Thanks. I like the concept of these videos. Some suggestions for improvement though: - You barely spend any time on the most important comparisons: functionality and safety. Not even one screw was screwed in. - Video is too long. 10 minutes would have been enough by being more concise. - Include prices.
I love these clone vs. real deal comparison videos. Recently, I've started to see some clones of the Wera tool check sets popping up on AliExpress and Amazon. I'd love to see them put head to head with the original!
Been using the original Felo ESmart with the old metal transport case (so bought back in 2006) and we are now in 2022 and still today they are top notch after tons of computers, electrical cabinets and appliances disassembled. No damage on the tips other than normal descoloration from the use where some show the metal under the black coating. Transport box have some scratches and scuffs but still holding together as like new.
Would like to see you check out some of the Orbis German tools on Amazon, I received a 3 piece earlier this week and so far I'm impressed. Was looking on Amazon this morning and a bunch of them were avalible as singles for less then $5, I bought all of them that were really cheap and now later today many of therm are priced between $30-$40 each.
R'Deer is a brand I've seen sold at my local electronics store and it's no surprise that they carry R'Deer products as the business is owned by Hong Kong Chinese people. Neat idea for a new series.
When I watched you pop the Chinese insert out, I thought of being up on a tower or roof and watching that insert plummet to earth. By the way, I think a small pinpoint flashlight would help show the inside of some of these gadgets.
Its fine for the north America market, as almost all the electricians there use bare metal aka non vde screwdrivers etc, as standard, checkout mikes tool shed, amongst others,
I need to go ahead and buy the test specification one of these days to know what the actual acceptable voltage and current profiles are. Usually when you high pot you are not just testing for arcs but for leakage across insulation, which is usually in the microamp range.
With technology being so advanced in just the last 10 years with 3d printing and then consumerism being a target. Even if patents have been expired for years you just now maybe seeing a big influx with clones or knock off products being made with the ease of reproduction its quite interesting from a engineering point of view but just a mess from the legal side of things with company's and people doing what they do when rights are infringed on. Such a shame because so much is being held back from us due to those things.
Any idea what Felo’s target market is? I bought one of their ratchet sets and thought that the sockets were nice but that the ratchet and case were merely OK.
I think they have always been more of a "handyman" type of tool, which is why their prices are generally lower than many other tools made in Germany. They don't make any sockets other than for 1/4" drive so that should tell you they really aren't targeting the automotive market. I have always had good luck with their screwdriver lines.
I'm curious if this Set is actually VDE (Verband der Elektrotechnik) approved or is it just printed on the case and the tools. There are many cheap screwdrivers that actually has been approved and are allowed to use the VDE Logo, not sure about this chinese stuff tho... I know I'd much rather buy a cheap set of screwdrivers that was actually VDE-Approved than buying this chinese set
I have the Wera ones and I absolutely love them. Had them for a few years now and they get used every day. Still holding up like brand new. I just don't understand and never will understand why people would get the knock offs? They could be putting their lives at risk.
Well it's not ideal for sure but if there is an electrical job that you absolutely must do and you can't afford the real deal it's still better to use the knock off vde than using a standard screwdriver at least it gives you some degree of protections
There are two problems. First off high cost of some tools. Secondly a culture that steals all designs and what not. Then markets it really cheap. Some of the cost needs to come down on good stuff. I would rather buy quality but the odd time price in our economic world just kills me and I go a bit cheaper. China the rip off capital of the world. And how do we know this ripoff stuff will even meet voltage specs that it says. Reputable companies with certifications have tested the stuff.
VDE is a compliance testing agency in Asia, similar to UL for the US, or TÜV for Europe. Insulated screwdrivers like these have to be certified by those types of agencies.
Your grasping at straws, i.e. nitpicking... that cheaper set might save someone's life. Nothing is guaranteed 100%!..it's 50% human knowledge combined with 50% mechanical engineering that brings you home safe at the end of the day.
Do you watch AvE? If not make sure you start, you do an excellent job on your videos.......it would help I think if you kinda mixed in a little bit of stories, jokes, experience, humor, nonsense or whatever..... it would kinda break it up so your not so monotone if that makes sense..... FYI, I’m not giving ya shit, just want to see you get to the next level and grow.... you have a lot of potential!
Good Idea: Buying insulated tools to protect you incase the worst happens. Bad Idea: Buying cheap bootleg china tools to protect you incase the worst happens. Who's buying these?!
I don't understand how somebody who knows they need a VDE screwdriver would then go any buy the cheapest piece of shit VDE screwdriver they can find.... I know I need this insulated screwdriver to work around high voltage but I want to get the shitty cheap thing from a brand I never heard of and then shove that into a 600 volt terminal and hope for the best!
Thanks. I like the concept of these videos. Some suggestions for improvement though:
- You barely spend any time on the most important comparisons: functionality and safety. Not even one screw was screwed in.
- Video is too long. 10 minutes would have been enough by being more concise.
- Include prices.
I love these clone vs. real deal comparison videos. Recently, I've started to see some clones of the Wera tool check sets popping up on AliExpress and Amazon. I'd love to see them put head to head with the original!
Deer is a Chinese tool manufacturer that's been around for a long time.
Their axes and hatchets are common to find and are likely from the 70's.
Been using the original Felo ESmart with the old metal transport case (so bought back in 2006) and we are now in 2022 and still today they are top notch after tons of computers, electrical cabinets and appliances disassembled.
No damage on the tips other than normal descoloration from the use where some show the metal under the black coating.
Transport box have some scratches and scuffs but still holding together as like new.
Thank for the addiction GTR to quality German made tools.
Appreciating your videos here down under in Australia keep up the good work.
Would like to see you check out some of the Orbis German tools on Amazon, I received a 3 piece earlier this week and so far I'm impressed. Was looking on Amazon this morning and a bunch of them were avalible as singles for less then $5, I bought all of them that were really cheap and now later today many of therm are priced between $30-$40 each.
R'Deer is a brand I've seen sold at my local electronics store and it's no surprise that they carry R'Deer products as the business is owned by Hong Kong Chinese people.
Neat idea for a new series.
notice the hipot warning. That is the get out of jail card when you get electrocuted working on a 240v circuit.
I bought the same set from Wurth, @ 45 eur, and it has a metal case.
Even though I live in Hong Kong, I've never heard of that R'Deer company. I've also never seen them being sold locally in stores.
Well Chinese Clone always cheap and substandard........if using VDE tool better stick with good quality European/US/Japanese tools
When I watched you pop the Chinese insert out, I thought of being up on a tower or roof and watching that insert plummet to earth.
By the way, I think a small pinpoint flashlight would help show the inside of some of these gadgets.
Its fine for the north America market, as almost all the electricians there use bare metal aka non vde screwdrivers etc, as standard, checkout mikes tool shed, amongst others,
Can you please do a review on the knipex model 98 62 01 plastic insulated pliers?
I have seen these and would like to get them at some point. I heard these are really good for working in very cold temperatures (like -30C).
I look forward to your hipot test. I’d have a really hard time trusting my life to the R Deer set.
I need to go ahead and buy the test specification one of these days to know what the actual acceptable voltage and current profiles are. Usually when you high pot you are not just testing for arcs but for leakage across insulation, which is usually in the microamp range.
hipot tester don`t you have one, I thought everyone did ! WTF
Recently discovered German tools and your channel. Hope you are doing well.
Awesome video, love the channel 👍
Chores at home done, GTR upload new video.
Great timing 👍🏻
With technology being so advanced in just the last 10 years with 3d printing and then consumerism being a target. Even if patents have been expired for years you just now maybe seeing a big influx with clones or knock off products being made with the ease of reproduction its quite interesting from a engineering point of view but just a mess from the legal side of things with company's and people doing what they do when rights are infringed on. Such a shame because so much is being held back from us due to those things.
Amazon also has a ton of clone VDE pliers that look like the knipex model.
飞龙这套绝缘螺丝刀设计非常特别。
how is the smell on the copy.
Siegfried Ammer My money is on the smell of ‘Harbor Freight’
Not as bad as I would have thought.
Worst case, come from the same location.
Any idea what Felo’s target market is? I bought one of their ratchet sets and thought that the sockets were nice but that the ratchet and case were merely OK.
I think they have always been more of a "handyman" type of tool, which is why their prices are generally lower than many other tools made in Germany. They don't make any sockets other than for 1/4" drive so that should tell you they really aren't targeting the automotive market. I have always had good luck with their screwdriver lines.
It would be illegal in california if it ejects on its own energy past an inch from the handle.
Thank you for your comments it’s help me to decide which one i can buy 👍
Sad part is you can find the authentic filo product 4 pretty the same price..if you look around. .
Yes you are right but a little tough?
I'm curious if this Set is actually VDE (Verband der Elektrotechnik) approved or is it just printed on the case and the tools.
There are many cheap screwdrivers that actually has been approved and are allowed to use the VDE Logo, not sure about this chinese stuff tho...
I know I'd much rather buy a cheap set of screwdrivers that was actually VDE-Approved than buying this chinese set
ofc not :D they just print the logos on it. Common for chinese electronics. Same for LEDs and stuff
Like the video's of clones but your observation about it being a weapon is delusional.
I have the Wera ones and I absolutely love them. Had them for a few years now and they get used every day. Still holding up like brand new.
I just don't understand and never will understand why people would get the knock offs? They could be putting their lives at risk.
Yeah especially for the VDE stuff. There are some Chinese tools that have real VDE certs but I couldn't find one for this company.
Well it's not ideal for sure but if there is an electrical job that you absolutely must do and you can't afford the real deal it's still better to use the knock off vde than using a standard screwdriver at least it gives you some degree of protections
What do you do for work mate?
a veeerryyy bias review ;)
Chinese can not even copy German products..... greatings from Germany
ballistic screwdriver!
There are two problems. First off high cost of some tools. Secondly a culture that steals all designs and what not. Then markets it really cheap. Some of the cost needs to come down on good stuff. I would rather buy quality but the odd time price in our economic world just kills me and I go a bit cheaper.
China the rip off capital of the world.
And how do we know this ripoff stuff will even meet voltage specs that it says. Reputable companies with certifications have tested the stuff.
nice
No es ningun clon, el mango del chino no dice Felo, en la caja tampoco dice el nombre Felo. Un clon seria una copia exacta, en este caso no lo es.
VDE 9913 was a Norm for contact lenses.
VDE is a compliance testing agency in Asia, similar to UL for the US, or TÜV for Europe. Insulated screwdrivers like these have to be certified by those types of agencies.
VDE Verein deutscher Elektotechniker en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDE_e.V.
Never try to "save a few bucks" when working with high voltage!
You invested more in tools that you can buy new BMW M4 basically
Your grasping at straws, i.e. nitpicking... that cheaper set might save someone's life. Nothing is guaranteed 100%!..it's 50% human knowledge combined with 50% mechanical engineering that brings you home safe at the end of the day.
seems you've missed the point of the channel
Do you watch AvE? If not make sure you start, you do an excellent job on your videos.......it would help I think if you kinda mixed in a little bit of stories, jokes, experience, humor, nonsense or whatever..... it would kinda break it up so your not so monotone if that makes sense.....
FYI, I’m not giving ya shit, just want to see you get to the next level and grow.... you have a lot of potential!
Good Idea: Buying insulated tools to protect you incase the worst happens.
Bad Idea: Buying cheap bootleg china tools to protect you incase the worst happens.
Who's buying these?!
I don't understand how somebody who knows they need a VDE screwdriver would then go any buy the cheapest piece of shit VDE screwdriver they can find.... I know I need this insulated screwdriver to work around high voltage but I want to get the shitty cheap thing from a brand I never heard of and then shove that into a 600 volt terminal and hope for the best!