Edit: Enjoy the interaction while it lasts, as Deconstruct will be nerfed come Final Shape. For those looking for a slightly more info on deconstruct on a single target All other magazines (including High Explosive Ordinance with a magazine size of 4, and Mini Frags with magazine size 7) returns ammo every 3 hits. While the deconstruct buff is inactive (initial procc), deconstruct will refund 2 ammo. While the deconstruct buff IS active (sustaining fire), deconstruct will refund 1 ammo. Being said, waiting out the deconstruct buff will allow you to stretch your ammo very far. Older video th-cam.com/video/TjCeKCOxh1I/w-d-xo.html
Bro for real. I always thought it was a trash perk so never bothered using it but the only one I had at the time had field prep and deconstruct so I threw it on anywayd and used it in onslaught and that thing is awesome. The ammo economy is insane. I thought deconstruct would only proc when hitting constructs but it procs on anything. Kept on wondering where I was getting all this ammo from only to realize deconstruct literally regenerates ammo on sustained damage on any target. Comes in so clutch on the waves with nothing but yellow bars
deconstruct is actually so gas, i got one with spike/minifrags, envious and deconstruct & it absolutely slaps most bosses trying to get one with cascade point too which i think will be an insane combo
The craziest ammo efficiency perk on a gl, and cascade point together with it. Free dps honestly might pick this roll up for when I feel like kicking back during damage (or if there is any construct/vehicle boss I need to worry about)
Sticky nades gives a proper second hit from the GL per shot, because it deals the impact damage as a true and proper separate hit and then deals the explosion damage on a slight delay later as opposed to the normal instance of both impact and explosion damage at the same time that counts as 1 singular hit. This causes Sticky Nades to interact with Deconstruct's "sustained damage" clause twice per shot rather than once. This is speculation.
@@ammonbergevin5302Yep, that's exactly the case! For Tusk, both the grenade and the wave blast that comes from the grenade are seperate hits. These hits add to a counter that, when met or succeeded, does the refunding. With THIS, though, here's the sauce for Edge: both the impact and the blast are seperate hits. Two hits per shot add up to give Edge more ammo. Sticky Grenades add on a THIRD HIT onto this combo, allowing you to reliably fill the counter. This results in Edge Transit basically being the chad version of Prospector, a whole ass obselete exotic.
Since they've fixed how Deconstruct works with Tusk of the Boar, has that changed the need for sticky nades at all? I've seen some speculation on how sticky nades are interacting with Deconstruct and it seems like there isn't a super clear answer.
Did a test after the patch and everything seems unchanged for Edge Transit. Stickies still refund on every other hit, assuming the stickies detonate on impact and don't just stick without exploding. If they do just stick and you end up stacking grenades before they explode (happens sometimes), it just gets a little weird and you'll miss a refund or two, but not too much an impact imo. All the other magazines are also unaffected, taking 3 hits to refund ammo, refunding 2 shots when the deconstruct buff is not active (initial proc), and 1 shot while the deconstruct buff is active (sustaining fire). This includes High Explosive Ordinance which only has a magazine size of 4.
Is it only on Sticky Grenades, or is this just an intrinsic effect of the impact and explosion both counting as hits toward the internal counter for Deconstruct?
I got one without sticky and could not reproduce the ammo refund shown in this video. So it’s gotta be sticky grenades with deconstruct. Smaller the magazine, the better.
I've tested the other base 6 and 7 (mini-frag or extended mag mod) size magazines and they all refunded only after 3 hits. It's a bit weird, where when Deconstruct is not active, it'll refund 2 shots, but while Deconstruct is active it only refunds 1 shot (basically triple tap). Technically you'd be able to stretch your ammo much more with those by waiting out the Deconstruct buff, but that would be terrible for DPS of course. For some reason High Explosive Ordinance (base 4 magazine) also only refunds after 3 hits, but the math says it should only take 2 hits. Explosive payloads seem to count weird with Deconstruct, but the stickies seem to help in some strange way under the hood, and this is all assuming you're only hitting a single target and not a bunch of ads.
Someone commented on another video and said it does help when clearing ads, sometimes enough to refund on just one shot, but it was sometimes inconsistent.
yes! i have been only running a auto-loading, deconstruct Edge since release, and i have the envious, Bns "godroll" it gives about 15 or so free shots, maybe 6 per mag. decon wins on total damage, by far keep in mind mag enhancing perks are less dmg on deconstruct
I didn't have boss spec equipped which might be why. It's also a neomuna lost sector that caps your light level, but it was the easiest way to get a tanky boss that could survive multiple volleys. Karls bigger brother basically
@@lighfless you should try picking up the checkpoint from the Calus final boss fight in the campaign. It starts with a free rally flag and the cp itself never goes away. So long as you dont kill him in his second phase you have a permenant testing room.
The lost sectors on neomuna have beefier enemies, red bars have more health then say root of nightmares raid. Basically the roll is about total damage overall, not burst dps. Because you can get a bunch of ammo back for free.
The extra damage only worked on constructs, actually. The ammo regen, though? That is always working, no matter if your target is a structure or Randal the Vandal.
@dpap123 no it won't it'll still be shit for damage. Literally no better than Envious + Cascade which allows you to fire 21 shots without reloading Deconstruct shows some promise in the first column but that's it.
@@admiraltraunt6150 With envious though you get 21 shots in first mag, then 6 shots in each successive mag after that up to reserve cap that you have to proc cascade on Cascade+Decon is 12 in every single mag at cascade speed, you have to reload+proc cascade much less and you have higher total reserves
@dpap123 that's shit for sustained dps was my point. Not having to fire 21 rounds without reloading and proccing Cascade is better sustained dps. Cascade with Envious is also better sustained dps. What you're arguing for is total damage. Which if a GL with something like a surrounded or bait n switch rolls with is better total damage. Deconstruct is best when it's a first perk column that can pair with damage perks because it's essentially FTTC.
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Edit: Enjoy the interaction while it lasts, as Deconstruct will be nerfed come Final Shape.
For those looking for a slightly more info on deconstruct on a single target
All other magazines (including High Explosive Ordinance with a magazine size of 4, and Mini Frags with magazine size 7) returns ammo every 3 hits.
While the deconstruct buff is inactive (initial procc), deconstruct will refund 2 ammo.
While the deconstruct buff IS active (sustaining fire), deconstruct will refund 1 ammo.
Being said, waiting out the deconstruct buff will allow you to stretch your ammo very far.
Older video
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deconstruct finally getting put on guns it can interact with well is so nice
Bro for real. I always thought it was a trash perk so never bothered using it but the only one I had at the time had field prep and deconstruct so I threw it on anywayd and used it in onslaught and that thing is awesome. The ammo economy is insane. I thought deconstruct would only proc when hitting constructs but it procs on anything. Kept on wondering where I was getting all this ammo from only to realize deconstruct literally regenerates ammo on sustained damage on any target. Comes in so clutch on the waves with nothing but yellow bars
Rip
@@TheCurlyfryBaggins IM SO SAD
finally destiny's version of ammo efficiency from warframe
Cant wait for cascade point to be reenable
deconstruct is actually so gas, i got one with spike/minifrags, envious and deconstruct & it absolutely slaps most bosses
trying to get one with cascade point too which i think will be an insane combo
It might dumb the mag too fast and cause a hold up but still nice asl
Overflowed mag does not proc deconstruct. so either cascade or autoloading is the pick for deconstruct.
gas....cringe
@@InTheZone85and your still sayin cringe so what’s your point 🤡😂
Wdym? It does
The craziest ammo efficiency perk on a gl, and cascade point together with it. Free dps honestly might pick this roll up for when I feel like kicking back during damage (or if there is any construct/vehicle boss I need to worry about)
I don't understand why sticky is important? Is it getting another hit tag registration that I don't know about?
I think it's similar to how the tusk of the boar counts direct hits as two hits or something, will definitely need to find this roll
Sticky nades gives a proper second hit from the GL per shot, because it deals the impact damage as a true and proper separate hit and then deals the explosion damage on a slight delay later as opposed to the normal instance of both impact and explosion damage at the same time that counts as 1 singular hit. This causes Sticky Nades to interact with Deconstruct's "sustained damage" clause twice per shot rather than once. This is speculation.
@@ammonbergevin5302Yep, that's exactly the case! For Tusk, both the grenade and the wave blast that comes from the grenade are seperate hits. These hits add to a counter that, when met or succeeded, does the refunding.
With THIS, though, here's the sauce for Edge: both the impact and the blast are seperate hits. Two hits per shot add up to give Edge more ammo. Sticky Grenades add on a THIRD HIT onto this combo, allowing you to reliably fill the counter.
This results in Edge Transit basically being the chad version of Prospector, a whole ass obselete exotic.
@@burgscratch6301 but there are only two damage numbers for each shot though. I dont understand where you get the third hit from
@@kleeskb4037that's because the person has no idea what they're talking about.
Best Destiny 2 video, Pulitzer Prize worthy.
I too have now felt this… it’s magical. I’ll be here a while. lol
so the god god god roll is envious + cascade and bns + deconstruct with some combination of minifrags spike and sticky
It's what I'm thinking
This GL is a monster in onslaught on a volatile void build.
Since they've fixed how Deconstruct works with Tusk of the Boar, has that changed the need for sticky nades at all? I've seen some speculation on how sticky nades are interacting with Deconstruct and it seems like there isn't a super clear answer.
Did a test after the patch and everything seems unchanged for Edge Transit. Stickies still refund on every other hit, assuming the stickies detonate on impact and don't just stick without exploding. If they do just stick and you end up stacking grenades before they explode (happens sometimes), it just gets a little weird and you'll miss a refund or two, but not too much an impact imo.
All the other magazines are also unaffected, taking 3 hits to refund ammo, refunding 2 shots when the deconstruct buff is not active (initial proc), and 1 shot while the deconstruct buff is active (sustaining fire). This includes High Explosive Ordinance which only has a magazine size of 4.
@@lighfless Really appreciate the testing, cool find!
I got this exact roll the other day and put it away. I'm glad I kept it.
Is it only on Sticky Grenades, or is this just an intrinsic effect of the impact and explosion both counting as hits toward the internal counter for Deconstruct?
I got one without sticky and could not reproduce the ammo refund shown in this video. So it’s gotta be sticky grenades with deconstruct. Smaller the magazine, the better.
@@pmo24 good to know, thanks!
I've tested the other base 6 and 7 (mini-frag or extended mag mod) size magazines and they all refunded only after 3 hits. It's a bit weird, where when Deconstruct is not active, it'll refund 2 shots, but while Deconstruct is active it only refunds 1 shot (basically triple tap). Technically you'd be able to stretch your ammo much more with those by waiting out the Deconstruct buff, but that would be terrible for DPS of course.
For some reason High Explosive Ordinance (base 4 magazine) also only refunds after 3 hits, but the math says it should only take 2 hits.
Explosive payloads seem to count weird with Deconstruct, but the stickies seem to help in some strange way under the hood, and this is all assuming you're only hitting a single target and not a bunch of ads.
Would chain reaction hits also work to proc deconstruct? Would be the ultimate add clear / total damage combination heavy weapon.
Someone commented on another video and said it does help when clearing ads, sometimes enough to refund on just one shot, but it was sometimes inconsistent.
yes! i have been only running a auto-loading, deconstruct Edge since release, and i have the envious, Bns "godroll" it gives about 15 or so free shots, maybe 6 per mag. decon wins on total damage, by far
keep in mind mag enhancing perks are less dmg on deconstruct
And I thought I was done farming Onslaught.
Oh wrll, back into the Vostok mines.
so,if u deal with fallen big machine or tank or servitor, u can shot 12 gl rounds
Not the fallen big machine or servitor
it feels so good. love this GL
That roll you have is very good for quick dumping and doing hella damage while saving plenty of ammo
fun fact, you can use witherhoard instead of sticky grenades
Isnt this how Deconstrct normally works with Edge Transit? What do stickies have to do with it?
Stickies can refund on every other hit, while all the other magazines refund every 3 hits. This is assuming you're just shooting at a single target.
Dude this with cascade is gonna go completely insane
fourth times the charm but grenade launcher
Whats the diference between this and spike granades? I see 11 to 12 shots on both
All the other magazine perks seem to refund ammo every 3 hits, from what I've tested. Sticky grenades refunds every 2 hits.
Hmmm ok@@lighfless
have a roll with explosive ordenance, but it doesn't seem to proc as good as sticky, guess i gotta get another one
I am, sadly, the bearer of bad news. In Final Shape deconstruct will reload from reserves
I dont get it. Can someone explain whats happening?
Basically Fourth Time's the Charm, but on a Grenade Launcher
Trying to get a field prep+deconstruction roll for maximum total damage. I already got a spike, envious with bait and switch.
Only get 2 shots extra I think? I would go auto loading so you can use special while it reloads . maybe enhanced is more
I got Sticky Grenades, Chain Reaction and Deconstruct also frenzy as well. I’m happy ^^
Now this is interesting
What the Hell?! the Advertisment was longer than the damn video!
WWwhy does deconstruct work on this boss?
sustain dmg also proc that perk
Am i crazy or is this dealing reduced damage?
I didn't have boss spec equipped which might be why. It's also a neomuna lost sector that caps your light level, but it was the easiest way to get a tanky boss that could survive multiple volleys. Karls bigger brother basically
@@lighfless you should try picking up the checkpoint from the Calus final boss fight in the campaign. It starts with a free rally flag and the cp itself never goes away. So long as you dont kill him in his second phase you have a permenant testing room.
am i crazy or does this look like it isnt even doing much? wtf am i missing?
The lost sectors on neomuna have beefier enemies, red bars have more health then say root of nightmares raid. Basically the roll is about total damage overall, not burst dps. Because you can get a bunch of ammo back for free.
I think this is teh beefiest lost sector boss in teh game
It’s about the same damage as a envious, BnS version which is pretty crazy for firing only the heavy GL
fun while it lasted xD
I got this roll but it had envious on hit
What does FTTC mean?
Fourth times the charm
gilded precept? In my destiny recommended feed
I thought deconstruct only worked on constructs?
The extra damage only worked on constructs, actually. The ammo regen, though? That is always working, no matter if your target is a structure or Randal the Vandal.
Wtf is FTTC? is it really that hard to type a few extra letters?
Fourth Time's the Charm. Not that hard, but I was just trying to fit it all on one line.
thats a normal gl
Wtf is this broooo
Cool inreraction shit damage
When cascade gets enabled it will be insane lol brrrr
@dpap123 no it won't it'll still be shit for damage. Literally no better than Envious + Cascade which allows you to fire 21 shots without reloading
Deconstruct shows some promise in the first column but that's it.
@@admiraltraunt6150 With envious though you get 21 shots in first mag, then 6 shots in each successive mag after that up to reserve cap that you have to proc cascade on
Cascade+Decon is 12 in every single mag at cascade speed, you have to reload+proc cascade much less and you have higher total reserves
@dpap123 that's shit for sustained dps was my point. Not having to fire 21 rounds without reloading and proccing Cascade is better sustained dps.
Cascade with Envious is also better sustained dps.
What you're arguing for is total damage. Which if a GL with something like a surrounded or bait n switch rolls with is better total damage. Deconstruct is best when it's a first perk column that can pair with damage perks because it's essentially FTTC.
@@admiraltraunt6150 fair that makes sense, I still am skeptical so gonna wait for the footage / calcs of cascade but I wouldn't doubt you're right