Personally yes. The first time I heard it I felt like it didn't work precisely because of your reasoning the lyrics just come outta nowhere and hit you straight up It doesn't match the rest of the music. But on repeated revists I realized this is probably among my favorite in the entire soundtracks. It's like it's representative of Hiccup growing up like he is more outspoken more confident,he didn't used to think he fit in with the other vikings in the first movies and now he doesn't try to be like any of em he just becomes fully Hiccup and the drastic shift in music immediately establishes how he changed while keeping some of the important bits like the origanal mottifes showing up partway throw the track. I think it works.
It’s grown on me for sure, but it still breaks my immersion and it’s still one of my least favorite cues in the series. The use of the Flying Theme and Ostinato help, but not enough to reach other flying cues.
Yeah, I totally agree with you on this one. Some parts of the scene kinda feel like you're watching a trailer instead. For me, there's this lack of immersion. I dunno, I think beautiful shots underlined by a song is something you'd see come out of a trailer rather than a movie. But I guess the song does encapsulate the feeling of freedom and flying very well, so I don't mind its place in the movie too much.
It actually is used for the trailer, but with an orchestral piece over it. The lack of immersion is exactly what I was trying to get at here. They succeeded in creating it for the first four minutes of the movie, and here it’s gone.
I agree with some of what you said, but here's my take. I think Where No One Goes works because of where it is placed in the movie. The whole movie Hiccup has the pressure of becoming the next chief of berk, and this is exactly why he's out here. I can't talk about it as eloquently but there's something so freeing about this song. Between the sound of it and the visuals it is communicating freedom, and this is quite literally the freest Hiccup has been in his life (and the freest he ever will be.) Directly after this scene Hiccup's talking about not wanting to be Chief yet and right after that the antagonistic force is introduced. The movie's tone goes very downhill after this scene. Much more serious and dark. Dragon Racing and Where No One Goes are the fun and whimsical before the storm. And I think Where No One Goes sounding very different from Dragon racing also helps communicate that Hiccup is still very different than the rest of the Vikings in the village. I do think it's a little jarring having a song actually in the movie, and this is the only time that happens. BUT I don't really care because most the lyrics I don't really understand and I kinda tune them out anyways. You put your opinions into words a lot more expertly than I did, but that's my take. It's different, but I still like it and think it works. Awesome scene music and visual wise.
Don’t worry about your phrasing, I get exactly what you’re saying. We’re on the same page about it, even if we have different opinions. I 100% agree that it should sound free and light, but… it doesn’t have to be a song. And I did think of the fact that Hiccup is ahead of his time and out of place in a Viking world. But the use of a song still throws me a bit. I wish it were something in the score that felt more in line with the rest.
I think you make good points. That said, personally, the song doesn’t bother me at all. Yes, the lyrics do make it stand out, but for me, the excellence of the song itself (it’s a really good bit of music!), the upbeat energy that matches the jubilant tone of the flying scene, the pauses you mention in the lyrics for dialogue, and the beautiful orchestral interludes (and sidenote, but that from-below shot of them both flying is my single favorite shot in the entire series, bar none), all combine so that it just _works_ for me; it enhances the scene, rather than distract from it. It almost feels like the movie is singing Hiccup’s thoughts when he goes on these flights, how happy and free he feels. But of course, this is purely subjective; it’s always fun to analyze why people feel differently about something. (But I hope we can agree that journalist who said “Sticks & Stones” is a “misfire” on the first movie’s album is dead wrong. It’s a _fantastic_ credits theme for that movie! Yes, it’s a bit more pensive (though I think “morose” takes it a bit far), but that fits the movie all the better - the film isn’t some nonstop joyride, after all.)
I respect that. But I just feel I don’t need the music narrating Hiccup’s thoughts through lyrics. I know it’s an animated movie, but it feels a little on the nose to me apart from the style feeling so out of left field. As for Sticks and Stones, we can at least agree to disagree, eh?
While I agree with most of what you said- with the track feeling inconsistent with the rest of the soundtrack, and it kind of breaking immersion, in my opinion, all this is kind of symbolic of Hiccup's character. - With him feeling like an outsider, being more experimental and modern (like the song), going against what is traditional- he's a free spirit, on another "wavelength" than the other characters. I feel like this is especially reinforced by the fact that song/scene starts 20 seconds after the 4 minute overture of themes/scene of all the other characters, creating that clear contrast. It seems intentional, and that they're trying to show that Hiccup is different. Another reason why the song is so different from the rest of the soundtrack, especially from the first movie is to show hiccup's character is always pushing the limits and being innovative. The rest of the Vikings of Berk have accepted and adapted to Hiccup's way of thinking and it has become the norm on Berk- they've evolved from the traditional Viking way and are living more contemporarily- reflected by the 4 minute overture of themes which have become more contemporary in theirselves (adding electric guitar etc). However, because Berk has adapted to Hiccup's way of thinking, it has allowed Hiccup to grow and experiment even further. The extreme contrast in the music is required to paint Hiccup's character as still being "different" and "experimental" than the rest of Berk, after Berk has changed- as these trait are key to Hiccup's character- it wasn't required in the first movie because Hiccup already stood out from he rest of Berk but in the sequel after Berk had changed, the song puts more distance between the rest of Berk and Hiccup. - Hiccup is always going "Where No One Goes." -I know my points aren't written or structured well, but this is just my take on it as a contemporary artist. - Also the symbolism of the song can co-exist with the inconsistencies that appear while looking at it from a strictly musical point of view.
I thought of that too. Hiccup is supposed to be out of place in the Viking world. But the song doesn't work for me the way the electric guitar does in Test Drive.
I think this song fits perfectly into the movie especially into this scene. As someone who watched this movie in the theater 10 years ago, I can say that everytime I hear this I just have this scene from the movie In my head even more than I have when hearing Test drive for example. And I think this is what makes it so good because it's like this one time outstanding thing that you only get one time in the whole trilogy and this is what makes it so special.
Yeah I agree with you. That song did not sit well with me. As a flutist who prefers instrumental music over vocals, I decided to create my cover of it. I think that cover version was more true to the original intent of the movie. And now when I listen to this song with vocals I can accept this song more haha. I love the way you compare the song to that other movie! Sounds way too similar.
I didn't know you'd covered this one, I'll have to check that out! This song has grown on me a little, but it's still such an outlier from the rest of the score. It's never in my top listens.
So I'm now 2:16 in and Coming Back Around is one of my favourite tracks. There's a bit of a story as to why. But essentially the drums at the end remind me of the first time I heard Test Drive (when I heard it on TV as it was performed at the Edinburgh Military Tattoo). Maybe the music is taken from that performance, or it was recreated for the track. Either way I love it (especially with headphones on). I'm happy (and surprised) that you used that particular track for your rescore.
I was just looking for something that worked. I don't think my re-score is perfect, but it's an attempt at what a purely orchestral cue might look like.
@@FilmScoreandMore Well I wasn't thinking about it, in terms of music appropriateness, but that you picked that particular track. I'm not sure it would be many people's favourite, because of the drums at the end. So I was just surprised it was a track on your radar. There are a lot of excellent pieces of music from HTTYD that you could have chosen. That's all.
@QueenMonny I’m not sure which others could work this well, but I think this is actually a pretty popular track. It’s a great happy ending reprise of Test Drive.
@@FilmScoreandMore I hadn't thought of it like that. Lots of people (myself included) aren't all that fond of remixes for their favourite pieces of music, so I didn't think it would be that popular for that reason.
And now I'm at 6:51 and I agree again, that Jonsi's singing in this scene is perfect for the wonder and mystery of the hidden world. I always wondered who did the vocalisations for this scene. So thanks for that info.
Man, you were right when you said I would find your next video interesting! First, I agree with your premise for the most part. The music is very different from what we expect and kind of does take you out of the film for a minute. But I don't think it does that in a bad way. I think the step back is refreshing and enjoyable. I didn't like it at first, but I also didn't like "Sticks and Stones" or the end of THW at first (the story ending). But it grew on me. Second, while agreeing with your assertation that the instrumentation doesn't fit the soundscape, I would reiterate that I still have yet to hear a song so beautifully woven into the sound of the movie. Does it change styles? Slightly. But it's the same music. Using pre-existing HTTYD themes as the accompanying material for this song is genius. And I think it works. Lastly, even though there are objective reasons both for and against this cue, I love it. I think it evokes joy and wonder, working together with the dragon-racing sequence to establish a setting for the movie-a setting of peace and happiness in Berk. And as someone else said of this scene, 5:55 gives me goosebumps too.
Hey, I’m glad it works for you! Ultimately I see how it could fit, but it still takes me out of it, breaks my immersion. And yes, we can agree on the Flying Theme sections.
Honestly I was never really a fan of the song either, and I could never put my finger on it. But you are so right! The instruments feel off, and the version with the instruments typically used in httyd **FELT** soooo much more right
I always interpreted it as hiccup doing his own thing in a completely different setting/ "world" than what we saw in the first movie. To me it really conveys the right feeling of freedom, adventure and fun that this scene is about and feels like a break from everything Berk. So I'd say it fits like a glove. BUT I see what you mean from a point of view that focuses on the entire score and not just the scene that is playing at that point. It is different from everything else and clashes with the rest of the score but that is why I like it so much
where no one goes is probably my favorite scene of the franchise, and the music is a track I've listened to a lot. still a good video though, interesting to hear your take. a reprise would be a very good idea though whats that remix at the end btw?
I appreciate that. I like the scene, but I think I'd like it more if it had an original flying cue written solely by John Powell. There's still room to talk more about the reprise at the end too. That's not a remix at the end, that's the song from Meet The Robinsons, the other movie clip I used in the middle of the video. Here's the scene I pulled the audio from: th-cam.com/video/NOuOfi_CVNE/w-d-xo.html&t
I never thought about that, but I think your right. The httyd sound track is built on tracks and not songs, and this scene would have improved if Powell wrote a track for it. But I do love this song, it’s soooo good! (I think Sticks and Stones is very bad though)
Well said; it’s built on tracks, not songs. I like the scene, but not as much as I would with a Powell flying cue. And I don’t like the other songs, I don’t even know the one from the third movie.
You bring up good points, but I honestly love the scene and song too much to agree. I get the most rising feeling in my chest watching and listening to that pwrt of the movie for the simple reason that it's artistically gorgeous, both visually and audio-wise. There is such a wonderful free-form nature that cones with Hiccup, and I think the song emphasizes this nature HEAVILY, making it feel totally at home in my opinion. That's just my two cents though :P Good video!
I completely agree with everything you said. I even share the same opinions, such as the best part of the song being when the singing fades to the back and the flying motif B is pushed up front. Those sections are why I listen to it.
Me too! And those are the parts that get stuck in my head the most. Unfortunately, that creates a really short loop that gets stuck in my head. I don’t like the rest of it enough, so it gets pretty repetitive.
I feel like the song was trying to pull you out of the world on purpose, at first showing berk and and indulging us into the world then flipping to to hiccup and toothless bringing us into his
It’s a phenomenal song and I feel like it just shows the jubilation of hiccup and the joys of flying. Yeah, songs like this can be a bad choice (gone gone gone in TASM2) but this works
Honestly these more opinionated anaylsis are great! I think the only time where they incorperated the song naturally is 'for the dancing and the dreaming' probably cos its the characters singing it and the instruments are similar to the score (I think)
Great to know, I’ll have to work up some more! Yes, the diegetic use of For The Dancing And The Dreaming makes it unique. It feels like it has a history in the world and with the characters.
I'll never like songs in movies if they don't feel like they are born of the same dna. for example I like "when you're alone" in Hook because it fits the dna of the score. Jonsi doesn't fit the dna of Powell's score so I'd prefer it just be in the credits.
I would have loved to see any connection to Jonsi's Go album identified in the analysis of the development of the song, but I still really appreciated the video clips of the artists themselves.
Well, tbh, songs almost never work in movies. Films like Baby Driver and the recent Deadpool are rare examples: bc their songs are used contextually (diegetic) or ironically (‘audience? Its okay to unwind now or have a laugh’). Those are times where to make a song really flow with a movie. Most of the time its immediate ‘we interrupt this program’. Yes even in the most ‘perfect fitting songs’ people like to say, they secretly like the song. Unpopular opinion: i rarely listen to songs anyways bc lyrics take me out of a fantasy music can provide. Instrumental (doesnt matter what kind of genre) all the way!
Of course, setting is important too. Baby Driver is in the modern world, and American Graffiti uses exclusively diegetic music from the period. But when a period piece does something like this it throws me a little.
I'm only into the first 25 seconds of this video. And I will tell you, I don't like it either. I'm just not a massive fan of scores that have songs with lyrics in them, especially if it's not the standard for the rest of the score. Even LOTR with Howard Shore's epic score, I really only tolerate the songs with singing, I don't particularly love them. Maybe I can tolerate them because I don't know what they're saying. 😅
Does Where No One Goes work for the scene? Why or why not?
Personally yes.
The first time I heard it I felt like it didn't work precisely because of your reasoning the lyrics just come outta nowhere and hit you straight up
It doesn't match the rest of the music.
But on repeated revists I realized this is probably among my favorite in the entire soundtracks.
It's like it's representative of Hiccup growing up like he is more outspoken more confident,he didn't used to think he fit in with the other vikings in the first movies and now he doesn't try to be like any of em he just becomes fully Hiccup and the drastic shift in music immediately establishes how he changed while keeping some of the important bits like the origanal mottifes showing up partway throw the track.
I think it works.
It’s grown on me for sure, but it still breaks my immersion and it’s still one of my least favorite cues in the series. The use of the Flying Theme and Ostinato help, but not enough to reach other flying cues.
I think it fits but your opinion is valid
I think it does because it shows Toothless and Hiccup's adventurousness.
Yeah, I totally agree with you on this one. Some parts of the scene kinda feel like you're watching a trailer instead. For me, there's this lack of immersion. I dunno, I think beautiful shots underlined by a song is something you'd see come out of a trailer rather than a movie. But I guess the song does encapsulate the feeling of freedom and flying very well, so I don't mind its place in the movie too much.
It actually is used for the trailer, but with an orchestral piece over it. The lack of immersion is exactly what I was trying to get at here. They succeeded in creating it for the first four minutes of the movie, and here it’s gone.
I agree with some of what you said, but here's my take.
I think Where No One Goes works because of where it is placed in the movie. The whole movie Hiccup has the pressure of becoming the next chief of berk, and this is exactly why he's out here. I can't talk about it as eloquently but there's something so freeing about this song. Between the sound of it and the visuals it is communicating freedom, and this is quite literally the freest Hiccup has been in his life (and the freest he ever will be.) Directly after this scene Hiccup's talking about not wanting to be Chief yet and right after that the antagonistic force is introduced.
The movie's tone goes very downhill after this scene. Much more serious and dark. Dragon Racing and Where No One Goes are the fun and whimsical before the storm. And I think Where No One Goes sounding very different from Dragon racing also helps communicate that Hiccup is still very different than the rest of the Vikings in the village.
I do think it's a little jarring having a song actually in the movie, and this is the only time that happens. BUT I don't really care because most the lyrics I don't really understand and I kinda tune them out anyways.
You put your opinions into words a lot more expertly than I did, but that's my take. It's different, but I still like it and think it works. Awesome scene music and visual wise.
Don’t worry about your phrasing, I get exactly what you’re saying. We’re on the same page about it, even if we have different opinions.
I 100% agree that it should sound free and light, but… it doesn’t have to be a song. And I did think of the fact that Hiccup is ahead of his time and out of place in a Viking world. But the use of a song still throws me a bit. I wish it were something in the score that felt more in line with the rest.
I think you make good points. That said, personally, the song doesn’t bother me at all. Yes, the lyrics do make it stand out, but for me, the excellence of the song itself (it’s a really good bit of music!), the upbeat energy that matches the jubilant tone of the flying scene, the pauses you mention in the lyrics for dialogue, and the beautiful orchestral interludes (and sidenote, but that from-below shot of them both flying is my single favorite shot in the entire series, bar none), all combine so that it just _works_ for me; it enhances the scene, rather than distract from it. It almost feels like the movie is singing Hiccup’s thoughts when he goes on these flights, how happy and free he feels.
But of course, this is purely subjective; it’s always fun to analyze why people feel differently about something.
(But I hope we can agree that journalist who said “Sticks & Stones” is a “misfire” on the first movie’s album is dead wrong. It’s a _fantastic_ credits theme for that movie! Yes, it’s a bit more pensive (though I think “morose” takes it a bit far), but that fits the movie all the better - the film isn’t some nonstop joyride, after all.)
Yep, I feel exactly the same as you do. Honestly, the song made it probably one of my favorite scenes in the series
I respect that. But I just feel I don’t need the music narrating Hiccup’s thoughts through lyrics. I know it’s an animated movie, but it feels a little on the nose to me apart from the style feeling so out of left field.
As for Sticks and Stones, we can at least agree to disagree, eh?
@QuatarTarandir I love the scene! But I’d probably love it more if Powell just wrote a new flying cue solo.
@@FilmScoreandMore Yeah, that's fair
While I agree with most of what you said- with the track feeling inconsistent with the rest of the soundtrack, and it kind of breaking immersion, in my opinion, all this is kind of symbolic of Hiccup's character. - With him feeling like an outsider, being more experimental and modern (like the song), going against what is traditional- he's a free spirit, on another "wavelength" than the other characters. I feel like this is especially reinforced by the fact that song/scene starts 20 seconds after the 4 minute overture of themes/scene of all the other characters, creating that clear contrast. It seems intentional, and that they're trying to show that Hiccup is different.
Another reason why the song is so different from the rest of the soundtrack, especially from the first movie is to show hiccup's character is always pushing the limits and being innovative. The rest of the Vikings of Berk have accepted and adapted to Hiccup's way of thinking and it has become the norm on Berk- they've evolved from the traditional Viking way and are living more contemporarily- reflected by the 4 minute overture of themes which have become more contemporary in theirselves (adding electric guitar etc). However, because Berk has adapted to Hiccup's way of thinking, it has allowed Hiccup to grow and experiment even further. The extreme contrast in the music is required to paint Hiccup's character as still being "different" and "experimental" than the rest of Berk, after Berk has changed- as these trait are key to Hiccup's character- it wasn't required in the first movie because Hiccup already stood out from he rest of Berk but in the sequel after Berk had changed, the song puts more distance between the rest of Berk and Hiccup. - Hiccup is always going "Where No One Goes."
-I know my points aren't written or structured well, but this is just my take on it as a contemporary artist.
- Also the symbolism of the song can co-exist with the inconsistencies that appear while looking at it from a strictly musical point of view.
I thought of that too. Hiccup is supposed to be out of place in the Viking world.
But the song doesn't work for me the way the electric guitar does in Test Drive.
I think this song fits perfectly into the movie especially into this scene. As someone who watched this movie in the theater 10 years ago, I can say that everytime I hear this I just have this scene from the movie In my head even more than I have when hearing Test drive for example. And I think this is what makes it so good because it's like this one time outstanding thing that you only get one time in the whole trilogy and this is what makes it so special.
Well, technically it plays at the end of the movie too with larger orchestration. But I’m glad it works so well for you! That’s great.
0:27 “when I first saw this scene *10 years ago* ” Damn…
Is that not when you saw it?
@@FilmScoreandMore it is, but it’s amazing how time flies, great video btw
@Mr.Estiverne Time is always moving on. And thanks!
Valid points but I still think the song slaps
That’s a valid opinion.
Yeah I agree with you. That song did not sit well with me. As a flutist who prefers instrumental music over vocals, I decided to create my cover of it. I think that cover version was more true to the original intent of the movie. And now when I listen to this song with vocals I can accept this song more haha. I love the way you compare the song to that other movie! Sounds way too similar.
I didn't know you'd covered this one, I'll have to check that out! This song has grown on me a little, but it's still such an outlier from the rest of the score. It's never in my top listens.
So I'm now 2:16 in and Coming Back Around is one of my favourite tracks. There's a bit of a story as to why. But essentially the drums at the end remind me of the first time I heard Test Drive (when I heard it on TV as it was performed at the Edinburgh Military Tattoo).
Maybe the music is taken from that performance, or it was recreated for the track. Either way I love it (especially with headphones on).
I'm happy (and surprised) that you used that particular track for your rescore.
I was just looking for something that worked. I don't think my re-score is perfect, but it's an attempt at what a purely orchestral cue might look like.
@@FilmScoreandMore Well I wasn't thinking about it, in terms of music appropriateness, but that you picked that particular track. I'm not sure it would be many people's favourite, because of the drums at the end. So I was just surprised it was a track on your radar. There are a lot of excellent pieces of music from HTTYD that you could have chosen. That's all.
@QueenMonny I’m not sure which others could work this well, but I think this is actually a pretty popular track. It’s a great happy ending reprise of Test Drive.
@@FilmScoreandMore I hadn't thought of it like that.
Lots of people (myself included) aren't all that fond of remixes for their favourite pieces of music, so I didn't think it would be that popular for that reason.
I think it’s more of a reprise than a remix.
And now I'm at 6:51 and I agree again, that Jonsi's singing in this scene is perfect for the wonder and mystery of the hidden world.
I always wondered who did the vocalisations for this scene. So thanks for that info.
No problem! He does have a unique sound, and I think that was the right way to incorporate it.
It always felt like an opening credits segment for me as a kid, but I guess I don't mind it!
I could see it that way.
Man, you were right when you said I would find your next video interesting!
First, I agree with your premise for the most part. The music is very different from what we expect and kind of does take you out of the film for a minute. But I don't think it does that in a bad way. I think the step back is refreshing and enjoyable. I didn't like it at first, but I also didn't like "Sticks and Stones" or the end of THW at first (the story ending). But it grew on me.
Second, while agreeing with your assertation that the instrumentation doesn't fit the soundscape, I would reiterate that I still have yet to hear a song so beautifully woven into the sound of the movie. Does it change styles? Slightly. But it's the same music. Using pre-existing HTTYD themes as the accompanying material for this song is genius. And I think it works.
Lastly, even though there are objective reasons both for and against this cue, I love it. I think it evokes joy and wonder, working together with the dragon-racing sequence to establish a setting for the movie-a setting of peace and happiness in Berk. And as someone else said of this scene, 5:55 gives me goosebumps too.
Hey, I’m glad it works for you! Ultimately I see how it could fit, but it still takes me out of it, breaks my immersion.
And yes, we can agree on the Flying Theme sections.
@@FilmScoreandMore 🫡 Love your content, man!
@bluefalcon5433 Thanks! Much appreciated!
Honestly I was never really a fan of the song either, and I could never put my finger on it.
But you are so right! The instruments feel off, and the version with the instruments typically used in httyd **FELT** soooo much more right
How do you feel about the other Jónsi songs?
I always interpreted it as hiccup doing his own thing in a completely different setting/ "world" than what we saw in the first movie. To me it really conveys the right feeling of freedom, adventure and fun that this scene is about and feels like a break from everything Berk. So I'd say it fits like a glove. BUT I see what you mean from a point of view that focuses on the entire score and not just the scene that is playing at that point. It is different from everything else and clashes with the rest of the score but that is why I like it so much
You like how it clashes?
@@FilmScoreandMore yes
where no one goes is probably my favorite scene of the franchise, and the music is a track I've listened to a lot. still a good video though, interesting to hear your take. a reprise would be a very good idea though
whats that remix at the end btw?
I appreciate that. I like the scene, but I think I'd like it more if it had an original flying cue written solely by John Powell. There's still room to talk more about the reprise at the end too.
That's not a remix at the end, that's the song from Meet The Robinsons, the other movie clip I used in the middle of the video. Here's the scene I pulled the audio from: th-cam.com/video/NOuOfi_CVNE/w-d-xo.html&t
@@FilmScoreandMore wow the two songs are so simular!
I’m glad you think that, because by the time I was finishing the video I couldn’t tell any more!
@@FilmScoreandMore oh totally, when you played it in the middle of the song I was very confused lol.
@bradley9856 At the end of the video you mean?
I never thought about that, but I think your right. The httyd sound track is built on tracks and not songs, and this scene would have improved if Powell wrote a track for it.
But I do love this song, it’s soooo good!
(I think Sticks and Stones is very bad though)
Well said; it’s built on tracks, not songs. I like the scene, but not as much as I would with a Powell flying cue.
And I don’t like the other songs, I don’t even know the one from the third movie.
@@FilmScoreandMore I....don't think I've actually ever fully listened to the song from the third film. It's called Together From Afar.
I only know the title.
Bruh, I’d never noticed how similar Meet The Robinsons was 😂😂😂 Now I need to go and relisten to that score.
You can start with that full scene right here! th-cam.com/video/NOuOfi_CVNE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Cy7Fy6kt1OkzhRPc
@@FilmScoreandMore wait is Lewis Hogarth Hughes from The Iron Giant?? Shows how long ago I watched this movie 😂
@SpudIllusionPictures It’s definitely either a child or a very talented voice actor.
But I haven’t seen The Iron Giant in years, so I don’t know.
You bring up good points, but I honestly love the scene and song too much to agree. I get the most rising feeling in my chest watching and listening to that pwrt of the movie for the simple reason that it's artistically gorgeous, both visually and audio-wise. There is such a wonderful free-form nature that cones with Hiccup, and I think the song emphasizes this nature HEAVILY, making it feel totally at home in my opinion.
That's just my two cents though :P
Good video!
Fair enough, you’re welcome to your own opinion! I do like the scene a lot.
I completely agree with everything you said. I even share the same opinions, such as the best part of the song being when the singing fades to the back and the flying motif B is pushed up front. Those sections are why I listen to it.
Me too! And those are the parts that get stuck in my head the most.
Unfortunately, that creates a really short loop that gets stuck in my head. I don’t like the rest of it enough, so it gets pretty repetitive.
@@FilmScoreandMore I fully understand that.
@@SaltyGamer777 I don't mind most of the score getting stuck in my head, but for this one there's just not quite enough in it for me.
Same
@@FilmScoreandMore There's a mashup someone made of it with test drive, maybe that one would be better
I feel like the song was trying to pull you out of the world on purpose, at first showing berk and and indulging us into the world then flipping to to hiccup and toothless bringing us into his
It should be very different, of course.
Interesting thoughts!
I still love Where No One Goes, and don't think it pulls me out of the movie, though.
That’s great! I’m glad it works for you!
@@FilmScoreandMore :D
It’s a phenomenal song and I feel like it just shows the jubilation of hiccup and the joys of flying. Yeah, songs like this can be a bad choice (gone gone gone in TASM2) but this works
Fair enough.
Honestly these more opinionated anaylsis are great! I think the only time where they incorperated the song naturally is 'for the dancing and the dreaming' probably cos its the characters singing it and the instruments are similar to the score (I think)
Great to know, I’ll have to work up some more! Yes, the diegetic use of For The Dancing And The Dreaming makes it unique. It feels like it has a history in the world and with the characters.
I'll never like songs in movies if they don't feel like they are born of the same dna. for example I like "when you're alone" in Hook because it fits the dna of the score. Jonsi doesn't fit the dna of Powell's score so I'd prefer it just be in the credits.
Exactly, even though Forbidden Friendship was temped with one of his songs.
I would have loved to see any connection to Jonsi's Go album identified in the analysis of the development of the song, but I still really appreciated the video clips of the artists themselves.
I’m actually not familiar with the album, but that doesn’t mean it’s out of the question for another video.
I would love to see the same, but with his album *Obsidian* and the score from THW.
@bluefalcon5433 Are they similar?
Well, tbh, songs almost never work in movies. Films like Baby Driver and the recent Deadpool are rare examples: bc their songs are used contextually (diegetic) or ironically (‘audience? Its okay to unwind now or have a laugh’). Those are times where to make a song really flow with a movie. Most of the time its immediate ‘we interrupt this program’. Yes even in the most ‘perfect fitting songs’ people like to say, they secretly like the song.
Unpopular opinion: i rarely listen to songs anyways bc lyrics take me out of a fantasy music can provide. Instrumental (doesnt matter what kind of genre) all the way!
Of course, setting is important too. Baby Driver is in the modern world, and American Graffiti uses exclusively diegetic music from the period.
But when a period piece does something like this it throws me a little.
I'm only into the first 25 seconds of this video. And I will tell you, I don't like it either.
I'm just not a massive fan of scores that have songs with lyrics in them, especially if it's not the standard for the rest of the score. Even LOTR with Howard Shore's epic score, I really only tolerate the songs with singing, I don't particularly love them. Maybe I can tolerate them because I don't know what they're saying. 😅
Interesting, thank you. I think movie songs _can_ work, but in many cases they don't for me.