A Cheap But Impressive Hobby CNC Router Machine: Two Trees TTC450 Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- Hello folks. In this video I'm going to review the TTC450 cnc router machine from Two Trees. If you're interested in getting this machine then check out the link below.
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Chapters
0:00 Unbox & assembly
6:00 Using the Z probe
6:30 Set origin & carve test files
8:50 Create g-code w/ Easel Pro
10:05 Cutting Logo Sign
12:20 3D carving
14:45 Metal engraving
16:50 Final thoughts - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Get the TTC450 with 500W motor here: shrsl.com/4f9zp
Use discount code: NBTTC
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I just put mine together, turn it on and attempt to home it and it goes into negative numbers. Two Trees is unavailable for support, have you heard of this issue before?
Cool little machine. just some info, when cutting (from my machine shop experience) I was always taught snub up the bit short as possible to reduce chatter and flexing. from this video it looks like its out a lot. We also used used endmills where the shank and cutting section are different diameters to help as well
Love seeing the versatility of this CNC router machine! Can't wait to see what creative projects you come up with next 🛠️
Great to see you getting into one of these machines James! Now you're just limited to your creativity which all of us that watch you know is limitless ;). I can hardly wait. I have and use a wood router (Onefinity) as well for signs and other small things ... but its the out of the box projects that you will shine like welding/bolt hole pattern jigs, electrical enclosures and beyond. I'll eat my shirt if you don't upgrade to a larger machine in lets say 4 years (being conservative here). Lots of fun watching you go and congrats! Daryl
I've had a kit with Nema 23's for a larger custom machine sitting in a box on a shelf for years. Too intimidated to put it together. But that'll change soon. Thanks Daryl, great to hear from you again!
Enjoyed the presentation of your video. It was presented quickly but gave all of the details. So many vloggers make their videos too long.
Thanks!
We’ve had luck with an 1/8” one flute and blowing air on 3/8” thick aluminum. M
Cut out some pretty slick spur gears this week with our Shapeoko Pro.
the most interesting aspect for me here is the cut time... 15 hours for the 2 pass fish carving... that kind of info is really valuable to know when looking at these. cheers
Could be faster even with the stock spindle, I just used the presets in Easel which are conservative benchmarks for safely starting out with (according to Easel - see exclamation in cut settings tab). Processing time would be reduced a lot more with the 1.5 kW spindle or a Makita trim router (+$150 in cost). How fast it removes material will depend mostly on how much hp the spindle has and the bit being used. If the spindle can't remove material faster than the x and y axis motors can move then it'll just chatter and jam. Optimal feed rates and doc will always take some experimenting with a new machine, especially for a newb. At least, that's been my experience with printers and lasers.
@@JamesBiggar ah, thanks again. Ive really only used manual plunge routers and 3d printers.
that also makes a threaded drive and the small nema's make more sense now.,,,
You might try using masking film on the surface to reduce tear out.
I bought one because of this video waiting for it to get here next week. Can't wait to put it together
Hope you enjoy it! If you're a noob like me then be sure to read through the comments from other viewers for some tips on how to use it more efficiently 👍
I got the 500 watt upgrade but I'm still waiting for the CNC. It seems to upgrade part came first but I can't track where the CNC is @@JamesBiggar
Did you receive the machine yet? How's it going?
@@ALCRAN2010 (the silence of the learning curve)
Hows the machine working?
This seems great for entry level/learning, but no more than that. As it is now I've been laser engraving/cutting for about a Year and I am going to focus on it for another Year or so before adding to my work area with a proper CNC machine. I might just get one of these to learn the basics before I invest in a proper setup. Nice video, I didn't know this existed until I saw this- I'm going to look into this a bit more!
Wow. Thirty seconds into this video and I'm already super jealous of that machine and I'm not even sure everything is been taken out of the box yet. Grrr. Lol.
Metal dowels for locating on 2 sides then new clamps Pro tip : Watch Feed and speeds (tools have specific feeds speeds/ chip load could go faster or run carbine/cobalt) if metal vibrates you can use modeling clay to keep vibration down
Great job on the video. Check out what kind of DIY dust collection shoe options are available.
Worm gears are definitely better than belts, the cable management looks excellent, and I like how they hide the moving parts away from the sawdust.
small belt NOT used any cnc machine, only ballscrew or pinion rails.
Good video, I would have used a 1/16 ballnose with 5 to 10% stepover though on the fish on the finish pass as you can set an almost invisible stepover marks, a v bit by its nature can't really have a stepover as it terminates at a point, another option would be a flat ended v bit which you could set a 4 or 5% stepover
I just bought one. Thank you for the information. I know 3d printing and laser cutting. I need this to cut acrylic plastic. I think I'll be ok.
Good evening. How was your experience with it so far? I've been thinking about buying it to cut plastic boards as well.
Wow, impressive
now you need to add a vacuum and hose to suck up all the dust and millings. After that last cool Carving this would be cool for cabinet stuff.
Hey Charles!
Hey Charles!
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using a shop vac will help cut down on brushing when cutting wood or acrylic trust me it makes a difference
amazing! What type of bits do you use to cut metal?
Amazing for the price.
Just want an entry level hobby machine for acrylic signs, would you recommend?
Very nice review! ;)
Does it come with the files to cut new spoil boards (My very first thought) as anyone will need new ones at some point...
Some of us sooner than others!
Or maybe someone has done that already? Good job and comments by other views. See you again soon.
I have found paraffin to be a very effective cutting/cooling agent for aluminium.
beeswax works even better.
@@RudyVandenbelt worked as a toolmaker for many years and always used paraffin for machining aluminium - never heard of beeswax being used - interesting thanks.
It's great job
Hello, I have a question, with this machine can I engrave 1" wood letters?And if it is possible, which one do you recommend?
Tool geometry will make all the difference in cutting results. Always keep your tool as close to the spindle as possible. If you’re going to do aluminum I’d suggest a cutting fluid call Alumi Tap. Made specifically for aluminum, works great! Speeds and feed rates will also produce better results.
WIth all these lightweight machines, using trochoidal or vortex milling for aluminum or brass can't be recommended enough. Estlcam offers this option. Will save you $$$ in milling tip currency.
Cool video, affordable and looks like the working area is pretty nice. Im going to look into this more and see if someoen has a dust collection/vaccum set up.
I am in an apartment garage with my laser. adding a CNC may be pretty cool for my services.
@jamesbiggar Curious, would this maybe work to route acrylic well?
Could this route below the base? I need to route small areas on bigger panels and begrudge paying thousands more for a wider work area I won’t use. If this could be placed on top the workpiece, it may be the solution I need…
Muito bom! Tem muitas aplicações! Mas a única coisa que não substitui aí é o homem que desenha que projeta que crie o desenho da peça. Rapaz se eu tivesse uma CNC dessa daí eu fazia um avião em apenas um 1 semana.
How computer savvy does one need to be to operate this machine? Is operating offline sufficient for carving words and phrases? Can you do your own images while operating offline?
Can you setup and use vectric vcarve pro with this machine?
Nice. One thing I'd like to know though, is whether the claims for 0.1mm accuracy are anywhere close to being valid. Thanks!
🤷♂️ All I know is that it does what I need it to do. Normally, my tolerances as a carpenter/woodworker are a bit higher given the limits of conventional measuring and cutting tools lol. If I needed to cnc a part for an engine or something, that would be a different story. But as happy as I am with it (as a newb), it's still just a hobby machine at the end of the day. A good starting point to learn and get some experience, but I don't expect perfection from it.
You need blow out the aluminum chips, it could break the end mill. I use flood coolant, which is messy, but at least it keeps the end mill cool.
wow. what a great machine. love it. You mentioned that it can run G-code. I'm very new to this, but how can you load the G-code on the device and is it possible to use FluidNC?
I assume it could be compatible with FluidNC given that it uses an ESP32 grbl controller, but there's no mention of it in the specs. I would just stick with the firmware that's installed. As mentioned in the video, you need a g-code sender to send a g-code to the machine if you don't work exclusively offline through the terminal and sd card. A g-code sender is software designed to control a cnc machine. There's loads of free software to do this, like Candle and UGS (both provided with the machine - I demonstrated Candle in the video). But before you can import a g-code to the machine, you need to create it first. That's why I like Easel. It's an all in one software that allows you to design/draw your project in 2D and from that it creates a 3D model for reference as well as a g-code that you can either use through Easel to control the machine as shown in the video, or export it via sd card to use through the offline terminal, or export it to a g-code sender like Candle instead.
But this machine has become a little sloppy since this upload due to the v-wheels and their placement. Twin v-wheels with a wide span or linear rails are better. Check out my channel for other options.
Wow thanks so much for your comprehensive reply! I plan to make my g-code manually using a python script (long story). Would a g-code sender still be able to send the .NC file across? Do you know how that would work? Or would I be forced to just load it manually offline using the SD card?
Good video, do you think it could cut through 2mm cast acrylic, I need to cut some shapes out?
If it can cut 3/4 ply, it can easily cut 2mm acrylic. You may need to use a double stick adhesive and a backer to keep small pieces from flying out when the cut is complete.
Can you use solid wood?
I'm looking to get a machine of similar size but haven't decided on one yet. I don't have extensive CNC experience besides what I learned at high school many years ago, but come from a 3D printing background which is similar in some ways.
I am planning to use it for plastics and light aluminum mostly for electronics enclosures and control panels and such. Do you think this model would be suitable for engraving finer/smaller text, such as switch labels onto aluminium panels?
The ttc450 can engrave aluminum, but I'm not sure how long the v wheels will hold up and maintain accuracy. I think it's better for just wood and plastics for long term use. Check this one out: th-cam.com/video/l5CVuSz4Ifk/w-d-xo.html
Theres a 3d printable CNC made by Ivan Miranda. He has files for the device.
That’s an amazing machine! Would it be enough to engrave a few letters on marble?
You would need a few more things. Marble would need cooling for the tool. So you would also need to replace the spoil board with something plastic. As the mdf would get ruined. Would also have to make sure all the connections get some splash protection. Would also need diamond tip tools.
you would probably want a faster spinning spindle with a diamond bit
Aluminum is like butter, you need to take deep cuts, never less than .030 and you paint solvant to prevent chip the adhere
Paraffin is the preferred cutting lubricant for aluminium, wd 40 or any release oil is similar.
Like the cutting oil that I used...
It's exactly like a 3d printer, but with a router instead of a hot nozzle. That would be a bodacious 3d printer setup as well. In fact they ought to combine the two and have either a double head (with the associated weight penalty) or swappable head, so you can use the same framework and control software as either a router or printer.
They actually sell a 10W diode laser module to swap with the spindle for laser engraving. I should've mentioned that in the video.
@@JamesBiggar "They actually sell a 10W diode laser module to swap with the spindle for laser engraving."
Thanks for the info, that is interesting.
Can it be extended?
Wondering if it would be possible to cut a logo into a cutting board that measures 12”x17” inches. The logo size I want to cut would be 9”inches wide by 6” high cut depth about 1/8 thanks
Work area is 18"x18"x3.15"
Can anyone explain .. how software decide drill bit selection ???😢😢😢
I've been trying to buy one but two trees won't respond to me. Any ideas?
how did you ensure both Y axis motors were exactly aligned, and moving as a single unit?
Followed the instructions to align them. Back the supports up until one hits the back of the frame, disconnect that support and motor, use the controls to move the other motor until the other support hits the frame, reconnect. Or use a measuring tape. No need to split hairs here. The motors move in sync whether the gantry supports are aligned or not - they're wired together.
How much the machine is?
For finishing the fish, a 1mm round nosed bit would have provided better results.
Cool video, but why is your ttc450 much faster than mine ?
Thanks. It's not :)
price?
I didn't believe the 500w spindle can run up to 15hrs.
How you managed to run the spindle for long time. When is they get so hot just run 30min.....?
I just pressed start. If I can run my router into overtime, then I should be able to run a cnc spindle into overtime or it gets replaced with a router.
...bear in mind that 15 hours involved two separate processes done on two separate days. Watch the video carefully. Easel generates separate g-codes for roughing and finishing a 3d engraving. Regardless, cooling fans are always designed to suit the motor they're supposed to cool in normal operating conditions. The motor temp isn't going to change much (if at all) from 30 minutes into a job vs 10 hrs into a job. The cooling fan should be managing it fine as long as the spindle isn't being overloaded. If it is, then internal temperature increases accordingly. If it exceeds the coil insulation rating (at least 150C), then it will melt and short the windings. If your spindle temp increases uncontrollably without any change to its environment, then replace it or reevaluate how you're using it. That shouldn't be happening regardless what motor you're using in any type of machine.
maybe a carbide endmill be better for metal
I'd like to engrave stones, particularly refractory bricks. Is it possible with this maschine ?
Sorry, I've never tried any sort of stone before, but I think a couple of people were talking about it in the comments. They might be able to answer your question.
I will say that having v-wheels does mean it's not as sturdy as other designs. It can machine aluminum but I wouldn't expect the wheels to last for long under a lot of load like that. For hard materials like stone, you might be better off checking out some of the other machines that I've reviewed.
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How does this compare to the genmitsu 4040?
Haven't used the 4040 to say. I'll be reviewing the 4030 V2 very soon though.
These machines are a lot of fun but be prepared for large electric bills for running 500 watts for so many hours. Thats what happened to me with my home made CNC router.
500 watts * 15 hrs = 7500 watthours. Local utility rate is ~13¢/kWh, avg in US/Canada is 16¢/kWh. 7.5 kWh * 0.16 = $1.20. ~$55/m to run 24/7, 7 days a week. That's assuming that a person doesn't have an off grid system like mine (I design/build wind and solar energy equipment). I sold that fish for $40. Speaking as a 25 year journeyman, if a person can't recoup the cost to buy and operate tools of any kind in either personal benefit or commercial value, then they're doing something wrong.
Try some WD-40 when you engrave on aluminum.
Interesting vid, horrible cuts on those zip ties! flush cut god dam it! haha
So what's a TF card? You mean SD?
Technically no. SD cards are twice the size. TF = MicroSD. TF was the term used before SanDisk Association standardized the micro format and rebranded it as MicroSD. Some (generic) manufacturers still brand them as TF cards, others call them by the newer term. Ultimately there's no difference. Tomato, tomato.
Its kinda strange the X and Y axis use nema 17 and the Z axis is a nema 23, I'm assuming they use the same Z axis setup on other machines to save money. My custom cnc machine only uses nema 17s and I have a Makita router on it and it handles the weight fine. Also if you want to cut aluminum linear rails are far superior to the v-slot wheels from my experience with these cheap machines the more ridged the frame and tighter the tolerances you can get on each axis the better your chances with aluminum. If I could redo my machine I would remove all the v-slot wheels with linear rails and upgrade to nema 23s.
Do you post anything else about your setup? Very interested in CNC hosting of famous Makita router.
@@SergeyShepelev Unfortunately haven't posted anything yet but if your curious about the router its a 1-1/4 HP compact router and handles everything I've thrown at it. Many people on TH-cam upgrade to the Makita to cut aluminum, one video I recommend is by Eric th-cam.com/video/w26DHMccicE/w-d-xo.html
Do they offer one with all nema 23s?
Well it seems to do stuff.
This would be cool if it could double as a Plasma cutter.
@@darkwinter7395 what exactly makes a plasma cutter "cnc compatible"? is it just the straight torch or the duty cycle or something else?
Yes, it could with some mods. I'm currently building a table for my plasma. I'll be making a bigger one afterward & the small one will become a router for small signs
I'm building a plasma table now. It uses all of the same components as this. (it's a small one) as long as the electronics are shielded, bonded & the workpiece is separately grounded it's not a problem.@@darkwinter7395
Pls buy this machin for me
15 hours to finish one project? I wonder what the electrical bill looks like.
Simple math if you have basic knowledge in electronics and how your utility co. charges you. Assuming the machine (120W) and spindle (500w) are running at full power, that's a total 620 watts/h. 620 W/h * 15 hours = 9300 Wh, or 9.3 kWh. Our Crown corp in NB charges 12.7¢/kWh (avg cost in US is ~16¢, in Canada it's ~19¢). 0.127 * 9.3 = $1.18. I don't think it would be too difficult to make a return on that lol.
How much and were
Check the description
The screws on the clamps are to tall for this machine and you will have problems with those.
Nope.
manufecturer contact number
Please please take pictures and make a video the first time crash the machine!
can you put a single flute bit to cut 0.045mm aluminum sheet?