glider landing in thunderstorm

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  • During a glider landing at CCSC a thunderstorm blew in forcing gliders to land. This was hairy stuff. No ILS, no instrument system.

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  • @xxtwr1
    @xxtwr1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Holy Cripes people. Thunderstorms do crop up suddenly, and can catch private pilots off guard. Landing, whether it be a glider or powered a/c, under a thunderstorm is difficult. The wind can shift suddenly and even create downdrafts which the pilot needs to compensate for. The landing was what the pilot had. And he did well. Lets all give him praise and wish his career and sport a safe one.

  • @winterka100
    @winterka100 12 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Considering the situation the pilot was in, he probably thought it was the most satisfying landing he had ever made.

    • @alanaldpal950
      @alanaldpal950 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am sure he thought it was satisfying…. Until he saw any damage to his plane…… just part of the normal roller coaster of emotions when flying, especially gliders.

  • @GarrardA59
    @GarrardA59 13 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This landing was made at the 2007 U.S. Sports Class Nationals. I witnessed the landing from the left of the camera. A sudden overdeveloped squall line came through. All the armchair quarterbacks second guessing the situation here have no knowledge of the conditions and extreme skill shown by many pilots that day in getting safely on the ground during this race. Don is an excellent pilot and his plane had only a green grass stain on the starboard wing. Gary Adams GA2

  • @cloudstreets1396
    @cloudstreets1396 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    If it were any other sailplane, it would be missing the tail after that landing.

  • @lhitchins
    @lhitchins 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Good job, as a glider pilot I can tell you that he/she would of been able to see F all with the canopy being hit by that amount of rain.

    • @lhitchins
      @lhitchins 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No wipers on the canopy

  • @iflyc77
    @iflyc77 15 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    It flew again the next day - no damage.

    • @keepthemhonest2
      @keepthemhonest2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was looking at what the tail did during the spin - it just managed to stay up so didn't receive any stress hence the no damage. Bet the pilot had a stiff neck

  • @Airborneready
    @Airborneready 13 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Looking at the conditions he was under, That is a very good landing. I take my hat off to the pilot.

  • @Scwirul
    @Scwirul 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Reson11 Rain gets onto the windshield, there are no wipers on a glider, or autopilot or advanced navigation / altitude / speed indicators...
    All this combined with strong crosswinds and turbulence, I'd say he did pretty well!

  • @krbosak
    @krbosak 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    The final factor about wing aerodynamics and the rain, is that the wings are heavier, increasing wing load and speed. Also, droplets form into corridors supporting the lokal wake on wing surface, thus making any vortex responsible for stall to be more durable.

  • @ryanm406638
    @ryanm406638 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you have a tailwind. My point was that the pilot should have stayed calm, overflown the field, turned around, then landed into the wind, right? I don't understand why rain is a factor. No matter what direction the pilot landed, there is gonna be rain...

  • @happy2006283
    @happy2006283 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    no its when you have flurries.
    If you land at normal speed (110Km/h) and a flurry occurs with 40 Km/h in your back you get a stall if the plane can fly only at 80 km/h properly. In a thunderstorm you don't know where the flurries are coming from so you have to fly a bit faster than usual.
    Rain is an also important factor for glider planes. If the raindrops lie on the wings the resistance rises because the air can't flow properly.
    Yes I know I'm a wiseass xD

  • @Mav1843
    @Mav1843 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the pilot was forced to take those speeds due to the huge down wind. The pilot was lucky for not stalling at 200 feet. That would have been horrible!

  • @katobaggins
    @katobaggins 12 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    After seeing this, I will be applying RainX to everything I ever fly! It works great on my car.

    • @johnkaimins9998
      @johnkaimins9998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Be careful not to apply RainX to certain plastics!

  • @kat13man
    @kat13man 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice landing. Excellent pilot skills. Rather daring, really.

  • @Gregor6712
    @Gregor6712 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is no a big problem with visibility out of the canopy during this landing, it is similar to what You see on the video. The drops will me moved by the speed and that keeps the canopy cleaner as in a car with wipers.
    For me that was a horrible and stupid landing with way to high speed. The hanging right wing could have killed him, but like we say in germany: "as more stupid the farmer, as bigger the potatoes".

  • @CdH94
    @CdH94 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    looks like he had a tailwind, then wind shear or something near the ground, cuz that was NOT pattern airspeed XD

  • @2namelt
    @2namelt 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you were a glider pilot you would know that landing in any size of thunderstorm can be a very challenging task, maybe he had a 40 kt crosswind, his approach speed seemed fairly close for the type of glider.

  • @helipilot727
    @helipilot727 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    well, it was not pattern ground speed, but we have no idea of his airspeed, it looked pretty windy and it looked like he had a quartering tail wind. Intentional ground loop I think too. Lucky landing.

  • @Gregor6712
    @Gregor6712 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    The wing is hanging all the time during the whole landing. I do not see any strong turbulences. Those You could see on plane reaction, independend in what direction the turbulences would be.
    Sometimes the turbulences are so strong, You can not override it with steering, but that is definetly not the case here.
    The wing hanging looks to me like somebody who is used to fly Cessna (with high and short wing) but no sailplane.

  • @ryanm406638
    @ryanm406638 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    That person should have taken his/her time. Looks like the pilot was in such a rush to get to the ground that they didn't mind going fast and wing first eh?

  • @timyarrow8844
    @timyarrow8844 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Call to glider: "Honey, I'm fertile tonight. Time to make a baby."
    Pilot: "Yeah, be right there!"

  • @RakkuAmiya
    @RakkuAmiya 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad they walked away from this arrival. However I wonder if there were other options available rather than trying to land at this airfield during a storm? With a thunderstorm working, clearly there was convection going on so possibly route to another airstrip or plan for a field landing and recovery via trailer/ground crew. I'd wager that glider had quite a repair bill! Oh well they're safe at least.

  • @rugbynimbus
    @rugbynimbus 14 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Moments later, all of them died from a lightning strike in the middle of that open field.

  • @tomprid3
    @tomprid3 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    and thers also the weight of the water on the wings aswell
    so you could end up with a less efficiant wing with a larger wing loading leading to easier spin situations

  • @6axe1man5
    @6axe1man5 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes lets all praise the pilot for crashing...I've landed in similar conditions no problem....just approach at 100kts and keep the wings level like you would as normal...on the plus side at least he walked away from it

  • @draconisgubernator
    @draconisgubernator 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    real name for this video is "glider crashing in thunderstorm"...

  • @5Fiend
    @5Fiend 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in that rain You dont really see very well.. I think this could be a part of the problem.

  • @boahneelassmal
    @boahneelassmal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    tactical landing. no need to turn the aircraft to push it towards the hangar. :P

  • @grimeuphoria
    @grimeuphoria 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two thumbs up for the landing in extremely dangerous conditions. Composite construction and the good possibility of a lightning strike demanded an immediate landing. Without a mesh in the layup to allow the current to flow a direct strike would have caused a catastrophic structural failure. Is that a Genesis sailplane?

  • @RevolutionJetTeam
    @RevolutionJetTeam 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    The point is, everybody made it through safely. It's fun to point out every mistake that was made, but in difficult situations, the important thing is safe return. This isn't a walk in the park, that much is obvious. Performance in that kind of rain is rock bottom.
    Cut some slack, appreciate the positive side.

  • @RakkuAmiya
    @RakkuAmiya 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent all-round then. Thanks for letting me know! Graeme.

  • @SgtRevan
    @SgtRevan 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    He was correcting for the crosswind with a slip and I guess he misinterpretted the length of his wings, thus hitting the ground, and he did what he could to stop it.

  • @SklandytojasML
    @SklandytojasML 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it is Genesis

  • @8800thomas
    @8800thomas 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lucky that the body didn´t caused any damage such as if it divided into two pieces, though it did do a small groundloop.
    But best of all - The pilot(s) could walk away from the accident.

  • @r2kordmaa
    @r2kordmaa 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    ugh, yeah gliders and rain dont mix well, you cant see anything in front of you, only on the sides, and from the tiny window.

  • @GutpileCharlie
    @GutpileCharlie 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "No ILS, no instrument system." What in the hell is that suppose to mean? A thunderstorm comes up....get it on the ground!
    Why do we have to endure these inane comments?
    These videos and comments never cease to amuse....and aggravate me.
    Why does anything concerning aviation draw the comments from every twelve year old on the internet? Please, if you don't know what you are talking about.....keep your comments to yourself. You will appear a hell of a lot smarter!

    • @rossclements8874
      @rossclements8874 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

    • @maxdieters2880
      @maxdieters2880 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep... if anyone here knew anything about gliding they would know that how he landed is a procedure to stop in time in case you're not gonna be able to stop before the end of the field, nose slightly down, one wing down and full rudder to the opposite side as soon as you hit ground. You will make a 180 and stop within a few meters

  • @atenco01
    @atenco01 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    ...kudos man...No winshield wiper, I assume so you just put it down...Any landing you walk away from is a good landing...

  • @TheSoarer151
    @TheSoarer151 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    the damage sustained could have been avoided had he landed out, which would have been the smartest thing to do before the storm really starts going

  • @happy2006283
    @happy2006283 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes i mean gust ^^
    If the raindrops lie on the wings of the plane the wind resistance rises because the air can't flow properly over the wings because there are raindrops on it that disturb the flow.
    I don't know how to describe it better sorry

  • @fastattack1
    @fastattack1 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think this was idiotic on behalf of the pilot especially if he was just flying locally.. cross country maybe.. but even then I would not risk flying in a thunderstorm. Even if it was a competition.. I would've either waited it out or landed at a nearby airport or field, outside of the storm.

  • @SuperAviatar
    @SuperAviatar 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some days, there is great lift... then a monster cloud comes along and sucks up all the tiddlers. If you are cleared to fly cross country, you can go and watch from ten miles away, and come back when things get better!! I had a first flight on type in similar weather... three hours in the log book for what should have been about 20 or 30 minutes.... and a great view of the lightning! Ah, nature....

  • @AlexGerau
    @AlexGerau 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, that guy was realy realy lucky to get away with that landing. That could have ended much worse!
    Good video for training though. Shows you, how you should not do it.

  • @wordreet
    @wordreet 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ouch! Glad he was ok.

  • @byvestuk
    @byvestuk 17 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dang, never hope to such a landing!
    Speed was very high, good reaction of the pilot though he would've fallen out of the sky just by the wheight of the rain :s

  • @Mobev1
    @Mobev1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is why my club only has brs parachutes on my field.

  • @pstrzel
    @pstrzel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the reasons for the fast final was probably because stall speed is much higher with wet wings. Perhaps that was the only good decision he/she made that day. All's well that ends well.
    Sincerely,
    Peanut

    • @piotreknitka4362
      @piotreknitka4362 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rain is also increasing stall speed
      Rain is disturbing the airflow over the wing and decreasing your lift so you need more speed to produce the same lift as wet wing
      For Example Jantar 2b normal glide ratio 50:1 in rain about 20:1

    • @z777g
      @z777g 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats amazing since rain has little effect on powered aircraft, from Cessna's to 747s.
      I guess a large laminar wing is different.

    • @andrewpreston4127
      @andrewpreston4127 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As already said on replies on this thread, rain makes you go down quicker. Also, although I haven't flown a glider on years, I did once own a Pik-20d. The wing design was very critical, and rain on the wings had a very adverse effect on the glide ratio.

    • @z777g
      @z777g 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glide ratio wouldnt be a real factor since he made the field.
      I think stall speed only goes up ~ 6KTS on this type in rain ?
      He made the field and did well until he dropped a wing.
      ... ah, any landing you can walk away from was a good landing.

  • @supertrucker2077
    @supertrucker2077 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13 years later... thanks TH-cam 🙄

  • @Gregor6712
    @Gregor6712 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    I own a glider and a motorized plane. No one glider pilot would let a wing hang down during landing. He was really lucky: the airfield was so slippery. If that would be dry concrete, I wonder if he would survived after a hanging wing touch the ground. I have seen a similar situation when the ground stopped the hanging wing immediately, and turned the plane upside down. High landing speed may make sense in some ocasions, but definetly not here. Strong crosswind You could see on video.

  • @gtafan2006
    @gtafan2006 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    just goes to show ya storms can move in without notice on a really nice day. i know last night there was a storm but it said nothing about storms in the weather forecast

  • @seanlee747
    @seanlee747 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like all that bank was for cross wind correction. Hey, looks like he survived, thats a good landing to me.

  • @MrTommy001
    @MrTommy001 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like the Grim Reaper was looking the other way that day...

  • @fr3dcat
    @fr3dcat  17 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never asked him. From my vantage point standing on the ground it appears that two things happened. 1. He was in a region of very high sink and 2. I really don't know how he could even see out of the canopy as it was a heavy thunderstorm. I never asked him about his landing as I never met the man.

  • @2namelt
    @2namelt 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you not ever experienced extreme lift or sink in a thunderstorm? Sometimes it can push one wing up or down which is probably what happened

  • @stefanastley777
    @stefanastley777 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Try landing with half your performance in

  • @b26maurader
    @b26maurader 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would have just been happy to get on the ground. I would also rather ground loop it than run straight into trees off the other end.
    Good job.

  • @dusanzgonc5001
    @dusanzgonc5001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Panica, no go chichen ?

  • @happy2006283
    @happy2006283 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    if the wind blows hard you have to land at a faster speed.

  • @gajiraanorimaki
    @gajiraanorimaki 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ha ha a squeeze to balls.. (in clouds with "human instr. flyn") 😄

  • @wa1zlv
    @wa1zlv 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    WTF, three of four guys run out and not one of them brings out an umbrella??? ;-)
    Glad everyone was ok.

  • @krbosak
    @krbosak 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    9cee2w4wf8a , good remarks. At least we can learn something instead of stupid saying 'they made it' as if the situation would be under their control.

  • @Scwirul
    @Scwirul 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @StadtkewitzTV Except, that's not what it sounded like he implied...

  • @thecartel69
    @thecartel69 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lucky the grass was wet, do that in the dry and it would have got very expensive

  • @EpiphanyOne2
    @EpiphanyOne2 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    That pilot was extremely LUCKY and his "Guardian Angel" took a beating that day! ...Excuse me God,....I'd like to trade in my current person/assignment for a different & very mellow Human Being to watch over! This one is trying to Kill me!..... Sorry, what did you say? "When Hell Freezes Over" You'll give me a different assignment to Protect! Gee whiz, thanks a lot :-(

    • @maxmann__9011
      @maxmann__9011 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not luck just flying skills..

  • @fr3ds4t
    @fr3ds4t 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn't call this a LANDING...I'd rather call it a GROUNDING...

  • @TheSoarer151
    @TheSoarer151 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    well, it is not a great landing, but true, at least he is alive

  • @MrZeddy100
    @MrZeddy100 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shit your pants? So did I !!!

  • @manzar589
    @manzar589 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    that was some brave landing... i wonder y the weather forecast was not confirmed?
    do anybody have experience of flying wwith eagles??? or just chasing the eagle.. or took same thermal?? i had that beautiful experience.. twice

  • @davidswelt
    @davidswelt 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LAK Genesis 2

  • @coolplaces123
    @coolplaces123 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    10 years ago...

  • @Senegal01
    @Senegal01 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    SOB, I can understand his speed to get the hell down, lucky. So who cleaned the seat? LOL

  • @fr3ds4t
    @fr3ds4t 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should read TAFs SHORT-TAFs SIGMETs and so on...

  • @IrishRail123
    @IrishRail123 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow
    very impressive

  • @netzer7739
    @netzer7739 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's lucky landing.....but check meteo before the take off ???

  • @jonasRichardt
    @jonasRichardt 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @vtk137 : the airplane is a genesis.

  • @MrTiti
    @MrTiti 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont know what i shall say to taht, but i am stunned. the people on ground, the pilot .. all make SO MANY mistakes at once. when i was 16 years old and started, i used my brain, flying is not driving a rollercoaster careless. must be that this country is not the motherland of soaring, but very amateurlike. yet you should get far farther with just using your brain. mistakes started 20 minutes earlier. our flight instructor would bash us to hell when we were 16 yr old. these are adults ...

  • @JaleelJohanson62
    @JaleelJohanson62 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @rugbynimbus A shocking epitaph to a thunderous landing! LOL

  • @cbfsoar15
    @cbfsoar15 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    looked like it was flying to fast did he land downwind?

    • @Mike-01234
      @Mike-01234 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I took a few glider lessons they said landing approach is different they go in steeper using speed brakes keep speed under control. Looked normal to me until the end there I think he hit a downdraft I don't think it was damaged.

    • @iansimmonds9076
      @iansimmonds9076 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mike-01234 He would be flying a faster approach than normal, because of wind gradients. You add extra speed to your approach depending on the wind strength, wind strength up higher could be completely different to whats on the ground.
      One minute you're at 50kts, you pass through a wind gradient and boom you're suddenly at 40kts low and slow over the airfield. Thats when it can all go pear shaped...

  • @dieselstruck
    @dieselstruck 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not a pilot. But I know enough to think this looks like he hit a high sink area. Very possible since weather cooled the area rapidly. Although the approach seems steep it can still be caused by high sink.

  • @cmtecarvalho
    @cmtecarvalho 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a close call!

  • @LotsOfGreatStuff
    @LotsOfGreatStuff 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    He was alive, all that coutns

  • @jmbrunson34
    @jmbrunson34 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    awesome.... excellent job

  • @gtafan2006
    @gtafan2006 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    you know now that i watched the video again it probably wasnt the best idea to jsut run out in the open somebody coulda got hit by lightning a truck woulda been a better option cause then the pilot coulda stayed inside where it was safe.

  • @danielcarlson7931
    @danielcarlson7931 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No flaps?

  • @jangrebe3148
    @jangrebe3148 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is Pink guy doing there?

  • @gtafan2006
    @gtafan2006 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    i saw something kinda like that happen to a powerd parachute pilot once i was out at a lake and theres a small ultralight strip nearby and i sawa guy out in the thing with a thunderstorm headed our way he was flying into the wind and not going forwards very fast . then he turned around and the wind pushed him and i think he might have had to make an emergency landing in a field or something cause all i saw was the chute starting to collapes becuase it wasnt getting lift.

    • @davidwhite8633
      @davidwhite8633 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joshua Crowell Could have been wind shear , but more likely the age-old ‘downwind turn’ fallacy. Trying to make a coordinated turn with reference to the ground, instead of with reference to the air-mass he was flying in.

  • @ryanm406638
    @ryanm406638 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay, I see. Thanks for explaining that. The wind gust(that's what you mean by flurries right?) factor would make a difference. It is hard to tell in the video which direction the wind is coming from. How much of an effect does water have on a wing's lift? I never though it would have made much of a difference.

  • @GeneralTerrorise
    @GeneralTerrorise 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you cant say this WX caught you by surprise? surely this weather didnt just appear, and unless it did that was very poor judgement by the club/pilots.... count yourselves lucky...

  • @saildapper2001
    @saildapper2001 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was he coming in so fast and with wings on level on purpose, or couldn't see, or something else? As a fellow glider pilot, I want to learn from this (before it's me).

    • @johngallagher912
      @johngallagher912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In that weather the pilot knew that there would be extreme wind gusts and possible wind reversals. The pilot came in with a great deal of speed to prevent any stalls due to the wind gusts/reversals. Considering that the pilot was probably near blind in that pouring rain, he did a great job.

  • @levelat350
    @levelat350 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That looked like it hurt.

  • @ramspace
    @ramspace 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tail wind?

  • @andrewnorgrove6487
    @andrewnorgrove6487 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    keen to get out of the air )

  • @MrZeddy100
    @MrZeddy100 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    That looked like a rather short fuselage for a glider. Haven't seen one that short before. Anyone know what make?

  • @asifmahmood4359
    @asifmahmood4359 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Respect and check weather. Being totally VFR dependent even avoid when temperature spread is narrow.

  • @martinussen34
    @martinussen34 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was it downwind ?

  • @ComandanteJ
    @ComandanteJ 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    GOD DAMMIT! reminds me of Five Miles Out from Mike Oldfield xDD RESPECT

  • @tomprid3
    @tomprid3 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    also shows when not to fly

  • @lourensgeldenhuys9377
    @lourensgeldenhuys9377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW! Landing at Vne! Not good...

  • @-Galavanta-
    @-Galavanta- 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like he just wanted to get it down at any cost... and I dont blame him, I would have done the same.

    • @Smiles_McGeee
      @Smiles_McGeee 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      well, its not like he could go-around

  • @ZrednaZ
    @ZrednaZ 17 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did the pilot justify that landing? Was he just too blinded by the rain to keep the wings level or is there some other explanation?

  • @elofos0815
    @elofos0815 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    was he blind? what are a glider doing in some thunderstorm? you shoud go down when some rain nearly can be fall, not when it do!