Ukraine could reactivate Soviet arms industry to outgun Putin | Prof. Jamie Shea
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- Materials and money could be key to getting Ukraine's arms industry to fill gaps in US support and extend it's long range strike campaign on key military infrastructure in Russia, Former NATO spokesperson Jamie Shea tells The World in 10
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talk is constantly about Putin’s red lines. Where are Europe’s and NATO red lines? Putin bringing in North Korean troops into his war effort apparently isn’t a red line or is it?
Totally agree with that.
We don't need red lines.
This isn't really our war.
Maybe US and Europe have already sanctioned Russia which had surprisingly little effect and already donated their best weapons, and have given, collectively $200bn in aid to Ukraine, not to mention giving NATO membership to Finland and Sweden? What would a NATO "red line" even look like? More sanctions?
Jamie Shea is right on all the talking points . And he is precise in all his arguments. A pleasure to listen to him.
Where does Putin think all the Soviet era military technology originate from?
It never came from St. Petersburg or Moscow.
From London
@marinmarinov6663 lend lease program in ww2 especially in aerospace
@@72151 what a childish question
Prof. Jamie Shea is concise and I think spot on in his assessment.
@@bro_dBow It's very well done
Yes, he is.
The degree of Russian trolling shows how worried they are
They are all over. Its so pathetic to pay people to support itself.
They pretend to be americans, european, indian, etc. And then they go against the support for Ukraine.
Hilarious
We must all continue to be vigilant.
Russian trolls come in two flavors: The professionals, including the slaves working for the Russian Computer Warfare Institue, and the amaterus, the deranged racist jingoists who believe the propaganda about Russia "defenindg itself", Ukrainian "nazis", NATO "threat", and other garbage.
No because this page us an utter laughing stock. Look back at thier videos. Absolutely nothing they say comes true. It's the most braindead deluded nonsense. Even if you hate Russian this brain rot garbage is doing you a Diss service
@@russellspeed1693 Only Cringe man practices that *cringey* vigilant activism
The alliance give old weapons and old ammunition and old
vehicles because they replace them with new and better versions
for themselfves. The prices we hear from the donated weapons
are as new prices and has NOTHING to do with the value
the 'dumps' of the Wesr are still top of the art weaponry towards Russia
Why are these ideas only now being suggested. Ideas are fine but the time delays are costing lives. Ukraine desperately needs more practical support. It cannot fall to Russia. That would create desperate problems, both short and long term, for the west.
It hasn't just been said Estonia was advocating last year that if all Ukraines partners pledged just something like 0.5 of their defence budgets over 5 years it would be able to ramp up Ukrainian defence industry and supply
Ukraine will return where it belongs, in the warm hands of mother Russia.
Denmark - the current no 1 donor to Ukraine relative to GDP at 2.1% - has just announced the financing of such a manufacturing hub in Ukraine.
Den bliver skudt i smadder, du betaler.
Will be FAB ed real quick 😂
Thank you, Denmark, for everything you have done!
@@JohnCSmith-lp1qr Rather over-optimistic! Here are two reasons why:
1. Glide bombs have to be released from over Russian or Russian-held territory and only have a range of 80 km or so, so any facility more than 80 km from the frontline is safe from glide bombs.
2. F-16s have reputedly already "bagged" their first SU-35 releasing glide bombs, so, increasingly, SU-35s will be forced to operate further back still, and it may be the peak risk from glide bombs has now been reached and the threat will be diminishing over time.
@@defendandprotect-om5hv They didn't do it because they like you, they did it for the money, Honey.
The man is spot on !
Poor old Ivans not happy to have their bubble burst.
Poor Sheep.....believe paid banditsc😊
As a Ukrainian there are talks about this. And it blows my mind that we still not making more weapons. This will surely change. It takes knowing that you won’t get help from others. To start doing it yourself unfortunately.
Still greatly appreciate all help and support from other countries. God bless
The Russians have repeatedly bombed the Motor Sich factories.
Same would happen to any others.
Ukraine has lost this war.
I thought the big problem in Ukraine was that you were running out of soldiers. Are you a soldier? What are your thoughts on this?
@@jojonesjojo8919 Ukraine is running out of everything mate. I left Ukraien when I was 8 years. I went back every year or two years. Still have friends there. People are just exhausted.
Also when you see on the news people trolling your country for no reason. Other countries might give up on you. It really brings you down.
Biden needs to enforce the 1994 memo the USA signed and retire a hero. No more talk just action is required.
The US is the most cowardly nation in the world today! They have never supported Ukraine to win this war and unlikely they will change their decisions. Safe as Americans are satisfied to sit back and watch Ukraine die as a nation. Appalling really turning a blind eye to the real need. But hen the US pushed for the Budapest memorandum having fooled Ukraine to think the agreement actually means something. Of course the US just washed their hands of it. Then Obama told Ukraine not to fight when Crimea was invaded.
I do not expect Ukraine to give up. They have been abused by Russians for decades, centuries in fact. Russians have always been a horde with no respect of concern for life of anyone.
he has
@@timthetiny7538 well yes as the document does not commit anything to help Ukraine. The USA took Ukraine to the cleaners with that document. A forced demilitarization of Ukraine was the outcome. 10"s of thousands non nuclear missiles and other weapons where given to Russia, today they use against Ukraine.
If Ukriane still their nuclear weapons I doubt Putin would have invaded.
The world knows not that unless a country can join a NATO type organisation they need to develop their own nuclear weapons in order to be safe.
@@timthetiny7538 Think on ,did it include letting Ukraine be turned in to a waste land and allow thousands of Ukrainian people to be murdered ? Children kidnaped ? Have you seen what Russians did to Bucha ???
@@timthetiny7538 how has he?
If they elect Trump im done supporting America.
This American blames you not at all.
Then get off this American website.
@@timthetiny7538 Make me :)
While I support Ukraine, I'm not sure I want Ukraine expanding their weapons industry to the point that they will be a major arms supplier in the future. we have too much of those already. Lift all restrictions, and give Ukraine what it needs, and the job will get done.
obviously you don't understand the problem.
😂
The Kremlin gremlins are here to convince, no one.
This is a war of attrition, the Russians are spending a massive amount in equipment and manpower in Kursk, which is another reason why it was a good strategic move for the Ukrainians to attack and hold that region
It's amazing how much Soviet production and engineering was carried in the Ukraine and how many Soviet heroes were Ukrainian. No wonder Russia is trying to take it back.
Ukraine was best armed republic in USSR just number of S300 systems were staggering.
I think it's crazy how many people pretend that the Soviet space programme was Russian, and you look at the major figures behind it, and it's always... Korolev? Ukrainian. Glushko? Ukrainian. Chelomey? Ukrainian....
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 USSR was % wise more Ukrainian than Russian, Trotsky, Kamenev, Zhdanov all Ukrainians, even Red army was way more Ukrainian than ethnic Russian. Much of the rocket program was practically developed in Dnipro.
Yes, Putin thinks that his empire will become powerful again with the Ukrainians, but what use is Ukraine to Putin without the Ukrainians, who he will never get. Every territory he conquers is without people and 100% destroyed. The value of Ukraine is its educated people, the empty land is secondary.
@@martstam2016 The USSR might have had its 'brain' in Moscow, but its heart was in Ukraine.
To avoid those worries you express, America vote blue and don’t give any Republicans any advantage in the American policy makers. It’s about time American foreign policy to be decisive.
Wish people could get their history right. "In 1812 Napoleon got all the way to Moscow, burned the city down, but still lost.." Not so. Napoleon did indeed get to Moscow, but it was already burned because the Russians themselves burned it down before they withdrew. And the Russians also burned the fields near Moscow, so there was no food. And then they waited for the winter to finish them off. So Napoleon took the city, but there was nothing there. He ended up spending a few months sitting in a burned out city, watching disease and starvation destroy his army, and then withdrew.
Mostly defeated by typhus and dysentery, never by force of ruSSian arms.
They would have done it already, come on, you think Ukraine isn't really desperate yet? Cope.
Until I came across this channel I never realized what a bunch of fools run the security establishment
It boggles the mind doesnt it?
grants to Ukraine to manufacture weapons need to come with robust oversight (mainly to protect Ukraine from Russian allied actors in Ukraine)...
no making sure that corrupt officials dont try to get in on the take is the biggest issue
How well would Ukraine protect these factories, particularly if they became more important to the war effort. Is putting them underground that simple?
Moon?
Russia will destroy electricity grid , telecommunications, bridges and rail network . Ukraine couldn’t manufacture a bike in those sorts of conditions . The world is starting to lose interest in Ukraine . When Trump gets in game over
@@TrevorCrook-c1s that trump clown will get "retired" the second he "gets in"
@@TrevorCrook-c1s You have the Allied state of mind from WWII. Despite the massive bombing raids over Germany, their peak military production was second half of 1944 into 1945.
They can't ....just cheap talk
❤Ukraine ❤
@13:#0 I think the _actual_ sequence was that the *Russians* burned Moscow down _before_ Napoleon got there.
This guy is from another dimension
Once again, another analyst repeats the "Napoleon burned down Moscow" myth. He did not; his plan was to stay in a relatively-intact Moscow over the winter. Russia burned its own cities, including Moscow. And most of Napoleon's troops were lost fighting in Ukraine, and a large % of the people he was fighting against were Ukrainian.
Do you think that it is a good idea to give Ukraine money to build weapons factories?
Do you think that President Putin will not target those weapons factories?
What does that equal?
It equals throwing good money after bad.
Now if President Putin allows this war to drag on and on, how much money will Europe be willing to plow into Ukraine then?
Putin already targets everything including elementary schools and hospitals.
@@Jackie-cy1bp They have to find those factories first. Ha, ha ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😀
Take no notice of putler.
@@boink800 uh... I have some bad news for you from Mykolaiv.
😂😂😂 "Ukraine could reactivate Soviet arms industry to outgun Putin"
A this stage thats like saying the BBC could reactivate Jim ill fix it to restore ratings.😂😂.
@@Jimmy-ye3wg Is Jimmy your big hero?
@@boink800 he fixed you I'd say😄, hence your name. 😄
Wouldn’t it be better to build weapons somewhere that Putin can’t hit and which has a consistent source of electricity. Ukraine does have a great history in this area but you’ve very vulnerable to having your factory bombed.
Exactly, the problem is that place doesn't exist.
The West will take years to ramp up production and it would bankrupt us.
Underground ,as car parks are built and schools in Ukraine. More expensive but needs must. Plus max air defence iron dome type..
@@APW-ry2ok How far underground do you think you need to be to stop a Kinzhal.
Iran builds their missile repositories etc. into mountain sides.
And you think you could do that without the Russians noticing.
This is magical thinking..
@@s0ycapitan Soon Russia will have no funds to continue ,its interest rate is 19% no one is going to lend them money ,Gasprom no longer makes a profit,its currency is worthless, next year with all the sanctions it will be joining North Korea. Putin is finished he just finding out his BS isn’t working so well now.Oh yes and the world has seen its weapons are not fit for purpose.
@@APW-ry2okislander would deal with that
This headline is almost like saying "Britain to reactive steel industry". It's gone, and they don't have enough people who knew how to run something on that scale left, and the large work force required are on the front line.
@@dogred431 I guess we do not have that "can-do" attitude
If only there was a massive allied country with vast steel production as well as agriculture
To some extent you are being silly. 40 years is a long time for unused weapon production, design, and engineering resources to be useful.
I'm not saying Ukraine isn't capable. I'm just saying the premise of the headline is absurd.
And hey, it’s a great idea. Question is who’s going to man these factories that will be blown up.
Russia doesn't aim at military targets.
@@boink800 really? You believe that?
@@smackattack4284 Please tell us about that Children's Hospital in Kyiv
@@smackattack4284 Please tell us about that pizzeria in Kharkiv in the summer of 2023.
The population of Ukraine was 40 million. Now it’s 20 million. After the crocus attack, Russia has been focusing on destroying infrastructure. No way a munitions factory can succeed in Ukraine.
Wishful thinking media 🤣
Nonsense. If all of that could be usefully reactivated it would have by now.
Just needs attention to get people thinking and acting on the possibilities.
@@defendandprotect-om5hv Well where were the big ukrianian military industry? In the Donbass, and Kharkiv. Thank you this conversation is over.
Europe need to De-Escalate American influence...
Why is that? To allow Russia to invade another country?
This American gave you a thumbs up and agrees.
There are no trained personnel to run and operate these facilities.
Did we judge that? So smart of you.
@@boink800 That's what was written on the documentary of them recieving those machines, that they got the machines but don't have trained operatives to work it.
No wonder Ukraine is losing with suggestions like this.
3. Day. War.
....reactivate.... to outgun Russia ?
Couldn't find end of this joke !
Most of this so-called 'Ukrainian' defense industry from Soviet times was actually Russian. For example, Antonov was a Russian engineer and his first airplane factory was in the Urals. Then the Soviets gave it to the so-called Ukraine.
@mitchyoung93 It was Ukrainians which ran those industries in Ukraine
The good professor does not understand Trump if he thinks that Putin would not simply flatter Trump, and convince him to exit NATO.
White British are a minority in London and Birmingham.
@@mitchyoung93 Do we want only "white"?
Racists aren't
@mitchyoung93 Do we only Wan everything white?
And?
@@mitchyoung93 Do we not like other colors?
Zelenski's Victory plan can't possibly fail. He's an expert military strategist...and comedian too.
Just like Putin, but Zelenskey has a soul, and he can see himself when he stands in front of a mirror
He's demonstrability better at it than Putin. Russia has yet to kick him out of office. That's all the argument you need.
@@AndrewTubbiolo He's a lot like what the President of U.S.A. and the Prime Minister of Canada would be like given those kinds of Circumstances, if U.S.A. and Canada had those circumstances and they would have had the kinds of advice he had to deal with.
@@kennethvenezia4400 I didn't hear about his mirror that much.
Lol 😂 comedy show
Yea, can't Russia co-produce a comedy show with China?
We find it so funny ... like a good little botski would.
It’s the problem of military industrial complex. Not only does it want grow its markets it doesn’t want to support future competition. The ideal of restarting Soviet era military industry in Ukraine has been floated around. In couple years only a fraction has been put to use. Why the rest hasn’t is from lack of capital investment. Which Ukraine is need on aid to do such. But the west has only supported Ukraine in the form of items that are replaced by their military industry. Most of the aid for military has little to no target to support Ukraine military industry. In thought it seems the right thing to do long term. But will and interest from west isn’t there. It’s situation of politicians in the west beholding to its military industrial complex.
Makes too much sense.
The title makes me laugh. Ukraine could plant a rainbow flag on Uranus too. 😂😂😂
Why would they want to compete with
yours ?
Ukraine’s war industry is greatly under estimated. Putin definitely won’t use his rusty old nukes - because he knows Ukraine has had 3 years to rearmed its nuclear arsenal. Ukraine’s ability to put a nuclear weapon on one of the drones/missiles hitting Russia must terrify Putin. Ukraine has the materials, expertise and resources to build Nuclear weapons. Ukraine has one of the largest atomic energy sectors in the world. In 1949, the first Nuclear Weapon detonated by the USSR was designed by Ukrainians in “Laboratory No 1” in Kharkiv.
Putin and the Oligarchs must now factor into their plans the likelihood that Ukraine has nuclear weapons in serial production and a delivery system that can reach Moscow.
Ukraine acceded to the NPT on the express stipulation that Russia and other nations provide security guarantees in the Budapest Declaration - which Russia has breached. In 2022/3 Russia & Belarus also breached the NPT when Belarus agreed to “host” Russian tactical nuclear weapons. The fig leaf hiding this breach is that the warheads are under the “control’ of Russia. Seminally these weapons are attached to missiles which are under the full control of Belarus. International observers agree this amounts to the weapons being under the control of Belarus (ie they hold the power to decide to launch without further reference to Russia.)
On April 15, 2021, Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany Melnyk said that if Ukraine is not allowed to join NATO, his country might have to reconsider its status as a non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense. During the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Zelensky renewed such sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine could view the Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security assurances not be met. There is strong international opinion that Ukraine legally doesn’t need to withdraw from the NPT, the agreement has been rendered moot for Ukraine at the moment Russia breached the Budapest Declaration.
(The West negotiated the Budapest Declaration for Russia and disarmed all their surrounding states. Now Russians are giving assistance for WMDs to Iran and the DPRK. Russians are forcing Ukraine to rebuild its WMDs. Russians have put Nuclear weapons in the hands of Belarus. Russians will eventually need to clean up the mess they’ve made.)
The West has already recognised that a nuclear armed Ukraine (and Belarus) is inevitable. In April 2023, former US president Bill Clinton expressed regret at pressuring Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons, in light of the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine and escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian War from 2022. Clinton would only make a foreign policy statement like that if it was approved by the current administration. For Americans, it’s an often used back door way of announcing an unpopular inevitability.
Significantly, Ukraine has not signed or ratified the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW). In October 2023, Ukraine changed its vote from “abstain” to “against” for the annual UNGA resolution reaffirming the TPNW. Why would a State threatened by a nuclear neighbour vote against the TPNW … unless they are themselves rearming?
This makes sense. At the moment, Putin rattling his rusty old nukes is just seen as hot air. The West’s surveillance capacity is very good. They know exactly where every Russian WMD is and if it’s being prepared for use. If Putin’s threats do become serious, someone will then have to launch a preemptive decapitation strike of Russia’s major cities and missile silos. France, Britain and the USA don’t want that stain on their reputation. It’s much better if Ukraine does the job with wholly indigenous weapons - it can then be unambiguously seen as David striking down a bone head Goliath. Before that, Ukraine is unlikely to suddenly announce it is a nuclear power. They are more likely to adopt the same policy as Israel - “Nuclear ambiguity”. If you were Putin (or his Oligarchs), would you take the risk? I wonder how ordinary Russians in Moscow, Novgorod and St Petersburg will react when they realise they’re within range of Ukrainian nuclear weapons?
As an aside, Ukraine does not have International inspectors. The State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate of Ukraine (SNRIU) reports to the Ukrainian cabinet. The inspection power for the Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT) is notoriously weak, really only supported by the Open Skies Treaty which enables flyovers of territory. But the risk of Russia shooting down an inspection plane makes even that impossible. There’s also usually voluntary access to inspectors which, regrettably, Ukraine has had to suspend due to Russia’s systematic targeting of their power infrastructure. The only remaining independent international inspectors are at Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station. So Ukraine is free to advance its weapons program with minimal oversight.
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Perhaps this is already the case, because Zelenskyj increasingly gives the impression that he still has an ace up his sleeve.
Necessity is the Mother of Invention 👀
Maybe the Ukraine old weapons manufacturing should lower it's prices to sort of stay alive.
whos the editor baghdad bob
Shortly, Ukrainian weapons industry was mostly decommissioned in the '90s, good luck "reactivating" it.
While the concept may sound good it's not something you can just do, like flipping a switch.
Lots of factories got abandoned, good equipment probably got sold, what was left in place is probably so rusty and vandalized by now you may hardly recognise it.
The people who had most practical and theoretical knowledge were in their 40's when they had to go look for new jobs, today they are either retired or emigrated, or both. Only people who were then in their 20's and 30's are still on the job market today.
Granted, money could help reactivate some of the capabilities but most of it will have to come from new industrial capabilities and from the younger generations, plus technology and manpower transfer from the allies.
They should have in the first weeks of the Russian aggression
Taxes going up and services going down and you think you can persuade people to pay more taxes for Ukraine 😂
Needs must
Its even worse in Russia allot worse
@@robertscott961 yeh but I don’t care about Russia I do care about the UK
@@allencameron3419 Do you not care about all the women and kids killed in Ukraine ???
@@allencameron3419 Your opinion is a tiny minority in the UK Thankfully :)
Pie in the Sky. They could start by buying back the weapons that Ukraine Oligarchs have sold so far on the black market!! It would be doubtful that any more money would find its way through the corruption and skimming in order to build a bakery never mind an arms production facility.
in year one the president of Nigeria actually complained to the U.N. about all of the black market NATO weaponry turning up in his country
Where are these F-16's?
They are doing their job in Ukraine. Why don't you go to Ukraine and see if for yourself.
@@boink800 Noone is allowed to go to thier war as we are Canadians and are not included literally in thier war.
"Aluminum"? Thought that was an American word 🤔
As idea. A Ukrainian military industry would be a big target.
It would be but the Russians don't aim at military targets.
@@allenmoses110 Since when do the Russians aim at military targets?
It already has been, hence there's nothing left.
@@allenmoses110 Russia only goes for civilian targets
"Ukraine could"? then why didn't they? My question is - After 2 and a half year being terrorized by Putin, why didn't they reactivate the Soviet arms industry if the could do that? I know it requires money, but the Ukr. government has got a lot of financial help part of which which should be invested in that reactivating.
Probably they have to an extent. The Bohdana mobile artillery for example and 152mm shells. They've also spent their money on drones which are not made by the big defence companies. They've developed their neptune missile and so on.
Ever heard of "Iskander" missiles.
A warehouse in Nikopol just received five of them.
Any weapons production would get the same.
That money is for zelenskys friends 😂😂😂
@@s0ycapitan It hasn't managed to stop the Ukranians producing weapons in quite large numbers anyhow so this is irrelevant.
@@paulpaisley5291 That is how you Orcs behave but the reason that the rest of the world is more civilised than you is because it's not how we behave.
17:36 The 45th would gladly sell Alaska back to Pootin; if he 'thought', he'd get a smile from inside the Kremlin walls.
He looks after his own interests first, the USA and even his nephew's medical condition are a distant 2nd or 3rd place, if not lower.
Yes he is right Ukraine can produce more weapons than Russia .
Ukr is very much outgunned - the artillery advantage is estimated at 10:1 in favour of Russia. Give the Ukr govt the money to spend itself? Ok, with rife corruption and huge amounts of money and materiel already going missing over several years (popping up all over the world on the black market), is that a sensible policy? You might find even more villas in the South of France with Ukr ownership.
You seem to forget that the first USSR Atomic bomb was designed by Ukraine in Kherson. Putin has been rattling his old nukes and giving them away like candy to Iran, DPRK and Belarus for three years now. They have plenty of nuclear fuel in their reactors, and obviously they have the technology. We all knew at the start of this that all Ukraine needed was three years to replace their nuclear arsenal. Putin would be very brave if he assumes they haven’t done it already. It makes the whole “red lines” thing a bit of a joke really.
Why should Ukraine reactivate old Soviet arm industry? Why not make the more modern NATO modern industry?
We thought that Russians have arms that are outdated?😂
These fools. Brava Russia 🇷🇺🇨🇳🇮🇷🇰🇵
“Could”
Shouldn't ukraine request arms and ammo from Russia? After all they have it and Europe doesn't.
Ukraine gets plenty of free Russian arms and ammo from captured arms and ammo.
If Russia has plenty of ammo why does putler beg it from Iran and Korea ??
What a nonsensical post!
@@andrewjenkinson7052 It's a paid Russian troll
@@boink800 From where would they capture it? They move backwards.
Great idea have Ukraine build the weapons they need, much lower cost and delivery more on time instead of this drip drip that is happening today.
Ukraine is winning 😂
In 1812 the Russians burned Moscow Not the French. Like all defeats in Russia the primary cause was winter. In history Russia has lost territory in wars. WW1 they lost territory to the German peace treaty. Russia has been defeated many times and during the Napoleonic era by the french. They lost the Crimean war The Russo Japanese war etc. To say that Russia can not be defeated is a falsehood. There are many "Members" of the Russian Federation that would love their independence back. Like Chechnya, Siberia, etc. If they all revolted at the same time as Russia is fighting Ukraine it is game over for the Russian federation.
Amazing the plethora of explanations for and against. It is very likely that the old saying that necessity is the mother of invention is true here.
Drone technology is a good example, seagoing and otherwise so why not ordinary weapons like artillery pieces etc. Ukraine have certainly showed the russians the way in drones so why not other weapons?
Our imagination has no limits given the relative present bottom up attitudes in place in Ukraine. They have the developing knowledge that is encouraged by need and it is showing in the battlefield. Hopefully it will develop even more. We are all very good at commenting but let us wait and see.
I don't see how they could do this without Mariopole
Rebuild north Carolina
Oh Canada ...
Bulgaria and Romania are NATO members. Would they legally be able to use drones to target Russian forces in Ukraine at the invitation of the Ukrainian government? They would not be attacking Russia, only Russian invaders.
The drone operators would be outside the war zone and any attack on them from Russia would trigger retaliation from the whole of NATO.
Oh, you're throwing in the people of Bulgaria and Romania now..?
This is a fairy tale. Ukraine was best armed republic in USSR just number of S300 systems were staggering. They had huge production resources but mostly are sold-out. Skilled workers are now dead, old or went to Russia to work for their post Soviet defence industry. Practically there are more Ukrainian specialists in RF than in Ukraine, it's easy to check, last names ending with ko, uk, ich, ik are or Ukrainian or Belorussian.
Thank you for this very funny botski fairy tale. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
@@boink800 whatever you think but if Yuzhmash, Kharkiv tank factory ..etc are derelict now. It must start from the scratch, probably is even better. What botski means?
@martstam2016 The Ukrainian drone industry is now world class. Tanks are from a past era
@@boink800 sure but that is not from Soviet time as Shea says. It's brand new. BTW they use DJI FPV drones as a base for modifications. Without China would be less than 5% done. EU practically bought almost the whole DJI production of drones with 5+kg capacity for Ukraine.
Intro… hmmm “give money to them to purchase locally from their own manufacturers”. Please let’s revoke this guys British status, this is not how international arms trading works. If prices are high to buy shells, why do you think US manufacturers are pumping out shells? We could loan them some money for an exorbitant interest rate or trade, but not for something we could sell them (especially obsolete to us) at an even better return. Cmon man. 😂
What we are hearing here is the best scenario. If Trump gains power, he will hold europe to ransom. Europeans will need to do what neccessary to ensure that Ukriane wins the war without the US. Europe has the weapons and manpower to get the job done if they have the political will to do so.
If Trump supports ras Putin America will be breaking NATO sanctions. With Trumps 50% "tariffs" on imports and NATO applying Tariffs on Imports from America Trump would not last long before he causes another insurrection.
Times Radio goes full slapstick 😂
Dear Europeans, Trump isn’t inevitable.
Speaker heavily underestimates Ukraine stealing industry. All former Soviet industry went there including specialists and technologies.
AFU Losses [by Western sources]: This is a Bomb: according to Western estimates, the losses of the AFU since the beginning of the SMO reach 1.8 million people, of which 780 thousand were killed. For June - mid October: 265,000 from which 45,000 have been killed. It is noted that the losses of the AFU from June to mid-October 2024 were significant and stunning: up to 55,000 - 65,000 people every month. Such losses are intolerable, no army can withstand such losses for a long time.
you poor orc!
Doesn't matter how much you spam the comments sections it still won't make it true
@@victorsmall7 He is living in a dreamland, getting news directly from Pravda.
Its 2024 not 1944...... We have the internet and can fact check anything you say in seconds..... Why waste you time spewing Russian propaganda..... It doesnt work anymore
This botski told everyone that Russia would easily take all of the Donetsk by April 2023. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Woulda coulda shouda...
He’s won
The British should send the Sheffield. That'll scare the Russians.
What is " The sheffield " as a person who lives in sheffield i would like to know ..
@@robertscott961They used it on Argentina.
@@Bird_McBride I take it English is not your first language ?? . I take it you mean HMS Sheffield.... Sadly she was sank during the Falklands conflict on May 10, 1982
@@robertscott961 by a french exocet missile.
@@Bird_McBrideYou're making ah cuxx of yourself
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I heard a Russian aircraft snuck up on one of those F-16's and scared the F-16.
Did we really hear that? From where? RT?
@@boink800 it's been all over the news how a Russian aircraft narrowly missed the F-16.
@@Bird_McBride Which news? RT? RT is not real news
@@Bird_McBride Do we only read that botski news? Hint: it's not reality.
@@boink800 so you're now saying the idiot Russian pilot didn't do that?
Calculus? Don't use words when you don't know what they mean
KAKA
Ean out of shovels lol😂
@@JohnCSmith-lp1qr Did the Goldstein troll make anyone angry today? No? Nobody? Ha, ha ha ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😀
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Was going to see if you could get through this without any Trump derrangement syndrome. Nope. Lol😂
Could...smh
Russia rules the world and Putin is Zeuss!!
@@Haffschlappe We must love our Master, right?
Time for your med's ? Nurse !
The most never loose hope people I have ever seen. The people of this station!
It doesn't matter whether the writing is clear on the wall, they will say what they hope. Faith beyond comprehension!
That Chris Biggins has let himself go.
I think Ford should be building Tanks
Sadly, this industry is cut for scrap metal and sold; the professionals retired/died/moved elsewhere. =(
censored again unsubbing, i suggest anyone else who is being censored unsup as well, if they let russian trolls post but not patriots. they dont get my support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems that the speakers are either both weak in history and politics, or just weak
😂😂😂😂😂 What a clown! 😂😂😂
Ukraine created nothing during 30 years of its Independence 🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@Infopirates The Goldstein troll tries yet again to make people angry. Ha ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😀 😜
@@boink800 Truth hurts 😁
@@Infopirates you wouldnt know the truth if it passed in front of you.
@@ryangomez4462 is Ukraine winning again? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Infopirates how many losses will your master Putin need to take a day for your dull brain to comprehend his folly?
Jamie is back with yet more silly fantasies. Fantastic
@@russellspeed1693 Cringe man can only give us those *cringey* Cringe man fantasies
@@russellspeed1693 Cringe man spews yet more repeat *cringe*
@@russellspeed1693 Any Cringe man *cringe* means yet another ruined day