It hurts me when hatice found her belongings down there. I hate ibrahim, hatice and suleyman other siblings . But i understand something, even tho ibrahim cheated her, it's not easy to give up on love. If only she is not blaming hurrem for everything and fought her, i'll support her :( i understand her love for ibrahim so much. Love is not easy, you won't understand until it happens to you. You'll blind for it. You'll neglect everything and everyone around you. Bcs it hurted you so much.
For goodness sake, to end this whole bowing debate once and for all, here's the deciding point from Leslie Pierce's _The Imperial Harem_ . Now please stop applying Western takes to the Ottoman harem (you're not even doing it right). "The haseki, a slave concubine and no blood relation to the reigning sultan ranked higher than the sultan's own sisters and aunts, the princesses of the dynasty. Her elevated royal status derived from the fact that she was the mother of a potential future sultan."
Finally, thank you. It irritates me how they talk so sure when they don't read the freaking history! HURREM IS ABOVE SULEIMAN SISTERS AND THEY BOW TO HER. What's so damn hard to understand for some people.
In China, Indonesia & Western world a full blood royal status is higher than a slave concubine. Anyway, will Mihrimah bow to Nurbanu during Selim's reign?
@@ChickenSoup736 no, because mihrimah was valide sultan by Selim. Nurbanu must bow to her. And yes ottoman dynasty is different than the usual as you mentioned :)
So even though the letter was fake, Sah was in love with Ibrahim? This is starting to get ridiculous. She’s the third women who fell hopelessly in love with him. What’s so incredible special with him?
Also, there's no back story to this so called "love". Sah Sultan doesn't even appear earlier in the show like Beyhan does when her husband is beheaded. Where's the logic. No better than Indian soaps, I'm beginning to think :-P though the acting is far, far superior! Also, I'm a bit out of patience with my crush Suleiman. If he was so "magnificent", why did he not maintain a better balance of power between his courtiers? Ibrahim, no favourite of mine, may not have lost his head that way.
.... and they destroyed all things associated with her husband and his memory like the statues he created, many items in his home, etc. They even moved other people into her home after they killed her husband. And, everyone is telling her she has no right and should not be angry or upset...that she should just go play “tennis” and have little afternoon parties with her friends like nothing g has happened. Talk about a crazy making environment!
Hurrem letter might be fake but it speaks the truth haha get rekt shahuban. You start the whole 'blood' again few mins later after this scene and hurrems answer is the truth: she's above you, like it or not, and it's wrong that she bows to them in series, it misleads a lot of people who don't read history.
Hatice stood💪💪💪💪 up for💯💯💯💯 herself/reclaiming her palace plus put that sly/sneakkkkkkyyyyyyyyy Shah in her rightful place❗❗❗‼️‼️‼️‼️I, truly admire the way she loved Ibrahim, Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww❗❗❗‼️‼️‼️‼️
The letter isn’t fake Hurrem found it in Ibrahims chest lol and gave it to Matice lol Ibrahims secrets are all spilled out because he was not a good man
The root of all the sorrow is Mahiedevran. 1. She made Hurrem a momster. 2. She poisin Mustafa and Ibrahin. Hatice is very loyal to Ibrahim. If there is no Mahiedevran, then Ibrahim will not cover for Mahiedevran and will not fight against Hurrem.
They are not above hurrem in real life, only series. In real life, they bowed to Hurrem. Nurbanu bowed to mihrimah because mihrimah was VALIDE SULTAN by selim, otherwise she would bow to nurbanu too. Read some history and stop believing the series in these matters. Haseki is above royal princesses.
@@DimSK. that's all fine and jazz we know it's drama , we're pointing out how in the drama the things are potrayed and making conclusions off that. Nobody's trying to belittle your precious hurrem , chill
@@justanotherhumanbean5876 I'm chill but I can't stand it when you guys are trying to change history facts simply because you don't like hurrem or because you have deep faith in series...
Hatice is exaggerated...ohh plz girl Ibrahim is dead not cuz of Hurrem but cuz Sultan Sully said so he has the final say. Also u Hatice were always against Hurrem for no reason she is still the mother of 5 of ur nieces and nephews. If she removed herself from all of this she would be fine along with her husband.
@@kristinesharp6286 she said she went to funeral but we never saw her haha. Either way, all royal sisters are equal, they don't bow to each other and they talk the same . The elder is just married to grand vizier (usually)
@@kristinesharp6286 The thing that makes this difficult is that a lot of it comes down to the show's inconsistent writing. In history, she's suspected to have been born to a different consort, but, in the show, they changed her to be Hatice's full blooded sister. There's no listed birthdate for Sah, but, if she were older than Hatice, her sister would probably show her respect due to her age per Ottoman custom.
Hatice's actress is phenomenal!
Yes, her acting was truly outstanding!!!
Calling Sah by her full name is like someone calling me by my first and middle name... It feels like she's in trouble 😂
It hurts me when hatice found her belongings down there. I hate ibrahim, hatice and suleyman other siblings . But i understand something, even tho ibrahim cheated her, it's not easy to give up on love. If only she is not blaming hurrem for everything and fought her, i'll support her :( i understand her love for ibrahim so much. Love is not easy, you won't understand until it happens to you. You'll blind for it. You'll neglect everything and everyone around you. Bcs it hurted you so much.
For goodness sake, to end this whole bowing debate once and for all, here's the deciding point from Leslie Pierce's _The Imperial Harem_ . Now please stop applying Western takes to the Ottoman harem (you're not even doing it right).
"The haseki, a slave concubine and no blood relation to the reigning sultan ranked higher than the sultan's own sisters and aunts, the princesses of the dynasty. Her elevated royal status derived from the fact that she was the mother of a potential future sultan."
Finally, thank you. It irritates me how they talk so sure when they don't read the freaking history! HURREM IS ABOVE SULEIMAN SISTERS AND THEY BOW TO HER. What's so damn hard to understand for some people.
Thank you for this!
Also, she wasn't merely the Haseki Sultana but his wife, an Empress of the Ottoman Empire.
In China, Indonesia & Western world a full blood royal status is higher than a slave concubine.
Anyway, will Mihrimah bow to Nurbanu during Selim's reign?
@@ChickenSoup736 no, because mihrimah was valide sultan by Selim. Nurbanu must bow to her. And yes ottoman dynasty is different than the usual as you mentioned :)
So even though the letter was fake, Sah was in love with Ibrahim? This is starting to get ridiculous. She’s the third women who fell hopelessly in love with him. What’s so incredible special with him?
Yes hahaha
He had looks, charm, wit, talent and eventually power. Esp since the Sultan is very clos with him. He was not a mere man
Sociopathy can be attractive and intoxicating.
Hetice a stupid
Also, there's no back story to this so called "love". Sah Sultan doesn't even appear earlier in the show like Beyhan does when her husband is beheaded. Where's the logic. No better than Indian soaps, I'm beginning to think :-P though the acting is far, far superior! Also, I'm a bit out of patience with my crush Suleiman. If he was so "magnificent", why did he not maintain a better balance of power between his courtiers? Ibrahim, no favourite of mine, may not have lost his head that way.
I noticed Sha’s dresses often have teeth around her chest. Even her dresses are aggressive
They are going to drive that poor woman ( Hatice ) totally crazy. They are mean and evil to do this to her.
She brought it on herself
She shouldn't have been obsessed with Ibrahim
.... and they destroyed all things associated with her husband and his memory like the statues he created, many items in his home, etc. They even moved other people into her home after they killed her husband. And, everyone is telling her she has no right and should not be angry or upset...that she should just go play “tennis” and have little afternoon parties with her friends like nothing g has happened. Talk about a crazy making environment!
....AND, they moved all her belongings ( her personal stuff ) into what appears to be a damp cave without telling her!
@@kellyyork3898 agree. They didn't treat Hatice right
Thank you for adding this material.
Hurrem letter might be fake but it speaks the truth haha get rekt shahuban. You start the whole 'blood' again few mins later after this scene and hurrems answer is the truth: she's above you, like it or not, and it's wrong that she bows to them in series, it misleads a lot of people who don't read history.
Hatice stood💪💪💪💪 up for💯💯💯💯 herself/reclaiming her palace plus put that sly/sneakkkkkkyyyyyyyyy Shah in her rightful place❗❗❗‼️‼️‼️‼️I, truly admire the way she loved Ibrahim, Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww❗❗❗‼️‼️‼️‼️
"Awwwww"?? You think her UNHEALTHY obsession with Ibrahim, whom she only cared for and neglected her children because of it, is "Awwwwwww"?!?
The letter isn’t fake Hurrem found it in Ibrahims chest lol and gave it to Matice lol Ibrahims secrets are all spilled out because he was not a good man
The root of all the sorrow is Mahiedevran.
1. She made Hurrem a momster.
2. She poisin Mustafa and Ibrahin.
Hatice is very loyal to Ibrahim. If there is no Mahiedevran, then Ibrahim will not cover for Mahiedevran and will not fight against Hurrem.
True if hurrem and ibrahim was friends then this wouldn't happen
And if there was no hurrem in general there would be no sorrow
@@lillyypondsxz8027 I doubt it, the Ottoman Empire wasn't a place that fostered happy, idealized relationships between family members, sadly.
But dont you think hurren stole mahis place
In the real history, Bitu Mirza Mustafa Pasa a.ka. Mahidevran's brother is a vizer who also Ibrahim's best friend
Liking Hatice These First 2 minutes!
shahhuban so beautiful
Both Hatice and Shah Sultan are above Hurrem Sultan because they are Sultanas by blood. Do you people expect Mihrimah Sultan to bow down to Nurbanu?
Love how you phrased that
Never thought it that way and honestly never thought of shah and hatice bowing to hurrem. But you pointed out facts💯
They are not above hurrem in real life, only series. In real life, they bowed to Hurrem. Nurbanu bowed to mihrimah because mihrimah was VALIDE SULTAN by selim, otherwise she would bow to nurbanu too. Read some history and stop believing the series in these matters. Haseki is above royal princesses.
@@DimSK. that's all fine and jazz we know it's drama , we're pointing out how in the drama the things are potrayed and making conclusions off that. Nobody's trying to belittle your precious hurrem , chill
@@justanotherhumanbean5876 I'm chill but I can't stand it when you guys are trying to change history facts simply because you don't like hurrem or because you have deep faith in series...
Hatice is exaggerated...ohh plz girl Ibrahim is dead not cuz of Hurrem but cuz Sultan Sully said so he has the final say. Also u Hatice were always against Hurrem for no reason she is still the mother of 5 of ur nieces and nephews. If she removed herself from all of this she would be fine along with her husband.
Hatice and shahuban,, their lips are both very cute.. one is something like horse's lip.. and the other look like flip of armal.. u can guest ?
Hatice slightly looks like a Korean Star, IU or Indonesian star, Chelsea Islan, while Sah looks like Dian Sastro
@@ChickenSoup736 Hatice actually reminds me of Julie Estelle
@@Zaramakeupartist Yeah. Since Julie Estelle is part French part Chinese Indonesian
The fact that they tossed her things like that....
Yes. Totally evil to do that to Hatice.
SAh is the prettiest
sibling rivalry in a dinasty is really highly complicated.. especially because this is a drama tv show 😝😝
I think she loved him far too much he didnt deserve her love and y is shah in her palace
Wawwwwwwww hats off hureem ji
Wait shah is inlove with Ibrahim in the past?
She was yes , this letter was made by Hurrem but the content is true.
@@DimSK. wow smart hurrem she know everything 😂
@@DimSK. how did hurrem know shah was once in love with ibrahim?
@@ezza.h6785 sumbul agha told her, sumbul knows everything xD
@@DimSK. :) Dear Sumbul! He is a gem in these series!
nobody deserves this type of pain
Whitch episode is this?
She didn't really think that hurrem was so "nice" and did her a favor for nothing right? lol
which episode pliz tell me
In the description there's a link.
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Hatice was the Full sister. shah the half sister but younger. So who is higher?
They are equal, their father is the previous sultan. In series, Shah is full sister too lol.
@@DimSK. didn’t see her when the mother died.
@@DimSK. then it would be age. But I didn’t see her while the mom was alive.
@@kristinesharp6286 she said she went to funeral but we never saw her haha. Either way, all royal sisters are equal, they don't bow to each other and they talk the same . The elder is just married to grand vizier (usually)
@@kristinesharp6286 The thing that makes this difficult is that a lot of it comes down to the show's inconsistent writing. In history, she's suspected to have been born to a different consort, but, in the show, they changed her to be Hatice's full blooded sister. There's no listed birthdate for Sah, but, if she were older than Hatice, her sister would probably show her respect due to her age per Ottoman custom.
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A fake letter written by nazli
Hurrem servant she entered a game between 2 sultanas
And will pay for
Nazli will pay for this
Onther hurrem victim
Poor nazli
Will pay for hurrems doings
Who's nazli and what will happen to her?