@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin Well, that’s your job. I gave you the basic facts here, Preston. It is known. [edit: Jari’s theory below makes perfect sense, I got nothing to add]
27:00 keep in mind, Donal last saw these men during the Siege of Stoms End. Fat Bobby B is definitely not true steel and Renly was only a boy at the time.
50:00 Don't forget that this chapter is from Jons perspective. And so the simplest explanation is that Jon is just mistaken. He doesn't know what Tyrion has been upto in every detail. He assumes that he hangs with Thorn, but maybe he didn't. It would make sense because Jon is insecure. 'Oh all the nobles are hanging out'.
Your linking the theme of empathy with Jon's story was beautiful. I think that was what was in Daenerys' vision... A blue rose growing through the wall of ice emanating sweetness. 😊
Cotter Pyke is low key awesome. His burns on the other lord commander candidates are so good. “The man counts spoons.” And “experience fussing over his maps you mean” abt Dennis Mallister
Considering that Jon has become best friends with Tyrion, one of the wealthiest people in Westeros, you'd think he might consider giving up on the Watch before taking his vow by asking to serve Tyrion. There would be a certain degree of shame quitting the Watch but there's no obligation for him to stay after learning what the Watch is truly like before he takes his vow. Plus, it would have been amazing if Catelyn later bumped into Tyrion AND Jon at the inn later on in the book
Nice fanfic potential in that, don't think I ever saw that one. (I have seen Jon going to squire for Barristan and even being raised as Tywin's ward and of course Prince Jon (or whatever your Targaryen name of choice) is also a pretty common scenario. But none of him essentially becoming Bronn much earlier than actual Bronn appeared.)
I see no problem with Tyrion dicing and drinking with the officers and later having him dislike Thorne most. They are housing and feeding him at the Wall. It's Tyrion being courteous. Great with empathy being what is important. It's a most essential mental part of what and how we teach in our martial arts club. HEMA.
Preston you really don’t understand alcoholic and gambling culture. They’re probably just in the common drinking area together to get drunk every night and sorta forced to interact with each other. You especially don’t have to like the people taking wagers with you also.
Really liked the early analysis of Jon's themes early. In fact I think the first 14 chapters was GRRM experimenting with the Multi Protaganist format. He could have wrote a fantasy story about a soldier like Noble Lord like Ned, a soldier like Jon, a Wizard like Bran, an Assassin like Arya, or a Lady like Sansa. The story broken down is actually several main characters on fantasy novel journeys, while the rest more serve to connect them all and make it feel so vivid and real.
Feels important to remember that Jon's supposed father is among the reasons Ser Alliser is freezing his balls at the Wall instead of some cool position around the court.
I'm definitely not fan of Alliser Thorne, but is it really fair to say that he is just doing this out of malice? He is a ranger after all, these new recruits may eventually be the people he will have at his back when north of the wall, if for no other reason but self preservation he'd want them tough enough and capable
Maybe he wants that but he is also really bad at it. His way of doing it was letting Jon beat the others up. It is Jons way of doing things thats actually helps them.
@TheEnecca his capability as an instructor doesn't necessarily reflect on his intentions tho. Sure his teaching style leaves a lot to be desired but it's very similar to how older generations were raised IRL, getting the cane in school for example, so just because he's doing a bad job doesn't mean that he doesn't want them to become capable rangers 🤷 at the same time it doesn't rule out that he also gets a kick out of it as a twisted lil bonus lol
13:00 Tyrion being very smart in AGoT... aaaarg so its hard to compare Tyrion-AGoT to the later books, once he's in power in KL... but he does make some of the same mistakes even in the earliest chapters of AGoT. In his first interaction with Joffrey, in Tyrion I AGoT - a defining moment for both characters - Tyrion is correct that Joffrey should offer the Starks condolences over Bran, but he scolds Joffrey in a really stupid way that only antagonizes Joffrey - pretty idiotic way to treat a future king, particularly one like Joffrey. When Tyrion recruits the mountain clans later in AGoT, I'll grant that on first read, Tyrion seems really clever and quick-thinking, and sure his method of making it out of the Vale alive is a creative solution... but when it comes down to it, his solution just boils down to using his family wealth, which isn't clever at all.
Around 17:15 when you are talking about Jon and Ben dinning. I feel like that is George criticizing egalitarian governments. Those governments (Soviet Union etc) promise equality for all as the Night Watch does. Where in reality the old class habits die hard both in our real world as in Westeros. The false promises and ideals that prop up “the system.”
I’m think the loss of Donal Noye’s arm during the siege was written WITH their starvation in mind. I think he ate his own arm and that’s what got him sent to the wall. Stannis punished cannibalism by death but likely saw autocannibalism as a lesser crime worthy of taking the black.
I think it's along a similar line, not autocannibalism but that he tried to escape and his arm was lost in a fight with other defenders. Absolutely spot on one way or another that he ended up at the wall because of something that happened during that siege, Noye claims his career as a blacksmith is over because he's missing an arm, while he is actively employed as a blacksmith. So of course he's got a low opinion of Stannis as some unbending fool when Stannis's refusal to surrender is likely the ultimate root of his exile
The part about the officers being highborn makes me think that it makes sense the ppl who can read and do math take over those tasks. Ie Jon himself lobbies for Sam as master helper (a comfy position) because he is smart and also educated. Preston says it is elitism, but im not so sure. Ie Pyke is commander at Eastwatch too because he is probably good at it due to being ironborn. It still shows the elitism at nepotism when Tyrion blackmails Thorne into giving the explanation to John. I guess the book presents is a a nuinced theme, which is part of what makes the books good.
It's funny to hear Jon complaining about Benjin not being around him. Now we can see that his uncle was likely getting in Mormant's ear about Jon's potential.
15:00 I served in the military and later my son. Sadly, it is one of the best options for young people today. I made sure that I told my son everything so he was not blindsided like I was. I made sure he knew how to "play the game" when it came to his time in. The military is mostly a mind fuck.
Is it not saddening that what you think is one of the best options for young people you also describe as a mind fuck? Shows just how fucked up the world we live in today😓
47:10 “no king had visited the wall for a hundred years”. So does that mean Daeron II visited the wall? He was king 100 years before this scene. I didn’t think any Targ king ever went to the wall. I know GQA did but Jaeharys didn’t go with her.
19:05 Well, two of them come back as wights. 59:03 Westwatch-by-the-Bridge (yeah it is not tower) is a: unoccupied and therefore does not merit mentioning here and b: is west of the Bridge of Skulls and the Gorge and therefore not on the Wall, thereby making the Shadow Tover indeed the last castle on the Wall (to the west).
But that's the point of systemic inequality being a problem. Ser Rodrick Cassel is meant to be a stand-in for a Yale legacy scholarship allowing shit bag kids like Jon to rise high in spite of his terrible and entitled attitude. He is rewarded by an unjust system because merit is the same as money because the rich control the levers of power that decide what merit and money even mean. The high born patting themselves on the back and being content with a system that rewards them is the central hypocrisy being satirized.
I think the important thing to remember about Jon's dream of his mother is the future chapter where he discusses his jealousy of Robb. Jon wants the life of a highborn with a castle to inherit and a family who loves him for who he is. Jon doesn't want necessarily want HIS mother. He just wants what a mother is supposed to represent. The only woman he's ever known in a maternal capacity is Cat, and Cat treated him like crap. He just wants a mom who looks at him like a son versus Catelyn who looks at him like a mistake. George may not have planned this specific story beat out yet, but it was definitely a seed he had sown.
1:15 this is the asoiaf that never ends. Yes it goes on and on my friends, so Preston started writing it not knowing what it was and we continued writing it forever just because...
@PrestonJacobs have you or has anybody else that reads this comment ever wondered why Ned did not send John by to one of his bannermen to be fostered instead of joining the night's watch? I mean I get thematically that he had to go there to keep the story moving. But even before that why didn't he send them to be fostered with the mormonts on bear Island, or to last hearth? I get that he had promised his sister to protect him but you would think that when he was leaving to go to King's landing it would be safer to send him to a another Lord's castle rather than the not to watch where people die all the time. He could have done that earlier as well to keep lady Stark from having so much resentment against him... And I can see him wanting to protect him and keep him near but when he went to King's landing come on that would have been the perfect time to have him Foster with another Lord and his family to you know keep him safe and not have him die. That would have solved both problems at one time it would have kept him away from Lady Stark while Ned Stark was in King's landing and it would have kept Jon safer than being in the night watch. I don't know it's just a crazy thought. Have you or anybody else who's reading this ever wondered that? I mean the most obvious answer would be to blame bloodRaven of course. But I mean I'm just saying it seems just a little bit irresponsible on Ned Stark's part. Sorry for any grammatical or punctuation or errors in this I have to use voice text currently and yeah I forget sometimes.
@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367 yeah I agree I even mentioned that in the book I wrote in the comment there LOL but I mean seriously logically that would have been the right way to go.
@Rebel_Lord_Taron George does a lot of plot conveniences. Like the twincest. Why would people believe it, it makes no sense. Realistically, people would just claim the kids take after their mother.
Probably cause fostering would of taken time to arrange and would of been a risk, he'd basically be telling people that Jon isn't simply a bastard to him. You'd be giving a minor house a potential hostage to use against him. Also what would the benefit be? Ned wanted Jon and Robb raised together like brothers to ensure a bond exists beyond his life time so as to know Jon would have a place in house Stark. The wall has a similar function with Benjen being there. Jon being at the wall sorta ties it to Robb as well. Like Benjen and Ned
"Castle Black had no godswood" Do we know why this is? Its gotta be a deliberate worldbuilding choice, right? Especially since its brought up later, as they find the wights during Sam and Jon's oath swearing at the weirwood north of the Wall in Jon VII... it can't just be for the sake of making the plot of Jon VII flow very efficiently, can it? Surely GRRM must have some lore reason in mind?
The advice to lean into your brothers, ignore what people say about you because it doesn’t change the truth, and to stop putting on airs makes no sense coming from Tyrion, especially since he’d spent the journey up to the wall telling Jon to make what people say about you your armor. Tyrion could get away with acting like a jerk for a while because he actually was highborn and could swing his family name around but it massively backfires on him later when his reputation makes him out to be a monster even when he’s innocent.
Ok. I'm not gonna lie, I'm 2:34 seconds in.... My question is.... Who the CLUCK likes Allister in the show? He was the BIGGEST C of almost* all the Cs in the show. I'd give him top 5 if not top 3 BIGGEST Cs. If R+L=J, he's even coated in irony. Cluckin clown shoes. Lol. All book debates aside, that was fun to write.
Anyone else think it’s random and messed up that storms end would send Noye to the wall for being crippled when he’s still a perfectly able armorer? And even if not, jeez.
I think the metaphor of empathy being what's needed for life is fine and even if I think you need to mix in some toughening up to get through life, it is a good world view. However, the characters are not dealing with regular life, they are dealing with the military. Alliser cannot be compassionate because he must break the recruits in so they are obedient, or else, we will have a mutiny. Obviously most people here didn't see combat, but think about school. The nicest, most compassionate teachers were the ones who got trampled over by the students. You have to be at least a little cruel to maintain discipline.
I know it wouldnt fit george's habit but please talk to some people who train longsword fencing if you're ever going to do a duel in the fanfic. the opening fight was great to set the tone but nothing in it makes any sense. especially if you consider that jon is supposed to be painted as experienced and knowledgeable.
Is there any plans to continue with the theory videos between these videos and the podcast style videos i just end up not watching which is a shame been following since pink letter and og dornish master plan videos
Jon being irreligious shouldn’t have anything to do with protecting Winterfell’s godswood. It’s an important piece of history and heritage. I bet most atheists would still want to keep their local historic churches in good working order
Nerdrotic gave you a shot out for your Euron 2 chapter in FNT clip on GRRM will never finish the WOW. I never knew you were a Friday Night Tights super fan?
I wish Preston did call ins because i like him but i so vehemently disagree with like everything in his world view, and no amount of text can ever close the distance just the nature of the medium
Okay, the difference between Alistair Thorne and real military training is definitely similar, but it is very much different as well. Like was saying about the movie officer and a gentleman, in the army I can't speak for the other branches because I wasn't in there but when I went through military boot camp and training in the army I learned that the drill instructors were hard asses for real and I went through way before all this nice guy can't put your hands on people people have feelings crap happens.. in the time that I went through boot camp back again the sergeants the Drew instructors the corporal's they would definitely put hands on you if you acting stupid with them and they had already previously warned you about your behavior. And I'm not talking about each time your behavior was wrong I mean they would give you one warning, period! After that one warning anytime you messed up it could be you being the subject of ridicule or they can put hands on you or you can be thrown in the stocks or you could be forced to do a 10 mi hike with 100 lb of s*** on your back for no reason or have to do 100 push-ups. at one time there was a guy who was forced to put the bottom soles of his boots on the wall and lean back to the wall like he was sitting on it and hold up to 5 gales with concrete in each one for 10 minutes. If either one of them buckets touch the ground or he came off that wall, he would be having a drill instructor follow him while he ran for miles. Or he may have to do an obstacle course over again or something just for the sheer punishment of it. But I want you all to understand something they are not being mean like sir Alistair Thorne was just to be dicks they also would die for you. and that's what they're really trying to instill in you a sense of brotherhood and the fact that you're not there just to look out for yourself you're looking out for your fellow soldiers too and much like you would die for them they would die for you. I had a sergeant in Afghanistan who was always the first in and the last out of any room that we had to bust through to clear and he would always put himself in harm's Way before he would put a single one of his soldiers. And that is what they're trying to instill into you with their very harsh and demeaning yet effective training methods. Because they are trying to make sure you understand that there are consequences even for the smallest mess up and the smallest decision that may not just affect you but everybody else. And that is the part that Alistair Thorne has completely wrong. And that is why Donal Noye it's so awesome because much like the movie Preston keeps referencing they are two different sides of the same coin but in real life both sides of that coin would be there in your drill instructor warrior commanding officer or whoever your Chief is at the time. Is actually a pretty damn good depiction. And believe it or not sadly but true the movie full Metal jacket is very much a pretty accurate depiction of how boot camp went back in the day before all this politically correct crap happened. Have a good day y'all and thanks for doing a good job Preston.
Randel Tarly forced the NW/pig hunt on Sam so Dickon could be Heir... now I don't see why they couldn't just force Sam to give up the claim but . . Randel either way figured Sam would die
Preston. I love you and Ive watched almost all your videos but you have to learn how to form an opinion. You speak like you wrote the books yourself and know why every word was written. You're not GRRM
Jon hired the catspaw. Real target was Cat though, not Bran. Bran wasn’t supposed to be there.
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@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin Well, that’s your job. I gave you the basic facts here, Preston. It is known.
[edit: Jari’s theory below makes perfect sense, I got nothing to add]
27:00 keep in mind, Donal last saw these men during the Siege of Stoms End. Fat Bobby B is definitely not true steel and Renly was only a boy at the time.
50:00 Don't forget that this chapter is from Jons perspective. And so the simplest explanation is that Jon is just mistaken. He doesn't know what Tyrion has been upto in every detail. He assumes that he hangs with Thorn, but maybe he didn't. It would make sense because Jon is insecure. 'Oh all the nobles are hanging out'.
That’s true. Later on Tyrion talks about about how he hated Thorne the most.
Your linking the theme of empathy with Jon's story was beautiful. I think that was what was in Daenerys' vision... A blue rose growing through the wall of ice emanating sweetness. 😊
Cotter Pyke is low key awesome. His burns on the other lord commander candidates are so good. “The man counts spoons.” And “experience fussing over his maps you mean” abt Dennis Mallister
Considering that Jon has become best friends with Tyrion, one of the wealthiest people in Westeros, you'd think he might consider giving up on the Watch before taking his vow by asking to serve Tyrion. There would be a certain degree of shame quitting the Watch but there's no obligation for him to stay after learning what the Watch is truly like before he takes his vow. Plus, it would have been amazing if Catelyn later bumped into Tyrion AND Jon at the inn later on in the book
Nice fanfic potential in that, don't think I ever saw that one. (I have seen Jon going to squire for Barristan and even being raised as Tywin's ward and of course Prince Jon (or whatever your Targaryen name of choice) is also a pretty common scenario. But none of him essentially becoming Bronn much earlier than actual Bronn appeared.)
I see no problem with Tyrion dicing and drinking with the officers and later having him dislike Thorne most. They are housing and feeding him at the Wall. It's Tyrion being courteous.
Great with empathy being what is important. It's a most essential mental part of what and how we teach in our martial arts club. HEMA.
These 'going over' streams really give some classic preston vibes. It's giving 2015 in the best ways possible.
Preston you really don’t understand alcoholic and gambling culture. They’re probably just in the common drinking area together to get drunk every night and sorta forced to interact with each other. You especially don’t have to like the people taking wagers with you also.
The one interaction the two have here doesnt make it look like Thorne likes Tyrion either.
Really liked the early analysis of Jon's themes early. In fact I think the first 14 chapters was GRRM experimenting with the Multi Protaganist format. He could have wrote a fantasy story about a soldier like Noble Lord like Ned, a soldier like Jon, a Wizard like Bran, an Assassin like Arya, or a Lady like Sansa. The story broken down is actually several main characters on fantasy novel journeys, while the rest more serve to connect them all and make it feel so vivid and real.
Dam love the class struggle George wrote into the early books. Sucks that fades away as the series progresses.
bro what are you talking about, have you even read the AFFC Riverlands plot
Thats a really good point
Great analysis, Preston. I enjoyed listening.
Feels important to remember that Jon's supposed father is among the reasons Ser Alliser is freezing his balls at the Wall instead of some cool position around the court.
And Tyrion's father is the one who sent him to the Wall, after killing his friends.
That’s a very good point. They didn’t really hit that on the show
53:20 sometimes you gotta tell a teenager the same advice for a 2nd time for it to stick, kinda realistic
I'm definitely not fan of Alliser Thorne, but is it really fair to say that he is just doing this out of malice? He is a ranger after all, these new recruits may eventually be the people he will have at his back when north of the wall, if for no other reason but self preservation he'd want them tough enough and capable
Maybe he wants that but he is also really bad at it. His way of doing it was letting Jon beat the others up. It is Jons way of doing things thats actually helps them.
@TheEnecca his capability as an instructor doesn't necessarily reflect on his intentions tho. Sure his teaching style leaves a lot to be desired but it's very similar to how older generations were raised IRL, getting the cane in school for example, so just because he's doing a bad job doesn't mean that he doesn't want them to become capable rangers 🤷 at the same time it doesn't rule out that he also gets a kick out of it as a twisted lil bonus lol
13:00 Tyrion being very smart in AGoT... aaaarg so its hard to compare Tyrion-AGoT to the later books, once he's in power in KL... but he does make some of the same mistakes even in the earliest chapters of AGoT. In his first interaction with Joffrey, in Tyrion I AGoT - a defining moment for both characters - Tyrion is correct that Joffrey should offer the Starks condolences over Bran, but he scolds Joffrey in a really stupid way that only antagonizes Joffrey - pretty idiotic way to treat a future king, particularly one like Joffrey. When Tyrion recruits the mountain clans later in AGoT, I'll grant that on first read, Tyrion seems really clever and quick-thinking, and sure his method of making it out of the Vale alive is a creative solution... but when it comes down to it, his solution just boils down to using his family wealth, which isn't clever at all.
Thorne and Tyrion clearly dont get along when they have dinner at the lord commanders table
Around 17:15 when you are talking about Jon and Ben dinning. I feel like that is George criticizing egalitarian governments. Those governments (Soviet Union etc) promise equality for all as the Night Watch does. Where in reality the old class habits die hard both in our real world as in Westeros. The false promises and ideals that prop up “the system.”
If Stannis sent him to the Wall after the siege, Donal Noye might have had an axe to grind. There is no reason to think he is a neutral observer.
I’m think the loss of Donal Noye’s arm during the siege was written WITH their starvation in mind. I think he ate his own arm and that’s what got him sent to the wall. Stannis punished cannibalism by death but likely saw autocannibalism as a lesser crime worthy of taking the black.
Why would a blacksmith cut his arm?? It’ll make more sense he’ll cut a leg or something
I think it's along a similar line, not autocannibalism but that he tried to escape and his arm was lost in a fight with other defenders. Absolutely spot on one way or another that he ended up at the wall because of something that happened during that siege, Noye claims his career as a blacksmith is over because he's missing an arm, while he is actively employed as a blacksmith. So of course he's got a low opinion of Stannis as some unbending fool when Stannis's refusal to surrender is likely the ultimate root of his exile
The part about the officers being highborn makes me think that it makes sense the ppl who can read and do math take over those tasks. Ie Jon himself lobbies for Sam as master helper (a comfy position) because he is smart and also educated.
Preston says it is elitism, but im not so sure. Ie Pyke is commander at Eastwatch too because he is probably good at it due to being ironborn.
It still shows the elitism at nepotism when Tyrion blackmails Thorne into giving the explanation to John. I guess the book presents is a a nuinced theme, which is part of what makes the books good.
It's funny to hear Jon complaining about Benjin not being around him. Now we can see that his uncle was likely getting in Mormant's ear about Jon's potential.
15:00 I served in the military and later my son. Sadly, it is one of the best options for young people today. I made sure that I told my son everything so he was not blindsided like I was. I made sure he knew how to "play the game" when it came to his time in. The military is mostly a mind fuck.
Is it not saddening that what you think is one of the best options for young people you also describe as a mind fuck? Shows just how fucked up the world we live in today😓
47:10 “no king had visited the wall for a hundred years”. So does that mean Daeron II visited the wall? He was king 100 years before this scene. I didn’t think any Targ king ever went to the wall. I know GQA did but Jaeharys didn’t go with her.
I think Aegon the Conqueror might have been to the wall.
19:05 Well, two of them come back as wights.
59:03 Westwatch-by-the-Bridge (yeah it is not tower) is a: unoccupied and therefore does not merit mentioning here and b: is west of the Bridge of Skulls and the Gorge and therefore not on the Wall, thereby making the Shadow Tover indeed the last castle on the Wall (to the west).
Highborn knights being given preferential treatment makes sense. The Watch lacks recruits, so the ones with martial experience get promoted quicker.
But that's the point of systemic inequality being a problem. Ser Rodrick Cassel is meant to be a stand-in for a Yale legacy scholarship allowing shit bag kids like Jon to rise high in spite of his terrible and entitled attitude. He is rewarded by an unjust system because merit is the same as money because the rich control the levers of power that decide what merit and money even mean. The high born patting themselves on the back and being content with a system that rewards them is the central hypocrisy being satirized.
I think the important thing to remember about Jon's dream of his mother is the future chapter where he discusses his jealousy of Robb. Jon wants the life of a highborn with a castle to inherit and a family who loves him for who he is. Jon doesn't want necessarily want HIS mother. He just wants what a mother is supposed to represent. The only woman he's ever known in a maternal capacity is Cat, and Cat treated him like crap. He just wants a mom who looks at him like a son versus Catelyn who looks at him like a mistake. George may not have planned this specific story beat out yet, but it was definitely a seed he had sown.
My favorite answer to John's mom is she actually was the girl Robert was talking about. And Ned was just deflecting.
1:15 this is the asoiaf that never ends. Yes it goes on and on my friends, so Preston started writing it not knowing what it was and we continued writing it forever just because...
@PrestonJacobs have you or has anybody else that reads this comment ever wondered why Ned did not send John by to one of his bannermen to be fostered instead of joining the night's watch? I mean I get thematically that he had to go there to keep the story moving. But even before that why didn't he send them to be fostered with the mormonts on bear Island, or to last hearth?
I get that he had promised his sister to protect him but you would think that when he was leaving to go to King's landing it would be safer to send him to a another Lord's castle rather than the not to watch where people die all the time.
He could have done that earlier as well to keep lady Stark from having so much resentment against him...
And I can see him wanting to protect him and keep him near but when he went to King's landing come on that would have been the perfect time to have him Foster with another Lord and his family to you know keep him safe and not have him die. That would have solved both problems at one time it would have kept him away from Lady Stark while Ned Stark was in King's landing and it would have kept Jon safer than being in the night watch.
I don't know it's just a crazy thought.
Have you or anybody else who's reading this ever wondered that?
I mean the most obvious answer would be to blame bloodRaven of course.
But I mean I'm just saying it seems just a little bit irresponsible on Ned Stark's part.
Sorry for any grammatical or punctuation or errors in this I have to use voice text currently and yeah I forget sometimes.
@@Rebel_Lord_Taron the real answer is because the story needed it
@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367 yeah I agree I even mentioned that in the book I wrote in the comment there LOL but I mean seriously logically that would have been the right way to go.
@Rebel_Lord_Taron George does a lot of plot conveniences. Like the twincest. Why would people believe it, it makes no sense. Realistically, people would just claim the kids take after their mother.
Probably cause fostering would of taken time to arrange and would of been a risk, he'd basically be telling people that Jon isn't simply a bastard to him. You'd be giving a minor house a potential hostage to use against him.
Also what would the benefit be? Ned wanted Jon and Robb raised together like brothers to ensure a bond exists beyond his life time so as to know Jon would have a place in house Stark.
The wall has a similar function with Benjen being there. Jon being at the wall sorta ties it to Robb as well. Like Benjen and Ned
30:50 unfortunately GRRM did say that Jon will eventually learn of his parentage.
"Castle Black had no godswood" Do we know why this is? Its gotta be a deliberate worldbuilding choice, right? Especially since its brought up later, as they find the wights during Sam and Jon's oath swearing at the weirwood north of the Wall in Jon VII... it can't just be for the sake of making the plot of Jon VII flow very efficiently, can it? Surely GRRM must have some lore reason in mind?
Lord Snow is also a giant foreshadowing that he'd be Lord Commander Snow
The advice to lean into your brothers, ignore what people say about you because it doesn’t change the truth, and to stop putting on airs makes no sense coming from Tyrion, especially since he’d spent the journey up to the wall telling Jon to make what people say about you your armor. Tyrion could get away with acting like a jerk for a while because he actually was highborn and could swing his family name around but it massively backfires on him later when his reputation makes him out to be a monster even when he’s innocent.
The two different methods are also thematically relevant: being a lone wolf (who dies) or part of a pack (that survived).
How to be a Man: Part 2 ^^
The theme of this chapter really fits with your last stream
56:00 more evidence Tyrion was living in King's Landing? if he expected to talk with Ned soon. (I know it's a joke.)
01:04:58 "a place at court" makes it sound like more than just a guest
Ok. I'm not gonna lie, I'm 2:34 seconds in.... My question is.... Who the CLUCK likes Allister in the show? He was the BIGGEST C of almost* all the Cs in the show. I'd give him top 5 if not top 3 BIGGEST Cs. If R+L=J, he's even coated in irony. Cluckin clown shoes. Lol. All book debates aside, that was fun to write.
Anyone else think it’s random and messed up that storms end would send Noye to the wall for being crippled when he’s still a perfectly able armorer? And even if not, jeez.
At some point Jon hated it and was at the Wall but had not said the words... im almost sure its at this point were he could have left
I think the metaphor of empathy being what's needed for life is fine and even if I think you need to mix in some toughening up to get through life, it is a good world view.
However, the characters are not dealing with regular life, they are dealing with the military. Alliser cannot be compassionate because he must break the recruits in so they are obedient, or else, we will have a mutiny. Obviously most people here didn't see combat, but think about school. The nicest, most compassionate teachers were the ones who got trampled over by the students. You have to be at least a little cruel to maintain discipline.
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Alliser Throne did nothing wrong.
Didnt Jon decide religion at the point of taking NW vows in front of the weirwood tree?
I know it wouldnt fit george's habit but please talk to some people who train longsword fencing if you're ever going to do a duel in the fanfic. the opening fight was great to set the tone but nothing in it makes any sense. especially if you consider that jon is supposed to be painted as experienced and knowledgeable.
Elaborate?
What if the guys that came with Jon are as bad as guys that Bran is watching when Rob got all the good guys gone?
and Alliser is right
George probably forgot Tyrion liked Aliser Thorne, or just did it for plot reasons
Is there any plans to continue with the theory videos between these videos and the podcast style videos i just end up not watching which is a shame been following since pink letter and og dornish master plan videos
Mr preston will you talk about tywin’s secret smile for cersei
Has anybody been to the Richard Gear museum? It’s pretty cool.
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Jon being irreligious shouldn’t have anything to do with protecting Winterfell’s godswood. It’s an important piece of history and heritage. I bet most atheists would still want to keep their local historic churches in good working order
Nerdrotic gave you a shot out for your Euron 2 chapter in FNT clip on GRRM will never finish the WOW. I never knew you were a Friday Night Tights super fan?
Is it just me, or does the last scene kinda read like a Christmas movie?
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The real hair on your chest was the friends you made along the way.
Should have sent him to the wall because he looked like rhaegar ..
I wish Preston did call ins because i like him but i so vehemently disagree with like everything in his world view, and no amount of text can ever close the distance just the nature of the medium
Okay, the difference between Alistair Thorne and real military training is definitely similar, but it is very much different as well. Like was saying about the movie officer and a gentleman, in the army I can't speak for the other branches because I wasn't in there but when I went through military boot camp and training in the army I learned that the drill instructors were hard asses for real and I went through way before all this nice guy can't put your hands on people people have feelings crap happens.. in the time that I went through boot camp back again the sergeants the Drew instructors the corporal's they would definitely put hands on you if you acting stupid with them and they had already previously warned you about your behavior. And I'm not talking about each time your behavior was wrong I mean they would give you one warning, period! After that one warning anytime you messed up it could be you being the subject of ridicule or they can put hands on you or you can be thrown in the stocks or you could be forced to do a 10 mi hike with 100 lb of s*** on your back for no reason or have to do 100 push-ups. at one time there was a guy who was forced to put the bottom soles of his boots on the wall and lean back to the wall like he was sitting on it and hold up to 5 gales with concrete in each one for 10 minutes. If either one of them buckets touch the ground or he came off that wall, he would be having a drill instructor follow him while he ran for miles. Or he may have to do an obstacle course over again or something just for the sheer punishment of it. But I want you all to understand something they are not being mean like sir Alistair Thorne was just to be dicks they also would die for you. and that's what they're really trying to instill in you a sense of brotherhood and the fact that you're not there just to look out for yourself you're looking out for your fellow soldiers too and much like you would die for them they would die for you. I had a sergeant in Afghanistan who was always the first in and the last out of any room that we had to bust through to clear and he would always put himself in harm's Way before he would put a single one of his soldiers. And that is what they're trying to instill into you with their very harsh and demeaning yet effective training methods. Because they are trying to make sure you understand that there are consequences even for the smallest mess up and the smallest decision that may not just affect you but everybody else. And that is the part that Alistair Thorne has completely wrong. And that is why Donal Noye it's so awesome because much like the movie Preston keeps referencing they are two different sides of the same coin but in real life both sides of that coin would be there in your drill instructor warrior commanding officer or whoever your Chief is at the time.
Is actually a pretty damn good depiction. And believe it or not sadly but true the movie full Metal jacket is very much a pretty accurate depiction of how boot camp went back in the day before all this politically correct crap happened.
Have a good day y'all and thanks for doing a good job Preston.
I think theon is 16 at the start of the story
I reread book 1 last month and Sam reasons to join the NW make no sense when we learn about other that joined the Citadel.
Isnt it because his father wouldnt allow it?
@TheEnecca yeah, but this point is also kinda stupid.
@@iliaponomarev1624 Yeah but that's Lord Tarly being stupid as a character not the author being stupid by writing something unrealistic.
Randel Tarly forced the NW/pig hunt on Sam so Dickon could be Heir... now I don't see why they couldn't just force Sam to give up the claim but . . Randel either way figured Sam would die
@@gokbay3057it became unrealistic because of later things he added to the lore.
Why did you leave x?
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gurllll…. i expected you to be a better reader. you high, homie?
Preston. I love you and Ive watched almost all your videos but you have to learn how to form an opinion. You speak like you wrote the books yourself and know why every word was written. You're not GRRM
PJ IS BACK FOMOS
lmao Preston I've got an idea - you train an army your way and I'll train one the way of the harsh, mean, military and we'll see who wins :)