Should Romex Be Stapled Neatly? DOES IT MATTER??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ย. 2020
- We electricians hear about this phrase "do all electrical work in a workman like manner" from the NEC, so here's my thoughts about how it applies to the aesthetics of running Romex (NM cable).
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There are two schools of thought out there from a lot of electricians, have to think it doesn't matter what the wires look like because they're going to get covered up by sheet rock and the other half think everything that you do matters and that you should take pride in everything that you do. But I offer up a third option, take time and do things well but don't take so much time that you're wasting money.
A great electrician is somebody that can efficiently do correct work as quickly and neatly as possible. The reason people choose to hire professional companies because they can do amazing work in a very short amount of time, and because they've built a reputation on doing quality work. I'm from the school of thought that all of the work that I do needs to impress me. If it impresses me it will most likely impress other people. And the people that I want to impress or my customers, and inspectors.
When you just slap things together in a very sloppy manner it makes an inspector want to take a closer look at everything you do because they realize you are just a fast worker and you don't care about the quality of what your work looks like to others. So if you don't care about what other people think of your work you're not going to care what you think of it either. I think it's extremely important to care about the quality that you provide as an electrician.
Article 334 of the NEC talks about all of the different approved means of stapling Romax, and nowhere in there does it state it needs to be neatly stapled. The only mention of stapling is to make sure that flat cables are not stapled on edge, rather they are stacked on their flat edges on top of each other. This leaves a lot of leeway for strapping. This can cause a problem however because people tend to put far too many pieces of Romax together when running them through walls or securing them in groups. There is a rule for bundling conductors and you do have to D rate your conductors if you put too many of them together in any lengths exceeding 24 inches. Many people don't do this, and it's going against code when they do...regardless of how pretty it looks.
Doing work that looks neat is great, however, doing work that meets code is the higher priority. I do think both can be achieved, and that is what a great electrician should strive for.
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Just passed my FIRST electrical inspection yesterday. I’m a homeowner who was able to pull the permit and do the work myself. The inspector asked if I did the work, and I thought he was going to nit-pick all my work since I’m not licensed. Instead, he told me my workmanship was A+. I did everything based on how you’ve done in your videos. Thank you for showing how things SHOULD be done.
I've done my own work in my own home and for friends for years, and friends asked me to help work on a house they bought to flip this year. I've never been through an inspection before either, so I was a little worried. But the inspector was awesome; he pointed out a couple very minor things I had to correct, and he complimented me on neatness with cable runs, stapling, and the breaker panel layout. Huge relief!
thats great inspections always go good when your work looks neat no matter what
What state allows home owners without a master's to pull electrical permits?
I did my first house at 16. The inspector, who was a career electrician found a few mistakes and gave me his copy of the NEC and told me to read certain sections. He said if he told me up front I wouldn't learn anything. The work passed 2nd inspection. My biggest job was a 100 unit complex and when power was turned on there were 3 faults...all caused by nails. One nail pierced circuits from opposite units and power was on in both with the main off in either. Lucky it was the same phase. The other nail sheared a wire in 2 and half the plugs were out.
So I just finished wiring a new house and I didn't use any staples at all. I just ran the wires and left them where they hang. Everything ohmed out so we're running with it. Took 2 hours to wire the entire house. Phuck it muhahahahaha
NEC 110.12 supports your attitude, “Electrical equipment shall be installed in a neat and workmanlike manner.”
Learn this in my class first day lol
Correct my friend
Ahhh you beat me to it, lol
This is one thing I always tell my helpers or "apprentices". It is CODE to do neat work.
Other than that fact, it's a pride thing. It is just the fact that you can show your work, or know you did it right, and it makes you feel right.
lol as I just was going to quote that phrase. 👍
Any electrician that doesn't make their wires look neat probably bought their journeyman ticket up front, and I wouldn't want them back on any jobsite I work at.
Take pride in your work, people.
If you ain't gonna put your name on it .....
Always brother - 110%.
What do you mean bought their journeyman’s ticket?
Yeah that wiring is going to look really good under drywall. Conduit though is a different story,that has to look good.
Couldnt have said it better myself
The primary problem with our economy is the lack of quality in our products an services. We used to excel in the manufacture of superior products and workmanship. Thanks for being the exception and taking pride in your work, People like you will wake up others and we can prosper again
There is almost no customer service anymore
With the exception of heavy equipment and aerospace actually no. Cars were crap cool looking but crap. Harleys Iconic but crap. Really no one would be looking for Made in USA prior to the flood of chinese products.
It's modern capitalism. If it's profitable, it's good. If it's more profitable, it's better. Damn the goddam morality. Greed is moral and greed is good. You can thank Ronald Fcking Reagan who (successfully) led the crusade to make greed a virtue. It's why everything you can see and touch is made in China and it's why healthcare can bankrupt you and destroy your life. And it's why there are 3 lobbyists for every Congress person. Vote Blue, ALL BLUE. Yes most Democrats are not much better but it's a start. Then get rid of the corporate loving greedy Democrats. You can't get rid of the stench until you unclog the toilet.
Doing it neat makes the inspector walk in and walk out.
Walks in.
Makes U turn.
Walks out.
you also waste less material.... also saves time and money... its all in the prep... saves you when shit goes wrong.
Also makes troubleshooting easier as you can look at an area and actually tell what tf is going on. Or walking through on the rough and being able to see "Oh shit, I forgot to pull travelers" just because the box catches your eye. Not that I've ever forgot to pull travellers. Obviously
When the inspector walks in and the first thing he sees is a top notch, clean job, he will think the rest of the work was given the same level of detail..
When the inspector walks in and sees a jumble or wires, he thinks "what gems am I going to find today?!"
@@treyhart6861 not GC but don’t make money every time the comeback?
Totally agree with ya. Making Romex look neat is probably one of my favorite parts of the job.
Me too =)
I got in a habit and had my guys start labeling homeruns up in the attic. Makes it a lot easier to trouble shoot or add to the homeruns later on.
At the very least number them ffs.
I’m an HVAC tech. I am grateful when you guys don’t just leave cables laying around.
I am not a licensed electrician, but I do some of my own simple work. A few years back when we added an addition on our house, the electrician asked if he could shut the whole house off to "clean up" the panel to make room for new circuits. Knowing he was coming, I took a "before" picture inside the panel. After he left, I opened it again and took an "after" picture. He had transformed a rats nest into a work of art. As an engineer, I knew how to make things functionally work, but I had never been shown how to do GOOD work. I have used those two pictures many times in classes I teach, to show students how to really "put your name on your work," in any discipline.
As a fellow engineer, I rewired my entire house during a remodel as it must have been wired by a drunk hack. My local inspector came in and I passed with flying colors as he begged me to take up doing work in the area so his life would be easier. He ragged on how most of the people there were a hair above hacks who took no pride in their work and tried to hide issues all the time.
as another fellow engineer,
not really
never mind ☹
@@bassntruck My dad had the same kind of experience, though he was the electrician. He was a master electrician that had gone off to do other things but would still help out with helping others wire homes. Union rules prevented him from wiring houses for people unless it went through the union and it would then be assigned to whomever was next on the list. So he used a workaround, but I digress. Anyway, whenever anyone who called for an inspection on work that my dad had done, the inspector (there was only one in this rural area for decades) would see my dads signature, sign off and leave. Wouldn't do more than look at the panel or something to see it was his work. Apparently in many ways, how you wire is like a bomb maker, its a signature that says who did it, at least in low populated areas like we were in. The inspector had commented to the owner of one of these houses that "I wish everyone wired like him. My job would be so much easier."
@@NickFrom1228 I am also in a smaller rural area. Sadly, the inspector retired last year as he had been around for ages. The new kid that took his place knows next to nothing and is in way over his head. Being he knows and has seen nothing all he wants to see are stamped plans for everything. Want to build a 4x6 shed, stamped engineering plans. It is nuts.
I just cringe when I hear, can’t see it from my house, good enough for government work and other such gems. When I started in the trade and getting paid in 1979 you would have to fix your bad/violation work on your own time.
Always take pride in your work. You might not be able to make it perfect but you can always make it right. I first learned to have pride in my work from my Grandmother. I would ride with her sometimes when she went out with a punch list or put finishing touches on the houses we built in Arizona. The trunk of her Lincoln Mark III had all manner of materials from chunks of drywall to paint wood trim electrical devices. Wow what a beautiful memory I just had. Never really realized how much she has been an influence on me. Love you grandma thank you RIP
There's two different levels of government work, the good enough contracts and the contracts where we secure rigid every 12 inches with two hole straps and run additional grounds for every feeder conductor including the neutral.
mine is "I can see that @#%^ from my house"
Agree completely! As a “do it yourself” guy, I have to impress my inspectors to pass inspection. In our area, the licensed electricians in the area are often sloppy but the inspector knows them and doesn’t look nearly as closely. Myself; however, has no flexibility extended to me so it must be right. I organize every wire, place them in the walls flat and untwisted, staple perfectly, and wind my wires within the boxes perfectly and when my rentals are inspected, the inspection says “wow!” and he then knows that I am meticulous. That earns me my “pass” and I have a product I can be proud of
I am a mechanic and totally agree. Thanks for the videos dude! I'm wiring my own house with your help.
“If it doesn’t look good, it isn’t good” is what I tell all my guys.
I'm so thankful I've been working under a jman that takes pride in his work. Our company as a whole (boss included) works "to get the job done." "stop spending so much time in the panel, just get it on the breaker." "why are you spending so much time doing math for this one piece of conduit?" ect. I fucking hate it. I understand our job is to get the job done, but let me make my shit look good, it's not going to take that much more time. I'm glad there are others who take pride in their work too, because I would have been long gone from the trade as a whole if that wasn't the case. We are dealing with pixies that love to start shit on fire, that should not be rushed. Fuck your profit, you'll still get it.
And if it does look good, it still might not be good.
@@MrDarthbader you sound like you work where I work now. That’s why I want to go union. They won’t complain about time if you’re legitimately doing quality work.
@CrashyK 😂
Pride in your work always produces the best work. Working quickly, but also neatly, says a lot about you, and even though it will be covered up later, those that do see it before then, like your boss, will remember it.
Awesome, you hit the nail on the head with integrity and pride in your work! 👍
Can’t say that enough to everyone that works in my surrounding area when I’m on a site. “TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR WORK”. That line that “who cares, no one is going to see it” is for HACKERS. One of the best feelings is when an inspector calls you to tell you or tells you at an inspection that they haven’t seen quality work like the one you have provided in a long time. Take Pride in Your Work. Great video like always, Love the work you put out & the TH-cam content. Thanks.
These US videos of fellow sparkies on the other side of world are fascinating. Different cables, different systems, different code, same workmanship. Good job man, neat stuff! Same principle apply here aswell; Your work shows your pride on what you do.
I do HVAC and we come along and have to adapte to a lot of electrical work and we notice nice wiring and breaker boxes, it makes everyone’s life easier
Love the attitude, I’m a electrician myself . It’s tough teaching the youngsters the proper way!!!!
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As a handyman, and a Jack of all trades, taking pride in your work helps out not only you but the next guy. I just started remodeling my house that was built back in 74'. they ran a constant hot to the ceiling fans in the bedrooms for a transformer on the wall to control the speed. As well as junction boxes everywhere in the attic to run power in a 1800sqft house on 20 breaker slots. Upgraded the panel to a 36 slot panel, as well as upgrading the outside to a 250A main. I has the inspector as about a few things and i had to let him know that it was to allow me to access and upgrade wiring as we progress through the house. my kids love the fact the can strip and sell the old wiring, and I'm going to enjoy the fact that the wiring is simple, and easy to read/follow.
Love this mind set! Doesn't matter the trade, 9 times out of 10 I will always go with someone who takes pride in their work and does it right and neat than the cheaper route!
Thanks for making these videos! I'm a few months into my apprenticeship and you videos are really helping me. My journeyman is super ocd about clean work so it's a habit for me now
Thanks for putting it so well. On my first job as an apprentice I ran cable to several Homeworks panels, ensuring everything was neat and clean, including the ledgerboard. My heart sunk when it was covered with insulation and drywall. Then I realized it mattered to me that it was done well, plus I had pictures. Even though it gets covered, I know I did it well.
I've worked on many custom homes since then, where the homeowner visits. It matters to them the work looks neat and clean and gives them confidence in the installation. Ditto for the GC (although they also value work completed timely).
Last bonus. Clean work is easier to troubleshoot. In fact, I've rarely had to troubleshoot clean work; gremlins seem to prefer bunched up wires, etc. Pride in good work means work that will give years of trouble free service.
do not stop making electrician videos brother thank you for all that you have done!
I just took a online electrician course I just want to tell you how much I appreciate your time and videos. I have learned slots Thanks bro. You’re a badass in the trade.will keep on learning from you don’t stop doing what you’re doing now. Loving it. Thanks bro
I will never forget the day that an inspector came to look at this one house we worked on. He walked into the garage, and the first and only word out of his mouth was WOW.
My first time really doing a lot of electrical work was when I finished my basement. My VERY picky friend taught me electrical and he was very specific so my sub panel, all my boxes, my feeder, the jetted tub cable, the speaker wires, the pellet stove thermostat wire, my routing, holes in framing, etc had to be perfect. The electrical inspector was very impressed and even said i should teach contractors how to run wire. I was very proud of that and I actually still today, 20 years later, fell that way. Just built my own house as the general, doing a lot of the work, including most of the electrical- other than another friend who was a licensed electrical contractor helping me a little. But that basement project still stands out for me.
Big props to you man, wish there was more people with that integrity and work ethics.
I love the topic! I am an automotive instructor and I like your mechanic analogy. I am also one of those fanatical DIY guys who like to do their own Electrical work (and every other trade as well). Your advice extends way beyond the electrical trade. Professionalism and Integrity are hard to teach (but not impossible).
Repair or renovation without tearing up the walls is next to impossible if all the wires are stapled down. I don't like working behind guys like this.
Yes. Having spent over 20 years as a pro trucker I can tell you that professionalism in all areas tends to coincide. You see a messy truck going down the road there's a high likelihood that inspecting it will reveal mechanical violations. A neat truck is less likely to be in poor working order.
i ❤ the 18's looking like a christmas tree
The best thing to get is that dewalt staple gun it turn a few hours job into like 30 minutes to an hours. Very beneficial
Which staple gun is that?
@@huejanus5505 DeWalt makes a romex staple gun. Runs on a 20v battery. I don't have it, as I'm a commercial guy, but I know a resi guy that has one and he says its awesome.
I love this staple gun,Milwaukee definitely has to step up their game.
Yes and deed don’t leave home with out it. It makes the job look beautiful. Worth every penny No more hitting the thumb and fingers lol
@@spencerwyche2552 yeah Milwaukee loves to come late to the game and charge way more for a bulkier product
I have been looking for this very instruction on cable securing without reading the code. Thanks for the video!!!
Hey buddy first time coming across your videos I just want to say thank you for making videos that aren't boring and easy to understand I graduated from a 4-year trade school and it was the worst educational experience of my life
I watch this one video and it makes me want to see EVERYTHING you put out there! Integrity is so hard to find these days... Thanks!
Hey, brother! Thanks for uploading again, love the videos, I binged them before I started the trade and they've given me a headstart.
You should make a tips and tricks video! Like how to make wires into a pretty joint, all the little things that green guys like me learn with time. Like a rapid fire video. Anyway, thanks again!
Congratulations on your channel, my son started working with me 1 week ago, he had never worked electricity and he showed me one of your videos on how to be an electrical assistant and I have seen some other videos and in many things, I agree with you, Regarding this video, I always fight with the people who work with me and I say to them, I don't want to see a plate of spaghetti in the attic, inside the walls or under the house, we are electricians, we are not cooks, it is very satisfactory when an inspector says excellent work just seeing how the work is organized, when everything is in the order it is more difficult to make mistakes and it is easier to locate any fault, good work
Dude you’re legit, thank you for these vids, I hope God blesses your hands and the work you do - future electrician
From the Network Engineer part of the house, THANK YOU. This always make our lives easier.
Work is your signature. It is your calling card. I thought I was one of the few. Great video
Neat is always Best. I like to use cable stackers when doing my Home run raceways with Romex. But the main thing for me is to secure my wires and keep them safely away from the others trades behind me. Sheetrock, cabinets, base and crown molding, even roofers. Good Job Man. I enjoy your videos.
I was going to talk about stackers in the video but I think it's best for the next one I do about Romex as a whole
"...and keep them safely away from the others trades behind me."
Damn plumbers. Turd chasers piss me off.
@@longshot7601 plumbers should go in before electricians. your enemies should be insulators, dry-wallers and cabinet-hangers.
@@wim0104 On my jobs the electricians are there in the early phases all the way through the late phases. On commercial jobs the demo crew turns the site over to us we start laying out for switchgear and homeruns while staying out of the way of plumbers and mechanical subs per the MEPs. Other trades quickly find that they can work with me and I'll work with them or they can not. Some how things go more smoothly when they work WITH me. I'm always working with the GC so they tend to side with me.
im with you. Take some pride, sometimes you cant always make it look awesome but where you can you should. I walked around a job with the home owner today after i finished the panel and he was pleased.
Absolutely Spot On attitude. I visually inspected my home as it was being built. The electrical and plumbing work were works of art and solidified my confidence and satisfaction the the work that was done. Since, I have recommended the Electrician and Plumber MANY times to people who were building. The quality and neatness of the installations are truly examples of the professionalism of the installers. It also raises the intrinsic value of the structure. And, YES, inspectors DO take notice.
That’s what I learn in this trade . take pride in everything u do and it’s crazy cause I heard it from u to .great job on the video buddy .sick videos
On the first day of my grade 8 industrial arts class way back in the early 80's the first thing my teacher said to the class was "Never hand in a project and ask is this good enough?" If you're asking that question then that means you can do it better. That has stuck with me ever since and no matter what I do when I'm finished I ask myself "Is that the best I can do?" If the answer is no then I continue working on the task at hand until it is. I do low voltage installations and it drives me crazy when I have to sort out a rats nest of ethernet cables that someone just throws up in the ceiling or in a wall cavity. Any job worth doing is worth doing right or don't do it at all.
My 8th grade IA teacher told us on the first day of class the highest grade he would ever give on a project was a 95, because he believed nothing was ever perfect. On a wood shadow box project he gave me a 95-1/2. That was 45 years ago and I still aspire to that level.
If you don’t have the time to do it right the first time, why would you the second time?
It’s weird how I’m seeing this video today after re-doing my shop. I was literally impressed how nice my breaker box looked today in the house from the past electrician. It was literally perfect lol I’m always ocd about everything even if I’m covering it up. Why not take the extra time to make things neat and enjoy what you’re doing it’ll always be worth it in the end
I'm a fixer for our crews and our expectations are what you're describing but I have come to prefer using as few staples as possible (more stack-its!) and finding opportunities to keep slack in the lines; for all practical, functional purposes. I appreciate being able to make minor adjustments to an install without having to re-pull wires and remove a butt load of staples along the way, just because someone thought it looked nice.
okay I was not expecting the disappearing beard man...
hahaha, old recording that needed one more segment - it bugs the hell out of me too...but it is what it is
@@ElectricianU I would have rerecorded it 😂 the break in continuity is distracting 🙃. That's just me, I however agree with this and just about every other point you make! Also the phrase it is what is, my journeyman taught me that when I would spend too much time trying to make something perfect that will never be. It is what it is 🤣
@@ElectricianU So you cut corners and used mismatched footage instead of putting in the extra effort to make it look good. ;)
@@ElectricianU No way you could have re-done the "......BUT....." that you did in the older footage. That had me laughing.
@@ElectricianU : LOL... If you really want to fuck with peoples' minds, instead of saying, "It is what it is", just say, "It's what it's". I'm telling you, say that to somebody who ain't expecting it and their eyes cross, head cocks to side and you can just see the wheels madly grinding away while they work that shit out in their heads. LMAO...
It matters - good video. Pride in one’s work flows through everything you do.
Great video, would love to see some full videos of your runs on new construction. A lot of chop shop work these days.
You're right on this, every true electrician or electrical engineer is OCD about things like this. I was facilities maintenance for 20 years in a machine shop, the second I opened a service cabinet to check something electrical you could tell if an electrician or a hack was in there. I wish I would of went into electrical when I was younger, I understand it pretty well and have had college courses in HVAC but always liked electrical. I appreciate your channel a lot, always good information. ( for a whipper snapper ) .
Not an electrician, but I’ve watched a lot of these videos done by professionals in all the trades. Helps me learn when I need a pro I know if their a “pro” or a hack. To many times before I’ve had “pro” work done on my house and had no idea if it was being done correctly. Turns out, roof and windows were not. Unfortunately around here it seems like just that mentality, “they can’t see it, don’t worry, skip it,” especially when the place you buy from is not the installer. Simple things do matter. Besides, I always looked at neatly stapling and supporting anything in the walls, especially electrical or water pipes is going to help a lot preventing a screw or nail from giving a person a big headache in the future.
I enjoying all you videos!! Thanks a lot.
As a superintendent who hires electricians, nothing makes me happier than seeing neat parallel lines of romex and a well made up panel. Yes it all gets covered but a neat job speaks volumes about the man pulling the wire and the product he provides to the homeowner
In any trade , if you call yourself a " professional " you must conduct yourself in a professional manner. That includes your work and work standards. So I applaud your attention to detail. You are why so many people will put in the extra work to make it presentable. I've always looked at any job I do as a first impression and a sales pitch to better jobs in the future.
"Can't see it from my house" is an expression I often heard on the job. And this was as a carpenter who did work that was the walls, not hidden inside. Also had the chance to do some very high quality work. Much more satisfying.
The fella that wired my breaker box....I really don't want it covered...it's literally a work of art! and so easy to tell if there is a problem/trace/fix...and add more if needed. ( never had a problem though...done right the first time! )
Thank you brother for that! I feel the same way. Wish everyone else did!!!
As a cable technician that works near electrical (in basements mostly) I can appreciate a good electrical system install. I also take pride in how i do installations, and I always check the sticker on the breaker to see what electricians do the best work! Makes it easy to decide if I need work done who to use.
Dustin, I was taught, that whatever gets covered; will be uncovered at some point.....so make it look good & functional😉
Like making things look good, if that’s running romex, or doing plumbing work; regardless if gets covered up, I make sure it looks good & works “well” together. Also, imo, spend few extra bucks for nail plates for your electrical & plumbing work (last thing you want is someone doing finishing work & sinking a nail/screw into the wires/pipes you just spend installing & then having to “repair” them).
Happy Holidays (can’t believe thanksgiving & Xmas here already)✌🏼
Noti gang here! Keep up the great work my dude
Hell yes it matters. We are electricians not plumbers!!
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Easy sparky don't make me throw turds at you lol
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When I was 20 (40 yrs ago) an “old-.timer” who mentored me told me “ if it looks good, it’s probably going to work good” Took me a long time to realize why that advice is always true. Greenhorns and hacks don’t know how to make anything look good. That part takes a master workman.
In all trades, a neat and clean install makes the inspection smooth and fast. Atleast for me. Had 2 crews doing remodels 1 was kinda sloppy and the other very clean. Both met all local code requirements. However, the sloppy house inspection took hours and the clean the house was done in an hour. (Both had similar extensive work in all trades) I reworked the crews and the sloppy crew became very neat and efficient. Love your videos.
I'm all about making Romex look good! Kinda like a neat freak lol. If I pull wire across a ceiling I'll find a route where I can run several others right next to it going the same direction. Usually I just don't cut across any which way, it's a straight line. And I feel good about it when I'm done! Just about everyone comments on how neat and good of a job we do!! Take pride in what you do and set a good example to the ones around you!! Thanks Dustin for all your videos!!
Dustin, love your content and what you do here. Could you please do a video on North American AFCI and GFCI breaker solutions with thier pros and cons? Perhaps also cover some of the new style plug on neutral panels and your feelings on them since it's semi related. I'm considered replacing some of my homes breakers with AFCI/GFCI combo breakers in key areas and may replace the whole panel with a PON option to avoid all the neutral pigtails. Maybe also cover whole house surge protection 'breakers' too. I recently installed one and really like it. They are really a must have if you are installing these home automation in wall smart switches as the seem to fry Intantly if you even mention thunderstorms! Since installing my surge breaker I haven't lost one. Thanks!
been a neat freak bout this for a few decades....even map it on paper.... nothing like a guy reaching out to 15 years later and thanking you for doing such a neat job...he was doing a renno and expanding the electrical.. not to mention when it comes to inspections the inspectors come in and are out in half the time because they do not have to try to figure things out....
Doing it right and clean always matters no matter what trade or what task. Taking pride in your work is becoming a fucking lost art. Appreciate what you do man keep it up!
Totally agree with you. It doesn’t matter if anyone will see it or not! Attention to detail on whatever you’re doing!
This discipline applies to low voltage systems as well. I encounter alarm and access control panels all the time that I refer to as rat's nests. Do they work? Most of the time, but at the very least it makes things a challenge to troubleshoot. Fortunately, I had a mentor who insisted I take the extra time to do a "neat and workmanlike" job. I've had more than one inspector comment on my installs and usually one quick glance and they don't see any need to check my entire job. Nice to hear somebody preaching this concept.
Good Job that has always been my philosophy as my Dad said do it right the first time you wont have do it again boils down to taking pride in your work and yourself
Your NEC code 334.30 is very similar to our CEC code 12-510(4) "Where cable is run to a switch or a receptacle specifically approved with an integral enclosure incorporating an integral cable clamp, the cable shall be supported by straps or other devices located within 300mm from the switch or receptacle wall opening and there shall be at least a 300mm loop of unbroken cable or 150mm of a cable end available on the interior of the finished wall to permit replacement."
Our code for workmanship is 2-122 "The mechanical arrangement and execution of the work in connection with any electrical installation shall be acceptable." I always enjoy watching your videos, interesting to see the differences and similarities between the different code books.
Justine bro I’m very proud of you anything you post is help a lot to me I’m jeremie from Kansas City Missouri
I agree! My OCD kicks in 😂. And yes inspectors are definitely impressed! It takes me a little longer but it looks nice and professional.
I completely agree with you, your mind can rest easy knowing you did a great job. I come behind some shitty work and curse the prior electrician up and down! Great vide, by the way. There are some jack legs out there that feel like you're talking directly to them, lol☺
Not an electrician (yet) but have run many many miles of cat 5e/6 Ethernet, Including 15 km in a single building, and I finished with every single one in neat line with each other. Got a call a couple years later from another tech working on the same building after a small fire, said I made his life almost too easy, and he had to stall a little to make the pay worth his time. I'm with you man, I wouldn't feel right leaving a mess.
Well said ! Thanks for the video man!
Thanks for watching!
Keep Up The Good Work ⚡️My Dude!!😉👍🏽
Your channel is fuckn great man lol on halloween was my 2 year mark doing residential thanks for your help
You are the exception. Nice work!
Love this channel, and I completely agree.
I’m not ticketed, Im not an apprentice, I do it cause I love the work. It’s unfortunate that there’s no one local to apprentice under here, or I would be in the electrical trade if there was. Sadly I only get small buildings and shops to work on under homeowner self install permits.
I make 100% sure that when the utility inspector comes out he says “wow, this is nice!” It helps so much in the time it takes for the inspection. If your work reputation is bad, they will nit pick everything. Also the next contractor who comes in can do their work easily. There’s nothing worse than fighting with fiberglass around a bunch of janky ass installed romex.
Where is live, often you get the same inspectors. And they talk amongst each other. It’s good to build that good reputation. You establish trust with them after a while. Once you’ve provided quality consistent work they are accustom from seeing from you, often you can call them up and they will let you proceed with closing in something small without inspecting it cause they trust your tidy quality work.
Sadly, The option for pulling home owner installed electrical here isn’t going to be an option in the near future, but I can understand why, and agree with it. But I’ll be sad about it cause it’s a lot of fun.
I do NOT understand why home owner installed electrical is removed as an option and do not agree with it. I feel in most cases if the homeowner is confident in his skills, he will do the job with or without a permit. If you make it illegal for him to do the work in his own house telling him he/she has to pay a licensed 20k to do a rewire when they could do it themselves for under 2k. How many rewires out there are going to happen without an inspection ? Plenty.
Is it about safety or protecting an industry that doesn't need it ?
_If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable._
Nice job man, looks very proffesional!
As a marine and boat electrician for a yacht company that builds 40 to 90ft motor yachts and competition fishing boats, we all take pride in making sure our wiring is top notch, I can run upwards of 40 seperate cables in a loom behind cabinets and alongside the hull of the boat in places no one may ever see till it sinks, but I know that the people working after me will know that they have no worries of things not working correctly or that there’s no worry the boat will have problems later down the line because we obviously took the time to both wire the boat correctly but I clearly know where things are going when my loom has no wires crossing over or any wild tangles. I wired my bathroom almost the same way abs once I get my hands on the rest of my house I’ll do the same because I CARE, abs it’s MY HOUSE, now at least I know if anything needs to be done I have no worries in finding anything
Always practice neat work and craftsmanship at whatever task is at hand!! Always work in an effective and neat manner.. I wouldnt take all day to make wires look perfect, except in a panel but even wit Romex you can make it look good without taking all day!! Always take pride in your work!! It will follow you everywhere
I admire your work and no matter how hard I try I can’t get it to look as good as yours. Can you make a video on how to do that nice work of yours?
I 100% agree. We just remodeled our warehouse office and it was just a mess of wires that had to be sorted and traced to make sure the right wires for the outlets and recessed lighting were moved or terminated.
You just earned a lot of respect from me
Can't give you enough 👍
Good video and attitude. I know where you picked up that integrity line, Devil Dog! 🤣🇺🇲✌
I believe it so much, I put it on my arm for everyone to see. “Do what you say. Say what you mean. Mean what you do.” Integrity is honor. Honor is honesty in all things. In the end, my word is all I have. No one can take that, or give that to me. I will use it to the highest purpose that I can.
On a more practical note, neat work prevents mistakes. Not only does the extra care led to better work, but also because mistakes are more easily noticed and the overall SAFETY of the installation is improved. There are many that can build a thing that technically works. There are few that can build a thing that anyone can trust to the security of loved ones.
Thank you for this video. It is exactly the way I feel about it. And I have taken crap for it in the past. But I don't care. I do it to the best of my ability for all the reasons you stated. It's good to know that I am not alone.
I'm not officially an electrician, but craftsmen everywhere get what you are talking about. I'm a car guy, built a few cars - I love it when I'm at a show and someone comes by and slowly takes it all in, and then says: "wow, incredible attention to detail." I have rewired cars just to get rid of the who gives a shit bundle of snakes - it also makes any future work and diagnosing so much easier. One of the reasons I do my own plumbing and home electrical is precisely to get the beautiful layout. Maybe no one else will ever see it until I move to another house, but I enjoy looking at fine craftsmanship.
Damn straight brother, more should aspire to have your attitude and attention to detail.
Can you talk about wire size and their rating etc. ever since I started watching your channel it help me out a lot. Coming from the Bahamas
I was fortunate when I started my apprenticeship and was trained by a few guys who were hardcore about quality of work. So I learned early how to make my cables neat and tidy. There was a point where I found that if I just tried to "slap it in," i actually went slower than if I just did quality work. Basically, i had to try to do crap work. That was a revelatory sign for me early on.
I care deeply about such matters as well so good on you. I care to ensure cable is as straight like you. Using furring strips in attic as well - laying cable straight and fire block holes and shaping excess fire block to ensure holes in studs are covered. Plus I test the cables to ensure that they have not been damaged in installation. There are a lot of steps but if your methodical it works.
When I was installing small business PBX system..as a telephone employee in the early and mid 60’s.. I was trained to do it very neatly..45 degree corners..clamps equally spaced and to sign your name or initials to the board on which it was mounted. Nothing worse than to have to shoot a case of trouble when the wiring is a rats nest. I always took great pride in my work..do it right and you will not have to do it over.
Of course, it’s not the 60’s or even the 70’s any longer..so to see someone with dedication and pride in their work, is rare..unless they are craftspeople and laborers from another company.
Exactly, yes neatness counts in all trades. It shows you are a true professional
Dude. Thank you. As a simple cave-man home owner, I have added some of my own outlets and switches over the years. I try very hard to follow NEC scripture and I think if you honor that and realize that in this country, we have the oversite on how things are done and no excuse should be required to follow that and make it all as neat as possible. It is these things that increase the safety in our caves, where our families live and spend most of their time.
I'm running 4 home runs ( dedicated lines for major appliances ) from the kitchen to the panel ( in addition there will be three more circuit runs ) so a totally of 7 lines going through the joists at a 50ft distance. All of this romex bundle together in a 1.5 inch holes ( in the joists) does this derate it ?
Totally agree with everything said. As a auto tech for many years, I hate when I come across something that you can tell the previous guy didn't care about. If I can tell someone was in there, then they didn't take enough care.
Years ago when I did residential custom homes. Home owner would be part of the entire build. When I was ready for rough inspection, it looked like it wasn’t even wired yet cause everything was so neat.