HOW TO FIT A SHOWER PUMP - Stuart Turner Showermate Review
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- How to fit a shower pump and how they work.
We install a Stuart Turner Showermate on a vented system and talk about the relation between head pressure and how shower pumps work and why they sometimes fail (its due to installation failure!) For more information, check the links here.
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plumberparts how can I soundproof the pump ? Our pump was installed in the adjacent bedroom (no room in bathroom) and is currently not boxed in so is very noisy. Is it safe just to build a frame around it ? Would I add sound proofing to the inside ? Is their a danger it could get too hot ? Thanks
plumberparts sorry forgot to ask sometimes when I switch the shower on no water comes out until I turn a sink Tap on and then the shower kicks in and water comes out- what would likely be the cause of this ?
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As part of legionella control what we do at my firm (commercial mainly) is bring the expansion pipe up over the tank and then back down, into a visible tundish, then a fanny trap and tee into the waste or discharge out as you would a D2 on the unvented system. This is to prevent the warm water mixing with the cold bringing the temp of the cwst into the 20C or above which is a breeding ground for bscteria.
Just a thought, may become mandatory at some point.
Cheers for a great video bud. Atb
A really handy video I stumbled across. Our builders when fitting a downstairs shower room took the hot and cold feed from under the sink. It runs under the kitchen and extension floor and then up to the shower mixer. It takes forever to get hot and often have to run cold for ages first then switch over to hot slowly. We have a pump for the upstairs shower but that doesn’t kick in with the downstairs. Can I put a pump between the downstairs shower and where they have taken the feed from under the sink?
I would always fit an essex outlet on the tank to make sure no air feeds to the pump , and separate outlet to the handbasin etc .
Hi, love the videos, just 1 question, is an essex/ surrey flange needed to stop the pump drawing air from vent pipe?
Essex flange every time.
Often when turning off the hot tap (it's a lever type tap) in the bathroom next to the shower our pump will turn on for a fraction of a second. What can be done to stop this?
This is what we refer to as ‘nuisance switching’ and is caused by a pocket of air being trapped between the pump and the shower. The air acts as a spring and causes the water to move back and forth through the pump triggering the flow switches briefly. Clear the trapped air and the issue should go away.
My insurance Policy states in the Water Leakage Section that the Policy is void if a leak comes from a flexible hose, that ST Pump has four so good luck making a claim buddy!😂
Is that true even for equipment? Inside your boiler will have flexi’s, equipment like pumps can work harden the rigid pipes like copper and cause cracking at the copper, this is where flexi’s act like a bellow to absorb the vibration to prevent failures
Insurance doesn't seem worth the paper it's written on , Flexi hoses are used on most taps in most houses .
Don't you have to use a different flange on the hot water to prevent air being sucked out?
Although best practice is to use either a top entry or side entry flange where possible, If the pump is to be located below the top of the hot water cylinder you can connect directly to the hot water supply. Just make sure you first angle the pipe upwards between 3 and 45 degrees and tee into the bottom cylinder. Refer to the installation guide for more advice. :)
@@StuartTurnerLtdHenleyonThames Just to clarify my understanding you can add a shower to a pipes shared with other outlets?
I have the exact setup you described. But loads of pressure on the cold feed to bath/shower mixer tap. It's just the hot feed that dribbles. I assume I need Stuart Turner Techflo TP Standard 2.0 Bar Single Impeller Shower Pump - 49086 for £85. And that I cut into the hot water feed. Can I do it with a plastic pipe? I am in a rental property and on leaving I have to put it back to as found. So my thought is to cut into their 22mm copper pipe to interrupt the flow. Install the pump. Then when I finally leave take out the pump and patch the copper pipe.
Hi glad you mentioned putting the pump under the bath,that's what I was going to ask. One question do I put the supply for the bath taps before or after the pump??thanks in advance great channel
Great video. I've got a question mate. We have a shower pump to our main bathroom fed by gravity water tank and vented cylinder storage. Problem is when the shower is on it works fine, but once you turn off the shower tap the water pump engine is still working and it won't switch off! I have to go up to the loft to turn the fuse switch off to stop it and over heating. Why doesn't it isolate the water pump off? It used to work a fine before... Many thanks!
If the shower valve is passing water 💧 in the off position, You don’t give the location of the shower pump. If the location of the pump is in the loft, It should be a negative head pump , If not check the pressure switch. Don’t understand why 13 Amp spur switch is in the loft. Unless pump is located in the bathroom 🚽
Love that music 😂 brilliant
I have this exact pump Stuart turner ecomate 2 bar. It's being used for approximately only 2 hours in total. It feeds two showers. Only one shower is ever used at any one time. Today it stopped working again. When I turn on the showers there is only a dribble of water and the shower just makes a humming sound. I turned off the pump and ran the showers in all positions as you did in the video to purge the pump but it made no difference. Any ideas what could be the problem. Thanks for your help.
Same
After posting this I disconnected the pump from the power and water connections to take a closer look at it. When I looked at the bottom of the pump I could see where crystals had formed on the outside of the motor where there is obviously a small leak. I then removed the covers on each end of the pump to have a closer look. Here you should be able to turn the motor shaft freely but it wouldn't turn. It was completely seized. I proceeded and removed the plastic wheels off either end of the shaft that are used to propel the water through the pump. I then clamped a vice grip on one end of the motor shaft and gave it a good hard twist to get the motor moving again it worked. I reassembled and connected the pump back up to the water and power supply. Before turning on the power I purged the pump. I then turned on the power and tried the shower again. It now works again but a small leak remains at one end of the motor. As far as I know you cannot get spare parts for motor for this particular pump. The motor is in one sealed unaccessible unit. So I was told by a Stuart turner agent in Ireland. I was left with no option but to order a new one or else a different model. I can assure you the leak was not caused by the water being too hot (65 degrees Celsius as mentioned in there manual) entering the pump. Tank emersion turns off at 50 degrees Celsius. Also the leak happened on the side where the cold water was connected not the hot. I reckon it's just a cheap crappy pump. I would not recommend it to anyone. Hope this helps someone out.
hi just to clarify i will be using a pump with 22mm inlets and outlets the thermostatic valve is 15mm inlet (G 1/2) so where should i reduce the pipe from 22mm to 15mm i was thinking almost directly b4 the thermostatic valve would this be right?? many thanks in advance
Did you use a surrey flange on the tank?
He didn't, and he used 15mm pipe instead of 22mm. Cut a few corners which is a bit misleading.
haha - I love the singing section James- was you!? lol.. {BGT is missing out}! nice - helpful reminder as havent fitted a new pump for a while.. - cheers. Keep up the great work..
Hello just watched your video. Very informative.
My landlord just put a pump under the bath, I don't see much improvement and its really noisy. Is that normal?
Thank
James. You really do go over and beyond to help folks with these vids. There is more than enough here for a novice DIYer to tackle this job. There was one thing missing ..... you did not wash yourself with Brasso?
How do you pipe up the pump differently if you want the pump to run a shower only vs kicking in for all hot taps in the house as well? I've seen it that some people want the pump to run just a shower and have the hot taps gravity only bypassing the pump and also seen it where people want the pump to kick in for the whole house. Please explain how you'd pipe both ways. Thanks.
Can you install a pump in the loft next to the cold water tank to supply an electric shower in the bathroom below? So 22mm off the bottom of the cold water tank, to the universal pump, then on to the electric shower?
How much would you recommend a job like this should cost using a local plumber? Also is an electrician required for the pump? As my airing cupboard doesn't have an electric socket?
Please help. I have recently had this same shower pump installed in the airing cupboard next to the cylinder. The gravity flow is more than 1 litre per minute. When the shower lever is in the middle 50:50 mix of hot and cold the pump pulses. Ok when the lever is moved to more hot or cold mix. The system has been bleed of air. No issue with the shower head or shower lever as these have been checked and are free of debris. Any help greatly appreciated.
Is it worth installing a Surrey flange on the hot water cylinder, or do modern pumps not need this? cheers.
very helpful informative video, thank you. i had been struggling to work out why the showers in the old house i have just moved into had such rubbish pressure, i thought the problem was the undersized service pipe into the house but now i realise it is a gravity fed open vented system exactly like the one you demonstrate, i realise this is the main issue. my question is this; do i need one of these pumps for each of the 3 showers in the house or can i plumb the pump next to the tank to power all of the showers if they are not all being used at the same time? two up stairs, one downstairs and the hot water cylinder and boiler are upstairs in the main bathroom next to the main shower?
How can I find out the type of shower I need to buy that suits my number is shower needs. Bathroom on 2nd floor, tank in loaf area, thermostatic mixer shower head.
Plumber told me can’t fit me pump because will drain out my hot water too fast ….
Also told me I can’t have mixer for my sink because i have pipes for low pressure and the tap I bought is for height pressure… never heard such thing for taps
Pipeworks wrong,
Hot feed off tank should be at a 45. Should of used a S flange aswell. Lot less chance of getting air in the pump.
Can waterpumps be used to increase shower with shower beings fed by a combiboiler and not a tank...
I know this is an old video but I have a question.
Can i spur off the water pump in the airing cupboard and run a mixer shower in another bathroom? My daughter keeps using our shower!
I must be doing something wrong. Installed the pump. When I turn the tap the pump fires up and the shower pressure is lovely. However when I shut of the tap the pump continues to run and blasts water out the vent on thr roof !
In determining whether a positive head or negative pump is needed you say 1 litre per minute is needed from the existing tank set up - is that where the pump will be fitted or at the highest point that the shower head will be situated? Thanks
I know this is years old but would this work for water in a garden shed. There was a triton aqua sensation shower. It broke so took that out and have hot and cold plus regular shower like you have in demo. It's for washing my dogs lol just need more power. Thank you
Could you tell me please tell where you purchase your 15mm inline valves with Y strainer, struggling to find them, it is either a stop valve or the Y strainer not both :(
Fantastic video and instructions for those DIY heads who need to know that the Domestic Water Shower pump is COLD FEEDER TANK "in" with corresponding cold pumped action "out" to shower/upstairs /// and Emersion HOT "in" with Emersion HOT "out". After 3 years of thinking about it, I think I can now replace my knackered pump myself (after I examine it) and avoid being stung for a £600 / £800 plumbers bill ! You are a sublime teacher ... superb video ! Kev (Ireland)
No worries Kev, 1 year later!
Hello Mate
You videos are really great. My plumber has installed a salamander pump for my new bathroom. But the pressure is not very great. I can see that from my tanks(hot on floor level and cold in loft) the pipes coming out are 22mm which coming upto my bathroom. But in old bathroom out of those main 22mm supply , sink and shower used to have a 15 mm pipes.
But the guys who did the rework on bathroom has taken the input for shower pump from 15mm old pipes and i think same he has put to shower and other areas of bathroom. Can you suggest if this could be problem for the low pressure. Also like to ask if input pipe to pump can be 22m while outgoing can be 15 mm?
Do you sell those shower wife-beaters in your shop? (love your content by the way. Not as much as the retired old dude on the south coast, but you and skill builder are on a par)
Will i need to fit an s flange to a new bar shower with pump? previous shower just ghravity with no pump!!
Glad you didn't let us down and had that compulsory shower. :-) Kelly was quite surprised when she heard you sing my name. She was like "What the hell did he do that for?" - Cos I paid for it hehe. You didn't mention giving one of these away, suppose I'll just have to buy one myself :-)
Hold Tight x
James I love your videos, showing your extensive experience and also your great sense of humor....
Never thought that the knowledge can be passed in this funny way ....
Keep going, we waiting for next video
Cheers mate 👍
Thanks man!
Ive been asked to install a twin impella pump in the loft. Ive always installed them in the airing cupboard. Is it ok to put it in the loft?
Recommendations for low pressure flow rate to Hot tap in kitchen in a flat. Immersion heater tank with integrated water tank. Flow rate ok at bath tap and basin in bathroom.
Hey James. Love this video. So please tell me and put me straight! Are gravity fed systems still fitted? Every plumber that comes to my house says fit a combi (we only have about 9.5 litres/min flow on shared mains, or go unvented! I’m happy with what we have, conventional gravity fed, and I’m sure a pump like this can solve most our issues! Keep up the vids!
Hi Barry, it's maybe a little late to reply to this question but yes, depending on hot water demand and working pressures etc, gravity systems are still fitted and in some circumstances, they can be the best option for a customer.
Not 1 video on the internet explains where to get power for the pump in a hot press. The pipework part is obvious but how do you power it.
I've heard this music before in a video with plumbers. what what he did with his pipe was unspeakable...
Is there no noise from the pump ? I have a new shower pump fitted but it is very noisy ! Is the installation incorrect ?
Why didn’t you turn that tee round so the drain off is on the horizontal save yourself a bend a coupling
What should this job take in hours, looks like a 2hr job max for a plumber?
Well done , thank you , I will be passing on your site to family
The pump has built in pressure switch ? It only runs when shower tap turned on ?
Can it be installed in attic (just after water tank) ?
Can you use this on a poor water power electric gravity fed shower
Does anyone else know why does a second dedicated cold water feed to the shower cistern ?
so no need for a surry flange?
I swear to God, watching people dos what they love is hella satisfying.
How do I ensure that the pump is not connected to the toilet so that it does not come on when the toilet is flushed?
Looks like all your pipe work is 15mm to and from shower ?
The hot feed to the pump really wants to be taken from a shower pump flange into the top of the tank or an Essex flange in the side of the tank to ensure an air free supply of hot water so it doesn't suck air down the vent pipe
Nick Collins I agree nick , shouldn’t of tee hot there 👍
@@rhyswintle4331 shouldn't *have
Why are you not on T.V. ???? Excellent video.
WHAM! Are alive and well. Haha Love it. Seriously though, this video is great. It took me a while to learn all of this from a lot of reading.
Do you not need a Surrey or Essex flange?
LOL I'm feeling proper salty I didnt get a shout out
What kind of red gas cylinder you were doing the soldering?
hi mate i am just wondering if its worth me getting a shower pump for my gravity fed system or just to change it to a combi boiler?
cheers!.
That really depends on what you want to achieve with your system. Do you want a pump to just feed your shower or do you want the pump to feed the whole house. Either way could be costly. It wasnt really touched on in this video but the size of the header tank James fitted is important. for any booster pump you need a minimum of 40gals of stored water, and that's for a single shower/outlet. If your feeding multiple showers/outlets then you need a greater amount of stored water. The last basic shower pump install I priced came in at £600 and that's because the stored water was too little and due to the loft hatch size I had to buy 2 smaller tanks and link them together to achieve the 40 gals needed to meet manufacturers requirements. If your going to be feeding multiple outlets you could potentially add a further £200 - £400 to that bill depending on what pump size and type is required.
You could get a combi as you mentioned but again we dont know your hot water requirements or what your supply pressures are so we cant accurately answer that. Theres always an option but we need all the info first to answer you correctly.
My Stuart Turner Monsoon keeps turning on and off for no apparent reason??
Hi James diy question can a 90 degree street elbow be used with a flexi tail which has a compression valve fitted , cheers mate
I would say if it’s a long tail street elbow then certissimo. Got to be careful with the short ones. Hold tight
the flexies to the pump, you did them up just hand tight ??
Great video and information! Thanks.
It's the vest! 😂
Good video Jimmy 👏
A couple of things for Wednesday:
Should the hot supply pipe from the CW tank be slightly higher than the cold. So if the tank should run low the hot would stop running and prevent scalding. Perhaps it doesn't matter with a thermostatic valve?
Would you advise the use of a flange to prevent air from the hot finding its way into the pump?
Why use strainer valves when there are filters in the pump and at the shower valve?
Yes the hot supply from the CW tank should be slightly higher than the cold services to prevent scalding if the cold water tanks is drained.
Although best practice is to use either a top entry or side entry flange where possible, If the pump is to be located below the top of the hot water cylinder you can connect directly to the hot water supply. Just make sure you first angle the pipe upwards between 30 and 45 degrees and tee into the bottom cylinder. Refer to the installation guide for more advice
There aren’t filters in this model of pump so they will need to be fitted to the pipework before the pump to protect it from any system debris
Power to the shower. R&B soundtrack is good 🌈
I've been advised by multiple plumbers that if I want to live in my house for more than a couple of years, then don't buy the showermate, get the monsoon instead. The warranty for the showermate is 5 times shorter for a reason (apparently).
love this video,thank you, can you use any pump for hot water tap in the bath? the cold water is working fine good pressure but the hot is very bad and slow due to the same problem you just showed us,thank you
If pumping hot only to a mixer tap make sure you use a Universal pump to ensure it starts every time. The higher pressure on the cold side of the mixer can prevent the flow switch on a positive head pump from working correctly.
PMSL! Love the cover music............ROFWL!
Did you record your music in a studio????lmfaoooo
Lol... good informative entertainment!!!!
😂😂 my guy james is defo an rnb head
Hi can please stop calling the cylinder a tank 🙃
Dose the tank have a surrey flange in it?
WHAT IS THE FLOW FROM ANY INSTALLED SHOWER OR OTHER OUTLET WITHOUT A PUMP FITTED? - We have a gravity fed system in our home and in our bathroom upstairs on our bath tub we mixer taps installed with a middle plunger that we pull up for the shower hose head. Would this test filling up a 1 liter jug be from ONLY the hot water tap on full or with both hot and cold taps both on full through the shower hose head when doing the test to see how much water has filled up in the bucket/jug over 60 seconds? Thanks
Lots of information and an amusing delivery. Having watched your video I went ahead and had a new Stuart Turner pump fitted at the base of the cylinder,. This was replacing an old noisy one that has lived under the bath for over ten years. The plumber fitted the new pump almost exactly the way you have, lovely installation. Regrettably the pump started to weep on the cold side after just over a month of being installed. I contacted Stuart Turner and they wanted pictures of the installation.
They have refused warranty stating that the angle, on the pipe at the top of the tank for the hot water supply is insufficient. So even though it is the COLD water side that is weeping, warranty is refused because they say the HOT side is not fitted correctly.
I urge anyone fitting a pump to follow the fitting instructions explicitly, no matter how expensive that may be, as any failure will have your warranty claim rejected.
Actually nice tune and singing bud. :)
Great video as all ways James. Why did you valves with in-line strainers ? 👍
A bit late to reply now, but sometimes you can get some debris left over from manufacturing the pump, as well as bits of limescale or dust or whatever from the tank. You don't want this getting into your shower valve.
Hi 1.5 bar water pump 3 storey house, if one show at the 2nd floor is in use, the 3rd floor shower, no water coming out. Will this be posible to upgrade the water pump into 3bar without any other modification like fuse box etc.
Need help; Can we connect 22mm copper pipe to a shower pump which 15mm connectors? Or must buy 22mm connector shower pump for 22mm copper pipe.
Thanks
Great video once again James!
Very instructional, simply explained and outlines the whole concept.
Stay safe and keep it up. Big up! 🙌
I have a question, someone help me? My apartment plastic water tank is stacked on a hot water tank. The plastic tank Is 1 meter from the floor and pipes run down and under the bath to reach the basin taps. I'm getting 38 secs = 1 litre on my basin taps. Could I use a positive water pump? I was planning to put one on the floor below the water tank.
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My missus is in tears she told me she wants TILES in her new shower and “do we have to have particle board” coz she doesnt like the pattern.....bless her!
I might have to try this myself... already have a pump but the plumber's charging £250 + materials to fit it!
Easier solution... Don't bother with a pump and switch to unvented!
After all of the pipe running needed to put a pump in our place it was cheaper to do an unvented, win win less to go wrong.
Costly no?
@@wiggumo depends what you class as costly. An unvented 180 litre cylinder supplied and fitted will cost around £800 to £1000, for that you'll get a 25 year guarantee on the cylinder, better hot flow rate and quicker heat recovery. But you have to consider yearly service cost and you will at some point be replacing the expansion vessel, inlet valves and pressure relive valve. Also not all systems are suited to an unvented cylinder.
But compared to potential costs of a pump install which can also be in excess of £1000, also the pump lifespan is not 25 years, I've taken pumps out that are only 5 years old. Either option isnt cheap but long term the unvented cylinder is likely going to cost less.
James, I’ve got 3 bar on my mains cold feed but 0.5 bar on the gravity fed hot. Can you do a vid we’re only the hot is pump pressurised and a equalising valve is used to balance the two?
I’ve watched your vid twice now. Love your style and straightforward approach. As an amateur DIYer, gonna take the plunge and give this a go. Two Qs: 1) can’t find those inline strainers anywhere. Can you share a link. 2) Going to site my pump next to he tank in airing cupboard however my CW / HW feed needs to go back into the loft to rejoin existing 22mm pipe work back and down to the shower. Is this a problem going back up to loft using 22mm > 15mm > 22mm ?
Hi,
How much that kind of water pump? Our pump I think it’s broken because it’s keep on turning on even all the taps and shower is closed.
Great video, i have a negative pump fitted that isnt working properly but i had way over 1ltr per minute so a positive pump would of been fine! some people have said you should have an Essex flange fitted???
love the vids very helpful. could you please help me with my problem?
i have searched endlessly but cant see any guides for installing showers in flats ( guess loft applies double for flats). boiler is communial. CWT is in airing cupboard above the hot water cylinder, thats vented to top of the CWT. gravity fed right?
i bought a mixer bar low pressure shower (triton tees) i get approx 9 litre pm from bathroom sink taps. manual says min 8lp min for best results. so im borderline., was going to install until i saw this video!
ok so i must need a pump, universal, centrifuge, twin but how many bars?. normally 1.5 for flat? but i read it says 3 bar if large shower head. the one i have is 200x200
what do u reckon , 2 bar plenty? thank you
oh yea im a painter need any help il film myself toshing a flat out
Our family bathroom desperately needs a pump it gets about 1.6/7 litres a minute but its really lacking. Good to know I now need a +ve head pump.
Hi mate. Amazing video. Thank you so much. I've just fitted the exact same pump and exact same set-up. My pressure is now great. My only issue now is that my brand new thermostatic bar mixer shower is not getting really hot. It does get really hot however if I isolate the cold feed. I'm thinking it's the thermostatic cartridge but it's brand new. Any ideas?
This pump sounds very quiet. We need to replace the pump in our apartment since it had broken and the current pump can be heard all over the apartment when it is on. It is very loud!
Some neat copper pipework bending between the cold and hot supplies from the mixer dropping down to the shower pump. Some guidance on this pipe bending wizardry to avoid clashes (crossover's) and then back to the wall for pipe support would be much appreciated - both 15 and 22?. Great video and presentation as always James...
so I'm replacing an old ST showermate that broke with a new ST monsoon universal (negative head didn't always want to start on new upstairs shower). All my pipework is 15mm and the ST universal has 22mm connections. I know the manual says to use 22mm throughout, is this just for maximum flow or will it damage the pump running on 15mm? Should I get a different pump?
Very informative and entertaining! I might even pluck the courage up to fit my own shower pump now! 😂👍🙏
Greetings from Ireland...excellent video mate! I'll be installing the very same pump in next few days and I'll be following your instructions to a tea...( the tea is for after all that work!)