@@philiphart6688 1969. And yeah, on the original recording it would have either been a mellotron or just two flute tracks, but this a live version from much much later (and clearly not by the original lineup).
@@philiphart6688 This is from Steve Hackett's Toyo Tapes vid made in 1996, the original is of course from Crimson's 1969 debut album. Neither Colbeck nor McDonald used a mellotron in this concert. Cheers!
This is a true live performance. Believe me. 60's and 70's musicians were really real artists. They were not studio assisted meh performers based on looks and dancing ability. It really had integrity.
Flautist Ian McDonald (born 25 June 1946) is an English multi-instrumental musician, best known as a founding member of progressive rock band King Crimson in 1969, and of Foreigner in 1976. He is well regarded as a rock session musician, predominantly as a saxophonist. McDonald also plays keyboards, flute, vibraphone and guitar. McDonald served five years in the British Army as a bandsman. His music talent ranged from classical orchestra to dance bands to rock.
The original recording from IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING is double tracked so two flutes are improving as a duet. Very beautiful. You should check iut the original.
It should be remembered that this song was placed on KC's first album between 21st Century Schizoid Man and Epitaph. I listened to this record for the first time in 1975 when I was 15 years old and it was a shocking experience to hear Epitaph's timpani intensify at the end of I Talk to the Wind.
King Crimson, In the Court of the Crimson King, is an Amazing album and is the source/original recording of this song. That entire album was so far ahead of its time, being released in 1969 I believe. A work of genius from beginning to end.
You also have to remember they use a mellotron on the flute setting. The mellotron was an early electric keyboard that actually used audio tape of recordings of actual instruments, usually flute, violin, brass, and sometimes voices, and some various other instruments. So each key had a corresponding length of audio tape with the instrument playing that designated note. King Crimson used it extensively over the years, and they probably use one of the new versions today.
The second flute sound is probably played on a mellotron, King Crimson used a boatload of mellotron on their early albums. Robert Fripp played mellotron almost as much as he guitar.
@rodney Morgan. Actually Fripp only played acoustic and electric guitars on the debut King Crimson album. The person who deserves the mellotron credit is Ian McDonald, Not only did he compose the song but on the Debut album, Ian McDonald played - saxophone, flute, clarinet, bass clarinet, Mellotron, harpsichord, piano, organ, vibraphone, and backing vocals. Ian also wrote or co-wrote all of the songs on the first album, if not for him this epic debut album would have been nothing. It was not until later albums that Fripp experimented with the mellotron, which there was much less use of it and a noticeable difference in quality of performance. Fripp had no other choice because Ian McDonald left the group.
this is not king crimson. This is an ensemble of great musicians that play a King crimson's piece. This is a Steve Hackett's tape recorded in tokyo; only Ian Mc Donald (the fluteplayer) is from the early king crimson
Gianfranco Ludovisi Greg Lake did not play bass on the 2nd album, “In the Wake of Poseidon”. He had left the group to join ELP, as a favor to Robert Fripp he sang on all but 1 song though. Peter Giles played bass on the 2nd album. John Wetton did not join King Crimson until the 5th album “Larks' Tongues in Aspic”, and there were 2 other bass players between Greg Lake and John Wetton. Peter Giles and Gordon Haskell.
Since I prefer the King Crimson era between 1973 - 1975 most, John Wetton is THE KING CRIMSON BASSPLAYER imho - Tony Levin is good though, but Wetton had more energy xD
This is Steve Hackett and Friends Live in Tokyo. They are doing a live cover of King Crimson. Steve is the former guitarist for Genesis. The flutist is Ian MacDonald, and the bass player and vocalist is John Wetton, both former members of King Crimson. This actually is a live performance!
As a Big and Long Time Rock Music Fan of the British Progressive Rock Band, King Crimson, In the Court of the Crimson King Album Released in 1969 is My Favorite, I Enjoyed Watching your Classical Flutist Teacher Reactions of the Flute Playing.
This isn't really King Crimson. It's former members of King Crimson but without a man in glasses, on a stool, playing guitar, and occasionally displaying an all-knowing smirk it isn't King Crimson.
Yeah, I think this is a Steve Hackett live perfomance, around mid 90s, maybe? But hey, at least John Wetton and Ian McDonald were in King Crimson, so that's something :-D
Though I love and respect the musicians playing here, but compared to the original version, this is a strile and rather lifeless version, without the beauty and emotion of the original. Please do yourself a favour and listen to the original version, off the actual album by the great King Crimson.
ACtually Mcdonald wrote this (the music at least) and in fact was slightly more involved in writing than Fripp on ITCOTCA, The first album was very much not only Bob Fripp's band but a band of brilliant musicians.
@@surinaam1186 Lakes version definitely felt more folk-y, not as folk as the true original version. But Wettons definitely has a nice touch due to his deep soothing voice.
John Wetton. Nice. I like the original version with Greg Lake, but I love Wetton, and I've never gotten to hear him sing this one before. So this was a treat.
Another great King Crimson song with a beautiful flute solo is 'Cadence and Cascade,' with Ian McDonald's replacement, sax/flute player Mel Collins; but I don't know of a live version. The studio version is on the band's second album, 'In the Wake of Poseidon.'
Great comments! Had a chuckle when you said this was the first KC tune you have heard...wow, are you in for a surprise! They have some wonderfully beautiful compositions, but also some fabulously unmelodic pieces that make you wonder how they could be played at all. If you were in King Crimson, you were a most excellent musician indeed. Love your channel!
The harmony "flute" at the beginning appears to be from the keyboardist on the far left (Julian Colbeck). You can see him take his hand away from the upper keyboard after that passage. The flutist is Ian McDonald, who wrote the song and played both flute and clarinet on the original King Crimson recording. The singer/bassist is John Wetton, who was in a later version of King Crimson, but ironically never performed this song with them.
It's actually a live track. But it's not King Crimson although they originated the song on In the Court of the Crimson King. Greg Lake sang it on that original album and my friend Judy Dyble who passed away this past Spring sang it on the first recording of it with Giles, Giles & Fripp. John Wetton is singing it here. Not sure what the occasion was, but he was a member of King Crimson as well. I didn't know John, but I know his wife Lisa and my friend Robert Fripp was the composer of this song. It's a beautiful song and evokes many memories. Hope you are well and safe and in good spirit. 💕
Judy Dyble's version is beautiful. I've performed the song numerous times at gigs and it's always that version which I use as my touchstone for the track. You are obviously connected with the Fripp and your name sounds familiar - weren't you a member of the League of Crafty Guitarists?
@Robert Jewell. Robert Fripp did not compose this song. It was composed by the man playing the flute in this video, Ian McDonald. The lyrics were written by Pete Sinfield.
@@edwardjamyangmacarchick1847 Judy Dyble didn't work with King Crimson she sang on "The Brondesbury Tapes" which was with the band Giles, Giles, and Fripp. The album was recorded in 1968, it was scrapped until 2001 when it finally was released. The first album by Giles, Giles, and Fripp did not do so well it sold less than 500 copies, so they were looking to improve the band and they brought in Judy Dyble and Ian McDonald. Judy only sang on 3 of the songs.
The original recording of the song from 1969 used two flutes in a couple of passages, one overdubbed, both played by Ian MacDonald, the man you see playing here. For this live version, the lower part was taken by a keyboard using a flute sample. Flute, of course, is about the easiest instrument sound to synthesize because the wave form is simple. King Crimson's four subsequent albums through 1973 also featured flute, performed by two other players, as well as the occasional bass flute (on the song "Islands"), oboe, and English Horn.
I don't think it's a backing track, but Julian Colbeck is playing keyboards in the background and is likely playing the flute harmony on his keyboards. Ian McDonald can definitely play the flute excellently and he played it on the original 1969 recording. However, this video is from an official live release DVD, and it's often common practice to overdub microphone glitches and mistakes when they release a DVD. Also, this was from a 1996 Steve Hackett Genesis Revisited concert that featured former members of King Crimson but it's not officially King Crimson. It's a pity there's no video of the original King Crimson lineup playing this live back in 1969. The original lineup split up in 1970 and they rarely performed this song live until more recent years by acts that featured former KC members (like this and the "21st Century Schizoid Band"). Mel Collins is in the current lineup of King Crimson and he occasionally plays flute with them live, but I don't think they've played this song yet on their more recent tours. Still see if you can find other King Crimson songs that feature flute. Check out "In the Court of the Crimson King", "Cadence and Cascade", "In the Wake of Poseidon", "Happy Family", "Lady of the Dancing Water", "Formentera Lady", "Lizard" and "Islands". I know that some of these have been performed live more recently by the current KC lineup and you might be able to find videos.
This was a Steve Hackett concert in Japan called the Japan Tapes. Ian McDonald, who is playing the flute, wrote the song with Peter Sinfield while both were with King Crimson. It is very much live.
4:29 it gets interesting 4:47 sees the breathing is real 5:20 senses a solo ~ perhaps 5:52 is the reaction "yeah okay this is real ~ not bad". I love Heline being so real and authentic. She just gave me the thought: talking to the wind is about the flute- the flute talks to the wind. I lost my uncle recently. He was a vet and a drummer and he lived for his daughters and grandkids. This was "our" song. Thanks, Heline bro breathing new life into this song again.
Thanks for the video! A few clarifications: The other flute (and other wind parts) is played by the keyboard player in this live rendition of the song (as someone else already stated, probably a Mellotron). This is not King Crimson, it's Steve Hackett's (the guitarist) super group from a live event later called "The Tokyo Tapes". He's with Chester Thompson (Frank Zappa, Weather Report, Genesis' live drummer), John Wetton (bass and vocals, mostly famous for King Crimson mid 70's line up and Asia), Julian Colbeck (keyboards) and Ian McDonald (wind instruments and keyboards, from the original King Crimson line up). Ian McDonald participated in recording and composing on King Crimson first album, where I Talk To The Wind is the second track (notably one of the few calm and "serene" moments on the LP). He had academic music training, mostly with the army ensemble. He and his friends formed King Crimson because they all could play professionally their instruments (incredibly well, may I add) but in contexts they did not like. With this frustration, they formed a band to do all the stuff they could not previously do or the opposite that mainstrem proposed. He contributed the classical side of the group's music spectrum (and the heaviest screeching moments on his saxophone). He's an incredibly talented musician, I would have been VERY surpised had he needed a backing track. In the Court of the Crimson King (An Observation by King Crimson) is a great album, I suggest a listening to everyone. Cheers from Switzerland! Federinz
There isn't any flute "back track", although you might think of it that way. It's a modeled sound coming from a keyboard. A Mellotron in the old days, but nowadays most good keyboards have digitally modeled sounds. This is not King Crimson. It is Steve Hackett's (Genesis Guitarist 1970-77) "Genesis Revisited" tour. The band includes John Wettong on bass and vocals - John was with King Crimson during the mid 70s, but not when this song was recorded. The band includes Ian McDonald who is singing and playing flute - He wrote the song and was on the first King Crimson album. Ian played keyboards, saxophone, and flute with the band Foreigner 1976-80. Steve Hackett's brother John plays flute and he often has played with Steve's band. Steve has remained an active solo act since leaving Genesis in 77. Steve is an amazingly hard-working musician, constantly writing, recording, and touring as an electric guitarist and a classical guitarist.
Not a bad version, but I love the original from 1969 with Greg Lake singing. My Avatar is the album cover of this LP, In the Court of the Crimson King.
The second flute is either a delay of the one flute but more likely a flute setting on a Mellotron. The Mellotron is an analogue tape keyboard instrument that plays recorded tracks of real instruments. It had a wide range of orchestral instruments played solo or in unison. They even had the Vienna Boys Choir. Rick Wakeman used that quite a bit with Yes. It is unique from digital instruments in that it captures the attack and diminish of a real instrument being played as opposed to turning on and off a digital loop. Robert Fripp is the most talented Mellotron player of the era. Rest assured you are listening to live flute accompanied by a Mellotron accompaniment.
Thank you! I enjoyed this even though it wasn't really King Crimson. It's hard to find original King Crimson videos on TH-cam but I saw that many of their albums have been added to Spotify lately. I definitely recommend the first album "In the Court of the Crimson King". It's a perfect start. All the songs are great. I sometimes skip the long improvised 10 minutes at the ending of Moonchild though. Well, the classic title song sounds even more impressive after that. Great albums like this really take you into a journey.
As a fan of KC since the age of 12 (1975) I had the pleasure of seeing the "21st Century Schizoid Band", comprising mostly former band members; I went just for I Talk To the Wind. When Ian McDonald launched into the first flute break, there was a tear.
This is a real live evening show with Steve Hackett, John Wetton, Ian mcdonald and Peter Giles + version. The second flute and other brass sounds are mellotron keys.
It could be a playback, but I'm pretty sure Julian Colbeck is providing the second flute via keyboards, far stage right. Lots of people are claiming the harmony flute is from a Mellotron (or Mellotron patch). I strongly doubt if they had a good sampler that they would have used a Mellotron patch when they could have used a real flute sound instead, which was on the original recording (and yes, I know a Mellotron is technically a real flute sound as well! :-D) Fun fact: Flute player Ian McDonald was a founding member of arena rockers Foreigner! This song was written in the late 60's, though, which explains the hippy-ish, pastoral vibe. King Crimson liked to feature a song like this on nearly every album after the debut, but none of them have Ian McDonald's artistry.
This track is from a live album "The Tokyo Tapes" (1988), by a supergroup commanded by Steve Hackett (Genesis), guitar, harmonica, vocals, plus Ian McDonald (King Crimson, Foreigner) saxophone, guitar, keyboards, vocals and John Wetton (King Crimson, U.S., Asia) bass, guitar, vocals. They also participated in other songs : Chester Thompson (Weather Report, Frank Zappa) drums and Julian Colbeck (Steve Hackett, Yes) keyboards, vocals. Saludos
This is a live recording. A keyboard with sampled flute sound is the second one. The quality of sampled sound has improved massively since the early days as the capability of the processors has increased while the prices have come down.
Some members of King Crimson, but not King Crimson. Much better to listen to the original studio recording. Without Robert Fripp on guitar, as others said, it's not King Crimson. Beautiful song though.
You are wrong it is a live performance it is also not King Crimson. It had John Wetton on bass and vocal, and Ian McDonald on keyboard and flute plus Steve Hackett from Genesis on guitar and Chester Thompson from Frank Zappa and Genesis
There's also another keybordist playing (Julian Kolbeck) who probably was providing the "second flute" or "backup flute" sound that the video analyst is hearing in the background.
The show was organized by Steve Hackett. Kinda "Steve Hackett and friends" type, officially called "The Tokio Tapes". It was a fantastic release when it came out, in the 90's or so, and a must have to progressive rock lovers.
The part that confused you was a Mellotron (analog tape sampling keyboard, or it's digital equivalent...) Also, Get 'Em Out By Friday by Genesis also uses tandem Mellotron using the flute tapes & an actual flute as well. Check that one out !! 🚬😎
Hi, on the album version, it's the interpretation plus the composition that are interesting for me, and also the dialogue of the flute with the drummer .... Greetings from France
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Its a mellotron, or keyboard imitation of one. Check out more of his skills on McDonvald and Giles, the album he made after he and drummer left Crimson. Its fine like wine.
Predominantly as a saxophonist. McDonald plays keyboards, flute, vibraphone, and guitar. Ian Mcdonald Is an amazing flautist live or recorded ♥ People might also know him for being part of the USA Rock band Foreigner
This track has always been one of my favourite pieces of music since I bought the album in the early 70's. Perhaps have a listen to the studio track (on 'In The Court of The Crimson King' album) and compare that to the live recording.
The flautist Ian McDonald was on the original album and therefore is on the original I Talk to the Wind. This is a wonderful concert and Fripp once considered recruiting Steve Hackett for King Crimson.
In fact, this band short lived was formed around Steve Hackett (Guitar, ex Genesis) to do some few shows in Japan in the 1996. Flute player is Ian McDonald (original King Crimson member), the bass player is the legendary Jon Wetton (also a former King Crimson member), Chester Thompson (Genesis, Phil Collins, Weather Report) on drums and Julian Colbeck plays keyboards. About the second flute part, it could be played also on keyboards, or maybe they did a little edit on the tape in the studio if the result on stage was not so good as expected, it's current to do that kind of 'tricks' on live albums..... One time I had the opportunity to listen rough tapes from a commercial live album (Yes: Keys to acension) and it's clear that some parts were re-recorded on the final Cd ...
That’s Steve Hackett’s band with Steve’s brother John on flute. They are doing a king Creamson’s song, where the bassist, the late John Wetton used to play. You might like to ve a listen to his “sketches of Satie”.
@Luis Nunez Good guess but take a closer look! Yes it’s Steve Hackett, but not his band. This is Steve Hackett and friends from the dvd Tokyo Tapes. His brother John is not playing the flute here, Ian McDonald is. Yes John Wetton was in King Crimson but not during the time of this song, he did not join the group till years later. Greg Lake sang this song on the debut album “In the Court of the Crimson King”.
Thank you for hearing our requests. With a good compressor the distance between mic and flute may attenuated the differences of volume. King Crimson is top notch classic progressive rock band. Recommended!
I don't recall if it had a lot of flute (it's been a decade or two since I listened to it), but be sure to listen to "In the Court of the Crimson King". It was one of their signature pieces. King Crimson was way ahead of their time, doing music we took for granted in the 1980s and 90s, but they were putting theirs out in the early 1970s if not the late 60s. Their instrumentals, and they tended to have some longer instrumental segments, were sometimes complex. Their sound was definitely that of a well polished studio band, and I do not recall many live performances I felt were up to the quality of their studio produced songs. But it has been a LONG time since I listened to very much of their content, so I could be wrong. Anyway, enjoy exploring a band for the first time.
In The Court Of The Crimson King has some flute not much. This song, I Talk to the Wind was the one that had a lot of flute in it. Either way, King Crimson's debut is one of the all-time best debuts in the history of music. As well as arguably the 1st Prog album.
The real King Crimson flutist was a multi-instrumentalist who also played varied reed instruments, keyboards & vibraphone -- Ian MacDonald. Anyone who played with the leader of this band Robert Fripp -- had to be exceptional. This, unfortunately, is not King Crimson but it is indeed Ian MacDonald of King Crimson who played the original that first appeared on In The Court of the Crimson King. (1969). This was from one of two Tokyo concerts in 1996. The performance band was compromised of former members of Genesis, King Crimson, Asia, Yes, Frank Zappa bands & Weather Report.
On the original you've got a flute and mellotron flute patch playing parts together - this is the backing track you are hearing. Some of the best fill education a drummer can get on this single track one the original album.
The part in the first chorus was probably edited in from a different performance in order to fix a mistake. That line-up was only put together for a short Japanese tour and had not chance of being as tight as a regular group, so the album/DVD Tokyo Tapes, which we're watching here, was actually assembled from a couple of shows.
Steve Hackett used this song as inspiration for "Serpentine Song", which also features some flute. You should also check out the album he did with his brother John, "Sketches of Satie".
The REAL King Crimson is one of the GREAT bands. All top-notch musicians. But, as with many other commenters, if the guy in the vest, tie, and wire-rimmed glasses isn't on stage, it's just a very good cover band playing a KC piece. Steve Hackett, the guitarist in the piece, is a GOD to me.
This is live. There's a yt video by 'Dusty Grooves 69' who plays the studio version on his record player. I highly recommend you listen to it, though this is a wonderful live performance.
Good pick! I suggest you listen to the album version. The other flute may be a mellotron, an instrument of recorded instruments which was intensively used by kc.
I believe she is correct that the flute intro is a recording. It sounds exactly like the King Crimson recording. It was not meant as a trick or laziness, but more as an homage.
Ian was all over In The Court of the Crimson King an Observation by King Crimson, The Best recording of 1969 maybe The Steven Wilson Remix is clearer and uncompressed, beautiful!
It sounds to me like the earlier part of the track has a long reverb/echo on the flute part, which is them pulled back for the more complex parts. If so it would mean he could stop playing the note (and adjust his embouschure) while the sound continues. This is one of very few King Crimson tracks which use flute, unfortunately.
A king crimsin song but that is not king crimson. sounds like ian mcdonald who composed I TALK TO THE WIND. Probably from the tour Steve Hackett did with Wetton and McDonald. Wetton and McDonald had played in King Crimson but at different times.
Well watched Heline. The mouth movement of Ian McDonald in the begining is strange. I have a video cassette of this concert from 1996. About 20 ago, I thought the same like you today. Maybe there is a similar keyboard sound sync.
This was a great lineup for KC but in the original you had Robert Fripp on guitar (love Steve Hackett), Greg Lake (RIP) on Bass and vocals (love John Wetton RIP) so this is an outstanding version of ITTTW as is the original studio version. Thanks for reviewing one of the most beautiful songs ever written and performed. Would love to hear you play it...
The flute is live.
The 'other' flute is a keyboard called a Mellotron.
or any other synth with a good patch.
@@TheMichguff Don't forget that this was made in the 1970s. Synth "patches" didn't exist. So the "other flute" is most likely a mellotron.
@@philiphart6688 1969. And yeah, on the original recording it would have either been a mellotron or just two flute tracks, but this a live version from much much later (and clearly not by the original lineup).
@@philiphart6688 This is from Steve Hackett's Toyo Tapes vid made in 1996, the original is of course from Crimson's 1969 debut album. Neither Colbeck nor McDonald used a mellotron in this concert. Cheers!
Obviously, Heline has never heard of a musical instrument called a mellotron.
This is a true live performance. Believe me. 60's and 70's musicians were really real artists. They were not studio assisted meh performers based on looks and dancing ability. It really had integrity.
For sure !!! Fully agree with you.
Yes! Definitely correct.
These videos are basically us watching a classical flutist becoming more and more smitten with prog rock!
Yall hit the nail on the head,,, many of us be really "smitten"...
Really Heline is very tallented, she likes Jethro Tull, she is beautiful, I love to hear her playing her floot ...
Flautist Ian McDonald (born 25 June 1946) is an English multi-instrumental musician, best known as a founding member of progressive rock band King Crimson in 1969, and of Foreigner in 1976. He is well regarded as a rock session musician, predominantly as a saxophonist. McDonald also plays keyboards, flute, vibraphone and guitar. McDonald served five years in the British Army as a bandsman. His music talent ranged from classical orchestra to dance bands to rock.
The original recording from IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING is double tracked so two flutes are improving as a duet. Very beautiful. You should check iut the original.
It should be remembered that this song was placed on KC's first album between 21st Century Schizoid Man and Epitaph. I listened to this record for the first time in 1975 when I was 15 years old and it was a shocking experience to hear Epitaph's timpani intensify at the end of I Talk to the Wind.
Of course its live, one of The finest group ever!!
King Crimson, In the Court of the Crimson King, is an Amazing album and is the source/original recording of this song. That entire album was so far ahead of its time, being released in 1969 I believe. A work of genius from beginning to end.
I wish I still had my 8 track of them that I got in '69...
Indeed, released on 10th October 1969. You really need to listen to the original, Greg Lake’s vocals are immaculate👍
You also have to remember they use a mellotron on the flute setting. The mellotron was an early electric keyboard that actually used audio tape of recordings of actual instruments, usually flute, violin, brass, and sometimes voices, and some various other instruments. So each key had a corresponding length of audio tape with the instrument playing that designated note. King Crimson used it extensively over the years, and they probably use one of the new versions today.
Ahhh, thanks for the heart!
Stephen, no mellotron was used in this concert. But you gave a nice description of the instrument nonetheless. Cheers!
you really need to check out the actual album version, it's light years ahead of this live performance by what is basically a tribute/cover band
yes, especially the drums are so much better on the original
The second flute sound is probably played on a mellotron, King Crimson used a boatload of mellotron on their early albums. Robert Fripp played mellotron almost as much as he guitar.
@rodney Morgan. Actually Fripp only played acoustic and electric guitars on the debut King Crimson album. The person who deserves the mellotron credit is Ian McDonald, Not only did he compose the song but on the Debut album, Ian McDonald played - saxophone, flute, clarinet, bass clarinet, Mellotron, harpsichord, piano, organ, vibraphone, and backing vocals. Ian also wrote or co-wrote all of the songs on the first album, if not for him this epic debut album would have been nothing. It was not until later albums that Fripp experimented with the mellotron, which there was much less use of it and a noticeable difference in quality of performance. Fripp had no other choice because Ian McDonald left the group.
@@johnbenard9550 thanks for the education John, I guess I should pay more attention to the liner notes lol.
@@rodneymorgan9401 This Ian McDonald(still alive, btw) later went on to form Foreigner, which explains their prog elements.
Probably a mellotron patch on a more modern synth... I don't think anyone would want to tour with and maintain a real mellotron...lol
@@tomkatf Or memotron.
this is not king crimson. This is an ensemble of great musicians that play a King crimson's piece. This is a Steve Hackett's tape recorded in tokyo; only Ian Mc Donald (the fluteplayer) is from the early king crimson
Gianfranco Ludovisi and John Wetton
@@richardshansky3040 well. johh wetton arrived in king crimson after first two records where the bassist was greg lake
Gianfranco Ludovisi Greg Lake did not play bass on the 2nd album, “In the Wake of Poseidon”. He had left the group to join ELP, as a favor to Robert Fripp he sang on all but 1 song though. Peter Giles played bass on the 2nd album. John Wetton did not join King Crimson until the 5th album “Larks' Tongues in Aspic”, and there were 2 other bass players between Greg Lake and John Wetton. Peter Giles and Gordon Haskell.
Since I prefer the King Crimson era between 1973 - 1975 most, John Wetton is THE KING CRIMSON BASSPLAYER imho - Tony Levin is good though, but Wetton had more energy xD
So that’s actually McDonald on flute? Awesome. Haven’t seen him play it before.
This is Steve Hackett and Friends Live in Tokyo. They are doing a live cover of King Crimson. Steve is the former guitarist for Genesis. The flutist is Ian MacDonald, and the bass player and vocalist is John Wetton, both former members of King Crimson. This actually is a live performance!
Can someone please provide a link to the video she is watching?
Funny watching her. She watches how he plays the flute not just the sound coming out of it.
As a Big and Long Time Rock Music Fan of the British Progressive Rock Band, King Crimson, In the Court of the Crimson King Album Released in 1969 is My Favorite, I Enjoyed Watching your Classical Flutist Teacher Reactions of the Flute Playing.
This isn't really King Crimson. It's former members of King Crimson but without a man in glasses, on a stool, playing guitar, and occasionally displaying an all-knowing smirk it isn't King Crimson.
Exactly. Without Robert Fripp, these are just people playing the music of KC.
Yeah, I think this is a Steve Hackett live perfomance, around mid 90s, maybe? But hey, at least John Wetton and Ian McDonald were in King Crimson, so that's something :-D
Exactly. It's a cover band
@Lobster Venus no Fripp no Crimson
rubicon1983 Do you know who wrote Wind? Ian McDonald, and Peter Sinfield. No Fripp involvement at all
Though I love and respect the musicians playing here, but compared to the original version, this is a strile and rather lifeless version, without the beauty and emotion of the original. Please do yourself a favour and listen to the original version, off the actual album by the great King Crimson.
Actually John Wetton does the song more justice than Greg Lake on the original.
ACtually Mcdonald wrote this (the music at least) and in fact was slightly more involved in writing than Fripp on ITCOTCA, The first album was very much not only Bob Fripp's band but a band of brilliant musicians.
I prefer the Giles, Giles and Fripp version with Judy Dyble on vocals.
@@surinaam1186 Lakes version definitely felt more folk-y, not as folk as the true original version. But Wettons definitely has a nice touch due to his deep soothing voice.
John Wetton. Nice. I like the original version with Greg Lake, but I love Wetton, and I've never gotten to hear him sing this one before. So this was a treat.
RIP Mr Wetton
Another great King Crimson song with a beautiful flute solo is 'Cadence and Cascade,' with Ian McDonald's replacement, sax/flute player Mel Collins; but I don't know of a live version. The studio version is on the band's second album, 'In the Wake of Poseidon.'
Great comments! Had a chuckle when you said this was the first KC tune you have heard...wow, are you in for a surprise! They have some wonderfully beautiful compositions, but also some fabulously unmelodic pieces that make you wonder how they could be played at all. If you were in King Crimson, you were a most excellent musician indeed. Love your channel!
The harmony "flute" at the beginning appears to be from the keyboardist on the far left (Julian Colbeck). You can see him take his hand away from the upper keyboard after that passage. The flutist is Ian McDonald, who wrote the song and played both flute and clarinet on the original King Crimson recording. The singer/bassist is John Wetton, who was in a later version of King Crimson, but ironically never performed this song with them.
It's actually a live track. But it's not King Crimson although they originated the song on In the Court of the Crimson King. Greg Lake sang it on that original album and my friend Judy Dyble who passed away this past Spring sang it on the first recording of it with Giles, Giles & Fripp. John Wetton is singing it here. Not sure what the occasion was, but he was a member of King Crimson as well. I didn't know John, but I know his wife Lisa and my friend Robert Fripp was the composer of this song. It's a beautiful song and evokes many memories. Hope you are well and safe and in good spirit. 💕
Judy Dyble's version is beautiful. I've performed the song numerous times at gigs and it's always that version which I use as my touchstone for the track. You are obviously connected with the Fripp and your name sounds familiar - weren't you a member of the League of Crafty Guitarists?
Yes. At Claymont from '85 to '87 roughly. And me and some locals formed the first satellite GuitarCraft group called The League of Locals.
Sorry for your loss. I didn't know Judy worked with King Crimson but I am a huge Fairport Convention fan and she was amazing with them!
@Robert Jewell. Robert Fripp did not compose this song. It was composed by the man playing the flute in this video, Ian McDonald. The lyrics were written by Pete Sinfield.
@@edwardjamyangmacarchick1847 Judy Dyble didn't work with King Crimson she sang on "The Brondesbury Tapes" which was with the band Giles, Giles, and Fripp. The album was recorded in 1968, it was scrapped until 2001 when it finally was released. The first album by Giles, Giles, and Fripp did not do so well it sold less than 500 copies, so they were looking to improve the band and they brought in Judy Dyble and Ian McDonald. Judy only sang on 3 of the songs.
The original recording of the song from 1969 used two flutes in a couple of passages, one overdubbed, both played by Ian MacDonald, the man you see playing here. For this live version, the lower part was taken by a keyboard using a flute sample. Flute, of course, is about the easiest instrument sound to synthesize because the wave form is simple. King Crimson's four subsequent albums through 1973 also featured flute, performed by two other players, as well as the occasional bass flute (on the song "Islands"), oboe, and English Horn.
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I don't think it's a backing track, but Julian Colbeck is playing keyboards in the background and is likely playing the flute harmony on his keyboards. Ian McDonald can definitely play the flute excellently and he played it on the original 1969 recording. However, this video is from an official live release DVD, and it's often common practice to overdub microphone glitches and mistakes when they release a DVD. Also, this was from a 1996 Steve Hackett Genesis Revisited concert that featured former members of King Crimson but it's not officially King Crimson. It's a pity there's no video of the original King Crimson lineup playing this live back in 1969. The original lineup split up in 1970 and they rarely performed this song live until more recent years by acts that featured former KC members (like this and the "21st Century Schizoid Band").
Mel Collins is in the current lineup of King Crimson and he occasionally plays flute with them live, but I don't think they've played this song yet on their more recent tours. Still see if you can find other King Crimson songs that feature flute. Check out "In the Court of the Crimson King", "Cadence and Cascade", "In the Wake of Poseidon", "Happy Family", "Lady of the Dancing Water", "Formentera Lady", "Lizard" and "Islands". I know that some of these have been performed live more recently by the current KC lineup and you might be able to find videos.
The bass on this is amazing
This was a Steve Hackett concert in Japan called the Japan Tapes. Ian McDonald, who is playing the flute, wrote the song with Peter Sinfield while both were with King Crimson. It is very much live.
It was probably also played on a mellotron or possibly run through an effect that doubles what the flutist is playing . But he is definitely playing .
4:29 it gets interesting 4:47 sees the breathing is real 5:20 senses a solo ~ perhaps 5:52 is the reaction "yeah okay this is real ~ not bad". I love Heline being so real and authentic. She just gave me the thought: talking to the wind is about the flute- the flute talks to the wind. I lost my uncle recently. He was a vet and a drummer and he lived for his daughters and grandkids. This was "our" song. Thanks, Heline bro breathing new life into this song again.
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Thanks for the video!
A few clarifications:
The other flute (and other wind parts) is played by the keyboard player in this live rendition of the song (as someone else already stated, probably a Mellotron).
This is not King Crimson, it's Steve Hackett's (the guitarist) super group from a live event later called "The Tokyo Tapes".
He's with Chester Thompson (Frank Zappa, Weather Report, Genesis' live drummer), John Wetton (bass and vocals, mostly famous for King Crimson mid 70's line up and Asia), Julian Colbeck (keyboards) and Ian McDonald (wind instruments and keyboards, from the original King Crimson line up).
Ian McDonald participated in recording and composing on King Crimson first album, where I Talk To The Wind is the second track (notably one of the few calm and "serene" moments on the LP). He had academic music training, mostly with the army ensemble. He and his friends formed King Crimson because they all could play professionally their instruments (incredibly well, may I add) but in contexts they did not like. With this frustration, they formed a band to do all the stuff they could not previously do or the opposite that mainstrem proposed. He contributed the classical side of the group's music spectrum (and the heaviest screeching moments on his saxophone). He's an incredibly talented musician, I would have been VERY surpised had he needed a backing track.
In the Court of the Crimson King (An Observation by King Crimson) is a great album, I suggest a listening to everyone.
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There isn't any flute "back track", although you might think of it that way. It's a modeled sound coming from a keyboard. A Mellotron in the old days, but nowadays most good keyboards have digitally modeled sounds. This is not King Crimson. It is Steve Hackett's (Genesis Guitarist 1970-77) "Genesis Revisited" tour. The band includes John Wettong on bass and vocals - John was with King Crimson during the mid 70s, but not when this song was recorded. The band includes Ian McDonald who is singing and playing flute - He wrote the song and was on the first King Crimson album. Ian played keyboards, saxophone, and flute with the band Foreigner 1976-80. Steve Hackett's brother John plays flute and he often has played with Steve's band. Steve has remained an active solo act since leaving Genesis in 77. Steve is an amazingly hard-working musician, constantly writing, recording, and touring as an electric guitarist and a classical guitarist.
Not a bad version, but I love the original from 1969 with Greg Lake singing. My Avatar is the album cover of this
LP, In the Court of the Crimson King.
The second flute is either a delay of the one flute but more likely a flute setting on a Mellotron. The Mellotron is an analogue tape keyboard instrument that plays recorded tracks of real instruments. It had a wide range of orchestral instruments played solo or in unison. They even had the Vienna Boys Choir. Rick Wakeman used that quite a bit with Yes. It is unique from digital instruments in that it captures the attack and diminish of a real instrument being played as opposed to turning on and off a digital loop. Robert Fripp is the most talented Mellotron player of the era. Rest assured you are listening to live flute accompanied by a Mellotron accompaniment.
I don't think, that they used a real mellotron (like in 1969) at a concert of 1996. They used key sounds that made this possible.
Great video! Flute solos are nice and clear.
How rich and wonderful is Wetton's voice though... and that beautiful bass tone... RIP. He will be missed forever.
King Crimson are arguably the best prog band, the song Epitaph might be something you would like.
Thank you! I enjoyed this even though it wasn't really King Crimson. It's hard to find original King Crimson videos on TH-cam but I saw that many of their albums have been added to Spotify lately.
I definitely recommend the first album "In the Court of the Crimson King". It's a perfect start. All the songs are great. I sometimes skip the long improvised 10 minutes at the ending of Moonchild though. Well, the classic title song sounds even more impressive after that. Great albums like this really take you into a journey.
As a fan of KC since the age of 12 (1975) I had the pleasure of seeing the "21st Century Schizoid Band", comprising mostly former band members; I went just for I Talk To the Wind. When Ian McDonald launched into the first flute break, there was a tear.
This band is full of accomplished musicians. They are not the typical rock band I think they are a step above.
This is a real live evening show with Steve Hackett, John Wetton, Ian mcdonald and Peter Giles + version. The second flute and other brass sounds are mellotron keys.
It could be a playback, but I'm pretty sure Julian Colbeck is providing the second flute via keyboards, far stage right. Lots of people are claiming the harmony flute is from a Mellotron (or Mellotron patch). I strongly doubt if they had a good sampler that they would have used a Mellotron patch when they could have used a real flute sound instead, which was on the original recording (and yes, I know a Mellotron is technically a real flute sound as well! :-D)
Fun fact: Flute player Ian McDonald was a founding member of arena rockers Foreigner! This song was written in the late 60's, though, which explains the hippy-ish, pastoral vibe. King Crimson liked to feature a song like this on nearly every album after the debut, but none of them have Ian McDonald's artistry.
OMNIA!! You have to listen!! They are an amazing band. Multiple wind instruments and very tribal. OMNIA!! (Live!)
Great music and flute solo.
The band Traffic also has some good flute playing in some songs. I'm thinking 40000 Headmen and Rainmaker Rainmaker specifically.
This track is from a live album "The Tokyo Tapes" (1988), by a supergroup commanded by Steve Hackett (Genesis), guitar, harmonica, vocals, plus Ian McDonald (King Crimson, Foreigner) saxophone, guitar, keyboards, vocals and John Wetton (King Crimson, U.S., Asia) bass, guitar, vocals. They also participated in other songs :
Chester Thompson (Weather Report, Frank Zappa) drums and Julian Colbeck (Steve Hackett, Yes) keyboards, vocals. Saludos
Helene: I like this style of music, I’ll check out more of it.
Listens to 21st Century Schizoid Man....
Well, it's got some great sax playing in it. ;)
Listen to in the court of the crimson by king crimson the album version.
Right there with dark side of the Moon
This is a live recording.
A keyboard with sampled flute sound is the second one. The quality of sampled sound has improved massively since the early days as the capability of the processors has increased
while the prices have come down.
Some members of King Crimson, but not King Crimson. Much better to listen to the original studio recording. Without Robert Fripp on guitar, as others said, it's not King Crimson. Beautiful song though.
or better still the pre-Crimson Giles, Giles, and Fripp version with Judy Dyble on vocals.
And Greg Lake on vocals.
The Roach Sisters did a duet version on A Child's Garden of King Crimson, that I personally think is the best version.
King crimson changed members constantly. Original for the album? No.
You are wrong it is a live performance it is also not King Crimson. It had John Wetton on bass and vocal, and Ian McDonald on keyboard and flute plus Steve Hackett from Genesis on guitar and Chester Thompson from Frank Zappa and Genesis
ok, so kinda "some ex-members and some cousins of KC" basically. Not Greg Lake, but JW nails it, and Ian of course is perfect on harmonies and flute.
Thank you for pointing it out. I was thrown off by the fact that I couldn't see Robert Fripp.
There's also another keybordist playing (Julian Kolbeck) who probably was providing the "second flute" or "backup flute" sound that the video analyst is hearing in the background.
The show was organized by Steve Hackett. Kinda "Steve Hackett and friends" type, officially called "The Tokio Tapes". It was a fantastic release when it came out, in the 90's or so, and a must have to progressive rock lovers.
The part that confused you was a Mellotron (analog tape sampling keyboard, or it's digital equivalent...) Also,
Get 'Em Out By Friday by Genesis also uses tandem Mellotron using the flute tapes & an actual flute as well. Check that one out !!
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Hi, on the album version, it's the interpretation plus the composition that are interesting for me, and also the dialogue of the flute with the drummer .... Greetings from France
This really is a beautiful song.
It's not a backtrack but a Mellotron played live.
When the music so good that the professionally trained musician can't tell the difference between studio and live versions
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There are usually two flute players. Check out 21st Schizoid Band, they have live video from a Tokyo concert.
I like your commentary better than I like this song.
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Are you evaluating any more Jethro Tull material?
I haven't watched this yet but... what a fantastic song! I'm watching a live stream at the moment but I can't wait to see this.
It's very possible the flute is realizing a separate pickup and the mic may be used to add fullness and for the vocals.
Its a mellotron, or keyboard imitation of one. Check out more of his skills on McDonvald and Giles, the album he made after he and drummer left Crimson. Its fine like wine.
Predominantly as a saxophonist. McDonald plays keyboards, flute, vibraphone, and guitar. Ian Mcdonald Is an amazing flautist live or recorded ♥ People might also know him for being part of the USA Rock band Foreigner
Gentle Giant too has some occasional wind parts (like in 'on reflection'). There's also Camel (song within a song).
This track has always been one of my favourite pieces of music since I bought the album in the early 70's. Perhaps have a listen to the studio track (on 'In The Court of The Crimson King' album) and compare that to the live recording.
The flautist Ian McDonald was on the original album and therefore is on the original I Talk to the Wind. This is a wonderful concert and Fripp once considered recruiting Steve Hackett for King Crimson.
It's a SM58 Shure Microphone. Concerning the second flute part played by the keyboardist I would say it is generated by a Mellotron emulator.
In fact, this band short lived was formed around Steve Hackett (Guitar, ex Genesis) to do some few shows in Japan in the 1996.
Flute player is Ian McDonald (original King Crimson member), the bass player is the legendary Jon Wetton (also a former King Crimson member), Chester Thompson (Genesis, Phil Collins, Weather Report) on drums and Julian Colbeck plays keyboards.
About the second flute part, it could be played also on keyboards, or maybe they did a little edit on the tape in the studio if the result on stage was not so good as expected, it's current to do that kind of 'tricks' on live albums.....
One time I had the opportunity to listen rough tapes from a commercial live album (Yes: Keys to acension) and it's clear that some parts were re-recorded on the final Cd ...
Don't forget: Chester played also with Frank Zappa ;-)
@@TheAxel65 Yes, I know, I forgot to mention this .... :-)
The synth player is using a flute sound. It doesn't sound exactly like the original, but it's only a slight difference.
There were, as other people pointed out in the commentary, 2 flautists on this track, only one (Ian McDonald) who was shown.
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the other flute we hear is a meelotron
That’s Steve Hackett’s band with Steve’s brother John on flute. They are doing a king Creamson’s song, where the bassist, the late John Wetton used to play. You might like to ve a listen to his “sketches of Satie”.
@Luis Nunez Good guess but take a closer look! Yes it’s Steve Hackett, but not his band. This is Steve Hackett and friends from the dvd Tokyo Tapes. His brother John is not playing the flute here, Ian McDonald is. Yes John Wetton was in King Crimson but not during the time of this song, he did not join the group till years later. Greg Lake sang this song on the debut album “In the Court of the Crimson King”.
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With a good compressor the distance between mic and flute may attenuated the differences of volume.
King Crimson is top notch classic progressive rock band. Recommended!
Perfect song for lovely Heline.
I don't recall if it had a lot of flute (it's been a decade or two since I listened to it), but be sure to listen to "In the Court of the Crimson King". It was one of their signature pieces.
King Crimson was way ahead of their time, doing music we took for granted in the 1980s and 90s, but they were putting theirs out in the early 1970s if not the late 60s.
Their instrumentals, and they tended to have some longer instrumental segments, were sometimes complex. Their sound was definitely that of a well polished studio band, and I do not recall many live performances I felt were up to the quality of their studio produced songs. But it has been a LONG time since I listened to very much of their content, so I could be wrong.
Anyway, enjoy exploring a band for the first time.
In The Court Of The Crimson King has some flute not much. This song, I Talk to the Wind was the one that had a lot of flute in it. Either way, King Crimson's debut is one of the all-time best debuts in the history of music. As well as arguably the 1st Prog album.
The real King Crimson flutist was a multi-instrumentalist who also played varied reed instruments, keyboards & vibraphone -- Ian MacDonald.
Anyone who played with the leader of this band Robert Fripp -- had to be exceptional.
This, unfortunately, is not King Crimson but it is indeed Ian MacDonald of King Crimson who played the original that first appeared on In The Court of the Crimson King. (1969).
This was from one of two Tokyo concerts in 1996. The performance band was compromised of former members of Genesis, King Crimson, Asia, Yes, Frank Zappa bands & Weather Report.
Really glad you reacted to it!
Fun fact: Ian McDonald did an album full of covers to Jethro Tull's songs. Ian and Ian😅
On the original you've got a flute and mellotron flute patch playing parts together - this is the backing track you are hearing. Some of the best fill education a drummer can get on this single track one the original album.
The part in the first chorus was probably edited in from a different performance in order to fix a mistake. That line-up was only put together for a short Japanese tour and had not chance of being as tight as a regular group, so the album/DVD Tokyo Tapes, which we're watching here, was actually assembled from a couple of shows.
The concert was indeed performed on two nights, so the video from one could have been matched with the audio from the other in parts
Steve Hackett used this song as inspiration for "Serpentine Song", which also features some flute. You should also check out the album he did with his brother John, "Sketches of Satie".
Are you evaluating any more Jethro Tull material?
Every track on the first KC record represented an influential breakthrough for so-called; 'progressive rock' - this one was no exception ..
If I could turn back time top of my list would be watching them with the first serious touring line up. Sensational. Still love it. 50 yrs later!
Trivia: This piece was first recorded with Judy Dyble of Fairport Convention. Yes, Crimson did briefly have a female singer.
Technically wasn’t crimson yet. It was Giles Giles and fripp
If there’s a second flute it could easely be the mellotron
This LIVE my dear! lol ... check out Thijs Van leer from Focus whom I have seen on numerous occasions and he is a world class flautist!
The REAL King Crimson is one of the GREAT bands. All top-notch musicians.
But, as with many other commenters, if the guy in the vest, tie, and wire-rimmed glasses isn't on stage, it's just a very good cover band playing a KC piece.
Steve Hackett, the guitarist in the piece, is a GOD to me.
This is live. There's a yt video by 'Dusty Grooves 69' who plays the studio version on his record player. I highly recommend you listen to it, though this is a wonderful live performance.
Still looking forward to the many great tunes from Songs From the Wood
Please review the original studio version
Good pick! I suggest you listen to the album version. The other flute may be a mellotron, an instrument of recorded instruments which was intensively used by kc.
There have been so many incarnations of King Crimson that it would be difficult to find another song of theirs like this one.
thanks for this
I believe she is correct that the flute intro is a recording. It sounds exactly like the King Crimson recording. It was not meant as a trick or laziness, but more as an homage.
Ian was all over In The Court of the Crimson King an Observation by King Crimson, The Best recording of 1969 maybe The Steven Wilson Remix is clearer and uncompressed, beautiful!
It sounds to me like the earlier part of the track has a long reverb/echo on the flute part, which is them pulled back for the more complex parts. If so it would mean he could stop playing the note (and adjust his embouschure) while the sound continues. This is one of very few King Crimson tracks which use flute, unfortunately.
Would you add this to your song list? I'd definitely love to hear you play it! ^^
Yes
A king crimsin song but that is not king crimson. sounds like ian mcdonald who composed I TALK TO THE WIND. Probably from the tour Steve Hackett did with Wetton and McDonald. Wetton and McDonald had played in King Crimson but at different times.
On many of his albums, Steve Hackett’s brother John plays flute which you may like - Jacuzzi from Defector is a good starting point
The audio can be corrected later at the studio before production, a common practice
Well watched Heline. The mouth movement of Ian McDonald in the begining is strange. I have a video cassette of this concert from 1996. About 20 ago, I thought the same like you today. Maybe there is a similar keyboard sound sync.
This to the famous album version, please.
This was a great lineup for KC but in the original you had Robert Fripp on guitar (love Steve Hackett), Greg Lake (RIP) on Bass and vocals (love John Wetton RIP) so this is an outstanding version of ITTTW as is the original studio version. Thanks for reviewing one of the most beautiful songs ever written and performed. Would love to hear you play it...