Colin Wilson changed my life, too. I discovered him in high school in about 1981--I used to check "The Occult" out of our neighborhood library. (I went to a Christian high school that would never have had WIlson's books around). Wilson steered me into a whole new direction as well. Later, I also was touring in a rock band and while in San Francisco, I picked up my copy of "The Outsider" at City Lights Bookstore. I have a shelf full of his books, and even have a VHS copy of Mr Mishlove interviewing Colin on "Thinking Allowed" many years ago. Unfortunately, I didn't get to meet him myself, and was saddened when he passed. All to say, I LOVE this discussion.
i really love how so many references to thinkers, books, concepts, and summations of thinkers are being discussed almost every minute, at the drop of a hat. Quite beautiful, honestly. I am googling all these terms and search queries like crazy and i love it!
I read “ The Occult “ when I was 12 years old and would reread it compulsively; I found it so interesting and well written. It led me to “ Drawing Down the Moon “ and I found they complimented each other well, in terms of a masculine and feminine take on the occult. I bought the wonderful series “ Man, Myth and Magic “ from money I earned on my paper route when I was 9. I came to this interview after finding Dr. Mishlove’s resurrected “ New Thinking Allowed” and reading “ Dark Star Rising “. Thank you for your wonderful work Dr. Mishlove LLC these years.
I was also introduced to these ideas by The Occult. It was my Mum's book - a battered, thumbed, tea stained, dog eared, yellowing tome. I kept it for years and then finally lost track of it.
This is a great new year treat! I came across CW when i read The Outsider and then The Occult in the late 70s. Years later, i started reading Gary and realized that he was not only a champion of the study of the occult, but he also knew and wrote about his friend, Colin Wilson. Great conversation,. Thank you, gentlemen.
I discovered Colin Wilson decades ago. He has fans and critics alike, and all make valid points. He wasn't perfect, but iv'e never encountered anyone who is, myself included..BUT i am convinced he was on to something, and i have gleaned threads of gold in his works i haven't found anywhere else, and remain thankful for. RIP, Sir.
Gurdjieff, Maslow, and Wilson were really at the heart of modern transcendental psychology, in my inexpert opinion. I'm anticipating a Mishlove-Lachman discussion of Gurdjieff.
+Gary Lachman Sounds good. I laugh to think of his novel, "The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin," which I read many years ago; and which Harold Ramis made into a movie almost everyone enjoys, "Groundhog Day." I enjoyed "The Fourth Way," although much of it was over my head at the time and I was often just browsing, with interest, through it. Another interesting figure. I had thought you've written a bio of Gurdjieff. Thanks.
When I was 21, I passed by a bookshop in Croydon where I noticed this lime green book out the corner of my eye. I walked on a few paces, but that image wouldn't leave my mind, for some reason...I went back, into the shop, and purchased Wilson's 'THE OCCULT' (lime green cover), changed my life...M.E.
Hey Gary! This was everything I needed to know and more about Colin's lifeand work all in one fascinating conversation - thank you so much! By the way, you have a very interesting and fruitful life and work yourself!! Jeffrey, it seems that whenever I find a certain individual during my spiritual quests and decide to investigate his work, low and behold, you have interviewd him or done a video about him. Not to mention you ask all the RIGHT questions always. Thank you for such an infinit well of wisdom that keeps on giving. God bless you both🙏
Best Lachman interview yet! I love the definition of imagination as a faculty to grasp realities that aren't immediately present. I admit total ignorance of Colin Wilson so this was great. Thanks for the extended episode Jeffrey!
Dear Jeffrey: I would greatly appreciate if you did a program (or a few) on phenomenology (mentioned in this interview)! Thanks immensely! I have enjoyed this interview a lot. Thanks to Gary, as well!
When it comes to Colin Wilson, I am in the same position as the vast majority of people who have read his books. His deceptively simple writing style enabled him to impart complicated and difficult subjects to readers who might have otherwise struggled to understand such things, had they been written in the usual pretentious language of academia. In short I owe Mr Wilson a great deal for opening my eyes to many interesting subjects and important but, often 'forgotten' writers. But many years ago, I came to realize that Mr Wilson's greatest enemy was his extreme naivety which unusually never seemed to lesson over the course of a very long and busy career. He read, reproduced and quoted countless articles, and paranormal incidents without ever really giving much thought to their veracity. He then based his theories on this material which although always interesting and plausible, were nonetheless built on a very shaky premise. The 'peak experience' on which he wrote most eloquently for so many years, is something most people have experienced at some time during their lives, and while it enables a person to appreciate what is good about life, it certainly won't change their lives to any great degree. Colin Wilson was a good writer who got sidetracked into the world of the occult and like many more before him, he languished there in obscurity for the remainder of his career, his name unknown to the general book buying public. After a lifetime of paranormal experiences, most of which were unwanted, to me the paranormal exists in reality...but there's no way I could ever prove it to anyone else, nor would I try. After over a century of constant investigations, often by very eminent men and women, the fact that no shred of acceptable solid evidence has emerged should in itself suggest a solution to the problem. I know the paranormal exists because I have always and still continue to experience paranormal 'incidents'. There are countless other people in the same position. I have come to believe that the 'paranormal world' exists in the unconscious mind and all the phenomena from ghosts to poltergeists emanate from that one endless source. So for me the answer seems to be that every person has paranormal sensibilities, some more than others, a few much more. But I'm going on too long! Colin Wilson will always hold a special place in my memory.
No acceptable evidence for the paranormal? Acceptable to whom? There's plenty of evidence. Try Dean Radin, interviewed by Jeffrey. th-cam.com/video/fSM0UhOJJkY/w-d-xo.html
"The Outsider" and "The Occult" have been important to me, too, and I've reread them both several times through the years. So your discussion was interesting and brought back many memories. Knut Hamsun, the Norwegian novelist, was a prototypical outsider, himself, and won the Nobel Prize; his novel "Hunger" has been called the first modern novel, and he, with Hesse and Hemingway, are mentioned in Wilson's book. "Beyond the Occult" is the third book in Wilson's "Occult trilogy." I think I can say, with Gary, that "The Occult" changed my life and my point of view. It's a great introduction to the paranormal. Excellent conversation, gentlemen. I enjoyed it.
I can attest to the fact that the 1970’s Bowery was as dark desolate and depressing a place as one could find themselves. The perfect atmosphere to conjure punk rock, new wave, existentialism and the occult.
I wrote a little about it on this post. There is a bit too much information in Mysteries, but it is one of the best research assistants you can find. Wilson knows what he is looking for, so his choices in terms of what he investigates and how he goes about trying to understand the phenomena is an excellent introduction to the scope of the phenomenal territory of consciousness. facebook.com/yehoshuab/posts/10218114289193992
I enjoy "the Outsider" the best. I did enjoy his later books on the paranormal (fiction not so much), but he seemed to churn them out. "The Outsider" is the work of someone who had little or nothing at the time.
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And God said..”Lachman !...You’re going to go to Nineveh to enlighten the people, and fulfill your destiny ..” And Gary saiid..”No I’m not....I’m not going to Nineveh....forget it...” And God said..”Lachman !...How about London?..” And Gary said..”Okay...I could handle going to London..” And God said..”Good ...It’s settled then.. Do have Mishlove’s cell number handy?“ ;>
I went to the market today and the cashier was evidently new, a newbie, because his attitude was fresh, bright and friendly and alert and attentive; he was still enjoying "beginner's mind," I suppose. Soon, inevitably, he'll get comfortable, then too comfortable, and then he'll get bored and turn over many of his responsibilities to "The Robot." That's what we do: we put it--ourselves--on "autopilot," as we say. We fall into a rut. We "fall asleep," as Gurdjieff said (he said most of us are asleep). We do it in small ways and large. A species that's destroying its only habitat and seems barely aware of it is asleep. "Rip Van Winkle" slept for 20 years. Even as I send this, I'm asleep, and have been for a couple of years. Consciousness can be painful, but sleep is usually pretty comfy.
I own/read 'The Outsider', the only Colin Wilson book. I struggled with it a bit maybe b/c his approach was sort of unorthodox in a way I wasn't used to and he was too sympathetic to Nietzsche in certian respects for my liking, that said the book did stimulate some novel avenues / perspectives from angles I hadn't considered and as something of an outsider myself (or so I think, maybe I just want to believe I'm special) it spoke to me on a more personal / intimate level than most books of that variety. Found it interesting that he and Huxley had arguments. I don't know if this comment is intelligible I'm tired won't bother rereading or editing it any.
I will add that Gary is a great guest, I've been listening to nearly all of his interviews on this channel over the course of the last week or so. His enthusiasm and insight for these formidable figures and subjects really seem to make him suitable for this line of work. Think I've heard him on C2C or some show like that before. He shines here on interviews on this channel.
Probably Colins "real self" appeared in the moment he thought about commiting suicid. Eckhart Tolle described a similar experience before his awakening. He went home and thought before sleep "I cant life with me anymore. In this moment he realized he has kind of two personalitys. The one he cant life with anymore and the "real I" "real self". I use the term "real I" from the american philosoph Jacob Needleman. Thank you for this conversation and letting us be part of it. 😊
Great interview. Really enjoyed watching it. Gary Lachman knows so much about Wilson and the interview should inspire others, not familiar with Wilson’s work, to seek out some of Wilson’s many books, whose earlier works, particularly the Outsider cycle, I believe, still stand test of time. Great writer and sadly missed.
Terrific interview! I wonder if / why Collins didn't connect "imagination" to his panic attacks. (Right brain vs Left brain) Good for him that he found resolution to them but his theory of the adult within controlling them seems off with his overall understanding and theory of the robot vs imagination. Just an observation and i don't have the answer but i do have panic attacks and know that for me they are connected to imagination, of the worse case scenarios, outcomes. "Logic" can attempt to resolve but generally it's action that works, for me.
Based on PD Newman and Swami Sarvapriyananda / Sri M, I get the impression that the common understanding of meditation is to alleviate stress, pain, etc.. but there is a different approach that leads to ego/self-dissolution and uncommon abilities.. including alchemy?! For example, Sadhguru mentions that you can live a totally fulfilled life utilizing only 21 of the 114 chakras. However, by practicing specific yoga techniques, you can access the rest that are of higher dimensions (except for the crown/sahasrasa chakra, which requires kundalini awakening). What (if any) is the overlap between the 'occult' *PRACTICES* and *GOALS* of Colin Wilson/Freemasons/Aleister Crowley /Black-Magick/hermetic-order, and that of yoga exercises ( Isha Kriya / Shambhavi Mahamudra / shonya etc)? Would love to hear Gary's thoughts on all things esoteric.. reincarnation, ghosts (those that do 'good', and those that seem 'bad'), aliens, free-will, advaita or dvaita, Jung, etc. After one dies, when do you ever stop having a unique dissociative experience (as Bernado Kastrup likes to say)?
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For viewers interested in my book on Colin Wilson, here's a link for US readers: www.amazon.com/Beyond-Robot-Life-Colin-Wilson/dp/0399173080/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547286834&sr=1-1&keywords=Beyond+the+Robot and here's one for readers in the UK: www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Robot-Life-Colin-Wilson/dp/0399173080/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547286909&sr=1-1&keywords=beyond+the+robot
Maslow did update this take on the peak experience to the plateau experience where there was a more obtainable way to maintain a peak experience but he died before that was fully fleashed like his self actualisation work.
Why does an occult discussion end without any mention of an actual paranormal / spiritual experience related question? If nothing spiritual or paranormal happens in the occult then what is it's purpose?
He first talks about it in Poetry and Mysticism and it becomes a central theme in pretty much everything else after that. The Occult, Mysteries and Beyond the Occult all go into it.
i was looking 4 an audio bk of colin wilsons'necessary doubt'and god of the labyrinth'which had huge effect on me... had no idea he'd passed in 2013! and surprized how hard it hit me..'...A one-off!gave me a place to belong...Godspeed!'*ukdave
There's an edition of The God of the Labyrinth on audio with an introduction by me: www.amazon.com/God-Labyrinth-Colin-Wilson-ebook/dp/B00DQDPX0U/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+God+of+the+Labyrinth&qid=1556789837&s=books&sr=1-1
I wonder if the any of the people claiming life was meaningless, driven by animal urges, noticed the unending optimism of animals and the lack of thoughtful suicide in the animal kingdom.
@@eternaldelight648 I recall Rupert Sheldrake pointing out that the word animal is from the greek, anima, meaning soul. hahaha, sometimes i'm amazed how screwed up english seems to be. Even the word Adult can be broken down into a-dult or dolt meaning idiot. Great stuff
Colin Wilson's attempt to establish "the outsider" as a "personality type" recalls Dr. Anthony Storr's attempt to do the same for the "guru" in "Feet of Clay." (Wilson's work preceded Storr's.)
Yes, by about 40 years. What Colin does in the Outsider is very different from what Storr does in his book. I like Storr's work; he is one of the few people who can make Jung's ideas understandable. But he is after something else. Wilson wrote his own study of gurus, The Devil's Party: www.amazon.com/Devils-Party-Colin-Wilson/dp/1852278439/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547318227&sr=1-2&keywords=The+Devil%27s+Party
+Gary Lachman Yes, I was aware, of course, that WIlson's book was published in 1956, Dr. Storr's in 1997. I've been aware of both books for decades, and have reread both several times. The only similarity I was referring to was the attempt, by both men, to outline a personality type outside of conventional "personality theory," an observation I think is valid and has interest. I was unaware of CW's book on gurus. (Corrections included.)
+John Paul Although I don't have the material at hand, I do think "The Outsider Personality Type--or disorder?--and "The Guru Personality Type" do have common, overlapping traits, although neither yet appears in the DSM. (Forgive me, please, I just woke out of interesting dreams.)
Hi Jeff, I absolutely love your channel. Fascinating conversation, I found it remarkable how when the conversation turned to sex, I found a great disconnect, where the rest rang the truth bell, it felt like the word “male” would need to proceed “sexual experience” as I couldn’t really relate... interesting, I suspect I will be ruminating on that for the rest of the day.
I read ‘The Outsider’ at age 19, and I have been grateful to Mr. Colin Wilson all these decades. I do, however, find the last chapter in said book utterly awful.
Yes, he did, or at least he was an early proponent of it. Otto Rank too. But they still worked within a context of deficiency. Maslow went a step further and began with the idea of health.
@@GaryLachmanThere's also a way of looking at (at least some so-called) deficiencies as manifestations of health, understood as the capacity for advanced development. We observe it in artists and mystics and exemplars of high moral development who, more often than not, undergo periods of sometimes significant and prolonged psychological instability manifesting as self-doubt, inner conflicts, neuroses and even psychosis, only to emerge from them transformed, as if catapulted into higher levels of development. That's another way crises contribute to inner transformation. If you have nothing better to do, look up positive disintegration, the psychological process and the theory describing it, created by Polish psychiatrist and psychologist Kazimierz Dabrowski. It is believed that Maslow was to acknowledge Dabrowski's theory as the "missing link" in his own conceptualization of mental health.
As much as I admire Gary's work, I wish interviewers (not just you, Dr. Mishlove) would interupt him from time to time. After a while, my mind just saturates and can't hear a word he's saying. :|
Suicide is the pursuit of ultimate experience. To do the most lively thing for a living thing and die. Maybe we should try to make life more about living instead fo selling out and building a shitty society.
I think Colin Wilson could be a good writer, but his later work was often too commercial and pulpy... Still enjoyable. Not so keen on his fiction but I have read a lot of that.
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Colin Wilson changed my life, too. I discovered him in high school in about 1981--I used to check "The Occult" out of our neighborhood library. (I went to a Christian high school that would never have had WIlson's books around). Wilson steered me into a whole new direction as well. Later, I also was touring in a rock band and while in San Francisco, I picked up my copy of "The Outsider" at City Lights Bookstore. I have a shelf full of his books, and even have a VHS copy of Mr Mishlove interviewing Colin on "Thinking Allowed" many years ago. Unfortunately, I didn't get to meet him myself, and was saddened when he passed. All to say, I LOVE this discussion.
Buying your copy of The Outsider at City Lights while in San Francisco with your band --- now that's something special. Thanks for sharing your story.
Your discussions with Gary Lachman are some of my favorites on the NTA channel. How interesting and inspiring! Thank you for your wonderful program!
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I could listen to Garys wisdom all day, he enjoys sharing his awe for these great people.
@@The_Space_Born self-judgement is good to work on. You're good enough and so is this video.
Fantastic
Gary is so knowledgeable about Colin Wilson. Bravo. 🎩
Love to see Gary again! Especially on Colin Wilson, to whom I had a strong calling this winter.
The kind of man that promotes the books of the philosophers of old instead of promoting his own books....a class act.
i really love how so many references to thinkers, books, concepts, and summations of thinkers are being discussed almost every minute, at the drop of a hat. Quite beautiful, honestly. I am googling all these terms and search queries like crazy and i love it!
I read “ The Occult “ when I was 12 years old and would reread it compulsively; I found it so interesting and well written. It led me to “ Drawing Down the Moon “ and I found they complimented each other well, in terms of a masculine and feminine take on the occult. I bought the wonderful series “ Man, Myth and Magic “ from money I earned on my paper route when I was 9. I came to this interview after finding Dr. Mishlove’s resurrected “ New Thinking Allowed” and reading “ Dark Star Rising “. Thank you for your wonderful work Dr. Mishlove LLC these years.
I was also introduced to these ideas by The Occult. It was my Mum's book - a battered, thumbed, tea stained, dog eared, yellowing tome. I kept it for years and then finally lost track of it.
This is a great new year treat! I came across CW when i read The Outsider and then The Occult in the late 70s. Years later, i started reading Gary and realized that he was not only a champion of the study of the occult, but he also knew and wrote about his friend, Colin Wilson. Great conversation,. Thank you, gentlemen.
Gary mentions Rupert Sheldrake. Jeff, please get him on for many interviews. 😍
Exellent interview... Gary played with Blondie & Iggy.... Then we got the story of yourself doin' the Freddy Mercury on the bicycle.... Thumbs Up!
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Yes! Sheldrake is amazing.
Totally agree Clare. Sheldrake is a must for an interview!
Definitely! Great suggestion Clare.
Fantastic, Gary is truly brilliant. The insight about Colin Wilson was fascinating.
I discovered Colin Wilson decades ago. He has fans and critics alike, and all make valid points. He wasn't perfect, but iv'e never encountered anyone who is, myself included..BUT i am convinced he was on to something, and i have gleaned threads of gold in his works i haven't found anywhere else, and remain thankful for. RIP, Sir.
Thanks Dr. Mishlove!!! Gary rocks the roll...GREAT INTERVIEW!!!
Gurdjieff, Maslow, and Wilson were really at the heart of modern transcendental psychology, in my inexpert opinion. I'm anticipating a Mishlove-Lachman discussion of Gurdjieff.
I have written on Ouspensky so we could start from there.
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Sounds good. I laugh to think of his novel, "The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin," which I read many years ago; and which Harold Ramis made into a movie almost everyone enjoys, "Groundhog Day."
I enjoyed "The Fourth Way," although much of it was over my head at the time and I was often just browsing, with interest, through it.
Another interesting figure.
I had thought you've written a bio of Gurdjieff.
Thanks.
Who is Wilson?
+Retrogamer71
Watch the video.
Jeff has other videos on Colin Wilson, too, including an interview.
When I was 21, I passed by a bookshop in Croydon where I noticed this lime green book out the corner of my eye. I walked on a few paces, but that image wouldn't leave my mind, for some reason...I went back, into the shop, and purchased Wilson's 'THE OCCULT' (lime green cover), changed my life...M.E.
Goddess I met Colin Wilson in 1966 in college. What a trip. Id been in England my Junior Year so invited to host him. Really interesting guy
Hey Gary! This was everything I needed to know and more about Colin's lifeand work all in one fascinating conversation - thank you so much! By the way, you have a very interesting and fruitful life and work yourself!! Jeffrey, it seems that whenever I find a certain individual during my spiritual quests and decide to investigate his work, low and behold, you have interviewd him or done a video about him. Not to mention you ask all the RIGHT questions always. Thank you for such an infinit well of wisdom that keeps on giving. God bless you both🙏
Extremely interesting. Much to learn. Thank you.
Congratulations another stellar interview ! Enjoyed it immensely... thanks alot.
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Best Lachman interview yet! I love the definition of imagination as a faculty to grasp realities that aren't immediately present. I admit total ignorance of Colin Wilson so this was great. Thanks for the extended episode Jeffrey!
Dear Jeffrey: I would greatly appreciate if you did a program (or a few) on phenomenology (mentioned in this interview)! Thanks immensely! I have enjoyed this interview a lot. Thanks to Gary, as well!
When it comes to Colin Wilson, I am in the same position as the vast majority of people who have read his books. His deceptively simple writing style enabled him to impart complicated and difficult subjects to readers who might have otherwise struggled to understand such things, had they been written in the usual pretentious language of academia. In short I owe Mr Wilson a great deal for opening my eyes to many interesting subjects and important but, often 'forgotten' writers. But many years ago, I came to realize that Mr Wilson's greatest enemy was his extreme naivety which unusually never seemed to lesson over the course of a very long and busy career. He read, reproduced and quoted countless articles, and paranormal incidents without ever really giving much thought to their veracity. He then based his theories on this material which although always interesting and plausible, were nonetheless built on a very shaky premise. The 'peak experience' on which he wrote most eloquently for so many years, is something most people have experienced at some time during their lives, and while it enables a person to appreciate what is good about life, it certainly won't change their lives to any great degree. Colin Wilson was a good writer who got sidetracked into the world of the occult and like many more before him, he languished there in obscurity for the remainder of his career, his name unknown to the general book buying public. After a lifetime of paranormal experiences, most of which were unwanted, to me the paranormal exists in reality...but there's no way I could ever prove it to anyone else, nor would I try. After over a century of constant investigations, often by very eminent men and women, the fact that no shred of acceptable solid evidence has emerged should in itself suggest a solution to the problem. I know the paranormal exists because I have always and still continue to experience paranormal 'incidents'. There are countless other people in the same position. I have come to believe that the 'paranormal world' exists in the unconscious mind and all the phenomena from ghosts to poltergeists emanate from that one endless source. So for me the answer seems to be that every person has paranormal sensibilities, some more than others, a few much more. But I'm going on too long! Colin Wilson will always hold a special place in my memory.
No acceptable evidence for the paranormal? Acceptable to whom? There's plenty of evidence. Try Dean Radin, interviewed by Jeffrey. th-cam.com/video/fSM0UhOJJkY/w-d-xo.html
"The Outsider" and "The Occult" have been important to me, too, and I've reread them both several times through the years. So your discussion was interesting and brought back many memories.
Knut Hamsun, the Norwegian novelist, was a prototypical outsider, himself, and won the Nobel Prize; his novel "Hunger" has been called the first modern novel, and he, with Hesse and Hemingway, are mentioned in Wilson's book.
"Beyond the Occult" is the third book in Wilson's "Occult trilogy."
I think I can say, with Gary, that "The Occult" changed my life and my point of view. It's a great introduction to the paranormal.
Excellent conversation, gentlemen. I enjoyed it.
OMG! I'm only now getting interested, beyond curiosity.
I'm a VERY late Bloomer!
Childhood wrecks lives. 😰😨
Is he a Christian?
Gary is inspiring. And thank you Jeff for being such a generous interviewer and making this available. I will look into Colin.
I can attest to the fact that the 1970’s Bowery was as dark desolate and depressing a place as one could find themselves. The perfect atmosphere to conjure punk rock, new wave, existentialism and the occult.
By far, Mysteries is his best book, and as its title suggests, there is something very mysterious going on in that book.
Care to elaborate?
I wrote a little about it on this post. There is a bit too much information in Mysteries, but it is one of the best research assistants you can find. Wilson knows what he is looking for, so his choices in terms of what he investigates and how he goes about trying to understand the phenomena is an excellent introduction to the scope of the phenomenal territory of consciousness.
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I enjoy "the Outsider" the best. I did enjoy his later books on the paranormal (fiction not so much), but he seemed to churn them out. "The Outsider" is the work of someone who had little or nothing at the time.
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This was an inspiring talk. I’m looking forward to reading more about Mr Wilson.
Enjoyed that interview thanks yet again
And God said..”Lachman !...You’re going to go to Nineveh to enlighten the people, and fulfill your destiny ..”
And Gary saiid..”No I’m not....I’m not going to Nineveh....forget it...”
And God said..”Lachman !...How about London?..”
And Gary said..”Okay...I could handle going to London..”
And God said..”Good ...It’s settled then.. Do have Mishlove’s cell number handy?“
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@@CroMagnon42 And, that's hilarious!
This is perhaps the most briliant and funniest comment I've ever seen! Thank you, prospero, you are a man of culture indeed.
I went to the market today and the cashier was evidently new, a newbie, because his attitude was fresh, bright and friendly and alert and attentive; he was still enjoying "beginner's mind," I
suppose. Soon, inevitably, he'll get comfortable, then too comfortable, and then he'll get bored and turn over many of his responsibilities to "The Robot." That's what we do: we put it--ourselves--on "autopilot," as we say. We fall into a rut. We "fall asleep," as Gurdjieff said (he said most of us are asleep). We do it in small ways and large. A species that's destroying its only habitat and seems barely aware of it is asleep. "Rip Van Winkle" slept for 20 years. Even as I send this, I'm asleep, and have been for a couple of years. Consciousness can be painful, but sleep is usually pretty comfy.
Thoughtful and informative interview, got me interested in Mr. Lachman's work
What an amazing discussion! Thank you both
I own/read 'The Outsider', the only Colin Wilson book. I struggled with it a bit maybe b/c his approach was sort of unorthodox in a way I wasn't used to and he was too sympathetic to Nietzsche in certian respects for my liking, that said the book did stimulate some novel avenues / perspectives from angles I hadn't considered and as something of an outsider myself (or so I think, maybe I just want to believe I'm special) it spoke to me on a more personal / intimate level than most books of that variety. Found it interesting that he and Huxley had arguments.
I don't know if this comment is intelligible I'm tired won't bother rereading or editing it any.
I will add that Gary is a great guest, I've been listening to nearly all of his interviews on this channel over the course of the last week or so. His enthusiasm and insight for these formidable figures and subjects really seem to make him suitable for this line of work. Think I've heard him on C2C or some show like that before. He shines here on interviews on this channel.
This channel is a breath of fresh air.
Thank you for this
Great. I recently ordered three of Gary's books. I'm currently reading the one on Steiner 🤓
How's Steiner Book?? I'm sure intriguing & of profound insight!🤓
@@aphysique There's a couple Rudolf Steiner YT channel I highly recommend!
I cannot wait to get my hands on that book.
Steiner fascinates me
Reading The Outsider at age 18, changed my life.
What an interview! This guy is amazing. Keep 'em coming, Jeffrey.
You can never have enough Lachman
Respect! Another relevant interview from Mishlove👽
that was refreshing and informative, thank you
I dig this channel,I learn a few things & I like all of Gary Lachman stuff I've seen, thank u
You didn't include the link to your interview with Colin Wilson, Jeff, in your video description, though you said you would.
I will fix that. Thank you for letting me know!
@@NewThinkingAllowed I really admire you, Jeff.
Probably Colins "real self" appeared in the moment he thought about commiting suicid. Eckhart Tolle described a similar experience before his awakening. He went home and thought before sleep "I cant life with me anymore. In this moment he realized he has kind of two personalitys. The one he cant life with anymore and the "real I" "real self". I use the term "real I" from the american philosoph Jacob Needleman.
Thank you for this conversation and letting us be part of it.
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Great interview. Really enjoyed watching it. Gary Lachman knows so much about Wilson and the interview should inspire others, not familiar with Wilson’s work, to seek out some of Wilson’s many books, whose earlier works, particularly the Outsider cycle, I believe, still stand test of time. Great writer and sadly missed.
Oh Thinking allowed, you're the only program that can make comic sans charming.
Awesome! Thanks, both!
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Terrific interview! I wonder if / why Collins didn't connect "imagination" to his panic attacks. (Right brain vs Left brain) Good for him that he found resolution to them but his theory of the adult within controlling them seems off with his overall understanding and theory of the robot vs imagination. Just an observation and i don't have the answer but i do have panic attacks and know that for me they are connected to imagination, of the worse case scenarios, outcomes. "Logic" can attempt to resolve but generally it's action that works, for me.
Based on PD Newman and Swami Sarvapriyananda / Sri M, I get the impression that the common understanding of meditation is to alleviate stress, pain, etc.. but there is a different approach that leads to ego/self-dissolution and uncommon abilities.. including alchemy?!
For example, Sadhguru mentions that you can live a totally fulfilled life utilizing only 21 of the 114 chakras. However, by practicing specific yoga techniques, you can access the rest that are of higher dimensions (except for the crown/sahasrasa chakra, which requires kundalini awakening).
What (if any) is the overlap between the 'occult' *PRACTICES* and *GOALS* of Colin Wilson/Freemasons/Aleister Crowley /Black-Magick/hermetic-order, and that of yoga exercises ( Isha Kriya / Shambhavi Mahamudra / shonya etc)?
Would love to hear Gary's thoughts on all things esoteric.. reincarnation, ghosts (those that do 'good', and those that seem 'bad'), aliens, free-will, advaita or dvaita, Jung, etc. After one dies, when do you ever stop having a unique dissociative experience (as Bernado Kastrup likes to say)?
Fasanating, I think I fit under the outsider label. Might try that book. Thanks for upload enjoyed it immensely
I really appreciate Gary’s research and presentation.
It's true, your Actions speak louder than your Words.
Very interesting, as always.
Can't help but notice that Gary even looks like Colin nowadays.
Wonderful. Where's the link to your original interview with Colin Wilson?
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It's Fun ping-pong'ing between 'then & now' "Thinking Allowed" interviews. 😉
Btw: one of the "fun" part consists in:
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@@NewThinkingAllowed Hi Jeff. Can you put that into the description box of the video? It will be available for all that way.
For viewers interested in my book on Colin Wilson, here's a link for US readers: www.amazon.com/Beyond-Robot-Life-Colin-Wilson/dp/0399173080/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547286834&sr=1-1&keywords=Beyond+the+Robot and here's one for readers in the UK: www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Robot-Life-Colin-Wilson/dp/0399173080/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547286909&sr=1-1&keywords=beyond+the+robot
Maslow did update this take on the peak experience to the plateau experience where there was a more obtainable way to maintain a peak experience but he died before that was fully fleashed like his self actualisation work.
Loving these
Why does an occult discussion end without any mention of an actual paranormal / spiritual experience related question? If nothing spiritual or paranormal happens in the occult then what is it's purpose?
I'd love to see you interview Michael Tsarion sometime.
Which books in particular does Colin Wilson discuss the robot? Thanks in advance
He first talks about it in Poetry and Mysticism and it becomes a central theme in pretty much everything else after that. The Occult, Mysteries and Beyond the Occult all go into it.
@@GaryLachman thank you, Gary. I'm loving these discussions of yours on YT BTW. Much appreciated.
Thank you Mr. Mishlove.
i was looking 4 an audio bk of colin wilsons'necessary doubt'and god of the labyrinth'which had huge effect on me... had no idea he'd passed in 2013! and surprized how hard it hit me..'...A one-off!gave me a place to belong...Godspeed!'*ukdave
There's an edition of The God of the Labyrinth on audio with an introduction by me: www.amazon.com/God-Labyrinth-Colin-Wilson-ebook/dp/B00DQDPX0U/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+God+of+the+Labyrinth&qid=1556789837&s=books&sr=1-1
I wonder if the any of the people claiming life was meaningless, driven by animal urges, noticed the unending optimism of animals and the lack of thoughtful suicide in the animal kingdom.
Great point !!
So true; the word "animal" has received undeservedly negative connotations.
So true; the word "animal" has received undeservedly negative connotations.
So true; the word "animal" has received undeservedly negative connotations.
@@eternaldelight648 I recall Rupert Sheldrake pointing out that the word animal is from the greek, anima, meaning soul. hahaha, sometimes i'm amazed how screwed up english seems to be. Even the word Adult can be broken down into a-dult or dolt meaning idiot. Great stuff
Colin Wilson's attempt to establish "the outsider" as a "personality type" recalls Dr. Anthony Storr's attempt to do the same for the "guru" in "Feet of Clay." (Wilson's work preceded Storr's.)
Yes, by about 40 years. What Colin does in the Outsider is very different from what Storr does in his book. I like Storr's work; he is one of the few people who can make Jung's ideas understandable. But he is after something else. Wilson wrote his own study of gurus, The Devil's Party: www.amazon.com/Devils-Party-Colin-Wilson/dp/1852278439/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547318227&sr=1-2&keywords=The+Devil%27s+Party
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Yes, I was aware, of course, that WIlson's book was published in 1956,
Dr. Storr's in 1997.
I've been aware of both books for decades, and have reread both several times.
The only similarity I was referring to was the attempt, by both men, to outline a personality type outside of conventional "personality theory," an observation I think is valid and has interest.
I was unaware of CW's book on gurus.
(Corrections included.)
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Although I don't have the material at hand, I do think "The Outsider Personality Type--or disorder?--and "The Guru Personality Type" do have common, overlapping traits, although neither yet appears in the DSM.
(Forgive me, please, I just woke out of interesting dreams.)
Hi Jeff, I absolutely love your channel. Fascinating conversation, I found it remarkable how when the conversation turned to sex, I found a great disconnect, where the rest rang the truth bell, it felt like the word “male” would need to proceed “sexual experience” as I couldn’t really relate... interesting, I suspect I will be ruminating on that for the rest of the day.
absolutely wordless
Jeffrey are you also Scooby the TH-cam body builder? You lool like Scooby! That's wild! Anyway I love the show, been a fan since youth! Thanks buddy!
Thank you
42:00 Interesting.
THOUGHT: Did ancient Greeks like Tragedy because it reaffirmed gratitude in the self and thus gave powerful experience???
I read ‘The Outsider’ at age 19, and I have been grateful to Mr. Colin Wilson all these decades. I do, however, find the last chapter in said book utterly awful.
I keep thinking Alfred Adler started the healthy thinking direction... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Adler
Yes, he did, or at least he was an early proponent of it. Otto Rank too. But they still worked within a context of deficiency. Maslow went a step further and began with the idea of health.
@@GaryLachmanThere's also a way of looking at (at least some so-called) deficiencies as manifestations of health, understood as the capacity for advanced development. We observe it in artists and mystics and exemplars of high moral development who, more often than not, undergo periods of sometimes significant and prolonged psychological instability manifesting as self-doubt, inner conflicts, neuroses and even psychosis, only to emerge from them transformed, as if catapulted into higher levels of development. That's another way crises contribute to inner transformation. If you have nothing better to do, look up positive disintegration, the psychological process and the theory describing it, created by Polish psychiatrist and psychologist Kazimierz Dabrowski. It is believed that Maslow was to acknowledge Dabrowski's theory as the "missing link" in his own conceptualization of mental health.
I loved this talk.
Building our internal imagination seems like it would relate well to Berkeley's immaterialism
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I think the key here is to take the time to program your own robot.
"What if life is an escape from something that lies waiting for us on the other side?"Religion and the Rebel
Schopenhauer was also Nietzsche's mentor.
Some of us have achieved higher living standards. At the expense of most of us for most of human history.
Wow new Kratom news this show is remarkable.....this gentlemen is so good.😀
We are not on earth to be honored or dignified this is a place where we are sent to be shamed maligned debased and mortified.
Especially if you grow up in New Jersey.
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As much as I admire Gary's work, I wish interviewers (not just you, Dr. Mishlove) would interupt him from time to time. After a while, my mind just saturates and can't hear a word he's saying. :|
Suicide is the pursuit of ultimate experience. To do the most lively thing for a living thing and die. Maybe we should try to make life more about living instead fo selling out and building a shitty society.
I think Colin Wilson could be a good writer, but his later work was often too commercial and pulpy... Still enjoyable. Not so keen on his fiction but I have read a lot of that.
Woo it's a party!
'Women are different from men' - not PC - no, just a fact. Hence 'a woman' and 'a man'. I think you're still safe to state the obvious Gary! :)
These days I'm not so sure.
yay. i found the new thinking allowed utube.
No, Bernard Shaw was Irish, duh...
Escape LA.... Jeffrey...escaping LA😀