I’ve watched so many videos on dog training and have learnt so much by following so many different trainers, yet here i go again but this time it’s so refreshing and clear. Straight to the point is what you want and this delivers, without losing my attention.
Just had my mixed breed, rocket of a dog, off leash, walking a golf course in the mountains. I knew there were many deer around and he saw a few and gave chase. In seconds he was across three fairways, running like the wind. I gave him a few more seconds to enjoy himself and then gave a tap on his ecollar. He quickly turned around, flew back to me with an ear-to-ear smile, jogged past me and we kept on going. The ecollar let him be a complete dog, hit maximum speed in an all-out sprint through a beautiful area. It was kind of magical, only possible due to his ecollar and the proper, conditioned use of it. He did NOT come back shut down, suppressed or cowering. He came back full of joy... period! Its always the user, never the tool...
My latest trainee is a female black Lab pup from British working lines. She'll be a SD like my last 3 Labs, so I don't want her chasing ANYTHING I don't tell her to. In fact, I want her to respect anything with a heartbeat. My yard is a safe zone for wildlife in my neighborhood and I want her to be comfortable around it, not chase it into the street or thru other peoples yards. At 8 months a squirrel can run right past her or safely sit a few feet away eating a nut. She knows it's there, but doesn't react to it. She'll run right past a deer to fetch her ball out of the woods and neither her or the deer react because they're used to each other. We can walk right thru a flock of geese and as much noise as they make over it, she won't react. We did all that without an e-collar. Wildlife poop however, was a different matter. Nothing I tried worked to enforce "leave it" because she knew I couldn't catch her and she would just parade around mocking me. That all ended in a single day when I broke out the e-collar and she found out why I'm the boss and she's not. The most beautiful part was, the lesson wasn't "don't eat goose poo" but learning that I ALWAYS have an answer for deliberate disobedience. She won a couple battles, but I won the war. Now it doesn't matter what it is, if I say "leave it" she listens right away and ignores most things before I even have to. The lesson was gold when we got to public access training in grocery stores. There's no people food as tempting as fresh goose or deer poo. I don't use an e-collar to train skills, but for enforcing commands they already know from a distance under high distraction there's nothing better. In fact, under those conditions there's no other tool than even works when you can't reach them and they decide to blow you off. Every dog owner I see at the park who frowns on e-collars also has a dog that doesn't listen to them for sh*t. They can't go off leash, and even on leash their dogs are reactive and out of control. Not because they won't use e-collars, but because they're afraid to discipline their dog in any way for bad behavior. They're always the ones making excuses instead of training their dogs :)
@@ShamanicSavant Agree 100% with all you stated. My dog will also ignore a squirrel, other dogs, cats etc when we're out walking and he knows he's either supposed to heel or simply stay in his 10' "bubble" around me when off leash, ecollared or not. These deer were 100+ yards away and I knew he'd never get close to them. Wanted him to have a good run and bit of excitement and he did just that and came back with an ear to ear grin. As a trainer, I have the same issue with owners that don't enforce the obedience we've instilled in their dogs, at their expense. Always a good cop/bad cop in the house it seems.
I agree that e-collars are a great tool. My dog (14 now) was absolutely erratic. I was told she was 12 wks old but the vet said she was more like 6 weeks so I believe she never had enough time with the mother, so affecting her behaviour. She had puppy training classes, older dog classes, private trainers - none helped and it was recommended to keep her on a halti. I tried long leash training and she was fab at recall BUT as soon as that lead was off it was a trigger switch in her brain! My dog would spot someone or a dog way across a field and run full pelt towards them. She would chase squirrels. She has bolted out in roads as soon as the lead was off. She would jump in peoples faces and it worried me that she would end up being pts. I purchased a collar. I hated the thought but it was a last ditch desperate attempt. I tried it on myself and it was like vibrations rather than the shock collars I read about. The first time she pelted I gave a low warning buzz and command - she chose to ignore it so upped the anti and she turned 360 and has never done it since. It was the best thing I could have tried and never had to use it after. It’s like it turned that switch off in her head for good but I also believe that her reaction, gave me a different attitude if she just wore the collar - it stopped my fear of her bolting and I think owners attitudes make a lot of difference as they sense it. It also made her much easier to train afterwards and she is now an amazing well behaved calm dog. But lately I’ve been poorly and if I walk her feeling unwell she has started to get up front instead of at my side which is not like her at all - it’s my mindset.
I’ve recently rehomed a x breed we think staffy and GS, the first few weeks she was subdued, then she find herself and turned into a nightmare not listening chasing etc she becomes obsessed with what ever so I went for the e collar after some research, and actually I use the vibration to break her obsessed focus and makes walking so much more enjoyable. I was dead against them before hand but honestly if you’ve got a hyper focused dog it works well
But there are people who will use collars, chains, sitcks, their boots etc for the wrong reasons too. So why pick on e-collars? Some people simply should never own a dog because they are either clueless about training them at all, or cruel people in general. Those people will be cruel with or without e-collar technology.
The e-collar we use, a fairly low-end Amazon model, has been a godsend for our 7-month Belgian Malinois girl. Just that she knows it's there, enables her to come out of "doggie brain" and obey recall even when 100 yards away. It allows us to give her much more freedom, knowing she will come when called. It's also been helpful for jumping behaviors, jumping on others. She knows NOT to jump up on Dad, but other people were fair game. The e-collar changed that, Santa knows if you're being naughty or nice, and she mostly stopped jumping on others. Now she sometimes jumps on Dad, to show her love or excitement, like when going for a walk or to play fetch, but stops when told to.
I got one for my large dog. Told the kids that we can’t put something on the dog if we aren’t prepared to try it first on us. So we took turns putting the collar on and barking. Was really funny watching my 9 and 11 year olds test the collar. Then I tried it. Wasnt that bad. Put it on full power for me. Felt like someone had pinched my neck.
I hike off-leash with my gsd. I use the e-collar vibrator for the leave it command often and it works terrific. I conditioned her to it before going out hiking and trying it. She wants to eat dead mice and live mice out there. The vibrate stops her most of the time if I am paying attention-it turns her attention back onto me. Today she smelled something about 75 feet away. It was a coyote laying in the grass. It got up and ran away as she chased it out of sight. I pushed the stim button and she came running back. At this point, she probably would have run back to me anyway (I'm 98% sure of it).
Only stumbled on your channel a few days ago and so glad I did. You speak a lot of common sense. I've been training my 2 and half yr old cocker spaniel pretty much daily since she came into my life at 1 year old after a difficult start. She's come a long way, and I've taken her to gundog training classes to gain knowledge on her breed traits and needs, and learn how to harness her prey drive. She's a fabulous and very smart dog in many ways, but she does have a huge prey drive. She wants to approach any dog she sees and run after squirrels, rabbits, pheasants you name it. I live in the countryside and spoilt for woodland and open countryside walks, but I'm still not at a point where I feel comfortable letting her off lead and feel so guilty. I'm running with her on a long line to give her some freedom, and on walks I'm always trying to interact with her with dummy retrieves, and have fun with her, but it can be exhausting at times when she needs to run to let off steam, so she pulls like a train. I've tried so hard to train a good recall, but as soon as I've tested having her off lead, she's off after a scent. She recalls, turns and stops to a whistle brilliantly on a longline, UNLESS there's a distraction. I literally walk out of my garden and there are rabbits, so not easy to avoid! After watching this, I'm going to look at ecollars as an option to give her her much needed freedom on walks, and me peace of mind. I'll continue with training of course, but as you say, maybe it's an extra piece of security. Are there any brands you would recommend?
Really do appreciate your thoughts on ecollars. Thinking of starting using one for my 9 month old Husky as she'd love to be off lead but hasnt got the recall needed
The " all the way up to a stock fence " couldnt of been more accurate 😂 got an e collar and wanted to see where we were at in terms of the level so chucked in on myself . 1 through to 5 good 5 to 8 gets you lively Max - stock fence
My perspective on this, and balanced training in general is this. The idea is to develop a positive relationship with the dog and the world around them. Mainly focusing on positive reinforcement is a really good basis for training. However, life, for any living organism is not automatically easy. There are natural consequences in the world, that can be temporarily harmful. If said living organism survives, they have learned some caution and possibly have developed some alarm bells in their system to slow down and prevent bad thing from happening. So how does it relate to adverse training techniques? There are a few ways. 1) often adverse training is for the dogs safety. 2) a complete lack of adversity can actually create some weird behaviors - this has actually been shown in child development studies (yes actual psychological research) and has been shown in nature. For example if you plant a sappling and steak the tree so it grows straight, it will actually have long term negative effects on the integrity of the tree. Once the support is gone and a strong gust of wind comes through, it is more likely to topple over. The adversity being the elements, the resulting defense mechanism is deeper stronger roots. 3) you CANNOT train a dogs nature and instincts out of them. It isn't even about rewards, it is instinctual for high prey drive dogs to chase. No amount of motivation will stop it from happening. What you can do is work with it. alternative instinct is to avoid something uncomfortable. Something like an e collar might not prevent a dog from chasing, but it is more likely to bring that dog back once they regain themselves a little bit. 4) as an owner of a sight hound, the safty of my dog is always an issue. No. Matter. What. No matter how many precautions i take or how secure i think the area is. He has gotten out of places i thought were completely secure. Its better to have an emergency safty plan than to lose the dog all together. I personally think its silly that anyone thinks adversity training is all abuse. Yes, a lot of trainers out there have been/are abusive. But its like comparing a person who spanks their child and doesn't tell them what they did wrong or why it was bad (abuse), to a parent who says no to their kid, takes away privileges temporarily and has a uses the mess up as a teaching opportunity to develop and experience self growth. Positive only techniques are in many ways like raising a nepo baby, walking on eggshells its whole life trying to make sure nothing ever goes wrong so as not to "ruin" their dog.
About twenty years ago an e-collar saved my dog's life. I had a JRT/border collie cross. All the prey drive plus the herding instinct, and by the time she was nine months old, although she had a great recall normally, she started chasing sheep and there seemed to be nothing I could do to stop her. A family friend had bought an e-collar for a neighbouring farmer who retrained sheep dogs who had started attacking sheep (his methods were somewhat barbaric, and she thought it would be kinder to the dogs) it was apparently very successful so I thought I'd try it. The instructions recommended the maximum setting for stock worrying, and although she hadn't yet bitten, she would run sheep until they lay down from exhaustion so I went with that. I used it twice. She never chased a sheep again, and could be walked off lead through sheep fields without paying them any attention at all, especially if I had a tennis ball to throw. She lived till 17, and was the best and loveliest family dog I could have asked for. Without the e-collar she would have been put to sleep or shot by a farmer. Unfortunately I live in Wales so can't use them anymore, and this has probably influenced me to choose dogs with low prey drives. I have found a remote training collar which has both a spray and a vibration setting and this has been useful to reinforce commands with my young dog when she gets hyped up and temporarily deaf at the beginning of walks. What's your opinion on those?
I had a vibration collar for my dog and it worked instantly. I tried it on myself and it really was harmless, even at the highest buzz. It seemed to snap her brain instantly and just wearing it after the first use had the same affect. I only used the high buzz once.
Great explanation, I feel its only scratching the surface of what can be achieved with Ecollar. Well done for not falling i to the trap of trying to justify the Ecollar as ‘can be taught to be positive to the dog’, bit still acknowledging it can be paired with reward after.
I would very much appreciate an in-depth video on the proper use of e-collars. I want my dogs to be able to enjoy being free to run but we have just had too many scary close calls (one of my dogs wants to chase cars) so they spend a lot of time on the leash. I hate it and if an e-collar could change it I would use one in a heartbeat.
This reasoned and logical explanation has changed my outlook about e-collars. I have no reason to use them currently (due to my health I can't have a dog) but if in the future I have a dog with a high prey drive (or know someone else with one) I can suggest this video.
Excellent , I use the ecollar and my young 9 month old Gsd actually grabs the ecollar when he knows were going out, he relates it to positive experiences. And it's good to be able to have a dog off leash and ve able to enforce a recall if needed. It's like your analogy of the the seat belt.
You appear to be one of the few dog training content providers who are honest with the limitations of any particular training method. I've two rescue dogs both with a very high prey drive and both who had little training in their early years. It's taken me two years to get my now 13yo up to a good level but even now she can rarely be off her lead and never around livestock: I've had equipment failure leading to a few minor sheep incidents. An E-collar sounds like it's worth a try as she is lucky not to have been shot by a farmer so it may save her life if the equipment fails another time. Keep up the good work.
The E collar as not only enriched my 3 shepherds lives but mine too ... I can take all three out together let. Them off lead and we all thoroughly enjoy our walks. Before e collar training I walked one dog at a time and. Was constantly on edge scanning the horizon. Then if a deer was spotted I just had to wait and hope my dog would return safe. And not have caused any accidents . I tell everyone I know they should invest and let their dogs live a full and happy dog life
This is a fantastic educational video. However can I say that there is a huge difference between the $40 shock collar on Amazon, and a quality ecollar made by the top of the line companies. I have both, and the difference is shocking lol. The stim on the cheap ones travels through their body (and up my arm and out my funny bone), but the stim on my mini educator stays in my hand. There is concern that cheap shock collars on dog necks can travel to their hearts and do damage. Choose wisely.
Depends on how cheap you go. I have both a $300 Dogtra 1900s, and an Invirox Ultra K9 that was a hundred bucks. I'm using the Invirox because it has more options, a night light, a better display, more compact remote collar, and better ergonomics. It's only got 99 stim levels vs 127 and the tuning between them isn't quite as fine, but it's more than adequate. The range and stim is the same, they're both like a TENS unit. Battery Life is about the same on both, lasting 2-3 weeks of everyday use on a single charge. I bought the Invirox as a backup when my Dogtra needed repair, but we just kept using it. I just like the ergonomics and additional features, and my dog likes the smaller lighter remote on the collar. I love Dogtra and they've been my go to for years, but they could stand a technology/feature update or two :)
They are the best thing since sliced bread when you have a German Shepherd with huge prey drive and lots of kangaroos! Unfortunately they are illegal in our state (New South Wales)
Fantastic video 👏👏👏👏 I'm so glad I took the chance on an e-collar. My sensitive boy responds amazingly to the lowest stims, a level I myself don't even feel unless I put the contactpoints on my upperlip. He's been allowed to be off lead for our long 5AM walk and I haven't used the e-collar in weeks, but it's still on him just in case.
Thank you for your video. As with all of your videos (which I just discovered), it is well thought out and based on common sense. However, I am of the opinion, based on a both scientific material (studies plus an understanding of learning principles) and training experience (including the majority of the trainers on the internet), that most trainers who incorporate the use of the e-collars misuse them; the majority of these trainers believe they are e-collar experts.
As an aside, there are no perfect studies. Each has value as long as you understand the inherent weakness of the study (which a good researcher will illustrate as part of their discussion). Unfortunately, if you want to disagree with a study, these factors are used to discount the study all together.
Also, ecollar makers use a different electrical frequency than a shock collar. Ecollars have the same frequency as a TENS unit used in physical therapy.
I’ve got an unboxed e collar i’ve had for a few years. Link for how to use please. Have watched the how to with other trainers eg No Bad Dogs ( Tom Davies) but as i’m here now would be useful.
Thank you.. people don’t believe my shepherd can have this prey lock.. it’s my last obstacle. I’m just afraid to train with an e collar because I heard about the dogs gotten mentally scarred for life by misuse due bad training
After owning boxers for twenty years I have ended up with one that is a bit of a twat. Actually very intelligent, but no desire to please. She spent two years mainly on lead until I trained her on an ecollar. Both of our lives have improved immensely. She has freedom, and we both have trust.
What I like to say is, there will always be people who use angle grinders incorrectly and hurt themselves. There will always be people who use angle grinders for less than favourable uses. But do we ban angle grinders? No. We just advocate correctly using them and require a firm understanding of their safety before using them at a site.
I use one with my Malinois...and she actually comes running when I hold it to put it on. REASON, because when I use it regularly...and she comes...there is a MaroSnack. She always comes, just in case!!! But anytime I beep on the collar...it is to call her to come to me. And she is three years old and if she is anywhere on my two acres without hollering...she hears the little been and hightails it back to me. Sometimes there is a treat...and sometimes NOT. But she always comes. I almost never use the shock...but just enough so she actually KNOWS the BAD SIDE...but the good side is almost always...the occasional use of the SHOCK is really effective. She almost never does anything wrong...so when I get the collar and test it to see that it is one both control and collar...she comes and sits and holds her head up so I can put it on. She loves the E-collar. It is simply a good thing with treats (mostly)
I've had EVERY dog off lead from their first walk. Including my newest who I only had for a few days beforehand. And has 100% recall. NEVER used a shock collar on any of them. Also NEVER taken their food. I actually made my own method years ago where I go to my dog. NOT the other way around and it works everytime.
What DO you use to train your dogs though? How do you ensure that the training is effective? You seem confident enough in your methods due to your experience so I’d like to hear what you do and why do you say it works. Just FYI I’m not advocating for e-collars (never had one, never considered) nor do I think that positive reinforcement is completely ineffective. Simply love to see more views on certain topics, so it’s a genuine question.
Hi, this is Debbie in Dallas, I just popped in to say pineapple only belongs on pizza if you substitute that tomato pizza/pasta sauce WITH ALFREDO SAUCE. Pineapple and Alfredo compliment each other in such a way as is not to be believed until you have wrapped your mouth around it! Pineapple becomes a very gross thing when it is swimming in pizza sauce which is basically pasta sauce and it's got all the wrong seasonings in it. The two acids Collide and Clash. It's no wonder everybody hates pineapple on pizza, it's because they don't know this! My favorite homemade Gourmet Pizza is this: Preheated oven Pizza pan Crust, ither pre-made store bought or a 5 minute make it yourself packet that costs about 65 cents from the same store - tastes better Olive oil Alfredo sauce A mild meat like prosciutto, roast beef deli slices, ham, Canadian bacon, bacon [smoked is good] or have beef and bacon or all the hams, roasted chicken, smoked turkey Drained pineapple chunks [ but, you could save some of the juice that you don't drink, and sprinkle it on after you put your cheeses] Mozzarella... .or blend in Asiago, and/or finely shredded Parmesan, [Monterey Jack might do if it's the only thing you've got and better if mixed with mozzarella, or even "sprinkle (grated) cheese" but it's not best alone, it's very mellow and almost flavorless] Bake according to the instructions on your crust choice Optional faves, perhaps for you, but they're almost my standards - then, again, you know you have to change those once in a while or they get stale: Add :Cashew halves and Craisins [yes, cranberry raisins], but not with roast beef I think. I haven't tried it but I think I would leave off the pineapple for that one it would be reminiscent of a pemmican on alfredo pizza, I guess, because they put dried meat and dried fruit together so they can travel with it. You can, of course put your cheese down after the sauce and put your meat and pineapple on top of the cheese, it can actually mean the difference in how it tastes
The three main lies that force free promote are: FF is just as effective if not more effective Inherent negative welfare if you use aversives FF is backed by science and is science based All are false and once someone understands this there is no argument for the use of FF methods. Just like I did. Beware of the excuses they use: “It’s against the law to be offleash so why aim for it” “Loose leash walking is supposed to take a long time” Once you really question on things they cannot achieve the rebuttal is always very clever excuses.
My 8 month old gsd has good recall, however when she sees other dogs and is off lead she will ignore me, drop to a herding position and charge to play, when she sees a deer she is after it, she will recall when the deer vanishes into the bush so I reckon I'll look at an e collar
I have very high prey drive, reactive sight hounds and without an e-collar nothing gets their attention when they lock in on what they want to chase. An e-collar has made our walks more relaxed and means I can actually let them off leash and have them enjoy life and I can take them for walks without being on edge constantly
E collar and prong collar are god given tools that have genuinely saved mine and my dogs life’s people will say it’s cruel it’s not not being able to walk them and them and yourself being restricted and locked in a house all day is cruel since getting a professional trainer and using them my dogs life and hole family House holds have improved massively we went all over the uk this summer with him and he loved it so did we it’s so nice knowing he isn’t going to try and eat anything that moves anymore he was out of control but giving up on him wasn’t a option needs must he is like a new dog he seems much happier than himself
I have two rat terriers. I take them out in the desert or the hills and hike with them about every other day. They love to hunt we don’t have a lot of things to hunt. But the jack rabbits are great sport. They both wear e collars I let them run after the rabbits. And the rabbit is far enough out of sight. They come back looking for me. They have so much freedom and have so much fun because of the e collars.
Your use of analogies to explain your goals is brilliant and hilarious, thank you for educating dog lovers around the world. If we, including myself, would and could stop humanizing our canine companions, realizing our dogs are still genetically wolves and through breeding are slowly turning our lovable, playful, furry carnivores into omnivores like ourselves. Let’s just hope our four legged companions don’t develop opposable thumbs or we’re all screwed 😎😎😎
We've had a number of dogs since the 80s. Most of them never required an e-collar. But my latest dog does. Why? Because he's aTerrier of working-dog stock. His parents were ratters and farm terriers bred to chase and kill things, or dig down and kill things. His prey drive is very high, he's extremely independent and environmentally focussed. We've made good progress with the usual training methods but there are various situations, that occur daily where we live, that mean he no longer gives a shit about getting praise or a treat. We walk in country areas, down footpaths in forests etc. He loves being off the lead, sniffing, chasing, running and generally living his best life. It's a joy to watch. But...we also need him to come back, to walk to heel without a lead to get past troublesome dogs, ignore the mountain bikers etc. He can deal with a lot of it but he will also just lose his mind if the stimulus is at a certain level - eyes are wide, mouth panting and nobody is home - at that point he is just living on instinct. The introduction of an e-collar has given him ALMOST rock solid recall under ALMOST any circumstances. Even with one, if he actually starts the chase of a fox or deer then I think you'd have to turn it up to 100% and actually Taser him to stop him but obvs not willing to do that. But with sensible use of it, he will turn on a penny and return if you catch him whilst he still has a little self-control left. However, he knows when he has the collar on and when he doesn't. And when he doesn't, his willful side will eventually dominate and he'll start deciding maybe he doesn't really need to come at first call. He's still pretty good mind. I do not accept that it's at all cruel. I've tried the stim level on my own bare skin and doesn't bother me. I'd rather that than a chain around my neck. He gets to live out his doggy instincts and have walks that he finds hugely enjoyable and rewarding. And with the collar on, I rarely need to use it anyway. Like in so many areas of modern life, those who are ideologically wedded to an idea, ruin things and try to get their own way without even bothering to understand the people who don't agree with them.
E collars are essential for dogs with high prey drive especially if they all ready have bad habits and honestly if its done properly you wont need it for ever. I just use the beep now thats enough.
You are changing the world of dog training! I have been dreaming about someone starting to create amazing balanced content, explaining why ecollars are truly a good tool! Keep this amazing work Jacob 💪
E-collars (as well as prong collars) are illegal in Germany due to their potential for abuse. As a result there is a higher focus on further developing alternative training methods. Curse or blessing?
its like spanking...not everyone who spanks is abusive but those who have anger issues may lean on using force more often and more excessively than they should. I think in the right hands e-collars can be great tools to use but in the wrong hands they are a recipe for disaster. those with anger issues probably shouldnt use them imo.
Un negotiable fact The wireless leash is the greatest invention of the modern day in dog training If u learn how to use ome correctly the world is ur oyster If u don't learn how to use one correctly ur dogs ruined
Whilst my dog has recall, it's pointless half the time even trying to shout him back once he's locked onto another dog or sniffing the ground and drooling because a bitch has left her scent in some grass. An e-collar would be REALLY beneficial, but I'd need to take him to a trainer just to get him conditioned to an e-collar and myself some tips for training any future dogs on it so that they can have freedom without me needing to worry about them getting into trouble. I do currently give my dog freedom off his lead, but once I spot another dog, he's straight back on because unless I know the other dog from previous encounters, I'd rather he didn't run up and potentially get attacked by another dog. He's been snapped at and maybe even a slight nip in there somewhere previously and he just doesn't care.
From what I have seen in regards to E-Collars is that it works when done right. However, there is very little deep dive content out there in regards to E-Collars. Advocates of E-Collars should, in my opinioin, actively show the process and how their dogs behave with them on. It's hard to fight against methods that work with evidence everywhere. TL/DR. Make a deep dive video, it's better for the dog community in the long run.
Robert Cabral, Tom Davis and Larry Krohn have many vids on how to use an e-collar and acclimate your dog to it. Larry also has a very simple book on Amazon that I used as a guide in the early days.
I won't use E-Collars. My dog comes even if he chasing a cat. I live in New Zealand. So hardly any small animals. Dexter my boy is good. He is Smooth Fox Terrier. I still training him.On 10 I got video chat with your team.
6:13 lately im starting to suspect that those trainers already have those dogs well-trained by the time they video and post it bcuz from the videos I've seen, those dogs are a little too spot-on with their commands.
I've had working dogs for 45 years- they are TOOLS, like any other tool. You can use them abusively, or you can use them well. You can buy a useless piece of crap, or a really good ecollar, with vibration, tone, and stim, and gps on it. There is just no such animal as totally positive dog training, without compulsion, it does not exist, You simply repackage the semantics. ALL of my dogs work and compete at elite levels, and are very very happy. There are breeds I would never put an ecollar on, and certain dogs within a breed I would never put an ecollar on- you have to read your dog's personality and know the breed of the dog- always avoid the training centers that slap collars on everything that comes in.
Once in ealy life, i had this dog. Did bark when left alone. Hell, pure hell. Had a dogsitter 12 year's. Did tell me, no more dogs. But i love dog's. So i dogsit. Having some very good dogs. but now, have some there do not like being home alone. So, these, can't buy them in Denmark, e-collars, but no chok, only been and vibrations. It work's. Do video them. With out collar, hauling, barking, kind of sad to see. And with, they just go to bed, running around, saying nothing. It do snap them out of sad mood, and into relaxing. Wish i had them collars back then. But as you say, used the right way, no problem. Think it's stupid s fault it's forbidden to sell or use here. Why not ban hammers ? lol it's a tool too, stupid can misuse
I’m open to correction but I believe despite what you will read on the internet that that legislation was never actually voted into law and as such they remain legal throughout the UK. If you check the .gov site you will see that the legislation ( showing the 1st feb date ) is still showing as draft and as such not in force because it never actually got voted in ….
@@quentinquentin3979 That actually sounds right from what i remember was said.. They planned on banning them.. but did not yet go trough with it, yet. In Norway you will get jailed.. There jas been a couplke cases but they are mot very missed.. we never used them much anyway.. and we have most dogs intact - illegal to neuther/spay.. and with both we still have great and obediant dogs with super recall.. wonder how it will work if they get banned.. if many rely so much on them.. Thank you so much for your informative and well written reply :)
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I’ve watched so many videos on dog training and have learnt so much by following so many different trainers, yet here i go again but this time it’s so refreshing and clear. Straight to the point is what you want and this delivers, without losing my attention.
Just had my mixed breed, rocket of a dog, off leash, walking a golf course in the mountains. I knew there were many deer around and he saw a few and gave chase. In seconds he was across three fairways, running like the wind. I gave him a few more seconds to enjoy himself and then gave a tap on his ecollar. He quickly turned around, flew back to me with an ear-to-ear smile, jogged past me and we kept on going. The ecollar let him be a complete dog, hit maximum speed in an all-out sprint through a beautiful area. It was kind of magical, only possible due to his ecollar and the proper, conditioned use of it. He did NOT come back shut down, suppressed or cowering. He came back full of joy... period! Its always the user, never the tool...
I didn't ever see the need for e-collars... until the dog I've got now. It really is for safety.
Great example of how ecollars can be used in a positive way ❤
My latest trainee is a female black Lab pup from British working lines. She'll be a SD like my last 3 Labs, so I don't want her chasing ANYTHING I don't tell her to. In fact, I want her to respect anything with a heartbeat. My yard is a safe zone for wildlife in my neighborhood and I want her to be comfortable around it, not chase it into the street or thru other peoples yards. At 8 months a squirrel can run right past her or safely sit a few feet away eating a nut. She knows it's there, but doesn't react to it. She'll run right past a deer to fetch her ball out of the woods and neither her or the deer react because they're used to each other. We can walk right thru a flock of geese and as much noise as they make over it, she won't react. We did all that without an e-collar.
Wildlife poop however, was a different matter. Nothing I tried worked to enforce "leave it" because she knew I couldn't catch her and she would just parade around mocking me. That all ended in a single day when I broke out the e-collar and she found out why I'm the boss and she's not. The most beautiful part was, the lesson wasn't "don't eat goose poo" but learning that I ALWAYS have an answer for deliberate disobedience. She won a couple battles, but I won the war. Now it doesn't matter what it is, if I say "leave it" she listens right away and ignores most things before I even have to. The lesson was gold when we got to public access training in grocery stores. There's no people food as tempting as fresh goose or deer poo.
I don't use an e-collar to train skills, but for enforcing commands they already know from a distance under high distraction there's nothing better. In fact, under those conditions there's no other tool than even works when you can't reach them and they decide to blow you off. Every dog owner I see at the park who frowns on e-collars also has a dog that doesn't listen to them for sh*t. They can't go off leash, and even on leash their dogs are reactive and out of control. Not because they won't use e-collars, but because they're afraid to discipline their dog in any way for bad behavior. They're always the ones making excuses instead of training their dogs :)
@@ShamanicSavant Agree 100% with all you stated. My dog will also ignore a squirrel, other dogs, cats etc when we're out walking and he knows he's either supposed to heel or simply stay in his 10' "bubble" around me when off leash, ecollared or not. These deer were 100+ yards away and I knew he'd never get close to them. Wanted him to have a good run and bit of excitement and he did just that and came back with an ear to ear grin. As a trainer, I have the same issue with owners that don't enforce the obedience we've instilled in their dogs, at their expense. Always a good cop/bad cop in the house it seems.
I agree that e-collars are a great tool. My dog (14 now) was absolutely erratic. I was told she was 12 wks old but the vet said she was more like 6 weeks so I believe she never had enough time with the mother, so affecting her behaviour.
She had puppy training classes, older dog classes, private trainers - none helped and it was recommended to keep her on a halti.
I tried long leash training and she was fab at recall BUT as soon as that lead was off it was a trigger switch in her brain! My dog would spot someone or a dog way across a field and run full pelt towards them. She would chase squirrels. She has bolted out in roads as soon as the lead was off. She would jump in peoples faces and it worried me that she would end up being pts. I purchased a collar. I hated the thought but it was a last ditch desperate attempt. I tried it on myself and it was like vibrations rather than the shock collars I read about. The first time she pelted I gave a low warning buzz and command - she chose to ignore it so upped the anti and she turned 360 and has never done it since. It was the best thing I could have tried and never had to use it after. It’s like it turned that switch off in her head for good but I also believe that her reaction, gave me a different attitude if she just wore the collar - it stopped my fear of her bolting and I think owners attitudes make a lot of difference as they sense it.
It also made her much easier to train afterwards and she is now an amazing well behaved calm dog. But lately I’ve been poorly and if I walk her feeling unwell she has started to get up front instead of at my side which is not like her at all - it’s my mindset.
Agree. Look for “Temple Grandin on e-collars” to learn more. Temple Grandin is an an academic, ethologist and author with an amazing backstory.
Would love a deep dive into ecollars. Much needed to educate dog owners for a better experience altogether. Your videos are very helpful!!
I’ve recently rehomed a x breed we think staffy and GS, the first few weeks she was subdued, then she find herself and turned into a nightmare not listening chasing etc she becomes obsessed with what ever so I went for the e collar after some research, and actually I use the vibration to break her obsessed focus and makes walking so much more enjoyable. I was dead against them before hand but honestly if you’ve got a hyper focused dog it works well
Unfortunately there will always be people that use them for wrong reasons.
Always the user, not the tool....
But there are people who will use collars, chains, sitcks, their boots etc for the wrong reasons too. So why pick on e-collars? Some people simply should never own a dog because they are either clueless about training them at all, or cruel people in general. Those people will be cruel with or without e-collar technology.
The e-collar we use, a fairly low-end Amazon model, has been a godsend for our 7-month Belgian Malinois girl. Just that she knows it's there, enables her to come out of "doggie brain" and obey recall even when 100 yards away. It allows us to give her much more freedom, knowing she will come when called. It's also been helpful for jumping behaviors, jumping on others. She knows NOT to jump up on Dad, but other people were fair game. The e-collar changed that, Santa knows if you're being naughty or nice, and she mostly stopped jumping on others. Now she sometimes jumps on Dad, to show her love or excitement, like when going for a walk or to play fetch, but stops when told to.
As with all tools: useful in the right hands for the right application; useless or dangerous in the wrong hands for the wrong application.
I got one for my large dog.
Told the kids that we can’t put something on the dog if we aren’t prepared to try it first on us.
So we took turns putting the collar on and barking.
Was really funny watching my 9 and 11 year olds test the collar.
Then I tried it. Wasnt that bad. Put it on full power for me.
Felt like someone had pinched my neck.
Best video I've seen on explaining proper E-Collar use. And I've seen a lot.
This video needs to be everywhere
I hike off-leash with my gsd. I use the e-collar vibrator for the leave it command often and it works terrific. I conditioned her to it before going out hiking and trying it. She wants to eat dead mice and live mice out there. The vibrate stops her most of the time if I am paying attention-it turns her attention back onto me. Today she smelled something about 75 feet away. It was a coyote laying in the grass. It got up and ran away as she chased it out of sight. I pushed the stim button and she came running back. At this point, she probably would have run back to me anyway (I'm 98% sure of it).
Yeah and your dog gets the joy of being off lead on hikes that other dogs could only dream of. Pretty good deal I would say.
@@RaveyDavey Thanks. 😁
Only stumbled on your channel a few days ago and so glad I did. You speak a lot of common sense. I've been training my 2 and half yr old cocker spaniel pretty much daily since she came into my life at 1 year old after a difficult start.
She's come a long way, and I've taken her to gundog training classes to gain knowledge on her breed traits and needs, and learn how to harness her prey drive. She's a fabulous and very smart dog in many ways, but she does have a huge prey drive. She wants to approach any dog she sees and run after squirrels, rabbits, pheasants you name it. I live in the countryside and spoilt for woodland and open countryside walks, but I'm still not at a point where I feel comfortable letting her off lead and feel so guilty. I'm running with her on a long line to give her some freedom, and on walks I'm always trying to interact with her with dummy retrieves, and have fun with her, but it can be exhausting at times when she needs to run to let off steam, so she pulls like a train. I've tried so hard to train a good recall, but as soon as I've tested having her off lead, she's off after a scent. She recalls, turns and stops to a whistle brilliantly on a longline, UNLESS there's a distraction. I literally walk out of my garden and there are rabbits, so not easy to avoid!
After watching this, I'm going to look at ecollars as an option to give her her much needed freedom on walks, and me peace of mind. I'll continue with training of course, but as you say, maybe it's an extra piece of security.
Are there any brands you would recommend?
Really do appreciate your thoughts on ecollars.
Thinking of starting using one for my 9 month old Husky as she'd love to be off lead but hasnt got the recall needed
The " all the way up to a stock fence " couldnt of been more accurate 😂 got an e collar and wanted to see where we were at in terms of the level so chucked in on myself .
1 through to 5 good
5 to 8 gets you lively
Max - stock fence
My perspective on this, and balanced training in general is this. The idea is to develop a positive relationship with the dog and the world around them. Mainly focusing on positive reinforcement is a really good basis for training. However, life, for any living organism is not automatically easy. There are natural consequences in the world, that can be temporarily harmful. If said living organism survives, they have learned some caution and possibly have developed some alarm bells in their system to slow down and prevent bad thing from happening.
So how does it relate to adverse training techniques? There are a few ways.
1) often adverse training is for the dogs safety.
2) a complete lack of adversity can actually create some weird behaviors - this has actually been shown in child development studies (yes actual psychological research) and has been shown in nature. For example if you plant a sappling and steak the tree so it grows straight, it will actually have long term negative effects on the integrity of the tree. Once the support is gone and a strong gust of wind comes through, it is more likely to topple over. The adversity being the elements, the resulting defense mechanism is deeper stronger roots.
3) you CANNOT train a dogs nature and instincts out of them. It isn't even about rewards, it is instinctual for high prey drive dogs to chase. No amount of motivation will stop it from happening. What you can do is work with it. alternative instinct is to avoid something uncomfortable. Something like an e collar might not prevent a dog from chasing, but it is more likely to bring that dog back once they regain themselves a little bit.
4) as an owner of a sight hound, the safty of my dog is always an issue. No. Matter. What. No matter how many precautions i take or how secure i think the area is. He has gotten out of places i thought were completely secure. Its better to have an emergency safty plan than to lose the dog all together.
I personally think its silly that anyone thinks adversity training is all abuse. Yes, a lot of trainers out there have been/are abusive. But its like comparing a person who spanks their child and doesn't tell them what they did wrong or why it was bad (abuse), to a parent who says no to their kid, takes away privileges temporarily and has a uses the mess up as a teaching opportunity to develop and experience self growth. Positive only techniques are in many ways like raising a nepo baby, walking on eggshells its whole life trying to make sure nothing ever goes wrong so as not to "ruin" their dog.
About twenty years ago an e-collar saved my dog's life. I had a JRT/border collie cross. All the prey drive plus the herding instinct, and by the time she was nine months old, although she had a great recall normally, she started chasing sheep and there seemed to be nothing I could do to stop her. A family friend had bought an e-collar for a neighbouring farmer who retrained sheep dogs who had started attacking sheep (his methods were somewhat barbaric, and she thought it would be kinder to the dogs) it was apparently very successful so I thought I'd try it. The instructions recommended the maximum setting for stock worrying, and although she hadn't yet bitten, she would run sheep until they lay down from exhaustion so I went with that. I used it twice. She never chased a sheep again, and could be walked off lead through sheep fields without paying them any attention at all, especially if I had a tennis ball to throw. She lived till 17, and was the best and loveliest family dog I could have asked for. Without the e-collar she would have been put to sleep or shot by a farmer. Unfortunately I live in Wales so can't use them anymore, and this has probably influenced me to choose dogs with low prey drives. I have found a remote training collar which has both a spray and a vibration setting and this has been useful to reinforce commands with my young dog when she gets hyped up and temporarily deaf at the beginning of walks. What's your opinion on those?
I had a vibration collar for my dog and it worked instantly. I tried it on myself and it really was harmless, even at the highest buzz. It seemed to snap her brain instantly and just wearing it after the first use had the same affect. I only used the high buzz once.
I trained my dogs to ignore wildlife and live stock using remote control spray collars. It also perfected their recall.
Great explanation, I feel its only scratching the surface of what can be achieved with Ecollar.
Well done for not falling i to the trap of trying to justify the Ecollar as ‘can be taught to be positive to the dog’, bit still acknowledging it can be paired with reward after.
I would very much appreciate an in-depth video on the proper use of e-collars. I want my dogs to be able to enjoy being free to run but we have just had too many scary close calls (one of my dogs wants to chase cars) so they spend a lot of time on the leash. I hate it and if an e-collar could change it I would use one in a heartbeat.
That’s awesome!!!
Thanks for such great material
Excellent explanation , and balanced . 🏆👍
Underrated channel .
Be a good dog owner and share .
This reasoned and logical explanation has changed my outlook about e-collars. I have no reason to use them currently (due to my health I can't have a dog) but if in the future I have a dog with a high prey drive (or know someone else with one) I can suggest this video.
Excellent , I use the ecollar and my young 9 month old Gsd actually grabs the ecollar when he knows were going out, he relates it to positive experiences. And it's good to be able to have a dog off leash and ve able to enforce a recall if needed. It's like your analogy of the the seat belt.
This was a brilliant video presentation. Thank you.
You appear to be one of the few dog training content providers who are honest with the limitations of any particular training method.
I've two rescue dogs both with a very high prey drive and both who had little training in their early years. It's taken me two years to get my now 13yo up to a good level but even now she can rarely be off her lead and never around livestock: I've had equipment failure leading to a few minor sheep incidents. An E-collar sounds like it's worth a try as she is lucky not to have been shot by a farmer so it may save her life if the equipment fails another time. Keep up the good work.
Great video very well explained 👌🏻👊🏻
There are so many e-collars on the market. Any recommendations for a nearly adult Airedale?
The E collar as not only enriched my 3 shepherds lives but mine too ... I can take all three out together let. Them off lead and we all thoroughly enjoy our walks. Before e collar training I walked one dog at a time and. Was constantly on edge scanning the horizon. Then if a deer was spotted I just had to wait and hope my dog would return safe. And not have caused any accidents . I tell everyone I know they should invest and let their dogs live a full and happy dog life
Appreciate your insight on e collar training. Have you read the 23 page publication by Ivan et all?
Use it for my dog. It’s amazing
This is a fantastic educational video. However can I say that there is a huge difference between the $40 shock collar on Amazon, and a quality ecollar made by the top of the line companies. I have both, and the difference is shocking lol. The stim on the cheap ones travels through their body (and up my arm and out my funny bone), but the stim on my mini educator stays in my hand. There is concern that cheap shock collars on dog necks can travel to their hearts and do damage. Choose wisely.
Depends on how cheap you go. I have both a $300 Dogtra 1900s, and an Invirox Ultra K9 that was a hundred bucks. I'm using the Invirox because it has more options, a night light, a better display, more compact remote collar, and better ergonomics. It's only got 99 stim levels vs 127 and the tuning between them isn't quite as fine, but it's more than adequate. The range and stim is the same, they're both like a TENS unit. Battery Life is about the same on both, lasting 2-3 weeks of everyday use on a single charge. I bought the Invirox as a backup when my Dogtra needed repair, but we just kept using it. I just like the ergonomics and additional features, and my dog likes the smaller lighter remote on the collar. I love Dogtra and they've been my go to for years, but they could stand a technology/feature update or two :)
They are the best thing since sliced bread when you have a German Shepherd with huge prey drive and lots of kangaroos! Unfortunately they are illegal in our state (New South Wales)
Absolutely brilliant. If the tv game wasn’t full of idiots, you’d have your own show. Very good mate.👏🏼👏🏼
Again, very interesting, thank you. Chris in Brazil.
What a great explanation 👍
Fantastic video 👏👏👏👏 I'm so glad I took the chance on an e-collar. My sensitive boy responds amazingly to the lowest stims, a level I myself don't even feel unless I put the contactpoints on my upperlip. He's been allowed to be off lead for our long 5AM walk and I haven't used the e-collar in weeks, but it's still on him just in case.
You remind me of the trainers I know and I love it :)
Best one yet bud👍
Thank you for your video. As with all of your videos (which I just discovered), it is well thought out and based on common sense. However, I am of the opinion, based on a both scientific material (studies plus an understanding of learning principles) and training experience (including the majority of the trainers on the internet), that most trainers who incorporate the use of the e-collars misuse them; the majority of these trainers believe they are e-collar experts.
As an aside, there are no perfect studies. Each has value as long as you understand the inherent weakness of the study (which a good researcher will illustrate as part of their discussion). Unfortunately, if you want to disagree with a study, these factors are used to discount the study all together.
Also, ecollar makers use a different electrical frequency than a shock collar. Ecollars have the same frequency as a TENS unit used in physical therapy.
I’ve got an unboxed e collar i’ve had for a few years. Link for how to use please. Have watched the how to with other trainers eg No Bad Dogs ( Tom Davies) but as i’m here now would be useful.
Thank you.. people don’t believe my shepherd can have this prey lock.. it’s my last obstacle. I’m just afraid to train with an e collar because I heard about the dogs gotten mentally scarred for life by misuse due bad training
Brilliant Video! 👏
After owning boxers for twenty years I have ended up with one that is a bit of a twat. Actually very intelligent, but no desire to please. She spent two years mainly on lead until I trained her on an ecollar. Both of our lives have improved immensely. She has freedom, and we both have trust.
Poor dog 😔
What I like to say is, there will always be people who use angle grinders incorrectly and hurt themselves. There will always be people who use angle grinders for less than favourable uses. But do we ban angle grinders? No. We just advocate correctly using them and require a firm understanding of their safety before using them at a site.
What about the smell collar that releases a puff of a strong scent? Do those work? This is a genuine question.
I’m confused, I agree with all you say but aren’t they illegal now in England and Wales?
I use one with my Malinois...and she actually comes running when I hold it to put it on. REASON, because when I use it regularly...and she comes...there is a MaroSnack. She always comes, just in case!!! But anytime I beep on the collar...it is to call her to come to me. And she is three years old and if she is anywhere on my two acres without hollering...she hears the little been and hightails it back to me. Sometimes there is a treat...and sometimes NOT. But she always comes. I almost never use the shock...but just enough so she actually KNOWS the BAD SIDE...but the good side is almost always...the occasional use of the SHOCK is really effective. She almost never does anything wrong...so when I get the collar and test it to see that it is one both control and collar...she comes and sits and holds her head up so I can put it on. She loves the E-collar. It is simply a good thing with treats (mostly)
I have recall from rabbits without e-collar and without food.😅 Hans Alpine K9 knows how to do it. Others trainers couldn't for me.
I've had EVERY dog off lead from their first walk.
Including my newest who I only had for a few days beforehand.
And has 100% recall.
NEVER used a shock collar on any of them.
Also NEVER taken their food.
I actually made my own method years ago where I go to my dog.
NOT the other way around and it works everytime.
What DO you use to train your dogs though? How do you ensure that the training is effective? You seem confident enough in your methods due to your experience so I’d like to hear what you do and why do you say it works.
Just FYI I’m not advocating for e-collars (never had one, never considered) nor do I think that positive reinforcement is completely ineffective. Simply love to see more views on certain topics, so it’s a genuine question.
Hi, this is Debbie in Dallas, I just popped in to say pineapple only belongs on pizza if you substitute that tomato pizza/pasta sauce WITH ALFREDO SAUCE. Pineapple and Alfredo compliment each other in such a way as is not to be believed until you have wrapped your mouth around it!
Pineapple becomes a very gross thing when it is swimming in pizza sauce which is basically pasta sauce and it's got all the wrong seasonings in it. The two acids Collide and Clash. It's no wonder everybody hates pineapple on pizza, it's because they don't know this!
My favorite homemade Gourmet Pizza is this:
Preheated oven
Pizza pan
Crust, ither pre-made store bought or a 5 minute make it yourself packet that costs about 65 cents from the same store - tastes better
Olive oil
Alfredo sauce
A mild meat like prosciutto, roast beef deli slices, ham, Canadian bacon, bacon [smoked is good] or have beef and bacon or all the hams, roasted chicken, smoked turkey
Drained pineapple chunks [ but, you could save some of the juice that you don't drink, and sprinkle it on after you put your cheeses]
Mozzarella... .or blend in Asiago, and/or finely shredded Parmesan, [Monterey Jack might do if it's the only thing you've got and better if mixed with mozzarella, or even "sprinkle (grated) cheese" but it's not best alone, it's very mellow and almost flavorless]
Bake according to the instructions on your crust choice
Optional faves, perhaps for you, but they're almost my standards - then, again, you know you have to change those once in a while or they get stale: Add :Cashew halves and Craisins [yes, cranberry raisins], but not with roast beef I think. I haven't tried it but I think I would leave off the pineapple for that one it would be reminiscent of a pemmican on alfredo pizza, I guess, because they put dried meat and dried fruit together so they can travel with it.
You can, of course put your cheese down after the sauce and put your meat and pineapple on top of the cheese, it can actually mean the difference in how it tastes
The three main lies that force free promote are:
FF is just as effective if not more effective
Inherent negative welfare if you use aversives
FF is backed by science and is science based
All are false and once someone understands this there is no argument for the use of FF methods. Just like I did.
Beware of the excuses they use:
“It’s against the law to be offleash so why aim for it”
“Loose leash walking is supposed to take a long time”
Once you really question on things they cannot achieve the rebuttal is always very clever excuses.
My 8 month old gsd has good recall, however when she sees other dogs and is off lead she will ignore me, drop to a herding position and charge to play, when she sees a deer she is after it, she will recall when the deer vanishes into the bush so I reckon I'll look at an e collar
I have very high prey drive, reactive sight hounds and without an e-collar nothing gets their attention when they lock in on what they want to chase. An e-collar has made our walks more relaxed and means I can actually let them off leash and have them enjoy life and I can take them for walks without being on edge constantly
E collar and prong collar are god given tools that have genuinely saved mine and my dogs life’s people will say it’s cruel it’s not not being able to walk them and them and yourself being restricted and locked in a house all day is cruel since getting a professional trainer and using them my dogs life and hole family
House holds have improved massively we went all over the uk this summer with him and he loved it so did we it’s so nice knowing he isn’t going to try and eat anything that moves anymore he was out of control but giving up on him wasn’t a option needs must he is like a new dog he seems much happier than himself
I have two rat terriers. I take them out in the desert or the hills and hike with them about every other day. They love to hunt we don’t have a lot of things to hunt. But the jack rabbits are great sport. They both wear e collars I let them run after the rabbits. And the rabbit is far enough out of sight. They come back looking for me. They have so much freedom and have so much fun because of the e collars.
Your use of analogies to explain your goals is brilliant and hilarious, thank you for educating dog lovers around the world. If we, including myself, would and could stop humanizing our canine companions, realizing our dogs are still genetically wolves and through breeding are slowly turning our lovable, playful, furry carnivores into omnivores like ourselves. Let’s just hope our four legged companions don’t develop opposable thumbs or we’re all screwed 😎😎😎
We've had a number of dogs since the 80s. Most of them never required an e-collar. But my latest dog does. Why? Because he's aTerrier of working-dog stock. His parents were ratters and farm terriers bred to chase and kill things, or dig down and kill things. His prey drive is very high, he's extremely independent and environmentally focussed. We've made good progress with the usual training methods but there are various situations, that occur daily where we live, that mean he no longer gives a shit about getting praise or a treat. We walk in country areas, down footpaths in forests etc. He loves being off the lead, sniffing, chasing, running and generally living his best life. It's a joy to watch. But...we also need him to come back, to walk to heel without a lead to get past troublesome dogs, ignore the mountain bikers etc. He can deal with a lot of it but he will also just lose his mind if the stimulus is at a certain level - eyes are wide, mouth panting and nobody is home - at that point he is just living on instinct.
The introduction of an e-collar has given him ALMOST rock solid recall under ALMOST any circumstances. Even with one, if he actually starts the chase of a fox or deer then I think you'd have to turn it up to 100% and actually Taser him to stop him but obvs not willing to do that. But with sensible use of it, he will turn on a penny and return if you catch him whilst he still has a little self-control left. However, he knows when he has the collar on and when he doesn't. And when he doesn't, his willful side will eventually dominate and he'll start deciding maybe he doesn't really need to come at first call. He's still pretty good mind.
I do not accept that it's at all cruel. I've tried the stim level on my own bare skin and doesn't bother me. I'd rather that than a chain around my neck. He gets to live out his doggy instincts and have walks that he finds hugely enjoyable and rewarding. And with the collar on, I rarely need to use it anyway. Like in so many areas of modern life, those who are ideologically wedded to an idea, ruin things and try to get their own way without even bothering to understand the people who don't agree with them.
Love YCA!
Are these banned in U.K.
This one’s for the algorithm, hope this video spreads like a wild fire
E collars are essential for dogs with high prey drive especially if they all ready have bad habits and honestly if its done properly you wont need it for ever. I just use the beep now thats enough.
You are changing the world of dog training! I have been dreaming about someone starting to create amazing balanced content, explaining why ecollars are truly a good tool! Keep this amazing work Jacob 💪
E-collars (as well as prong collars) are illegal in Germany due to their potential for abuse. As a result there is a higher focus on further developing alternative training methods. Curse or blessing?
They should make electronic collars that are limited to a low "schock" level.
E collars helped in training all my dogs
😹🐾very wise advice, thank you
E-collars are definetely outlawed here in Italy...
its like spanking...not everyone who spanks is abusive but those who have anger issues may lean on using force more often and more excessively than they should. I think in the right hands e-collars can be great tools to use but in the wrong hands they are a recipe for disaster. those with anger issues probably shouldnt use them imo.
Those Zebras get everywhere in the UK.
Un negotiable fact
The wireless leash is the greatest invention of the modern day in dog training
If u learn how to use ome correctly the world is ur oyster
If u don't learn how to use one correctly ur dogs ruined
How do you walk 10 dogs at once with e-collars?
most e collars can be programmed to the same remote but on different frequencies
Where can I see the video of the guy telling you to use less treats with your puppy? 😂
Whilst my dog has recall, it's pointless half the time even trying to shout him back once he's locked onto another dog or sniffing the ground and drooling because a bitch has left her scent in some grass.
An e-collar would be REALLY beneficial, but I'd need to take him to a trainer just to get him conditioned to an e-collar and myself some tips for training any future dogs on it so that they can have freedom without me needing to worry about them getting into trouble.
I do currently give my dog freedom off his lead, but once I spot another dog, he's straight back on because unless I know the other dog from previous encounters, I'd rather he didn't run up and potentially get attacked by another dog. He's been snapped at and maybe even a slight nip in there somewhere previously and he just doesn't care.
From what I have seen in regards to E-Collars is that it works when done right. However, there is very little deep dive content out there in regards to E-Collars. Advocates of E-Collars should, in my opinioin, actively show the process and how their dogs behave with them on. It's hard to fight against methods that work with evidence everywhere.
TL/DR. Make a deep dive video, it's better for the dog community in the long run.
Robert Cabral, Tom Davis and Larry Krohn have many vids on how to use an e-collar and acclimate your dog to it. Larry also has a very simple book on Amazon that I used as a guide in the early days.
I suddenly have the urge for pineapple on pizza.
Sadly not legal in Sweden :/
The China study was not a scientific study if the videos - the test data/subjects were not made available for peer review.
I won't use E-Collars. My dog comes even if he chasing a cat. I live in New Zealand. So hardly any small animals. Dexter my boy is good. He is Smooth Fox Terrier. I still training him.On 10 I got video chat with your team.
6:13 lately im starting to suspect that those trainers already have those dogs well-trained by the time they video and post it bcuz from the videos I've seen, those dogs are a little too spot-on with their commands.
New subscriber 😊 I’d love some more info on the E collars if possible also you seem way to young to know who Debbie is 😂 😂😂😂
I've had working dogs for 45 years- they are TOOLS, like any other tool. You can use them abusively, or you can use them well. You can buy a useless piece of crap, or a really good ecollar, with vibration, tone, and stim, and gps on it. There is just no such animal as totally positive dog training, without compulsion, it does not exist, You simply repackage the semantics. ALL of my dogs work and compete at elite levels, and are very very happy. There are breeds I would never put an ecollar on, and certain dogs within a breed I would never put an ecollar on- you have to read your dog's personality and know the breed of the dog- always avoid the training centers that slap collars on everything that comes in.
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Once in ealy life, i had this dog. Did bark when left alone. Hell, pure hell. Had a dogsitter 12 year's. Did tell me, no more dogs.
But i love dog's. So i dogsit. Having some very good dogs. but now, have some there do not like being home alone. So, these, can't buy them in Denmark, e-collars, but no chok, only been and vibrations.
It work's. Do video them. With out collar, hauling, barking, kind of sad to see.
And with, they just go to bed, running around, saying nothing. It do snap them out of sad mood, and into relaxing.
Wish i had them collars back then.
But as you say, used the right way, no problem.
Think it's stupid s fault it's forbidden to sell or use here.
Why not ban hammers ? lol it's a tool too, stupid can misuse
Aren't these banned in UK? as they are here in Norway ..?
Not all of UK, thankfully.
They are illigal, but people can still buy them.
I’m open to correction but I believe despite what you will read on the internet that that legislation was never actually voted into law and as such they remain legal throughout the UK.
If you check the .gov site you will see that the legislation ( showing the 1st feb date ) is still showing as draft and as such not in force because it never actually got voted in ….
@@quentinquentin3979 That actually sounds right from what i remember was said.. They planned on banning them.. but did not yet go trough with it, yet. In Norway you will get jailed.. There jas been a couplke cases but they are mot very missed.. we never used them much anyway.. and we have most dogs intact - illegal to neuther/spay.. and with both we still have great and obediant dogs with super recall.. wonder how it will work if they get banned.. if many rely so much on them.. Thank you so much for your informative and well written reply :)
@@Kuro_Reaperthey are not illegal in the UK only in Wales .
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Too fast !! I got completely lost 😞 here! A lot of information n speaking way too fast