All the Group B rally cars were something very special and an amazing feat of engineering. Even today, building something as rugged and ridiculously fast as these cars were would be an amazing achievement. Let alone over 20 years ago! Not to mention the people who actually drove these monsters...
The beauty and the beast ! .. beautiful cars , and a hidden beast within them .. it's like there's no limits or cut off's for their scary engine power boosted by a turbo that create the balls of fire that we see often coming out from their exhausts .. amazing engeneering !
the first clip is amazing man but thats mainly because its a quattro but the sound matched with the skid marks and the guy holding is head as the fire breathing monster hurttles towards the next corner while the spectators stand almost the racing line is the perfect video discription of the group B eara
The normal Sport Quattro was the road version, the one used in the beginning of Group B was dubbed S1, the one with the big spoiler and splitter was the next one called S1 E2.
the S1's 5 cylinder engine sounds like a V10! Great noise! Should have included footage of the Audi Quattros as they were the rivals for the 037. Imprudent spectators (like the guy who stands right in front of the speeding S1 to take pictures) made Group B disappear.
The first rally quattro was just a quattro modified for rally. from 1983 the Group B evolutions of the quattro where used: the A1 and A2. After that the sport quattro was used called S1 and the final version, the one with the big wings, is called S1 E2 :D
According to Wikipedia, The Audi Quattro S1 has a 2110 cc turbo straight-5 making 450 PS. The Lancia Delta S4, like you said, has the 1759 CC turbo-supercharged 4 cylinder engine.
guys, these two as well as the other GR.B cars are all great and best in there own ways, dont 4get that by todays standards the S1 would not even be in the same group as the rest due to there configuration, that fact that a dissavantaged S1 could be made to go as quick as the rest, just shades the audi as the best car in my humble opinion, long live the grandaddy of them all
In terms of beauty, I think both the sport quattro and the 037 are the nicest. In terms of sound I prefer the audis, but if I had to pick only one, that would be the beast of abarth, the Lancia S4!
Lancia gave rallying styling and a car with a supercharger and turbocharger in it. Audi gave rallying 4WD and a car with an amazing soundtrack ohh and a hot chick to drive it Michèle Mouton... its your pick id take the audi
Delta S4 ,I'm sorry for those who think the contrary, was the best group B car. it was light ,crazy acceleration in every r.p.m. because of super and turbo charged.the only one of the story with such configuration. the Ing. Lombardi (btw the creator of RSV4 Aprilia engine) is a f....in genius! he was 30 years ahead of everyone .. In the 1986 they were already testing a new evolution of engine, people look for on google " triflux engine" , it's a very modern configuration of turbo engine
The Delta S4 is a very impressive race car, but i think that the peugeot205 T16 was better in the handling department. It was shown in european rallycross, especially with matti alamaki who drove both cars.
The car that they wanted to put on s-group was called ECV (experimental Composite Vehicle) and it had 600 hps but I cannot tell for certain how much there truly were... and I know that the group-s was limited to "only" 300 hps
guys...:)reading your posts, you seem both to be right, but mayve you didn't found the rught way to tell it:)the extra weight gives extra stability on straigths, but increases the moment of inertia on a turn.yes, with +300kg, you get more grip,but,due to bigger inertia, you'll end up with less handling on sharp turns than a -300kg chassis. plus, it's harder to accelerate 1200kg with the same engine as it is for 900kg,aslo it takes longer to break the extra weight.
Ah and don't forget to look for also " Lancia ecv1 and ecv2" the evolutions of S4 , built with composite materials and with 800 hp engine power ,triflux engine of course, enjoy it!
I read somewhere that in the S4 they had something like 490 horsepowers... there were at least that 450hps.. and in this banned S-group car they had something like 600 hps And audi build twin-turbo version of S1 with more than 1000 hps
for me the Audi Quattro was ... the brain the technique ... the Lancia Delta the heart and soul ... ... all the others have tried ... ... to stand behind ... ...!
Delta S4 was clearly faster than Audi S1, S4 won the first two rallyes it entered and it had quicker stage times on rallies when competed to S1. Actually Peugeot 205 T16 was also faster than Audi S1. Peugeot won the 1986 championship on the fact it was more reliable than Lancia and Lancia also lost it's star driver Henri Toivonen in fatal crash at Corsica so the team was demoralized and I suspect that after that Alen and Biasion never felt confident enough to push the Delta to it's true limit.
I think Audi was the slowest car ever. It got very slow. How could he compete? How do the Germans think this? When the lancia and the audi are on a video, and the two are already offensive to the Italian engineers! I think it's like a joke!
The S4 was not an evolution of anything, they only called it the delta after the already existing delta series for marketing purposes, but it was nothing like any car they made before or since, it was definitely nothing like the 037. It merely replaced the 037 for competition in group b.
well ur right and ur wrong to, the one used at the begining of group b was the LWB quattro not the sport quattro, but yes ur right the SWB quattro was the s1 and the big wing car the E2, my mistake.
omg check out the very first part of the clip where the lancia takes the corner going full out.. lol the one guy is holding his head, i would too if i see that, and the sound, fuck.. very nice
you are right, but just gotta say that the group b wasn't baned, altough my favorite car is s4, i think that the rs200 will be the fastest. but they did not have time for full developt...
2nd. issue:handling. Centrifugal force = mass x speed / curve radius; Friction= massx friction coeff x 9.81. try to figure it out, what means better handling by calculating how centrifugal force increases directly with mass, and friction increases only with a fraction of a mass...m x u x g= m x v /r. i really wonder why in F1 they add wings, to add downforce, when, according to your theory, they should fill the cars with helium :)
The delta s4 was faster through the stages than the audi, but the audi was more brutal. But the delta s4 was also really spectakular. I love all of the group B cars its really hard to say wich group B car tahts the best but my favourite is the audi if i must pick only one. the 037 and the audi was much like the reverse of each other and the delta s4 like a mid one. The 037 was way more reliable than the audi and could turn faster in tight corner because it was shorter, lighter only RWD.
u seem to 4get that the S1 had major heating probs, and lead a few rallies b4 succumbing to reliabity issues, and infact lead the S4 and T16 in 1985 RAC driven by Hannu, also Walter also lead in the S1 in monte carlo b4 tyre issues lost him plenty of time the 86 S1 was quicker the the T16 in san remo both on gravell and tarmac.
Friction=mass x gravity acceleration(9.81)x friction coeff (u=0.3...0.8 depending of the surfaces in contact). how did you come to the conclusion that more weight means less grip ? :) take a 9th grade science book, you'll be surprised of what you'll find there. also, friction coeff is the same for same materials, no matter the masses involved.
How very little you know about rally sport to make a statement like that, The 037 was no match for the S1 (maybe on tarmac) the late S1were very much a match for the s4 and t16 and as a matter of fact STILL holds the 0-60 time. The Audi was dogged by overheating, but lead 3-4 rallies b4 going out with problems. Please only make comments when you have, and understand the basic priciples of a sport. Dont polute this area with garbage.
so let's talk about the highest evolution cars. all of these 3 shown cars are amazing, also the mg metro 6r4. but the delta s4 and the 205 t16 e2 were rallycars in their owm division. the audi sport quattro e2 was maybe the best show-car but it was less fast, then peugeot and lancia. problem was the frontengine and because of that the understeering, the audi was to close to a normal street car, the handling was poor. the peugeot and lancia were pure mid-engined racecars, only built to win.
What?? Ferrari don't make any works to the Lancia037! Lancia Squadra Corse and Cesare Fiorio was the best team in the world rally for over 20 years. don't confuse, Ferrari only give a engine for the stratos in mid '70s (and this was completly re-works by Lancia). And btw Please don't confuse true legends in Rally like Lancias with other "cold-box"...
''Good but not enough''? if you talk only for 037 and s4.The sound and the speed is nothing in rally the weight its more important lancia got much more wins in stages.But if talking about Lancia you are totally wrong its now the best and most successful rally team in the world!
But the audi was much stronger than the 037 but also a bit heavier. On straight lines and upphills it was better than 037. But the delta s4 was faster than both of them but still not stronger and more brutal than audi.
@FannyWC ok the peugeot 205 turbo 16v gruppe b winns much more rallys,then the audi s1!!!!and walter sayd:in totality the l lancia 037 was better then the s1!
Ferrari helped to a Lancia with a beutiful 037, maby a Delta S4 was faster, bud the AUDI Quattro S1 is best WRC for me... for Design... yes, the Peugeot, Lancia, Ford had a better aerodynamic, but who doesn't know the car with face like brutals beast in HB color...At least...soud? Don't exist better, sound on the world... the 5 in-line cylinder mechanical concert with wisttle the "KKK" trumpet, suported "psst psst" takts of pop-of ventil and shot from the exhaust... Unimitabe symphony... :-)
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Such a unique sound on those Audis, love it.
All the Group B rally cars were something very special and an amazing feat of engineering.
Even today, building something as rugged and ridiculously fast as these cars were would be an amazing achievement. Let alone over 20 years ago!
Not to mention the people who actually drove these monsters...
The beauty and the beast ! .. beautiful cars , and a hidden beast within them .. it's like there's no limits or cut off's for their scary engine power boosted by a turbo that create the balls of fire that we see often coming out from their exhausts .. amazing engeneering !
the first clip is amazing man but thats mainly because its a quattro but the sound matched with the skid marks and the guy holding is head as the fire breathing monster hurttles towards the next corner while the spectators stand almost the racing line is the perfect video discription of the group B eara
Maybe not the best group B car, but the most spectacular one.
the lancia maybe is the best car...but..the audi quattro S1...is a monster...the power..the sound...is amazing...one legend
The normal Sport Quattro was the road version, the one used in the beginning of Group B was dubbed S1, the one with the big spoiler and splitter was the next one called S1 E2.
Great Job! Lancia Delta s4 is the best rally car of the history
0:04 is amazing!!!!!!!!
Wow wow wow....che proiettili....spettacolo!!!
the S1's 5 cylinder engine sounds like a V10! Great noise!
Should have included footage of the Audi Quattros as they were the rivals for the 037.
Imprudent spectators (like the guy who stands right in front of the speeding S1 to take pictures) made Group B disappear.
The first rally quattro was just a quattro modified for rally. from 1983 the Group B evolutions of the quattro where used: the A1 and A2. After that the sport quattro was used called S1 and the final version, the one with the big wings, is called S1 E2 :D
Great cars!
S1, 037 and S4 all great cars, but Lancia Martini Racing is simply the best team in rally history!
According to Wikipedia, The Audi Quattro S1 has a 2110 cc turbo straight-5 making 450 PS. The Lancia Delta S4, like you said, has the 1759 CC turbo-supercharged 4 cylinder engine.
it would be very nice to see again both audi and Lancia fight "dancing" close to the limit on the world rally roads
That's one hard question to answer! ;)
guys, these two as well as the other GR.B cars are all great and best in there own ways, dont 4get that by todays standards the S1 would not even be in the same group as the rest due to there configuration, that fact that a dissavantaged S1 could be made to go as quick as the rest, just shades the audi as the best car in my humble opinion, long live the grandaddy of them all
In terms of beauty, I think both the sport quattro and the 037 are the nicest. In terms of sound I prefer the audis, but if I had to pick only one, that would be the beast of abarth, the Lancia S4!
Yeah, in those times the grass was greener and the trees were bigger!=)
Lancia gave rallying styling and a car with a supercharger and turbocharger in it.
Audi gave rallying 4WD and a car with an amazing soundtrack ohh and a hot chick to drive it Michèle Mouton...
its your pick id take the audi
Muy de acuerdo!
Delta S4 ,I'm sorry for those who think the contrary, was the best group B car. it was light ,crazy acceleration in every r.p.m. because of super and turbo charged.the only one of the story with such configuration. the Ing. Lombardi (btw the creator of RSV4 Aprilia engine) is a f....in genius! he was 30 years ahead of everyone .. In the 1986 they were already testing a new evolution of engine, people look for on google " triflux engine" , it's a very modern configuration of turbo engine
small correction....centrifugal force = mass X speed^2 /radius. sorry for being distracted :)
The Delta S4 is a very impressive race car, but i think that the peugeot205 T16 was better in the handling department. It was shown in european rallycross, especially with matti alamaki who drove both cars.
The car that they wanted to put on s-group was called ECV (experimental Composite Vehicle) and it had 600 hps but I cannot tell for certain how much there truly were... and I know that the group-s was limited to "only" 300 hps
Lancia and Peugeout simply the best cars on Group B.
Isaac!! They had pit stops during special stages!! So where you saw the Peugeot, there was a pit stop on stage and the peugeot passed the lancia!
guys...:)reading your posts, you seem both to be right, but mayve you didn't found the rught way to tell it:)the extra weight gives extra stability on straigths, but increases the moment of inertia on a turn.yes, with +300kg, you get more grip,but,due to bigger inertia, you'll end up with less handling on sharp turns than a -300kg chassis. plus, it's harder to accelerate 1200kg with the same engine as it is for 900kg,aslo it takes longer to break the extra weight.
Thanx!
Ah and don't forget to look for also " Lancia ecv1 and ecv2" the evolutions of S4 , built with composite materials and with 800 hp engine power ,triflux engine of course, enjoy it!
con que filmastes este video con una batidora..
yoy're doing Toivonen tribute?!? Use something with sad lyrics! always works!
I read somewhere that in the S4 they had something like 490 horsepowers... there were at least that
450hps.. and in this banned S-group car they had something like 600 hps And audi build twin-turbo version of S1 with more than 1000 hps
5:27 It's the best of moment.
Well how much fuel or tyres you consume in 5 lap rally race ?
for me the Audi Quattro was ... the brain the technique ... the Lancia Delta the heart and soul ... ... all the others have tried ... ... to stand behind ... ...!
The 037 was actually only car with rwd ever to win the quattro s1, driven by ofc Markku Alen and Henri Toivonen.
It's depends on a case.. if you want to do a tribute video.. then you can use music but in this kind of video music is not needed
The Group S were only supposed to be 300 bhp. On paper, the S4 probably had like 490, but in reality it reached over 500 bhp's. So they say...
Delta S4 was clearly faster than Audi S1, S4 won the first two rallyes it entered and it had quicker stage times on rallies when competed to S1. Actually Peugeot 205 T16 was also faster than Audi S1. Peugeot won the 1986 championship on the fact it was more reliable than Lancia and Lancia also lost it's star driver Henri Toivonen in fatal crash at Corsica so the team was demoralized and I suspect that after that Alen and Biasion never felt confident enough to push the Delta to it's true limit.
I think Audi was the slowest car ever. It got very slow. How could he compete? How do the Germans think this? When the lancia and the audi are on a video, and the two are already offensive to the Italian engineers! I think it's like a joke!
what a contrast,goliath vs. david lol!!!
The S4 was not an evolution of anything, they only called it the delta after the already existing delta series for marketing purposes, but it was nothing like any car they made before or since, it was definitely nothing like the 037. It merely replaced the 037 for competition in group b.
0:30 .. Crazy people! What were they thinking?
well ur right and ur wrong to, the one used at the begining of group b was the LWB quattro not the sport quattro, but yes ur right the SWB quattro was the s1 and the big wing car the E2, my mistake.
omg check out the very first part of the clip where the lancia takes the corner going full out.. lol the one guy is holding his head, i would too if i see that, and the sound, fuck.. very nice
you are right, but just gotta say that the group b wasn't baned, altough my favorite car is s4, i think that the rs200 will be the fastest. but they did not have time for full developt...
It is B-class Rally, only 200 is enough for production. So S4 was a production car. Only 200 made.
how many times you have watched this? :D
Lancia is the best rally car ever made...Forza Lancia ;)
hehe, nope, it was a 2.2L turbo inline-5 if I'm not mistaken :D
Sounds hot, huh?
the audi s1 is very good
Actually it's not Salonen who speaks...some other driver or manager...(in French) "Just before Start, Saatana Perkele Helvetti(swearing in Finnish)
El AUDI S1 es el mejor auto de rally jamas construido, los campeonatos lo dicen todo.
AUDI, NADA QUE DEMOSTRAR.
2nd. issue:handling. Centrifugal force = mass x speed / curve radius; Friction= massx friction coeff x 9.81. try to figure it out, what means better handling by calculating how centrifugal force increases directly with mass, and friction increases only with a fraction of a mass...m x u x g= m x v /r. i really wonder why in F1 they add wings, to add downforce, when, according to your theory, they should fill the cars with helium :)
The delta s4 was faster through the stages than the audi, but the audi was more brutal.
But the delta s4 was also really spectakular.
I love all of the group B cars its really hard to say wich group B car tahts the best but my favourite is the audi if i must pick only one.
the 037 and the audi was much like the reverse of each other and the delta s4 like a mid one. The 037 was way more reliable than the audi and could turn faster in tight corner because it was shorter, lighter only RWD.
5 cylinder!! That was new infomation... I thought that was 1.8 l(1.7**something) with four cylinders and charged with mechanical and turbo chargers!
Some are from WRCfaaaaan... you can find him from my friends list!
Martini Racing Forever
Peugoet, Lancia, Ford mid- engines rulez group b
and Audi???? front engine, very clever for rally
Where did you get that from .Lancia are owned by Fiat and nothing to do with the French car maker ?
u seem to 4get that the S1 had major heating probs, and lead a few rallies b4 succumbing to reliabity issues, and infact lead the S4 and T16 in 1985 RAC driven by Hannu, also
Walter also lead in the S1 in monte carlo b4 tyre issues lost him plenty of time the 86 S1 was quicker the the T16 in san remo both on gravell and tarmac.
Where`s the sound of the Lancia ?(sounds like a thin)
I only hear the S1 sounds good!
Lancia for ever
I you have 250k worth of extra Euros you can by the S1... and same goes with 037... I haven't seen any S4's on sale!
El 037 es el mas bonito, el S4 el mas rápido y el Audi el mas espectacular
i just wanted a kind of powerfull start ;)
LANCIA is legend
I checked it and it is 1759 cubic centimeters and charged with mechanical and turbo charger...
Friction=mass x gravity acceleration(9.81)x friction coeff (u=0.3...0.8 depending of the surfaces in contact). how did you come to the conclusion that more weight means less grip ? :) take a 9th grade science book, you'll be surprised of what you'll find there. also, friction coeff is the same for same materials, no matter the masses involved.
How very little you know about rally sport to make a statement like that, The 037 was no match for the S1 (maybe on tarmac) the late S1were very much a match for the s4 and t16 and as a matter of fact STILL holds the 0-60 time. The Audi was dogged by overheating, but lead 3-4 rallies b4 going out with problems. Please only make comments when you have, and understand the basic priciples of a sport. Dont polute this area with garbage.
so let's talk about the highest evolution cars.
all of these 3 shown cars are amazing, also the mg metro 6r4.
but the delta s4 and the 205 t16 e2 were rallycars in their owm division.
the audi sport quattro e2 was maybe the best show-car but it was less fast, then peugeot and lancia.
problem was the frontengine and because of that the understeering, the audi was to close to a normal street car, the handling was poor.
the peugeot and lancia were pure mid-engined racecars, only built to win.
Peugeot and Lancia, better chassis, better engines
only Lancia of course!
Peugeot 205T16 E2 and Lancia Delta S4 rulez group B. The winner is 205 T16.
in which year? in 1986 sure not
Lancia Delta S4 > Lancia 037
What?? Ferrari don't make any works to the Lancia037!
Lancia Squadra Corse and Cesare Fiorio was the best team in the world rally for over 20 years.
don't confuse, Ferrari only give a engine for the stratos in mid '70s (and this was completly re-works by Lancia).
And btw Please don't confuse true legends in Rally like Lancias with other "cold-box"...
it was a sport quattro not s1
lancia delta s4 was evolutin of 037, so it was only 20 cars made for the streets...
lancia is the BEST!!!!!!
That was an S1 not a Lancia.
Hmm maybe it was the Audi...
''Good but not enough''? if you talk only for 037 and s4.The sound and the speed is nothing in rally the weight its more important lancia got much more wins in stages.But if talking about Lancia you are totally wrong its now the best and most successful rally team in the world!
But the audi was much stronger than the 037 but also a bit heavier.
On straight lines and upphills it was better than 037.
But the delta s4 was faster than both of them but still not stronger and more brutal than audi.
If I had Audi S1 I wouldn't wash it I would lick it instead.
Delta S 4 0-100Km/h 2,4 s
Martini Racing and Abarth Forever
these s4 and s1s...
un appassionato di meccanica dice sempre e solo S4, anche per il sound
lancia delta s4, ford rs 200 and peugeot 205 t16
are mid-engine cars not rear-engine or stupid
front-engine cars.
AUDI ALLL THE WAY..
Actually yes hi did!! Then I've found something else myself.. by searching vids from the Web!
lancia 037 won the championship!!!
Lancia = LEGGENDA
Audi = Buono, ma non abbastanza
eh eh eh
Sorry my mistake... the S1 NOT THE S4 :D
@FannyWC ok the peugeot 205 turbo 16v gruppe b winns much more rallys,then the audi s1!!!!and walter sayd:in totality the l lancia 037 was better then the s1!
I think it's the because of the quality of of sound in original videos were already bad...
soz
0:04 -> O.O
Ferrari helped to a Lancia with a beutiful 037, maby a Delta S4 was faster, bud the AUDI Quattro S1 is best WRC for me... for Design... yes, the Peugeot, Lancia, Ford had a better aerodynamic, but who doesn't know the car with face like brutals beast in HB color...At least...soud? Don't exist better, sound on the world... the 5 in-line cylinder mechanical concert with wisttle the "KKK" trumpet, suported "psst psst" takts of pop-of ventil and shot from the exhaust... Unimitabe symphony... :-)
Audin 5 sylinterisissä, varsinkin just s1 konetekniikka 2,2 litraa ja turbo mukavine kikatuksineen kyl on niin kopioimaton ja upea ääni että huhhuh!
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