Just put mine in today! Surprised on how much better this trigger is.. thought it was more for ascetic’s. But no. It really is smoother! that gritty mush and creep is GONE! Worth it 100%
I literally just finished installing the trigger and spring kit on my wife’s new Sig a few minutes ago, and only had one issue, the takedown lever didn’t want to seat, and had to massage the trigger with a file due to it bottoming out on the frame and not letting the tip of the lever to seat, but finally got it, nice trigger, very easy job, thank you for the awesome video
Love this company. They’re involved in their stuff and active. Took me 6 months to get my mcarbo kit into my p01 because I didn’t know much about internals then. Got all my parts in and it runs amazing.
I had the biggest trouble putting the take down lever back in!! Simple fix but different steps than your vid, at least on the macro. It was impossible to fully insert the take down lever, what I had to do differently is install it BEFORE you reinstall the trigger pin. That simple step took me forever to figure out. That was honestly the hardest part but thankfully SO easy when in the right order. Helpful video for everything else though, excited to try out the trigger now
@@MannyTheDriver agreed wish it was in the video as it’s a pretty important step. Also, I too had the same issue with the safety lever and the slide hitting it. I was told it was due to manufacturing tolerances on the safety lever. Now, I do Not recall it being an issue before I did the swap but I also didn’t have it long before I did the trigger swap. I ordered a new replacement safety lever (just the same standard oem one) and it did seem to fix it so who knows. I think it was $15-$20 or so
Great feel in the trigger. Took a few tries to juggle all the parts. I am by no means a professional armorer. Novice at best. Laying out all the parts and this video is one of the best I have seen in installing aftermarket parts. Explanation of what does what and the technical help was thorough. Having a good punch kit is not necessary but it does help. Thanks again!!
Thanks very much, Chris, for a really good tutorial on installing the MCarbo flat trigger, as well as your trigger spring kit. I’m 72, and the P 365 is my first gun ever of any kind. I really like the gun, and I concealed-pocket-carry it most days. But, at the range, I found its trigger too stiff and difficult to pull for my taste. So, when I discovered MCarbo’s CNC trigger, I bought it, as well as the trigger spring kit. I really liked your video talking about what MCarbo went through designing it, and I was encouraged by your step-by-step instructions and the clear video of the process. It was pretty easy to follow, with one exception being when you put in the safety lever pin. I initially put it in rotated around about 90° from where it should have been, and I didn’t see how its lip needed to go over the small vertical projection on the back end of the takedown safety lever. This, of course, kept the gun from operating when I put it back together. The other thing that confused me was that you didn’t show what to do with my manual safety. But, after carefully observing how it worked, I was able to remove it, then later replace it. Since it partially covers the sear parts, I figured (correctly) that it should go in last. The other thing I found, with my gun, at least, was that when the trigger set screw had two threads showing, that that was too high, and it kept the trigger from being pulled far enough to fire the gun. So, I backed off the set screw, and now the trigger is smooth as butter. Now, I’m as excited as you are, and I can’t wait to get to the range and burn through some ammo! Thanks to my MCarbo brothers (I’m a USN enlisted veteran ‘69-‘73) for being there-and here in my home town of Clearwater, FL, no less!!
This video with it’s amazing explication and side by side comparison completely sold me. I had actually purchased the Sig flat trigger one day before stumbling onto this video. I watched the video and immediately purchased this trigger. Now all I need to do is try and cancel the sig trigger before it ships. Great job guys!
Installed this and the mcarbo spring kit on a new p365 with oil and no PTFE grease and the 10 pull average went from 7lbs 2oz to 4lbs 11oz. the wall is much more defined and smooth to pull through it got rid of the scratchy feeling I was experiencing on stock components. Was such a pain in the ass to figure out compared to glock or ar triggers. I can admire their ability to design this puzzle but it has given me a new respect for the simplicity of glock.
Just got my flat trigger after they came back in stock, I almost opted for a different trigger but decided to wait. I also got the spring kit and hope it takes out that gritty feel when racking the slide. Also going to polish some stuff while it’s apart. Can’t wait to get this on and slap it in my new Icarus frame
Installed this on my X-Macro and put a couple hundred rounds through it. The slide comp helps with muzzle flip from the factory but my ability to engage with a lighter trigger pull and predictable reduced reset, all in, makes a world of difference. Not usually a fan of 'modding' EDC, but this is an exception and it's in the rotation
@@Tyler224424 I went with the trigger and spring set because they're mechanically complementary, definitely worth it. Didn't bother with the striker upgrade as I haven't experienced the striker drag some of the earlier P365's did. YMMV
This was my only concern. The trigger mod on my M&P is butter but has resulted in a very picky gun with regards to ammo and lite strikes. I swore I would not mod the trigger on my EDC but the factory trigger is really not to my liking
Just put mine in and WOW what a difference. I went from regretting buying this gun because the trigger was like squeezing a squirrel to loving shooting it! Thanks again
One engineer to another, I’m sold! Best product demo I’ve seen for a gun part. I like to know a little about how the sausage is made and you delivered!
Sold! 😂 Just ordered the trigger, spring set, punch set, and bench block. Striker assembly will be next. Thanks for engineering some cool upgrades for a very interesting modular platform. Always wanted to customize an edc, and the P365X just checked all the boxes for me. I like tinkering, so it looks like a piece of cake. Definitely done some very meticulous tinkering in my day. It'll be worth it.
IF YOU HAVE AN SAS, the take down level has to be inserted before the trigger is fully on, it won't go past the point you need it to in order to seat properly. So you put back in the takedown lever, straddle the trigger, put on the bar, and then back the take down lever off so you can put the other bar into the slot, etc. I couldn't get the slide to go back on, it would dead stop about 10% before flush with where it would normally end up. SAS take down lever is a pain.
Good in depth video very detailed much more involved with the P365 short stroke trigger than the P320 was rather simple there's no way l would attempt this upgrade to the gunsmith
I didn't know anything about FCUs. Now I know all about them and how they operate. I'm confident that I could do this..with this video. Nice job! thanks
It took me a few hours to install (rewinding video, toying with the parts) but I got it done. If I can do it so can you! Highly recommend getting all the pieces mentioned in this video unless you have some lying around or more experienced with take down/install. This was my first attempt at anything gun modifying and glad I got the parts.
I was able to install mine today. My take down lever needed a couple of taps from a mallet to go all the way in. even aligned the right way, but outside of that pretty smooth sailing. The sear aligning tip definitely saved a headache.
One critical thing: the takedown lever. I followed this video and the spring kit video to the T. I was able to take apart and install everything no issues. But when I went to reassemble my slide wouldn’t go all the way on and lock back. You have to make sure to push the takedown lever until it clicks for it to be all the way in. Once it was in there was no issues. Other then that great video, great products would highly recommend.
I’m a cnc machinist that also runs a 5th axis and once I came across this trigger I was SOLD! Better than anything else I’ve found and WAYYYY better than the stupid injection molded trigger.
Don't start this late and have alot of patience and light. This btw is a perfect breakdown video how evwr i have the safety switch which is one more step to remove and install. 👍👍👍
Without this video I would've never got my trigger and spring kit installed. It was definitely involved and frustrating, but I got it done and happy I did! Thank you for the video
I ordered the M*Carbo trigger on Friday and received it via Fedex on Sunday, great 2 day service at no additional cost. This new trigger is replacing a GrayGuns P365 flat trigger that hurt my finger after a couple rounds to shoot. Not every flat trigger is the same.
I agree. I really don't care if a part is MIM if it's finished well and it functions properly. The reduced travel and better geometry are what makes this trigger appealing.
On a new nanufacture 365X I was having problems , getting the take down lever back in, while following the directions of the video. The solution was to do the trigger bar. But not seat it in the disconnector/sear section of the fcu. I then help the trigger bar attached to the trigger , back as far as I could and pushed the takedown lever through, and was able to rotate it over its groove
Installing mine tomorrow. The FCU is slightly more complex than I had imagined, but since it's out of the frame it looks like you can access all the itty bitty parts more easily. Great video, thanks for taking your time and really explaining everything.
You can stick a flathead screwdriver behind the plastic housing for the striker and push it forward. No need to mangle it all up. Sor those with the sas model, this trigger appears to fit and work. With the slide release, you need to put it back in BEFORE you install the new trigger.
Yep I'm sold. I recently purchased a 365 X Macro as well so this will be nice because the triggers on these things are horrible compared to my X5 Legion
Bought this Kit for my x macro, everything worked like a champ, minor differences, the take down lever HAS to be put in when you put in the trigger itself as the notched part cannot seat properly as the trigger JUST blocks it (like 1mm or less) took a minute to figure it. but I put this and replaced the striker and it went smooth. Also if you have an xmacro the seer spring doesn't have a 'pocket' but a small hole. minor hiccups. but man the slack reduction before hitting the wall and trigger reset are SO much better !
Installed it minus the springs and its awesome.. may do springs at some point, but the gun is new, so im gonna let it break in. May not need springs at that point. Gonna be my back up
I just completed the trigger and new springs installation! Omg I’m shaking from nerves. No way in hell I could have done this without your video! Btw what a difference! Wow! Just the trigger alone was huge. And now with the lighter springs. I also own a 365 sas so I was able to do a side by side simultaneous comparison. Massive difference. Thank you guys so very much!!!!
Very detailed video, good job. It looks like the MIM trigger moved from 7 to 6 o’clock, and the MCARBO trigger started and moved from 6 to 5 o’clock. So I see almost the same travel just a different starting point give or take a thousandth of and inch. For me with longer fingers I think the Sig trigger works better for me not making me pull my finger back farther in the trigger guard and keeping me from putting side pressure on the trigger causing a push or pull tendency and decreasing my accuracy on shot placement. I’ll stick with accuracy. Looks like a very nice trigger though. It’s all about being comfortable with your firearm. Glad they are selling and there are happy customers.
excellent video, the only complication is that I have the 365XL with a manual safety, so the details of the manual safety present a bit of a different issue with the disassembly of the FCU.
Hmmmm...Im going to order your trigger for my P365 X Macro Comp.. Your trigger travel is phenominal!!! $80 is a value... Ive bought MCarbo products before and they are TOP NOTCH QUALITY!!!! Ill get Price's Gun Repair to install the trigger...
Just installed this on my gun tonight, off all the things that could give me grief, I was not expecting it to be the damn take down lever. It just would not go back in with the trigger in there, even the damn striker sleeve gracefully folded out of the way with minimal marring, but that take down lever was as stubborn as a mule to go back in its home.
Update: got to take it out this weekend and run a box through it… really impressed! Smooth, short stroke, quick reset. Trigger plus MCarbo spring kit, and some smooth internals make for a great setup. Thanks MCarbo!
My trigger should arrive today for my non-thumb safety XMacro. It sounds like an install video is needed for CA complaint thumb safety versions having issues with the safety lever interfering with the trigger bar... Will update with my experience after install.
On my California version p365 on the trigger pin it has a little nub at the end that with the stock trigger you tapped it in.... With the m carbo trigger just file it down and push the pin in
What kind of testing (round count, abuse, failure point...etc) have you guys performed with the trigger? Also, have you guys tested it with your spring kits for the 365? How did that play out? I'm curious to take a look at it but of course I fear not using Sig parts or even modifying a carry gun at all. Essentially that is all the 365 is to me.
In the video it shows Chris shooting with the trigger and spring kit installed, watch until the end. And the trigger is machined from steel and then hardened as opposed to oem mim, can’t see how it could fail imo.
It would be nice if there was a video specific to the SAS model. I have spent 12-15 hours on installing the trigger and spring kit. Most of the problem was in reassembly. Then when I had to all back together and it functioned, the takedown button, not the lever reset after locking the slide back. I seriously wish I hadn’t started this project. I have done other aftermarket triggers and springs but have never had this much trouble. Plus, dry firing, I am not too impressed with the trigger action.
I put only the trigger in my gun (not the springs), and the takeup is definitely shorter (feels like maybe 1cm of total takeup now), and the reset seems a lot shorter and even more positive as well. I already have another 365 which had a lot of trigger work done to it (which feels great, but still has a lot of takeup), and this makes me want to put one of these short stroke triggers in that one too.
This was MUCH harder than the video makes it out to be. Some of the geometries of the trigger are off on mine, it doesn't look like the one in this video. I eventually figured out a way to put it back together but it took a lot of time.
@@Beltfedshooters mine is coming in soon, super pumped for the WC grip module. This gun with that grip, zev tech extended mag release, and the mcarbo upgrades is such a great shooter
If I had a 365 I would definitely invest in this trigger. Bought Mcarbo parts in the past and they are top notch. And I've upgraded Walther's, FN's, and CZ's and I can tell you those triggers were significantly higher in price.
First time hand gun owner here. I purchased this trigger and spring kit for my P365XL. Since I had very little knowledge of how to install this properly, I took it to a certified gun smith that has been in the business for many years and is very reputable. I took the gun home and dry fired it to get used to this trigger. It worked exactly how he said it would in the video, except it failed on me about 10 trigger pulls in. Now the trigger just hits the wall and doesn’t break. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! PS- the gun smith told me he is a very big fan of the quality products you sell
@@tampabayspearfishing5297 appreciate the feedback, I will hit up the gun smith tomorrow. What an amazing product, this trigger really is going to take this ccw to the next level.
Having this issue was running the mcarbo trigger hit the range after install trigger went after 5 rounds and sounds exactly how u described now it just is springy with no fire or reset
Took my wife to the gun range. Rented the Sigg 365 380 ACP and the Glock 42. Shot Federal 380 ACP ammo. On the Sigg every 5 round it won’t fire or feed properly 😢. I was thinking that it was pretty dirty due to it was a rental gun. The Glock 42 in 380 with its 6 rounds worked flawlessly using the federal ammo. She likes the sig because of its ten rounds vs the Glock with its 6. The range guy Broke them both down and both were extremely nasty look like mud in both guns. He did spray them out to clean them up not my standards but he cleaned them. The Sigg still hung up around the seventh to the 10th round after cleaning Glock still perform well. So if she decide to purchase the Sigg. What issues to look for? I know all guns have issues
I thought Walther was going to take the lead in pistol technology after the amazing P99/PPQ series, but Sig stepped up to the plate and left Walther in the dust.
A little update. Trigger and spring kit installed! Next up, striker assembly. Didn't mar up the plastic piece in the striker assembly too bad. Was pretty difficult removing while trying to be gentle. I'm not pulling the striker assembly out again unless it's to install the M-Carbo titanium striker kit. Sheesh
the orientation of the safety lever pin upon reassembly was not clear to me and I ended up locking my gun up for a few minutes upon putting the gun back together. fortunately I was able to get it apart and found that it needed to be rotated 180 degrees, which solved the issue. however once the slide was back on the gun as intended, the trigger wouldn't go off. So I backed out the trigger screw a couple small turns, and it's working perfectly now.
It is clear this little adventure is a bit beyond me but I would offer a suggestion as to the actual instruction part of your video, which begins at 29:00 minutes. One, pull three individuals who are not military armorers, nor gunsmiths, full time or part time but can take some things apart and put them back together. Give them a 365XL, latest version, a large enough computer screen, cloth surface, the tools you recommend and see if they can remove the old trigger and install the new one. Answer no questions but makes notes of their comments, both pro and con of the project. If they can do it with no help other than your video, great. If not, how do you improve so that they can? The idea here is to make it so that the average firearm owner can do this project. If that is impossible, say that up front. My DOR is 15 Jan 71, Infantry OCS with an MOS of 1542, which is no longer used I believe. I have installed new triggers in AR-15 and some other modifications but just could not follow this one....I wonder if a dedicated camera person with skill to do the photography might help. I specify the latest version vs the older version Sig to explain the differences......have a great day.
@mcarbo, so is there a solution to the safety lever not sitting flush after trigger install ? If anyone else has any input, that would be great too. Notice in the video when he put the slide back on, he put it on then the safety lever caught it. He tried for about 1 seconds, then the video is cut and edited, and the slide is past that safety lever. I would like to see the unedited version showing this known issue, and how you ended up getting the slide back on past that safety lever that isn't flush after the trigger install.
hi chris, any way to get rid of the slop and slack before the break. i want it to set at six and ready to go. the initial slop i can adjust to, but when i think i am at the wall and there is still more slack it is throwing me off. i have compared the 3 main aftermarket triggers and mcarbo for feel and reset is #1 for crisp.. i dont want to mess with the set screw and back it out, the idea of messing with the fcu is a bit much for me. someone had suggested a longer set screw. would that help take out the slop and slack and set it dead at 6? good product i just want this to set like my freedomsmith sport on my canik also your products saved the keltec pmr 30 from going to the shat pile thanks for the engineering
For anyone who cares; my P365XL with the MCARBO trigger and stock springs reads approximately 4.3lbs from a 10 pull average on my Wheeler. Side to side comparison with a stock XL showed clear reduction in travel and a more tactile reset. Definately a worthwhile upgrade.
@@fullfire0 With stock springs? I really am not sure why people post information without the details that matter. I can't take your data point into consideration because you're missing specific details. Please edit your comment to include: round count, whether the springs are stock, and how many pulls you did to get an average.
Thank you for posting this, I have no interest in swapping springs on a carry piece but the stock curved trigger was starting to drive me a little nuts today.
That reset takes just as long as stock, now I'm assuming this is because it's not adjusted at all. But this is the problem with EVERY video on this trigger, nobody shows it adjusted and everyone just shows the stock reset and the fact this thing breaks past 90. Grayguns, and Tactical triggers both have really compelling offerings because they solve the problem of the P365 having a long reset which slows it down when compared to offerings from Walther or CZ.
Why didn't you mention the safety being proud after the trigger installation? It seems you cut away in your video at 105:50 when your slide stopped at the safety and resumed the video after it was replaced. What does MCrorbo mean again? I'm a veteran also.
Love my 365XL. I've bought the CNC trigger and will be installing it soon. As far as things for M*Carbo to work on... is there anything you can do with the cartoonish sound the striker makes when dry firing? Instead of a solid 'click' it makes a muted 'boing' sound - sorta like Elmer chasing Daffy and stepping on a rake and the sound the handle makes smacking him in the face... I'm guessing the striker spring is resonating in it's channel after the striker fires. A nit-pick to be sure but it makes the gun seem a bit like like a toy... Does the spring kit reduce this or just change the pitch? Thanks
I was sent a faulty product (my gunsmith can't even install the trigger owing to a misaligned firing pin) and MCARBO hasn't replied to multiple voicemails or e-mails. Company is radio silent. Buyers beware!
Even though I love the feel of this trigger after going to the range and firing 200 rounds on any given day the trigger pinch I get from this particular trigger leaves a nasty blister on my finger pad. I wish it was slightly curved and broke at 90 degrees even, then it would be perfect.
P365XL, no manual safety in case specifics are need... but, in general, when replacing a stock trigger with this replacement, are there safety concerns? Ie, is the firearm still drop safe?
Came for the trigger, stayed for the love that was put into the video.
I’m sold and ordering one tonight
Ordering one myself.
It does not fit.
Halfway through this disassembly video I started thinking my factory flat trigger isn’t really that bad 😆.
I was thinking the same thing, but I was able to do the spring upgrade with very little problem.
Not bad, just not as good as Shield 2.0 too much travel and reset. Still mushy on sear and need a polish
It’s not that bad after the first time you do it
Just put mine in today! Surprised on how much better this trigger is.. thought it was more for ascetic’s. But no. It really is smoother! that gritty mush and creep is GONE! Worth it 100%
I literally just finished installing the trigger and spring kit on my wife’s new Sig a few minutes ago, and only had one issue, the takedown lever didn’t want to seat, and had to massage the trigger with a file due to it bottoming out on the frame and not letting the tip of the lever to seat, but finally got it, nice trigger, very easy job, thank you for the awesome video
Well just in time. It was back ordered a month, just received the shipping email 30 minutes before this video hit, perfect timing!
I think mine will be in the next batch. I’m jelly.
Love this company. They’re involved in their stuff and active. Took me 6 months to get my mcarbo kit into my p01 because I didn’t know much about internals then. Got all my parts in and it runs amazing.
They don’t warranty their work or return calls or emails. Terrible company
I had the biggest trouble putting the take down lever back in!! Simple fix but different steps than your vid, at least on the macro. It was impossible to fully insert the take down lever, what I had to do differently is install it BEFORE you reinstall the trigger pin.
That simple step took me forever to figure out.
That was honestly the hardest part but thankfully SO easy when in the right order.
Helpful video for everything else though, excited to try out the trigger now
Thanks! Same issue.
You are a lifesaver dude, thank you!
@@6666ben6666 happy I could help!!
Same issue and figured it out in my own. This should have been in the video. Now the issue is my slide keeps hitting this lever no matter what I do.
@@MannyTheDriver agreed wish it was in the video as it’s a pretty important step.
Also, I too had the same issue with the safety lever and the slide hitting it. I was told it was due to manufacturing tolerances on the safety lever. Now, I do Not recall it being an issue before I did the swap but I also didn’t have it long before I did the trigger swap.
I ordered a new replacement safety lever (just the same standard oem one) and it did seem to fix it so who knows.
I think it was $15-$20 or so
Great feel in the trigger. Took a few tries to juggle all the parts. I am by no means a professional armorer. Novice at best. Laying out all the parts and this video is one of the best I have seen in installing aftermarket parts. Explanation of what does what and the technical help was thorough. Having a good punch kit is not necessary but it does help.
Thanks again!!
Thanks very much, Chris, for a really good tutorial on installing the MCarbo flat trigger, as well as your trigger spring kit. I’m 72, and the P 365 is my first gun ever of any kind. I really like the gun, and I concealed-pocket-carry it most days. But, at the range, I found its trigger too stiff and difficult to pull for my taste. So, when I discovered MCarbo’s CNC trigger, I bought it, as well as the trigger spring kit. I really liked your video talking about what MCarbo went through designing it, and I was encouraged by your step-by-step instructions and the clear video of the process. It was pretty easy to follow, with one exception being when you put in the safety lever pin. I initially put it in rotated around about 90° from where it should have been, and I didn’t see how its lip needed to go over the small vertical projection on the back end of the takedown safety lever. This, of course, kept the gun from operating when I put it back together. The other thing that confused me was that you didn’t show what to do with my manual safety. But, after carefully observing how it worked, I was able to remove it, then later replace it. Since it partially covers the sear parts, I figured (correctly) that it should go in last. The other thing I found, with my gun, at least, was that when the trigger set screw had two threads showing, that that was too high, and it kept the trigger from being pulled far enough to fire the gun. So, I backed off the set screw, and now the trigger is smooth as butter. Now, I’m as excited as you are, and I can’t wait to get to the range and burn through some ammo! Thanks to my MCarbo brothers (I’m a USN enlisted veteran ‘69-‘73) for being there-and here in my home town of Clearwater, FL, no less!!
This video with it’s amazing explication and side by side comparison completely sold me. I had actually purchased the Sig flat trigger one day before stumbling onto this video. I watched the video and immediately purchased this trigger. Now all I need to do is try and cancel the sig trigger before it ships. Great job guys!
Installed this and the mcarbo spring kit on a new p365 with oil and no PTFE grease and the 10 pull average went from 7lbs 2oz to 4lbs 11oz. the wall is much more defined and smooth to pull through it got rid of the scratchy feeling I was experiencing on stock components. Was such a pain in the ass to figure out compared to glock or ar triggers. I can admire their ability to design this puzzle but it has given me a new respect for the simplicity of glock.
Nice explanation. I am looking to shorten the trigger reach distance and this video does a good job of showing that.
Just got my flat trigger after they came back in stock, I almost opted for a different trigger but decided to wait. I also got the spring kit and hope it takes out that gritty feel when racking the slide. Also going to polish some stuff while it’s apart. Can’t wait to get this on and slap it in my new Icarus frame
Installed this on my X-Macro and put a couple hundred rounds through it. The slide comp helps with muzzle flip from the factory but my ability to engage with a lighter trigger pull and predictable reduced reset, all in, makes a world of difference.
Not usually a fan of 'modding' EDC, but this is an exception and it's in the rotation
Makes me excited to get my new trigger into my X-Macro 😎
Would it be worth it to upgrade with the full kit in your opinion?
@@Tyler224424 I went with the trigger and spring set because they're mechanically complementary, definitely worth it. Didn't bother with the striker upgrade as I haven't experienced the striker drag some of the earlier P365's did. YMMV
This was my only concern. The trigger mod on my M&P is butter but has resulted in a very picky gun with regards to ammo and lite strikes. I swore I would not mod the trigger on my EDC but the factory trigger is really not to my liking
Just put mine in and WOW what a difference. I went from regretting buying this gun because the trigger was like squeezing a squirrel to loving shooting it! Thanks again
One engineer to another, I’m sold! Best product demo I’ve seen for a gun part. I like to know a little about how the sausage is made and you delivered!
Added this trigger and spring kit yesterday. Worked the gun some today- amazing! Every sig I get is gonna get these parts
Great tutorial but way beyond my comfort level. Now I need to find someone to do the work for me after I order the upgrade.
Sold! 😂 Just ordered the trigger, spring set, punch set, and bench block. Striker assembly will be next. Thanks for engineering some cool upgrades for a very interesting modular platform. Always wanted to customize an edc, and the P365X just checked all the boxes for me. I like tinkering, so it looks like a piece of cake. Definitely done some very meticulous tinkering in my day. It'll be worth it.
IF YOU HAVE AN SAS, the take down level has to be inserted before the trigger is fully on, it won't go past the point you need it to in order to seat properly. So you put back in the takedown lever, straddle the trigger, put on the bar, and then back the take down lever off so you can put the other bar into the slot, etc. I couldn't get the slide to go back on, it would dead stop about 10% before flush with where it would normally end up. SAS take down lever is a pain.
Good in depth video very detailed much more involved with the P365 short stroke trigger than the P320 was rather simple there's no way l would attempt this upgrade to the gunsmith
I didn't know anything about FCUs. Now I know all about them and how they operate. I'm confident that I could do this..with this video. Nice job! thanks
It took me a few hours to install (rewinding video, toying with the parts) but I got it done. If I can do it so can you! Highly recommend getting all the pieces mentioned in this video unless you have some lying around or more experienced with take down/install. This was my first attempt at anything gun modifying and glad I got the parts.
I was able to install mine today. My take down lever needed a couple of taps from a mallet to go all the way in. even aligned the right way, but outside of that pretty smooth sailing. The sear aligning tip definitely saved a headache.
One critical thing: the takedown lever. I followed this video and the spring kit video to the T. I was able to take apart and install everything no issues. But when I went to reassemble my slide wouldn’t go all the way on and lock back. You have to make sure to push the takedown lever until it clicks for it to be all the way in. Once it was in there was no issues. Other then that great video, great products would highly recommend.
Mcarbo, this is a home run for your company, Great trigger, and it's a 👍 video. 👍
That striker sleeve backplate removal process is insane.
I’m a cnc machinist that also runs a 5th axis and once I came across this trigger I was SOLD! Better than anything else I’ve found and WAYYYY better than the stupid injection molded trigger.
Don't start this late and have alot of patience and light. This btw is a perfect breakdown video how evwr i have the safety switch which is one more step to remove and install. 👍👍👍
Without this video I would've never got my trigger and spring kit installed. It was definitely involved and frustrating, but I got it done and happy I did! Thank you for the video
Took me and the other smith's 30min each trigger...very simple and easy install
Woo hoo!! I enjoyed the spring kit for my 365 xl from you all. Looking forward to this trigger now too.
I ordered the M*Carbo trigger on Friday and received it via Fedex on Sunday, great 2 day service at no additional cost. This new trigger is replacing a GrayGuns P365 flat trigger that hurt my finger after a couple rounds to shoot. Not every flat trigger is the same.
Yes please make a solid housing. The plastic on mine seems so cheap. I put the upgrade’s on 👍🏽. Just waiting to test fire
Great video!! Definitely will be buying one from you. I appreciate the time spent with this video.
MIM is part of life in these types of guns. You had me at geometry. That’s the ultimate win.
I agree. I really don't care if a part is MIM if it's finished well and it functions properly. The reduced travel and better geometry are what makes this trigger appealing.
Pretty damn impressive for a marketing guy!
Ordered mine today! Can't wait!
On a new nanufacture 365X I was having problems , getting the take down lever back in, while following the directions of the video. The solution was to do the trigger bar. But not seat it in the disconnector/sear section of the fcu. I then help the trigger bar attached to the trigger , back as far as I could and pushed the takedown lever through, and was able to rotate it over its groove
Waiting on my X-Macro to arrive. This trigger combined with a Icarus grip mod is going to be sweet.
I had no idea replacing the trigger had so many steps! Looks like it’s worth the money and trouble. Love my P365XL
Good explanation, that said idiots will not comprehend. Very good video
Installing mine tomorrow. The FCU is slightly more complex than I had imagined, but since it's out of the frame it looks like you can access all the itty bitty parts more easily. Great video, thanks for taking your time and really explaining everything.
Great video, looking forward to trying it out.
I reccomend the Wilson Combat grip frames. Easy to swap out and is the difference between o.k. and a real solid feel/grip-Best of luck -God bless.
@@ShawnShipstad think you responded to the wrong person.
Sweeeet video! I love how In depth you go with the information. Good job on the time put into this video. 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
You can stick a flathead screwdriver behind the plastic housing for the striker and push it forward. No need to mangle it all up. Sor those with the sas model, this trigger appears to fit and work. With the slide release, you need to put it back in BEFORE you install the new trigger.
Yep I'm sold. I recently purchased a 365 X Macro as well so this will be nice because the triggers on these things are horrible compared to my X5 Legion
Bought this Kit for my x macro, everything worked like a champ, minor differences, the take down lever HAS to be put in when you put in the trigger itself as the notched part cannot seat properly as the trigger JUST blocks it (like 1mm or less) took a minute to figure it. but I put this and replaced the striker and it went smooth. Also if you have an xmacro the seer spring doesn't have a 'pocket' but a small hole. minor hiccups. but man the slack reduction before hitting the wall and trigger reset are SO much better !
Installed it minus the springs and its awesome.. may do springs at some point, but the gun is new, so im gonna let it break in. May not need springs at that point. Gonna be my back up
I just completed the trigger and new springs installation! Omg I’m shaking from nerves. No way in hell I could have done this without your video!
Btw what a difference! Wow! Just the trigger alone was huge. And now with the lighter springs. I also own a 365 sas so I was able to do a side by side simultaneous comparison. Massive difference. Thank you guys so very much!!!!
Very detailed video, good job. It looks like the MIM trigger moved from 7 to 6 o’clock, and the MCARBO trigger started and moved from 6 to 5 o’clock. So I see almost the same travel just a different starting point give or take a thousandth of and inch. For me with longer fingers I think the Sig trigger works better for me not making me pull my finger back farther in the trigger guard and keeping me from putting side pressure on the trigger causing a push or pull tendency and decreasing my accuracy on shot placement. I’ll stick with accuracy. Looks like a very nice trigger though. It’s all about being comfortable with your firearm. Glad they are selling and there are happy customers.
excellent video, the only complication is that I have the 365XL with a manual safety, so the details of the manual safety present a bit of a different issue with the disassembly of the FCU.
Hmmmm...Im going to order your trigger for my P365 X Macro Comp.. Your trigger travel is phenominal!!! $80 is a value... Ive bought MCarbo products before and they are TOP NOTCH QUALITY!!!! Ill get Price's Gun Repair to install the trigger...
Ok I'm going to order one. A request.. make a larger safety that doesn't suck! lol Thanks!
Just installed this on my gun tonight, off all the things that could give me grief, I was not expecting it to be the damn take down lever. It just would not go back in with the trigger in there, even the damn striker sleeve gracefully folded out of the way with minimal marring, but that take down lever was as stubborn as a mule to go back in its home.
Just added this MCarbo trigger to my 365; LOVE IT!!!
Update: got to take it out this weekend and run a box through it… really impressed! Smooth, short stroke, quick reset. Trigger plus MCarbo spring kit, and some smooth internals make for a great setup. Thanks MCarbo!
TOTALLY WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!
You should offer upgraded trigger bar and sear set as well. There is room to improve on sear break to be less mushy.
My trigger should arrive today for my non-thumb safety XMacro. It sounds like an install video is needed for CA complaint thumb safety versions having issues with the safety lever interfering with the trigger bar... Will update with my experience after install.
I am ordering mine today 💪😎
On my California version p365 on the trigger pin it has a little nub at the end that with the stock trigger you tapped it in.... With the m carbo trigger just file it down and push the pin in
Just ordered one tonight for my macro, currently 20$ off
What kind of testing (round count, abuse, failure point...etc) have you guys performed with the trigger? Also, have you guys tested it with your spring kits for the 365? How did that play out?
I'm curious to take a look at it but of course I fear not using Sig parts or even modifying a carry gun at all. Essentially that is all the 365 is to me.
In the video it shows Chris shooting with the trigger and spring kit installed, watch until the end. And the trigger is machined from steel and then hardened as opposed to oem mim, can’t see how it could fail imo.
It would be nice if there was a video specific to the SAS model. I have spent 12-15 hours on installing the trigger and spring kit. Most of the problem was in reassembly. Then when I had to all back together and it functioned, the takedown button, not the lever reset after locking the slide back. I seriously wish I hadn’t started this project. I have done other aftermarket triggers and springs but have never had this much trouble. Plus, dry firing, I am not too impressed with the trigger action.
I put only the trigger in my gun (not the springs), and the takeup is definitely shorter (feels like maybe 1cm of total takeup now), and the reset seems a lot shorter and even more positive as well.
I already have another 365 which had a lot of trigger work done to it (which feels great, but still has a lot of takeup), and this makes me want to put one of these short stroke triggers in that one too.
Thats cool that yours works. Mine does not 😢
This was MUCH harder than the video makes it out to be. Some of the geometries of the trigger are off on mine, it doesn't look like the one in this video. I eventually figured out a way to put it back together but it took a lot of time.
Not specific enough to be helpful, would have been nice if you had taken pictures and made a post on reddit or one of the forums.
This is one of the easier trigger installs...took me and my Smith's 15min he trigger and we did 20 yesterday
I love my sig except for the stippling and the trigger. Once I get my grip re-stippled I'm definitely getting this upgrade.
Get the new Wilson Combat grip module. It's way way better than the OEM module.
@@Beltfedshooters mine is coming in soon, super pumped for the WC grip module. This gun with that grip, zev tech extended mag release, and the mcarbo upgrades is such a great shooter
Wow! This video actually made me appreciate my Glocks way more! All this for an extra two rounds over a Shield 15rnd mag? Meh.
If I had a 365 I would definitely invest in this trigger. Bought Mcarbo parts in the past and they are top notch. And I've upgraded Walther's, FN's, and CZ's and I can tell you those triggers were significantly higher in price.
Literally just found the spring kit I’d rather use that with the mim trigger
First time hand gun owner here. I purchased this trigger and spring kit for my P365XL. Since I had very little knowledge of how to install this properly, I took it to a certified gun smith that has been in the business for many years and is very reputable. I took the gun home and dry fired it to get used to this trigger. It worked exactly how he said it would in the video, except it failed on me about 10 trigger pulls in. Now the trigger just hits the wall and doesn’t break. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! PS- the gun smith told me he is a very big fan of the quality products you sell
Back out the over travel set screw, also make sure to use blue loctite on the screw.
@@tampabayspearfishing5297 appreciate the feedback, I will hit up the gun smith tomorrow. What an amazing product, this trigger really is going to take this ccw to the next level.
How did it work out?
Having this issue was running the mcarbo trigger hit the range after install trigger went after 5 rounds and sounds exactly how u described now it just is springy with no fire or reset
Do I just need back out the adjustment screw also the slide will not come off now
Trigger should start further back to allow more room for fingers/gloves. It can be done and it improves the trigger a ton
Took my wife to the gun range. Rented the Sigg 365 380 ACP and the Glock 42. Shot Federal 380 ACP ammo. On the Sigg every 5 round it won’t fire or feed properly 😢. I was thinking that it was pretty dirty due to it was a rental gun. The Glock 42 in 380 with its 6 rounds worked flawlessly using the federal ammo. She likes the sig because of its ten rounds vs the Glock with its 6. The range guy Broke them both down and both were extremely nasty look like mud in both guns. He did spray them out to clean them up not my standards but he cleaned them. The Sigg still hung up around the seventh to the 10th round after cleaning Glock still perform well. So if she decide to purchase the Sigg. What issues to look for? I know all guns have issues
I thought Walther was going to take the lead in pistol technology after the amazing P99/PPQ series, but Sig stepped up to the plate and left Walther in the dust.
A little update. Trigger and spring kit installed! Next up, striker assembly. Didn't mar up the plastic piece in the striker assembly too bad. Was pretty difficult removing while trying to be gentle. I'm not pulling the striker assembly out again unless it's to install the M-Carbo titanium striker kit. Sheesh
Took apart the striker assembly, was a PITA, makes me wish it was as easy as a Glock 🤣
the orientation of the safety lever pin upon reassembly was not clear to me and I ended up locking my gun up for a few minutes upon putting the gun back together.
fortunately I was able to get it apart and found that it needed to be rotated 180 degrees, which solved the issue.
however once the slide was back on the gun as intended, the trigger wouldn't go off.
So I backed out the trigger screw a couple small turns, and it's working perfectly now.
If the trigger break was at 90 degrees or if it angled forward like the $40 trigger I’d definitely buy
20:35
32:00 fcu start disassembly
54:00 take down lever install
51:40 trigger assembly
It is clear this little adventure is a bit beyond me but I would offer a suggestion as to the actual instruction part of your video, which begins at 29:00 minutes. One, pull three individuals who are not military armorers, nor gunsmiths, full time or part time but can take some things apart and put them back together. Give them a 365XL, latest version, a large enough computer screen, cloth surface, the tools you recommend and see if they can remove the old trigger and install the new one. Answer no questions but makes notes of their comments, both pro and con of the project. If they can do it with no help other than your video, great. If not, how do you improve so that they can? The idea here is to make it so that the average firearm owner can do this project. If that is impossible, say that up front. My DOR is 15 Jan 71, Infantry OCS with an MOS of 1542, which is no longer used I believe. I have installed new triggers in AR-15 and some other modifications but just could not follow this one....I wonder if a dedicated camera person with skill to do the photography might help. I specify the latest version vs the older version Sig to explain the differences......have a great day.
They offer installation services for a good rate!
@mcarbo, so is there a solution to the safety lever not sitting flush after trigger install ? If anyone else has any input, that would be great too. Notice in the video when he put the slide back on, he put it on then the safety lever caught it. He tried for about 1 seconds, then the video is cut and edited, and the slide is past that safety lever. I would like to see the unedited version showing this known issue, and how you ended up getting the slide back on past that safety lever that isn't flush after the trigger install.
Do you guys mind putting a list of recommended tools I'll need to get started before I go through the steps in the video?
“Couldn’t be any better” that trigger pull was so long and crunchy. We need a fix for the long mush
Nice Keyence
hi chris, any way to get rid of the slop and slack before the break. i want it to set at six and ready to go. the initial slop i can adjust to, but when i think i am at the wall and there is still more slack it is throwing me off.
i have compared the 3 main aftermarket triggers and mcarbo for feel and reset is #1 for crisp..
i dont want to mess with the set screw and back it out, the idea of messing with the fcu is a bit much for me.
someone had suggested a longer set screw. would that help take out the slop and slack and set it dead at 6?
good product i just want this to set like my freedomsmith sport on my canik
also your products saved the keltec pmr 30 from going to the shat pile
thanks for the engineering
For anyone who cares; my P365XL with the MCARBO trigger and stock springs reads approximately 4.3lbs from a 10 pull average on my Wheeler. Side to side comparison with a stock XL showed clear reduction in travel and a more tactile reset. Definately a worthwhile upgrade.
My p365xl is reading 3lb - 3.5lb pull
@@fullfire0 With stock springs? I really am not sure why people post information without the details that matter. I can't take your data point into consideration because you're missing specific details. Please edit your comment to include: round count, whether the springs are stock, and how many pulls you did to get an average.
Thank you for posting this, I have no interest in swapping springs on a carry piece but the stock curved trigger was starting to drive me a little nuts today.
That reset takes just as long as stock, now I'm assuming this is because it's not adjusted at all. But this is the problem with EVERY video on this trigger, nobody shows it adjusted and everyone just shows the stock reset and the fact this thing breaks past 90.
Grayguns, and Tactical triggers both have really compelling offerings because they solve the problem of the P365 having a long reset which slows it down when compared to offerings from Walther or CZ.
37:30 pro tip. Trigfer spring flies about 12 feet.
Why didn't you mention the safety being proud after the trigger installation? It seems you cut away in your video at 105:50 when your slide stopped at the safety and resumed the video after it was replaced. What does MCrorbo mean again? I'm a veteran also.
Great step by step but holy crap there’s a lot of parts that come off just to replace the trigger.
Love my 365XL. I've bought the CNC trigger and will be installing it soon. As far as things for M*Carbo to work on... is there anything you can do with the cartoonish sound the striker makes when dry firing? Instead of a solid 'click' it makes a muted 'boing' sound - sorta like Elmer chasing Daffy and stepping on a rake and the sound the handle makes smacking him in the face... I'm guessing the striker spring is resonating in it's channel after the striker fires. A nit-pick to be sure but it makes the gun seem a bit like like a toy... Does the spring kit reduce this or just change the pitch? Thanks
This!!!
I was sent a faulty product (my gunsmith can't even install the trigger owing to a misaligned firing pin) and MCARBO hasn't replied to multiple voicemails or e-mails. Company is radio silent. Buyers beware!
37:45 I'm left handed and literally removed that spring with zero issues in about 5 seconds by holding it in my right hand
Even though I love the feel of this trigger after going to the range and firing 200 rounds on any given day the trigger pinch I get from this particular trigger leaves a nasty blister on my finger pad. I wish it was slightly curved and broke at 90 degrees even, then it would be perfect.
Nice !
Please make more to-the-point videos. This vid is long AF. The trigger is awesome tho.
P365XL, no manual safety in case specifics are need... but, in general, when replacing a stock trigger with this replacement, are there safety concerns? Ie, is the firearm still drop safe?
Bless y’all
idgaf about the price i give a damn about reliability! save one for me till this friday 😂 gotta wait till payday haha!
We got plenty 😏
Would love a 1911 style thumb safety for the 365
They make them with manual safeties
I have the manual safety model and I love it. Get the tac pac with 3 12rd mags and then just get a 10 round one for carry
@@fullfire0 I think Curtis meant a "1911 styled" version of the 365 safety.
Something with a bit more of a ledge/appearance to it (like the 1911's)