Such a clarity in presentation. I hear you regularly before reaching office. My roadmap for whole day comes clear before. Ma will guide us. Thank you. Please continue.
Truth is mighty silence hence can not be embodied in words,either those who realised this truth can have authority to utter the word of words which can influence consciousness of the aspirant with respect to the degree of his devotion and surrender.
आप सब पढ कर दुसरो को पढनो से रोक रहे let the people read all kind of spiritual literature and let them decide when they should read what.Please don't impose your idea.sri Aurobindo /mother never stopped anybody from reading other spiritual texts ,I have not yet found such quotes in the literature of Shri Aurobindo,pl share reference if you have.
I am not sure what made you believe that I am suggesting that one should stop reading anything. Perhaps you are referring to one particular context which is specific to someone who has set his feet steadily upon the path. It is not out of any rigid mental rule about either reading everything or not reading everything but an understanding born out of real time experience and a deeper vision of the forces of life. Books, people, objects, activities are all conduits and vessels of vibrations. Not all of these are conducive to the yogic life one has resolved to take. Especially books can cast a strong influence upon the mind. For example if one is walking the path that seeks to transform life is pulled in the contrary direction of, lets say illusionist philosophy, then it is bound to create a tussle within unless one is wide and supple enough to be able to put each in its own place and look behind the words and even the experience to the truth it is trying to communicate. But this capacity generally comes later. And until that happens one is more likely to land up in a state of mental confusion rather than gaining clarity. It is perfectly fine and even good to read all kinds of different books and approaches to the mystery of life in the initial exploratory phase. It is when one is still not sure about the road one wants to take. In the next stage one starts the journey. it is then that one must be careful about not putting one's feet in two boats going in different directions. The result is the obvious. Finally when the door of knowledge opens and rays of light begin to pour in then it hardly matters what one reads or does not read. So it all depends upon the stage and context. However this is just a practical advice for those who have already embarked upon the journey. But even here it should not be turned into a rigid rule applicable for everyone at all times. What is helpful for one need not be for another. The spiritual life is too wide and plastic for any such absolute formulas of dos and don’ts. That is certainly what this practical advice meant. As to Sri Aurobindo and The Mother they generally preferred fidelity to the Path, though not in any rigid way, and certainly advised against all kinds of contrary influences that would only create hurdles in the sadhana. Of course is no question of stopping anyone from anything. Spiritual life blossoms in freedom and while there are suggestions and advices but it is left to each one to take them or leave them.
@@AuroMaa Pl listen carefully this talk,I have rightly pointed out not to criticise or any other ill intention ,rather i have expressed the reflection of your delivery. It is always better to have some reference quote on what one talks about. Where is the question arise when you have the complete faith in the Masters that itself will give the discernment to have common amity in understanding the essence and the substance of the content of any spiritual script presented by the spiritual authority.Your explanation must justify the principle of advait if we are true with what Shri Aurobindo and Mother is talking about the consciousness .🙏🏻
Dear Hemant auromaa.org/reading-and-understanding-sri-aurobindo-th-211/ If this is the talk you are mentioning then I am afraid you have not heard it well or completely misunderstood the point. Or perhaps it is some unconscious resistance to an unreserved surrender to the Master. In fact the talk has very little to do with different scriptures and much more to do with living sincerely any teaching. It is as we live it that true understanding comes. Anyways, you seem to have completely completely missed the point but that is okay. It happens when we hear anything with preconceived ideas. However i have no intention of forcing any views on anyone, and since you have already formed a fixed opinion i do not feel inclined to explain. Please continue with whatever you believe to be true and right. There is no question of trying to influence anyone about anything. You should also know that an inspirational talk is different from a scholarly one where one picks up a bit from here and a bit from there and makes a hotch potch mishmash of things. But since you have asked some references, i am attaching a few below. Though i must say again that the purpose of the talk, its drift is not about reading or not reading but about practicing what we read. Below are some letters of the Mother. There are many more including from Sri Aurobindo where he cautions us from reading all kind of things which may well create a confusion in the half-baked mind through contrary ideas. affectionately alok da (to be continued by quotes from the Mothers writing)
THE MOTHER’S WORDS ON READING BOOKS It all depends on the effect this literature has on your imagination. If it fills your head with undesirable ideas and your vital with desires, it is certainly better to stop reading this kind of book. 2 November 1934 * Q: Is there any harm in my reading novels in French? A: Reading novels is never beneficial. 24 April 1937 * In unformed minds what they read sinks in without any regard to its value and imprints itself as truth. It is advisable therefore to be careful about what one gives them to read and to see that only what is true and useful for their formation gets a place. 3 June 1939 * I do not approve of these literature classes in which, ostensibly for the sake of knowledge, they flounder in the mud of a state of mind which is out of place here and which cannot in any way help to build up the consciousness of tomorrow. I repeated this to X yesterday in connection with your letter, and I explained briefly to him how I saw the transition period between what was and what will be. * Q: What is the value of literature? A: It depends on what you want to be or do. If you want to be a litt´erateur, you must read a lot of literature. Then you will know what has been written and you won’t repeat old things. You have to keep an alert mind and know how to say things in a striking manner. But if you want real knowledge, you can’t find it in literature. To me, literature as such is on a pretty low level-it is mostly a work of the creative vital, and the highest it reaches is up to the throat centre, the external expressive mind. This mind puts one in relation with outside things. And, in its activity, literature is all a game of fitting ideas to ideas and words to ideas and words to one another. It can develop a certain skill in the mind, some capacity for discussion, description, amusement and wit. I haven’t read much of English literature-I have gone through only a few hundred books. But I know French literature very well-I have read a whole library of it. And I can say that it has no great value in terms of Truth. Real knowledge comes from above the mind. What literature gives is the play of a lot of common or petty ideas. Only on a rare occasion does some ray from above come in. If you look into thousands and thousands of books, you will find just one small intuition here and there. The rest is nothing. I can’t say that the reading of literature equips one better to understand Sri Aurobindo. On the contrary, it can be a hindrance. For, the same words are used and the purpose for which they are used is so different from the purpose for which Sri Aurobindo has made use of them, the manner in which they have been put together to express things is so different from Sri Aurobindo’s that these words tend to put one off from the light which Sri Aurobindo wants to convey to us through them. To get to Sri Aurobindo’s light we must empty our minds of all that literature has said and done. We must go inward and stay in a receptive silence and turn it upward. Then alone we get something in the right way. At the worst, I have seen that the study of literature makes one silly and perverse enough to sit in judgment on Sri Aurobindo’s English and find fault with his grammar! But, of course, I am not discouraging the teaching of literature altogether. Many of our children are in a crude state and literature can help to give their minds some shape, some suppleness. They need a good deal of carving in many places. They have to be enlarged, made active and agile. Literature can serve as a sort of gymnastics and stir u p and awaken the young intelligence. I may add that the whole controversy that has gone on among the teachers recently on the value of literature is a storm in a tea-cup. It is really part of a problem which concerns the whole basis of education. All that has been going on in every department of our School is to me one single problem at bottom. When I look at the education everywhere, I feel like the Yogi who was told to sit and meditate in front of a wall. I find myself facing a wall. It is a greyish wall, with some streaks of blue running across it-these are the efforts of the teachers to do something worthwhile-but everything goes on superficially and behind it all is like this wall here on which I am striking my hand now. It is hard and impenetrable, it shuts out the true light. There is no door-one can’t enter through it and pass into that light. * The selection [of books] has to be carefully done. Some of the books contain ideas which are sure to lower the consciousness of our children. Only such books are to be recommended as have some bearing on our Ideal or contain historic tales, adventures or explorations. One is never too careful with books which have the most pernicious effect. Blessings. 17 April 1967 * Q: I have been laying great stress on the stories of the Ramayana and Mahabharata and on the songs of Kabir, Mira, etc. Is it against your way to continue these old things? A: Not at all-it is the attitude that is important. The past must be a spring-board towards the future, not a chain preventing from advancing. As I said, all depends on the attitude towards the past.
@@AuroMaa I am sorry to say that ,you are beating around the bush.I have specifically mentioned about the reading of only spiritual scriptures presented by the spiritual Masters Like Shri Aurobindo and Mother and it is the same what Shri Aurobindo has asked to read about Sant Kabir.Reading such spiritual scripture can be helpful to get more clarity to practice the essence and i am talking about those readers like Alokji at least who is having the capacity to understand and assimilation and not react as if there are no readers of better capacity .There are ample of spiritual truths bring forth by other masters too ,like Shri Vivekananda,Ramkrishna Paramhans,Sant Tukaram Maharaj ,Sant Jnaneshwar Maharaj,Shri Avatar MeherBaba, Prajnyachakshu Sant Gulabrao Maharaj ,Paramhansa Yoganandji, Sant Eknath Maharaj .These Masters have written wonderful Scriptures if one reads it carefully it will certainly help us all aspirant to understand the various writings of shri Aurobindo and Mother in its true spirit.Instead of discussing these things you are roaming somewhere else and also you are reading my replies with some preoccupied content.
Jai sri maa❤
🙏🙏💐🌹 Om Namo Bhagwate Sri Aurobinday Namah 🙏💐🌹🙏 Om Sri MAA 🙏💐🌹🙏🙏
Thanks Alokji for good guidance
I wish to listen such lectures more and more. I'm grateful to Mother.
Very well explained thrigunas. Following Sri Maa words is more important than mere reading books.🙏Om namo bagavathe sri aurovindaya 🙏
Such a clarity in presentation. I hear you regularly before reaching office. My roadmap for whole day comes clear before. Ma will guide us. Thank you. Please continue.
I love Sri Aurobindo and The Mother.
જય શ્રી મા જય શ્રી અરવિંદ 🌷🌻⚘
salute to you sir. Om Shri Aurobindo Mira
Om namo bhagwate sriarvindya
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Fine
Truth is mighty silence hence can not be embodied in words,either those who realised this truth can have authority to utter the word of words which can influence consciousness of the aspirant with respect to the degree of his devotion and surrender.
A few words of the Mother and Lord Sri Aurobindo are mightier than a thousand page commentaries .
Blissful
sri aravinda annai yen anbana annai
आप सब पढ कर दुसरो को पढनो से रोक रहे let the people read all kind of spiritual literature and let them decide when they should read what.Please don't impose your idea.sri Aurobindo /mother never stopped anybody from reading other spiritual texts ,I have not yet found such quotes in the literature of Shri Aurobindo,pl share reference if you have.
I am not sure what made you believe that I am suggesting that one should stop reading anything. Perhaps you are referring to one particular context which is specific to someone who has set his feet steadily upon the path. It is not out of any rigid mental rule about either reading everything or not reading everything but an understanding born out of real time experience and a deeper vision of the forces of life.
Books, people, objects, activities are all conduits and vessels of vibrations. Not all of these are conducive to the yogic life one has resolved to take. Especially books can cast a strong influence upon the mind. For example if one is walking the path that seeks to transform life is pulled in the contrary direction of, lets say illusionist philosophy, then it is bound to create a tussle within unless one is wide and supple enough to be able to put each in its own place and look behind the words and even the experience to the truth it is trying to communicate. But this capacity generally comes later. And until that happens one is more likely to land up in a state of mental confusion rather than gaining clarity.
It is perfectly fine and even good to read all kinds of different books and approaches to the mystery of life in the initial exploratory phase. It is when one is still not sure about the road one wants to take. In the next stage one starts the journey. it is then that one must be careful about not putting one's feet in two boats going in different directions. The result is the obvious. Finally when the door of knowledge opens and rays of light begin to pour in then it hardly matters what one reads or does not read.
So it all depends upon the stage and context. However this is just a practical advice for those who have already embarked upon the journey. But even here it should not be turned into a rigid rule applicable for everyone at all times. What is helpful for one need not be for another. The spiritual life is too wide and plastic for any such absolute formulas of dos and don’ts. That is certainly what this practical advice meant.
As to Sri Aurobindo and The Mother they generally preferred fidelity to the Path, though not in any rigid way, and certainly advised against all kinds of contrary influences that would only create hurdles in the sadhana. Of course is no question of stopping anyone from anything. Spiritual life blossoms in freedom and while there are suggestions and advices but it is left to each one to take them or leave them.
@@AuroMaa Pl listen carefully this talk,I have rightly pointed out not to criticise or any other ill intention ,rather i have expressed the reflection of your delivery. It is always better to have some reference quote on what one talks about. Where is the question arise when you have the complete faith in the Masters that itself will give the discernment to have common amity in understanding the essence and the substance of the content of any spiritual script presented by the spiritual authority.Your explanation must justify the principle of advait if we are true with what Shri Aurobindo and Mother is talking about the consciousness .🙏🏻
Dear Hemant
auromaa.org/reading-and-understanding-sri-aurobindo-th-211/ If this is the talk you are mentioning then I am afraid you have not heard it well or completely misunderstood the point. Or perhaps it is some unconscious resistance to an unreserved surrender to the Master.
In fact the talk has very little to do with different scriptures and much more to do with living sincerely any teaching. It is as we live it that true understanding comes. Anyways, you seem to have completely completely missed the point but that is okay. It happens when we hear anything with preconceived ideas.
However i have no intention of forcing any views on anyone, and since you have already formed a fixed opinion i do not feel inclined to explain. Please continue with whatever you believe to be true and right. There is no question of trying to influence anyone about anything. You should also know that an inspirational talk is different from a scholarly one where one picks up a bit from here and a bit from there and makes a hotch potch mishmash of things.
But since you have asked some references, i am attaching a few below. Though i must say again that the purpose of the talk, its drift is not about reading or not reading but about practicing what we read. Below are some letters of the Mother. There are many more including from Sri Aurobindo where he cautions us from reading all kind of things which may well create a confusion in the half-baked mind through contrary ideas.
affectionately
alok da
(to be continued by quotes from the Mothers writing)
THE MOTHER’S WORDS ON READING BOOKS
It all depends on the effect this literature has on your imagination. If it fills your head with undesirable ideas and your vital with desires, it is certainly better to stop reading this kind of book. 2 November 1934
*
Q: Is there any harm in my reading novels in French?
A: Reading novels is never beneficial. 24 April 1937
*
In unformed minds what they read sinks in without any regard to its value and imprints itself as truth. It is advisable therefore to be careful about what one gives them to read and to see that only what is true and useful for their formation gets a place. 3 June 1939
*
I do not approve of these literature classes in which, ostensibly for the sake of knowledge, they flounder in the mud of a state of mind which is out of place here and which cannot in any way help to build up the consciousness of tomorrow. I repeated this to X yesterday in connection with your letter, and I explained briefly to him how I saw the transition period between what was and what will be.
*
Q: What is the value of literature?
A: It depends on what you want to be or do. If you want to be a litt´erateur, you must read a lot of literature. Then you will know what has been written and you won’t repeat old things. You have to keep an alert mind and know how to say things in a striking manner. But if you want real knowledge, you can’t find it in literature.
To me, literature as such is on a pretty low level-it is mostly a work of the creative vital, and the highest it reaches is up to the throat centre, the external expressive mind. This mind puts one in relation with outside things. And, in its activity, literature is all a game of fitting ideas to ideas and words to ideas and words to one another. It can develop a certain skill in the mind, some capacity for discussion, description, amusement and wit.
I haven’t read much of English literature-I have gone through only a few hundred books. But I know French literature very well-I have read a whole library of it. And I can say that it has no great value in terms of Truth.
Real knowledge comes from above the mind. What literature gives is the play of a lot of common or petty ideas. Only on a rare occasion does some ray from above come in. If you look into thousands and thousands of books, you will find just one small intuition here and there.
The rest is nothing.
I can’t say that the reading of literature equips one better to understand Sri Aurobindo. On the contrary, it can be a hindrance. For, the same words are used and the purpose for which they are used is so different from the purpose for which Sri Aurobindo has made use of them, the manner in which they have been put together to express things is so different from Sri Aurobindo’s that these words tend to put one off from the light which Sri Aurobindo wants to convey to us through them.
To get to Sri Aurobindo’s light we must empty our minds of all that literature has said and done. We must go inward and stay in a receptive silence and turn it upward. Then alone we get something in the right way. At the worst, I have seen that the study of literature makes one silly and perverse enough to sit in judgment on Sri Aurobindo’s English and find fault with his grammar!
But, of course, I am not discouraging the teaching of literature altogether. Many of our children are in a crude state and literature can help to give their minds some shape, some suppleness. They need a good deal of carving in many places. They have to be enlarged, made active and agile. Literature can serve as a sort of gymnastics and stir u p and awaken the young intelligence.
I may add that the whole controversy that has gone on among the teachers recently on the value of literature is a storm in a tea-cup. It is really part of a problem which concerns the whole basis of education. All that has been going on in every department of our School is to me one single problem at bottom.
When I look at the education everywhere, I feel like the Yogi who was told to sit and meditate in front of a wall. I find myself facing a wall. It is a greyish wall, with some streaks of blue running across it-these are the efforts of the teachers to do something worthwhile-but everything goes on superficially and behind it all is like this wall here on which I am striking my hand now. It is hard and impenetrable, it shuts out the true light. There is no door-one can’t enter through it and pass into that light.
*
The selection [of books] has to be carefully done. Some of the books contain ideas which are sure to lower the consciousness of our children. Only such books are to be recommended as have some bearing on our Ideal or contain historic tales, adventures or explorations.
One is never too careful with books which have the most pernicious effect.
Blessings. 17 April 1967
*
Q: I have been laying great stress on the stories of the Ramayana and Mahabharata and on the songs of Kabir, Mira, etc. Is it against your way to continue these old things?
A: Not at all-it is the attitude that is important. The past must be a spring-board towards the future, not a chain preventing from advancing. As I said, all depends on the attitude towards the past.
@@AuroMaa I am sorry to say that ,you are beating around the bush.I have specifically mentioned about the reading of only spiritual scriptures presented by the spiritual Masters Like Shri Aurobindo and Mother and it is the same what Shri Aurobindo has asked to read about Sant Kabir.Reading such spiritual scripture can be helpful to get more clarity to practice the essence and i am talking about those readers like Alokji at least who is having the capacity to understand and assimilation and not react as if there are no readers of better capacity .There are ample of spiritual truths bring forth by other masters too ,like Shri Vivekananda,Ramkrishna Paramhans,Sant Tukaram Maharaj ,Sant Jnaneshwar Maharaj,Shri Avatar MeherBaba, Prajnyachakshu Sant Gulabrao Maharaj ,Paramhansa Yoganandji, Sant Eknath Maharaj .These Masters have written wonderful Scriptures if one reads it carefully it will certainly help us all aspirant to understand the various writings of shri Aurobindo and Mother in its true spirit.Instead of discussing these things you are roaming somewhere else and also you are reading my replies with some preoccupied content.