Bright Guardian Akira I agree Silverstream going to sunning rocks was a bit of a reckless choice. But in Crookedstar’s promise many queens died. This minion detail just shows us that queens and kits usually don’t make it during birth. Fish could be a reason for this as it doesn’t give much energy and stregth. Idk thought I’d point it out.
I don’t exactly agree with the Silverstream manipulating Graystripe. She had definitely not meant to do that. This is greatly proven at the manga at the end of Crookedstar’s Promise Novella. Crookedstar gets defensive about his daughter when catching her with Graystripe, and Silverstream gets upset, telling Crookedstar, “ Graystripe is a great and worthy warrior. If the warrior code can’t deal with this, maybe the warrior code needs to change.” Silverstream definitely loved him and cared about him more than the code she is meant to follow.
This was my comment. I agree btw. : I'm not in love with this video, mostly because of the view on GrayxSilver. Yes, of course, Silverstream was beautiful but also had a beautiful personality. At the time she had many flaws and was still Naive, Young and dumb (Like her decision to leave camp to find grey stripe to kit) I doubt she just wanted manipulation since she was not smart or mean enough too that, plus grey stripe made the first move and if Silverstream wanted manipulations he would have known that she may have been able to win grey stripe over and she would have made the first move.
LunarLilacs Old comment, eh whatever. Silverstream even mentions Graystripe when talking to Firestar in Firestar’s Quest. I would quote it, but I don’t have the book with me.
Greystripe actually did feel really bad about killing Whiteclaw, and, I dont think Silverstream became mates with him to help Riverclan because she really did love him alot. Silverstream isnt the kind of cat to take advantage of others. Sorry about that just wanted to put in my opinion.
At the end of Crookedstars Promise in the manga, Silverstream says - “You’re obsessed with clan loyalty, if you could see beyond your nose, you’d realize...there’s a lot more to life than what we’ve got in one little clan. Graystripe is a great and worthy warrior. If the warrior code can’t deal with this..then maybe the warrior code needs to change. I know you’re worried because you love me, and I love you too, I’ll always be your daughter. But you have to let me choose my own future.” - Silverstream to Crookedstar. I think Silverstream truly loved Graystripe. I always thought Graystripe was a jerk in the first series (excluding Into the Wild) but after that, I thought he was a noble warrior. But I agree with you about him being a jerk to Fireheart, it was rude and disrespectful of Graystripe to do that to him.
i understand what you’re trying to say but, what silverstream said might’ve meant that she’s taking advantage of graystripe. however i really like this 😺 good point!
Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to believe Silverstream INTENTIONALLY tried making Graystripe disloyal for RiverClan's benefit. Its pretty clear that they did benefit, but that was a side effect and rather than a mastermind by Silverstream. As for what she did love about him- Silverstream does seem to like how silly and dorky Graystripe is, and this is a bit of speculation, but since she was the clan leader's daughter, it could be possible that RiverClan suitors her age treated her with special consideration because of it. Graystripe may have been one of the first cats to act more genuine and vulnerable around her. In Firestar's perspective it would seem as though Silverstream was using him, but I think its actually a bit of the other way around. Some speculation about Graystripe's own motives- Graystripe was heavily affected by accidentally murdering a RiverClan warrior. Its important to remember that he and Firestar were made warriors a bit early because of their bravery with Brokenstar, and they just got back from a secret mission that they were chosen for. Graystripe barely has time to process any of this before he's suddenly assigned an apprentice (and an underage one at that). This is a lot of responsibility that's thrust on Graystripe and Firestar all at once. There's a reason someone made the joke that Warriors could be called Worriers- Fireheart is an anxious mess. Personally if I was Graystripe and I was already grieving the fact that I just accidentally killed someone, my leader suddenly assigning me and underage apprentice- which is exactly what they chased Brokenstar off to begin with- just to make me feel better would really piss me off. Graystripe had to have been in a bitter mindset in some regard. I'd definitely feel better about him blowing off Brackenfur's training if he'd intentionally done it because he and Cinderpelt shouldn't have been apprenticed so early in the first place. Maybe this feeling is exasperated even more after Cinderpelt's injury. But anyway- about Silverstream. Now obviously Graystripe falls head-over-heels for this pretty buff she cat who saves his life, but I think there could have been more to it than that. In the books he seemingly forgets about his guilt, but I think if they had explored the concept of him being drawn to RiverClan because of it would have made his motivations more sympathetic. Not only does he not see anything wrong with his relationship with Silverstream, but he views their friendship as his way of making amends to RiverClan. The fact that this RiverClan cat seems to have forgiven him makes him feel more hopeful of ending hostilities between their Clans at large. This is part of the reason why he's so willing to help Silverstream feed RiverClan in secret. Firestar sees the difficulty of having torn loyalties in their first battle, but Graystripe stubbornly still believes their love could do no harm. Silverstream is probably convinced of this as well. He doesn't see anything wrong with what he's been doing until its too late. After Silverstream's death the old guilt wound is reopened again, because now he has caused the premature deaths of TWO RiverClan cats. He doesn't want to simply give his kits back, because that will mean he will have to fight them eventually, and he's tired of fighting RiverClan. (Although I do think the same thing will play out with him being unable to fight Firestar and being exiled for it.) Sidenote: I wish we'd get to see more of Mosspelt, Feathertail and Stormfur's foster mom. Additional tallies for IS GRAYSTRIPE BAD FRIEND? to consider: Good: 1 - Basically all of Into the Wild, he's a golden friend. Sticking up for his new friend against his old friends, eating two whole mice in a row to cover Firepaw from Tigerstar despite being completely full, helping Ravenpaw escape, helping Firepaw defeat Brokentail, etc. 2 - He supports Fireheart when he brings Cloudkit to ThunderClan. 3 - He graciously accepts not being deputy anymore (might be a no-brainer since it was nepotism for him to be appointed deputy in the first place but you know its better than what Mudclaw did) Bad: 1 - (Speculative: He was better friends with Sandstorm and Dustpelt before Rusty joined the clan, and although initially rejecting them for their treatment of Firestar was noble, he never seems to hang out with them much once Firestar has earned their respect) 2 - He doesn't believe Ravenpaw's story and brushes Fireheart off when he's still trying to figure it out. 3 - He's kind of a jerk about Millie being a kittypet at first even though his best friend was a kittypet??? Bonus - "I'm so proud of my daughter, Mistystar" dghakdsjghaksj Bramblestar's Storm was a MISTAKE
1. Graystripe killing whiteclaw was an accident 2. He actually was in a depressed state when he killed whiteclaw 3. He was with Firestar since day one and supported him and made him a hero
he literally stops doing his duties like teaching his apprentice just so he could see his girlfriend, I don't think it's bad for him to have fallen in love, but that doesn't justice his lack of judgment and reasonability
I don’t really call Graystripe a bad friend, but he does betray Thunderclan and Firestar. But Graystripe and Firestar are close friends for years, he did want to name Sparkpelt after Firestar. I do agree with you in this video and you do made a lot of good points.
I still like Greystripe. Yes he made mistakes, but that's the point. If he was perfect, what was the point? Not to mention, love is a very powerful thing. He changed a lot as a character and became considerably more loyal to ThunderClan as time went on, but at the same time, he was loyal to his kits. But can you blame him? At the end of the day, they're still his kits. I think he got better and better, and greystripe is just a fun guy
Why doesn't anyone say this about cats like Breezepelt or Ashfur? People (understandaly) hate them because they weren't perfect, and act as if they liked (e.g. Graystripe) because he isn't. No one likes Gray for his originality lol. I think the majority of the fandom just acts like well rounded characters with actual development matter to them.
I mean you do make a lot of points, but Silverstream being evil and using him? No, that doesn't make sense to me, especially when you see how she acts at the end of Crookedstar's promise. Gray is my all time favorite character, and something I love about him is that he's not perfect. Sure he acts like a jerky in Fire and Ice and Forest of Secrets. But he learns after that. He's young and let's face it, stupid at times. But that's what makes his character so great, I find him relatable and a funny, cute character. And the hole drama with Fireheart and their friendship just builds on their characters as a hole. It really shows how no matter what stuff your friends do or believe, they will always be there for you. I believe Gray was a great friend for Fireheart.
@Truaforever he doesn't necessarily do research, you can see that in the pregnancy rant video he made a week or so before this. He doesn't care about other opinions, he barely ever responds to people who are arguing against him. His points are incredibly flimsy in any video he's ranting in honestly.
@@hoarfrost_4458 Why should he reply to comments? He ranted, he made his point. If people are trying to argue, let them. I agree, though, that he does rant horribly. The one about Bumblestripe is my all time favourite; it's absolutely hilarious how he's trying to change every single millimeter of the story for it to fit into his stupit headcanons. But I agree with all his points in this video, and what's wrong with the pregnancy one?
I agree with you, really and Silverstream would never do that, as they did love each other, and Greystripe would NEVER give so his kits, so he left for Riverclan, while Firestar doesn't really care for him as much as Silversteam did, or ever will. Greystripe broke the warrior code TO BE HAPPY and in my opinion breaking the warrior code is bad at some times, but can save WHOLE CLANS and is used to punish certain cats. Brokenstar broke the warrior code and was corrupt because it was punishment for kicking Skyclan out. I think Firestar as the bad friend who wanted to see someone else suffer, and he had to tell everybody and ruin it, for Greystripe and his broken heart after Silverstream died. Firestar/Heart broke the code when he went to see his sister, Princess and took Cloudkit. Greystripe is trying to be happy. Firestar want the best for his clan and friends though. In summary, Greystripe could have been happy not having kits with Silverstream, and Firestar was being nosy about it, it could have ended differently if Firestar hadn't been such a jerk.
He was young and gullible. Once he realized his mistakes (after Silverstream died) he returns and makes a better cat from himself. I love Graystripe too much to say that he was a bad cat, because he isn’t
He’s not a bad cat but he’s not a bright one. He and Silverstream pretended like they couldn’t stop seeing each other when, in reality, they just didn’t want to stop seeing each other. Their mistakes led to Silverstream’s death. Graystripe understandably is upset and ultimately does the right thing by bringing his kits to their mother’s clan and going with them to raise them. BUT, a he betrays Riverclan and then ditches his kits for Fireheart and Thunderclan. I almost forgot to mention that Graystripe was a terrible mentor to Brakenfur. He rarely trained him and constantly left Fireheart with double mentoring duties. Graystripe has a good heart sure but he doesn’t have a brain behind those eyes.
Overall, a nice video - but I have one thing I really disagree with: That Silverstream was "manipulating" Graystripe for RiverClans profit. Sure, you could make the assumption that she does, because we always see her from Firestars/hearts perspective, but that would be it. From what we know Silverstream saved Graystripe when he was drowning, that's how they met after all! She absolutely had the choice to let him drown, but she chose to save him, which does show that she wasn't just acting the way the tensions expected of her. The cat she was saving was the singular cat that was responsible for her clanmates death, she had every reason to let him die. And it's no surprise that Graystripe was thankful afterwards, who wouldn't be? From what happens within their relationship we can see that she did care about him as well! They did have kits together, they kept meeting, even if we never get to read about any of them. And when Silverstream eventually died she kept watching over Graystripe in StarClan, as seen in the Mangas! Another thing we have to keep in mind is that both of them were just young adult cats, both just out of their apprenticeships! They wouldn't really have a picture of what their relationship would do to the clans yet!
"She absolutely had the choice to let him drown, but she chose to save him, which does show that she wasn't just acting the way the tensions expected of her. The cat she was saving was the singular cat that was responsible for her clanmates death, she had every reason to let him die." I think you should reread the books. It was revealed "RiverClan cats are not in the habit of letting drowning cats scare their prey away."
I agree. This was my comment: I'm not in love with this video, mostly because of the view on GrayxSilver. Yes, of course, Silverstream was beautiful but also had a beautiful personality. At the time she had many flaws and was still Naive, Young and dumb (Like her decision to leave camp to find grey stripe to kit) I doubt she just wanted manipulation since she was not smart or mean enough too that, plus grey stripe made the first move and if Silverstream wanted manipulations he would have known that she may have been able to win grey stripe over and she would have made the first move.
It is stated in the books that Riverclan cats don't like dead bodies poisoning the river. One of the Erins also stated that Silverstream only saved Graystripe for that reason.
Can you blame him for sacrificing his friendship and his loyalty for his kits survival? Having a mate is understandable but having kits means so much to a single cat. Gray stripe made the good choice to give everything up for his kits
No he really didnt. Warrior Cats is different from real life. And his kits survival in riverclan is very high. They wouldve protected the kits with their lives. And if he loved them that much he wouldve had thunderclan fight riverclan :/
@@ravem410 Causing deaths and unnecessary wounds for his clan mates for his kits? He is better off joining river clan than to quote unquote cause war crimes. He was there for his kits as a father. People with loving parents will never understand how not having their parents can mean to little children.
Graystripe was young, impulsive, hardheaded, and really didn't look where he lept a lot of the time. He never thought about what he was doing in detail, until he got the wakeup call he needed later on. He slowly got a hold of himself and became a proper formidable warrior, and even though he was still somewhat hardheaded and stubborn, he was willing to go out of his way to do what he believed in. Now more than ever, to the day Firestar died, I felt he became the friend that good old Rusty needed.
Reckless relationships rarely turn out well and can hurt both people involved, and those they know. It reflects very well in the series; while Graystripe's stubbornness was frustrating and unappealing, it's quite accurate and adds to his development over his silverstream arc pretty well. It shows how closed-minded he becomes, seeing SIlverstream and their relationship as perfect, and anyone who dares to interfere 'true love' is in the wrong.
To be honest, I never liked Silverstream and Greystripe together Like the two really loved each other but the development between their love is straight up baaad. They meet on one page then you flip the other page and they're already together? Hecking Millie had better development with Greystripe it took her way longer to actually fall for Greystripe, the two spent way longer together as mates but Greystripe is gonna straight up ditch her when he dies for a cat that was only alive for 2 and a half books in the main series smh.
@@CrazyBird-vw4qd these cats act more human then they do cats, I don't think regular cats go into battle for territory, train younger cats, have a understanding for medicine, create clans, go to gatherings etc. I'd like to point that out, they act very little like actual cats at all...plus I don't think anywhere else in the books you see a cat just meet someone else and instantly become mates :/
I kinda disagree with you, atleast in the part of silverstream, she really loved him and was a very open minded cat, wich is one of the reasons why she fell in love with Greystripe, she wasn't taking advantage of him, and yes their love really messed up a lot of things and stuff for both Greystripe and Silverstream, Silverstream couldn't hurt Greystripe's best friend since she didn't want to hurt the she loved, but besides that part i agree with you
Greystripe didn't kill Whiteclaw, Whiteclaw fell of off the cliff and he tried to save him and Leopardstar was the one to attack the Thunderclan cats near the gorge and Greystripe felt guilty about it and Firestar comforted him.
Tbh I want a map where it's about Graystripe, and not SilverxGray. I just want one about his life and his mistakes and stuff. Silverstream can still be in it, but I don't want silverxgray to be the main thing
So, the moral of the story is: "If your friend is a jerk to you, don't worry. They'll stop being toxic once their significant other dies or leaves the picture in any other way".
2:44 Graystripe: COME AT ME BRO whiteclaw: get away ,back off Graystripe:NO I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON MY SPIN TECHNIQUE *Whiteclaw falls off cliff into gorge* Graystripe:holy frick...
I personally don't think Silverstream had some evil alternative for her own needs. When Millie was on the verge on dying from illness, Silverstream begs for Millie to get better in StarClan so that Greystripe doesn't face anymore pain.
Maybe grey’stripe is a bad friend, but he is also a kind of hero in my eyes. And here is why……when greystripe met fire’star/rusty he told rusty about the life in the wild and sparked fire’star/rusty interest for the life in the woods.
*Sees title 2 years ago* Me two years ago: "OMG I DISAGREE" Me now, just re-finding this video: "Eh so many main characters break the code, I don't really get fazed when people say that."
Though Graystripe was a jerk,having kits saved the clans later on in The new prophecy. Feathertail and Stormfur went all that way,with Feathertail dying in the process to save Crowfeather and the tribe,giving Crowfeather a personality and letting Jayfeather,Lionblaze and Hollyleaf be born.
Norbert Alsotun Firestar and Graystripe,if Graystripe didn’t have feathertail Crowfeather wouldn’t have gained a personality that lead to Crowfeather mating with leafpool
I never liked that people would hate on Dovewing & for the most part be ok with Greystripe when they have similar situations, & at least she has been loyal as can be to her new clan.
4:50 silverstream also let fireheart go and ran off with no wounds because she didn’t want to hurt anyone Graystripe cared about so there’s no way she was just manipulating him
I believe Graystripe was bad friend in the first 4 books in the New Prophecy. He just completely ditched Firestar for Silverstream and lashed out on Firestar when he tried to help him. But in book 5, Graystripe redeemed himself :)
Ironically; after reading the novels again-it’s interesting to see that Graystripe’s and Silverstream’s tragic affair (alongside with the main protagonists feeding starving RiverClan) saved ThunderClan. After reveal that the ThunderClan was sheltering the old murderous tyrant Brokenstar, ShadowClan and WindClan swore they will not allow passage to them when returning home. RiverClan’s leader Crookedstar (Silverstream’s father so conflict of interest?) allowed ThunderClan to return home through their territories
Ok i'm pretty sure that Gray'stripe fell in love with Silver'stream cause of one cat: Maple'shade. I haven't read Crooked'stars promise but in the ultimate warriors guide it says on page 117 in the Cooked'star chapter "He was beginning to realize that he made a terrible promise that would leave him isolated in the midst of the clan, but Maple'shade wouldn't not release him." and then on page 118 it says "But Maple'shade reminded him of his promise he had made, and slowly Crooked'jaws worlds fell apart.' And on the last paragraph of Crooked'star is says "but his daughter fell in love with Gray'stripe, a Tc warrior. Thanks to Maple'shade, Crooked 'star achieved everything he had ever wanted, and lost everything important to him." So i don't think Silver'stream was "using" Gray'stripe. I think Maple'shade made Gray'stripe fall in the water so Silver'stream could save him, so they'll fell in love with each other. So no, Silver'stream probably did love Gray'stripe. And then there's the rest of the story. In the end, Maple'shade caused Crooked'stars life to fall apart, then Silver'stream and Gray'stripe fell in love. So we can all blame Maple'shade. But that's just a theory, a warriors theory. Oh and y does Silver'stream look like one of those mean girls? I mean i didn't think she was that bad. Right? oh and i love ur channel Akira.
I don't think it was maple that made him fall in the water. If you reread the scene, it was cinderpaw that ran out onto the frozen river. When greystripe tried to help her, the ice broke and he fell in. How would that work?
He completely blew off Brackenpaw's mentoring to slip away with Silverstream. I get love, but he completely ignored most if not all of his clan duties. I don't think Silverstream used him, but she's just as guilty. Both of them ignored all the consequences. Silverstream the most. When she's found to be pregnant, she simply shrugs her shoulders and says who cares. Her ignorance got herself killed. (Isn't she the only cat who's died in Childbirth?) I like to think Gray joined Riverclan because he felt guilty about Silver's death. Gray also does nothing as Millie mistreats Blossomfall. I can't say he's the best character, he's beginning to fit within the middle.
let’s be honest gray stripe has had it the worst he lost his mate, almost his kits, numerous friends, his leader, his BEST friend, and one of his kits can’t walk so
This shows that greystripe is not an perfect character He was nice but was always not perfect he broke the code. Hunting for riverclan. Staying with them. But he was an great father! And sure him being an jerk was not an good thing... but that once again means that he’s not perfect when he went back to ThunderClan he was an better version of himself I think he figured out he was doing something wrong and stopped being unloyal...that’s what I think! This is why greystripe is my favorite character and needs more love in the fandom!
SilverStream was not using Greystripe. It is stated in Crookedstars promise that Crookedstar did not know about the meetings and could not stop her from doing so when he found out. She says that she loves Greystripe and Crookedstar could do nothing about it. Crookedstar doesn’t try to and allows his last surviving kit do what her heart desires.
I've been so busy these last few months, but this video worked like clipbait on me so here I am with my opinion. Graystripe was a terrible friend, but only in certain books. He presumably learned his lesson, but it was not handled correctly. As you said in Fire and Ice, he was plain horrible towards Fireheart. Not only that, he abandoned his apprentice to be trained by him. That's the one behavior that makes him cross the line from naive to selfish for me. Fireheart even thinks that Brackenpaw will be held back because of his mentor's absence. This is also not totally Graystripe's fault, but I feel it important to mention. When Cinderpaw got run over by the ThunderPath, the camp was so busy that Fireheart had to leave his apprentice alone with basically no one to get some herbs. Because of this, Cinderpaw ran off and got hurt. In an AU where Graystripe was not in love with Silverstream, Cinderpaw might not have gotten mauled. But this might have all been okay, but he'd learned his lesson at the end. And you could say he does. Silverstream is almost killed and Fireheart has to risk being called a traitor to save her. He starts to realize it might be a bad idea at this time, but all he really does it be more secretive. It doesn't cause him to change his behavior. Fireheart is the one that just stops caring. And when Silverstream dies the problem is that it has nothing to do with Graystripe's behavior. If Graystripe had been a RiverClan cat, pretty much the same thing would have happened. It is an unforeseen consequence, not a direct punishment, which Graystripe NEVER gets. He is allowed to go to RiverClan and come back with minimal resistance. This is why I've grown to hate Graystripe in the original series.
It was pointed out in the exclusive manga of Crookedstar's promise that Silverstream did love Graystripe, even though the idea of Silverstream manipulate Graystripe it would have been an interesting plot!
I think that you are right greystripe was distracted with silverstream but when she died and he was exiled from Riverclan he got better! Great videos. Keep up the good work!
@@catlady307 truth revealed:graystripe was meant to be the fourth cat but the mountain cats said "no ew your too old plus you arent related to firestar" so they chose firestar instead
I love Graystripe and agree with this whole vid. I love your vids and watch a lot of them per day. Keep up the amazing work, I think everyone can agree on that.
Just posting this random comment because I’m early YAY FINALLY Edit: The description says that “Graystripe made several mistakes” except it was spelled “Graysrtipe made several mistakes”. What is convenient is he made a mistake in the sentence that’s talking about Graystripe’s mistake :p
I don’t think silverstream was trying to manipulate Graystripe. When Firestar gets one of his 9 lives from her, he asks her if he should take a message to Graystripe. He says that her eyes showed pain and sorrow. I think that is proof enough that Silverstream truly loved him. And if Silverstream was helping Riverclan, why allow Fireheart to ask Graypool and Mistyfoor about Oakheart’s death and Mistyfoot and Stonefurs true clan. She would have no reason to help him unless she truly loved Graystripe. Not to mention she doesn’t attack Fireheart when Thunderclan attacks Riverclan. She could’ve without Graystripe blaming her because they were attacking their camp and she could’ve said that she had to keep up appearances. Lol I’m such a nerd
I actually agree! The way you've explained this really changed my mind! I used to see him as a well normal friend but he kinda was a bad friend I mean who would fight there OWN friend!? *COUGHS*
Honestly I never really liked Silverstream. For me she was just a plot device for Fireheart & Graystripe to argue, she never really added much to the story. Her personality was also kinda dull.
“Graystripe carelessly kills white claw in a battle” Me: bro are you joking it was a accident Did you even read fire and ice? I swear these theories are kinda ridiculous and eye boggling
Yeah and I think that graystripe and silverstream are so cute together if you don't think so then go and search for the video we see the light graystripe and silverstream And thanks for seeing this message I hope you see it!
Ok so when We first met grey stripe I thought he was the BEST cat then now.. he is one of my least faves I like Tigerclaw/star more! My friend has just started reading into the wild and he loves grey stripe too but... he doesn’t know what’s coming......
In my opinion I hated Greystripe in Fire and Ice Ok now before you get offended hear me out Here’s reasons why I didn’t like him in Fire and Ice (Fire and Ice only) 1. When ever Fireheart tried to help Greystripe with Silverstream Greystripe gets angry at him for no reason. 2. He kinda ditched his clan to hang out with a she cat (Silverstream) that he just met. 3. Another moment in the book before brindleface’s kits go missing Greystripe literally accused FireHeart for not saying thank you when Greystripe stuck up for him. Now remember you can have your opinion about Greystripe and that’s ok but I’m only sharing my opinion.
Quick questions what book did grey stripe die in and when and how did he die? And why did the best warrior and leader fire star have to die the quickest? And what kits did silver stream and grey stripe have?or did they not have any because I haven’t really read the books yet
I think that Graystripe was not a bad friend. I mean, when he left, Firestar got a mate too AND he had a forbidden relationship. Graystripe went through a lot. You can't blame him for being a bit of a jerk.
Crookedstar: Silverstream since Oakheart's attack on Sunningrocks didn't work I need you to get closer to that Thunderclan tom you like so much so we can do something. Silver: ok dad Moons later Crooked: SILVERSTREAM NOOOOOOOOOO
I see Greystripe and Silverstreams relationship as something like Romeo and Juliet’s, because love is love and cannot be controlled. It’s for love, and nothing is stronger than that.
Graystripe was at EMOTIONAL CRISIS with the loss of Silverstream and he had kits with her and he loved the kits, would you abandon your newborn child to prove loyalty? He couldn't leave his kits in his emotional state MOUSE-BRAIN!!!!!
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Bright Guardian Akira I agree Silverstream going to sunning rocks was a bit of a reckless choice. But in Crookedstar’s promise many queens died. This minion detail just shows us that queens and kits usually don’t make it during birth. Fish could be a reason for this as it doesn’t give much energy and stregth. Idk thought I’d point it out.
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I don’t exactly agree with the Silverstream manipulating Graystripe. She had definitely not meant to do that.
This is greatly proven at the manga at the end of Crookedstar’s Promise Novella. Crookedstar gets defensive about his daughter when catching her with Graystripe, and Silverstream gets upset, telling Crookedstar, “ Graystripe is a great and worthy warrior. If the warrior code can’t deal with this, maybe the warrior code needs to change.” Silverstream definitely loved him and cared about him more than the code she is meant to follow.
This was my comment. I agree btw. : I'm not in love with this video, mostly because of the view on GrayxSilver. Yes, of course, Silverstream was beautiful but also had a beautiful personality. At the time she had many flaws and was still Naive, Young and dumb (Like her decision to leave camp to find grey stripe to kit) I doubt she just wanted manipulation since she was not smart or mean enough too that, plus grey stripe made the first move and if Silverstream wanted manipulations he would have known that she may have been able to win grey stripe over and she would have made the first move.
I agree sooo much
And that was EXACTLY the problem. 😁 😁😁😕🧐🧐😕😕
Aster can we still make an evil Silverstream AU?
LunarLilacs Old comment, eh whatever. Silverstream even mentions Graystripe when talking to Firestar in Firestar’s Quest. I would quote it, but I don’t have the book with me.
Greystripe actually did feel really bad about killing Whiteclaw, and, I dont think Silverstream became mates with him to help Riverclan because she really did love him alot. Silverstream isnt the kind of cat to take advantage of others. Sorry about that just wanted to put in my opinion.
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I AGREE!!! GO GRAYSTRIPE and SILVERSTREAM
I Still like graystripe x Millie more 😂
At the end of Crookedstars Promise in the manga, Silverstream says - “You’re obsessed with clan loyalty, if you could see beyond your nose, you’d realize...there’s a lot more to life than what we’ve got in one little clan. Graystripe is a great and worthy warrior. If the warrior code can’t deal with this..then maybe the warrior code needs to change. I know you’re worried because you love me, and I love you too, I’ll always be your daughter. But you have to let me choose my own future.” - Silverstream to Crookedstar.
I think Silverstream truly loved Graystripe. I always thought Graystripe was a jerk in the first series (excluding Into the Wild) but after that, I thought he was a noble warrior. But I agree with you about him being a jerk to Fireheart, it was rude and disrespectful of Graystripe to do that to him.
i understand what you’re trying to say but, what silverstream said might’ve meant that she’s taking advantage of graystripe. however i really like this 😺
good point!
Gray stripe wasnt mean in "Into The Wild" I'd say Shadow clan was. They broke the warrior code when Broken star was around.
Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to believe Silverstream INTENTIONALLY tried making Graystripe disloyal for RiverClan's benefit. Its pretty clear that they did benefit, but that was a side effect and rather than a mastermind by Silverstream.
As for what she did love about him- Silverstream does seem to like how silly and dorky Graystripe is, and this is a bit of speculation, but since she was the clan leader's daughter, it could be possible that RiverClan suitors her age treated her with special consideration because of it. Graystripe may have been one of the first cats to act more genuine and vulnerable around her. In Firestar's perspective it would seem as though Silverstream was using him, but I think its actually a bit of the other way around.
Some speculation about Graystripe's own motives- Graystripe was heavily affected by accidentally murdering a RiverClan warrior. Its important to remember that he and Firestar were made warriors a bit early because of their bravery with Brokenstar, and they just got back from a secret mission that they were chosen for. Graystripe barely has time to process any of this before he's suddenly assigned an apprentice (and an underage one at that). This is a lot of responsibility that's thrust on Graystripe and Firestar all at once. There's a reason someone made the joke that Warriors could be called Worriers- Fireheart is an anxious mess. Personally if I was Graystripe and I was already grieving the fact that I just accidentally killed someone, my leader suddenly assigning me and underage apprentice- which is exactly what they chased Brokenstar off to begin with- just to make me feel better would really piss me off. Graystripe had to have been in a bitter mindset in some regard. I'd definitely feel better about him blowing off Brackenfur's training if he'd intentionally done it because he and Cinderpelt shouldn't have been apprenticed so early in the first place. Maybe this feeling is exasperated even more after Cinderpelt's injury. But anyway- about Silverstream. Now obviously Graystripe falls head-over-heels for this pretty buff she cat who saves his life, but I think there could have been more to it than that. In the books he seemingly forgets about his guilt, but I think if they had explored the concept of him being drawn to RiverClan because of it would have made his motivations more sympathetic. Not only does he not see anything wrong with his relationship with Silverstream, but he views their friendship as his way of making amends to RiverClan. The fact that this RiverClan cat seems to have forgiven him makes him feel more hopeful of ending hostilities between their Clans at large. This is part of the reason why he's so willing to help Silverstream feed RiverClan in secret. Firestar sees the difficulty of having torn loyalties in their first battle, but Graystripe stubbornly still believes their love could do no harm. Silverstream is probably convinced of this as well. He doesn't see anything wrong with what he's been doing until its too late. After Silverstream's death the old guilt wound is reopened again, because now he has caused the premature deaths of TWO RiverClan cats. He doesn't want to simply give his kits back, because that will mean he will have to fight them eventually, and he's tired of fighting RiverClan.
(Although I do think the same thing will play out with him being unable to fight Firestar and being exiled for it.)
Sidenote: I wish we'd get to see more of Mosspelt, Feathertail and Stormfur's foster mom.
Additional tallies for IS GRAYSTRIPE BAD FRIEND? to consider:
Good: 1 - Basically all of Into the Wild, he's a golden friend. Sticking up for his new friend against his old friends, eating two whole mice in a row to cover Firepaw from Tigerstar despite being completely full, helping Ravenpaw escape, helping Firepaw defeat Brokentail, etc. 2 - He supports Fireheart when he brings Cloudkit to ThunderClan. 3 - He graciously accepts not being deputy anymore (might be a no-brainer since it was nepotism for him to be appointed deputy in the first place but you know its better than what Mudclaw did)
Bad: 1 - (Speculative: He was better friends with Sandstorm and Dustpelt before Rusty joined the clan, and although initially rejecting them for their treatment of Firestar was noble, he never seems to hang out with them much once Firestar has earned their respect) 2 - He doesn't believe Ravenpaw's story and brushes Fireheart off when he's still trying to figure it out. 3 - He's kind of a jerk about Millie being a kittypet at first even though his best friend was a kittypet??? Bonus - "I'm so proud of my daughter, Mistystar" dghakdsjghaksj Bramblestar's Storm was a MISTAKE
•Galaxy Sky• Dammit I commented something similar before even seeing this comment 😓
Yeah, if Silverstream didn't truly love him she would've stayed in RiverClan when having her kits
1. Graystripe killing whiteclaw was an accident
2. He actually was in a depressed state when he killed whiteclaw
3. He was with Firestar since day one and supported him and made him a hero
Exactly
Yepoh and Greystripe's special cus his parents where siblings
I disagree
he literally stops doing his duties like teaching his apprentice just so he could see his girlfriend, I don't think it's bad for him to have fallen in love, but that doesn't justice his lack of judgment and reasonability
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I don’t really call Graystripe a bad friend, but he does betray Thunderclan and Firestar. But Graystripe and Firestar are close friends for years, he did want to name Sparkpelt after Firestar.
I do agree with you in this video and you do made a lot of good points.
Flower Griffon you mean “betray”, not “betrayed”.
Also “want” instead of “wanted”.
Blobby Blobfish Gaming sorry, I’m not good at grammar
Flower Griffon well its okay.
Blobby Blobfish Gaming *it’s
I still like Greystripe. Yes he made mistakes, but that's the point. If he was perfect, what was the point? Not to mention, love is a very powerful thing. He changed a lot as a character and became considerably more loyal to ThunderClan as time went on, but at the same time, he was loyal to his kits. But can you blame him? At the end of the day, they're still his kits. I think he got better and better, and greystripe is just a fun guy
Agree or disagree? Disagree
If he was perfect, we wouldn't be criticizing him.
Why doesn't anyone say this about cats like Breezepelt or Ashfur? People (understandaly) hate them because they weren't perfect, and act as if they liked (e.g. Graystripe) because he isn't. No one likes Gray for his originality lol.
I think the majority of the fandom just acts like well rounded characters with actual development matter to them.
@@ax3247 Breezepelt is actually my favourite character and Ashfur is in my top ten lol
@@jje_tt4324 Okay...?
I mean you do make a lot of points, but Silverstream being evil and using him? No, that doesn't make sense to me, especially when you see how she acts at the end of Crookedstar's promise. Gray is my all time favorite character, and something I love about him is that he's not perfect. Sure he acts like a jerky in Fire and Ice and Forest of Secrets. But he learns after that. He's young and let's face it, stupid at times. But that's what makes his character so great, I find him relatable and a funny, cute character. And the hole drama with Fireheart and their friendship just builds on their characters as a hole. It really shows how no matter what stuff your friends do or believe, they will always be there for you. I believe Gray was a great friend for Fireheart.
@Truaforever he doesn't necessarily do research, you can see that in the pregnancy rant video he made a week or so before this. He doesn't care about other opinions, he barely ever responds to people who are arguing against him. His points are incredibly flimsy in any video he's ranting in honestly.
No ona said anything about her "being evil". Caring about your Clan isn't baing evil lol. xD
@@hoarfrost_4458 Why should he reply to comments? He ranted, he made his point. If people are trying to argue, let them.
I agree, though, that he does rant horribly. The one about Bumblestripe is my all time favourite; it's absolutely hilarious how he's trying to change every single millimeter of the story for it to fit into his stupit headcanons.
But I agree with all his points in this video, and what's wrong with the pregnancy one?
What a bootiful speech 😢
I agree with you, really and Silverstream would never do that, as they did love each other, and Greystripe would NEVER give so his kits, so he left for Riverclan, while Firestar doesn't really care for him as much as Silversteam did, or ever will. Greystripe broke the warrior code TO BE HAPPY and in my opinion breaking the warrior code is bad at some times, but can save WHOLE CLANS and is used to punish certain cats. Brokenstar broke the warrior code and was corrupt because it was punishment for kicking Skyclan out. I think Firestar as the bad friend who wanted to see someone else suffer, and he had to tell everybody and ruin it, for Greystripe and his broken heart after Silverstream died. Firestar/Heart broke the code when he went to see his sister, Princess and took Cloudkit. Greystripe is trying to be happy. Firestar want the best for his clan and friends though. In summary, Greystripe could have been happy not having kits with Silverstream, and Firestar was being nosy about it, it could have ended differently if Firestar hadn't been such a jerk.
So I smell an evil SilverStream AU?
That can be interesting
Sure. Silverstream trying to control ThunderClan through Graystripe could definitely make for some interesting stories.
Dang. I might just have to get to work!
*We need an evil Silverstream AU*
oM Y GOD YES
Evil Silverstream would be a good au, I could picture her using Greystripe to kill Fireheart and cats inside TC to make RC stornger c:
Ooo
Theres a theory she used him to get close to FireHeart but then it went wrong :p
@TheWhoKnowsPerso n I would have liked to see that honestly
Erin Hunter: *"WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!"*
-see’s title- NO
*sees title*
YES
He was young and gullible. Once he realized his mistakes (after Silverstream died) he returns and makes a better cat from himself. I love Graystripe too much to say that he was a bad cat, because he isn’t
Akira isn't saying that Graystripe is a bad cat, but being young isn't an excuse. Firestar, Sandstorm, and dustpelt are practically the same age.
He’s not a bad cat but he’s not a bright one. He and Silverstream pretended like they couldn’t stop seeing each other when, in reality, they just didn’t want to stop seeing each other. Their mistakes led to Silverstream’s death. Graystripe understandably is upset and ultimately does the right thing by bringing his kits to their mother’s clan and going with them to raise them. BUT, a he betrays Riverclan and then ditches his kits for Fireheart and Thunderclan.
I almost forgot to mention that Graystripe was a terrible mentor to Brakenfur. He rarely trained him and constantly left Fireheart with double mentoring duties. Graystripe has a good heart sure but he doesn’t have a brain behind those eyes.
Akria: "As much as I love Graystripe.." my recommend: "I BURNED my Graystripe"
Talk about a plot twist
*Wow*
*I'm on only on the 5th book*
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Summer LPS same 😂
@@aaascendant ._.
@@doggstaranimations8426 😓👌🏻😂
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Overall, a nice video - but I have one thing I really disagree with: That Silverstream was "manipulating" Graystripe for RiverClans profit. Sure, you could make the assumption that she does, because we always see her from Firestars/hearts perspective, but that would be it. From what we know Silverstream saved Graystripe when he was drowning, that's how they met after all! She absolutely had the choice to let him drown, but she chose to save him, which does show that she wasn't just acting the way the tensions expected of her. The cat she was saving was the singular cat that was responsible for her clanmates death, she had every reason to let him die. And it's no surprise that Graystripe was thankful afterwards, who wouldn't be? From what happens within their relationship we can see that she did care about him as well! They did have kits together, they kept meeting, even if we never get to read about any of them. And when Silverstream eventually died she kept watching over Graystripe in StarClan, as seen in the Mangas! Another thing we have to keep in mind is that both of them were just young adult cats, both just out of their apprenticeships! They wouldn't really have a picture of what their relationship would do to the clans yet!
"She absolutely had the choice to let him drown, but she chose to save him, which does show that she wasn't just acting the way the tensions expected of her. The cat she was saving was the singular cat that was responsible for her clanmates death, she had every reason to let him die."
I think you should reread the books. It was revealed "RiverClan cats are not in the habit of letting drowning cats scare their prey away."
I agree. This was my comment: I'm not in love with this video, mostly because of the view on GrayxSilver. Yes, of course, Silverstream was beautiful but also had a beautiful personality. At the time she had many flaws and was still Naive, Young and dumb (Like her decision to leave camp to find grey stripe to kit) I doubt she just wanted manipulation since she was not smart or mean enough too that, plus grey stripe made the first move and if Silverstream wanted manipulations he would have known that she may have been able to win grey stripe over and she would have made the first move.
It is stated in the books that Riverclan cats don't like dead bodies poisoning the river. One of the Erins also stated that Silverstream only saved Graystripe for that reason.
He said maybe .-.
Can you blame him for sacrificing his friendship and his loyalty for his kits survival? Having a mate is understandable but having kits means so much to a single cat. Gray stripe made the good choice to give everything up for his kits
And then a few books later he ditches them for thunderclan
No he really didnt. Warrior Cats is different from real life. And his kits survival in riverclan is very high. They wouldve protected the kits with their lives. And if he loved them that much he wouldve had thunderclan fight riverclan :/
Yes I can blame him, I’m not a big fan of gray stripe for MANY reasons
@@Pupperthedog I agree
@@ravem410 Causing deaths and unnecessary wounds for his clan mates for his kits? He is better off joining river clan than to quote unquote cause war crimes. He was there for his kits as a father. People with loving parents will never understand how not having their parents can mean to little children.
Graystripe was young, impulsive, hardheaded, and really didn't look where he lept a lot of the time.
He never thought about what he was doing in detail, until he got the wakeup call he needed later on.
He slowly got a hold of himself and became a proper formidable warrior, and even though he was still somewhat hardheaded and stubborn, he was willing to go out of his way to do what he believed in.
Now more than ever, to the day Firestar died, I felt he became the friend that good old Rusty needed.
Reckless relationships rarely turn out well and can hurt both people involved, and those they know. It reflects very well in the series; while Graystripe's stubbornness was frustrating and unappealing, it's quite accurate and adds to his development over his silverstream arc pretty well. It shows how closed-minded he becomes, seeing SIlverstream and their relationship as perfect, and anyone who dares to interfere 'true love' is in the wrong.
Going on amino in the morning when the admins are asleep is fun, you sometimes see some bizarre off topic/innoprorate post.
To be honest, I never liked Silverstream and Greystripe together
Like the two really loved each other but the development between their love is straight up baaad. They meet on one page then you flip the other page and they're already together? Hecking Millie had better development with Greystripe it took her way longer to actually fall for Greystripe, the two spent way longer together as mates but Greystripe is gonna straight up ditch her when he dies for a cat that was only alive for 2 and a half books in the main series smh.
Ikr! I love millie as a character! Shes so sweet! And she is a wayyyyyyy better cat! I agree with this comment
Did u forget that these are cats?a bunch of animals become mates right when they meet -_-
@@CrazyBird-vw4qd these cats act more human then they do cats, I don't think regular cats go into battle for territory, train younger cats, have a understanding for medicine, create clans, go to gatherings etc. I'd like to point that out, they act very little like actual cats at all...plus I don't think anywhere else in the books you see a cat just meet someone else and instantly become mates :/
@@york7380 Oof yea your right XD I'm just stupid :3
@@CrazyBird-vw4qd are sarcastic or serious?
I kinda disagree with you, atleast in the part of silverstream, she really loved him and was a very open minded cat, wich is one of the reasons why she fell in love with Greystripe, she wasn't taking advantage of him, and yes their love really messed up a lot of things and stuff for both Greystripe and Silverstream, Silverstream couldn't hurt Greystripe's best friend since she didn't want to hurt the she loved, but besides that part i agree with you
Minnow :3 the thing that pissed me off the most was when he said that Graystripe killed Whiteclaw on purpose
Greystripe didn't kill Whiteclaw, Whiteclaw fell of off the cliff and he tried to save him and Leopardstar was the one to attack the Thunderclan cats near the gorge and Greystripe felt guilty about it and Firestar comforted him.
Tbh I want a map where it's about Graystripe, and not SilverxGray. I just want one about his life and his mistakes and stuff. Silverstream can still be in it, but I don't want silverxgray to be the main thing
yeah i know that ...
Imagine Graystripe accidentally killing Fireheart due to his rage
So, the moral of the story is: "If your friend is a jerk to you, don't worry. They'll stop being toxic once their significant other dies or leaves the picture in any other way".
2:44
Graystripe: COME AT ME BRO
whiteclaw: get away ,back off
Graystripe:NO I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON MY SPIN TECHNIQUE
*Whiteclaw falls off cliff into gorge*
Graystripe:holy frick...
Snickers 137031
lMaOOOOOOOO😂😂😂🔵🔵
I PRACTICED MY SPIN FOR SEASONS NOW LEMME USE ITTTTTT
oh no i messed up
I personally don't think Silverstream had some evil alternative for her own needs. When Millie was on the verge on dying from illness, Silverstream begs for Millie to get better in StarClan so that Greystripe doesn't face anymore pain.
Maybe grey’stripe is a bad friend, but he is also a kind of hero in my eyes. And here is why……when greystripe met fire’star/rusty he told rusty about the life in the wild and sparked fire’star/rusty interest for the life in the woods.
*Sees title 2 years ago*
Me two years ago: "OMG I DISAGREE"
Me now, just re-finding this video: "Eh so many main characters break the code, I don't really get fazed when people say that."
Me before watching video: no
Me after watching video: still no
Though Graystripe was a jerk,having kits saved the clans later on in The new prophecy. Feathertail and Stormfur went all that way,with Feathertail dying in the process to save Crowfeather and the tribe,giving Crowfeather a personality and letting Jayfeather,Lionblaze and Hollyleaf be born.
Yeah,and if graystripe didnt do that,the ENTIRE series would be different.
Firestar is the reason Hollyleaf, Jayfeather, and Lionblaze exist (as they are his grandchildren) NOT Graystripe.
Norbert Alsotun Firestar and Graystripe,if Graystripe didn’t have feathertail Crowfeather wouldn’t have gained a personality that lead to Crowfeather mating with leafpool
... (graystripe is my fifth fav cat) 1.yellowfang 2. Purdy! 3. Tallstar 4.ivypool
Jasper 2729 you were first
Isnt Purdy hella old?
He’s hella dead. As is the word hella.
Omg Purdyyyyy I loaf him oWo
I love yellowfang too
I never liked that people would hate on Dovewing & for the most part be ok with Greystripe when they have similar situations, & at least she has been loyal as can be to her new clan.
4:50 silverstream also let fireheart go and ran off with no wounds because she didn’t want to hurt anyone Graystripe cared about so there’s no way she was just manipulating him
Sees title: he definitely was
melondoq NO
I did think the same thing
@@LalahCupcake Yes.
Shut up!
Akira: greystripe became better and better as time passes with no distractions
Me: and then there was millie......
I believe Graystripe was bad friend in the first 4 books in the New Prophecy. He just completely ditched Firestar for Silverstream and lashed out on Firestar when he tried to help him. But in book 5, Graystripe redeemed himself :)
Ironically; after reading the novels again-it’s interesting to see that Graystripe’s and Silverstream’s tragic affair (alongside with the main protagonists feeding starving RiverClan) saved ThunderClan. After reveal that the ThunderClan was sheltering the old murderous tyrant Brokenstar, ShadowClan and WindClan swore they will not allow passage to them when returning home. RiverClan’s leader Crookedstar (Silverstream’s father so conflict of interest?) allowed ThunderClan to return home through their territories
Ok i'm pretty sure that Gray'stripe fell in love with Silver'stream cause of one cat: Maple'shade. I haven't read Crooked'stars promise but in the ultimate warriors guide it says on page 117 in the Cooked'star chapter "He was beginning to realize that he made a terrible promise that would leave him isolated in the midst of the clan, but Maple'shade wouldn't not release him." and then on page 118 it says "But Maple'shade reminded him of his promise he had made, and slowly Crooked'jaws worlds fell apart.' And on the last paragraph of Crooked'star is says "but his daughter fell in love with Gray'stripe, a Tc warrior. Thanks to Maple'shade, Crooked 'star achieved everything he had ever wanted, and lost everything important to him."
So i don't think Silver'stream was "using" Gray'stripe. I think Maple'shade made Gray'stripe fall in the water so Silver'stream could save him, so they'll fell in love with each other. So no, Silver'stream probably did love Gray'stripe. And then there's the rest of the story.
In the end, Maple'shade caused Crooked'stars life to fall apart, then Silver'stream and Gray'stripe fell in love. So we can all blame Maple'shade.
But that's just a theory, a warriors theory.
Oh and y does Silver'stream look like one of those mean girls? I mean i didn't think she was that bad. Right?
oh and i love ur channel Akira.
I don't think it was maple that made him fall in the water. If you reread the scene, it was cinderpaw that ran out onto the frozen river. When greystripe tried to help her, the ice broke and he fell in. How would that work?
@@iamtomato3608 that is true i havent read that book in awhile so i forgot
So in the end silverstream was a catfish
oof
He completely blew off Brackenpaw's mentoring to slip away with Silverstream. I get love, but he completely ignored most if not all of his clan duties. I don't think Silverstream used him, but she's just as guilty. Both of them ignored all the consequences. Silverstream the most. When she's found to be pregnant, she simply shrugs her shoulders and says who cares. Her ignorance got herself killed. (Isn't she the only cat who's died in Childbirth?)
I like to think Gray joined Riverclan because he felt guilty about Silver's death.
Gray also does nothing as Millie mistreats Blossomfall. I can't say he's the best character, he's beginning to fit within the middle.
let’s be honest gray stripe has had it the worst he lost his mate, almost his kits, numerous friends, his leader, his BEST friend, and one of his kits can’t walk so
This shows that greystripe is not an perfect character
He was nice but was always not perfect he broke the code. Hunting for riverclan. Staying with them. But he was an great father! And sure him being an jerk was not an good thing... but that once again means that he’s not perfect when he went back to ThunderClan he was an better version of himself I think he figured out he was doing something wrong and stopped being unloyal...that’s what I think! This is why greystripe is my favorite character and needs more love in the fandom!
Bro Graystripe DID NOT 'carelessly' killed Whiteclaw, in the books it literally said that he felt really bad. Please go read the books 🙏🏻
SilverStream was not using Greystripe. It is stated in Crookedstars promise that Crookedstar did not know about the meetings and could not stop her from doing so when he found out. She says that she loves Greystripe and Crookedstar could do nothing about it. Crookedstar doesn’t try to and allows his last surviving kit do what her heart desires.
1:49 skip add
I've been so busy these last few months, but this video worked like clipbait on me so here I am with my opinion. Graystripe was a terrible friend, but only in certain books. He presumably learned his lesson, but it was not handled correctly. As you said in Fire and Ice, he was plain horrible towards Fireheart. Not only that, he abandoned his apprentice to be trained by him. That's the one behavior that makes him cross the line from naive to selfish for me. Fireheart even thinks that Brackenpaw will be held back because of his mentor's absence.
This is also not totally Graystripe's fault, but I feel it important to mention. When Cinderpaw got run over by the ThunderPath, the camp was so busy that Fireheart had to leave his apprentice alone with basically no one to get some herbs. Because of this, Cinderpaw ran off and got hurt. In an AU where Graystripe was not in love with Silverstream, Cinderpaw might not have gotten mauled.
But this might have all been okay, but he'd learned his lesson at the end. And you could say he does. Silverstream is almost killed and Fireheart has to risk being called a traitor to save her. He starts to realize it might be a bad idea at this time, but all he really does it be more secretive. It doesn't cause him to change his behavior. Fireheart is the one that just stops caring.
And when Silverstream dies the problem is that it has nothing to do with Graystripe's behavior. If Graystripe had been a RiverClan cat, pretty much the same thing would have happened. It is an unforeseen consequence, not a direct punishment, which Graystripe NEVER gets. He is allowed to go to RiverClan and come back with minimal resistance. This is why I've grown to hate Graystripe in the original series.
It was pointed out in the exclusive manga of Crookedstar's promise that Silverstream did love Graystripe, even though the idea of Silverstream manipulate Graystripe it would have been an interesting plot!
This is what drove me to hate Silverstream
Please don’t judge me for my opinion, I respect ppl who like Silverstream.
I think that you are right greystripe was distracted with silverstream but when she died and he was exiled from Riverclan he got better! Great videos. Keep up the good work!
That transition was so smooth I nearly slipped :0
Graystripe’s only qualities:
Being a jerk
Being a loner
LEAVING CATS LIKE FIVE TIMES
Being gay xD
And not liking anything except food
Dont forget his last quality
-Hes immortal
He’s also beautiful -3-
Funny -3-
Sensitive -3-
Asopilite e
Yes.
JUST LIKE MISTYSTAR
HOW IS SHE ALIVE, HUH?!?
I THOUGHT THERE WERE ONLY FOUR SUPER CATS!!
They are da Avenger Kitties.
@@catlady307 truth revealed:graystripe was meant to be the fourth cat but the mountain cats said "no ew your too old plus you arent related to firestar" so they chose firestar instead
Asopilite e YAS
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
I think he would bea *purrfect* friend
Get it?
No?
I'll go now
Lol
Dang, I need to draw Graystripe rn
I love Graystripe and agree with this whole vid. I love your vids and watch a lot of them per day. Keep up the amazing work, I think everyone can agree on that.
That moment when you're watching this while on Warriors Amino
Just posting this random comment because I’m early YAY FINALLY
Edit: The description says that “Graystripe made several mistakes” except it was spelled “Graysrtipe made several mistakes”. What is convenient is he made a mistake in the sentence that’s talking about Graystripe’s mistake :p
I don’t think silverstream was trying to manipulate Graystripe. When Firestar gets one of his 9 lives from her, he asks her if he should take a message to Graystripe. He says that her eyes showed pain and sorrow. I think that is proof enough that Silverstream truly loved him. And if Silverstream was helping Riverclan, why allow Fireheart to ask Graypool and Mistyfoor about Oakheart’s death and Mistyfoot and Stonefurs true clan. She would have no reason to help him unless she truly loved Graystripe. Not to mention she doesn’t attack Fireheart when Thunderclan attacks Riverclan. She could’ve without Graystripe blaming her because they were attacking their camp and she could’ve said that she had to keep up appearances.
Lol I’m such a nerd
i think that fire heart said he was hunting for river clan before gray strip said anything about hunting for river clan
when this is like two years old but i still have members joining my chat because they saw it on this vid
I actually agree! The way you've explained this really changed my mind! I used to see him as a well normal friend but he kinda was a bad friend I mean who would fight there OWN friend!?
*COUGHS*
And they became better boyfriends than ever.
Graystripe was such a bad friend that I wish that once he left ThunderClan, he never joined again and Fireheart never forgave him.
“my love isn’t dangerous”
Honestly I never really liked Silverstream. For me she was just a plot device for Fireheart & Graystripe to argue, she never really added much to the story. Her personality was also kinda dull.
I call it "Animo"... Hehe.... DONT KILL MEH PLEASE!
Me*
“Graystripe carelessly kills white claw in a battle”
Me: bro are you joking it was a accident
Did you even read fire and ice?
I swear these theories are kinda ridiculous and eye boggling
5:28 Graystripe was most likely showing off so Silverstream would like him more.
This is one of the reasons why I really really hate silverstream
Nobody:
Graystripe: *Grinning goofily as he murdered a guy*
"Is graystripe bad friend?"
No.
Yeah and I think that graystripe and silverstream are so cute together if you don't think so then go and search for the video we see the light graystripe and silverstream
And thanks for seeing this message I hope you see it!
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Couldn't someone be in a cute relationship and also be a bad friend at the same time?
Ok so when We first met grey stripe I thought he was the BEST cat then now.. he is one of my least faves I like Tigerclaw/star more! My friend has just started reading into the wild and he loves grey stripe too but... he doesn’t know what’s coming......
Didn't Silverstream say in the manga in Crookedstars Promise that she thinks that Graystripe is a great and worthy warrior?
Yeah, I never liked really Graystripe.
... I STILL LIKE SILVERSTREAM!
- Runs into my room and slams my door shut -
Graystripe is basically the Taco of Firestar's Book.
The subtitles have informed me that Fireheart's new name is Spireart.
In my opinion I hated Greystripe in Fire and Ice
Ok now before you get offended hear me out
Here’s reasons why I didn’t like him in Fire and Ice (Fire and Ice only)
1. When ever Fireheart tried to help Greystripe with Silverstream Greystripe gets angry at him for no reason.
2. He kinda ditched his clan to hang out with a she cat (Silverstream) that he just met.
3. Another moment in the book before brindleface’s kits go missing Greystripe literally accused FireHeart for not saying thank you when Greystripe stuck up for him.
Now remember you can have your opinion about Greystripe and that’s ok but I’m only sharing my opinion.
After hearing Akira's opinion on Silverstream, I wanna make an evil Au about Silverstream yet other people are going to do that before me XD
If we think about it, if it wasn't for Graystripe Firestar wouldn't have even met a clan cat. The fox he was tailing would probably have eaten him
Lesson of the day: Beauty and infatuation is a killer of friendships
And mothers and ladies
Quick questions what book did grey stripe die in and when and how did he die? And why did the best warrior and leader fire star have to die the quickest? And what kits did silver stream and grey stripe have?or did they not have any because I haven’t really read the books yet
We do get to see some of what Silverstream sees in Graystripe whenever she is talking about him with anyone
That was in the prophecies begin and he becomes a better friend afterward
0:49 when your phone if full charged, but when your still charging it..xD
Graystripe was basically the cat that found him and helped bring him into thunderclan.
title : was greystripe a bad friend?
me : y e s
This actually makes so much sense!
I think that Graystripe was not a bad friend. I mean, when he left, Firestar got a mate too AND he had a forbidden relationship. Graystripe went through a lot. You can't blame him for being a bit of a jerk.
Yes
Crookedstar: Silverstream since Oakheart's attack on Sunningrocks didn't work I need you to get closer to that Thunderclan tom you like so much so we can do something.
Silver: ok dad
Moons later
Crooked: SILVERSTREAM NOOOOOOOOOO
'..battle by the gorge'
me: *can't riverclan swim though-*
*patiently waits for challenge #8....*
Plot twist: silver stream manipulates Grey stipe to do the dirty work like a the biss she is
Differences between Firestar and Graystripe (Personalilty wise).
1. Divided loyalties...
Great video! Your video quality has improved so much over time! Keep going with the amazing content!
Out of all warriors Graystripe was able to really Express how he felt towards Firestar
I see Greystripe and Silverstreams relationship as something like Romeo and Juliet’s, because love is love and cannot be controlled. It’s for love, and nothing is stronger than that.
During the forest of secrets it is bad friendship
Why are you so chill about this?!
Or you just sound chill idk.
TEACH ME YOUR WAYS
Graystripe was at EMOTIONAL CRISIS with the loss of Silverstream and he had kits with her and he loved the kits, would you abandon your newborn child to prove loyalty? He couldn't leave his kits in his emotional state MOUSE-BRAIN!!!!!