HOTD: Official Podcast: S2 Ep. 3: Bethany Antonia’s Rising Impact on Team Black
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- Jason and Greta dive into the third episode of the season. They talk with Bethany Antonia (Baela Targaryen) about dragon riding and Baela’s growing role on Team Black. Then director Geeta Vasant Patel shares how they approached shooting that final scene and offers her take on Daemon’s next moves.
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Seeing Criston run for his life made my whole week
Criston Cole obsession is so cringe. I don't even like him but you people sound like Alicent want to hit him and then have sex with him or what? because all this hate is like to much. Menntal issues? and some are who harassing Fabien Frankel because of this character, some of these people are so delusional that they can’t tell the difference between fiction and non fiction. It’s so bad he had to mute his instagram because of it. Kudos to Fabien for the amazing job tho.
My Godness...
Rhaneyra and Baela exchanged the kind of look you get between a concerned and shocked mother and her reckless teenager, like "I was being CAREFUL, mother! I'm FINE! You're OVERREACTING!".
So impressed with Geeta's episode. Solid episode.
@@DavidGrushlol.... cry harder david
We definitely thank her for that brothel scene. It was GOT gold.
I really loved the Harrenhal scenes! It seems like the show is fully embracing the Harrenhal curse idea from the books. Matt Smith's performance in this episode was also fantastic.
He reminds me of dr who in this episode. The last ep he was prince Philip its so great!!
Every episode of season 2 has been good.
I'm here for Freddie Fox as Gwayne Hightower
Gwayne has all the landed family disdain for Ser Crispy, lol
I think the thing about prince/your grace is that when a woman becomes Queen consort, she is referred to as Your Grace. Instead, when a man becomes King consort, he is referred to as prince. I guess because of Daemon’s ego he cannot stand being called prince being married to a queen. He wants the satisfaction of being called Your Grace as if he was a true king.
That’s how it felt to me too. Like Daemon saying “Dude, come on, what the hell. I’ve leveled up from ‘Prince’ and have been promoted to ‘King Consort.’ Don’t take that from me, man.”
Bethany is adorable!!!!😊
40:28 Bethany Antonia
56:04 Geeta patel
Why should Rhaenerya strike a deal and compromise when she has been robbed? You don’t negotiate with thieves or usurpers. Her stance of ‘move or be moved’ is very fair to me.
It still means thousands of innocents will die, including her own family, just for her to have her crown. She is not in the wrong, thats just the reality and she could stop it. Of course the show invented that she thinks she needs to sit the throne because of the prophecy. But she could have told Aegon about it
@@dr_buschy or Aegon, could not have usurped the throne?
@@CJAmara As I said, she is in the right. But at the point we are right now Rhaenyra could end this. She now knows Alicent cant end it, she propably still could.
Seeing that Dianna wasn't murdered by Alicent made me happy. Except now she gets SA by not a royal family member
Removing her children & those young dragons & eggs from the immediate war zone is also smart. If her children were captured, they could be used as leverage against her to force her to surrender & the eggs could end up in the Green's hands as well. It is both a motherly & queenly thing to do. Has Daemon even sent word to Team Black headquarters that he took Harranhall? Seems like important info to have...
They are going to be kidnapped on their voyage, so define "Smart" durrrrrrrrrrrr.
It took Daemon at least a day to get to Harrenhal on dragonback, the show makes it seem like the events of e3 are two days later at most. Even if he sent a raven in the middle of the night during pouring rain, and raven didnt get hurt, and assuming that Harrenhal even has a raven for Dragonstone, it would take the raven a few days to get the news
And something tells me that Harrenhal doesnt have a raven for Dragonstone
23:00 Aegon said it in an earlier episode this season when he was hanging out with his frat bros; he thinks Aemond "knows his place" and that he is "as loyal as a hound." That last phrase has some particular resonance since he brought up "hound" references again when he confronted Aemond in the brothel, even barking/woofing at him. He believes he can treat this hound the same way Cheese treated his dog and kick him whenever he wants, because in the end the animal will come back to him, begging for the scraps from his table. Either Aegon is an idiot and has no idea how fierce a bear he is poking with his bullying, or Aemond really won't ever strike back because Aegon is king now and so he _can't_ strike back.
Jason, please stop calling Ser Criston "Christopher"...
When his real name is Crispin
Geeta is the best!
Larys was listening....
And Harrenhall was all bad magic
i really love this pod 😊
But… but🥺🥺🥺no mention of seasmoke?! I was so looking forward for your take on that 😢😢😢
I was looking forward to hearing their take on restless Seasmoke too. I've read others that believe Seasmoke came back looking for Leonor's partner because Leonor had died, but I thought the partner took off with Leonor.
I think I need to go back and pay more attention to who the partner is and what he looks like. I thought it was a mixed racial relationship but Im reading comments on other channels referring to Addam of Hul that was Leonor's partner (who I thought was one of the newer characters of color that have had dialogue with Alyn and Corlys in S2E2). I must be conflating something?
In any case, popular opinion seems to lean towards it meaning that Leonor has died off screen.
@@treesabhe did leave with his partner, I was maybe thinking, seasmoke is restless cause their master is just gone?don’t know, but, I hope to see more of that and seeing what happens.
Queens are referred to as Your Grace so why shouldnt Daemon?
It is the same in our world, king is considered a higher title than queen. If you’re married to a queen you remain prince or lord
The eggs Rhaenyra sent with Rhaena aren’t the same colors as Dany’s dragon eggs.
They also haven’t been petrified into stone yet.
Team Rhaenyra.
This is just a FUN post, nothing to be serious or worked up about (in case TGs read this). It's just a fictional show we have fun discussing😊
Since the Targaryens and everybody is so
obsessed with Targaryen blood purity and incest, it occurred to me to compare Nyra and Aegon II in terms of how much Targaryen blood they had. I mean people use a lot of silly metrics to justify things, So why not have fun and look at it?
Alyssane Targaryen was Rhaenyra's great grandmother. She was Jahaerys' "sister wife"- daughter of Aenys I Targaryen (100%) and Alyssa Velaryon (0%). Thus, Alyssane was 50% Targaryen.
Now Alyssane (50%) married Jaeherys (50%), so their daughter Daella Targaryen was 50% Targaryen.
Now Daella (50%) married Sir Roderick Arryn (0%) and had Aemma Arryn. So Aemma is 25% Targaryen.
Now Aemma (25%) married Viserys I Targaryen (50%). So their daughter Rhaenyra is >!37.5% Targaryen!<
I've got time to kill today 😂 I am not doing this for Aegon - you are free to, if you like. I believe Aegon would be 25% Targaryen (assuming Alicent is 0%).
Of course all this is assuming that Aegon the conqueror and his wives are 100% Targaryen.
But they are quite a few generations before so the math won't make much of a difference.
Peace ✌️🕊️
Rhaenyra may not have presented Alicent with an enticing offer, but the Green’s proposal for “compromise” last season was just as abysmal: “Abdicate the throne and let your youngest be hostages, and we’ll generously let you keep what you already have and offer you nothing of equal of greater value in return. Refuse and we’ll…uh…remain at a standstill or retaliate, I guess?”
And that makes sense. The throne isn’t a commodity that can be easily traded without one party feeling deeply slighted. Furthermore, each party has a legitimate claim, so their entitlement is justified.
One party should have folded sooner, no matter how unfair, in order to preserve peace. But each party is too stubborn and prideful to do so, especially when they each feel they are in the right. Besides, would folding actually preserve peace, or would it merely postpone an inevitable coup from the side that feels cheated?
Unfortunately, the time for a peaceful resolution has long passed. Now that Rhaenyra has gotten closure from speaking with Alicent, she can move forward with more certainty.
As for Alicent, perhaps she’ll now reflect on her past with more clarity and come to realize that the green she’s been clad in this entire time wasn’t that of her family’s house, but of her own festering and resentful envy. In acknowledging that awful truth, in feeling humility, Alicent may finally find some grace.
[edited to correct typos]
I think this meeting and
communication between Rhaenyra and Alicent is just the first. What a story it would be if these two, at the center and the heart of this conflict, start working out a way to end it (with some type of
compromise or alliance or marriage or something). Yet all the while the world burns around them as neighbors battle and kill one another in their names. As Alicent said, it's simply too late.
Would Alicent knowing about the Prince That Was Promised make Rhaenyra think that maybe Viserys changed his mind about the succession? It's just that when Viserys told Rhaenyra he said it was passed down from ruler to heir throughout history and that's why Daemon was annoyed when Rhaenyra knew it but he didn't.
So maybe with Alicent mentioning TPTWP there was a seed of doubt planted in Rhaenyra's mind, which would make her double down and realise that she's going to have to go to war.
38:50 what do you mean “Viserys didnt show support for Rhaenyra while alive”? He kept her at the small council. He made the whole realm swear to her. He was clear on his stance of her being the heir. He dragged himself to the throne room to defend her against bastard accusations. He never brought Aegon to the small council
Is Cole’s name Christopher in the books? Seems like the guy on here is so obsessed with calling him Chris or Christopher 😂
Ser Criston Cole is his name. Not sure why he keeps calling Christopher, it's a little annoying imo
@@sorakairi6 crazy annoying 😂
It kinda feel intentional though, maybe he just thinks it’s funny lol
You think Vaegon and Saera wrote to each other during the Dance about how dumb it was?
1:14:00 Two Chemical Brothers songs right there! 😂😂
Is ep 3 out now?
Yes
not a book reader- wondering what is the right name for the now Hand of the King? Ive heard- Christopher, Cristen, Crispen, so what is it really? Thanks in advance.
G O T !!!!!
Where is Nettles??
They haven’t went in depth on the dragon seeds yet so there’s is still hope!
@@SLVNTGOONZ hopefully 🤞
Yes i want to see Cinderella and Xena of Driftmark.She had such a pivotal ark that everyone in the end had amnesia and forget that she even existed.Shame.
32:44 Major Part Reveals😌🔥 Dany’s egg
This episode was so good. People dont understand that the dance of the dragons have silently reached its stage 2 in this episode.
rhaenyra confronting alicent and getting to know what alicent's true colors , and harrenhal scenes are truly fantastic.
Rhaenyra going to King's Landing to see Alicent was a bit silly and very dangerous... I was hoping for a scene with them much later on at the Red Keep, after they have both suffered heavy losses and Alicent realises how wrong she was, I think that would've been more powerful.
Dangerous, yes. Silly, I don't know about that. With her arch so far it tracks. Seems like the kind of risk her character would be bold enough to take before consciously committing to war. She is 1. A matriarchal leader who was delt the first major loss of this conflict making a last ditch attempt at averting the carnage to come for the realm she was charged to protect 2. A daughter who needs to know for certain if her father renounced her claim at the last minute, therefore making her claim void and not worth burning the realm over nor the potential anihilation of her family. It's a desperate bid for peace and closure.
"Hatfield and Mccoils" ... WHO ARE THEY talking about? A vs in modern sport?
The Hatfields and McCoys were two American families involved in a major land dispute from the middle of the Civil War period until the 1890s (over what is today the border of West Virginia & Kentucky.) A particularly bitter feud is often listed as a battle between "Hatfields and McCoys."
@mbgal07 Thanks for the information. I live in Canada, so didn't know anything about this. ? On my head when I heard it here and in the "behind the scenes" from Ryan Condal.
Doesn't a Queen-Consort also use the style 'Your Grace'? Then it isn't as much of a claim to require people to use it. Otherwise his stylisation would be lower than that of a Queen-Consort.
I thought the same thing, but in british monarchy a queens consort is a prince, maybe in Westeros its similar and you can only be called king if you rule, not as a consort. It was never before necessary in westerosi history
@@dr_buschy That is not actually the case. I wrote basically an essay on this topic for a different comment, but I'll repeat it here:
It has not always been the case that the term Prince-Consort was used and arguably it was used only once officially (but I'll argue it was used three times). I’ll go through the examples by listing all the English and British (and one Scottish) ruling queens. These queens are: Matilda, Jane, Mary I, Elisabeth I, Mary II, Anne, Victoria, and Elizabeth II. Additionally I will count Mary, Queen of Scots, who was a claimant to the English throne and her son inherited the English throne from Elisabeth I, so may also give some insight into the practice.
The reign of the first ruling queen Matilda was disputed by her cousin Stephen of Blois and she never truly managed to rule England. She held the title of Empress Dowager and Countess of Anjou by marriage. She was often referred to as Empress, but her claimed English title was ‘Lady of the English’. It seems her husband never took the title of King or Prince-Consort, but did claim the title of Duke of Normandy (which was title of the Kings of England at the time).
Jane ruled for only 9 days and her reign is not universally accepted. She did take the title of Queen. Her husband Guildford Dudley demanded to be named King-Consort, but was refused and was only to be allowed to take the title ‘Duke of Clarence’. But her reign was over before anything could come of it.
Mary I succeeded her. She married the later King Philip II of Spain and named him her co-ruler as King of England. Him being a co-ruler was not universally accepted, so there is some dispute over whether he counts as a King-Consort or as co-ruler. An special Act of Parliament was created to make rules for this marriage. Philip would be allowed to co-rule with Mary nominally, but not truly, and if he survived his wife, but had no children by her, he would not be allowed to remain King. In my opinion Philip counts as the first King-Consort.
Elisabeth I never married, so there was no consort. Her rival to the throne was Mary, Queen of Scots. She married first King Francis II of France, secondly Henry Stuart, and thirdly James Hepburn. Francis was named King-Consort (he also became King of France shortly afterwards, but he was King-Consort first). Henry Stuart was also named King-Consort, but attempted to gain the Crown Matrimonial and to be named as co-ruler. This failed and he was murdered not that long into the marriage. The third marriage to Hepburn is strange and shouldn’t be taken into consideration as it resulted from an abduction and forced marriage and it lasted for about a month. Hepburn only took the title Duke of Orkney. Both Francis and Henry Stuart count as King-Consorts, though only of Scotland.
Mary II became Queen by usurping her father’s throne together with her cousin-husband King William III (of Orange). William III also had a claim to the throne through his mother, though this was weaker than his wife’s. Then again, Mary II and William III mostly ruled by invitation by Parliament because they were Protestant and not necessarily because of the line of succession. When Mary died William remained as sole King. William III should not count as a King-Consort.
William III was succeeded by Mary II’s sister Anne. She asked Parliament to make her husband King-Consort, but they refused. He became the first Prince-Consort effectively, as he was both a consort and already a Prince by birth as the son of King Frederick III of Denmark. His only English title was Duke of Cumberland.
Queen Victoria wanted her beloved husband Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to be named King-Consort, but was advised against it. He had become a prince when he married Victoria and was explicitly named Prince Consort after she became Queen. He thus became the second Prince-Consort, but the first official Prince-Consort.
Elizabeth II was married to Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark/Mountbatten. He was a Prince of Greece and Denmark, but the Kingdom fell in his youth, making the title obsolete. He abandoned them to become a British Peer as Duke of Edinburgh in relation to his marriage to Princess Elizabeth. He was not then made a Prince and initially remained only Consort and Duke of Edinburgh even after Elizabeth became Queen. There was a discussion on what his title ought to be and Prince Consort, as with Albert, was considered. He was however then made Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the same title that is awarded to the children of the Queen. Philip is in my opinion the third Prince-Consort (even though he held a slightly different title).
After William III it seems like the distinction between King-Consort and Prince-Consort became important. He had his own claim, though his wife’s claim does appear to have been the more important. In order to prevent another King who ruled by right of the marriage of his late wife, the title Prince-Consort appears to have become more favoured. Additionally, Prince-Consorts are not anointed alongside their Queens, while Queen-Consorts are anointed alongside a King.
In my opinion, if we count all the aforementioned consorts we have: Three King-Consorts, three Prince-Consorts, three consorts, and one King by marriage. Although arguments can be made for a different calculation. The title King-Consort was favoured in the 16th Century, King by marriage was favoured in the 17th Century, and Prince-Consort was favoured afterwards. There is no true medieval ruling queen of England and therefore no conclusion can be made which medieval title would have been favoured. But the earliest, Tudors and Stuarts, used the title King-Consort.
I would therefore argue that, if the monarchy in Westeros is primarily based on Late Medieval England, the title of King-Consort for Daemon is completely logical.
@@MCAPrince First of all thank you for the comprehensive answer, that is indeed very interesting.
Your initial remark is still the most important, because we dont know if Deamon wants to be called King-Consort, he wants to be called your grace, which is granted to a Queen-Consort and even a Queen-Dowager. I guess the surprise on Ser Simon was mostly that no one in Westeros thinks of Deamon as a ruler and no one wants to. As I said it was never a question in westerosi history, because precident ruled out a female monarch. That differs from english monarchy. Also none of those rules are properly codified in a House Law, which would have saved house Targaryen a lot of trouble in questions of succession.
@@MCAPrince I have one further question: In Westeros the house name of the royal house cannot be earned by marriage, only by inheritance (thats why Cersei is not named Baratheon, Elia Martell was never a Targaryen etc.). Is this a thing in english monarchy as well? Just out of curiosity since you seem to know a lot about it :)
@@dr_buschy I can answer your questions. Firstly, about historical female monarchs in both Westeros and our world. There are many historical female monarchs who were disputed at the time and/or removed from historical records. Examples include Pharaoh Hatshepsut, various Ptolemaic Female Pharaohs (though they often had co-rulers, but sometimes both co-rulers were women), Zenobia of the Palmyrene Empire, etc. It is possible and seems likely to me that maesters could remove these ruling queens from the historical record to conform with their patriarchal society. It is also known that women could inherit Lordships, including those that had formerly been kingdoms, like Jeyne Arryn as Lady Paramount of the Vale.
Then about the English monarchy. In its earlier for it was not that different from Westerosi law. George R.R. Martin took a lot of inspiration from Medieval England for his conflicts. It seems like the War of the Five Kings’ primary inspiration is the Wars of the Roses of Late Medieval England, which ended with the Tudor Dynasty and the first accepted ruling Queens (Mary I, Elisabeth I, and arguably Jane). It seems like the Dance of the Dragons is primarily inspired by ‘the Anarchy’. This is the conflict of Empress Mathilda and her cousin Stephen. Mathilda was the daughter of the final King of the House of Normandy King Henry I, while Stephen was the son of Adela of Normandy, a daughter of William the Conqueror. Both claimed the throne by right through a woman. The question was thus not, whether one could inherit through a female line, but rather if the woman herself could inherit. In House Targaryen this is better personified in the books during the Great Council of 131 AC. The conflict was not primarily between the Princess Rhaenys and Prince Viserys, but rather between Laenor and Prince Viserys. Laenor was favoured above Rhaenys because he was a man. He is our Stephen in this situation. However, Viserys was of the male line and was thus given precedent. (Or he was just liked better for other reasons, like being older than Laenor).
Interestingly Matilda’s son removed Stephen and became King Herny II, the first of the House of Plantagenet. Arguably the argument that a daughter comes before a male cousin seems thusly to have won out, as the Plantagenet claim rests on it. This is part of the problem in the Wars of the Roses, where female descent becomes very important in the claim of House York.
My point with this analysis is thus: There as no law in England regarding female inheritance at the time of Matilda, and it was really formulated until much later. As you can see by my previous analysis, even when it was codified laws were often changed and circumstances with female rulers weren’t really standardized until the Early Modern Period. Even then the rules for consorts (the cases of Prince Albert and Prince Philip) were not uniform. So the situation in medieval and late medieval England does seem to be very analogous to me to the situation in Westeros during the Dance of the Dragons.
Specifically about the style ‘Your Grace’. Historically this was used by English monarchs until Henry VIII, who heard Emperor Charles V changed to ‘Your Majesty’ and didn’t want to be left behind. (King Francis I of France did the same). It was also used for their consorts. For the King-Consorts I mentioned (Philip II of Spain, Francis I of France, and Henry Stuart), they all used ‘Your Majesty’ if I recall correctly. They are from the Tudor Period, but that is as close as we can get to analogous. Therefore I do think the style of Your Grace would extend to a King-Consort in earlier periods and if taken as analogous to Westeros, I do think it would be applied there.
I think the showrunners is to make both the characters and the viewers doubt whether Daemon attempts to become King in his own name, King by right of marriage to Rhaenyra, King and Co-Ruler to Rhaenyra, or just King-Consort. The fact that most people think the Consort of a Queen is a Prince-Consort awakens that thought even more in the viewer.
Then about the houses and surnames. We don’t truly have a lawbook of Westeros and I’m not even sure if it would be included in one if we did. There are obviously laws regarding surnames in Westeros, though most of these seem to have to do with bastardy. There are often examples of wives being referred to by their husband’s name. Catelyn Tully as Catelyn Stark for example. This does not seem to be the case with the monarchs. I think this has primarily to do with stylisation.
Catelyn Tully’s stylisation would be Lady Tully, or Lady Stark, or Lady Catelyn Tully/Stark. Quite often, in formal occasions they use only surnames. Lady Stark would thus refer to Catelyn Tully in her position as wife to Lord Stark of Winterfell. Lady Tully would have been her mother Winisia Whent during her marriage to Lord Hoster Tully. Before her marriage Catelyn would have been referred to as Lady Catelyn Tully, to denote she wasn’t the ruling Lady of Riverrun, nor the consort of the ruling Lord of Riverrun.
This is not the case with monarchs. They mostly go by title + first name + regnal number. For example King Aegon II, King Jaehaerys I, etc. Nobody speaks of King Targaryen. The consort would thus be stylized the same, but without the regnal number. When announced, the houses do get mentioned but as such: Robert of the House Baratheon, the First of His name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.
When the Queen would also be announced, the House of her Birth is likely to be used. This is also to honour the family that married into the Crown. However, this does not necessarily mean she has no legal right to her husband’s name. I do think that the conversation between King Viserys I and Lord Corlys Velaryon in season 1 may shed some light on this further. When they discuss the names of Laenor and Rhaenyra’s potential children they agree they take their father’s name, but as rulers they would take the name Targaryen. Even though Rhaenyra is to be the Queen Regnant, Laenor is not taking the name Targaryen. However, Rhaenyra is definitely not taking the name Velaryon either, at least not when she is Queen. I think this primarily shows that these rules are not set and can be changed basically by command of the King.
I will explain the English analogy and conclude with what this could say about Westeros.
In English history the Houses are not as important as they are in ASOIAF. At least not in the Medieval Period. Houses dit provide status of course, as they would denote ancient lineage and legitimacy, but were not that important otherwise. Many ‘houses’ are also anachronistic, and invented by historians. It was more about lines of succession and establishing legitimacy through lineage of a founder or legendary figure rather than House aggrandizement. This changed in later periods.
The idea of joining a consort’s house is therefore also as important in the Medieval Period. This changed in modern times. When the Houses became more important. In England I think the first time Houses became important was the Wars of the Roses when there were longtime loyalists to Lancastrian and Yorkist lines of claimants (though both were arguably of the House Plantagenet). In the modern period Royal Houses became a different kind of propaganda tool. The House of Windsor exists because they didn’t want a German association, and the in the Netherlands the House of Orange-Nassau is also used through the female line to maintain a historical connection. In a 1917 proclamation it was declared that the male-line British descendants of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert would carry the name of the House of Windsor, but not the women who married into other families, they take their husband’s name. So these women do join their husband’s house. (This was later changed to maintain the House of Windsor in the case of a Queen Regnant and her descendants).
The women of nobility did often take their husbands names and titles and were referred to as such, as can also be seen in the 1917 Proclamation. So this is analogous to the situation with Catelyn Tully. When announced however, names are not used for consorts in the United Kingdom. It is merely ‘Her Majesty the Queen’ for Queen Camilla. The ruler does use first name, but not a surname: King Charles III is:
The Most High, Most Mighty and Most Excellent Monarch, our Sovereign Lord, Charles III, now, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, and Sovereign of the Most Noble Order of the Garter.
There is no mention of the royal house there either. I think we can conclude that the situation with English monarchical houses is too different from the Westerosi ones to make a full conclusion whether houses of consorts can be used. I think it is legal for Westerosi consorts to use their husbands name, but it is not the custom.
Rhaenyra sneaking in as a Septa is really bad writing and an omen of things to come. It was silly because it is too dangerous, too late and Alicent could have captured her to end the war. Making Rhaenyra, Alicent and Myssaria all stupid characters. Rhaenyra has also become a 1 dimensional goodie two shoes character, she is a medieval monarch with dragons for fuck sake...
Dany’s eggs were from Dreamfrye
It's never stated that. Just assumed.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 yes it is
@@Red1Green2Blue3 Dreamfyre looks like Drogon
@@andreasmith5396 Please state the book and page number where it is stated that Danny's eggs are from Dreamfyre. Clearly you've never read the books.
I thought Dany's eggs came from the Shadowlands of Asshai
I'm sorry, you're praising Rhaenys but she's giving really bad advice to Rhaenyra. Go to Alicent to beg for peace? To what end. Alicent has no power and even if she did, it's already late. Plus those crown land castle getting attacked by Cole, they are urging Rhaenyra to defend their lands but she is refusing to defend an ally.
The show lost all credibility at that moment for me. It's like a scene right out of the A-Team. Made zero sense.
I don't understand why y'all like Rhaenys so much. She is so inconsistent. Her advising peace with Alicent? Last season she mocked her for toiling in service of men, aka she has no power! But she thinks now she can broker a peace with Rhaenyra??
And you wanting Rhaenyra to offer Alicent something ? When she offered a betrothal between Jace and Helaena Alicent laughed in her face! This meeting was pointless, or more for Rhaenyra to see if there is anything to gain from talking to Alicent. She got closure and she knows now there is no going back
If you're a princess or noble woman who marries a king, you become queen. If you're a prince who marries a queen, you stay a prince. Queen Elizabeth & Prince Philip for example. He did not become king in title or station. She was the head of state as far as the royal family goes. He remained Prince Consort. A queen would lose all her authority as head of state if the man she married became king. So Daemon is Prince Consort, not King Consort. He was never a king even if he thinks he is one or deserves to be. That was why Strong balked at "your grace."
I mean if Director is so biased for Team Black then what's the point of creating such a good story. When i first read this story back in 2020 i always thought yrr both sides are so horrible but still so intresting.
When i get to know hbo is creating this show i thought they create a story where is difficult to root for any sides but these biased directors just taking the beauty of this show away by making team black saint which they definately not.
Bracken > Blackwood
Blackwood 2 - Bracken 0
did daemon see his dead wife?
That was young Rhaenyra
First he saw young Rhaenyra, then he saw Alys Rivers. I think the latter was actually standing there, instead of being a vision.
I'm pretty sure the dark-haired woman was real, and was the same one that cast a dark look at him when she entered the hall after Daemon arrived.
At first, I thought it would be Laena too
The last 10 minutes of episode 3 were dumb. It's like the show builds credibility for several scenes and then adds one that makes zero sense and makes the characters look unserious. It's like the Succession kids taking over WaystarRoyco Game Of Thrones edition. The scenario was 100% contrived and unrealistic.
Apologies but as a book fanatic I feel Jason doesn’t know the content well enough… even his observations of the series are not fully accurate. Had to skip ahead.
Please, PLEASE, stop with the ridiculous giggling and cackling on this otherwise interesting podcast!
This felt like a filler episode. Maybe it's just me
Nope, I had a similar feeling. I felt like this episode was a lot of little details needed to set up all the fun stuff coming. Last week's episode was so amazing! This week's was fine, but not the best.
What a trash podcast. Why wouldn’t HBO have gotten one of the many established ASOIAF podcasters or TH-camrs to do this rather than a host who doesn’t even know the name of a main character. It’s almost like it isn’t an attempt to add actual substance to the show, but rather a failed attempt at virtue signaling by HBO.
It's a joke. Criston doesn't deserve to be called by his actual name.
@@treecat125 Its a joke once... if they keep doing it despite commenters asking them not to. Its not really funny anymore. This podcast is impossible to listen to anyway. Although I do try.
Lol.... cry harder
@@Rash23215 Lol, glaze harder 🤡. I can’t imagine having such bad taste in media that I’d like this cringe ass podcast.
@@Rash23215 Lol, glaze harder. I couldn’t imagine having such bad taste in media that I’d be defending such a cringe podcast. I guess we know who their target audience is 🤡🤡🤡
mostof this episode was so… pointless. rhaenys’ philosophizing, rhaenyra going to see alicent….i mean, what did she hope she would achieve? that alicent would dethrone her son or what? that only supposing she would even have the power to do that. it was so STUPID. had rhaenyra been swifter, like daemon said from the very beginning, the whole thing might lean more into rhaenyra’s favour. rash is one thing, swift is another. also, why would alicent take out her ”breast handkerchief” in a public place to give to cole, of all men?
Meeting was suppose to give closure to Rhaenyra - she now knows Viserys wanted HER to be heir, and that Alicent is unswayed, so Rhaenyra now gonna fully commits to her cause and go to war.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 you get it.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 she did not risk her life and her whole enterprise for closure. closure is sthg that happened accidentally. she went there to reason with alicent as if she would take her son off the throne or even have the power to do so. and rhaenys saying how otto hightower would never have done this, when otto hightower conspired for ages while viserys was still alive to organize aegon’s succession, who had rhaenyra’s last loyal lords killed or imprisoned and who had to be convinced to give rhaenyra a chance to surrender without punishment. otto, poor dear, the very man who started the machinations for the war, which is all about killing the enemy, would never have sent an assassin after rhaenyra. also rhaenys was all mumbling about how no one will know when the war will have started, mentioning recent events, but comfortably forgetting how viserys did nothing to bolster his daughter’s power and number of allegiant lords, how viserys married alicent of all people, how the war will be catastrophic etc, when at this point there is no way but forward. and it has been like this for a good while, probably from the moment they crowned aegon in front of the masses. let’s hope that now she has the much awaited closure she’ll actually act in the direction of sthg she decided for a long time ago.
in any case, i’m sick of fillers and dialogues of simulated wisdom from characters who are actually supposed to be wise or at least quasi-intelligent, but still say or do the dumbest shit. hope the writers have done better with the following episodes.
@@monicad99 Viserys couldn't predict everything. There was no opposition towarsd Rhaenyra during his reign and Alicent was on good terms with his daughter when he married her. People are not almighty beings.
'rhaenys saying how otto hightower would never have done this, when otto hightower conspired for ages while viserys was still alive to organize aegon’s succession' - Rhaenys doesn't know this. She was sitting locked up in room. Also, Otto was going to sent many knights to Dragonstone, not only one like Aegon did.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 he could predict that marrying the very young and probably fertile daughter of his conniving hand would end up badly. and that marrying either the velaryon girl or someone else, with less power and more maleability would be a better option. by the time laena would have been of an appropiate age for consumation, viserys would have probably been incapable of doing it, so it would have kept the coast clear for the succession. adversely, once he decided for a young wife and started to see that people were rallying for their son, he should have started doing something. give rhaenyra lands, armies, i don’t know, but something to make her more powerful, with more people only because of that behind her. he just let things lie and grow bigger and bigger till they were out of anyone’s control and started rolling over to the children, who once adults, they did what they learned in their childhoods and teenage years: to be one another’s enemy.
in any case, the point was, not so much how viserys is guilty, but how rhaenys was driving the discourse: “oh, look, rhaenyra, you made the same mistake that happened to alicent, so you know, wallow around doing nothing, pretending to be wise and cautious,” when, at this point in time there is NO conciliatory stance to be taken. unless rhaenyra chooses to give up her claim(which clearly she doesn’t want to), there is no way but the one of war.
and frankly, i don’t know how sending many knights is better than sending one: one, a twin to an allegiant knight, has stealth, many at once do not, and if they’re found out they can be easily burned by the dragons. so, ….
also, who does rhaenys think was with the idea of locking her up? or in any case, even if it wouldn’t have been his idea, he would have known about it and obviously approved of it, as he didn’t order for someone to come to let her go. and from the swiftness of the coronation, one should deduce that it was pretty much planned ahead for while.
rhaenys had one good moment, when she defended rhaenyra in front of that council of idiots(who probably want her away for their own share power grasping). and maybe the one with corlys.
real talk.. weve seen more male nudity than female ones... its getting biasedly gay. come on HOTD. give us some fan service.
Can't wait to see Rhaenys slaughtered in episode 4!! #TEAMGREEN #ALLHAILTHEKING #KINGAEGON