I didnt know that these through bolts existed. All the downstairs handles now secured properly on the doors. A nice cheap fix for what has been a very annoying problem for ages.
Loved this, after 15 years of putting up with 'no wood' and dodgy fixes, i can finally fix all my handles once for all time with thru bolts. Thank You.
As always an interesting video. As a service engineer i have come across the same problem many times, usually caused by the joiner being in to much of a rush or just doesn't care as he will have left the site by the time it goes wrong. If you noticed the spindle, it's in upside down, the grub screw from the handle should when tightened open up the split in the spindle causing it to expand inside the handle so there's no pressure on those tiny little screws. Your idea with the bolts is a good solution.
Big thank you for this video Stuart, I spent a few quid on some through bolts and have fixed all my loose handles. Everything feels rock solid thanks to your handy guide. Looking forward to Sunday's video. Best wishes.
Turn that split spindle round so the grub screw in the handle goes into the split and spreads it apart . making the handle more sturdy and an extra fail safe if screws ever come loose again
Good stuff. Here in Australia, most door handle sets come with through bolts which makes things so much easier. Having said that, with continual use they will start to come loose but nowhere near as quickly as just screws and, of course are so much easier to tighten.
Perfect timing with this. My mate moved into a house just under a year ago, and most of the door handles have started to come loose already. Never had these problems years ago with proper wooden doors and decent handles
Always wondered what they were for. They're still sitting in a box out the back in the workshop somewhere, 11 years after I fitted all the door handles downstairs- which are mostly loose. That'll be my chore now for Stephen's Day before heading for the high stool.😉Great vid, many thanks.
Very useful, thanks. In our 1960s house the door handles had been ‘sorted’ several times, a variety of screws and screw sizes used, and the hardboard (not ‘timber’) door surface had got nothing left. I drilled out the screw positions and glued in hardwood doweling right through the door. Worked a treat. And if you want a decent smooth ‘feel’ to the latch, lightly lubricate inside the latch with a small amount of grease before you put the latch-mechanism into the door - it makes the world of difference to using the door mechanism and lasts for years.
Love the slight smile of satisfaction on your face when you give it a good wiggle after. That lovely feeling you get when you fix something. Lovely music room too.
Fitted hundreds of doors as im a carpenter but i have found the best handles and latches are now jig tech ones. Only five minutes to fit the handles and latch and really good quality too.
I had the same problem in some student accommodation a couple of years ago and used the same method, I went to B&Q and asked at the trade counter and was given just that solution. I have just been told I am to replace 5 doors in our bungalow starting with the toilet door and will use this method. Doing more work now I'm retired and the list gets longer daily😁😁
Like i said, youtube makers of vids should never assume a video is too dumb to make, as you will have helped out many with this video. Like you said at end, its something most of us would not of noticed until you pointed it out, and why those holes are there on the latch.
My landlord tells me my wall is something called plaster and lath, and so I have to find the studs and then put up my pull up bar without damaging anything. Not even sure where to start, so came looking and found your great channel!
I wondered what those bolts were used for 😮. Somehow I acquired a number of those through bolts, and NOW, after watching your well explained and demonstrated video, I know my next task (to add to the list) 😉. Thank you so much 💓
I would have added some blue threadlock. Most handle and lock I use in Canada have the thru-bolt type. They tend to get loose with time (after a few years). The simple motion of using the handle create a microscopic mouvement of the bolt. But with time, the effect is cumulative. When you have enough play... The movement unscrewing the bolt get a lot worse. A small amount of blue threadlock will stop the movement at the start. If you really don't want it to move, red threadlock. But you will need to drill the bollt head on one side to get it out!
After years of watching all your videos this is actually the first one I tried and managed to do at home myself. But it was shocking how bad aligned the handles were compared to the latch.
Great timing Stuart. My husband pulled off a handle and I need to fix it back becos he’s absolutely clueless at DIY. And I was thinking I need to cut some wood to fill the loosen holes. Shall give this through bolt a try. Merry Christmas 🎄.
Another great video on what we all come across in our lifetime of DIY how I cured mine was combining two of the individual methods you mentioned.. I actually used doubled matchsticks WITH the apoxy glue and it works brilliantly 😉
I've got this all over my house and i did actually have a load of through bolts that came with the handles, never thought to check if the latches accepted them. Job for the new year!
I watched this wondering what you would do. Glad to hear it is what I have always used. Not because I thought about it on my own, but because all the handles I have brought from Wickes come with them. I have found other handles don't and have always replaced screws they come with, with through bolts. It all comes from the fact most doors are hollow these days and normal screws are not suitable.
Great explananation, as usual Stuart. Our house full of loose handles does indeed have locks that support through-bolts, so that will keep me busy between now and New Year. Nice one! 👍
Very informative video. I tried first 2 methods but within 1 became loose. Today, I learnt third method which I will do it at my friend's house. Thank you Stuart. God bless you. With best wishes from Leicester. Ahmed
Also the grub screw is designed to go into any slot in the through rod so it pressures it onto the handle(you assembled yours 90 degrees out). Ideally line that bolt up central and tighten one side first, and use loctite on them as they always work loose, otherwise if the bolt is already too short it can be pushed too far over so one side barely has a grip. I worked in an outdoors centre on maintenance and the previous maintenance staff didn't have a clue how to do this properly in a high traffic environment with hundreds of kids yanking at the handles daily.... nearly all were held on just with the screws, none had through bolts and nearly all had missing grub screws, then they bodged them by removing the handles and screwing 1/4" ply to the door and doing the same mistake on top of that!!!
Great vid for your viewers . Most handles come with the bolt thru fixings and the screws as a back up measure looking at your door and still having pencil lines on it shows how rough the joiner was who fitted them was I've been a joiner 22 years now and seen some rough joinery work usually when I'm having to put there work right but you've done the job properly top vid keep up the good work look forward to seeing more on the garden and shed series in 2025 😁
Very good video, i will do this, but also i have retained the handles & have removed the latch & fitted a ball type, we all know the lach fails as well & locks you in !
I have the same problem, fixed it temporarily with your match stick fix, didn’t know about the through bolts, but I do now, thanks for the tip, muck appreciated.
How mad is that! Ive only just repaired our downstairs doors using a wooden kebab skewer in the screw hole, snapping off the excess once done up tight. When (not if) these go again I will get some through bolts 😎👍🏻 Thanks again.
Those through bolts are a great idea. I found a more permanent solution to the loose door handles, get my daughter to move out into a place of her own 😂
I had the exact same problem last week. I went for a thicker wood screw size, same head diameter. I then used a matchstick to apply exterior grade wood glue into the hole prior to screwing it home once it became tacky. I decided to use exterior grade because it will be more durable in the long term. I shall not have this problem again. It was a very fast fix.😁
Merry Christmas Stuart. Thanks for the video. Our doors already have through bolts, which makes me appreciate Japanese carpenters even more. Just one minor point, I noticed that you just replaced the screws through the brass plate. I like to unscrew it a turn until I feel the screw threads engage their previous grooves. That way they don't chew up the wood and eventually strip out the threads. I shouldn't have to make repairs like this, but I sometimes have to lubricate a squeaky door handle. Thanks for everything you do.
Exactly the technique I have applied to my doors, which are basically cardboard and haven't got a ghost of a chance of holding onto my handles. I can't now remember the last time I needed to faff about with door handles.
Our new build had these bolts as standard - they're great. But the grub allen screws under the handle keep coming loose. One tip is to use thread sealer on those to keep them from unscrewing themselves.
Man this explains the problem with my handles, just checked them and the spare handle box that was left over it has through bolts in for the other door as welland having checked the manufactures site the handles came with them. The lazy carpenter I used was lazy and just used wood screws
My temp fix is a lot of gaffer tape holding the door handle in place which has been working fine for the last 6 months but now I know I need a through bolt latch & some through bolts I'll be sorting that out after xmas!
Great video Stuart. On this side of the pond, most brands of knobs come with "through bolts" However as an old DIYer, I have almost always heard them called sex bolts.
Great helpful video cheers. 👍 I've always used the matchsticks and more recently discovered that drilling a larger hole and stuffing it with toilet paper soaked with super glue, leaving it cure for several hours then re drilling a slightly smaller hole and refitting works very well. I'd guess eventually they'll get loose again but after a couple of years of daily use they are still solid Also used the toilet paper for repairing loose hinges. Sounds stupid I know but works well
Most lever on rose handles come with through bolts, they're just a faff to fit so joiners don't bother. I use jigtech these days, which have the bolts designed in. Oh, and clean off your pencil marks if you want to stay friends with the decorators!
When i did the ones in my house i used plastic drinking straws through the holes so the bit with the threads on didnt drop down much. A lot easier to line them up. Then just snip the end of the straw off and leave it in the door with the screws. I only did this due to having crappy old corrugated council doors that are about 900 years old lol
I noticed that, but assumed it had been done prior to the video to speed things up in marking the new holes. Shoddy if not, especially if the doors have had any coatings applied.
@ he says later in the vid the previous chippy had left the pencil mark. If they do things like that on visible areas I dread to think what’s been left in the hidden ones
We have these through bolts in Australia, they come standard with many latch kits, sadly they too come loose with time, some locktite or something is required.
Never seen through-bolts but I fixed my doors handles with a long thin blot and a small nut. Have the cut end of the bolt towards less visible side of the door, round it over and it worked. Guess I'm going to look for through-bolts now.
Thanks Stuart, a very timely video a few days before Christmas get togethers, I can see the queues is Screwfix & Toolstation already building up this morning ! I first saw these on Andy Macs channel, as you say they are a game changer, there are also some quality cylinder catches at Toolstation that have a fluted catch that is good for resisting twisting which can make it wear and stick over time ! Merry Christmas, and thanks for all the great content this year !
They can be hard to come by I worked before retirement in the ironmongery department of a builders merchant When our maintainence guys wanted some they had to buy 50 online None of our suppliers did them
Those through bolts are certainly good but I have often found it an absolute nightmare getting them to meet up inside as you're wanting to screw them together. Another thing, when a tubular latch fails, as the cheap ones often do, when you take the old one out you'll often find a nasty black powder comes out which I presume is effectively iron filings - and it can make a horrible mess on a light-coloured carpet - so be prepared and put something down to catch it!
I didnt know that these through bolts existed. All the downstairs handles now secured properly on the doors. A nice cheap fix for what has been a very annoying problem for ages.
Loved this, after 15 years of putting up with 'no wood' and dodgy fixes, i can finally fix all my handles once for all time with thru bolts. Thank You.
As always an interesting video. As a service engineer i have come across the same problem many times, usually caused by the joiner being in to much of a rush or just doesn't care as he will have left the site by the time it goes wrong. If you noticed the spindle, it's in upside down, the grub screw from the handle should when tightened open up the split in the spindle causing it to expand inside the handle so there's no pressure on those tiny little screws. Your idea with the bolts is a good solution.
Big thank you for this video Stuart, I spent a few quid on some through bolts and have fixed all my loose handles. Everything feels rock solid thanks to your handy guide. Looking forward to Sunday's video. Best wishes.
Great video, as always. Am I the only one that was waiting for the pencil line to be rubbed off as well?
No! 🤣
yes still waiting .....
Been varnished = have a few here
I’m a pretty competent DIY person and didn’t know this at all. V useful, Stuart.
Very helpful for the uninitiated and young families, thank you!
Great video as always.
Actually never seen door handles with screws, only ever seen through bolts in New Zealand
Turn that split spindle round so the grub screw in the handle goes into the split and spreads it apart . making the handle more sturdy and an extra fail safe if screws ever come loose again
Yeah, @ 9.50
Good stuff. Here in Australia, most door handle sets come with through bolts which makes things so much easier. Having said that, with continual use they will start to come loose but nowhere near as quickly as just screws and, of course are so much easier to tighten.
Same here in the States. I suggest Loctite, or other brand of thread lock anaerobic adhesive, to keep the through-bolts from loosening.
Perfect timing with this. My mate moved into a house just under a year ago, and most of the door handles have started to come loose already.
Never had these problems years ago with proper wooden doors and decent handles
Always wondered what they were for. They're still sitting in a box out the back in the workshop somewhere, 11 years after I fitted all the door handles downstairs- which are mostly loose. That'll be my chore now for Stephen's Day before heading for the high stool.😉Great vid, many thanks.
Very useful, thanks. In our 1960s house the door handles had been ‘sorted’ several times, a variety of screws and screw sizes used, and the hardboard (not ‘timber’) door surface had got nothing left. I drilled out the screw positions and glued in hardwood doweling right through the door. Worked a treat. And if you want a decent smooth ‘feel’ to the latch, lightly lubricate inside the latch with a small amount of grease before you put the latch-mechanism into the door - it makes the world of difference to using the door mechanism and lasts for years.
Great information! I have not known about through bolts!
Now l know, thank you. Have tried the match stick method and as you say it doesn't last. So now l will use this method. 👍
I'd be tempted to add a bit of blue threadlocker.
Agreed. I find through bolts can still work loose without it
@@dpryce9801 Yes, it tend to do so.
It’s like you’ve been round my house and done a list of all the stuff I need to do!!! 😂👍
Love the slight smile of satisfaction on your face when you give it a good wiggle after. That lovely feeling you get when you fix something. Lovely music room too.
Love a bit of proper diy on a Sunday morning.
I'm 70+ always done all my DIY but haven't come across this solution before thanks .
Fitted hundreds of doors as im a carpenter but i have found the best handles and latches are now jig tech ones. Only five minutes to fit the handles and latch and really good quality too.
I had the same problem in some student accommodation a couple of years ago and used the same method, I went to B&Q and asked at the trade counter and was given just that solution. I have just been told I am to replace 5 doors in our bungalow starting with the toilet door and will use this method. Doing more work now I'm retired and the list gets longer daily😁😁
Excellent video. I had never heard of or seen through bolts before. Already ordered myself some [there are three wobbly door handles in my home !]
Like i said, youtube makers of vids should never assume a video is too dumb to make, as you will have helped out many with this video.
Like you said at end, its something most of us would not of noticed until you pointed it out, and why those holes are there on the latch.
My landlord tells me my wall is something called plaster and lath, and so I have to find the studs and then put up my pull up bar without damaging anything. Not even sure where to start, so came looking and found your great channel!
I see that even some lock and latch sets have holes for through bolts for when you want a separate handle and keyhole. Useful!
I wondered what those bolts were used for 😮. Somehow I acquired a number of those through bolts, and NOW, after watching your well explained and demonstrated video, I know my next task (to add to the list) 😉.
Thank you so much 💓
I would have added some blue threadlock. Most handle and lock I use in Canada have the thru-bolt type. They tend to get loose with time (after a few years). The simple motion of using the handle create a microscopic mouvement of the bolt. But with time, the effect is cumulative. When you have enough play... The movement unscrewing the bolt get a lot worse. A small amount of blue threadlock will stop the movement at the start. If you really don't want it to move, red threadlock. But you will need to drill the bollt head on one side to get it out!
After years of watching all your videos this is actually the first one I tried and managed to do at home myself. But it was shocking how bad aligned the handles were compared to the latch.
Great timing Stuart. My husband pulled off a handle and I need to fix it back becos he’s absolutely clueless at DIY. And I was thinking I need to cut some wood to fill the loosen holes. Shall give this through bolt a try. Merry Christmas 🎄.
Another great video on what we all come across in our lifetime of DIY how I cured mine was combining two of the individual methods you mentioned.. I actually used doubled matchsticks WITH the apoxy glue and it works brilliantly 😉
Beautifully explained as always. Sort of job where you need at least 3 hands!! Brass faceplate looks great on an oak door.
I've got this all over my house and i did actually have a load of through bolts that came with the handles, never thought to check if the latches accepted them. Job for the new year!
Excellent video as always, very useful info. Keep up the great work.
I watched this wondering what you would do. Glad to hear it is what I have always used. Not because I thought about it on my own, but because all the handles I have brought from Wickes come with them. I have found other handles don't and have always replaced screws they come with, with through bolts.
It all comes from the fact most doors are hollow these days and normal screws are not suitable.
When I started working 40+years ago the Carpenter always used them on door handle & I still do
Another good share. I hope you and yours have a good holiday season.
Great explananation, as usual Stuart. Our house full of loose handles does indeed have locks that support through-bolts, so that will keep me busy between now and New Year. Nice one! 👍
Very informative video.
I tried first 2 methods but within 1 became loose.
Today, I learnt third method which I will do it at my friend's house.
Thank you Stuart.
God bless you.
With best wishes from Leicester.
Ahmed
I’ve been using this method for years. The through bolts do eventually loosen up. Now I’m adding a drop of thread lock to keep them tight even longer
Also the grub screw is designed to go into any slot in the through rod so it pressures it onto the handle(you assembled yours 90 degrees out). Ideally line that bolt up central and tighten one side first, and use loctite on them as they always work loose, otherwise if the bolt is already too short it can be pushed too far over so one side barely has a grip. I worked in an outdoors centre on maintenance and the previous maintenance staff didn't have a clue how to do this properly in a high traffic environment with hundreds of kids yanking at the handles daily.... nearly all were held on just with the screws, none had through bolts and nearly all had missing grub screws, then they bodged them by removing the handles and screwing 1/4" ply to the door and doing the same mistake on top of that!!!
Great video as always, Stuart - thanks! What do you fo about one-sided handles like for airing cupboards and other similar spaces.
Great vid for your viewers . Most handles come with the bolt thru fixings and the screws as a back up measure looking at your door and still having pencil lines on it shows how rough the joiner was who fitted them was I've been a joiner 22 years now and seen some rough joinery work usually when I'm having to put there work right but you've done the job properly top vid keep up the good work look forward to seeing more on the garden and shed series in 2025 😁
I have used the toothpick method. I find it helpful to put wood glue in the hole/on the toothpick to give it some extra strength
Very good video, i will do this, but also i have retained the handles & have removed the latch & fitted a ball type, we all know the lach fails as well & locks you in !
Haha, great video Stu. Lost track of how many times I’ve used matchsticks to tighten up doorknobs. Love this new thing! Have a great Christmas ❤
Thanks Stuart, very useful. These should be the default really shouldn’t they.
Thanks Stuart. That's a DIY job even I can 'handle'..... 😫
I have the same problem, fixed it temporarily with your match stick fix, didn’t know about the through bolts, but I do now, thanks for the tip, muck appreciated.
Excellent, thank you
Perfect timing Stuart.
I've got apack of new knobs to fit, arriving today, to sort out that exact problem.
How mad is that! Ive only just repaired our downstairs doors using a wooden kebab skewer in the screw hole, snapping off the excess once done up tight. When (not if) these go again I will get some through bolts 😎👍🏻 Thanks again.
Those through bolts are a great idea. I found a more permanent solution to the loose door handles, get my daughter to move out into a place of her own 😂
LOL! Wife and I just put our fingers in our ears 🙂
I had the exact same problem last week. I went for a thicker wood screw size, same head diameter. I then used a matchstick to apply exterior grade wood glue into the hole prior to screwing it home once it became tacky. I decided to use exterior grade because it will be more durable in the long term. I shall not have this problem again.
It was a very fast fix.😁
Very good. This is standard on Swedish door handles.
Great video, very helpful. Congratulations on making 400k subs too! 😎
Merry Christmas Stuart. Thanks for the video. Our doors already have through bolts, which makes me appreciate Japanese carpenters even more.
Just one minor point, I noticed that you just replaced the screws through the brass plate. I like to unscrew it a turn until I feel the screw threads engage their previous grooves. That way they don't chew up the wood and eventually strip out the threads. I shouldn't have to make repairs like this, but I sometimes have to lubricate a squeaky door handle.
Thanks for everything you do.
You may have done this already but something on getting internal doors to latch and adjusing them would be a good follow up.
Handled that beautifully 👍🏻
Used these on several doors in the past they are great and very easy to fit
Brilliant Stuart , Thanks indeed for this video.
Exactly the technique I have applied to my doors, which are basically cardboard and haven't got a ghost of a chance of holding onto my handles. I can't now remember the last time I needed to faff about with door handles.
Half the time I know the solution don’t know what the fixings are called! Thanks for “through bolts”! 🎉
Make sure the spring latch is inserted the right way! :-) Merry Christmas Stuart.
Thanks for the video Stuart,wishing you and yours a Happy Christmas and NewYear.👍👍
Great tip I actually need this done in my house. But I've lived in houses with doors that are 50yo and while being somewhat clunky they worked fine.
Adding this to my playlist thanks!
Top info very well explained yet again . Thank you fella and have a great Christmas 👊
Our new build had these bolts as standard - they're great. But the grub allen screws under the handle keep coming loose. One tip is to use thread sealer on those to keep them from unscrewing themselves.
Man this explains the problem with my handles, just checked them and the spare handle box that was left over it has through bolts in for the other door as welland having checked the manufactures site the handles came with them. The lazy carpenter I used was lazy and just used wood screws
My temp fix is a lot of gaffer tape holding the door handle in place which has been working fine for the last 6 months but now I know I need a through bolt latch & some through bolts I'll be sorting that out after xmas!
Brilliant advice. I have the identical knobs and after 10 years they are starting to wobble. Through bolts it will be! 👍
To all those who say these still work loose At least you can retighten them Generally when screws go there's nothing left to tighten them into
Nice one Stuart and very timely in my case - thanks!
Great video Stuart. On this side of the pond, most brands of knobs come with "through bolts" However as an old DIYer, I have almost always heard them called sex bolts.
Great helpful video cheers. 👍
I've always used the matchsticks and more recently discovered that drilling a larger hole and stuffing it with toilet paper soaked with super glue, leaving it cure for several hours then re drilling a slightly smaller hole and refitting works very well.
I'd guess eventually they'll get loose again but after a couple of years of daily use they are still solid
Also used the toilet paper for repairing loose hinges. Sounds stupid I know but works well
Most lever on rose handles come with through bolts, they're just a faff to fit so joiners don't bother. I use jigtech these days, which have the bolts designed in. Oh, and clean off your pencil marks if you want to stay friends with the decorators!
Wooden golf tee's are perfect for filling holes in wood. Tap the pointed end in with a hammer...solid as a rock
Another informative video. Thank you.
I have, in the past, used small rawl plugs , which worked well. Don't have that problem now as have solid doors.
When i did the ones in my house i used plastic drinking straws through the holes so the bit with the threads on didnt drop down much. A lot easier to line them up. Then just snip the end of the straw off and leave it in the door with the screws. I only did this due to having crappy old corrugated council doors that are about 900 years old lol
That drinking straw tip sounds like a very good way of avoiding the problem I've had too!
@@murmansk69 Yep, not easy to line those up in a hollow door. Please pass on my wisdom to your children, their children and many generations lol
Sir, your D I Ys are always helpful! Thank you Merry Christmas No you all n families
Thanks for this; really useful
You could use some Loctite on the through bolts to stop them working loose. Not the permanent stuff obvs.
Such a helpful solution, thank you Stuart. HaPpY New Year 🎉
Nice piano.
Proper Piano, new channel coming soon ?
Only a few years old and pencil marks still left on the door just sums up the shoddy workmanship you get on new builds these days
I noticed that, but assumed it had been done prior to the video to speed things up in marking the new holes. Shoddy if not, especially if the doors have had any coatings applied.
@ he says later in the vid the previous chippy had left the pencil mark. If they do things like that on visible areas I dread to think what’s been left in the hidden ones
My house is 6 years old, no problems, great workmanship and no pencil marks.
I was just coming to make a similar point, given the amount of remediation he's had to do since the housewarming built.
I also spotted that straight away!
Excellent video thank you Stuart 👍👍
Awesome videos mate thanks so much, you have the same doors and latches as my mums house, and she has the same problem! 👍🏻
Brilliant ! Thank you.
Great information, have a Merry Christmas 🎄
We have these through bolts in Australia, they come standard with many latch kits, sadly they too come loose with time, some locktite or something is required.
Hi Stuart Wanna wish you and your family a Very Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year See u at Makers Central all the best Mark.
informative as always, nice one sir.
Great tip, always the simple things 👍🏻
Never seen through-bolts but I fixed my doors handles with a long thin blot and a small nut. Have the cut end of the bolt towards less visible side of the door, round it over and it worked. Guess I'm going to look for through-bolts now.
Thanks Stuart, a very timely video a few days before Christmas get togethers, I can see the queues is Screwfix & Toolstation already building up this morning ! I first saw these on Andy Macs channel, as you say they are a game changer, there are also some quality cylinder catches at Toolstation that have a fluted catch that is good for resisting twisting which can make it wear and stick over time !
Merry Christmas, and thanks for all the great content this year !
The weird thing is, Toolstation, Screwfix, B&Q or Wickes don't sell these. Don't know why.
They can be hard to come by I worked before retirement in the ironmongery department of a builders merchant When our maintainence guys wanted some they had to buy 50 online None of our suppliers did them
Great video Stuart !! thanks
8:48 - It doesn't need to be bigger than the _head_ of the nut, though just the "collet" part of the nut.
Those through bolts are certainly good but I have often found it an absolute nightmare getting them to meet up inside as you're wanting to screw them together. Another thing, when a tubular latch fails, as the cheap ones often do, when you take the old one out you'll often find a nasty black powder comes out which I presume is effectively iron filings - and it can make a horrible mess on a light-coloured carpet - so be prepared and put something down to catch it!