"Tattoo Diploma-cy" ft. Tim Hendricks - Ep 030 - BOOKS CLOSED Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Let's talk about apprenticeships with Tim Hendricks. We respond to an article about a tattooer from Dallas, TX who is developing a program to teach arts high school students about tattooing as a part of their school curriculum.
Then we hear from Olivia Britz-Wheat, a tattooer from Portland, OR, and a part of the organization, "Reform Oregon Tattooing," about what a real-world example of structured tattoo school looks like.
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If you’re meant to tattoo the way is more clear than you think....that sums it all up.
Books closed has been everything for me as a new tattooer, so much respect so much passion and so much intelligence, have been watching these videos and listening on Spotify for well over a year and a half. And now I’m working for my dream artist and living a dream. It a hard and broke all the time dream as a new tattooer. But o fucking love it. Thank dudes!
Amazing! Good luck with the tats! 🙏
When I was an apprentice, my mentor told me over and over - Look up Tim Hendricks and listen to him. He was right.
Tim Hendricks 25+ years experience. A lot of opinions on how to teach tattooers the right way. Exactly the guy you’d want to be leading new artists through the learning process. Only 2 Apprentices? In 25+ years?
I wouldnt want thos mysoginist and shallow perso. Teaching me anything!
Hands down my favorite episode yet, I'm not in the tattoo world outside of being interested in the art and getting work done but I think hearing people talk about how strong their love for this trade is is really what attracts me to it, knowing that someone's entire heart and soul and usually body was poured into making this their lifestyle
I love how Tim emphasized the “be needed” part of looking for an apprenticeship. Every time I get asked if I will teach someone, i ask myself “how much has this person invested in me or my shop?” If they’re not willing to invest in me, why would I invest in them? And I don’t want money to teach someone. I want someone who loves tattooing, loves art, and isn’t afraid of hard work.
Where’s your shop?
I will polish the flooor my guy lol
This was an AWESOME episode! Tim Hendricks is one of my favorite tattoo artist out there, so definitely glad it was starting with an origin story for him, and just straight into the subject.
everything Tim has said is so true ….. I had 2 jobs 1 my real job from 6am till 2pm then I will go to the shop for my apprenticeship from 3pm till 10pm 6 day a week and I did all of that as a father of 4 and a husband for my lovely wife for almost 2 years that’s how much I love tattooing. Tattooing is my life I will do it for free if I don’t have to pay all of my bills and get my kids tr school……. So stop complaining and do you time as a apprentice.
I don’t even need the other side of this argument because we all know what it is, I agree with Tim. What’s the point? Tattooing will always be the Wild West, it just is. Not understanding tattooing, bypassing apprenticeships is a mistake. Tattooing is about community, about learning from friends and peers, saying “f this” and going backwards thinking your moving in your own way shows how lost you are. It’s this way for a reason, there’s so much to learn. Teachers are giving a gift that will alter the course of a apprentices life forever. Should be kept sacred. Of course there will be outliers who crush it but they’re rare.
True service, isnt promoted- Tim Hendricks
Love these two !
I am a big fan of Andrew Storz and also Russ Abott. I agree on the opinion voiced on this episode. However I would love to see a similar episode on how Tattoo Smart affected the industry. Especially considering the value of flash.
The only thing I disagree with from what Tim said about a person wanting an apprenticeship is that they should just come in and ask to sweep the floors and just hope maybe eventually they get a chance at a job they want. Not everyone who wants to be a tattooer is a child who lives at home and has all the time in the world. I agree they should be going through a true apprenticeship but not come in and preemptively and purposely wasting their time so you feel powerful. I know it’s about proving that you appreciate the craft but imagine following an electrician around from job to job just asking to sweep up while internally hoping he’ll ask if you’re interested in a future in electrical. That concept is insane outside of tattooing.
N way outdated, but people hate change n thats why we wait for hours at a dmv still 😅😅
Awesome stuff Andro bo bandro! Tims headphone chord drove me crazy lmao.
Thank the tattoo gods they didn’t respond, I could listen to Tim all day.
Tim's point around 49:00 - fuckin right on man. Everyone just wants to be a rockstar with a cool Instagram feed, but tattooing is soooo much more than that.
Meanwhile, Oregon and Washington have mandated you go through a licensed tattooing career school, where you will go through 360 hours of training and complete 50 tattoos while supervised by a professional. Funny enough, this is very similar to the Electrical union on a national level, where you now have to complete 700 hours of classroom training to begin your 8,000 hours on the job in order to become a journeyman. One could debate the time spent training on one job vs the other, but one has a much higher mortality rate than the other.
Tsttooing is still in the dark and should be officiated and brought into the light by making official tattoo schools and colleagues like for anything else. Which will of course include a lot of apprenticeship! Them going against the idea is stupid. It d actually help tsttoo artists themselves on so many levels! And to the art and us tsttoo enthusiast. It d be one step to showing finally tattooing is not bad, us who have tattoos are not bad people, and that tattooing is art as any other even more serious because you do not put oil on canvass but you do the art on skin which is a difficult medium!
It’s baffling to me when I constantly hear tattooers complaining about how hard it is to make a living tattooing, and then to also complain about an influx of young artists wanting to learn the craft, potentially under your guidance and ultimately your control, it’s shocking.
They’re literally a business opportunity walking through your front door.
They will just open their own shop.
I'm confused, why is it assumed the education they will receive is wrong if she has 25 years experience. And most trades require school then to do an apprenticeship. Why not make them have to do a one year apprenticeship after their education
Thanks Andrew for getting Tim in. Great content once again.
Thank you, as always, for watching!
Tim thanks for this. Your the man
Awesome talk thanks for this
Sorry for asking but I must have missed it, but I don't understand why her interview couldn't be played as long as it was no names, etc.
The school in question seems to be pretty powerful and their lawyers probably put a stop to any interviews from faculty or staff about the course.
How does this have only 158 likes??? Thank you Tim.
There’s a guy in my town who’s been in business for decades who owns a bunch of shops and has zero problem hiring tattoo school kids
Ben Falcon there’s no substitute for integrity
That one thumbs down is from a tattoo school intern. There is a reason Tim Hendricks is the patron saint of tattooing. Tattooing is the only religion I follow. Thanks for all these rad interviews.
#50blanketstoday
I was waiting for that 😂
Lol
He said it 2seconds after I read it
As always, enjoying whTching these videos. We all know why they don’t want her to be on the interview, it’s dangerous for her. I agree with tim, but some of these tattoo artists are animals when it comes to outsiders. Which sucks because now it’ll just make those people double down.
TheDave4584 the opposition doubling down is dangerous, as in politics. Need a better way to educate the public or kids in art schools etc.
Absolutely it’s a double edged sword. You’ve got people on both sides acting ridiculous. Even with an apprenticeship that I had to beg for, was turned down until he agreed. That’s who will teach the new kids and they don’t wanna make it easier because of what they went through.
That thos girl needs to be afraid flr her life because she s got a new idea? You should be, ashamed tattoo industry! You all should be!
Can I get some magic mix in a 4-oz bottle bro please
What's good Tattooed Edward Norton?
Sounds like she just wants to make her money and dip. I agree with Tim , you should only tattoo if you love it and if you love it you’ll find your way to it!
Great interview! Referring to 48:00m. Don’t you think American Traditional shop is a form of a “one trick pony”? We don’t ever dare to speak bad about that. No disrespect intended. Just playing devils advocate here.
It can be, as much as any shop that focuses on a single style.
You know rhis episode was not at all for hosting one guest who is impartial! You shod have someone who is supporting her idea to hear another side...
Agreed 💯
Stephanie is her name just reverse the audio in snapchat 😅
You call something someone learned SHIT? WOW so humble of you who want humble people... Tsk!
1:01:40 with all do respect that’s a faulty premise that is majorly up for debate as well a statement way above any tattooers pay grade. It’s largely a myth and requires an incredible amount of specificity. You have to look at how those studies are conducted. I acknowledge that it’s a well intentioned opinion but it’s completely flawed and dreadfully broad. But is it the same exact hours with the same amount of experience? That is the question. In those studies the women didn’t work the same hours. The data is ignored for the sake of ideology
Oh man, who cares, tattooing is at last learning how to use the bathroom, Hallelujah! I imagine barbers of the seventh century getting nervous about a young lady barber trying to professionalize the trade. "How dare you" they exclaimed. Soon in theaters. This girl was treated like shit on a tattoo shop I assume, so she doesn't want kids to be abused by some bitter ink landlord. Astor Piazzolla used to get beatings and dead threats because he was just coming at it from a different angle that the entire industry disagreed with. It's just the beginning, there are tattoo robots already for f*ck sake. Go protest against that. Tim is right, tattooing is hell, so who cares.
How are you gonna start a tattoo school for high schoolers then not be able to back up your position through an interview? You can’t make such a statement then not back up your position.
To her credit, she did the interview. There were more layers that got in the way of releasing it, unfortunately. Thanks for watching!
@@andrewstortz any way to get an opinion on the other side to get an overall unbiased viewpoint?
The whole tattoo school sounds like she is in it for the money.....what a huge let down for the students!!! Sadly these students will realize they have wasted there time.....so many people try to find short cuts into what they want to do....taking short cuts is not a sign of "passion" !! You put in the time and the miles it will pay off .....
Curious though, who said school and education is a "shortcut"? Takes 4 years to get a bachelor's degree 🤷♀️
Often times traditional apprenticeships are more expensive and/or WORSE than these schools or alternative forms of learning the craft. Just my two cents.
This dude is a bundle of contradiction.
I’m a younger tattoo artist myself, and I very much support the more traditional way of learning over a “tattoo school” put in your work man people these days are lazy is what it is! In my opinion I think that’s a point was missed on here. I’m my personal opinion it all comes down to just putting in the work, and if you don’t want to you’re not cut out for it. Plain and simple. Same with any other trade. Do we need to start doing this with every business. I personally love everything about tattoos, getting tattooed and learning about proper tattooing, but I grew up in a tattoo shop. My parents are heavily tattooed so naturally that’s exactly where I ended up being in the shop my whole childhood. My generation needs to stop being a bunch of lazy entitled assholes.
Yeahhhh "dude" that is what schools and education is. To offer you the knowledge and experience you need. Imagine if that idol of yours (and mine) Ed Hardy had the opportunity to teach all of you about tattooing in schools. First of all if such school existed you wouldnt have had wandered back then how to learn about tattooing and you wouldnt be swooning over the knowledge you v FINALLY gained until he wrote the book... You v talking about all the point to support the tattoo education system yet you are against it. Tsk.
Hhmmm I agree with you, but I disagree on how an apprenticeship is handled in the tattoo world. There’s a lot of bullying and taking advantage of ppl. Tattooing is an art, not a trade.
Also tattoo artists are not “dumb” maybe the traditional tattoo artists, but the current artists are in it for the passion.
You sound a bit bitter so it makes it hard to fully agree with you. But you do give really good advice for future tattoo artists who are truly passionate.
It’s going to be 2020 and this idea of treating an apprentice as a “peasant” should change.
man this Tim Hicks guy just doesn't understand that high school kids should be able to see about possible career paths. like, it's not as if this "Tattoo school" in question in this episode is even a tattoo school, it's an elective in a specialty arts high school. making clay pots is a craft and trade, i mean, you're literally making tactile objects people use in their daily life. sure, you can make cool sculptures out of clay, but the career path is making bowls and cups. tattooing is way more of an art than a craft in terms of providing an entirely non-essential and useless product aside of enhancing the appearance of the customer.
If I’m being honest if I were to learn to tattoo or the path of tattooing while In high school I would have no where near the love or respect for it as I do now. Feel free to disagree but I don’t think school is a place for tattooing, it’s a lifestyle and something that isn’t taught so much as experienced
@@thatguyfromwalmartyeah3374 i totally get what you mean, but i think it's a bad assumption that kids taking this course in HS couldn't have love or respect for tattooing. as a high schooler, is there really anything you can love and respect in a way that acknowledges the tradition?
Thats Tim Hendricks dude,that man blasted a Panther on my neck and knows the pirate ways of the tattooer/tattooist/skinbloster/inkslinger/placasoplacer
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In my unprofessional opinion from an outside perspective, this guy's attitude is exactly what is wrong with the tattoo industry. Its such a clicky industry that's called a "lifestyle". There's such a lack in professionalism in tattooing attitudes like this dude. Your not going to lose all your clients, too many people treat it like a hustle and it is an art form first. I wish the actual artist would stand together more to get rid of this toxic shit...
The same guy thats complaining about tattooing being a hard life obviously doesn't want it to be easier for the future