We just updated our P3 ranger to the new V6 ranger, you will be blown away with the difference .. GCM 6400kg ,10 speed auto, quiet and heaps of torque, better fuel economy.
Give the Everest a go. My 2017 Everest has 150k. It's taken the family up and down the eastern seaboard many times with a loaded trailer in tow. It's a beautiful riding SUV that has been a pleasure to drive. No issues, no squeaks, no problems.
Hey good video Keelan I'm a ranger owner and happy, but i do agree about putting 3.5t behind them is not logical and a lot of marketing hype, its also the same with Dmax , hilux etc any of the other dual cab utes in that sector that claim the same is technically correct? But in the real world it's not practical. if you need to tow 3.5 ton you need to step up to a bigger size shirt?
Thanks kutta! Like I said great car we enjoyed it! Fuel economy, power, creature comforts and price point all brilliant!! If it wasn’t for the funny GCM rating that miss leading I would be all for it!! Yeah it’s not just Ford rangers that’s right!! I havnt driven any though so can’t really comment! Thought NZ was a great test for the ranger! Thanks for the comment! 🤙🏽🍻
Ford is famous here in the States for fudging the towing capacities of its trucks. There are a few apps that help people figure out payload and towing. Great review thank
As a long term Ranger owner, what you say about legal tow weights is correct. A Ranger, aside from the new model, cannot tow 3500kgs in any practical legal sense. About 3100kgs is its limit. I have a 2015 PX1 3.2 6 speed auto, which has now towed our 3 tonne van over most of Australia. In fact it has recently completed it 5th trip across the continent and back with the van on the back plus a number of shorter more local trips. The only issue we have ever had with the vehicle was a split turbo hose from the intercooler to the throttle body on the last trip, which was easily repaired with a new hose. Other than that the vehicle has been utterly reliable. Comfort wise we feel that the comfort levels are very good and we came out of a coil sprung vehicle to the Ranger and think that the Ranger is more comfortable. With it's long wheelbase it rides very well. We have the Wildtrak model. We do use a weight distribution hitch which does smooth out some of the bumps a little although with it's inbuilt trailer stability control the Ranger is an excellent tow vehicle to start with. Would I buy another one? Absolutely! Love my Ranger and will be looking at the new V6 model at some future point.
Similar to my experience. But not much distance travelled yet. Important to set up the hitch so that on level ground, the van is basically level when hitched. Keelans didn't look level.
I tow my 2.5T caravan with a 2019 Colorado. No trouble 👍 I put a set of Airbagman & Toughdog adjustable shocks on the rear….perfect 👌 Levels the vehicle with 20psi & no bouncing. Makes towing very comfortable. I’ve ordered the new Ranger V6 Sport with the touring pack. The clincher was the power/torque & the rear wheel disc brakes 👍 Due in October 🤞
From someone in and out of the industry, there is only 1 choice, Y62 Patrol. and with the government stay at home diesel tax its a no brainer!!!!!!!! Enjoy Sarah and Keelan!!!
Love your videos Keelan. I have owned a 3.2 Ranger and currently have a BiTurbo 10sp and the BiTurbo tows our heavy Horse float way more easily although our 3.2 was still very good. With the 3.2 we towed in “S” mode as per the manual and it seemed better. As we have a new Titanium van arriving in 8 weeks which should tow at about 3000 - 3100kg I have ordered the new V6 Wildtrak… mainly for the 6400 GCM Keep up the great work…
Australia is one of the only countries that allows the tow to weigh more than the towing vehicle in the private/recreation vehicle space. There has to be a good reason for that I presume, and simple physics would suggest the if the tow weighs more that the tug, the tow is in charge of the tug when shit gets real, rather than the other way around. Those massive land-barges you see being towed by 2 tonne tare dual cabs are just accidents looking for a place happen IMO and I have no doubt most of those highly accessorised dual cabs are way over their GVM when hitched, if not their GCM too. If GVM/GCM/axle loadings etc were strictly enforced here, most of those rigs would be off the road. Thanks for the vid, love your work!
I tend to agree David! In terms with the physics of whos towing who? Obviously the engineers at Ford and other manufactures know what they are doing and everything is ADR approved! Cheers for the comment David!! 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
This isn't a problem in a well set up rig. Trucks do it all the time! It is all about dynamic stability brakes and other factors including weight distribution and 10% or more tow ball loading.
You would be surprised mate! A lot of people frying torque converters! Same as everything I don’t assume anyone knows anything when I make these videos!! Trying to be as beneficial and helpful to everyone!
Certainly are correct about bad reviews and on line there are so many BS fan boys and idiots who want to tow at the limit all the time. I had a personal discussion with one particular anti Ranger person with all these bad experiences and when I asked him about his car he had never had a Ranger just spat out BS. As for a real issue Toyota has a massive problem which has a bill of over two billion dollars for selling unreliable diesel cars flooded with issues yet some how these are unbreakable. Give me a new Hilux I am certain I can break it and it won't take long. Cars are big investments and if you are going to tow all the time with 3500kg then get a F150 or similar all the Utes and for that matter Landcruiser etc should not have more than 3000kg behind them.
I have a Toyota Prado and I am giving to my son when he gets he’s license next year, it’s a great 4x4 car it’s to good to trade in , so yesterday I went out and ordered a new Ford Ranger wildtrack V6 Diesel. This was a great episode, and I just love the way you say it the way you see it . 😃🥇👍 all the best until next week 🦘🦘🦘👍😃🍷🍻
What a good dad! Wish my old boy gave me one haha 😂 feel ripped off now haha 😂 Good on ya Paul! They look sick! Love the new look and the towing stats are better now!! Thanks legend!! 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
@@SarahandKeelanTravels the both of you are very inspirational to young people and older people like me , Take care on the road 👍😃 and thank you very much for always getting back to me and everyone else 🌼🦋😃🏕
I bought a new Wildtrak, 3.2 diesel, straight five, assembled in Thailand - so, no AdBlue. Delivered in Oct 2021. $78K base, now $112K. If you don't spend the money for long term, you'll fail somewhere eventually. Straight engines have a better torque response than V-engines, they have a drive-line lash - it's unavoidable given the firing sequence. I upgraded my wheels and tyres to CSAs and Coopers 270/70/17 (down from 18s) which places the speedo at +/- 1Km/h at all speeds to 140Km/h. Good for 1420Kg on all four corners. The new twin scroll turbo, 10 speed Ranger will hunt gears - you just can't feel it; and will wear out the transmission and the oil feed to the turbo before you know it when overlanding. The BT50 and the Ranger are the same vehicle except that the Ranger has a larger roof height and a stronger chassis. I fitted a Utemaster canopy and cantilever rack, good for 270Kg - though, who wants that weight on their roof? It's better that 75-100Kg from other good brands. Most Toyotas are farm trucks and need to be built up to be an overlanding vehicle - I include the Hilux here. The Prado is also in need of an improvement build as it is a black top vehicle out of the box, like the Ranger. The Ranger needs about $15K to be an overlander and then more to be bullet-proof. A 600Kg GVM upgrade provides a 924Kg payload and should include greasable upper control arms. A rear leaf sprung vehicle needs to be constantly loaded - it's an uncomfortable ride to Woollies when unladen. ~$6K for a secondary build, pre-rego. The engine requires upgrades to the transmission cooling and intercooler; as well as the Transmission Thermostat Bypass. It also requires a removal of the valve body and installation of a full flow thermostat control valve. Add to that, a removal of the bypass factory heat exchanger. Then a dyno by a master tuner - 25% increase in power and 30% increase in torque without stress. All up about $11K. A Hayman Reece rear Xbar, spotties, winch, Jungle bull bar and side rails, and so on. Hope that helps.
Loved this Review, Running a 19 Ranger myself and although we only tow a Kimberly Kamper weighing 1100 kegs you we’re pretty spot on with your review…… good work
I have to disagree with you about the reliability of the Ford Ranger. We have a PK, a PX1, a PX2 and a PX3 and have never had any trouble with any of them. We are so happy with them all that we have just ordered a Next-Gen Wildtrak. If you ask around, you will find people who've had bad experiences with just about anything, doesn't mean they are all bad.
The 6R80 auto is very indecisive in stock form empty or loaded. We do quite a few ECM / TCM tunes along with the external trans cooler kit + the problematic trans thermostat bypass. Makes any PX series 3.2 auto or BT50 so much better for towing. More power, cooler trans temps and better economy and best of all is improved reliability.
As MJHmech states, No doubt the 6R80 can improved, starting with a decent front mounted trans cooler to replace the underwhelming Ford unit attached to the passenger side of trans, replace thermostatically controlled valve with bypass valve, upgrade the throttle body for firmer shifts, and definitely replace the early PX1 series torque converter known for weak welds around flex plate mounting bolts. The 6R80 Is quite a robust trans if it is kept cool and can be locked up, especially for heavy towing.
Interesting stuff for the two of us as owners of an over speced (after market) 2016 Mazda BT 50 manual twin cab just like your Ranger test vehicle. We purchased it second hand and weighed it down with winch, new bull bar, bash plates, extra rear leaves & front coils, rear step bumper bar, internal drawers & roof racks & 140 litre fuel tank. We tow an off road camper trailer with 1200 kg axle weight. We haven't done the calculations but must be close to the limit. The gear box is clunky in low gears but overall the rig has worked fine for us for 50,000 km's on and off road in four years. I am interested how different Ranger and Ford are given their joint manufacturing relationship.
Hey legends . Drove the new gen wildtrak . V6 3.0 l turbo diesel 10 speed auto . Gotta say after being a Toyota person forever very impressed . The new motor of 184kw and 600nm is beautiful and the soundless cab when windows up is amazing for a diesel . The grunt or pickup is sweet too . The 10” screen and 180 degree cameras is awesome as r the electric seats for both passenger and driver now and the telescopic steering wheel both up down and fwd rocks . So many amazing other features but cause we have to upgrade atm for a van from our hilux we r impressed . Still got the 6400 gcm to work with but now on board pree Rego with every accessory avail Inc in the 5 yr warranty with ARB it’s pree awesome too . Due to hilux not having the stats on power yet or Apple car play and just the new wider longer build of 50ml all round makes it feel beefy and look good with a great set of wheels and flares etc . Definitely worth a look but not the models below the wildtrak for me as not enough Lux . lol 😂
Thanks for the comment Darline! Love hearing people’s opinions on cars ect!! Epic!! They look sick too! A lot of creature comforts! Toyota is behind the pack on a fair few features hey!! Thanks again legend
Well put Keelan. I’m a Toyota guy too. It’s correct what you said about only hearing the horror stories. Apparently every 3 litre Nissan blew up at 80k. I know plenty of them still going strong. Great presentation, mate.
nice to see a Toyota man actually liking a Ford. Was peeved with a few comments you made but spoke the truth, try one you will be amazed at what it can do. Slow down on the highway it's not a race track enjoy the journey not just the destination. PS love ours. Happy adventures love seeing your clips.
Hi Bev, like I said I’m honest and I liked the car! Not trying to peev you off though! We love the ranger and did the job plus some! High respect for the rangers! Cheers Bev!!
Love my new V6 WT after coming from 2L WT. No major issues and certainly nothing that stopped me in my tracks. I'd buy another one tomorrow! Agree with the tow numbers being a problem in real world situations.
New Ford Ranger GCM is now 6400kg I tow a 2.5T caravan currently with a 2019 Colorado. I’ve now ordered the new Ford Ranger V6 Sport with the touring pack. Due at the end of October 👍
Just be mindful that GCM upgrades are not legal in WA. Only GVM upgrades. Anyone living in WA should not buy a vehicle thinking that they can upgrade the GCM to tow a bigger van. Rules vary from State to State so check out what you are allowed in your State prior to spending your hard earned.
Ok so to simplify; Ford’s claims of being able to “tow 3500kg” and having a maximum GCM of 6000kg are actually both true. You just cannot do both together if you wish to take anyone with you 😅
Yes correct but mate you have to no kids and nothing in the car to do it.. not very good tourer without spare water, parts, tools! That’s my only issue!!
New V6 Ranger with 6.4T GCM may solves the weight issues. All the other dual cab utes like Hilux, DMax etc. have been rendered obsolete by the New Ford range of trucks. But if towing 3.5T is a must, then an American truck should be the first option as even LC300 and Patrol don't have the payload to cope.
Sound awesome mate! They look the part too! Love the front ends on them! They look tough!! I personally think that it’s getting out of hand how much a dual cab can safely tow, and how much power they can get out of a 4-6 cylinder engine! They must be that highly strung!! Good on Ford though they are leading the way!! I would say 75% of vans we seee on the road would weigh 3.5t plus
You will not get the full benefit of the new GCM figure though as the kerb weight has increased by about 100kgs, so you will only get about a 300kg benefit.
@@RocketRod63 630kg-350kg ballweight from 3.5T van=280kg-100kg for usual towbar and Bullbar combo=180kg. So 180kg for passengers and any additional accesories. Jeez 🤦♂️
Biggest issue I've found as a boat builder is we build a boat and customer buys a normal stock standard trailer for it and the trailer is always more than what it is stamped at. I've seen tandem trailers stamped at 350kg that fit a 6-7m boat. We weigh them to make sure and they have been nearly 600kg empty. There would be heaps of people out there towing boats that are anywhere from 300-600kgs heavier than what's stamped. I couldnt imagine how many caravans are stamped the same.
@@SarahandKeelanTravels I would bet it's out by atleast 100kg. I don't know what your plans would be but it would be good to see a caravan review on stamped weights vs actual weights factory delivered.
@@SarahandKeelanTravels for the record we have a 16 px2 ranger dualcab and love it hahaha. Gmf front bar, moonlight snorkel, warn zeon 10000lb winch, aeroklas canopy, 80l water tank, 145l arb fuel tank, 3" lift, 305/75/17 tyres and rims, front locked on top of factory rear locker, typical solar and bcdc 2nd battery setup. We honestly have only ever had one issue, which was a top intercooler hose split on fraser Island otherwise never had 1 issue in 125k of travelling around aus etc etc. Been a really good car for us
Y62 Keelan. The price of diesel is still much higher than petrol too. So a factor to account for. Plus I think the LC200 is a little more expensive than Y62. The traction conrol is great. Independant suspension with coils all round, plus that clearance is good without the diff pumpkin. But if heart is set on Toyota for reliabilty and your dream car it's a tough one.
The midweek episodes are back!! I totally agree with you on everything you said Keelan. We will be looking to upgrade our set up in a few years time and will be looking for a 3200kg van instead of the 3500 and our Isuzu MuX with 3000kg towing to a dual cab with 3500 purely for the facts you listed and it will give that gvm and gcm on the vehicle a bit more room to play with. Great advice mate. Are you guys going a dual cab or wagon for your new vehicle? If I was to buy a brand new car today for touring it would probably be the new Ford ranger with the V6 diesel as it has the GCM of 6400kg that extra 400kg is a huge difference.
They are back but maybe not for long hahah a lot of work trying to do 2 a week!! Totally agree mate! It’s all a balancing act of GVM GCM GTM hahah Can’t answer that question just yet 😉😉 They look bloody good don’t they! You might be on the money!! 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
@@SarahandKeelanTravels I am so excited to hear of the new rig/set up you guys are going with, I'm sure itll be epic. When can we expect an announcement?
That’s right! We did the last part of the trip! Same as the Prado at home! tow is S4! A lot of people don’t know this though and just slap it into drive!
Hi. I'm new to your channel :-) I like your "down-to-earth" way of explaining things. My wife and I drive a 2020 Ford Ranger dual cab with a NorthStar pop-up camper on it. (Weighs in at 3200 kg fully loaded) We tow a trailer with our Jeep on it (2700 kg). It's only the 2,0 bi-turbo diesel and of cause it lacks power in the hills, but actually I'm impressed by how well it does. I would have thought it to do much worse. And we avg the same fuel economy as you speak of - around 15 l/100. The issue with the uncomfortable suspension when towing (or fully loaded for that matter) we experienced too. But that's easily fixed by adding a set of airbags to help the leaf springs maintain their optimal angle. fully loaded and towing we add apx. 15 psi in the airbags to get it up to normal ride height, and that practically eliminated that issue. All-in-all I think it's a fairly capable vehicle, with skid plates and rear e-locker straight out of the box. As for reliability, the only problem we've had is a crank position sensor failing after 5000 km, but that went on the warranty. (Only thing about that is, that Ford here in Sweden has, to say it least, a very poor customer service. I hope for you guys that it's way better in Australia) We've been driving it for 2 years and 25000 km now ... We came from a 2010 Ford Ranger super cab, and this new model is, in our opinion an upgrade to a whole other level. Only thing we are not really fans of is all (unnecessary) warning sound and beeping, "driving assists" and that whole part. It's just too much, and, in our opinion, more irritating than helpful.
Gday mate thanks for the comment and welcome to the channel! Cheers for the info!! I guess you only ever hear the bad stuff! I think the ranger went well! I just think the weight specs let it down a little!! 🤙🏽🍻 cheers mate
Perfect tow vehicle if you don't want to tow, $65-$70 grand for a ute that's not all that comfortable at there tow limit straight out of the box tricky gearboxes. Good luck with that, thanks for your honest post.
Agree 100% re: 3.5 tonne towing capacity. I'm a Ranger owner and love it, but is not a 3.5 tonne tug, my estimation would be a 2.7 tonne max tow weight.
Hello Keelan, we have been watching your channel for some time now and really appreciate the places you have been and your adventures. Whilst I agree with your comment regarding the GCM of the older Ford Ranger you drove, it is possible to tow a 21ft 6" caravan loaded and stay within the GCM limits. We have done so for the past 2 years and have regularly checked our weights especially when travelling in Queensland. For a young man you have certainly done some travelling and towing, but as you admitted yourself you have only ever driven Toyota vehicles until the trip to NZ. You are entitled to your opinion on what you think about the Ford Ranger, but having driven various makes and models of cars, trucks etc. (including Toyota and Ford) for the last 50 years, I do not believe you gave an totally unbias opinion of the Ford Ranger based on your trip in NZ. You are too bias toward Toyota and need to get out into the big wide world and drive lots of other vehicles, then you can make some comments. As for the bumpy ride when towing the caravan, that does not make sense, especially basing it on the leaf vs coil spring suspension. There must have been some issue (i.e. Shock absorber) with the vehicle you drove to cause that problem. We have not found this to be the case with our or other peoples Rangers we have travelled in whilst towing a van or other heavy loaded trailer. As mentioned by yourself and other comments below the value for money of the Ford Ranger compared with Toyota Prado or Landcruiser in Excellent. If fact it is only recently that Toyota started fitting Sat Nav, Android/Apple car play and reversing cameras to the Prado or Landcruiser vehicles. Also for your information the "Ford has confirmed the new Ranger and Everest have a maximum braked towing capacity of 3500kg across the entire range. Payload is up to 741kg, gross vehicle mass (GVM) is up to 3150kg, and gross combination mass (GCM) is 6250kg across the entire range." Keep up the great work and videos and safe travels.
At about 11 mins into the video you see a side view. The tow ball on the Ranger looks too low so the van is leaning onto its front axle etc. Needs a different shank/adaptor. We only tow about 2.8 ton van behind our Ranger. Haven't had a proper long trip yet. Only about 800km. I remember thinking it towed really sweetly, don't remember poor ride at all. I reckon set the rig up properly and it will tow very comfortably, perhaps better than when not towing.
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Going down hills with a diesel it's better to use Ur engine to slow down the vehicle or maintain speed it helps with brake temps and stops brake fade. Also while decelerating even if the rpm is reading 3500rpm there isn't actually fuel going into cylinders like there is with 3500rpm accelerating under load. Just FYI.
just ordered the new ranger sport 2 litre. trading my reliable colorado . im hoping it tows as well as im pulling 216 franklin. all the research ive done says ok and a mate pulls a network rv ok with his no problems . great content as well
I’ve ordered the V6 Ranger Sport. I have a 19’6 Millard which I currently tow with my 2019 Colorado V6 with more power & torque plus rear wheel disc brakes 👍
Narh GCM on a 200 is 6850kg and the towing capacity is 3.5t + a standard gvm of 3350kg which is good! Kerb weight is 600kg less than GVM which is like nothing aswell!!
Never been a Ford fan, purchased a Ranger Wildtrak PX2 in 2017 and a van. Was very aware of the weight conundrums that face all brands when you nut it out. I am one that tows pretty much stock standard, except for one thing, I had the PX2 tuned to some 600nm and 200kw, turned out to be a great decision, would have to dig up my spreadsheets on various trips but I remember the best and worst, best was 13 per 100 between Barcaldine and Winton, worst was 19.8 between Narrabri and Coonabarabran into a massive headwind, I was getting 7's not towing on the highway and 9's around town. Average towing I am guessing would have been in the high 15's to low 16's. Would be towing 3 tonnes or a bit better, our leaving home GCM in 2019 on the way to Tasmania was 5.980 tonnes, full of fuel and water. Have had the new V6 Wildtrak now for nearly 2 months, been on a fuel discovery trip, it is OK, waiting to see when a tune gets written for it and will see how much extra that gives. Average fuel on that 1200kms was 16.3. GCM of course now 6400 but the interesting bit was front axle loading, too much to go into here. Jury still out on this next gen ranger, will see how it is travelling when I have 40 or 50 thousand on the clock. I had done 120000 kms in the PX2, paid 65K for it and sold it for 52K so a good return there. Think I will do some significant cash on this one though just because of the way the world is changing. Not sure I have become a Ford fan yet, but was happy with the PX2 Wildtrak and will see how this one goes. It is certainly heavier on juice around town, but heavier car and as yet not tuned.
Sounds like you could be a Ford fan they are pretty good numbers mate!! Very impressive! Do you think the tune was a “game changer” in terms of fuel economy and power? They are great cars just GCM let them down. New ones have a much higher GCM but it boils down to if you actually want to put 3.5t behind a 2.5t car if you know what I mean
Excellent review of the Ford ranger guys, I think you hit most of the really good & bad points fairly.. I agree with all the points you made here Keelan, and my wife said she would not have married me if I had a Ford, or is it, she would divorce me if I got one? I think both were mentioned. So getting & keeping my attention to watch ur review is a big plus for Ford from this sector, you had me thinking about it for awhile there, but I love my wife, & Toyota’s too of course. As you said reliability is very important, I recently asked a friend why he keeps getting Landrovers that he is always working on and he said, “because they are cheap”, so I said, “are they”, Ive been driving Toyotas for the last 35 years and have hardly ever worked on any of them, I drive them, service them, and get most of my money back when I sell or trade them, latest 2 are worth more than paid for years ago, so for me, yeah, Toyota’s are actually cheapish in that respect and they always get me home. Cheers
Hi guys, love your stuff. Don't forget that the towball download weight is also part of the GVM. Lots of people overlook that which can be expensive if your insurer wants to wash it's hands of you and walk away from your claim, should things turn pear-shaped.
Thanks mate! Well aware of this! You’re right though!! A lot of people we talk to about caravans think they are under until you say “what about your ball weight” there face normally says it all haha 😂 cheers Rob
Use the ZF manually when towing. It’s quite smart, blip to downshift ect. The average joe blow is dare I say it a peanut, if you have the know how, drive the car to its potential, that’s selecting gears manually.
In NZ we have the LDV D90, rear is coils and the GCM is 6200kg, 3100kg a peice. We are only towing 2T however fully loaded, family of 6, 2 boxer dogs, 4 bikes on the roof with the van in tow we find it extremely comfortable vs. our previous Kia Sorento.
Many dual cab Utes are in the same boat. Why pick on the Ranger? The Triton has a short wheelbase and the chassis bends with way less weight than a Ranger. Also does it have a Tow/Haul mode?
Why do so many people want such large heavy vans, especially if you do not have children with you? People seem to be keen to have as heavy a set up as possible as some sort of badge of honour. I have a 15' 5" (7' wide) semi-off road poptop van @ 1.4 ton max gtm. I bet I can take it more places, more easily, with way less stress on my tow vehicle (diesel, manual, hilux 4x4), with lower fuel consumption, than these large heavy vans.
Hi Keelan. Good work on the review mate. Just one thing about the comfort side of your review. I noticed when watching your NZ vlog that the front of the van and the rear of the car were very low. With the unlevel towing set-up I think this may have contributed to a rougher ride at the rear of the ute. I know you had no control over setting it up, but I think it would have towed much better level. I'm surprised it didn't adversely affect the handling. I agree on the towing weight. I don't think you should tow anything too much heavy than your car, to avoid the old dog wagging the tail syndrome, regardless of what the GCM is. Cheers Greg
Totoally agree Greg!! It was a hire car with a standard level tongue so was for sure not setup correctly!! With a good solid suspension kit it would ride and look a lot more level!! Cheers Greg! Appreciate you comment 🤙🏽🍻
Don’t understand the comfort comment. How can you compare a Ute (Ranger) with an SUV (Prado). Compare the the Ranger with a HiLux, or compare the Prado with an Everest which also has rear coil suspension, not leaf springs.
comparing leaf to coils is something people have to compare to make a decision between a ute and a wagon.. the comparison is still super relevant. do you want a sore back with a canopy or no sore back with no canopy haha thats the real question
That’s the same with all vehicles, irrespective of the manufacturers . They all say they can tow this or that, however, when combined you find out you need a GVM upgrade its a joke from all of them. Pretty much can only tow a camper trailer under 2t even less with the wagons (landcruser, prado mu-x and alike)
Toyota are good, the Prado and 200 series are Max GVM plus tow cap = GCM so not an issue! We tow 2.5t with our Prado and have it loaded to Max gvm too and we are legal! Scott the GVM upgrade Dosnt inscrease your overall weight (GCM)! Cheers
I actually have a 3.5 ton van and a 2017 Ranger that i bought new, It has been very reliable and tows the van ok, But i must add i think it is at its limits, Having said that i have travelled through most of outback NSW and QLD at 110kmh with no problem at all and also getting good fuel economy at the same time compared to others, Thinking about upgrading. Have had a Landcruiser before and loved it but the price now is just ridiculous and that's if you can even get one in the next 4 years waiting list? So now i might just have a look around for a bit and make up my mind🤔
Awesome John! It can do it though!! I was surprised with the amount of grunt!! Really rate your comment mate very two eyed on the subject! Land cruisers are stupid money now!! Cheers mate
Let’s face it mate It’s not a Toyota so it Sux😉 I’m a firm believer that your tow wagon should outweigh your trailer wherever possible I don’t believe double cab mid size utes have any place towing 3ton plus Great review, your correct the ford box is good but it does hunt a bit 👍👍
Hahahaha controversial mate! Already offended plenty of ranger owners! Not that I care though this is my honest opinion backed by actual numbers so not much to argue really. I agree mate, otherwise who’s towing who??
ive owned 2 ford rangers, a 15 XLT and a 2016 Wildtrak, same issues with all the dual cabs, you cant legally tow a decent van if your rig is set up as a tourer, because of the GCM and if i rememeber correctly i had issues with the rear axle weight aswell which is something alot of people look over. as far as the car goes, my wildtrak was one of the best cars ive ever driven. I still prefer my 200 series, if you are in the market even look at the first Gen y62's they do not dissappoint.
Hey Tommo thanks for the comment! Like I said epic car and we enjoyed it!! Just the legal side that lets it down! Physical side it’s got plenty!! Thanks mate!! Cheers
Ford F series maybe but the rest are fleet vehicles so good for light commercial work and end of 4 years value is not as good as others due to sheer number for sale at any one time.
Prado is stock in terms with gvm upgrades! From standard it’s 5.5t towing (gvm is 2990kg + 2.5t towing which is perfect world scenario! Like I spoke about! But gutless engine this van on the Prado it would go backwards haha 😂 new car has more pole though
Great content and information 👏 All manufacturers claim that you can tow 3.5 tons but that's not possible Have an awesome week and greetings from south africa 🇿🇦 👏 😀
Would love for you to jump in the way back machine and do a similar review on the 2009 Mitsubishi Triton with the 3.2 litre diesel. It is touted as the pick of the bunch. I currently own 2 GLXR's but havent put them to the test. I'm new to your channel and loving the variety of your videos. Browny.
The Ranger is just about the best value second-hand ute on the market. Because of the perception real or otherwise that the 5 cyl motor has potential for catastrophic problems the wholesale price range keeps dropping because they can't be cleared easily whether through auction or through car yards.
Will tow better in sports mode guys. You shouldnt be towing in your normal drive mode. Ive got a fully kitted out 3.2 Ranger and its been awesome. I love it. Perfect for the family and the camper trailer. We have been looking at buying a caravan down the track, if i was towing anything over 2.8t i would be upgrading to a bigger car. Wouldnt tow over 3t with any of the mid sized dual cabs on the market. Ram, f truck or silverado would be my pick. Far better value than a 79 series thats for sure.
We tested it in drive and in sports to have a fair test. Gears held and clunky in both modes. Ford advertise the 3.5t towing that’s why we made this video. They can’t legally.. that’s the outcome.
@@SarahandKeelanTravels i wasnt disputing your "outcome", i was simply stating that anyone who chooses to tow 3.5t with any mid sized dual cab has rocks in their head. No different weather its a ranger, hilux, navara, amarok etc.
I agree with you, however a lot of people don’t know these things you and I know, and rely on what’s stamped on the vehicle. I don’t think it’s good on fords end to advertise it if “everyone knows not too” don’t you think? That’s my point! I 100% respect your comment and is good to talk to people with great points and opinions on things like this! Thanks for commenting and taking the time!!
Towing in NZL is 90kmh speed limit not a 100kmh unfortunately,and they will book for 1kmh over if they want NO speed tolerance now,the Ranger rides rough because the roads are really bad here...
G'day Keelan, Recon your on the money with your comments and assessment, agreed with all comments. Being a 2016 Ranger owner I've has a few issues along the way on our travels ( we are not full-time on Da road but go beyond phone service ) , some possibly avoidable but hate that " limp mode function " dirty fuel, glow plug issues and so on. I felt a little ripped when I thought I bought a vehicle that could tow 3.5T, only finding out it was tagged at 3.2T but upgradable to 3.5T🤐🤐🤐, whinge over 😁 Y62 or Cruiser 76 is on the cards for me 🤔🤔🤔 Anyway keep the awesomeness coming 🤣🤣🤣 Cheers Andy👍
Hey mate, Like I said really enjoyable car to drive! Did a great job and took all my punishment!! Just heard some stuff plus that funny GCM and I think not atleast touring with a bullbar and a bit of backup water is crazy which you’ll be over weight! I hope ranger owners don’t get upset! A lot of people tend to get upset when I talk about the steed! Hahah spewing mate! Thanks for your winge I enjoyed it haha 😂 🤙🏽😂 Cheers Andy!!
Hey Keelan, great review, but it is the old model. I understand the new Ranger has a bigger motor available and higher GCM but all utes in this category have the same problem. Are you considering the new Everest, I have the current 2Litre Biturbo and pull a 19 1/2-foot full sized caravan. I have no mods and have travelled over 30,000km with the van and have had no problems so far, the Everest has travelled 85,000km. Anyway, I enjoy your videos and may see you on the road sometime. Cheers
Gday stuart! The newer models I touched on in the end of the video sound awesome!! They look great too!! No doubt like I said you only here the bad stories! We loved driving the ranger!! We punished it and never let us down!! For sure mate thanks for the comment
my dad has a 90 series prado but done up like acctually done up tows very very nice but in my opinion my brothers 2019 70 series lane cruiser tows absulutely nice
LOVE MY 2010 ISUZU 4X4 CREW CAB 5000KG AND TOWING 3500KG AND STILL 1500KG THANK YOUR DETAILED VIDEO AS PUT GREAT POINT ABOUT CHECKING BEFORE BUYING TOWING CARAVAN
We drove it in both for the purpose of a fair and non biased review I drove in drive for a while to see if it made a difference to the trans.. As I have experience towing I know not to tow in drive for the reason it works your torque converter too hard.
In your opinion, do you think the new Ranger with the extra 400kgs of payload be enough extra to tow 3500 and be realistic with aftermarket option on the ranger
If you wanna set it up for touring (bar, canopy. Ect..) no it’s not. 10% ball weight on a 3.5t van is 350kg alone haha I don’t think it is! That’s why the illusive GCM rating that Adds up too Max GVM + tow rating = is soo awesome!!
No I don't think so. The new car is about 100kgs heavier in kerb weight, so you don't gain the full 400kgs to start. You will certainly get closer to the mark but personally I wouldn't be loading up any vehicle to it's full rated capacity and be towing around the continent. You would be surprised how close you come with a couple of accessories on the car and then a van on the back. Last trip I had the rig weighed fully laden. I have a canopy and bullbar on the car but don't carry a huge amount in the vehicle. My van is rated at 2980kgs ATM. On weighing it all I was 70kgs under with the car and 140kgs under with the van and we travel pretty light. I certainly wouldn't be attempting to put a 3500kg van on the back of a Ranger even the new model. I believe that you will not be legal if you do.
i tow 2.5 ton Jayco van that's loaded with a nx Pajero tows nice good fual economy 16.5 p 100 hooked my van on Toyota v8 diesel cruiser towed nice but the economy was over 22 lt p 100 i tow in 4th gear .looking at the 3,2 ranger due to our electric bikes in the tub second hand .
Hi Keelan, I only discovered you today. About to take off on a 4500 km towing (plus side trips) ramble in NW NSW, SA and Vic with our Biturbo ranger and 2.8ton (loaded) van. Legal I think. At about 11 mins into your review you show a side view of your rig. The van slopes down towards the tow hitch. To me it looks like you need a taller shank/hitch adaptor for this rig. My rig is single axle and I still try to ensure I get this right. I reckon with a tandem axle unit, it might matter more. Could it contribute to the uncomfortable ride? We've only towed for about 800km so far, and I don't recall it being uncomfortable at all. The opposite. I'll really pay attention this trip though! (Also just fitted an Andersen WD hitch. Keen to see how that goes. It's much lighter than what we had. Downside of our rig is lots of load on towball... About 320kg as axle is towards the rear of van. The Andersen weight dist hitch is 15 to 20kg lighter all up than our old one, therefore, less towball weight. I will watch more of your vids. Thanks
Good pick up! For sure wouldn’t help! It was a hire car and we didn’t wanna fork out for a hitch. I still think it’s pretty ridged with 300kg ball weight! Thanks mate cheers for the info!! All in all we loved the car! Didn’t let us down in spots others might of so all in all was good! A lot of positives about them! Every car has there issues! Cheers mate
Bit late to the party, but better late than never. So Kerb weight is vehicle weight from manufacturer + full fuel, no passengers, no options (eg. if a towbar is not standard fit then its an option) any options added is then taken off the payload. Standard Passenger Adult weight as per Australian regs is 68kg. Regardless of brand of vehicle, if they say it can tow X Kg then they legally can, as that would be legally misleading to do so in Australia and vehicle manufactures spend a lot of time and money on these sorts of things. In most cases the issue is the person sitting in the drivers seat not understanding their vehicles limits or their setup limits. If you don't understand GVM, GCM, FGAWR, RGAWR,TBW,ATM & GTM and have a detailed spreadsheet of everything in your setup weight wise, then should you really be towing 3500kg......? Don't assume that your TBW is 10% of ATM as there is a good chance it's more. Best advice I can give is get your vehicle weighed to understand Kerb weight by a professional weight person, when you first get it and then also weigh you full setup to understand the above mentioned weight requirements. Just had my NEXT GEN Ranger Wildtrak weighed and the Kerb weight is 60kg under stated figure, it could of been the other way. Good luck with your new setup what ever it is.
good information on towing weights. Anyone looking to get better knowledge in this area should check out some of John Cadogan's videos, he does the math & makes it easy to understand, When I was looking recently for a new tow/touring vehicle I studied many of the options and chose a new Prado mainly on GVM numbers. All of these new cars coming out with 3.5t towing is a joke and just shows the car makers will do or say anything to make their vehicles look better. My current 13yo Triton actually has better GVM capacity than the Prado by about 150kg & it has a 2.1t tow rating. Never go by the tow rate as the GVM/GCM is much more important. The other very important thing that many people overlook is the golden rule 'Never tow anything heavier than the weight of the tow vehicle' (Except trucks that are designed to do it). Keep up the great content Keelan & Sarah, enjoying watching your adventures. P.S. with your new vehicle remember that it is really hard to seal the dust out of a ute tray if you go that way. That's one of my reasons for changing from the Triton to a Prado.
Thanks Ian!! For sure great recommendations! His style of presentation annoys me but that okay because he has some good info!! Awesome mate Thankyou appreciate you comment!! 🍻🤙🏽
Leaf springs may be less comfortable , however they offer much better stability for towing. It's just a fact. I guess it comes down to comfort or safety.
My apologies, my comment was not clear or written well. Lets try again. 'Safety' was the wrong word. And yes your are correct Coils are neither inferior or unsafe. Coil springs can extend and compress within a far greater range of movement than leaf springs. This makes them ideal for off-roading. I have a 4x4 with coils. They work perfect for what I'm doing. And, like you, provide the comfort and flexibility for long distance travel and off road capabilities. Leaving my humble opinion out of the equation, it remains that Leaf springs are more *stable* when carrying heavy loads. Coils are not generally favored for heavy load carrying, as the coil on axle setup isn't nearly as stable or strong as a leaf spring. Fact, Coil springs allow considerably more movement in the suspension system than leaf springs. Coils are not generally favored for heavy load carrying, as the coil on axle setup isn't nearly as stable or strong as a leaf spring. leaves serve to keep the rear axle in place so the need for complex suspension linkages are eliminated. When a lot of weight is being carried, leaf springs spread the load out more evenly across the vehicle's chassis than coil springs or torsion bars. Additionally, the friction produced between multiple leaves as they slide helps damp the natural up-down rebounding effect of springs - making the ride steadier and reducing the work that shock absorbers must do. Coil spring suspensions are a viable option for most loads hauled by today's motorists, but leaf springs are still the better option for heavy-duty applications. This is why you'll still find them under passenger trucks, vans, and many commercial vehicles. In heavy-duty applications, they simply aren't as stable for load carrying tasks as leaf springs. And that my friends is based on evidence, not opinion.
Just watched your review on the Ford Ranger, I agree with you on the towing capacity of modern utes as they are very misleading. I'm not sure if you can compare your Prado to the Ranger as I believe your Prado has been set up to tow and travel, where the Ranger is a stock vehicle as far as I can see in the video. Just to let you know I'm not a Ford Ranger owner so no bias here. Also, I wonder if the transmission not changing up on a down hill run is to assist in controlling the speed of the vehicle so you don't have to ride the brakes, as other vehicles in this segment do. Anyway, just my point of view, great show, keep up the great work.
Thanks mate, the Prado is set up but like I said I can load that to Max GVM and still tow the Max rating and be inside the GCM! Also if you put that van on the Prado it would go backwards! Ranger has twice as much grunt as old Percy haha 😂 Percy is heavier than the ranger though which Dosnt help haha thanks mate
No car should tow the maximum capacity realistically, that’s just the amount the powertrain can pull. There are a number of other factors to consider, for example, the new Everest also says 3500kg but due to payload and rear axle capacity, realistically 2.8-2.9 tonne is really pushing it depending on cargo and occupants. Just need to research all the facts on weights and limits first.
Totally agree about the Ranger Keelan. We started towing our 3.2t offroad van with the exact same model Ranger. Really struggled with the weight. Now use a Y62 Patrol which does it so easy with not much more fuel use. Feels much more planted and safe.
Love your videos i am 38 and started watching ur video's and cause i work from home , and all i really need is internet... i thought fuk it now loking for a car and caravan to travel australia 😊
Yes you can, totally different. the GVM Dosnt eat into the GCM. The towing capacity + the Max GVM = GCM so pretty much you can buy a land cruiser put as much weight in it you can aslong as your under GVM and hook your van up and tow it away. Admittedly the payload isn’t very good. But it is possible and legal to tow 3500kg out of the box.
Hey Keelan & Sarah, love your content keep up the great work. I'd suggest a y62 patrol when your looking at updating. More expensive in fuel but nissan seem to have a very reliable package with that 5.6 litre v8. Towing is a breeze & compared to a Landcrusier your probley be looking at a 30k saving as well, not to mention also how awesome that v8 sounds lol . Josh & Mikayla from travelling campers seem to praise the patrol also especially in the rough stuff. Anyway all the very best to the both of you, looking forward to seeing future episodes 👍
Thanks David!! Appreciate the comment mate!! I agree more L/100km but cheaper at the bowser!! Better sound too haha 😂 thanks mate cheers for the support!! Means more than ya know 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
No more ltr per 100 km than a landcruiser and petrol is cheaper. We have had a 3.2 ton caravan on our new Patrol for last 6 months, done 24,000 km with both towing and non towing and currently at average of 18.2 Ltr per 100km
I own a ranger, yes it can pull 3.5T but i wouldnt legally it cant either.. i Would limit it to 3T. Anything over 2.8T id be getting a bigger tow vehicle 200series or y62. For safety reall pulling 3.5T.
This seems like the common consensus but yet Ford still plate there vehicles to tow 3.5t safely and legally. Some discrepancies here! I tend to agree though mate
If you drove the 3.2 in manual as you should when towing youd have better fuel economy and pulls caravan a lot easier, ive had jayco silverlines and ford rangers for years towing around NZ south island , and always up to max GCM never had an issue, i have heard many using toyotas having many issues especially some of the older Hilux's , Prados landcruisers with there various Engine, clutch issues over many years, id rate the Ranger V Toyotas equal plus the fact that a Prado or landcruiser cant tow the same capacity anyway up until latest models, just thought id add a comment from someone who has towed around the south island in the combo you are reviewing for years without any issues
In NZ I have a px3 ranger and tow a 2808 bs Rockwood caravan, well a Ranger here has a 3200 kg gvm and 3500 braked towing witch is 6700kgs total gcm, but you need to have a class 2 🤔 they are not 6000kgs your class 1 driver is.😅
Thanks grant!! That was my intention! I think I’ve pissed a few ranger owners off which wasn’t what I wanted haha thought I was pretty balanced! Cheers mate
We went with 2022 Triton. Mainly due to cost compared to the ranger. The Triton is rated to 3100kg, not 3500kg like the Ranger, but the numbers are more realistic, and not fudged like all the others.
Good Vid mate, though a bit hard on the ole ford as you aren’t comparing it to any other Dual Cab, just Percy. Have you actually ever Towed 3.2 ton Van through the mountains in any other Dual Cab. Yes Yes and Yes, I drive a Ranger, and I tow a 2.4ton Hybrid Van with it, always in Sports Mode ( sometimes in manual) she’s got 140 thou on the clock now, and it’s lived out bush in the goldfields towing the van with ease, and I often head down to Perth without the Van and I don’t spare the horses. Has not missed a beat. Previous vehicle was a 200Series Cruiser. Owned three Prado’s and a 100 series before that.👍👍🤞🤞🤞🤞👍👍
Thanks mate! Narh nah I’m not being hard just honest mate! Like I said, great fuel economy, great price, plenty of power to tow 3.5t all the creature comforts and more!! But the GCM let’s them down and also like I said not the most reliable car in terms with word of mouth!! That’s just my opinion plus some facts! Percy would go backwards with that van because it’s gutless! Ranger has way more power and more creature comforts and better fuel economy! Like I said I’m not one eyed this is my honest review!
We just updated our P3 ranger to the new V6 ranger, you will be blown away with the difference ..
GCM 6400kg ,10 speed auto, quiet and heaps of torque, better fuel economy.
Sounds epic mate!! They look unreal too! Would love to drive one!! Sounds like they have got the GCM right too!!
Yes I’m doing the same with a V6 Sport. Hopefully all will go well 🤞
Clincher for me was the engine figures & the rear wheel disc brakes 👍
the Tank size turned me away, at around 20lt/100kms (towing) 400 kms per tank means you are filling up every day.
Give the Everest a go. My 2017 Everest has 150k. It's taken the family up and down the eastern seaboard many times with a loaded trailer in tow. It's a beautiful riding SUV that has been a pleasure to drive. No issues, no squeaks, no problems.
Thanks legend will have to give it a go 🤙🏽
everest has very low rear axle limit
Hey good video Keelan I'm a ranger owner and happy, but i do agree about putting 3.5t behind them is not logical and a lot of marketing hype, its also the same with Dmax , hilux etc any of the other dual cab utes in that sector that claim the same is technically correct? But in the real world it's not practical. if you need to tow 3.5 ton you need to step up to a bigger size shirt?
Thanks kutta! Like I said great car we enjoyed it! Fuel economy, power, creature comforts and price point all brilliant!! If it wasn’t for the funny GCM rating that miss leading I would be all for it!! Yeah it’s not just Ford rangers that’s right!! I havnt driven any though so can’t really comment! Thought NZ was a great test for the ranger! Thanks for the comment! 🤙🏽🍻
You can get a gvm upgrade through Pedders which will make it able to tow the 3.5 and have a decent vehicle capacity
@@rustbiteedits4087 upgrade doesn't change your GCM
Totally agree. Keegan should do his research and NOT single out Ford when every manufacturer does this (including Toyota)
@@francesclark363 wrong. Can GVM+GCM upgrades all in one
Ford is famous here in the States for fudging the towing capacities of its trucks. There are a few apps that help people figure out payload and towing.
Great review thank
Yeah right! There’s a can of worms to open isn’t there!! Would love to weigh a lot of stock vehicles and compare to stamped kerb weight!!
As a long term Ranger owner, what you say about legal tow weights is correct. A Ranger, aside from the new model, cannot tow 3500kgs in any practical legal sense. About 3100kgs is its limit.
I have a 2015 PX1 3.2 6 speed auto, which has now towed our 3 tonne van over most of Australia.
In fact it has recently completed it 5th trip across the continent and back with the van on the back plus a number of shorter more local trips.
The only issue we have ever had with the vehicle was a split turbo hose from the intercooler to the throttle body on the last trip, which was easily repaired with a new hose. Other than that the vehicle has been utterly reliable.
Comfort wise we feel that the comfort levels are very good and we came out of a coil sprung vehicle to the Ranger and think that the Ranger is more comfortable. With it's long wheelbase it rides very well. We have the Wildtrak model.
We do use a weight distribution hitch which does smooth out some of the bumps a little although with it's inbuilt trailer stability control the Ranger is an excellent tow vehicle to start with.
Would I buy another one? Absolutely! Love my Ranger and will be looking at the new V6 model at some future point.
Similar to my experience. But not much distance travelled yet. Important to set up the hitch so that on level ground, the van is basically level when hitched. Keelans didn't look level.
I tow my 2.5T caravan with a 2019 Colorado. No trouble 👍
I put a set of Airbagman & Toughdog adjustable shocks on the rear….perfect 👌
Levels the vehicle with 20psi & no bouncing. Makes towing very comfortable.
I’ve ordered the new Ranger V6 Sport with the touring pack.
The clincher was the power/torque & the rear wheel disc brakes 👍
Due in October 🤞
From someone in and out of the industry, there is only 1 choice, Y62 Patrol. and with the government stay at home diesel tax its a no brainer!!!!!!!! Enjoy Sarah and Keelan!!!
Hahaha yewww!! I agree mate! Petrol at the moment is the way to go! Cheaper than putting 2.10$ a litre in!! Thanks mate!!
Love your videos Keelan. I have owned a 3.2 Ranger and currently have a BiTurbo 10sp and the BiTurbo tows our heavy Horse float way more easily although our 3.2 was still very good. With the 3.2 we towed in “S” mode as per the manual and it seemed better. As we have a new Titanium van arriving in 8 weeks which should tow at about 3000 - 3100kg I have ordered the new V6 Wildtrak… mainly for the 6400 GCM
Keep up the great work…
Australia is one of the only countries that allows the tow to weigh more than the towing vehicle in the private/recreation vehicle space. There has to be a good reason for that I presume, and simple physics would suggest the if the tow weighs more that the tug, the tow is in charge of the tug when shit gets real, rather than the other way around. Those massive land-barges you see being towed by 2 tonne tare dual cabs are just accidents looking for a place happen IMO and I have no doubt most of those highly accessorised dual cabs are way over their GVM when hitched, if not their GCM too. If GVM/GCM/axle loadings etc were strictly enforced here, most of those rigs would be off the road. Thanks for the vid, love your work!
I tend to agree David! In terms with the physics of whos towing who? Obviously the engineers at Ford and other manufactures know what they are doing and everything is ADR approved! Cheers for the comment David!! 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
Agree, the tail wags the dog
This isn't a problem in a well set up rig. Trucks do it all the time! It is all about dynamic stability brakes and other factors including weight distribution and 10% or more tow ball loading.
I think in this day and age you will find average Joe does know about gears and does tow in sports mode
You would be surprised mate! A lot of people frying torque converters! Same as everything I don’t assume anyone knows anything when I make these videos!! Trying to be as beneficial and helpful to everyone!
Certainly are correct about bad reviews and on line there are so many BS fan boys and idiots who want to tow at the limit all the time. I had a personal discussion with one particular anti Ranger person with all these bad experiences and when I asked him about his car he had never had a Ranger just spat out BS. As for a real issue Toyota has a massive problem which has a bill of over two billion dollars for selling unreliable diesel cars flooded with issues yet some how these are unbreakable. Give me a new Hilux I am certain I can break it and it won't take long. Cars are big investments and if you are going to tow all the time with 3500kg then get a F150 or similar all the Utes and for that matter Landcruiser etc should not have more than 3000kg behind them.
I have a Toyota Prado and I am giving to my son when he gets he’s license next year, it’s a great 4x4 car it’s to good to trade in , so yesterday I went out and ordered a new Ford Ranger wildtrack V6 Diesel. This was a great episode, and I just love the way you say it the way you see it . 😃🥇👍 all the best until next week 🦘🦘🦘👍😃🍷🍻
What a good dad! Wish my old boy gave me one haha 😂 feel ripped off now haha 😂
Good on ya Paul! They look sick! Love the new look and the towing stats are better now!! Thanks legend!! 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
@@SarahandKeelanTravels the both of you are very inspirational to young people and older people like me , Take care on the road 👍😃 and thank you very much for always getting back to me and everyone else 🌼🦋😃🏕
I bought a new Wildtrak, 3.2 diesel, straight five, assembled in Thailand - so, no AdBlue. Delivered in Oct 2021. $78K base, now $112K. If you don't spend the money for long term, you'll fail somewhere eventually.
Straight engines have a better torque response than V-engines, they have a drive-line lash - it's unavoidable given the firing sequence.
I upgraded my wheels and tyres to CSAs and Coopers 270/70/17 (down from 18s) which places the speedo at +/- 1Km/h at all speeds to 140Km/h. Good for 1420Kg on all four corners.
The new twin scroll turbo, 10 speed Ranger will hunt gears - you just can't feel it; and will wear out the transmission and the oil feed to the turbo before you know it when overlanding.
The BT50 and the Ranger are the same vehicle except that the Ranger has a larger roof height and a stronger chassis. I fitted a Utemaster canopy and cantilever rack, good for 270Kg - though, who wants that weight on their roof? It's better that 75-100Kg from other good brands.
Most Toyotas are farm trucks and need to be built up to be an overlanding vehicle - I include the Hilux here. The Prado is also in need of an improvement build as it is a black top vehicle out of the box, like the Ranger.
The Ranger needs about $15K to be an overlander and then more to be bullet-proof. A 600Kg GVM upgrade provides a 924Kg payload and should include greasable upper control arms. A rear leaf sprung vehicle needs to be constantly loaded - it's an uncomfortable ride to Woollies when unladen. ~$6K for a secondary build, pre-rego.
The engine requires upgrades to the transmission cooling and intercooler; as well as the Transmission Thermostat Bypass. It also requires a removal of the valve body and installation of a full flow thermostat control valve. Add to that, a removal of the bypass factory heat exchanger.
Then a dyno by a master tuner - 25% increase in power and 30% increase in torque without stress. All up about $11K.
A Hayman Reece rear Xbar, spotties, winch, Jungle bull bar and side rails, and so on.
Hope that helps.
Just buy an American truck at those prices
@@liamwindsor5854 What? A second hand piece of trash?
Loved this Review, Running a 19 Ranger myself and although we only tow a Kimberly Kamper weighing 1100 kegs you we’re pretty spot on with your review…… good work
Thanks macca!! Glad you liked it mate! 🤙🏽🍻
I have to disagree with you about the reliability of the Ford Ranger. We have a PK, a PX1, a PX2 and a PX3 and have never had any trouble with any of them. We are so happy with them all that we have just ordered a Next-Gen Wildtrak. If you ask around, you will find people who've had bad experiences with just about anything, doesn't mean they are all bad.
The 6R80 auto is very indecisive in stock form empty or loaded. We do quite a few ECM / TCM tunes along with the external trans cooler kit + the problematic trans thermostat bypass. Makes any PX series 3.2 auto or BT50 so much better for towing. More power, cooler trans temps and better economy and best of all is improved reliability.
As MJHmech states, No doubt the 6R80 can improved, starting with a decent front mounted trans cooler to replace the underwhelming Ford unit attached to the passenger side of trans, replace thermostatically controlled valve with bypass valve, upgrade the throttle body for firmer shifts, and definitely replace the early PX1 series torque converter known for weak welds around flex plate mounting bolts.
The 6R80 Is quite a robust trans if it is kept cool and can be locked up, especially for heavy towing.
Interesting stuff for the two of us as owners of an over speced (after market) 2016 Mazda BT 50 manual twin cab just like your Ranger test vehicle. We purchased it second hand and weighed it down with winch, new bull bar, bash plates, extra rear leaves & front coils, rear step bumper bar, internal drawers & roof racks & 140 litre fuel tank. We tow an off road camper trailer with 1200 kg axle weight. We haven't done the calculations but must be close to the limit. The gear box is clunky in low gears but overall the rig has worked fine for us for 50,000 km's on and off road in four years. I am interested how different Ranger and Ford are given their joint manufacturing relationship.
Hey legends . Drove the new gen wildtrak . V6 3.0 l turbo diesel 10 speed auto . Gotta say after being a Toyota person forever very impressed . The new motor of 184kw and 600nm is beautiful and the soundless cab when windows up is amazing for a diesel . The grunt or pickup is sweet too . The 10” screen and 180 degree cameras is awesome as r the electric seats for both passenger and driver now and the telescopic steering wheel both up down and fwd rocks . So many amazing other features but cause we have to upgrade atm for a van from our hilux we r impressed . Still got the 6400 gcm to work with but now on board pree Rego with every accessory avail Inc in the 5 yr warranty with ARB it’s pree awesome too . Due to hilux not having the stats on power yet or Apple car play and just the new wider longer build of 50ml all round makes it feel beefy and look good with a great set of wheels and flares etc . Definitely worth a look but not the models below the wildtrak for me as not enough Lux . lol 😂
Thanks for the comment Darline! Love hearing people’s opinions on cars ect!! Epic!! They look sick too! A lot of creature comforts! Toyota is behind the pack on a fair few features hey!! Thanks again legend
Well put Keelan. I’m a Toyota guy too. It’s correct what you said about only hearing the horror stories. Apparently every 3 litre Nissan blew up at 80k. I know plenty of them still going strong. Great presentation, mate.
Thanks mate you only ever hear the crap stuff! That’s right!! They are everywhere still!! Cheers Mick!!
nice to see a Toyota man actually liking a Ford. Was peeved with a few comments you made but spoke the truth, try one you will be amazed at what it can do. Slow down on the highway it's not a race track enjoy the journey not just the destination. PS love ours. Happy adventures love seeing your clips.
Hi Bev, like I said I’m honest and I liked the car! Not trying to peev you off though! We love the ranger and did the job plus some! High respect for the rangers! Cheers Bev!!
@@SarahandKeelanTravels loved your truthful review. Not Offended love the truth needs to be told more.
Love my new V6 WT after coming from 2L WT. No major issues and certainly nothing that stopped me in my tracks. I'd buy another one tomorrow! Agree with the tow numbers being a problem in real world situations.
how did your 2l tow
Awesome mate’ they are great cars! We enjoyed it! Wish it had the higher GCM that’s my only big issue!! Cheers
New Ford Ranger GCM is now 6400kg
I tow a 2.5T caravan currently with a 2019 Colorado. I’ve now ordered the new Ford Ranger V6 Sport with the touring pack.
Due at the end of October 👍
@@jballtamperingozzyockr2455 that 2l bi-turbo is no slug. Compared to other 4cyl diesels it's putting out very good power and torque.
I’ve got a 2021 ranger. I did the lovells gvm gcm upgrade pre rego. Gvm 3.5T gcm 7.1T. they are very capable of the job if set up correctly.
Nice one Jamie! Well done mate!! Sounds awesome
Just be mindful that GCM upgrades are not legal in WA. Only GVM upgrades.
Anyone living in WA should not buy a vehicle thinking that they can upgrade the GCM to tow a bigger van.
Rules vary from State to State so check out what you are allowed in your State prior to spending your hard earned.
Ok so to simplify; Ford’s claims of being able to “tow 3500kg” and having a maximum GCM of 6000kg are actually both true.
You just cannot do both together if you wish to take anyone with you 😅
Be interesting to see what you think of the next generation ford ranger with the V6 and a GCM of 6350kg if my memory serves me correctly
Need to go without the towbar ‘accessory’ to make weight
Yes correct but mate you have to no kids and nothing in the car to do it.. not very good tourer without spare water, parts, tools! That’s my only issue!!
Can’t wait to get my hands on a new ranger!! I’ve heard great things and they look awesome!!
New V6 Ranger with 6.4T GCM may solves the weight issues. All the other dual cab utes like Hilux, DMax etc. have been rendered obsolete by the New Ford range of trucks. But if towing 3.5T is a must, then an American truck should be the first option as even LC300 and Patrol don't have the payload to cope.
Sound awesome mate! They look the part too! Love the front ends on them! They look tough!! I personally think that it’s getting out of hand how much a dual cab can safely tow, and how much power they can get out of a 4-6 cylinder engine! They must be that highly strung!! Good on Ford though they are leading the way!! I would say 75% of vans we seee on the road would weigh 3.5t plus
I beleive the 1500 Ram is also questionable. It's axle capacity is over rated as well as its rim load capacity.
It falls below the land Cruiser
You will not get the full benefit of the new GCM figure though as the kerb weight has increased by about 100kgs, so you will only get about a 300kg benefit.
Payload of the Landcruiser 200 series is only 630kg……jeeze 😅
@@RocketRod63 630kg-350kg ballweight from 3.5T van=280kg-100kg for usual towbar and Bullbar combo=180kg. So 180kg for passengers and any additional accesories. Jeez 🤦♂️
Biggest issue I've found as a boat builder is we build a boat and customer buys a normal stock standard trailer for it and the trailer is always more than what it is stamped at.
I've seen tandem trailers stamped at 350kg that fit a 6-7m boat.
We weigh them to make sure and they have been nearly 600kg empty.
There would be heaps of people out there towing boats that are anywhere from 300-600kgs heavier than what's stamped.
I couldnt imagine how many caravans are stamped the same.
That is insane! I wanna weigh a empty car from the showroom and peg it against its kerb weight haha I reckon they would lie too
@@SarahandKeelanTravels
I would bet it's out by atleast 100kg.
I don't know what your plans would be but it would be good to see a caravan review on stamped weights vs actual weights factory delivered.
@@SarahandKeelanTravels for the record we have a 16 px2 ranger dualcab and love it hahaha.
Gmf front bar, moonlight snorkel, warn zeon 10000lb winch, aeroklas canopy, 80l water tank, 145l arb fuel tank, 3" lift, 305/75/17 tyres and rims, front locked on top of factory rear locker, typical solar and bcdc 2nd battery setup.
We honestly have only ever had one issue, which was a top intercooler hose split on fraser Island otherwise never had 1 issue in 125k of travelling around aus etc etc.
Been a really good car for us
Old one has had some issues with jumping gears. But new one Should be fine with new torque converter.
Yeah mate I’ve heard the same thing can’t wait to drive one!!
Y62 Keelan. The price of diesel is still much higher than petrol too. So a factor to account for. Plus I think the LC200 is a little more expensive than Y62. The traction conrol is great. Independant suspension with coils all round, plus that clearance is good without the diff pumpkin. But if heart is set on Toyota for reliabilty and your dream car it's a tough one.
The midweek episodes are back!!
I totally agree with you on everything you said Keelan. We will be looking to upgrade our set up in a few years time and will be looking for a 3200kg van instead of the 3500 and our Isuzu MuX with 3000kg towing to a dual cab with 3500 purely for the facts you listed and it will give that gvm and gcm on the vehicle a bit more room to play with.
Great advice mate. Are you guys going a dual cab or wagon for your new vehicle?
If I was to buy a brand new car today for touring it would probably be the new Ford ranger with the V6 diesel as it has the GCM of 6400kg that extra 400kg is a huge difference.
They are back but maybe not for long hahah a lot of work trying to do 2 a week!!
Totally agree mate! It’s all a balancing act of GVM GCM GTM hahah
Can’t answer that question just yet 😉😉
They look bloody good don’t they! You might be on the money!! 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
@@SarahandKeelanTravels I am so excited to hear of the new rig/set up you guys are going with, I'm sure itll be epic. When can we expect an announcement?
A DMax by Isuzu are great tow vehicles. We are very happy with ours. DMax and van handled the Gibb without an issue. Good luck
I’ve heard great things and similar comments on the dmax! Great tow vehicles! Would love to test one!! Cheers
@@SarahandKeelanTravels you can text mine mate, 2020 x terrain, in Brisbane
Should be towing in sports mode 4th
That's what most people do to lock up the tranny and keep the temps down
That’s right! We did the last part of the trip! Same as the Prado at home! tow is S4!
A lot of people don’t know this though and just slap it into drive!
Thanks for sharing your opinion Guys, good to hear. Cheers 🍻
Cheers legend!! 🤙🏽🍻
Great video mate. Certainly differences between ability to tow and legally able. Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks legend!! Tried to be as factual as possible! Like I said great car just GCM let’s them down a bit as a tourer!
Hi. I'm new to your channel :-) I like your "down-to-earth" way of explaining things.
My wife and I drive a 2020 Ford Ranger dual cab with a NorthStar pop-up camper on it. (Weighs in at 3200 kg fully loaded)
We tow a trailer with our Jeep on it (2700 kg). It's only the 2,0 bi-turbo diesel and of cause it lacks power in the hills, but actually I'm impressed by how well it does. I would have thought it to do much worse. And we avg the same fuel economy as you speak of - around 15 l/100.
The issue with the uncomfortable suspension when towing (or fully loaded for that matter) we experienced too. But that's easily fixed by adding a set of airbags to help the leaf springs maintain their optimal angle. fully loaded and towing we add apx. 15 psi in the airbags to get it up to normal ride height, and that practically eliminated that issue.
All-in-all I think it's a fairly capable vehicle, with skid plates and rear e-locker straight out of the box.
As for reliability, the only problem we've had is a crank position sensor failing after 5000 km, but that went on the warranty.
(Only thing about that is, that Ford here in Sweden has, to say it least, a very poor customer service. I hope for you guys that it's way better in Australia) We've been driving it for 2 years and 25000 km now ...
We came from a 2010 Ford Ranger super cab, and this new model is, in our opinion an upgrade to a whole other level. Only thing we are not really fans of is all (unnecessary) warning sound and beeping, "driving assists" and that whole part. It's just too much, and, in our opinion, more irritating than helpful.
Gday mate thanks for the comment and welcome to the channel! Cheers for the info!! I guess you only ever hear the bad stuff! I think the ranger went well! I just think the weight specs let it down a little!! 🤙🏽🍻 cheers mate
Perfect tow vehicle if you don't want to tow, $65-$70 grand for a ute that's not all that comfortable at there tow limit straight out of the box tricky gearboxes. Good luck with that, thanks for your honest post.
Thanks brenton!! Great vehicle!! We loved it though
Excellent Keelan! You are 100% correct. We sold our Wildtrak and got a Fuso Canter. Finally legal. Jayco 3.3t ob. Ranger never got it right.
Thanks mate!! The fuso what a little ripper!! That thing would pull anything
Agree 100% re: 3.5 tonne towing capacity. I'm a Ranger owner and love it, but is not a 3.5 tonne tug, my estimation would be a 2.7 tonne max tow weight.
Hello Keelan, we have been watching your channel for some time now and really appreciate the places you have been and your adventures. Whilst I agree with your comment regarding the GCM of the older Ford Ranger you drove, it is possible to tow a 21ft 6" caravan loaded and stay within the GCM limits. We have done so for the past 2 years and have regularly checked our weights especially when travelling in Queensland.
For a young man you have certainly done some travelling and towing, but as you admitted yourself you have only ever driven Toyota vehicles until the trip to NZ. You are entitled to your opinion on what you think about the Ford Ranger, but having driven various makes and models of cars, trucks etc. (including Toyota and Ford) for the last 50 years, I do not believe you gave an totally unbias opinion of the Ford Ranger based on your trip in NZ. You are too bias toward Toyota and need to get out into the big wide world and drive lots of other vehicles, then you can make some comments.
As for the bumpy ride when towing the caravan, that does not make sense, especially basing it on the leaf vs coil spring suspension. There must have been some issue (i.e. Shock absorber) with the vehicle you drove to cause that problem. We have not found this to be the case with our or other peoples Rangers we have travelled in whilst towing a van or other heavy loaded trailer.
As mentioned by yourself and other comments below the value for money of the Ford Ranger compared with Toyota Prado or Landcruiser in Excellent. If fact it is only recently that Toyota started fitting Sat Nav, Android/Apple car play and reversing cameras to the Prado or Landcruiser vehicles.
Also for your information the "Ford has confirmed the new Ranger and Everest have a maximum braked towing capacity of 3500kg across the entire range. Payload is up to 741kg, gross vehicle mass (GVM) is up to 3150kg, and gross combination mass (GCM) is 6250kg across the entire range."
Keep up the great work and videos and safe travels.
At about 11 mins into the video you see a side view. The tow ball on the Ranger looks too low so the van is leaning onto its front axle etc. Needs a different shank/adaptor. We only tow about 2.8 ton van behind our Ranger. Haven't had a proper long trip yet. Only about 800km. I remember thinking it towed really sweetly, don't remember poor ride at all.
I reckon set the rig up properly and it will tow very comfortably, perhaps better than when not towing.
Going down hills with a diesel it's better to use Ur engine to slow down the vehicle or maintain speed it helps with brake temps and stops brake fade. Also while decelerating even if the rpm is reading 3500rpm there isn't actually fuel going into cylinders like there is with 3500rpm accelerating under load. Just FYI.
Hey guys in. New Zealand the max GCM for a lot of utes is set at 6t otherwise you need a class 2 or 3 license to drive them.
just ordered the new ranger sport 2 litre. trading my reliable colorado . im hoping it tows as well as im pulling 216 franklin. all the research ive done says ok and a mate pulls a network rv ok with his no problems . great content as well
Mate congrats they look insane! Such a good looking car! You’ll be sweet the new one has bigger GCM from what I hear!!
I’ve ordered the V6 Ranger Sport. I have a 19’6 Millard which I currently tow with my 2019 Colorado
V6 with more power & torque plus rear wheel disc brakes 👍
Great video ,Toyota 200-300 series are even worse for towing compacity
Narh GCM on a 200 is 6850kg and the towing capacity is 3.5t + a standard gvm of 3350kg which is good! Kerb weight is 600kg less than GVM which is like nothing aswell!!
Payload capacities……..@ 650kg 😅
Never been a Ford fan, purchased a Ranger Wildtrak PX2 in 2017 and a van. Was very aware of the weight conundrums that face all brands when you nut it out. I am one that tows pretty much stock standard, except for one thing, I had the PX2 tuned to some 600nm and 200kw, turned out to be a great decision, would have to dig up my spreadsheets on various trips but I remember the best and worst, best was 13 per 100 between Barcaldine and Winton, worst was 19.8 between Narrabri and Coonabarabran into a massive headwind, I was getting 7's not towing on the highway and 9's around town. Average towing I am guessing would have been in the high 15's to low 16's. Would be towing 3 tonnes or a bit better, our leaving home GCM in 2019 on the way to Tasmania was 5.980 tonnes, full of fuel and water. Have had the new V6 Wildtrak now for nearly 2 months, been on a fuel discovery trip, it is OK, waiting to see when a tune gets written for it and will see how much extra that gives. Average fuel on that 1200kms was 16.3. GCM of course now 6400 but the interesting bit was front axle loading, too much to go into here. Jury still out on this next gen ranger, will see how it is travelling when I have 40 or 50 thousand on the clock. I had done 120000 kms in the PX2, paid 65K for it and sold it for 52K so a good return there. Think I will do some significant cash on this one though just because of the way the world is changing. Not sure I have become a Ford fan yet, but was happy with the PX2 Wildtrak and will see how this one goes. It is certainly heavier on juice around town, but heavier car and as yet not tuned.
Sounds like you could be a Ford fan they are pretty good numbers mate!! Very impressive! Do you think the tune was a “game changer” in terms of fuel economy and power?
They are great cars just GCM let them down. New ones have a much higher GCM but it boils down to if you actually want to put 3.5t behind a 2.5t car if you know what I mean
Excellent review of the Ford ranger guys, I think you hit most of the really good & bad points fairly.. I agree with all the points you made here Keelan, and my wife said she would not have married me if I had a Ford, or is it, she would divorce me if I got one? I think both were mentioned. So getting & keeping my attention to watch ur review is a big plus for Ford from this sector, you had me thinking about it for awhile there, but I love my wife, & Toyota’s too of course. As you said reliability is very important, I recently asked a friend why he keeps getting Landrovers that he is always working on and he said, “because they are cheap”, so I said, “are they”, Ive been driving Toyotas for the last 35 years and have hardly ever worked on any of them, I drive them, service them, and get most of my money back when I sell or trade them, latest 2 are worth more than paid for years ago, so for me, yeah, Toyota’s are actually cheapish in that respect and they always get me home. Cheers
Hahahaha now fords are deterring soul mates haha 😂 I love it!! 😂😂😂
Hi guys, love your stuff. Don't forget that the towball download weight is also part of the GVM. Lots of people overlook that which can be expensive if your insurer wants to wash it's hands of you and walk away from your claim, should things turn pear-shaped.
Thanks mate! Well aware of this! You’re right though!! A lot of people we talk to about caravans think they are under until you say “what about your ball weight” there face normally says it all haha 😂 cheers Rob
I think people with a series 200 or 300 Landcruisers fall into this trap with a vehicle payload of only 650kg
A good mate brought a new ranger in 2017 to tow a caravan it drove from airle beach to Townsville and blew up.
Use the ZF manually when towing. It’s quite smart, blip to downshift ect. The average joe blow is dare I say it a peanut, if you have the know how, drive the car to its potential, that’s selecting gears manually.
I was in manual select and also tested it in auto select and to be honest didn’t see much improvement with holding and dropping gears..
In NZ we have the LDV D90, rear is coils and the GCM is 6200kg, 3100kg a peice. We are only towing 2T however fully loaded, family of 6, 2 boxer dogs, 4 bikes on the roof with the van in tow we find it extremely comfortable vs. our previous Kia Sorento.
Awesome mate glad your a happy customer!! Sounds like you haul some gear around with it! Cheers legend
Ranger all the way.. love ours
We loved it too!! A pleasure to drive and plenty of grunt!!
Many dual cab Utes are in the same boat. Why pick on the Ranger? The Triton has a short wheelbase and the chassis bends with way less weight than a Ranger. Also does it have a Tow/Haul mode?
Why do so many people want such large heavy vans, especially if you do not have children with you?
People seem to be keen to have as heavy a set up as possible as some sort of badge of honour.
I have a 15' 5" (7' wide) semi-off road poptop van @ 1.4 ton max gtm.
I bet I can take it more places, more easily, with way less stress on my tow vehicle (diesel, manual, hilux 4x4), with lower fuel consumption, than these large heavy vans.
People’s choice and preference
@@SarahandKeelanTravels Yes, but why?
Creature comforts be heavy
@@BlackInk91
That does indeed seem to be the case.
Hi Keelan. Good work on the review mate. Just one thing about the comfort side of your review. I noticed when watching your NZ vlog that the front of the van and the rear of the car were very low. With the unlevel towing set-up I think this may have contributed to a rougher ride at the rear of the ute. I know you had no control over setting it up, but I think it would have towed much better level. I'm surprised it didn't adversely affect the handling. I agree on the towing weight. I don't think you should tow anything too much heavy than your car, to avoid the old dog wagging the tail syndrome, regardless of what the GCM is.
Cheers
Greg
Totoally agree Greg!! It was a hire car with a standard level tongue so was for sure not setup correctly!! With a good solid suspension kit it would ride and look a lot more level!! Cheers Greg! Appreciate you comment 🤙🏽🍻
I agree but it's not a suspension kit you need. Just a tow bar that is adjusted higher. This undermined an otherwise interesting review.
good info altho ive an 3ltr turbo diesel isuzu, happy with it.
Thanks Robert!! Heard great things about the dmax!!
Don’t understand the comfort comment. How can you compare a Ute (Ranger) with an SUV (Prado). Compare the the Ranger with a HiLux, or compare the Prado with an Everest which also has rear coil suspension, not leaf springs.
comparing leaf to coils is something people have to compare to make a decision between a ute and a wagon.. the comparison is still super relevant. do you want a sore back with a canopy or no sore back with no canopy haha thats the real question
That’s the same with all vehicles, irrespective of the manufacturers . They all say they can tow this or that, however, when combined you find out you need a GVM upgrade its a joke from all of them. Pretty much can only tow a camper trailer under 2t even less with the wagons (landcruser, prado mu-x and alike)
Toyota are good, the Prado and 200 series are Max GVM plus tow cap = GCM so not an issue! We tow 2.5t with our Prado and have it loaded to Max gvm too and we are legal!
Scott the GVM upgrade Dosnt inscrease your overall weight (GCM)! Cheers
Keelan. A good video, good explanation on the Ford Ranger
Thanks Barry glad you liked it!! 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
I actually have a 3.5 ton van and a 2017 Ranger that i bought new, It has been very reliable and tows the van ok, But i must add i think it is at its limits, Having said that i have travelled through most of outback NSW and QLD at 110kmh with no problem at all and also getting good fuel economy at the same time compared to others, Thinking about upgrading. Have had a Landcruiser before and loved it but the price now is just ridiculous and that's if you can even get one in the next 4 years waiting list? So now i might just have a look around for a bit and make up my mind🤔
Awesome John! It can do it though!! I was surprised with the amount of grunt!! Really rate your comment mate very two eyed on the subject! Land cruisers are stupid money now!! Cheers mate
Let’s face it mate
It’s not a Toyota so it Sux😉
I’m a firm believer that your tow wagon should outweigh your trailer wherever possible
I don’t believe double cab mid size utes have any place towing 3ton plus
Great review, your correct the ford box is good but it does hunt a bit
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Hahahaha controversial mate! Already offended plenty of ranger owners! Not that I care though this is my honest opinion backed by actual numbers so not much to argue really.
I agree mate, otherwise who’s towing who??
ive owned 2 ford rangers, a 15 XLT and a 2016 Wildtrak, same issues with all the dual cabs, you cant legally tow a decent van if your rig is set up as a tourer, because of the GCM and if i rememeber correctly i had issues with the rear axle weight aswell which is something alot of people look over. as far as the car goes, my wildtrak was one of the best cars ive ever driven. I still prefer my 200 series, if you are in the market even look at the first Gen y62's they do not dissappoint.
Hey Tommo thanks for the comment! Like I said epic car and we enjoyed it!! Just the legal side that lets it down! Physical side it’s got plenty!! Thanks mate!! Cheers
I have a 2018 rugged Hilux with a lovells GVM 3500kg and GMC 6500kg towing a MDC HR16 EW and all the weights are under and legal.
Ford F series maybe but the rest are fleet vehicles so good for light commercial work and end of 4 years value is not as good as others due to sheer number for sale at any one time.
Be good to know if your Prado is stock standard and comparing like fro like
Prado is stock in terms with gvm upgrades! From standard it’s 5.5t towing (gvm is 2990kg + 2.5t towing which is perfect world scenario! Like I spoke about! But gutless engine this van on the Prado it would go backwards haha 😂 new car has more pole though
Great content and information 👏
All manufacturers claim that you can tow 3.5 tons but that's not possible
Have an awesome week and greetings from south africa 🇿🇦 👏 😀
Thanks mate!! Greeting from Australia!! Yew!! 🤙🏽🍻
Would love for you to jump in the way back machine and do a similar review on the 2009 Mitsubishi Triton with the 3.2 litre diesel. It is touted as the pick of the bunch. I currently own 2 GLXR's but havent put them to the test. I'm new to your channel and loving the variety of your videos. Browny.
Great info on GVM and GCM . Tired of people and Car mobs banging on about 3500 KG towing.
Thanks Chris! Glad you enjoyed it mate!!
All you have to do is take it out of over drive. Put it in 4th and leave it job done.
The Ranger is just about the best value second-hand ute on the market. Because of the perception real or otherwise that the 5 cyl motor has potential for catastrophic problems the wholesale price range keeps dropping because they can't be cleared easily whether through auction or through car yards.
Will tow better in sports mode guys. You shouldnt be towing in your normal drive mode. Ive got a fully kitted out 3.2 Ranger and its been awesome. I love it. Perfect for the family and the camper trailer. We have been looking at buying a caravan down the track, if i was towing anything over 2.8t i would be upgrading to a bigger car. Wouldnt tow over 3t with any of the mid sized dual cabs on the market. Ram, f truck or silverado would be my pick. Far better value than a 79 series thats for sure.
We tested it in drive and in sports to have a fair test. Gears held and clunky in both modes. Ford advertise the 3.5t towing that’s why we made this video. They can’t legally.. that’s the outcome.
@@SarahandKeelanTravels i wasnt disputing your "outcome", i was simply stating that anyone who chooses to tow 3.5t with any mid sized dual cab has rocks in their head. No different weather its a ranger, hilux, navara, amarok etc.
I agree with you, however a lot of people don’t know these things you and I know, and rely on what’s stamped on the vehicle. I don’t think it’s good on fords end to advertise it if “everyone knows not too” don’t you think? That’s my point! I 100% respect your comment and is good to talk to people with great points and opinions on things like this! Thanks for commenting and taking the time!!
Towing in NZL is 90kmh speed limit not a 100kmh unfortunately,and they will book for 1kmh over if they want NO speed tolerance now,the Ranger rides rough because the roads are really bad here...
We did not know this! Lucky we didn’t get fined! Cheers for the heads up
G'day Keelan,
Recon your on the money with your comments and assessment, agreed with all comments. Being a 2016 Ranger owner I've has a few issues along the way on our travels ( we are not full-time on Da road but go beyond phone service ) , some possibly avoidable but hate that " limp mode function " dirty fuel, glow plug issues and so on.
I felt a little ripped when I thought I bought a vehicle that could tow 3.5T, only finding out it was tagged at
3.2T but upgradable to 3.5T🤐🤐🤐, whinge over 😁
Y62 or Cruiser 76 is on the cards for me 🤔🤔🤔
Anyway keep the awesomeness coming 🤣🤣🤣
Cheers Andy👍
Hey mate,
Like I said really enjoyable car to drive! Did a great job and took all my punishment!!
Just heard some stuff plus that funny GCM and I think not atleast touring with a bullbar and a bit of backup water is crazy which you’ll be over weight! I hope ranger owners don’t get upset!
A lot of people tend to get upset when I talk about the steed!
Hahah spewing mate! Thanks for your winge I enjoyed it haha 😂 🤙🏽😂
Cheers Andy!!
Hey Keelan, great review, but it is the old model. I understand the new Ranger has a bigger motor available and higher GCM but all utes in this category have the same problem. Are you considering the new Everest, I have the current 2Litre Biturbo and pull a 19 1/2-foot full sized caravan. I have no mods and have travelled over 30,000km with the van and have had no problems so far, the Everest has travelled 85,000km. Anyway, I enjoy your videos and may see you on the road sometime. Cheers
Gday stuart! The newer models I touched on in the end of the video sound awesome!! They look great too!! No doubt like I said you only here the bad stories! We loved driving the ranger!! We punished it and never let us down!! For sure mate thanks for the comment
my dad has a 90 series prado but done up like acctually done up tows very very nice but in my opinion my brothers 2019 70 series lane cruiser tows absulutely nice
LOVE MY 2010 ISUZU 4X4 CREW CAB 5000KG AND TOWING 3500KG AND STILL 1500KG
THANK YOUR DETAILED VIDEO AS PUT GREAT POINT ABOUT CHECKING BEFORE BUYING TOWING CARAVAN
Sick mate!! Glad to hear!! 100% check ratings before buying a caravan!! Insurance is starting to crack down on over weight vehicles
U needed to drive in sports mode keeps it out of top gear over drive …and works way better. It still works as an auto
We drove it in both for the purpose of a fair and non biased review I drove in drive for a while to see if it made a difference to the trans.. As I have experience towing I know not to tow in drive for the reason it works your torque converter too hard.
In your opinion, do you think the new Ranger with the extra 400kgs of payload be enough extra to tow 3500 and be realistic with aftermarket option on the ranger
If you wanna set it up for touring (bar, canopy. Ect..) no it’s not. 10% ball weight on a 3.5t van is 350kg alone haha I don’t think it is! That’s why the illusive GCM rating that Adds up too Max GVM + tow rating = is soo awesome!!
No I don't think so.
The new car is about 100kgs heavier in kerb weight, so you don't gain the full 400kgs to start.
You will certainly get closer to the mark but personally I wouldn't be loading up any vehicle to it's full rated capacity and be towing around the continent.
You would be surprised how close you come with a couple of accessories on the car and then a van on the back.
Last trip I had the rig weighed fully laden. I have a canopy and bullbar on the car but don't carry a huge amount in the vehicle. My van is rated at 2980kgs ATM. On weighing it all I was 70kgs under with the car and 140kgs under with the van and we travel pretty light.
I certainly wouldn't be attempting to put a 3500kg van on the back of a Ranger even the new model. I believe that you will not be legal if you do.
147 killer wasps! We love it!! 😂
Haha fair few!! Enough to get a kick out of haha 😂
i tow 2.5 ton Jayco van that's loaded with a nx Pajero tows nice good fual economy 16.5 p 100 hooked my van on Toyota v8 diesel cruiser towed nice but the economy was over 22 lt p 100 i tow in 4th gear .looking at the 3,2 ranger due to our electric bikes in the tub second hand .
Hi Keelan, I only discovered you today. About to take off on a 4500 km towing (plus side trips) ramble in NW NSW, SA and Vic with our Biturbo ranger and 2.8ton (loaded) van. Legal I think.
At about 11 mins into your review you show a side view of your rig. The van slopes down towards the tow hitch. To me it looks like you need a taller shank/hitch adaptor for this rig. My rig is single axle and I still try to ensure I get this right. I reckon with a tandem axle unit, it might matter more. Could it contribute to the uncomfortable ride? We've only towed for about 800km so far, and I don't recall it being uncomfortable at all. The opposite. I'll really pay attention this trip though! (Also just fitted an Andersen WD hitch. Keen to see how that goes. It's much lighter than what we had. Downside of our rig is lots of load on towball... About 320kg as axle is towards the rear of van. The Andersen weight dist hitch is 15 to 20kg lighter all up than our old one, therefore, less towball weight. I will watch more of your vids. Thanks
Good pick up! For sure wouldn’t help! It was a hire car and we didn’t wanna fork out for a hitch. I still think it’s pretty ridged with 300kg ball weight! Thanks mate cheers for the info!! All in all we loved the car! Didn’t let us down in spots others might of so all in all was good! A lot of positives about them! Every car has there issues! Cheers mate
Bit late to the party, but better late than never. So Kerb weight is vehicle weight from manufacturer + full fuel, no passengers, no options (eg. if a towbar is not standard fit then its an option) any options added is then taken off the payload. Standard Passenger Adult weight as per Australian regs is 68kg. Regardless of brand of vehicle, if they say it can tow X Kg then they legally can, as that would be legally misleading to do so in Australia and vehicle manufactures spend a lot of time and money on these sorts of things. In most cases the issue is the person sitting in the drivers seat not understanding their vehicles limits or their setup limits. If you don't understand GVM, GCM, FGAWR, RGAWR,TBW,ATM & GTM and have a detailed spreadsheet of everything in your setup weight wise, then should you really be towing 3500kg......? Don't assume that your TBW is 10% of ATM as there is a good chance it's more. Best advice I can give is get your vehicle weighed to understand Kerb weight by a professional weight person, when you first get it and then also weigh you full setup to understand the above mentioned weight requirements. Just had my NEXT GEN Ranger Wildtrak weighed and the Kerb weight is 60kg under stated figure, it could of been the other way. Good luck with your new setup what ever it is.
good information on towing weights. Anyone looking to get better knowledge in this area should check out some of John Cadogan's videos, he does the math & makes it easy to understand,
When I was looking recently for a new tow/touring vehicle I studied many of the options and chose a new Prado mainly on GVM numbers. All of these new cars coming out with 3.5t towing is a joke and just shows the car makers will do or say anything to make their vehicles look better. My current 13yo Triton actually has better GVM capacity than the Prado by about 150kg & it has a 2.1t tow rating. Never go by the tow rate as the GVM/GCM is much more important. The other very important thing that many people overlook is the golden rule 'Never tow anything heavier than the weight of the tow vehicle' (Except trucks that are designed to do it).
Keep up the great content Keelan & Sarah, enjoying watching your adventures.
P.S. with your new vehicle remember that it is really hard to seal the dust out of a ute tray if you go that way. That's one of my reasons for changing from the Triton to a Prado.
Thanks Ian!! For sure great recommendations! His style of presentation annoys me but that okay because he has some good info!! Awesome mate Thankyou appreciate you comment!! 🍻🤙🏽
Leaf springs may be less comfortable , however they offer much better stability for towing. It's just a fact. I guess it comes down to comfort or safety.
Haha coils are very very safe mate, they won’t be on the road if they are inferior, it’s your opinion that’s fine however it isn’t a fact..
My apologies, my comment was not clear or written well. Lets try again.
'Safety' was the wrong word. And yes your are correct Coils are neither inferior or unsafe. Coil springs can extend and compress within a far greater range of movement than leaf springs. This makes them ideal for off-roading. I have a 4x4 with coils. They work perfect for what I'm doing. And, like you, provide the comfort and flexibility for long distance travel and off road capabilities.
Leaving my humble opinion out of the equation, it remains that Leaf springs are more *stable* when carrying heavy loads. Coils are not generally favored for heavy load carrying, as the coil on axle setup isn't nearly as stable or strong as a leaf spring. Fact, Coil springs allow considerably more movement in the suspension system than leaf springs. Coils are not generally favored for heavy load carrying, as the coil on axle setup isn't nearly as stable or strong as a leaf spring. leaves serve to keep the rear axle in place so the need for complex suspension linkages are eliminated.
When a lot of weight is being carried, leaf springs spread the load out more evenly across the vehicle's chassis than coil springs or torsion bars.
Additionally, the friction produced between multiple leaves as they slide helps damp the natural up-down rebounding effect of springs - making the ride steadier and reducing the work that shock absorbers must do.
Coil spring suspensions are a viable option for most loads hauled by today's motorists, but leaf springs are still the better option for heavy-duty applications. This is why you'll still find them under passenger trucks, vans, and many commercial vehicles. In heavy-duty applications, they simply aren't as stable for load carrying tasks as leaf springs. And that my friends is based on evidence, not opinion.
Just watched your review on the Ford Ranger, I agree with you on the towing capacity of modern utes as they are very misleading. I'm not sure if you can compare your Prado to the Ranger as I believe your Prado has been set up to tow and travel, where the Ranger is a stock vehicle as far as I can see in the video. Just to let you know I'm not a Ford Ranger owner so no bias here. Also, I wonder if the transmission not changing up on a down hill run is to assist in controlling the speed of the vehicle so you don't have to ride the brakes, as other vehicles in this segment do. Anyway, just my point of view, great show, keep up the great work.
Thanks mate, the Prado is set up but like I said I can load that to Max GVM and still tow the Max rating and be inside the GCM! Also if you put that van on the Prado it would go backwards! Ranger has twice as much grunt as old Percy haha 😂 Percy is heavier than the ranger though which Dosnt help haha thanks mate
John Cadogan’s auto expert has a lot of very informative content on this subject.
For sure mate great recommendation
He is a tosser though
thanks guys for the vid :) sarah where did u get ur jacket love it :)
Thanks legend it’s from ottoway the label
No car should tow the maximum capacity realistically, that’s just the amount the powertrain can pull. There are a number of other factors to consider, for example, the new Everest also says 3500kg but due to payload and rear axle capacity, realistically 2.8-2.9 tonne is really pushing it depending on cargo and occupants. Just need to research all the facts on weights and limits first.
Great Video Sarah and Keelan! have a look at the new v6 Ranger with a per Rego GCM upgrade (7.2t I think) that's what I'm leaning towards
7.2 tonne?? That’s massive weight!! For sure mate you can tow just about anything
Totally agree about the Ranger Keelan. We started towing our 3.2t offroad van with the exact same model Ranger. Really struggled with the weight. Now use a Y62 Patrol which does it so easy with not much more fuel use. Feels much more planted and safe.
I bet the Y62 is a beast aye! They are very very nice cars!! Price of petrol too it’s cheap to run!!
Well done. Good review.
Thanks legend
Love your videos i am 38 and started watching ur video's and cause i work from home , and all i really need is internet...
i thought fuk it now loking for a car and caravan to travel australia 😊
This is the issue with any vehicle. Toyota Landcruiser has the same issue. Without a GVM upgrade straight out the box you can’t tow 3500kg.
Yes you can, totally different. the GVM Dosnt eat into the GCM. The towing capacity + the Max GVM = GCM so pretty much you can buy a land cruiser put as much weight in it you can aslong as your under GVM and hook your van up and tow it away. Admittedly the payload isn’t very good. But it is possible and legal to tow 3500kg out of the box.
HI guys, really great video as usual. However it may be useful to note in future trips, max speed when towing in NZ is 90 klm
Thanks Vernon! We had no idea about that rule!! Very sorry thought it was the same as Aus
Hey Keelan & Sarah, love your content keep up the great work. I'd suggest a y62 patrol when your looking at updating. More expensive in fuel but nissan seem to have a very reliable package with that 5.6 litre v8. Towing is a breeze & compared to a Landcrusier your probley be looking at a 30k saving as well, not to mention also how awesome that v8 sounds lol . Josh & Mikayla from travelling campers seem to praise the patrol also especially in the rough stuff. Anyway all the very best to the both of you, looking forward to seeing future episodes 👍
Thanks David!! Appreciate the comment mate!! I agree more L/100km but cheaper at the bowser!! Better sound too haha 😂 thanks mate cheers for the support!! Means more than ya know 🤙🏽🍻🤙🏽
No more ltr per 100 km than a landcruiser and petrol is cheaper. We have had a 3.2 ton caravan on our new Patrol for last 6 months, done 24,000 km with both towing and non towing and currently at average of 18.2 Ltr per 100km
What do you think you next car willl be what way are you heading do you think another prado
You’ll have to wait and see!!
I own a ranger, yes it can pull 3.5T but i wouldnt legally it cant either.. i Would limit it to 3T. Anything over 2.8T id be getting a bigger tow vehicle 200series or y62. For safety reall pulling 3.5T.
This seems like the common consensus but yet Ford still plate there vehicles to tow 3.5t safely and legally. Some discrepancies here! I tend to agree though mate
@@SarahandKeelanTravels id say its with most 4x4s and dual cabs out there have the same issue also. Its a piss off really.
Totoally agree mate cheers
200 series payload is only 630kg 😅
@@RocketRod63 yeah right.
But im talking theyre a more heavier vehicle so can tow a heavier van boat etc etc
If you drove the 3.2 in manual as you should when towing youd have better fuel economy and pulls caravan a lot easier, ive had jayco silverlines and ford rangers for years towing around NZ south island , and always up to max GCM never had an issue, i have heard many using toyotas having many issues especially some of the older Hilux's , Prados landcruisers with there various Engine, clutch issues over many years, id rate the Ranger V Toyotas equal plus the fact that a Prado or landcruiser cant tow the same capacity anyway up until latest models, just thought id add a comment from someone who has towed around the south island in the combo you are reviewing for years without any issues
In NZ I have a px3 ranger and tow a 2808 bs Rockwood caravan, well a Ranger here has a 3200 kg gvm and 3500 braked towing witch is 6700kgs total gcm, but you need to have a class 2 🤔 they are not 6000kgs your class 1 driver is.😅
Unfortunately I don’t think the misleading nature of tow limits is unique to ford. It’s pretty much a given across the industry at the moment.
I agree! It goes across the board bar a few! We have chosen a car that Dosnt have a misleading tow rating
Excellent presentation guys. No drawn out crap and irrelevancies like so many. Just straight to the point information. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Robert!! Appreciate the feedback mate 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽
did you change the tyre pressures for towing?
Yes mate 🤣
Nice balanced commentary.
Thanks grant!! That was my intention! I think I’ve pissed a few ranger owners off which wasn’t what I wanted haha thought I was pretty balanced! Cheers mate
We went with 2022 Triton. Mainly due to cost compared to the ranger. The Triton is rated to 3100kg, not 3500kg like the Ranger, but the numbers are more realistic, and not fudged like all the others.
Agree about Triton figures being more realistic plus can use 4H on high traction surfaces and up to 10 years warranty make a compelling offer…
Good work mate sounds like a good bus!! Love the look of the new ones! 🍻🤙🏽
Good Vid mate, though a bit hard on the ole ford as you aren’t comparing it to any other Dual Cab, just Percy. Have you actually ever Towed 3.2 ton Van through the mountains in any other Dual Cab. Yes Yes and Yes, I drive a Ranger, and I tow a 2.4ton Hybrid Van with it, always in Sports Mode ( sometimes in manual) she’s got 140 thou on the clock now, and it’s lived out bush in the goldfields towing the van with ease, and I often head down to Perth without the Van and I don’t spare the horses. Has not missed a beat.
Previous vehicle was a 200Series Cruiser. Owned three Prado’s and a 100 series before that.👍👍🤞🤞🤞🤞👍👍
Thanks mate! Narh nah I’m not being hard just honest mate! Like I said, great fuel economy, great price, plenty of power to tow 3.5t all the creature comforts and more!! But the GCM let’s them down and also like I said not the most reliable car in terms with word of mouth!! That’s just my opinion plus some facts! Percy would go backwards with that van because it’s gutless! Ranger has way more power and more creature comforts and better fuel economy! Like I said I’m not one eyed this is my honest review!