Testing the ADS driveline - I don't need a jeep anymore...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, I put the new AllDriveSubaroo driveline to the test, and compare it with my old standard transmission.
For a quick run-through of the gearbox, it features:
- 4.44 Final Drive Swap
- 1.47 Low Range Gearing
- Torq Master Industries r160 Locker (5 bolt)
- ADS 20kg Centre Diff
- Cusco Type-RS 1.5way Front LSD
- Lengthened 5th gear for better highway drivability
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Very very impressive...the improvement is striking. It was great to see the before/after on the same obstacles. Looking forward to seeing where this takes you!
There will definitely be more videos reviewing the driveline and torq locker. I’m really looking forward to pushing the limits of my forester and getting myself into some tricky situations haha
I was gonna share this video with you...but you are already here 😂
@@Mr.Ramirez95 Haha...Subie channels are few and far between, you'll probably find me following most of them. :-) I'm a big fan of Ignition Offroad!
Impressive difference and great comparison! 👍
Very inspiring mate. I wasn't sure about modifying my forester , but now I'm :) cheers
Wow now it’s even more capable than before……awesome 👍
Impressive ! I love that now, you can crawl over obstacle, playing with the stalling line.
So much better. I think the low range is probably the most important part. I would much rather have the capability to safely crawl obstacles than lock the diffs
Absolutely beautiful! I'd love to see this vs a couple of newer Foresters with traction control / X-mode etc. I know yours would win hands down but would be good to see.
That is awesome! Much love from Mtnroo Norcal 🤘
Great video, I've been waiting for this ever since your Gearbox install video. I'm getting this done sometime next year!!
It’s really changed what I can do with the car! Having better low range so I can crawl is definitely one of my favourite upgrades. More videos and reviews to come...
@@ignitionoffroad5028 With the new gearing what RPM are you at when travelling at 60km/h in 4th gear? You kept 1 to 4 standard but with 4.44 diffs and a taller 5th right?
Neil B haven’t really tested 4th at 60km/h. I know that I sit at 2.5k at 100 in 5th and 2.7k at 110km/h. Will get back to you after more testing
Great video! That thing is a beast! That oil pan is toast now lol
Thanks man! Just picked up a new oil pan so I can get back on the trails soon.
My wallet just dialled 000...
AMAZING VIDEO
Super sweet suby. Just goes.to show that you don't need to spend 100k on a landcruiser to have off road fun.
I think thats the entire mindset behind off roading Subarus. Cheep fun offroad. Yeah others will do a better job offroad, but as a gateway to off roading, they are fantastic cars!
Would like it again if I could. 👍very good info.
That is awesome!
I would love to do something like this to my 2011 outback
jeff Sessige right I love my loaded 11 Outback
Hi there very nice video . Keep uploading The great stuff . Can I ask you where did you get the custom gear box installed and made ?
AllDriveSubaroo in Sydney NSW.
nice to see that locker in test and low gears. but even better to test it against normal forester on same tracks, not just your before and after but like maybe locker on auto gearbox vs locker on your low gear .
scal man would be good to compare. I don’t really have a local crew down my way so it’s hard to find other foresters to compare with
that was . sick. good job. ++++++
You're unstoppable now Mitre (UK way of spelling your name, apologies)
next week you open the bonnet to show us a lovely red manifold lol.
Wouldn’t that be nice! Maybe one day...
Im curious what would have been better the gearbox or to weld the rear or ad a locker to the front cus both of the dif mods would make it super capable if im not mistaken
Amazing
Nice one. Could you plz provide the type of additional lights which you have mounted on your front bumper/bull bar? Thanks.
They are 7” LED spotlights from Adventure Kings
Sick 🤙
got me at custom off road gearbox... let the journey into the wabbithole begin!
Awesome! 🤘
Awesome
Duuude that thing is sooo capable now compared to it's prior state. For the most part it still handled most of those situations before the ADS driveline. But now everything is pretty smooth and controlled. It is pretty obvious u do not need momentum anymore with the new ADS driveline.
Now.... How to get it into my car from Australia 😂 wanna send me parts?
ADS has a shop they work with in the US. They are importing dual range gearboxes from Australia. Can’t remember the name, but email ADS and they will send you in the right direction
Hit up Zach at ZF Design in Colorado - he's the US distributor for ADS :)
Nice man, night and day difference.
I just have to say, the best part of this video was a Forester owner apologizing about wind noise🤣
Nice. Weren't tempted to go with the 1.6 low gearing? I hear ADS manufactures one if I'm not mistaken
kiwizookoffroad the ADS 1.6 is still in prototype phase. I’ve been told I will be one of the first to get it once it’s out so I’ll definitely get it when I can
Wow that is an impressively stark difference! Does it affect around town or highway driving significantly?
#SaveTheManuals high way driving is the same, but town driving has definitely been effected. The torq locker in the rear is very noisy and a bit uncomfortable for tight corners while town driving
im experimenting with adding different types of silicon viscous fluid used in rc cars for the rear and centre differential. This is what ADS does to achieve their different kg ratings for their viscous subaru diffs. So far we've had success and you can achieve a much better viscous rear diff that provides limited slip but much quieter.
interested to know, how does the clutch hold up ? seems to be a of of riding the clutch being that that the low range isnt as low as your typical 4wd
The clutch does get a bit more of a workout but it’s mainly when first approaching an obstacle at low speed. More low would definitely help.
Do ADS just the the lockers. So not needing a gearbox replacement? This would be for my Liberty. Also nice work on the rig. Climbs up everything with the new driveline.
As far as I know ADS is not a retailer for Torq Master Industries, however they can certainly install the locker for you and build a driveline however you like.
Oh man that looks great! Really capable.
Do you think it will save the axles some too? Since the shock load won't happen as much.
Spinning in the air then slamming on the ground.
I saw you didn't have the skid plate on and thought it was risky.
Excuse for upgraded oil capacity? (:
I'm speaking for all three of us here when i say that we feel attacked by the axle comment.
@@TylerScranton Should have bought a Jeep.
Definitely hope I’m putting less stress on the axles with this setup. The front still spins with the LSD but as you seen no where near as much as it use to. Very risky without the sump guard. Unfortunately the old one didn’t fit properly anymore so I didn’t run it and payed the price...
Wow i would put a skid down there fast
My EU Spec SG has an OEM rear VLSD. It is easier for me to modify my rear diff (and center) to 20kgf, than finding an open rear diff and install a Torqlocker. What's your opinion on this? I do not do extreme rock crawling. Do you think this is a good mod, or I have to go for the TorqLocker?
The Torq locker works amazing offroad, but if you do mostly daily driving I wouldn't recommend it. Its loud and clunky and you have to adjust your driving style to suit the locker. Does your forester have a dual range? If so, upgrading your low range is one of the best modifications you can do. Gives you a lot more control offroad and you'll be less likely to break traction. Plus a low range gear set is one of the cheaper components when upgrading the gearbox.
how much to upgrade all this for Forester ??? Thanks mate and awesome video - keep up the good work.
sap Sap depends how many parts you can source yourself but between $5-$10K for a solid offroad box like mine. My most expensive component was the front LSD which came in around $2K when you include the special oil the LSD uses. The best modification is the low range upgrade in my opinion. For less than $1k a low range upgrade gives you so much more control offroad
@@ignitionoffroad5028 thanks mate for the response..
I may be biased because I had a CJ5 on 33s and 35s a 98 TJ on 33s a suburban on 37 Hummer tires and rims Ford ranger on 31s Grand Cherokee on 31s and a WJ Grand Cherokee on 32s
Hey mate I got a 99 model I want the easiest lift kit to install what could you recommend? I heard you busted heaps of cv’s with the front 2.5 lift
Lachlan Frappell I mostly busted cv’s because I can cheap replacement parts. Since sticking to OEM I’ve had no problems. Lift wise I recommend a 2” front 2.5” rear lift kit
Super cool !
What's your engine ?🤔
2.5L natural aspirated boxer engine
How do you find the gearbox and .44 final drive for general driving - guess 1st would be quite low - what is the rest of the spread like around town? You mentioned you got the highest possible 5th - guess a WRX .738 - was there any significant increase in revs on the highway in 5th with the lower final drive, or just a couple of hundred more? And how far is 5th away from 4th now?
With the bigger wheels I run 1-4th with the 4.44 is about the same as the factory 4.11 setup and standard wheels. Fifth gear is a fair stretch off 4th but it works well on the freeway. I sit at about 2800 rpm at 110km/h
@@ignitionoffroad5028 Thanks - will have to see how my ADS drivetrain revs on standard wheels. Have an ADS gearbox being built at the moment for an SH - not as radical as yours - the lower low range, the taller 5th, Torsen front diff, 20kg coupling, basic LSD rear, and .44 final drive. Idea is better traction climbing on loose surfaces and better descent control than stock. Frankly, I could not find a car I consider more fit for all-round purpose than my 2009 X, and given the fundamental all cars are ultimately worthless, decided to mod the one I own to suit my use case. That's broken fire trails in all weathers and steep stuff with slippery granite sand like Bald Hill in Abercrombie River NP, which I can't climb with the standard drivetrain. Had a classic case of the slips in the pine forest at Lowes Mount on the weekend - as soon as I lost grip on one wheel, I could not move an inch, even though the car was happy to navigate that loop in the opposite direction. Really like the way your first build just chugged up hills at moderate revs with no need to charge a slope, something I really hate to do. Undecided about suspension mods. If there's a way around a marginal obstacle I'll usually take it.
@@johnadams4559 sounds like your almost getting the same gearbox as me. It’s definitely been a good thing for the car and as you said there are few cars as versatile as the forester. I can rally around in the XT, and then pull a leaver and crawl up steep climbs with ease. It’s truly an amazing vehicle!
Whens the torq locker going in? i want to see the difference after that...
Not A Juan the locker is already installed. Wouldn’t have climbed out of some of those obstacles without it. I had to install it with the new gearbox because I did the 4.44 swap. Will be filming more videos in future with more details on the locker
Soooo I own a 1999 Jeep XJ (4AT) and 2004 Forester 2.5X (5MT)...this is cool as hell, but never getting rid of the Jeep!
Its very interesting that Subaru put a clutch pack in the 4eat trans making it much better for traction off road, I never had only one wheel spinning with stock trans only diagonal spin.
Very nice setup cheers
You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, that you didn’t stop to think if you should.
Hope you have lots of money saved for diffs and CVs
That is always the mindset for most great things ;)
Sometimes its not about what makes sense, but what makes you happy. Yes the CV's cop a beating and gives me a lot of work in repairs haha
Hey. I have a question. How does the car behave on the road, I mean on asphalt? Would you recommend a 12kg or 20kg ADS centre differential. Thanks.
With a centre diff, rear locker and front LSD it is terrible on road. Pretty much fully locked constantly. I’m pretty happy with the 20kg centre. Can’t comment about the 12kg as I don’t have one.
If I was to do this again I would ditch the front lsd as I do more touring then off-roading now and like a little better handling on road.
@@ignitionoffroad5028 Thanks for your answer. I'm just thinking about a new center differential and maybe an LSD rear differential. Because my center differential is dead.
I'm just not sure about the center one versus the OEM 4kg. How much does the centre differential close? Do you think the new 20kg/12kg differential and open or LSD rear is a good choice for normal road driving. And the improvement in winter conditions?
@@lukas2618 a centre diff and rear LSD upgrade will make a difference to your road driving and will definitely improve traction in slippery conditions
This is the dual range manual box right? My auto box sf Forester has never really had any traction issues with terrain like that, however the lack of power and low range is it's real Achilles heel, especially as high altitudes. I really wish Subaru had made a good dual range auto transmission.
Nick Hudec dual range auto would be killer. Would much rather a good auto than manual for off-roading
Its because auto Subaru's have clutch pack center diff, so the trans can basically lock 50:50 on demand, also noticed after manuall swap much less drivtrain loss climbing steep hills with the auto had to step on it
Do they make low range gear boxes that are compatible with modern subarus? I think a subaru ascent with low range gearing would be pretty bad ass!
Michael Miller as far as I know the dual range gearboxes only bolt onto ej engines so I don’t think that has been done for the newer Subaru’s
@@ignitionoffroad5028 Not true, I've got an ADS dual-range gearbox bolted to my Subaru XV's FB20 gasoline/petrol engine.
@@AWDfreak Awesome! Great to hear someone has done it!
This seems to be an awesome gearbox... but how is it for on road driving?
The rpm are great at all road speeds but with the LSD’s you have to let it roll around corners. If you put your foot down mid corner the car wants to strait line which isn’t great. That’s where selectable lockers are much needed. Just a change in driver approach and it’s pretty easy to drive just about anywhere
Well the first modification should have been some skid plates for the undercarriage so you wouldn't damage your oil pan
Yes, skid plates are super important. Unfortunately the previous one I had didn’t fit anymore after I went to a 4” lift so this was the short period where I had no skid plate and paid the price…
What $$$ are we looking at just for the gearbox upgrade you did
I'll break it down a bit but 20kg centre is roughly $1500, front LSD $1800, SF Low range (new) $800, 4.44 pinion gear $100? Then if you get a shop to do it your looking at labour costs as well. These are very rough estimates so don't quote me on it. I scored my gearbox that already had the SF low range and 20kg centre fitted for $900 used which saved me a lot of money. In my experience the low range made the biggest difference and would be the first thing I would look at upgrading.
yo is that a 2" hitch? if so, where did u get it??
Sure is. Honestly I think I just got it off eBay if I remember correctly. I have a video on it here: th-cam.com/video/7Fw9jcHO-ws/w-d-xo.html
Is that the stock exhaust? If not, what's the setup?
The exhaust was tucked up for clearance due to the 4” lift. So custom axle back that’s still the standard 2” pipe with an aftermarket muffler that is still pretty quiet due to not wanting droning on long trips. Not sure what brand muffler they put on.
5:30, surely time for a dry sump? XD
Adrian F would be so cool for clearance but for the price... Holy heck are they expensive!
@@ignitionoffroad5028 ah but so good though. Absolutely awesome tech too
Torq locker installed yet ?
Russ Penman yep, some of these examples wouldn’t have been doable without it
How much do all of the upgrades cost? When did you fit a diesel to it?
No diesel haha. The driveline upgrades probably cost me $6-7K
Mate, love your work and glad you could see my bad sense of humour! Thanks also for the round cost figure, as I love my 06 forester but no too sure the handbrake will still love me if I spent that much in Suby?
I wouldn’t recommend it to the average person. It was purely done for to be a unique car, and if your pushing your forester as hard as I do I recommend getting a different car
Yep, at best it’ll be a 2in lift and snorkel
What’s your suspension setup? I have a 01 s
Isaac Castillo In this video the setup was a 4” front, 4.5” rear subieliftoz monster lift kit, with 2” subframe spacers and king springs heavy duty springs in the rear
how did the lift affect the fuel economy?
I’ve never been concerned about fuel economy but I don’t think it would change much. The bigger/heavier tyres would have a bigger impact.
Will this swap work on a SH diesel?
I have not seen it done, but I believe it should be a direct bolt on. At least the trans to the engine. You might need a different length driveshaft. Give AllDriveSubaroo a call and see what they say
He's driving on the wrong side, no wonder he was having a hard time 😂jk
Is that a custom Bumper?
Nope. You can buy them like that from Subaxtreme. They are even airbag compliant!
Did you delete the struts?
Suspension struts? Nope. Just standard struts with a 4” spacer on top.
Cost?
Do you really ford rivers with that snorkel?
Victor Johnson sure do! Check out my snorkel install video for some river crossing action!
You’ve got an 2008-2010 hairstyle
Lol, I am definitely not a man of fashion
So I guess an old stock Jeep with Quadra Drive 2 wasn't what you were looking for?
Maybe he wanted to get over 20mpg still...
@@lexusvip4003
Well he still has an inferior off road car, better than it was but still not as good as a car that is already built for this sort of thing.......an old WJ would do all this for half the cost he has spent.
As for the mpg thing, you do get we are talking about off roading, not about a car for taking the kids to school or the wife shopping?
That said, a WJ, WK, WK2, ZJ etc would all do well in both worlds......more room in the back for the kids and shopping and more power for the off roading thing.
I kinda get that your a 2lt. man and never needing to tow much more than a small trailer, if mpg is such a worry for you, you could always buy a bike........
@@crazyt1ger08 Some people aren't trying to tackle the Rubicon Trail though. The Forester is a much lighter, much more efficient vehicle and some people like having the ability to go off the paved road for a minute, to get around roadblocks, drive through mud or sand, move in Snow etc. A wrangler, not a grand cherokee, which weighs even more, from 2003 with the inline 6 gets around 250 miles on a full tank and I've checked all the forums and asked friends with Wrangler and they all agree on that. Some much worse, some slightly better. A Forester, with a gas tank that is almost 4 gallons smaller, you get 350 miles per tank roughly. Smaller tank, smaller vehicle, further range on less gas. For somebody who wants a decent, slightly capable, efficient daily driver the Subaru makes perfect since. If you've ever been to those off-roading meet ups, half of those guys trailer their Jeep there and run 30' or bigger tires, manual transmissions, lockers, 4+ inch lifts and a thousand other things. I just want a road legal, slightly capable vehicle that I can give my girl the keys to, if need be, and she can still drive it comfortably.
Subarus have made it to some places a person would never think they could go. When it comes to driving off-road, a lot of it comes down to the driver anyway. I've seen people with 60k rigs get stuck in the first mud pit before, I've seen people with $600 stock jeeps from the 90's leading the pack also! I'm not denying that the Jeep is a MUCH more capable off roading machine. Especially from the factory... I'm just saying, for the Family man who wants to go off the paved roads sometimes and doesn't want to buy two vehicles, one for the highway and one for the elements, a Subaru is a great compromise. I love this guy's Forester build, and I would gladly take it out on the trails for a good time with the fellas! It's fun being different!
@@lexusvip4003
Hmm......you've made most of my point for me.
"Some people aren't trying to tackle the Rubicon Trail", you said but this gentleman has built a Subaru just for that, lots of dollars to do the same thing as a Grand Cherokee Limited with Quadra Drive 1 or 2.
Yes I have done my fair share of off roading, here is just one of the tracks we do over here.....
th-cam.com/video/wXIhh1PH1nY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Bruceanderson
Sure your Subi would be able to do some of it then other parts I doubt it unless you do a build like this guy.
I for one have never seen anyone bring their 4x4 in on a trailer, all these guys would be using their every day drive as I do.......must be an American thing.
I have a WH, you'd know it as a WK in the US, standard it comes with Eaton E-lockers on the front, back and has a centre lock.
I've got a OME 2" lift and a ARB bull bar with a winch and I can do anything any of the others can do unless they have a 8"+ lift (which is illegal here anyway).
My point is a cheap 2nd hand older Jeep GC with QD as standard will do a track like above whereas the thousands this guy has spent on his Subi would still have trouble with much of it.
I wonder how many years you'd have to own the Subi before you'd be in front with the cost of fuel.......perhaps you can see my point a little better now?
I see him giving lots of power with the wheel off the ground and when it comes down I'm supplied it surprised his CV hasn't exploded yet
Not a jeep but still cool.
А что у тебя с редуктором задним, почему звон, стук??? Видео супер 👍
Good that someone bothers record this, but mate, you have so much to learn how to drive offroad!
Georgi Kovachev that’s the first time anyone has ever said that to me but yes, there’s always room for improvement in driving skills. What did you pick up on?
The tires all the time
Lockers
Definitely needs lower gears can't exactly finesse drive them without the low range
It's tough to finesse a vehicle with no low range and he's definitely not treading litely by spinning
And I'm not sure the standard is the right choice for four wheeling a Subaru
There’s something wrong with your stock driveline. The stock forester driveline should not spin like that
Diesel?
ADS sales must be good.... they can't be bothered replying to my inquiry via their multiple email options. I'm not in a position to ring them (due to work hours). I'd seriously consider their gearbox but am less than impressed with their customer responses...
Thats unfortunate that you haven't had a response, however the offroad marketing is done by a single guy who also works on vehicles in the shop so he has a lot on his plate. Hopefully you get a reply soon.
@@ignitionoffroad5028 Hahaha - he must be very busy then - I've been trying to get an answer for 2.5 months....
That is fucking ridiculous. Goodbye, money.
What's that front bumper?
Subaxtreme front bumper
@@ignitionoffroad5028 Thanks, dude. Do you know of any sane way to get them to America? Do they do business with any American shops? Are there any other companies making similar stuff?
Subaxtreme ship to the USA but it’s pretty expensive. Other than that look for a local fabricator and they might be able to sort something out for you.
I also own a 02 Forester but the way he's trying to conquer those trails it's not a Jeep
Awesome video man! that offroading looks fun! I dropped a like and I also subscribed. Could you give our channel a look when you get a moment? We do crazy and funny stunts with dirt bikes, fireworks and cars! In our last video we found an abandoned jeep in the woods! Again sick video man. looking forward to see more!
Congratulations. For the price of a whole jeep, you bought a gearbox...
Daniel Beard have you seen the prices of jeeps in Australia? It’s not just their running costs that are expensive...
@@ignitionoffroad5028 I am Australian. Used Jeeps are extremely cheap. Parts for older Jeeps are extremely cheap. Same goes for Mitsubishi. Parts for Nissans isn't too bad.
Parts for Subaru are bloody expensive. I know. I owned one.
There is no amount of bullshit you can say that makes a forester a serious off-road vehicle.
But, the challenge and fun you are having trying to make it a serious off roader can be seen a mile away.
Just don't fall in the trap of trying to compare it to real off roaders. It is not.
However, in the small SUV category, I doubt anyone will find anything more capable.
Looks mean as hell with the lift and tires too.
Daniel Beard thanks man, I’m definitely aware of the difference between my forester and a proper 4wd and the title is really just me being a bit cheeky. The forester is just something unique and that’s about the only thing that keeps me going with it. I disagree that Subaru parts are expensive, especially as you can find parts at any wrecker but each to their own
That's a lot of money spent on a vehicle that still can't outperform a jeep and to top it off the jeep is now cheaper than your built Subaru. Nice rig though.
Oscar Barberena 😂😂😂
Yeah, the 2nd hand market here in Australia is flooded with 10 yearold Jeeps real cheap. Cheaper than Subaru. I wonder why.... 😂
@@garyking508 Jeep only performs when it's heavily customized, !! There's a vehicle made by the Soviets that is a true 4x4 the UAZ and with any modifications is much capable than a Jeep
@@Drskopf in Australia jeep are riddled with chronic issues and sales have plummeted. Think they will pull out of the country soon.
Jajaja hahaha kakakka 🤣🤣🤣🤔😆😆😭😭
Far from a Jeep lol
Dean Huffman just stirring you guys up with the title. I know it won’t go places a built Jeep would go, but it’s still pretty impressive for a Subaru!
Made you look, didn't he?
And obviously there's no low range
Did you watch the video?? He does have low range lol
Do this shit in 2wd in a suzuki ha
My daihatsu do it easy😏
Yes sir you dont need a jeep to drive on dirt road it would be a waste of time🤣🤣 jeep go on the tuff trails head on....
It's not only the driveline it has tooth pick axles momma's car