My Amway Experience (Being in a Pyramid Scheme, MLM, Why I left, What I learned)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ค. 2020
- When I was in my early 20's I joined Amway! Some call it a Business opportunity, some call it an MLM or a Pyramid Scheme. For me, it is a big regret BUT it set me off on a personal growth and development journey that has changed my life forever! In this video I talk about why I joined, why I left and any regrets I have.
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-camera: Canon EOS Rebel T7i
-audio: iPhone SE
-editing: iMovie on my macbook pro
-thumbnail: Canva
-closed captioning: me
-music: TH-cam Audio Library
"business opportunity" is always the code word for MLM
It really is, especially if they don’t want to give details until you go to the “meeting” and it’s very cult like. Everyone was extremely nice and smiled almost too much. I can honestly say i was in a very vulnerable state at the time i joined which was 2016. I felt like i was getting nowhere in life so it was a perfect time for someone to motivate me to try something new and think outside the box. I left amway after about 5 months of seeing no one making real money and seeing the trends which is buying so many products and buying into seminars and conferences which is where amway makes the real bucks in my opinion. No one tried to help me make my business grow or downline grow. I decided to leave and good thing i joined bc i learned alot from what they do they pretty much prey on your goals and dreams and try to make it very simple by saying you buy these products anyway why not buy from a company that pays you back. Love the people, hate the business model. Now that I actually understand business after trying many things and actually starting and failing at other businesses, the numbers don’t add up. It makes no sense. Glad to have learned 😁
@@phucknaw2104 This was EXACTLY my experience (except I stayed longer :S) Very cult-like, pressure to buy sooo many new products and books and go to trained conferences. My upline were genuinly nice, likeable people but the business model doesn't work for everyone like they say it will. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Yes! 100%. Especially if they won't tell you the name of the company.
@@daniellespilchen6893 thank you for sharing yours too! You can definitely save many people from making the same mistakes we did! ☺️
@@phucknaw2104 the name of the company is the most basic information you should be given. in the future, don't set up any meetings, don't even give out your phone number if someone refuses to give you the information you need
This couple approached me in a grocery store out of nowhere. The wife said I have a very nice tie and then asked me what my interests were and they said they have the same interests. We had a great conversation. The husband then gave me his number, he kept in contact with me always checked how I was and sent me smiley faces. We then met one time at chipotle and mentioned he was a drop shipper, I never heard of that and he said we'd discuss it more next time. We then met at Panera and told me about Amway and it's pyramid scheme in detail. He'd often switch the conversation to something I was interested in and whenever I displayed the knowledge on my interest he'd say I was awesome, cool, intelligent, and you're the man. I felt like a god. He said he would send me some information on when a business lecture on Amway would be held at his house. I now know why he was so friendly. The old saying we all know "If something seems to good to be true it probably is" is true.
Lol exactly the same situation for me
That is Sad to hear, because you can make a lot of money doing Marketing and sales, especially online and honestly at that. All the major brands do it, Nike, apple, Microsoft, Muscle milk, Sephora etc. You probably had the wrong mentors or Upline-they are not suppose to push anyone to do the business and tell them your awesome your great just to get a body. I don’t know about you, but if I was trying to grow a business I want someone serious about making money, not afraid of the grind. I don’t want to have to tell them oh your great, you can do this cmon. It’s either you make money, let me help you make money or by here is your money back hit the door-good luck with your endeavors. That is why if you decide to do it you can get all your money back-and use say no. Also for products you got a six month guarantee. Send it back in six months and still get your money back? What other company does that. Most people quit because sales and marketing is not easy-the right mentors and teachers can make it harder or easier. Sorry you had that experience good luck in your endeavors.
@@mosesoliver3694 ok Amway pawn
@@mosesoliver3694 most MLMs have six month guarantee for products…
@@mosesoliver3694 correct usually its upline who mess up for not being honest the people they sharing to. I like to be upfront and say that I'm in Amway and I usually just talk about the products and they quality they give.
And most of the time, I wont force people if they are not comfortable (that's highly unprofessional ) and encourage them to question as much as possible to clarify. Tbh you must be able to withstand rejections and even insults ( very rare but I have met a couple who hurled insults at me , I just politely said " if your not comfortable or not interested, you can just say so " and I thanked them for the time and moved on ).
Me personally i aim to get customers for products first. Sharing the Amway business plan is usually second and I keep a principle of honesty and transparency before making the appointment.
The only thing what is the frequency of your effort, if you're slow and business grow very very slowly, if you're fast, the faster your growth and experience with be. If you just joined and expect everything to happen by it self, then you're in for a big disappointment.
the biggest take away for me, has been learning how to say "No", "thanks but no thanks", if youre somebody who is afraid to come across rude etc, I think there can be a tendency to be overly accommodating for people, its okay to say "NO", thanks for sharing your experiances!
@Broken Tower just happened to me I never got into it but they want me to attend a meeting a few mins and I can’t exactly say no, I just have a struggle with saying no 🥴
I struggle with this because I'm not rly a confrontation person
@@motownsyre ask about the product and just be honest if you do not really like the product.
@@williefaulker it easy nowadays since everyting is now found on the internet. Just simply say that you will just watch it online and think about it.
The one subject they don't tell them to read about hahaha
She’s right about being able to pick them out. They speak in a very distinctive coded language with certain catchphrases. I’m not sure what’s worse, MLM’s or timeshares.
This is so true. They always approach you as a cute young couple, and start with “freedom of time” and they have the same mannerisms it’s very scary and cultish
@Pray without ceasing I’m not gonna itemize all the things that suck about them, I’ll just say that you can book a vacation anywhere in the world without having a timeshare and you’ll probably end up paying less so what’s the point of having it? This is why they do high pressure sales and offer you free stuff if you just agree to hear their pitch. Products and services that are actually good and useful don’t resort to those tactics.
Every cult has their own language and MLM's are no different.
@@enohp660I had a time-share with my ex that was 2 hours away. We maxed it out and were at our timeshare as much as possible. It worked out really good. The key for us is that it was only 2 hours away and we loved going there and the hotels were really small and significantly more expensive than the time share. The problem is most won't let you cancel but ours wasn't difficult.
Girl I pulled out after the first video chat. It seemed very cultish. The minute they told me not to listen to my mom, I had to dip. My momma has never been wrong when it comes to my life lol. She also been researching MLM.
My parents definitely told me it was a bad idea but my relationship with them was rocky at best at the time so I refused to listen to them and chalked it up to them not being supportive. It's hard looking back and feeling stupid but I'm so glad you dodged that bullet real fast!!
Always trust your momma! They know best
I turned away when one of my close friends genuinely told me it was a pyramid. Immediately puked the kool aid and watched everything. Feels bad, thought I made a friend
It’s sooo crazy how I just received the “video” from them and it’s been 10 days. We had a few zoom calls and I thought she was gonna be a great resource as a mentor. She said she will be able to answer any questions that I may have in skincare. However, after looking at these videos and comments. I’m all set!!
I got into the makeup MLM briefly. I went to a meeting at a big hotel, and some man walked in the wrong conference room. These women chased him as he tried to leave the room, trying to sell him product. I knew right then I did not want to be like that. They also made us order tons of stuff, and I could not sell it fast enough, and then we had to order more. I was a broke young stay at home mom and just couldn't tie up all that money in product. That was many years ago.
Thank you so much for sharing! I actually been apart of Amway for about 4 months and they are tryna keep me back in and I am finally leaving Amway and Melaleuca at the same time since I got ended with both of them in the first place. This is a catastrophe and you really spoke your truth! Continue to do what's best for you👏🏽
I just ghosted my upline💀
Thanks for sharing. I'm currently getting "vetted" so I've been on youtube getting other opinions. Until this process, I'd never heard of Amway. Its very much reminding me of Avon and Mary Kay. What bothered me was that during a meeting I asked about statistics: success rates and timeline to start making significant money. They fell silent and changed the subject. It was also off putting how everyone was saying literally the EXACT same thing, and failed to get to their points. They truly are very specific in how they talk. I would rather spend time investing in myself without having to come out of pocket for something that may not yield any reward.
I'm currently getting "vetted" too & right now they want me to come out of pocket to go the "summit" & honestly I wasn't hoping it wasn't a pyramid scheme
I had 2 hours before my first ever conference with amway and I was feeling so anxious about it, not out of pure nervousness of meeting new people but more so out of being put into a pyramid scheme. I showed my cousin the company and straight away knew it was a scam, then I went onto Reddit and discovered even worse things. So I’m glad I saw this before I went to the meeting. Definitely not going.
I just got In but I feel like I F up.
I agree. What you said about how specific they talk sounded kinda off to me too. I mean damn mfs started sounding like robots repeating the same thing over and over.
Well said Danielle. Take the skills you have learn, and apply it to your life. Specially on your acting career. Great Video!
I just love your unbiased view on your MLM experience... any people I come across speak of only the negatives and claim that there's nothing good to pick from it.
Oh my god I felt this so strongly! I just graduated and a friend from college encouraged me to be an Amway “business owner” with her. And the more I thought about it the more I felt like I was being dragged away from my craft, and I just couldn’t do it
Good for you. Glad you got out and shared your story. MLM’s are very manipulative and you see to have a great head on your shoulders. All the best.
Thank you for this substantial video. You saved me from making a decision to return to them after rejecting their offer. 🙏🏿
To escape my Amway upline I had to fake my own death. Like there used to be a joke website to make your own newspaper obituary, and I made one except instead of being a funny gag, I made it super serious and convincing. My mailbox was a P.O box so they never had my real address to verify that I had died.
Wow dude you could have just not answered their calls
That's what I did.
I love this,i have pretended to b dead to an ex mean tenant i had b4 and also to a scam wig company on line who would not leave me the heck alone after i proved to my credit card company they had sent me garbage wigs not as advertised,i got my $ back and fake wig place e mailed me with threats for 8 months daily,finally i emailed them saying my mother had passed away please stop e mailing her.i never heard from them again. In future i will die in the 1st month of harrassment.
Wahahahahaha....
Now THAT was funny.....🤣
@@larryjake7783
Wow!
You are such a hero...🙄
Kind regards
@@Borgbeveiligingen why the sarcasm geez. The lack of social skills drips from you like spoiled milk
I did Amway in my early 20s and it wasn’t for me. I liked the products, but they were too expensive. I also didn’t like seeing people I met as people who could be part of my business. That made those interactions superficial and I didn’t like it. I just walked away like yourself and felt better about myself when I did and didn’t look back.
I was invited also, and i just felt silly applauding for every little word that came out of their mouths and , for example one person would give a speech and someone would offer them a sip of water and all of sudden everyone else started applauding just for that, the hooray and almost mind control that we must do that like little children wasn't my cup of tea, I understand the process and the work involved but these recruiters treat you like a 2 year old, it's all basically a pyramid scheme were. The very ones in the bottom which is me by the way would end up scrubbing for leftovers, i was uncomfortable and somewhat afraid for my life since most of these individuals didn't seem like thy had personality or empathy and even looked sinister, the whole quackery charade hit me harder than a shot of tequila on Christmas eve.
Just got off a one hour zoom call for a “business opportunity” and he literally showed me an image of basically a pyramid and how he’s part of amway. It’s funny how similar my experience is to everyone in the comments, but I’m happy I didn’t get dragged in any further or actually put any money in.
I was in Amway back in the early 90's.
Made just a little bit of money. Met the girl I would marry and start a family with.
The second time the group I built all quit so did I. Went on to have a successful career in the construction industry using a lot of the ethic and what I had learned from the books and tapes.
My grandfather's friend joined Amway and annoyed the hell out of everyone he knew. Even his wife. He lost a lot of money. We laugh at him.
Finally a positive comment 👍
@@raymondwade3313 a good ending too👍🏼
@@Pdmc-vu5gj do you know what URA is
@@Pdmc-vu5gj how come I know someone who is making a lot of money?
My fellow classmate tried to get me into this and they were annoyed when I said it’s a pyramid scheme
That's because your fellow classmate is super smart. How could he POSSIBLY be duped into joining a pyramid scheme??! Lol
My fellow classmate in college asked me to join her coven. I thought, wow, I have been asked in the past to join Avon, Tupperware, etc, but this was the first time I was asked to join a coven. I declined. I had 4 kids, a house to run, and a job. I had no time for witchcraft.
I don't know if anybody knows that an actual "Pyramid Scheme" is illegal.
Also, if you look at any job and the way it's set up. It actually looks like a pyramid.
It's just the way most places are set up to keep the business going. So I am sure if you looked at my job, your job, and/or anybody else's job on this thread; it would look like a pyramid.
Thank you for reading my T.E.D. talk!
Because it is not one!
@@dariousegravely9517 It's a pyramid scheme with a "product." The product is a legal loophole to keep them from getting shut down. Also, cocaine is illegal. By your logic: Cocaine is illegal therefore cocaine doesn't exist.
Danielle you are a wonderful soul. Speaking truth is not everyone's forte it requires courage and conviction. Thanks for message.
So after listening to your story it seems that to me, you really got a lot out of Amway. You may not have stuck with it but to this day it has changed you for the better. 22yrs ago I signed up, did everything you did but for me I had a poor self image of myself which I feared talking to anyone who was in a better life situation than I was, which was just about everyone. I loved the seminars, being around upline and the education and motivation. Though I never did anything with the business, I dont regret it one bit. The time, money and tools, all worth it bc I learned more about personal growth and business in 3yrs than I ever did in school or the negative ppl we surround ourselves with. Thanks for sharing your story!
I'm curious as to how much you learned. I'm in one of these now and everything they teach is literally common sense. I haven't learned one thing that I didn't already know. I can see how people grow from this, but at the same time... it doesn't seem like this complex mentorship. They just applaud everything you do and make you feel good.
@@Steven-zo6uz I can see how that might come across. I think a lot of it is just being surrounded by people who are trying to be positive and encouraging, things that in general ppl do not do for others.
Thanks for sharing your experience! I was in an MLM in the early 90’s called Melaluca. They still have great products that I occasionally still buy, but the recruiting side of it wasn’t for me.
I think your were okay to ghost your up line. They usually resort to gaslighting their down line when they express interest in leaving and guilt them into staying. It doesn’t make you a bad person for ghosting them, it was better for you to practice self care mentally and emotionally and make a clean break. If they were your true friends they would still be in your life, Amway or not.
I was in the Amway cult bc my ex was into it and I fully believed what she told me and went 100% with her. Now hear me out, yes it’s a pyramid scheme, BUT pyramid schemes do work if you do it right. If u think about it a regular job is a pyramid scheme just with a for sure paycheck: you start at an entry level and work your way up and so on. Now back to Amway. They strongly insist that you attend every meeting (which usually costs you) they strongly insist u buy books and ebooks and tapes and video, all sorts of things (when you are big enough that’s where the real money comes from). Now u have what’s called an “up line”...that’s who introduced you to the program. And your “down line” is everyone you introduced into the program. Now it only works if u sell products AND your down line sells products thus earning you a little more. “Basic business and commission”. The real money only comes in when you have a bug mass of people under u selling mass amount of product. So in theory you can potentially make money and good income u just have to have the best charisma and silver tongue to persuade others. I will admit that when I went to the meetings they made almost mandatory, that they tell you ways of how to better yourself and put these dreams in front of you to chase. After I left a lot of the words from the actual big names resonate with me still. THEY DID teach me how I needed to better myself in order to get what I want. And they did help with how to act more professional. I run my own sound engineering business and dj business but I will say I took a lot from their meetings. All the meetings they had were to just “fire you up” ( you’ll hear that a lot) but the words they spoke made sense. Hope this helped! It’s not necessarily bad but also not a quick come up!
Thank you for sharing your story, they were very motivational lol. I feel like WWG is for the few that have grit and are hard working and also have charisma like you said haha. People think that just because those people made it to "diamond" means they are too. It takes time and hard work and some people have other goals and that's alright, to each their own. Everyone has their own life and or business to think about and Amway is not for everyone. But I'm glad you got something positive out of it :)
No they do not work. They are illegal and now we have MLMs which us just a euphemism. The money is made by people at the top by selling meetings, books, and tapes. It’s exploitive. There aren’t enough people in the world to make the down line idea work. You simply run out of people.
I can spot them from a mile away. I’ve been approached several times at grocery stores and other places and as soon as I spark up a conversation and hear them talk for 10 seconds I already know what’s coming. I usually stop them and ask them if they’re in Amway and their eyes open wide and they say yes and I just start laughing
I just got approached
😂
How can you tell?
@@usernamechecksout9901 I literally just realized it a couple minutes before heading into this meeting they’re hosting and I’m finna make an excuse and get outta there 🤣
Yeah, me too Paul. Back in the early 90's. Just sitting at the counter in a Dunkin' Donuts in San Diego. Having coffee, reading the SD Union-Tribune. Some guy about my age wearing a dress shirt and tie sits down one stool away. He started his Amway pitch. Starts asking me if I know who some guy was. Bill Blitch or something like that. One of those WWDB scumbags. I told him I was aware of Amway and wasn't interested. He kept trying. Telling me how "fired up" his wife was. Gotta hand it to him. He sure tried.
Thanks so much for sharing your story! I was recently approached by someone I met in a training course who told me that he was being mentored by a group of successful business people to have financial freedom and earn passive income. But he didn't mention Amway at all and what they are actually doing to achieve that. I was curious and wanted to meet his mentor.
So we had a few zoom meetings and I attended to one of their group sessions as well, in which there were about 200+ people. To be honest, their approach in self-development and the books/resources they recommended were quite useful and I found that aspect sensible.
But after attending to a few sessions as a part of the recruitment process I decided to step back and do a bit of research and reflect on how my life would look like if I proceed with them. This video is one of the rare ones I found useful but I had already told them that I don't want to continue with the process. Because although I think people in the group have right mindset in terms of personal growth, financial freedom and business, the problem with Amway is that the focus is always on recruiting new people, which in itself provides no value to anyone at all. You either promote a products of a company in a similar fashion to a salesperson or trying to convince people to join you to do the same so it's a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy where no one is creating any value but because of the involvement and the investment that is being done by the followers there's a movement.
And also I had some conversations before with people who were in similar businesses and the problem with them is that you can never be sure if they're genuinely interested in getting to know and connect with you or if they're trying to recruit you into their business. So I didn't want to turn into one of those people. In general I think the mindset is right but the area they apply that mindset is not so much.
Thank you so much for sharing this! I’m currently trying to get recruited by two guys and i’ve been debating if it’s worth it all bc it’s not at all what I want to do with my life and pyramid schemes are ALWAYS A RED FLAG. I wanna drop them now but ugh I wish I could just ghost them haha.
Best advice that I can give you is to not waste your time on something that isn’t promising. I hope you have a better job line up for you than a pyramid scheme.
Tell them to f**k off, im in direct sales with straight commission and got pitched this b.s and straight up told them during the zoom meeting when they did the amway reveal that they just wasted 2 valuable hours of my life in front of everyone, maybe its the salesman in me thats willing to say anything to anyone specially if they're wasting my time.
@@julianngo5263 its not a pyramid. a pyramid scheme is a coperate job
@@beast_232 Both are pyramid schemes now what?
Amway rep^
I was in Amway for about two years. The only thing good I took away was to read self help books. Reading has changed my life and it was because of Amway. Never really read books until I joined. Will never be a part of another MLM again but will always be grateful I joined initially.
I am 21 years old I am a diamond ejectiv in my line I only have people from Mexico they never give up and they don't talk trash they love Amway and I love it too I pay my own University a UCLA I make more money every month then 20 people working the whole month you did not make it because you don't have real dreams because you haven't done nothing anyways not work everybody Viva Mexico my Mexican boyfriend the most popular guy in my University 22 years old he's a diamond he is under me in my line he become a diamond you only 6 months why cuz he's really have dreams he also a drummer play in a band heavy metal music very close friend of Alejandra Guzman the queen of rock and roll in Spanish he also has a friend Luis Miguel thanks to Amway
@@lindakent6147 Jesus I feel terrible for my Mexican brothers that are losing money for your dream
@@lindakent6147 that’s horrible
@@IvanGonzalez-eo5kjlmaooo when you work a job, you are working for someone else’s dream same shit. Lol
Don’t be ashamed in how you walked away. I am a writer and actress living in public housing and was just sold this dream. From the jump I was EXTREMELY bored but thought I was being childish and that it was a new thing so I may be uncomfortable at first. This past Saturday I went to a meeting and the worship of the leaders was to intense. Especially as a born again Christian it was very unwell with my spirit. Thanks for this video. You and God have helped me make my decision ♥️
Hey! I am also a born again Christian, and I was In acting school for some time. Can I contact with you? Would you give me your Instagram? Hanna
I felt the exact same way! Amway was the biggest 10-year head-ache of my life. My main issue, amongst many, were the people posing as Christians using God's Word out of context to further their own interests. Just the thought of attending another one of those meetings makes me nauseous.
@@raven.art1717 TEN YEARS?! Oh my…
@@nsikanakpan1200 Ten years and an estimated 20,000.00 between tools, weekly, monthly, quarterly conference tickets, gas, hotels, books, CDs. An that's not including monthly product orders.
@@raven.art1717 I’m glad you made it out safely
it's actually kind of sad because amway does/did have some really good products, but i got tired of trying to buy them because i got tired of arguing with the dealers every time they tried to show me "the plan"... amway dealers are more interested in selling you "the plan' rather than selling amway products.
Yes! This was something we were taught. It was drilled into us that if someone likes the products you should always try to pit them the plan. Every meeting was focussed on "how often have you shown the plan?" It just showed me how little the products actually mattered.
You can go directly to the site and buy the products... you don’t have to go through a dealer
@Frater Libertas Well, isn't that the point tho? Your income depends on what the people under you are doing. So you make NADDA!
@Frater Libertas I don’t think you get the plan you will never be free when you’re with amway the whole plan is to get more people on board so you become apart of the “upline” it’s kinda known as a MLM scheme or pyramid scheme there are a million ways to better yourself and make money you make 10% profit from amway when you start for what feeding you bullshit and the most you can make is 25% so amway takes 75% of your profits use your knowledge and build yourself a business where you can make 100% of the profits realize you’re doing all the work for amway do the work for yourself and I can tell because you edited the comment you’re following strategies on how to sell amway and your lifestyle😂
@Frater Libertas you see I would agree with what you said but the funny thing is I do completely well for myself and am completely happy with my financial status everything you say sounds like you’re in a cult and are in denial of the truth I have no intention of taking this to court and this is my personal opinion of the company from the multiple money fraud allegations in multiple different countries they have settled the court cases outside of court it’s called arbitration either way they payed someone outside of court this is public information if you do one google search you can see this information I am not a flunkie and I’ve never joined amway because if you have to pay to start an IBO it’s very sketchy just because they changed there business model doesn’t mean it’s not a scam any more my point is not to hinder your success I’m trying to give you information of the company and show you that they are taking all of your money you have to sell 4X as many products to make what a real business owner is making
Thanks for sharing, Danielle! I recently watched a Netflix documentary that mentioned that over 90% of people in an MLM lose money. So many people get taken advantage of! I'm glad you're out.
Thank YOU for watching and taking the time to comment! I'm pretty happy to be out of that MLM myself haha.
What’s the name of the documentary?
Shayne Depree I don’t remember unfortunately, it might have been part of History 101 on Netflix as I just watched that?
Lauren Allen thanks for your reply. I’ll look into that!
@@shaynebarron82 I think now it was part of (Un)Well on Netflix!
thank you, currently have a friend trying to recruit my friends and I am starting to loose my patience with him, and I am very tempted to slap him in the face
It's funny because I had the same experience years ago with amway here in Greece where I live. I also wanted to be an actor and after a while I realized that this kind of business wasn't for me. So I walked out of that. Also I agree with you about the books of self improvement are really important and helpful but you must be careful about the trap of staying in the self improvement world without really put those tools and strategies in real life where you can see results.
Don't be ashamed for going through all that. It's a blessing that you are sharing this with the world because it is such a secret organization and it's such a relief to hear an authentic story about them
Don’t be fooled brah she is straight CAPPIN for views
@@dominicpupillo4660 mm. Doesn’t seem likely. Nothing indicates any lies or doesn’t make sense.
@@randydeinlein1351 exactly
@@randydeinlein1351 she is. . . People make more than 6 figures in this business, she thinks it's a scam because she never did her part, leveraged herself and put in the work she needed too, people like her quit to easily and don't understand that you need to actually do work.
@@Yahuahs_Angel "she thinks its a scam because she never did her part" is quite an accusation. She made it pretty clear why she thinks its a scam, and it had nothing to do with her feeling she couldn't handle the demands or do her part. She used logic and reason and found the company to be unethical and manipulative.
Go you. I’m so proud of your progress. And hilarious ending haha.
A friend of mine tried to get me in this almost 20 years ago, I went to a couple of meeting, but I decided not to, haven't talked to him since LOL. Do they still do "the plan" presentation
To my knowledge, yes! Some things never change lol
And they are earning more than you not only money but also they are earning time .LOL
Oh boy!
Did you live another day?🙄
Kind regards
Exactly my experience.
Yes
Thank you Danielle! I definitely learned a lot. I hope you're acting!!!
thank you for this video and good luck with your future endeavors
Thanks so much for watching!
Sorry you went through that. I’m watching this now because a couple from my church approached me to talk about a business network. Me being a business loan consultant I figured a zoom call about it wouldn’t hurt. I just got off the call and want my 30 minutes back . At this point they didn’t mention the name Amway but I already know. I had a Slight feeling when I met them but, since they are members from my church, I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I’m 40 years old and been around the block. I’ve had friends suckered in 20 years ago. I also went to a Primerica meeting (another big pyramid) which I dodged joining as a teenager. When I asked what products they sell and who they are affiliated with, they danced around the question and expect me to drive a hour and a half to NYC for their cult gathering. I’m upset because I thought they genuinely wanted to be friends and I actually have a legit referral program for people sending me business loan clients. Glad you got out and don’t feel bad for ghosting them.
A woman from Amway is trying to recruit me & not gonna lie... it sounded very appealing. But after making all my research I’m gonna decline! (Very true about them pushing the self-development books & not mentioning the company at first).
Hello I am in the same situation the person is a family member actually and even after researching I am still considering it uggh I need the money. But what make you not continue it ?
@@celialusma4618 calculating the odds of me actually succeeding in this & it’s extremely low. This would take way too much time and money out of my pocket to actually make it. TIME IS MONEY, so this is just not the right “business” for me to get into. Also the products that they try to sell are completely worthless like vitamins & random stuff nobody would want to buy.
Same here currently going through this experience
If someone all the sudden nice to you out of blue it means they want something from you
You had the same revelations for yourself as an actress as I did as a DJ. A lot of John Maxwell's words are super powerful and motivating
Outside the context of an MLM*
Thanks for you honest opinion. I am amid the recruiting process and I am backing out. I am honestly aware about how you mentioned they treat people differently ooutsidethe MLM. I have noticed how my “mentor” uses certain language to make me feel a certain way. He specifically made me reflect on how leaving might be a bad decision and will have repercussions. In my opinion it can’t be that easy to make passive income. Good luck to anyone who is trying out this but it is honestly not for me.
Asking you to consider the repercussions of leaving is valid, especially if you aren't on another path to getting what you want out of life, HOWEVER, if they're telling you that making a passive income through a contract with Amway will be easy, they're confused or they're lying. No one who is successful using this business model will say it was easy. If you have other means of being successful and you already have an ideal path for yourself that Amway would disrupt more than enrich, it definitely isn't for you, and that's OK.
Ya I hear what you're saying. Good that you found your calling again.
A former coworker of mine is in Amway, he is a pretty smart guy and he knows is a piramid scheme and that he has been scammed for years, the problem is that he is so deep in that he hasnt been able to convince himself to just quit, i can see it in his eyes every time i see him. I hope he gets the guts to leave soon, I mountain bike with his son often and he was able to quit right when he started college and he is not coming back, hopefully he convinces his dad soon.
Very informative video. Thank you Danielle for sharing your experience 😊
Thank you so much for telling your story. My Father has been in Away for 21 years he has never earnt any money but still believes that it is going to make him a multi-millionaire. He spends his days prospecting people at shopping centres. It is a tragic story. I would love to see your reaction of the MLM Movie Welcome to Life Amway had this movie banned for 12 years but today it is unbanned and free for all to see on TH-cam.
I'm glad I just saw this video bc everything you said was true. They almost had me with their sales pitch
same here!
They got me, luckily I only embarrassed myself in front of one friend. Now we joke about it. Not another soul though
Me too just got approached sadly so much bad press i won't do it
I been in for 3 months and I'm about to discontinue my relationship with Amway.
Congratulations
Quitting after just 3 months? Maybe the supposedly 90% who fail have this same attitude. Your sponsor obviously has not taught you the five steps which you MUST do to succeed in this industry. LEADS - CONTACT - APPOINTMENT - PRESENTATION - FOLLOW-UP = CUSTOMER/REP = $$$
@@stevenhull5025 Sounds like they’ve got you hook line and sinker. Right where they want you! #Scam
Great decision Keith, RUN!!!
@@stevenhull5025 I made my decision and I'm standing by it because I felt uncomfortable after witnessing too many red flags.
So I don't know if you have ever heard of this but here in NZ there is a saying that "never do business with your family and friends"
I appreciate this video so much because its easy to get sucked into something you have no real connection with. Its important to know the difference between real self growth and just starting a business, thank you.
Really gave me perspective Dani, thanks
I agree so much with the personal growth perspective! I took away the same things from my experience.
I met my late husband, he was the best an in his friend group. We ended up no longer doing anyway but applied those nuggets to our lives. I became a Saha mom and my husband a 6 figure IT professional. Relearned friends with our holiness who eventually quit by doing the same and building their own businesses with the knowledge they received through anyway. All of them became successful slightly in always but mostly outside. I’m thankful for amway turned quixtar
So glad you got out! You seem to have definitely learned alot and if you really wanted to try again with a real business model you’ll know what makes sense. Business is really hard but if you succeed you’ll know it’s yours and you’re in control. Much love to you and your friends and family. Merry Christmas! 🎄 ❤️
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! Merry Christmas!!
you thought you could become successful in 5 months dude you just have a terrible work ethic cause i guantee you didnt do the amount of work it takes to be success no successful person become successful in 5 months
Hey Danielle...just an honest feedback from what i have understood from your talk...."it seems you have taken more out of Amway than you put in" which means you have grown personally and are ready to apply that learning in your career in arts......so all the best for it...
The issue I have with the Amway process i encountered is/was; this guy randomly contacted me over Facebook (we were in the same group together) and then we got talking about life, my goals and dreams etc.
Then he started telling me that he may be able to speak to his mentor to help me and that he 'can't promise anything' etc. So I just went with it, thinking that maybe this is just one of those opportunities of a lifetime to be mentored at something I'm really interested in (coaching, starting fitness and health retreats etc).
3 meetings in, the guy starts talking about amway, products, how 'what you read online about Amway is crap' etc. THIS HERE IS THE ISSUE. When I initially started speaking to that guy through fb, in no way, shape or form did I mention wanting to sell products and be involved in that shit. So why the hell would you set up all these meetings/get me to read books etc and invest time in me (and me in them), without actually telling me what the hell I'm getting involved in. I thought that maybe he had liked my idea about health/fitness etc and was willing to invest time into it, it's pretty bloody stupid to be honest.
As soon as i found out it was Amway I respectfully declined to both of them..but maybe if they'd been transparent from the start, they would've saved time and energy for both of us (so it confuses me as to why the hell they aren't just upfront, as they're losing out too).
Anyway, I don't necessarily think they were bad dudes, seem pretty intelligent etc but such lack of transparency shows alot about someone, regardless of whether they've been brainwashed or not. I do agree regarding the personal development books though, they definitely mentioned that alot, and that's something I'll take away.
I personally think that Amway is a legit company but the vast majority fall at it. It also seems to reel people in and has cultish vibes to it as well.
A former colleague of mine approached me some time ago to have a coffee and to speak about some business opportunity. As I remembered him as a nice guy I agreed and was really happy to see him, although I found some sentences to be weird before our meeting. He worked in IT and I though it was about some startup, but it turned out quite quickly that he was only interested in getting me into amway. I was quite upset, especially when I found out that a big part of his sentences was more or less scripted, starting with having a coffee and that freedom blabla. I felt sorry for him, wishing him all the best and that he'd find what he's looking for in life.
Where did you get the book suggestions from? Did Amway recommend them to you?
Yes, Amway has a booklist you must read. Topics on building various leadership skills, business, financial education, etc... And there's access to teachers/coaches that help you along the way...
I am interested to know what are the attributes of an Amway or any MLM person that you can spot?🤔
Me too
Just had the missus bring her friend over & spoke to us about this.... She explained to us that its a great way to make money. When i asked how to you make money.... She told me i needed to watch a power point presentation......
My spider senses started to tingle... As soon as she left i youtube it and now im here.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Yeah, it's always a pretty big red flag when they can't actually explain the business model themselves!
Lol my friend doesn't want to tell me the name of the company all question will be answered later lol
That was so lol lovely how u ask how my day was at the end!!! Thank I needed that
I joined Amway Australia. I went to a conference in Canberra. It's electrifying. I left afterward. The products I ordered, I never used them hehe. Church people got me into it.
But how good are their products? I find very good products in super markets which do not cost much as Amway! So, why should i buy them??
Their makeup and skincare honestly sucks, especially considering the fact that they cost as much as high end products from Sephora and MAC. Some of their food is good, some sucks, but either way they’re super pricy. The granola bars are good but they’re not $40 a box good lol. The ONLY products I still enjoy are the home products but with all of the damage they do to people I probably won’t be purchasing more when I finally run out
I really love skincare. When someone told me that Artistry was one of the top brands, I decided to check them out.
Their ingredient lists are super lengthy for just a moisturizer or toner.
Sun protection is important so I checked their sunscreen out as well. The UV filters are basic, such as octocrylene, zinc oxide, octisalate, what have you. Grab a Coppertone, Garnier or any sunscreen and UV filters won't differ much.
Smh. I already had the coffee(hot chocolate for me) meeting but I already knew what was coming. I also had a free lunch meeting with a couple that works for World Ventures. They can miss me with the “pyramid schemes” but I’ll take the free meals!
Is their group called World Ventures? I haven’t heard of that one yet!
ha ha ha
A friend of mine has been to several meetings with them. He hasn't paid for anything yet but he's been digesting self help books like crazy. He's meeting at night with all kinds of people. Says he likes it so far but only because he hasn't paid a dime. But hes gonna pay 200 eventually for a "business license." I told him to be careful. This almost seems cultish.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. This is very helpful
Thanks for the advice/testimony I was about to join amwayMLM because of this passenger I met (by the wat I'm an uber driver). I got to focus on my own goals.
This is such a good testimony of: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is....I read all the time, the only difference is mine is the Bible, not what other people think I need to do to be successful.
Thanks for putting yourself out there. You are a trooper.
AMENNNN
Yes Amen to that.
These schemes are just a distraction.
Store up your treasure in heaven.✌🏼
Haha i joined one mlm paid a lil for products ,i actually wanted to learn the art of selling ;) served me well lol
Suppose you owned a shoe store and you sent your salesman to a foreign country to open a new market. The salesman comes back and says its no good boss; they don't wear shoes over there. What would your response be?
I've had very similar takeaways from Amway, also. I can pick them out when approached so easily, it's funny. The habit of reading personal development material is something that has stuck with me too. It's a shame that it is such a deceptive and predatory business model because there are some aspects that are great. Decent products, great speakers/messages, a group to read with...
i've literally just had a friend approach me about it......i met with her and her mentor to be nice but....i just don't think i wanna do it
Its not worth your time or money. If I were you. I would politely tell your friend you are not interested. If she feels bad, she might try to guilt trip you. They honestly have scripts to tell your buds that dont want to join up. Something along the lines of "You know.. I am about to be so busy, you might not see me again after I walk away." Let em walk. You'll be avoiding unnecessary stress and spending.
How dah fuck you gonna let this Goofy Goobers influence you, Amway dah way if it's not Amway then it's ah scheme
@@Skinchenzo your a millionaire what's the best option for me to get like you😭
@@rigbanz7708 I was younger and like a good ammount of people I thought, why not lets see what happens. I'm human. I'm allowed to make mistakes. I don't really get why you would try to clown over my comment, but whatever.
Plz run
I was an IBO several years ago. It was not a scheme, I learned more about business and leadership way more than I ever learned in college. It's not for everyone, just say that. But some of the greatest people I ever met
Question. I was at the gym and this girl approached me and said “what do you do for a living? Do you love it is it your dream?” Then I proceed to tell her what I’m doing and she said she works as a mentorship and she learned from another mentor about mentorship and it changed her life. She said she quit her 9-5. I asked what is it? She said it’s a mentorship program. I said is it e-commerce ? She said sort of. I asked if there’s a website she said no. Scam?
thanks for your honesty and candidness
Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I appreciate it so much!
Congrats on following your dream!
I ended it with a clear voice mail to my upline:
_"Hey Bill! I'm no longer interested in being a mindless drone for Amway anymore. I'm done! Two things you ought to know though -- do not try to contact me and this phone will self destruct after this call. Bye-bye!"_
Wait ain't this suppose to be your own business? Yes friend you did the right thing except the brainless drone part you where never brainless I admired you getting into business for your self to take care of your family and your self that's all👍🏽🙋🏾♂️
LMAOOOOO I LOVE THAT
May I know, what people thinks about network marketing in canada ?
A close friend of mine just got sucked into Amway. He's really buying into it. I'm kinda worried now. He's in a pretty low point in life and seems like he's being taken advantage of.
I don’t know if you are aware, but they do make a cut from self development books. So if you buy them, do it from Amazon 🥰
Most of the time the books are cheaper through them than Amazon actually even with them making a cut
I didn't have to be in an MLM to recognize a scam/pyramid scheme. Some people are so desperate for connections and doing the least work possible to be rich. It blinds them to the ovious.
I’ve been asked by an old friend of mine if I wanted to join and I said yes but, I haven’t put any money into anything except the gas that I spent over the coarse of 3 weeks. I’m about to leave but before I do should I ask my friend and others how much success they have had in the time that they have been with amway????
you'll have to put in money eventually. what they're going to have you do is sell/advertise their products. but before that they'll have you read personal dev books & tell you you need to cut out people in your life that doesn't support you.
I'd just leave.
well you already know pretty much what they're going to say, now you need to equip yourself with information from the other "side" which is against joining the MLM this is let you make a more objective and accurate decision.
i am currently still an IBO for amway right but have been ghosting them for almost a month, i became an IBO in the first week of december 2020 but ever since i've had so many red flags go off, namely their wording and I graduated with a psychology degree, i was trained in this and yet i missed the red flags until now, they use propaganda and persuasion to get people to join, amway makes money off of IBOs, you can only sell so much through direct selling.
Run my friend, run. especially before you pour your hard earned money into it...more than you already have.
Be aware that your "friend" may not necessarily be truthful as to how much success they have had. They're trying to persuade you to join.
Do they train people by having them listen in on conversations? Just curious???
Every time someone says financial freedom through so and so business opportunities. I’d just tune out like I can’t understand English anymore
I’m in the middle of this process of this WORLD WIDE GROUP organization that Amway created and I think I’m gonna ghost them lol! Thank you !!
bww ?
How can you spot a person from amway? how do they introduce themselves? how do they talk to you?
The song! what is it in the background ?
The person who suckered my husband into it slipped up once and blabbed how the "diamonds" made most of their money. Thank GOD that opened his eyes and got out. The diamonds make the majority of their money forcing their downline to buy the tapes of their speachs, inviting you to their house then wanting a big fee for the "privilege" of attending...etc.
Oh that's horrible. While many of them are professional "motivational speakers" like you describe, I have to admit that they usually also have successful companies in construction, finances, etc.
@@d2vid5 but they want you to think it all came from Amway
I’m sorry but that simply is not true. I’m sorry you’ve had a bad experience but please don’t assume your negative experience is normal. If you understand how the comp plan works then your tune will change. Again sorry you had a negative experience
@@22shroomster I understand how the complete plan works. Everyone I know that got sucked into Amway feels the way I do. Some did wake up to the BS until 10 years later and they were broke
@@boudicacelticwarrior1481 if you understand then you have no excuse. The only people who lose money are the ones who treat it like a hobby. Sorry you had a bad experience.
Im from Slovenia once it was Jim Dornan in Croatia 7 thousand people came.
This thing its all over the world
How much were the books and where in the process that you had to purchase them ?
not the answer ur looking for but single tickets to events for them to repeat over and over again what they always say are 25$ each 😭
It's great to see you've grown a lot since then ❤ ...years later you finally realized -> maybe thanks to that "baad positive thinking self-improvement books" 😃you still reading
Thanks for your testimony with Amway! I can't stand how manipulative they are
Thank you this video! Would you consider making a video about how to spot a MLM promoter?
I hadn't thought of that but I'm considering it now! Thanks for the idea!
Watch Dan Lock he opened my eyes
I got sucked into with Allen the guy who plays Ghidorah’s right head in the new Godzilla movie and i was like oh cool! but then they’re good at getting you involved and they make it seem like getting in it is hard so you can feel relief that you got it.
Thank you for making this!
Thanks for sharing your valuable experience. Ive been business owner since 2017. As of now im still at 0% occasionally come to 3%/ 6%. Me too only look to this busioness for part time (passive income stream). I have disconnected from my sponsor (no longer need to be in sync/ meetings/ purchase stuff). I am building my new process to connect more genuinely with people with more direct approach with what this business is about and what I do. This channel looks awesome
Recently I've joined this kind of business.And i feel regret after joining the team😭😭.What should i do guys?
I dipped after the first seminar. The couple that recruited me were nice people but the guy kinda downplayed me through the phone the day after when i told him that im not interested anymore saying “what do you mean??”, “its like im talking to a whole new person”, “I thought we were building trust??.” 😂😂😂Just run away from the opportunity while you still can.
I left after like 2-3 months, everyone felt like they were hypnotized. I just didn't feel it anymore and just quit. Apparently i had some high uplines who kept telling me not to. I just shut the door, standing up for myself. I know it can be tough but you do what makes you feel right
After 2 initial phone conversations and 3 zoom meetings with the couple that attempted to hypnotize me, I declined the first seminar zoom meeting scheduled for today evening 😂😂😂
@@buffsamuraifred6037 checkmate 🤣. Glad you freed yourself from such illusions. I was seriously thinking about getting into it and was almost to the point where I had to shell out 300$ to start trying amway products and begin selling them. They turn into complete douchebags when you decide its not what you wanted to pursue 😂
@@MostHated_10 LMAO
Great informative video.. thanks for the heads up ❤
I just joined this week and shouldve watched this first, I dont know now if it aligns with my future goals. More interested in real estate/owning assets than being a salesperson
Three months on, how are you doing?
They always pray on those who are struggling. They are not worth it unless they have something that you like the best.
Conklin was another company that was the same way. They had good fertilizer for growing crops but then they expected those selling it to have a smaller commission and work harder.
Work hard and smart and stay away from those too good to be true companies.
My boyfriend joined Amway for two years already and I don’t know what to do to drag him out of this type of business. He even wants me to join with him with the hope that I will change my mind later to do the Amway business with him. I showed your video to him and the only things he told me that you are not working hard enough 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️so that why you leave. I don’t know what to do since I felt everything I said to him he always respond back that I against him and not support his business 😢😭.
So I've been in it almost 3 years now. I do pretty well in it. And yes majority of people will fail it because they're focused on the wrong things. Im VERY thankful I had someone who knew what they were doing show me... otherwise I'd be screaming scam too. If you're down I can share my experiences and the way I went about it and maybe that'll shed some insight on it all.
Sis ill be honest, I'd leave him.
There is only so much you can do for a person, and if you're in your relationship for the long-term, your finances are going to be joined at some point.
You dont want or need someone who's making you feel the you're "not supportive enough". You have to put yourself first, because once someone is in an MLM, it is only themselves that can get them out. Or crippling debt
@@thisisacrappyusername892 despite my other comment... I also agree with this.
@Angela Le I'm actually editing a video where I more or less answer this question but I'll answer it here as well. This is tricky and what I say may not be helpful to your specific situation. I know when I was in Amway, there wasn't anything anyone could say (who wasn't in Amway) that could change my mind about the business. BUT I was very thankful that I hadn't alienated my loved ones while I was in Amway because they were there to support me when I left. Because of this, I'm a big believer that you can't pull anyone away from what they believe to be their dream/help them achieve their dreams; All you can do is love and support them so that they know they have someone in their corner if they choose to leave the business...THAT BEING SAID I don't know your relationship with your boyfriend (how long you've been together, living together, shared values, etc.) so I don't know if this will be helpful to you at all. Hope everything works out for you!!
@@daniellespilchen6893 thier biggest flaw is inexperienced people teaching inexperienced people how to run business. Most the time its a mess for sure
I was in the thick of it in the 80s for a few years. Most complaints received were products over priced. Also I learned while the million $ s&m plan looked great on the charts, the reality was the distributor needed to net $1 dollar per year for a million years.
I've joined amway and purchased bunch of products to try out. I'm confused now dude. These guys are super nice to me just like u said. They always talk about their dreams and how to gain success. After hearing this I've scared
How did you like the products ?