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plumberparts how can I soundproof the pump ? Our pump was installed in the adjacent bedroom (no room in bathroom) and is currently not boxed in so is very noisy. Is it safe just to build a frame around it ? Would I add sound proofing to the inside ? Is their a danger it could get too hot ? Thanks
plumberparts sorry forgot to ask sometimes when I switch the shower on no water comes out until I turn a sink Tap on and then the shower kicks in and water comes out- what would likely be the cause of this ? Patreon singing - priceless mate
Lots of information and an amusing delivery. Having watched your video I went ahead and had a new Stuart Turner pump fitted at the base of the cylinder,. This was replacing an old noisy one that has lived under the bath for over ten years. The plumber fitted the new pump almost exactly the way you have, lovely installation. Regrettably the pump started to weep on the cold side after just over a month of being installed. I contacted Stuart Turner and they wanted pictures of the installation. They have refused warranty stating that the angle, on the pipe at the top of the tank for the hot water supply is insufficient. So even though it is the COLD water side that is weeping, warranty is refused because they say the HOT side is not fitted correctly. I urge anyone fitting a pump to follow the fitting instructions explicitly, no matter how expensive that may be, as any failure will have your warranty claim rejected.
Fantastic video and instructions for those DIY heads who need to know that the Domestic Water Shower pump is COLD FEEDER TANK "in" with corresponding cold pumped action "out" to shower/upstairs /// and Emersion HOT "in" with Emersion HOT "out". After 3 years of thinking about it, I think I can now replace my knackered pump myself (after I examine it) and avoid being stung for a £600 / £800 plumbers bill ! You are a sublime teacher ... superb video ! Kev (Ireland)
James I love your videos, showing your extensive experience and also your great sense of humor.... Never thought that the knowledge can be passed in this funny way .... Keep going, we waiting for next video Cheers mate 👍
As part of legionella control what we do at my firm (commercial mainly) is bring the expansion pipe up over the tank and then back down, into a visible tundish, then a fanny trap and tee into the waste or discharge out as you would a D2 on the unvented system. This is to prevent the warm water mixing with the cold bringing the temp of the cwst into the 20C or above which is a breeding ground for bscteria. Just a thought, may become mandatory at some point. Cheers for a great video bud. Atb
A really handy video I stumbled across. Our builders when fitting a downstairs shower room took the hot and cold feed from under the sink. It runs under the kitchen and extension floor and then up to the shower mixer. It takes forever to get hot and often have to run cold for ages first then switch over to hot slowly. We have a pump for the upstairs shower but that doesn’t kick in with the downstairs. Can I put a pump between the downstairs shower and where they have taken the feed from under the sink?
Hello just watched your video. Very informative. My landlord just put a pump under the bath, I don't see much improvement and its really noisy. Is that normal? Thank
I have the exact setup you described. But loads of pressure on the cold feed to bath/shower mixer tap. It's just the hot feed that dribbles. I assume I need Stuart Turner Techflo TP Standard 2.0 Bar Single Impeller Shower Pump - 49086 for £85. And that I cut into the hot water feed. Can I do it with a plastic pipe? I am in a rental property and on leaving I have to put it back to as found. So my thought is to cut into their 22mm copper pipe to interrupt the flow. Install the pump. Then when I finally leave take out the pump and patch the copper pipe.
Hi glad you mentioned putting the pump under the bath,that's what I was going to ask. One question do I put the supply for the bath taps before or after the pump??thanks in advance great channel
very helpful informative video, thank you. i had been struggling to work out why the showers in the old house i have just moved into had such rubbish pressure, i thought the problem was the undersized service pipe into the house but now i realise it is a gravity fed open vented system exactly like the one you demonstrate, i realise this is the main issue. my question is this; do i need one of these pumps for each of the 3 showers in the house or can i plumb the pump next to the tank to power all of the showers if they are not all being used at the same time? two up stairs, one downstairs and the hot water cylinder and boiler are upstairs in the main bathroom next to the main shower?
In determining whether a positive head or negative pump is needed you say 1 litre per minute is needed from the existing tank set up - is that where the pump will be fitted or at the highest point that the shower head will be situated? Thanks
Greetings from Ireland...excellent video mate! I'll be installing the very same pump in next few days and I'll be following your instructions to a tea...( the tea is for after all that work!)
Watching your video after the company that my landlord employ has so far cost me 2 months of my life! All three pumps, Salamander have been okay but they have put them all on shared feeds. I need DIY SOS
Great video. I've got a question mate. We have a shower pump to our main bathroom fed by gravity water tank and vented cylinder storage. Problem is when the shower is on it works fine, but once you turn off the shower tap the water pump engine is still working and it won't switch off! I have to go up to the loft to turn the fuse switch off to stop it and over heating. Why doesn't it isolate the water pump off? It used to work a fine before... Many thanks!
If the shower valve is passing water 💧 in the off position, You don’t give the location of the shower pump. If the location of the pump is in the loft, It should be a negative head pump , If not check the pressure switch. Don’t understand why 13 Amp spur switch is in the loft. Unless pump is located in the bathroom 🚽
How much would you recommend a job like this should cost using a local plumber? Also is an electrician required for the pump? As my airing cupboard doesn't have an electric socket?
brilliant video thank you. I am putting in a new bathroom in march and wanted to replace the electric shower with a mixer shower... our water pressure is piss poor for that exact reason. the feeder tank is right above the hot water tank. should I still move the header tank in to the loft, or would just a pump like that solve the problem without moving it??
Great to see your channel expand, James. So informative, and also very funny at the same time. I'd say 'Cheers to that' - keep up the good work! HOLD TIGHT!!
Great videos, quick question I’ve installed a shower pump a few years ago in the airing cupboard just for the shower , now I’ve just upgraded and put new taps in kitchen and basin but with new taps the pressure has dropped can I install another pump in the airing cupboard nearest to the hot water tank just on the hot water feed so that I get more pressure on the taps ( just the hot water cold is fine )and will it affect the original shower pump I installed , thanks.
WHAT IS THE FLOW FROM ANY INSTALLED SHOWER OR OTHER OUTLET WITHOUT A PUMP FITTED? - We have a gravity fed system in our home and in our bathroom upstairs on our bath tub we mixer taps installed with a middle plunger that we pull up for the shower hose head. Would this test filling up a 1 liter jug be from ONLY the hot water tap on full or with both hot and cold taps both on full through the shower hose head when doing the test to see how much water has filled up in the bucket/jug over 60 seconds? Thanks
Just seen this, I have a very noisy pump, I know they should have some noise but this is on another level, also I have a leak were the hot water enters the pump. How much should it cost me to get shower pump and leak sorted?, By a decent plumber.
Hi mate. Amazing video. Thank you so much. I've just fitted the exact same pump and exact same set-up. My pressure is now great. My only issue now is that my brand new thermostatic bar mixer shower is not getting really hot. It does get really hot however if I isolate the cold feed. I'm thinking it's the thermostatic cartridge but it's brand new. Any ideas?
Good video, well explained and cleared up a few questions i was having. Also proved that my cousin in-law who is a heating engineer by trade was wrong as he told me it wouldnt be possible to do what you have just done in that video. Keep up the good work.
How do you pipe up the pump differently if you want the pump to run a shower only vs kicking in for all hot taps in the house as well? I've seen it that some people want the pump to run just a shower and have the hot taps gravity only bypassing the pump and also seen it where people want the pump to kick in for the whole house. Please explain how you'd pipe both ways. Thanks.
Hello Mate You videos are really great. My plumber has installed a salamander pump for my new bathroom. But the pressure is not very great. I can see that from my tanks(hot on floor level and cold in loft) the pipes coming out are 22mm which coming upto my bathroom. But in old bathroom out of those main 22mm supply , sink and shower used to have a 15 mm pipes. But the guys who did the rework on bathroom has taken the input for shower pump from 15mm old pipes and i think same he has put to shower and other areas of bathroom. Can you suggest if this could be problem for the low pressure. Also like to ask if input pipe to pump can be 22m while outgoing can be 15 mm?
Can you install a pump in the loft next to the cold water tank to supply an electric shower in the bathroom below? So 22mm off the bottom of the cold water tank, to the universal pump, then on to the electric shower?
Great video, i have a negative pump fitted that isnt working properly but i had way over 1ltr per minute so a positive pump would of been fine! some people have said you should have an Essex flange fitted???
James. You really do go over and beyond to help folks with these vids. There is more than enough here for a novice DIYer to tackle this job. There was one thing missing ..... you did not wash yourself with Brasso?
hi just to clarify i will be using a pump with 22mm inlets and outlets the thermostatic valve is 15mm inlet (G 1/2) so where should i reduce the pipe from 22mm to 15mm i was thinking almost directly b4 the thermostatic valve would this be right?? many thanks in advance
love this video,thank you, can you use any pump for hot water tap in the bath? the cold water is working fine good pressure but the hot is very bad and slow due to the same problem you just showed us,thank you
If pumping hot only to a mixer tap make sure you use a Universal pump to ensure it starts every time. The higher pressure on the cold side of the mixer can prevent the flow switch on a positive head pump from working correctly.
Does the pump have to be the last thing before the shower, or can be it upstream from everything else in the house (the taps)? We have a shower which is just a bit weak, but everything else is fine, but it'd be annoying to have to replumb everything so this can be placed correctly. Not sure where abouts my shower pipes come off the main supplies after the hot water tank.
Great video! 🔥 Oh man i'm so confused now, living with no electric but i have a big generator, wanted to run a washing machine and one of those gas powered showers, washing machine deffo needs a pump though but now worried if i buy the pump it might not work, my water coming from an ibc tank any advice greatly appreciated thanks
I’ve watched your vid twice now. Love your style and straightforward approach. As an amateur DIYer, gonna take the plunge and give this a go. Two Qs: 1) can’t find those inline strainers anywhere. Can you share a link. 2) Going to site my pump next to he tank in airing cupboard however my CW / HW feed needs to go back into the loft to rejoin existing 22mm pipe work back and down to the shower. Is this a problem going back up to loft using 22mm > 15mm > 22mm ?
haha - I love the singing section James- was you!? lol.. {BGT is missing out}! nice - helpful reminder as havent fitted a new pump for a while.. - cheers. Keep up the great work..
I have this exact pump Stuart turner ecomate 2 bar. It's being used for approximately only 2 hours in total. It feeds two showers. Only one shower is ever used at any one time. Today it stopped working again. When I turn on the showers there is only a dribble of water and the shower just makes a humming sound. I turned off the pump and ran the showers in all positions as you did in the video to purge the pump but it made no difference. Any ideas what could be the problem. Thanks for your help.
After posting this I disconnected the pump from the power and water connections to take a closer look at it. When I looked at the bottom of the pump I could see where crystals had formed on the outside of the motor where there is obviously a small leak. I then removed the covers on each end of the pump to have a closer look. Here you should be able to turn the motor shaft freely but it wouldn't turn. It was completely seized. I proceeded and removed the plastic wheels off either end of the shaft that are used to propel the water through the pump. I then clamped a vice grip on one end of the motor shaft and gave it a good hard twist to get the motor moving again it worked. I reassembled and connected the pump back up to the water and power supply. Before turning on the power I purged the pump. I then turned on the power and tried the shower again. It now works again but a small leak remains at one end of the motor. As far as I know you cannot get spare parts for motor for this particular pump. The motor is in one sealed unaccessible unit. So I was told by a Stuart turner agent in Ireland. I was left with no option but to order a new one or else a different model. I can assure you the leak was not caused by the water being too hot (65 degrees Celsius as mentioned in there manual) entering the pump. Tank emersion turns off at 50 degrees Celsius. Also the leak happened on the side where the cold water was connected not the hot. I reckon it's just a cheap crappy pump. I would not recommend it to anyone. Hope this helps someone out.
Some neat copper pipework bending between the cold and hot supplies from the mixer dropping down to the shower pump. Some guidance on this pipe bending wizardry to avoid clashes (crossover's) and then back to the wall for pipe support would be much appreciated - both 15 and 22?. Great video and presentation as always James...
Hhh the song is hilarious 😅 Thanks for the work man, I wish you could go through the piping connection for the pump after its all done and soldered. Tbanks anyway
Hi, my water is heated by the gas not the emersion tank, therefor it's gravity fed, could I install a water pump? Really enjoyed watching you refurbing the parents shower.
Although best practice is to use either a top entry or side entry flange where possible, If the pump is to be located below the top of the hot water cylinder you can connect directly to the hot water supply. Just make sure you first angle the pipe upwards between 3 and 45 degrees and tee into the bottom cylinder. Refer to the installation guide for more advice. :)
I know this is an old video but I have a question. Can i spur off the water pump in the airing cupboard and run a mixer shower in another bathroom? My daughter keeps using our shower!
I know this is years old but would this work for water in a garden shed. There was a triton aqua sensation shower. It broke so took that out and have hot and cold plus regular shower like you have in demo. It's for washing my dogs lol just need more power. Thank you
Hi 1.5 bar water pump 3 storey house, if one show at the 2nd floor is in use, the 3rd floor shower, no water coming out. Will this be posible to upgrade the water pump into 3bar without any other modification like fuse box etc.
Please help. I have recently had this same shower pump installed in the airing cupboard next to the cylinder. The gravity flow is more than 1 litre per minute. When the shower lever is in the middle 50:50 mix of hot and cold the pump pulses. Ok when the lever is moved to more hot or cold mix. The system has been bleed of air. No issue with the shower head or shower lever as these have been checked and are free of debris. Any help greatly appreciated.
This is great, I have one question - We have the same set up but after about 10 minutes the pump shuts off and the shower stops, then once the tank in the loft fills again (about 20 minutes) the pump starts again ... is the pump drawing more water than the tank can refill thus less pressure - How do I cure that?
Or you can link a second 50 gal tank to the first. You do not need a second ball valve, just link them from the outlet piping and tee that pipework together.
Salamander insist that flux is washed out before connection and that the pump is purged before connecting to the outlets to fill the chambers. Then to do what you did with the valves before powering up. Is this the same for your pump? Also flanges to be fitted at the hot cylinder to avoid air intake to the pump. Just fitted the 4th pump in less than as many years- turns out that he didn’t check the flow rate so ordered the wrong pump in the first place and didn’t put a S- flange on the hot tank!! Plumbing makes me nervous but had to sort it myself in the end. Advised to use a universal pump by the helpful people at Salamander.
All soldering must be completed and the pipes should be cleaned and flushed through before the pump is installed. Solder flux is very acidic and will melt the plastic components of the pump away resulting in leaks.
Hi James, great video this has helped me no end in going to fit my pump, however a couple of questions, you said you've known this to be fitted under the bath, I am considering this but is a hot debate about electrics, would you recommend it under the bath and also as much as your copper work is great, would these work with speedfit pipe and fittings or would it be to powerful pushing a 3bar pump through them, many thanks 👍
love the vids very helpful. could you please help me with my problem? i have searched endlessly but cant see any guides for installing showers in flats ( guess loft applies double for flats). boiler is communial. CWT is in airing cupboard above the hot water cylinder, thats vented to top of the CWT. gravity fed right? i bought a mixer bar low pressure shower (triton tees) i get approx 9 litre pm from bathroom sink taps. manual says min 8lp min for best results. so im borderline., was going to install until i saw this video! ok so i must need a pump, universal, centrifuge, twin but how many bars?. normally 1.5 for flat? but i read it says 3 bar if large shower head. the one i have is 200x200 what do u reckon , 2 bar plenty? thank you oh yea im a painter need any help il film myself toshing a flat out
Thanks for this , You've put my mind at rest over a couple of concerns re an installation I've just had done. Unfortunately though, his pipework is a bit like spaghetti!
Should the feet sit on a solid surface (not screwed down just resting)?Just had this exact pump installed and there is few mm clearance under the rubber feet, so it is hanging from the flexible hoses. Could this be why the pump is very noisy compared to the one in your video?
Can the hot feed faucets degrade on these? I’ve got black specks in my hot water in the bath, which is supplied via one of these pumps. I’ve replaced the tap faucets but still have the problem, am wondering if the pump faucets are on their way out. It is at least 15yrs old. None of my other hot taps show any specks, so it is definitely something on this pumped circuit.
Hi James. What if my pipe arrangements are different. I have my cold water inlet at the top and my hot water outlet at the bottom of my tank. Can I still connected a pump to the outlet please?
Recommendations for low pressure flow rate to Hot tap in kitchen in a flat. Immersion heater tank with integrated water tank. Flow rate ok at bath tap and basin in bathroom.
Could you tell me please tell where you purchase your 15mm inline valves with Y strainer, struggling to find them, it is either a stop valve or the Y strainer not both :(
Glad you didn't let us down and had that compulsory shower. :-) Kelly was quite surprised when she heard you sing my name. She was like "What the hell did he do that for?" - Cos I paid for it hehe. You didn't mention giving one of these away, suppose I'll just have to buy one myself :-) Hold Tight x
How can I find out the type of shower I need to buy that suits my number is shower needs. Bathroom on 2nd floor, tank in loaf area, thermostatic mixer shower head.
That really depends on what you want to achieve with your system. Do you want a pump to just feed your shower or do you want the pump to feed the whole house. Either way could be costly. It wasnt really touched on in this video but the size of the header tank James fitted is important. for any booster pump you need a minimum of 40gals of stored water, and that's for a single shower/outlet. If your feeding multiple showers/outlets then you need a greater amount of stored water. The last basic shower pump install I priced came in at £600 and that's because the stored water was too little and due to the loft hatch size I had to buy 2 smaller tanks and link them together to achieve the 40 gals needed to meet manufacturers requirements. If your going to be feeding multiple outlets you could potentially add a further £200 - £400 to that bill depending on what pump size and type is required. You could get a combi as you mentioned but again we dont know your hot water requirements or what your supply pressures are so we cant accurately answer that. Theres always an option but we need all the info first to answer you correctly.
Hi great video. Can I ask you will increasing the height of our water tank in the attic make any difference to our shower pressure? Also can a shower pump be fitted at a later date or should it be done when you are having a bathroom refit?
I've been advised by multiple plumbers that if I want to live in my house for more than a couple of years, then don't buy the showermate, get the monsoon instead. The warranty for the showermate is 5 times shorter for a reason (apparently).
James, I’ve got 3 bar on my mains cold feed but 0.5 bar on the gravity fed hot. Can you do a vid we’re only the hot is pump pressurised and a equalising valve is used to balance the two?
Hi, I recently changed my shower pump from wickes shower pump to Stuart Turner showermate 1.5 bar shower pump but after changing the pump, new Stuart Turner pump is pulsing intermittently whereas with old shower pump I never had this issue. Even the guy who installed it doesn't have any clue about it. If you have any idea or suggestion. I would be very grateful and much appreciated. Many thanks in advance.
We have one of these pumps fitted in our 1st floor bathroom, that is used for loft room bath and shower. It keeps stopping and water is not being pumped up. Plus the pump runs on its own even when no water is being used. This happens all the time and getting air locks all the time. So the pump is working but no water is coming out of the shower and bath. We need a solution to this as it’s happening about 5 times every month.Our maintenance bill is going to be rediculous. Any solution would be a great help, Dyno plumbing suggested an Essex Flange, but said it will cost us another £300.
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plumberparts how can I soundproof the pump ? Our pump was installed in the adjacent bedroom (no room in bathroom) and is currently not boxed in so is very noisy. Is it safe just to build a frame around it ? Would I add sound proofing to the inside ? Is their a danger it could get too hot ? Thanks
plumberparts sorry forgot to ask sometimes when I switch the shower on no water comes out until I turn a sink Tap on and then the shower kicks in and water comes out- what would likely be the cause of this ?
Patreon singing - priceless mate
When is the album out 🎶😂
I swear to God, watching people dos what they love is hella satisfying.
Lots of information and an amusing delivery. Having watched your video I went ahead and had a new Stuart Turner pump fitted at the base of the cylinder,. This was replacing an old noisy one that has lived under the bath for over ten years. The plumber fitted the new pump almost exactly the way you have, lovely installation. Regrettably the pump started to weep on the cold side after just over a month of being installed. I contacted Stuart Turner and they wanted pictures of the installation.
They have refused warranty stating that the angle, on the pipe at the top of the tank for the hot water supply is insufficient. So even though it is the COLD water side that is weeping, warranty is refused because they say the HOT side is not fitted correctly.
I urge anyone fitting a pump to follow the fitting instructions explicitly, no matter how expensive that may be, as any failure will have your warranty claim rejected.
Fantastic video and instructions for those DIY heads who need to know that the Domestic Water Shower pump is COLD FEEDER TANK "in" with corresponding cold pumped action "out" to shower/upstairs /// and Emersion HOT "in" with Emersion HOT "out". After 3 years of thinking about it, I think I can now replace my knackered pump myself (after I examine it) and avoid being stung for a £600 / £800 plumbers bill ! You are a sublime teacher ... superb video ! Kev (Ireland)
No worries Kev, 1 year later!
James I love your videos, showing your extensive experience and also your great sense of humor....
Never thought that the knowledge can be passed in this funny way ....
Keep going, we waiting for next video
Cheers mate 👍
Thanks man!
As part of legionella control what we do at my firm (commercial mainly) is bring the expansion pipe up over the tank and then back down, into a visible tundish, then a fanny trap and tee into the waste or discharge out as you would a D2 on the unvented system. This is to prevent the warm water mixing with the cold bringing the temp of the cwst into the 20C or above which is a breeding ground for bscteria.
Just a thought, may become mandatory at some point.
Cheers for a great video bud. Atb
A really handy video I stumbled across. Our builders when fitting a downstairs shower room took the hot and cold feed from under the sink. It runs under the kitchen and extension floor and then up to the shower mixer. It takes forever to get hot and often have to run cold for ages first then switch over to hot slowly. We have a pump for the upstairs shower but that doesn’t kick in with the downstairs. Can I put a pump between the downstairs shower and where they have taken the feed from under the sink?
Hello just watched your video. Very informative.
My landlord just put a pump under the bath, I don't see much improvement and its really noisy. Is that normal?
Thank
I have the exact setup you described. But loads of pressure on the cold feed to bath/shower mixer tap. It's just the hot feed that dribbles. I assume I need Stuart Turner Techflo TP Standard 2.0 Bar Single Impeller Shower Pump - 49086 for £85. And that I cut into the hot water feed. Can I do it with a plastic pipe? I am in a rental property and on leaving I have to put it back to as found. So my thought is to cut into their 22mm copper pipe to interrupt the flow. Install the pump. Then when I finally leave take out the pump and patch the copper pipe.
An excellent video, thanks. I'm amazed you'd go the bother in building a whole demo system in your workshop... There must be money in TH-cam!
Hi glad you mentioned putting the pump under the bath,that's what I was going to ask. One question do I put the supply for the bath taps before or after the pump??thanks in advance great channel
very helpful informative video, thank you. i had been struggling to work out why the showers in the old house i have just moved into had such rubbish pressure, i thought the problem was the undersized service pipe into the house but now i realise it is a gravity fed open vented system exactly like the one you demonstrate, i realise this is the main issue. my question is this; do i need one of these pumps for each of the 3 showers in the house or can i plumb the pump next to the tank to power all of the showers if they are not all being used at the same time? two up stairs, one downstairs and the hot water cylinder and boiler are upstairs in the main bathroom next to the main shower?
In determining whether a positive head or negative pump is needed you say 1 litre per minute is needed from the existing tank set up - is that where the pump will be fitted or at the highest point that the shower head will be situated? Thanks
My own plumber recommended a Stuart Turner pump to power 2 showers , brilliant bit of kit
Hi, love the videos, just 1 question, is an essex/ surrey flange needed to stop the pump drawing air from vent pipe?
Essex flange every time.
Greetings from Ireland...excellent video mate! I'll be installing the very same pump in next few days and I'll be following your instructions to a tea...( the tea is for after all that work!)
I love this vid, very informative. It definitely helped my confusion with negative and positive head pump. Thanks for this video
Watching your video after the company that my landlord employ has so far cost me 2 months of my life! All three pumps, Salamander have been okay but they have put them all on shared feeds. I need DIY SOS
Is it worth installing a Surrey flange on the hot water cylinder, or do modern pumps not need this? cheers.
Great video. I've got a question mate. We have a shower pump to our main bathroom fed by gravity water tank and vented cylinder storage. Problem is when the shower is on it works fine, but once you turn off the shower tap the water pump engine is still working and it won't switch off! I have to go up to the loft to turn the fuse switch off to stop it and over heating. Why doesn't it isolate the water pump off? It used to work a fine before... Many thanks!
If the shower valve is passing water 💧 in the off position, You don’t give the location of the shower pump. If the location of the pump is in the loft, It should be a negative head pump , If not check the pressure switch. Don’t understand why 13 Amp spur switch is in the loft. Unless pump is located in the bathroom 🚽
U got the talent man! Awesomely claryfied the problem for many of us. Many thanks for the video and all the best! :)
How much would you recommend a job like this should cost using a local plumber? Also is an electrician required for the pump? As my airing cupboard doesn't have an electric socket?
Great video once again James!
Very instructional, simply explained and outlines the whole concept.
Stay safe and keep it up. Big up! 🙌
Love the video. Our basin tap water pressure became low and high especially with low volume setting after change to new pump. Why? What should we do?
brilliant video thank you. I am putting in a new bathroom in march and wanted to replace the electric shower with a mixer shower... our water pressure is piss poor for that exact reason. the feeder tank is right above the hot water tank. should I still move the header tank in to the loft, or would just a pump like that solve the problem without moving it??
Great to see your channel expand, James. So informative, and also very funny at the same time. I'd say 'Cheers to that' - keep up the good work! HOLD TIGHT!!
Very informative and entertaining! I might even pluck the courage up to fit my own shower pump now! 😂👍🙏
Great videos, quick question I’ve installed a shower pump a few years ago in the airing cupboard just for the shower , now I’ve just upgraded and put new taps in kitchen and basin but with new taps the pressure has dropped can I install another pump in the airing cupboard nearest to the hot water tank just on the hot water feed so that I get more pressure on the taps ( just the hot water cold is fine )and will it affect the original shower pump I installed , thanks.
WHAT IS THE FLOW FROM ANY INSTALLED SHOWER OR OTHER OUTLET WITHOUT A PUMP FITTED? - We have a gravity fed system in our home and in our bathroom upstairs on our bath tub we mixer taps installed with a middle plunger that we pull up for the shower hose head. Would this test filling up a 1 liter jug be from ONLY the hot water tap on full or with both hot and cold taps both on full through the shower hose head when doing the test to see how much water has filled up in the bucket/jug over 60 seconds? Thanks
Just seen this, I have a very noisy pump, I know they should have some noise but this is on another level, also I have a leak were the hot water enters the pump. How much should it cost me to get shower pump and leak sorted?, By a decent plumber.
Been a minute since I’ve watched one if you’d videos.. wow! Congrats on levelling up! This was absolutely awesome 👏🏻
Hi mate. Amazing video. Thank you so much. I've just fitted the exact same pump and exact same set-up. My pressure is now great. My only issue now is that my brand new thermostatic bar mixer shower is not getting really hot. It does get really hot however if I isolate the cold feed. I'm thinking it's the thermostatic cartridge but it's brand new. Any ideas?
Good video, well explained and cleared up a few questions i was having. Also proved that my cousin in-law who is a heating engineer by trade was wrong as he told me it wouldnt be possible to do what you have just done in that video. Keep up the good work.
How do you pipe up the pump differently if you want the pump to run a shower only vs kicking in for all hot taps in the house as well? I've seen it that some people want the pump to run just a shower and have the hot taps gravity only bypassing the pump and also seen it where people want the pump to kick in for the whole house. Please explain how you'd pipe both ways. Thanks.
Hello Mate
You videos are really great. My plumber has installed a salamander pump for my new bathroom. But the pressure is not very great. I can see that from my tanks(hot on floor level and cold in loft) the pipes coming out are 22mm which coming upto my bathroom. But in old bathroom out of those main 22mm supply , sink and shower used to have a 15 mm pipes.
But the guys who did the rework on bathroom has taken the input for shower pump from 15mm old pipes and i think same he has put to shower and other areas of bathroom. Can you suggest if this could be problem for the low pressure. Also like to ask if input pipe to pump can be 22m while outgoing can be 15 mm?
Can you install a pump in the loft next to the cold water tank to supply an electric shower in the bathroom below? So 22mm off the bottom of the cold water tank, to the universal pump, then on to the electric shower?
Great video, i have a negative pump fitted that isnt working properly but i had way over 1ltr per minute so a positive pump would of been fine! some people have said you should have an Essex flange fitted???
James. You really do go over and beyond to help folks with these vids. There is more than enough here for a novice DIYer to tackle this job. There was one thing missing ..... you did not wash yourself with Brasso?
hi just to clarify i will be using a pump with 22mm inlets and outlets the thermostatic valve is 15mm inlet (G 1/2) so where should i reduce the pipe from 22mm to 15mm i was thinking almost directly b4 the thermostatic valve would this be right?? many thanks in advance
I’m not a plumber but I loved this!!!!🤣
Beautiful soldering is a work of copper art.
love this video,thank you, can you use any pump for hot water tap in the bath? the cold water is working fine good pressure but the hot is very bad and slow due to the same problem you just showed us,thank you
If pumping hot only to a mixer tap make sure you use a Universal pump to ensure it starts every time. The higher pressure on the cold side of the mixer can prevent the flow switch on a positive head pump from working correctly.
What should this job take in hours, looks like a 2hr job max for a plumber?
Does the pump have to be the last thing before the shower, or can be it upstream from everything else in the house (the taps)? We have a shower which is just a bit weak, but everything else is fine, but it'd be annoying to have to replumb everything so this can be placed correctly. Not sure where abouts my shower pipes come off the main supplies after the hot water tank.
Great video! 🔥 Oh man i'm so confused now, living with no electric but i have a big generator, wanted to run a washing machine and one of those gas powered showers, washing machine deffo needs a pump though but now worried if i buy the pump it might not work, my water coming from an ibc tank any advice greatly appreciated thanks
I’ve watched your vid twice now. Love your style and straightforward approach. As an amateur DIYer, gonna take the plunge and give this a go. Two Qs: 1) can’t find those inline strainers anywhere. Can you share a link. 2) Going to site my pump next to he tank in airing cupboard however my CW / HW feed needs to go back into the loft to rejoin existing 22mm pipe work back and down to the shower. Is this a problem going back up to loft using 22mm > 15mm > 22mm ?
haha - I love the singing section James- was you!? lol.. {BGT is missing out}! nice - helpful reminder as havent fitted a new pump for a while.. - cheers. Keep up the great work..
Can it be installed in attic (just after water tank) ?
Love the singing treat too on top of the shower pump tutorial!
Hi Great video,Is the cold water inlet and outlet on the same side as the electric cable.Thanks
I have this exact pump Stuart turner ecomate 2 bar. It's being used for approximately only 2 hours in total. It feeds two showers. Only one shower is ever used at any one time. Today it stopped working again. When I turn on the showers there is only a dribble of water and the shower just makes a humming sound. I turned off the pump and ran the showers in all positions as you did in the video to purge the pump but it made no difference. Any ideas what could be the problem. Thanks for your help.
Same
After posting this I disconnected the pump from the power and water connections to take a closer look at it. When I looked at the bottom of the pump I could see where crystals had formed on the outside of the motor where there is obviously a small leak. I then removed the covers on each end of the pump to have a closer look. Here you should be able to turn the motor shaft freely but it wouldn't turn. It was completely seized. I proceeded and removed the plastic wheels off either end of the shaft that are used to propel the water through the pump. I then clamped a vice grip on one end of the motor shaft and gave it a good hard twist to get the motor moving again it worked. I reassembled and connected the pump back up to the water and power supply. Before turning on the power I purged the pump. I then turned on the power and tried the shower again. It now works again but a small leak remains at one end of the motor. As far as I know you cannot get spare parts for motor for this particular pump. The motor is in one sealed unaccessible unit. So I was told by a Stuart turner agent in Ireland. I was left with no option but to order a new one or else a different model. I can assure you the leak was not caused by the water being too hot (65 degrees Celsius as mentioned in there manual) entering the pump. Tank emersion turns off at 50 degrees Celsius. Also the leak happened on the side where the cold water was connected not the hot. I reckon it's just a cheap crappy pump. I would not recommend it to anyone. Hope this helps someone out.
Some neat copper pipework bending between the cold and hot supplies from the mixer dropping down to the shower pump. Some guidance on this pipe bending wizardry to avoid clashes (crossover's) and then back to the wall for pipe support would be much appreciated - both 15 and 22?. Great video and presentation as always James...
Nice practical video to show. What i'm learning at college theoretically 👍👍👍 thanks 🏆🏆🏆
Can waterpumps be used to increase shower with shower beings fed by a combiboiler and not a tank...
Not 1 video on the internet explains where to get power for the pump in a hot press. The pipework part is obvious but how do you power it.
Hhh the song is hilarious 😅
Thanks for the work man, I wish you could go through the piping connection for the pump after its all done and soldered. Tbanks anyway
Hi, my water is heated by the gas not the emersion tank, therefor it's gravity fed, could I install a water pump? Really enjoyed watching you refurbing the parents shower.
yes...yes
Don't you have to use a different flange on the hot water to prevent air being sucked out?
Although best practice is to use either a top entry or side entry flange where possible, If the pump is to be located below the top of the hot water cylinder you can connect directly to the hot water supply. Just make sure you first angle the pipe upwards between 3 and 45 degrees and tee into the bottom cylinder. Refer to the installation guide for more advice. :)
@@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames Just to clarify my understanding you can add a shower to a pipes shared with other outlets?
I know this is an old video but I have a question.
Can i spur off the water pump in the airing cupboard and run a mixer shower in another bathroom? My daughter keeps using our shower!
I know this is years old but would this work for water in a garden shed. There was a triton aqua sensation shower. It broke so took that out and have hot and cold plus regular shower like you have in demo. It's for washing my dogs lol just need more power. Thank you
Do you suggest screwing the pump down? I imagine there would be some movement on the rubber feet when running.
Hi 1.5 bar water pump 3 storey house, if one show at the 2nd floor is in use, the 3rd floor shower, no water coming out. Will this be posible to upgrade the water pump into 3bar without any other modification like fuse box etc.
WHAM! Are alive and well. Haha Love it. Seriously though, this video is great. It took me a while to learn all of this from a lot of reading.
the flexies to the pump, you did them up just hand tight ??
Please help. I have recently had this same shower pump installed in the airing cupboard next to the cylinder. The gravity flow is more than 1 litre per minute. When the shower lever is in the middle 50:50 mix of hot and cold the pump pulses. Ok when the lever is moved to more hot or cold mix. The system has been bleed of air. No issue with the shower head or shower lever as these have been checked and are free of debris. Any help greatly appreciated.
This is great, I have one question - We have the same set up but after about 10 minutes the pump shuts off and the shower stops, then once the tank in the loft fills again (about 20 minutes) the pump starts again ... is the pump drawing more water than the tank can refill thus less pressure - How do I cure that?
Fit a bigger or secondary tank in the loft.
Or you can link a second 50 gal tank to the first. You do not need a second ball valve, just link them from the outlet piping and tee that pipework together.
Salamander insist that flux is washed out before connection and that the pump is purged before connecting to the outlets to fill the chambers. Then to do what you did with the valves before powering up. Is this the same for your pump? Also flanges to be fitted at the hot cylinder to avoid air intake to the pump. Just fitted the 4th pump in less than as many years- turns out that he didn’t check the flow rate so ordered the wrong pump in the first place and didn’t put a S- flange on the hot tank!! Plumbing makes me nervous but had to sort it myself in the end. Advised to use a universal pump by the helpful people at Salamander.
All soldering must be completed and the pipes should be cleaned and flushed through before the pump is installed. Solder flux is very acidic and will melt the plastic components of the pump away resulting in leaks.
Hi James, great video this has helped me no end in going to fit my pump, however a couple of questions, you said you've known this to be fitted under the bath, I am considering this but is a hot debate about electrics, would you recommend it under the bath and also as much as your copper work is great, would these work with speedfit pipe and fittings or would it be to powerful pushing a 3bar pump through them, many thanks 👍
Ive been asked to install a twin impella pump in the loft. Ive always installed them in the airing cupboard. Is it ok to put it in the loft?
That’s hilarious James, never heard plumbing lyrics before! :)
I would always fit an essex outlet on the tank to make sure no air feeds to the pump , and separate outlet to the handbasin etc .
love the vids very helpful. could you please help me with my problem?
i have searched endlessly but cant see any guides for installing showers in flats ( guess loft applies double for flats). boiler is communial. CWT is in airing cupboard above the hot water cylinder, thats vented to top of the CWT. gravity fed right?
i bought a mixer bar low pressure shower (triton tees) i get approx 9 litre pm from bathroom sink taps. manual says min 8lp min for best results. so im borderline., was going to install until i saw this video!
ok so i must need a pump, universal, centrifuge, twin but how many bars?. normally 1.5 for flat? but i read it says 3 bar if large shower head. the one i have is 200x200
what do u reckon , 2 bar plenty? thank you
oh yea im a painter need any help il film myself toshing a flat out
Thanks for this , You've put my mind at rest over a couple of concerns re an installation I've just had done. Unfortunately though, his pipework is a bit like spaghetti!
Should the feet sit on a solid surface (not screwed down just resting)?Just had this exact pump installed and there is few mm clearance under the rubber feet, so it is hanging from the flexible hoses. Could this be why the pump is very noisy compared to the one in your video?
Looks like all your pipe work is 15mm to and from shower ?
Another great video. Lots of explanations as to why you do things. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Can the hot feed faucets degrade on these? I’ve got black specks in my hot water in the bath, which is supplied via one of these pumps. I’ve replaced the tap faucets but still have the problem, am wondering if the pump faucets are on their way out. It is at least 15yrs old. None of my other hot taps show any specks, so it is definitely something on this pumped circuit.
Can you use this on a poor water power electric gravity fed shower
Hi James. What if my pipe arrangements are different. I have my cold water inlet at the top and my hot water outlet at the bottom of my tank. Can I still connected a pump to the outlet please?
Recommendations for low pressure flow rate to Hot tap in kitchen in a flat. Immersion heater tank with integrated water tank. Flow rate ok at bath tap and basin in bathroom.
Had a salamder CT50 that failed after only 2 months, just put in a stuart turner so time will tell if these are better.
How's the new pump going?
Still going strong!
Need help; Can we connect 22mm copper pipe to a shower pump which 15mm connectors? Or must buy 22mm connector shower pump for 22mm copper pipe.
Thanks
Our family bathroom desperately needs a pump it gets about 1.6/7 litres a minute but its really lacking. Good to know I now need a +ve head pump.
Could you tell me please tell where you purchase your 15mm inline valves with Y strainer, struggling to find them, it is either a stop valve or the Y strainer not both :(
Glad you didn't let us down and had that compulsory shower. :-) Kelly was quite surprised when she heard you sing my name. She was like "What the hell did he do that for?" - Cos I paid for it hehe. You didn't mention giving one of these away, suppose I'll just have to buy one myself :-)
Hold Tight x
Excellent videos mate. Really enjoyed it. Thanks for the information
Most talented plumber ever! :D great content my dude, have a great one!
How can I find out the type of shower I need to buy that suits my number is shower needs. Bathroom on 2nd floor, tank in loaf area, thermostatic mixer shower head.
Am I better fitting this pump closer to the cistern or the shower?
hi mate i am just wondering if its worth me getting a shower pump for my gravity fed system or just to change it to a combi boiler?
cheers!.
That really depends on what you want to achieve with your system. Do you want a pump to just feed your shower or do you want the pump to feed the whole house. Either way could be costly. It wasnt really touched on in this video but the size of the header tank James fitted is important. for any booster pump you need a minimum of 40gals of stored water, and that's for a single shower/outlet. If your feeding multiple showers/outlets then you need a greater amount of stored water. The last basic shower pump install I priced came in at £600 and that's because the stored water was too little and due to the loft hatch size I had to buy 2 smaller tanks and link them together to achieve the 40 gals needed to meet manufacturers requirements. If your going to be feeding multiple outlets you could potentially add a further £200 - £400 to that bill depending on what pump size and type is required.
You could get a combi as you mentioned but again we dont know your hot water requirements or what your supply pressures are so we cant accurately answer that. Theres always an option but we need all the info first to answer you correctly.
Brilliant video. Do you need to install a bigger immersion tank as the hot water supply is increased by using the pump?
Hi great video. Can I ask you will increasing the height of our water tank in the attic make any difference to our shower pressure? Also can a shower pump be fitted at a later date or should it be done when you are having a bathroom refit?
Every 10 meters of height for the tank you get 1 bar.
So in 3 story buildings tall buildings you tend to see these systems alot still.
Do it while the bathrooms being done.
Power to the shower. R&B soundtrack is good 🌈
I've been advised by multiple plumbers that if I want to live in my house for more than a couple of years, then don't buy the showermate, get the monsoon instead. The warranty for the showermate is 5 times shorter for a reason (apparently).
James, I’ve got 3 bar on my mains cold feed but 0.5 bar on the gravity fed hot. Can you do a vid we’re only the hot is pump pressurised and a equalising valve is used to balance the two?
Hi,
I recently changed my shower pump from wickes shower pump to Stuart Turner showermate 1.5 bar shower pump but after changing the pump, new Stuart Turner pump is pulsing intermittently whereas with old shower pump I never had this issue. Even the guy who installed it doesn't have any clue about it. If you have any idea or suggestion. I would be very grateful and much appreciated. Many thanks in advance.
Is there no noise from the pump ? I have a new shower pump fitted but it is very noisy ! Is the installation incorrect ?
Love that copper. Solid information - thank you.
The pump has built in pressure switch ? It only runs when shower tap turned on ?
We have one of these pumps fitted in our 1st floor bathroom, that is used for loft room bath and shower. It keeps stopping and water is not being pumped up. Plus the pump runs on its own even when no water is being used. This happens all the time and getting air locks all the time. So the pump is working but no water is coming out of the shower and bath. We need a solution to this as it’s happening about 5 times every month.Our maintenance bill is going to be rediculous. Any solution would be a great help, Dyno plumbing suggested an Essex Flange, but said it will cost us another £300.