Intel Lunar Lake = peak efficiency? A new direction for 2024!
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- Intel's next-gen SOC for thin and light devices is here ... well, kind of.
While it may be a few more months before you can actually buy notebooks running with the new Lunar Lake silicon, they did give us an early deep dive during #computex2024
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This just shows that is not that they couldn't before, they just didn't want to. Good on Apple and Qualcom for kicking Intel and AMD back on gear, this will be an exciting year!
Holiday season 2024 will be on fire!
love it, intel and amd going after qualcom, let the competition begin
We are the ones to benefit.
@@NotebookcheckReviews exactly, we consumers are gonna get hella thin windows laptops with exceptional battery life never seen before, no matter it's arm or x86
nVidia will also enter the market in 2025. Competition with ARM vs x86 will ramp up in the next year or two!
Let the IPC and power efficiency war begin.
MediaTek also going after qualcom.
3.5x better gpu in less than 2 years from the monopoly who did basically no improvements for a decade?
It is rare to see Intel rush improvements like that.
That is competition is doing.
Imagine if amd didn't innovative or if apple didn't kick intel out of MacBook. Intel needed kick in but
They got a new CEO who is actually an engineer so that helps.
@@matthewfowler6032
Yes since 2021
@@NotebookcheckReviewsRight, but it's a little more cynical than that. Because these kind of ecological improvements wouldn't have been possible if they just started the minute they caught wind of Qualcomm. It's almost like they were waiting to be seriously challenged before they wanted to actually produce good products at scale that would lessen the frequency with which people would have to update their machines
Assumptions taken with a pinch of salt viz performance and efficiency, but if they are close to reality, then Snapdragon X Elite will be old news very quickly, and anyone jumping into the X-Elite may want to wait for Intel and AMD releases. Price will be another factor, but counter that with Intel being better optimised for Windows.
Anyone thinking about buying now would be foolish; 2024 Intel and AMD have so far been a gap stop. Wait for Q4 and maybe a price war-M4 is incoming then as well-and get a much better ultrabook for cheaper than the current messy lineup.
Yes, for sure. This holiday season will be very, very interesting!
agreed, except that I doubt that either X series or Intel /AMD will be old news anytime soon, I see a good war in next couple of years that will benefit everyone and put Windows hardware much closer the the currently superior (in terms of performance per watt) Apple's hardware
If you always wait for the newest tech you can never buy anything ;). I was planning to buy a Meteor Lake laptop (X1 Carbon Gen12), but I am glad I waited until X Elite. Meteor lake performance running on battery is just embarrassing (50% performance drop). I preordered a Yoga Slim 7x (32GB Ram). Proper Lunar Lake laptops will be available earliest end of year and most OEM have their release cycle Q1 2025 and I will receive my X Elite in two weeks. Goodybe Intel.
@@MF-pn1gg I would not pre-order any new architecture before it is properly reviewed, so you are brave jumping in. I waited a few months before I went M1 MB Pro 13 to see what the pros and cons were and it turned out to be good for me.
Good luck!
N.B. Yes, of course, you are right; at one point you have to step in and buy something, and X Elite is better than AMD and Intel 2024 releases to date.
2025 will be the peak of the chip market. Strix Halo, X2 Elite, M4 coming to Macbooks, and the most interesting thing - Panther Lake, expected to show all the results of the Royal Core project.
Just like with the new Ryzen chips, wait for the real-life, in-hand reviews. Never trust what a corporation is shouting regarding their new hotness from the rooftops. Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Apple, MediaTek, etc have all been caught lying about performance and efficiency pre-release. Honesty doesn't pay the stockholders.
Yeah, this early it should never influence your buying decision.
Yet, the fact that we have exciting options from all sides will be great for consumers!
I love the idea of where we are in windows and linux land, now power, efficiency, fan noise, and heat will determine which laptop to buy
Exactly, let us see later this year!
This is awesome, Intel is innovating like they should have been prior to loosing marketshare with Apple Silicon and Qualcomm. I have a feeling Lunar Lake is gonna be really good. I would like to see a 64GB version not limited to just 32GB. Lunar Lake with 64GB of ram and a RTX 4070 sounds like a nice ass machine to me.
Was hoping for TB5 guarantee on the chip
Yeah, would have made it sense, but it apparently was some careful between cost and what devices are actually available.
Apple Silicon hasn't managed to wake up Intel (12th, 13th, and 14th gen have been a disappointment in terms of efficiency). Let's hope Qualcomm will manage to do what Apple couldn't do for intel...
Do not forget that such an architectural change does happen overnight, and apparently, Lunar Lake has been in development for quite a while!
@@NotebookcheckReviews Yes, but Apple Silicon has been a thing for 4 years already and Intel has been working on their hybrid architecture for 3 years with the only advatange being performance and not efficiency... They have been promising much better efficiency for years... since Nuvia was still an independend firm.... They knew Qualcomm was coming with this for a while and Lunar lake is not even ready yet. Let's hope that at least it will be competitive in efficiency with Qualcomm and Apple this time...(I am not ready to bet a lot of money on it at this time, but I hope to be positively surprised)
@@_DigitalguyAgreed. Intel is the quintessential massive ocean tanker that takes aaaggeeeessssss to change direction. They’ve failed to deliver efficiency for years so now they’re right at the back of the classroom & nearest the door. If they don’t deliver in the next 12-18 mths they’ll be standing outside in the corridor.⌛️
Lunar Lake looking good, cant wait to try it out
Same, same!
I will buy Lunar Lake gaming laptop. My laptop is slightly old ... 😊
no lineup, no release dates, slides of promises only
Pretty much what Qualcomm did for the better part of last year ;)
The only thing we know about x86 next gen is that AMD Granite Ridge will come out in July, but it could be the 1st or the 31st. They didn't say anything about Strix apart from the TDP, the 12 and 10 cores variants, and a bunch of performance claims against competition. "Slides of promises" only, with even less tech info about Zen 5 architecture compared to Intel Lunar Lake. Even Qualcomm did it better back in October, at least they talked about efficiency using numbers measured in their labs, and not words. I think this year, the AMD presentation for consumer products has been the worse among the others, apart from Nvidia.
Intel has provided deeper information about Lunar Lake than AMD which is a company which wants to become Intel. But father is father ... 😊
They are claiming coming out for laptop refreshes end of this year, start of next year.. likely December/January ... likely around CES
@@engineeringVirtue I think that we should wait for Intel's processor too. Then the consumers would have a choice between Intel and AMD. Both of these enemy processors should be considered before the consumers buy their laptop which becomes an even more important decision if you are buying a gaming grade laptop. :)
My 7th gen Intel core laptop was literally a oven running hot, noisy and with very little battery backup.
Let us hope that this will improve drastically with the new generation!
Lets hope the RAM upgrade price is not that high as Apple. I recently bought a new laptop where the RAM is soldererd and the upgrade to 32 gigs was only €50 and to 1tb ssd was also €50 considering only a 2242 ssd fits. I am curious if the 4p/4e core variant is a top of the line CPU or the same strategy as the X elite is applied with different versions of the same CPU
I'm rooting for better quality X86 CPUs from AMD and Intel. I'd hate to lose old games and work software files to ARM.
Nice direction, Intel 👍
Let us see what these chips can deliver in actual devices.
Intel is going psycho. He rebuilt Lunar Lake from zero ... 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Intel and AMD are going crazy at the Competition، Intel has changed everything with the design from meteor lake that was less than one year ago.
Indeed, it is quite a departure.
And Meteor lake still sucks. Running on battery you have a 50% performance drop (X1 Carbon Gen 12).
Well... not "everything", thankfully! It's still using CISC x86, so that's a plus!
Lunar Lake architecture is not an incremental architecture upon Meteor Lake. Intel thought that let me make Lunar Lake architecture from the ground up ... 😊
How much power will it draw when you load all cores with BOINC?
going from 6+8 of MTL to 4+4 in Lunar lake, these new cores must have some great gains if they outperform last gen at numerical disadvantage.
Why would they need to necessarily outperform meteor lake? Intel is aiming for better efficiency for thin and light devices here. You usually can not have it both way, more performance AND higher efficiency.
@@NotebookcheckReviews that depends on the power level that is compared, these CPUs can scale from around 10 watt up to mid 40's and even beyond for short duration. Remember that MTL is designed for the same devices that lunar lake is designed for, if Lunar lake is only better at very low or low power consumption, but falls short at higher tdp that these devices allow those chips to scale, then it might be less useful for people who require mix of both power efficiency and performance. We'll have to see devices based on the new processors and then conclude how well they perform across different scenarios.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Because Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite is specifically going for the 6+8 MTL config performance target wise - single and multi core. If this Lunar Lake chip is SLOWER, that'd be a bad look.
All cores are not equal. Let's wait for benchmarks.
I want intel come back to be real
We will see soon!
Is it worth holding out on buying something like the new AMD Zenbook or Yoga7 and wait for these chips? I don't see the Qualcom ARM chips being using tbh.
Yeah got the same question cause the New Amd Zenbook does sound appealing but these chips aswell so its really a struggle for laptop search since the whole laptop market basically changed
Good question. I would say if you look into a thin & light device, there will be a ton of new devices for this holiday season, and with so much competition, it might even translate to competitive prices ...
But that is, of course, just guesswork for now.
@@NotebookcheckReviews for me the issue is that i need or more would like to have a new laptop since my current laptop has massiv thermal and fan issues because i made the stupid mistake of choosing a Gaming laptop for school and am currently studying CS so a powerful and quiet device would be great and so i have been looking at the Zenbook 14 oled ultra core 9 But seeing how these cpus are evolving it also seems like an money waste seeing the lunar lake is around like 40% improvment right ? but there is also alot of time till notebooks like this come out and the opting of softwares and drivers what do you think would be good for me ?
Lol, there is always better something coming in future :). I was planning to buy a Meteor Lake laptop, but I am glad I waited until X Elite. I preordered a Yoga Slim 7x. Proper Lunar Lake laptops will be available earliest end of year and most OEM have their release cycle Q1 2025 and I will receive my X Elite in two weeks. Goodybe Intel.
@@NotebookcheckReviews and yes i also think holiday season is going to be crazy i think especially end of year didnt intel announce or say that lunar lake should be released in Q3 and arrow lake in Q4 And there were i think snapdragon x and amd announcements not sure
8 threads (and only 4 fast) is low for productivity but if battlemage delivers it can be interesting for handhelds :)
Then again, how much pure CPU grunt do you need for such thin & light devices?
I just saw the MSI Claw, which will come with Lunar Lake ... that will be interesting.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Wow, I remembered claw just after posting and thought that it flopped so hard no one will risk it - and yet you are right, only msi can - this WILL be interesting.
@@truenetgmxtbh in the Ultrabook space as well, performance per watt is now the key metric.
@@AyoHues If x86 has to survive fiew more years - yes. But on the other hand, when we had last time 8 thread cpus as the new shiny thing - intel 9gen? Customers like bigger numbers and competition has them all. Not hating on intel, we just live in interesting times :)
@@truenetgmx Yes, indeed. Interesting times because it’s a major reset and step change for Intel & AMD. They have been forced to pivot away from ‘more cores, higher clock speeds & TDPs’ to something more nuanced i.e. efficiency. Which has been the elephant in the room up to now. Apple Silicon & Snapdragon have shown the way and the x86 guys are playing catch up. AMD is ahead out of the blocks so let’s see if Intel can catch up. But there’s a ton of other big changes happening too. Nvidia are starting to pivot away from GPUs while SoCs and iGPUs look set to take over in the next few years. And many other game changers coming down the line…🍿🍿🍿
let's see if Intel's thesis holds up, I have my doubts
Let's see. What they showed us looks promising, but it is definitely too early to tell!
@@NotebookcheckReviews if you guys say so, then I have hope!
@0:09 By "Intel invited us", do you mean there was any form of sponsorship to come to the invitation? Or you went on your costs completely with zero incentives from Intel? Please be truthful and transparent in your response! Thank you, Marco.
OK, you answered it later in your video. Intel paid for your flight and hotel :) the messaging in your video woll be biased as you obviously need to secure your tickets for next time in Taipei 🙄🙄
I totally get your impression, and I can only tell you that I did my very best to convey the information we were provided with.
In the end, is there really a way to be unbiased about Lunar Lake for now since the only information provided for the new architecture is from Intel itself?!
The time to objectively examine what these chips can do will be later, when we have the chance to evaluate actual devices.
@@NotebookcheckReviews I think it will be tough. When you connect all the dots, it all boils down to "Intel sponsored this video". Is there a way to be truly unbiased? Yes, don't accept the sponsorship. But I get it, getting a free ticket and all is great. However, the consequence is, from this point, it's impossible to be unbiased. This is how humans and marketing work. At least for this video, viewers probably won't fully trust the content.
Again, you are entitled to your opinion, and I understand your reasoning.
But if Intel sponsored this video, they would have paid us for it, there would have been an obligation to post it, and they would have given us a talking point and, to some extent, they would have had some control over the content.
They had not; it was plain and simple: a press invitation to several sessions happening before Computex.
I attended those and compiled the information from these sessions into this video, that's it! :)
@@NotebookcheckReviews I think you are kot getting the point: If Intel paid for your flight and hotel, you basically saved money. Your wallet would have been a few thousand dollars lighter had you paid all that yourself. We can this "benefit in kind". You don't get money transferred to your bank account, but you get the funds in a different way and it's simple, if you bash their product, you ain't easily getting another free flight to Taipei next. I'm just helping you understand that the content may not be trusted blindly considering rhe sponsorship background.
2:27 Sigh... that's a bummer , i was hoping these would ship with the new CAMM2 standard ram
Well, I guess that would be too difficult to integrate within the package.
CAMM2 has its own board, so it could be better for ultrabooks. It may, in time, slim down, but at the moment, it is for larger laptops like gaming and pro machines. It is also still expensive, at least 2-3X more expensive than soldered RAM, with a 32-GB board costing circa $280. With economies of scale, the price will come down in time, but for ultrabooks, why push prices up $150+ for CAMM2 when it has zero performance advantages over soldered RAM?
That would be nice, but change takes time. This was probably in prototyping phase for about 2 to 3 years now. I would love to see it scaled up to 8P cores + 8e Cores and a 128-bit bus paired with 32 Xe Cores to match a laptop 4060. only time will tell.
@@andyH_England it's not just 0 advantages, but a disadvantage from a performance perspective. The on-die RAM for Lunar Lake is 8533 MT/s, while Crucial is selling 7500 MT/s.
Not for thin and light - if you want to save power, you put the DRAM chips closest as possible to the processor.
You should opt for higher performance processors like strix point/strix halo or arrow lake.
So you are saying that Lunar Lake architecture is not an incremental architecture upon Meteor Lake. Intel thought that let me make Lunar Lake architecture from the ground up ... 😊
I have a gut feeling Qualcomm SoC will be DOA, windows is still lackluster and microsoft still doesn't seem to think it is important to encourage more arm native apps and seem satisfied with emulation( didn't even put much emphasis on it in their marketing). x86 will almost always beat arm in terms of raw performance and until recently we have never really seen an efficient x86 SoC because they didn't have an incentive to make one but thanks to Apple silicon now both intel and amd seem to put more efforts on it.
THis whole A.I buzz is just to distract consumers from the fact that chips have already saturated all benefits they can gain from architecture improvements and shrinking the chip size , don't expect any drastic performance improvement after 4nm or 5nm .
The biggest thing that will encourage arm native apps is arm hardware worth using.
They are allowing linux out of the box.
I have a gut feeling that this comment will age very poorly, we have already a lot of native apps (there is a website with all of them) and the new emulation is much better than the previous
I must agree, performance should not be the sole focus of such low-powered chips anymore. I would argue that modern chips are fast enough for almost anything you could(want) do with such a thin & light laptop.
@@_Digitalguy Those are native apps for Apple silicon not windows on arm afaik. Windows on arm native apps mostly comprise of Microsoft's own apps , Adobe's and Da Vinci resolve and a few entertainment apps. They only have native support for most commonly used apps , not most apps as they feel their emulation is sufficient for those.
What is official launch date for lunar lake ?
Q3 this year.
Would love some side by side reviews of lunar and AMD Strix point
We will defintily do that, once we get our hands on final samples!
Alex, did you get to use one of the laptops with the new CPU? If so, what were your impressions of the performance and battery life?
Not yet, it will be a few more weeks before we will get final samples.
@@NotebookcheckReviews I hope the time waiting will be worth it.
Don't you think the design looks so similar to Apple Silicon especially with the RAM soldered right beside the processor. And welcome all pc users to future unupgradable RAM in notebooks.
How many people will be fired in 2025 for gaming, when they're supposed to be working?
Last chance for Intel probably
Compatible with linux?
Everything usually is
Thank you for giving us this information about new Intel Chips. With all the upcoming new architecture regarding AI it becomes for simpel users like me more and more intransparent, which Notebook to buy. I would see my use-cases more in direction of „content creation“. Which means higher performance at CPU and GPU plus expandable RAM for sure. Local storage above 1TB is necessary. Now with the new NPU I am quite confused, how to tread them in my new notebook evaluation… Really everything becomes more and more complex 😢
2:34 : It's like Apple M Chips 😅. I mean integrated RAM into Processor
It does make a lot of sense when it comes to efficiency and performance.
RAM is the most reliable component on a motherboard now, so there is no reason for it to be modular other than to appease a niche demographic that wants to buy a base model and upgrade cheaply.
@@andyH_EnglandBit more than a niche. Right to repair is a decent principle especially for brands that flaunt their sustainability credentials. And let’s see how many OEMs resist the Apple route of charging extortionately for RAM & memory upsells. 😏
I actually don't mind it in terms of efficiency. I'm looking for a reason to switch back to Windows.
Integrating all silicon in one place increases speed ... 😊
Watching this video only because of reviewer 😳
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@@NotebookcheckReviews 💙
Sounds like Intel just tries to close the gap to the AMD Ryzen Zen 4 xx40U-CPUs which are already available?
Meteor Lake pretty much did that!
@@NotebookcheckReviews Well, but it looks like there is still no Meteor Lake Laptop on the market which is as silent as the HP Elitebook 845 G10 (AMD 7x40U) with it's almost noiseless fan solution - or did I miss something?
Intel has traditionally better thermal performance and Intel processors run traditionally cooler than AMD counterparts ... ❤🎉😊
@@anantmalik you are right regarding Desktop CPUs, but for Mobile CPUs the AMD Zen4 (4nm) are more efficient than any current Intel CPU.
@@gunta. Efficiency and thermal performance and running cool are different things my friend. Intel processors on desktops and laptops have a reputation of running cooler and AMD has a reputation that Ryzen processors become hot. :)
Show me the receipts.
where are the gaming benchmarks?
you start by admitting that they paid for your stay and then immediately follow up by saying you're gonna be fair and that they do not have any influence on your review. If you give a negative review, guess what, next time they won't sponsor you... We are not children.
Yep, so u can also checkout Gamer Nexus / Linus Tech Tips
Never ingest only 1 source of review
Your takeaway from what I said is entirely up to you. I simply wanted to be transparent. Again, if you trust us,well, it is entirely your decision.
I never bought the whole X86 is dead BS.
Good, if there is one thing I want more than anything else for my CPU/APU is more A.I. power! /s
Anyway, I do hope Intel does well, the tech world needs a good powerful Intel presence, but FFS do something about your drivers INCLUDING very old software support.
Ah yes, copilot. One of the reasons my next Windows PC will not have any personal info on.
Yeah, if somebody mentions AI for one more time during computex, I might loose it! :D
I second this. This psychotic repetition of AI ten thousand times by these companies is getting on my nerves grr ... 😂
Even Intel's on the act now. So the way to beat Apple's strategy, is to adopt Apple's strategy.
Seems so!
7840U is still 👍🏻
It sure is!
Cool, no Thunderbolt 5 again. Hope the Lenovo Thinkbook with Oculink reaches western market at least this time.
What I want in my life is a stand-alone VR gaming headset. Could Intel help to bring that to the market ?
Welcome mr german man
Welcome, good sir!
wow Intel, welcome to 2020 M1. After 8 years, something worthwhile and false promise of meteor lake power efficiency
In a way you're right. They are basically copying many features of the m series... But they also have a ton of new innovation of their own
I am waiting for the nvidia mediatek laptop soc next year!!! Best graphics performance with low power arm cpu and npu!!
All sounds good but can a 4 + 4 core really keep up with AMD's new mobile chips coming out this August? I don't see how.
Does it need to? I do not think Lunar Lake is a direct competitor for AMD Strixpoint.
These new Ryzen 5 chips will most likely run at much higher wattages and can also be combined with a dedicated GPU.
Lunar Lake is aimed at super thin and small devices much more focused on portability.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Its coming out later and is lesser. I think many consider such performance. Time will tell but I think Intel is in trouble. Intel and AMD are direct competitors. Apple not as much but their M4 offerings will outshine Intel but though I have both OSX and windows computers I favor windows.
@@randyw.8781 arrow lake will be direct competitor to strix point, although its coming very late compared to strix point but still in time to be paired with next gen gpu. strix point will be available first with only ryzen 9 variant only which i doubt will be affordable.
Lunar Lake using TSMC is the revolution. What does it mean for Intel's heavy investments in its own manufacturing venues?
What WiFi battery duration can we expect for silent x64 tablets?
Intel advertises efficiency as >2x, -40% or >+20% (low power cores at low performance) but which of these numbers are true? All at the same time only seem to contradict each other. So what is the truth? --robert jasiek
While the cores come from TSMC, they are still doing their own packaging.
I do not really see where the marketing material contradicts itself ...
Snapdragon X is the revolution....the others just follow.
Pat made it clear that they want to keep their foundry business separate. So Intel will choose which ever foundry makes sense at the time.
@@MF-pn1gg it's just bigger version of Snapdragon than the ones in the phones.
@@Fordance100 lol, you have absolutely no idea. just google NUVIA.
While chips get faster windows gets slower.
Should be illegal that there isnt any computers ready to be preorder when they announce new chips. AMD and asus did great.
Why would you pre-order something of which you do not know how its going to perform?
@NotebookcheckReviews I liked AMD current strategy. Announce laptops for July 2024 release. Consumers are able to pre-order. However, reviewers like yourself can review thr products 1-2 weeks prior to release. We (consumers) cancel if the product isn't great.
Well, that actually makes sense :D
Second Comment hehe 😜
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ARM processors is just way more efficient than any other processor even if it was 3nm
i hope you're wrong, because the efficiency is never being determined by the ISA a processor use
If that were true, we probably wouldn't be seeing RISC V eating ARM's lunch in so many embedded applications. I'm curious to see when we'll see someone make an aggressive move with high end R5 chips and who it'll be. That could be the long term move for Intel and AMD. In that scenario, it becomes ARM vs. the rest of the world.
I hear “efficiency” every single year. But only Apple actually achieves it.
Minus gaming, AMD's 7000s series battery life was good. People are getting 10 to 12 hours of battery life doing office work and cloud admin work.
Man +14% on lion cove is looking bad against 9800x3d
Non upgradeable ram and 32gb limit are instant no buys.
Intel is good at making promises. Still, without embracing ARM or RISK-V, and with its track record of breaking the promises, I'd wait to see what they can actually deliver. And how far behind their conservative mindset leaves them.
RISC*
And the main thing that's doing is about letting hardware folks make bespoke propose specific bits without ISA licensing, as far as I can see nobody has attempted true general propose compute with that yet.
I'm hopeful the Snapdragon parts will be worth using
@@BillyONeal oops, RISC, sorry. BTW, SiFive for ex. has developed high-performance cores like the U54 Core for general computing applications. Other companies exist, I guess.
@@BriefNerdOriginal SiFive exists but as far as I know they aren't in any shipping products, only development boards and stuff like that. But I admit I'm less informed on how they actually work..
@@BillyONeal apparently Western Digital has been using RISC-V cores in their data storage devices, but is only is exploring their use in general computing applications... But you know what, the chips inside Amazfit smartwatches are based on the RISC-V architecture, and I'm wearing one right now! I wondered how could its battery life be so good 🤓
The last gasps of dying former monopoly kept artificially alive by pentagon money. No glory days for this dinosaur ahead I am sorry to say.
I wouldn't be so sure, to be honest!
You are so wrong, once they complete thr nearshore the
Intel and AMD might have switched sides, but Intel has by no means lost sight of AMD's back.
means no more frameworks laptop with upgradable RAM 🥹
Well if the RAM is integrated with the CHIP, they can still offer a mainboard with a Lunar Lake CPU.