Interstellar Colonization Strategies
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- As we seek to travel vast distances to claim the galaxy, we will need to develop strategies and methods for voyaging through deep space and reaching strange new worlds.
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Interstellar Colonization Strategies
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 376, January 5, 2023
Written, Produced & Narrated by Isaac Arthur
Editors:
Donagh Broderick
Evan Schultheis
Graphics by:
Jeremy Jozwik
Ken York
Music Courtesy of Epidemic Sound epidemicsound.com/creator
Markus Junnikkala, "We Roam the Stars", "A Memory of Earth"
Stellardrone, "Red Giant", "Ultra Deep Field" - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Arthur's Law: if it exists, we can colonise it. If it doesn't exist, we can still imagine how we would colonise it if it did.
Anything you can think about can happen, maybe not today or tomorrow but it might actually happen because in another univers it did.
I like this law.
Make it and then colonise it 😂
British in a nutshell
@@whoareyouyouareclearlylost323 now a billion people living inside the event horizon in a black hole happen bc you think there isn't something that didn't happen.... sooo the Greek gods exists in some universe? Magic too? Good lord, what someone has to read in internet, people taking infinite to the extreme and beyond
Fatalism is compliance.
Optimism is rebellion.
Resist entropy - Dare to hope.
"Why I Haven't Written A Science Fiction Bestseller" by Isaac Arthur... Definitely gonna be a bestseller!
When the Santa Claus machine is online, we can't let Isaac near it. He has way too many ideas for interstellar canister shot.
😂👍
Canister In Space, hmm? Which Rule of Warfare covers that one? The 1st, right?
I've been watching for a few years now and I find it amazing how you can come up with interesting topics every week!
It's because he has chosen such a large subject for discussion: tomorrow and overmorrow.
I get impressed how Isaac comes up with a new wording for Fermi paradox every time.
It's an ongoing thought experiment, it's an amalgamation of what if and how could. Issac is a modern day exophilosopher
He's also several months ahead of us.
TY SFIA. I always remind myself that on Earth, we are already interstellar travelers. We just have to wait for our sun and another to cross paths.
Colonization may take much longer this way but requires much less engineering and energy to achieve (no new science or engineering is needed). A fleet of generation ships with fusion or antimatter or infinite improbability drives would be far less efficient and arguably just as time consuming as just waiting for the star to come to us.
@@djschultz1970 We can make this even faster if we build a stellar engine and turn the entire solar system into our spaceship
one of the most interesting interstellar spaceship designs in scifi surprisingly comes from james camerons avatar, with light sails, debris sheilds and massive thermal radiators for the antimatter engines used for deceleration after the 7 year trip to alpha centuri, the ISV venture star may just be one of the best thought out interstellar ships in popular science fiction
You should watch a show called the expanse
Shame about how they used it as an atmospheric dropship in Avatar 2
(Not just a shame for the Navi - but for scientific realism)
@sulljoh1 that scene made no sense it was just there to have a generic "humans destroy nature" scene as the engines torch the forest. However, as a fan of the humans in that series, I was cheering at how cool that scene was, even if physics left the chat!
@@cliftonsutherland1406 I think you're 100% right, but don't cheer for the "humans" in Avatar. They're cartoonishly evil
@@kristinehansen. None of the ships in the expanse take to the same level.
Was it my imagination or did hear WH40k planet names. Also I can’t be the only person waiting on Issac to write scientifically accurate sci-fi novel. All he needs is a plot he has all the technical data needed for a great novel setting.
Was once an optimist about these kind of thing. Now seeing so much chaos and divides all over civilization that it appears we will not be able to get together enough to accomplish this kind of endeavor.
Awesome artwork as always ❤
Thank you so much 😀
Time dilation is allowing me to tell you this video is perfect a minute after it was posted.
My psychic skills just did the same thing! Breakthrough!!
I like this video, now to start listening to it.
time dilation is not real
@@NeroDefogger probably hyperspeed weed
Lol 👍
I love your accent. It somehow perfectly works with these videos in such a weird and roundabout way, it's great.
I just want to say Issac, that your speech is NOT difficult for most of us to understand. I look forward to a bright Season 9!
When it comes to the topic of space. I consider the voice of authority. Thanks.
Yes! 4 minutes and I see it! My personal record.
Howdy science futuristic family. This is very informative. Never miss an episode. Started from the beginning all caught up.
Fast means big... This reminds me of something I heard recently:
The Enzmann Starship has been proposed at times of Apollo program. It was intended as the realistically first real interstellar starship, basically Super Orion on steroids: A big frozen ball of Deuterium in front, set of nuclear blast engines behind, each throwing 1.5 kt fusion bomb behind. 24-engine ship was supposed to be way faster than 8-engine one with lot of redundancies and ships were intended to travel as part of a fleet.
That would have been one hell of a sight to see.
My friends are discussing whether or not fusion will happen and I'm just over here waiting for my plot of land on a blackhole powered O'Neil cylinders.
"Every colony can be thought of as being abandoned from the outset" That puts a whole different feel on it, don't it?
That means when a colony leaves........they should already plan on being on their own. 🤔
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Exactly. And if the hope of the colonist is to find that perfect planet that can be quickly terraformed or even inhabited without assistance, they already failed. They should be ready and capable to colonize any and every type of system and planet type.
@@mill2712 If they arrive at a system with Hot Jupiters and Venus analogues.... Guess it's time to build space habitats
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Yep. And since that system probably has asteroids, comets, moons, dwarf planets, and an Oort cloud, there should be enough resources to keep everyone alive for a while and make that place home or at the very least, gather resources to build up and move on.
I think the only systems you'd want to avoid are neutron star systems and their variants. Especially magnatars.
Arthur's law: if it exists, we can colonize it. If it doesn't exist we can build it, and colonize it.
Omfg this is perfect to tide over my excitement for Kerbal Space Program 2. XD thank you as always Isaac!
I came to this channel for the nuts and bolts of colonizing space
Vacuum-rated duct tape, aisle 2. Martian first-aid kits, aisle 5. Vast fleets of assorted non-colonizing & non-hostile predatorily-benevolent aliens, aisle 9.
You only need one isle with the Santa Clause machine.
@@stefanr8232 Santa is an actual anomaly, so yep.
@@vapormissile in order of most useful 🤣
Damn today's ending music was epic.
Happy new year Isaac, probably one the best knowledge bases for me online.
You always bring up stuff I either forgot or never thought about
Very conscientious
Intergalactic space isn't empty, it has stars all the way there, they are just further and further apart, reaching densities low enough that they are perhaps 10,000 ly between stars, but they are there.
13:00 This is so freaking accurate, the differences in agile teams per environment, per project, per resources, per personality of team leaders and relationship style of team members could influence/breed the most exotic type of cultures! That's not even mentioning the differences in companies and industries!
..my head hurts
Cultures that are so different from each other that war is guaranteed.
Your videos addressing the issues of tomorrow and overmorrow* continue to delight me.
*I recently learned that there is an actual word for "the day after tomorrow", and I intend to revive its use.
In dutch the word overmorgen is still used a lot. Foe us the day after tomorow is just a movie.
If there is TOmorrow, why isn't there FROMorrow ?
Overmorrow. Love it.
@@gijskramer1702 Swedish too. Övermorgon. It would appear English is losing some important words. Feel free to take them back. Or borrow someone else's. Good words are meant to be used. On that note, Isaac's intro could as well say "get a fika", at least if you were watching with friends. Google it, it's a fantastic word, and one I absolutely implore everyone to steal it from us.
interesting. overmorrow literally translates to the correct word in german, "übermorgen".
Yes! A new SFIA episode!
This may come off as insulting but I mean it 100% as a compliment-your videos are literally how I fall asleep. I find the topics so fascinating and I have no idea how you pump out so many insanely high quality videos by the way but your voice is so relaxing and slow enough that I put your videos on whenever i need to sleep and I’m out in literally three minutes you’re literally magic I thank your for your service you make my life better 😂
I've started watching your shows since around 2017 and I found great joy and many interesting ideas. Keep up the wonderful work
love your work issac. gives me dozens of hours of content to ponder on.
Your videos help me out alot with my sci fi dungeon and dragons ideas💡 💯💪🏽
This is paradigm-shifting material. A book I read on the subject was an awakening. "Galaxies United" by Olivia Whitestone
The IA Algorithm 1st rule of Warfare are also a pillar of the channel.
And the Channel’s missiles.
Ultimately the most feasible strategies for interstellar colonisation are A) the gradualist approach: Colonise the Oort Cloud first, then just keep going until you've colonised the next star's Oort Cloud. Obviously this doesn't benefit people living in the inner system much, but interstellar colonisation is so slow it's not so much _colonisation_ as a migration, and was never going help the inner-systemers anyway; and B) the wholesale strategy: embrace the migration and move one's entire civilisation to another star, either by abandoning one's star all at once, or by just moving the star itself closer using Nicoll-Dyson Beam (this also works for gas giant planets for a much faster solution on a smaller scale).
I'm generally of the opinion that interstellar colonisation is a purely far-distant future thing. There's just no reason to go somewhere literally hundreds of thousands of times further than even the most distant reaches of the Solar System when the Solar System itself is so vast and readily colonisable unless every last asteroid and comet out to several light years have already been colonised.
The port cloud is a theory which attempts to explain where " young " comets come from
There is no reason to think it even exist
To hibernate people you may:
1. Induce sleep with medication
2. Slow metabolism with meditation
3. Soak cells with sugar and slowly freeze. That way crystals don't form. Frogs survive the process on their own and revive that way in the spring without any external help.
Maybe in earlier episodes i noticed a slight speech impediment but to be honest last few years you speak better than most people i know. I look forward to another 9 years from you mate.
You can go faster by brute forcing the fuel. It might take 10,000 times the fuel to go twice as fast but 10,000 times the resources might become available.
There's an absolute limit, though, because you have to convert more and more of the ship to propellant.
@😈ORGODIAN RULER😈 Not exactly. For the same propulsion tech (same exhaust velocity), the ratio of the masses start / finish is squared, so the finish speed is twice as high. Rocket equation.
I'm here for a drink, snack and the most exquisite content.
Yet another informative and insightful video Isaac.
Magnificent video, I hope one day someone creates a Sci-Fi fantasy story in which mythical species/legendary creatures colonise the solar system and other planetary systems in an interstellar colonisation campaign (rather than by humans) perhaps, if not certainly with Speculative Evolution (aka Speculative biology) being employed or used in this story.
Thanks for another thought-provoking video. Thinking of colonization, the 1st craft could be a robotic probe. The robotic craft could be sent at a high speed as it could take higher acceleration and deceleration maybe even using aerobraking, gravity braking or other methods. The robotic probe would be smaller and possibly cheaper than a massive colony craft. Once the robotic craft arrived it/they would arrive and then construct the electromagnetic or laser accelerator/decelerate. The human colonization craft would then be sent a high speed.
Thanks for making these awesome videos!
I love the Gardener ship concept
Even they never become reality - it's a great concept for sci-fi
Posted 42 minutes ago? 42 - it's a sign, destined to watch tonight!
Season 9 let's gooooo 🎊 Happy New Year Isaac
Another great one. You make 35 minutes feel like 15. I don't know what dark arts you practice to do so, but I'm glad you're using them for good, not evil.
I watched the channel for over a year. I must say Isaac Arthur has a perfect documentary voice. Brain food and relaxation in 1 package ^_^
Happy New Year!
I enjoyed the back/flavour story from the Macross series. After the war, colonization was both seen as a way to preserve the species, but also lower the strain on the very damaged Earth. A mass exodus happens, with huge numbers of people reaching out for new homes. The mass exodus part in particular I could easily see happening in “real life” as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was something like a 20% drop in world population very quickly if there was the chance to set out on a large scale.
The Macross colony ships themselves are vast in scale, with “smaller” trailer ships in tow with specific purposes, like long haul trucks on the highway. There’s also a swarm of smaller ships in formation for factory work, defence, resource gathering, scouting, etc.
These grand fleets are independent and self sustaining, are sent out from points of previous colonization, in all directions, but also keep a relative parallel course in groups to transport people, technology, and information back and forth. The map of travel kind of looks like a humongous spider plant.
They do have FTL jump drive technology in this series, as well as many other sci-fi perks like artificial gravity, so it’s not exactly grounded in realism. The Macross Frontier herself would be a utopia living aboard her by the look of it.
Awesome artwork as always ❤🎉
Thanks again friend!
Loved: "its still a good strategy to learn to get along with your niegbors"
Great episode. Good to see the visuals sometimes as usually watch on Spotify
This is a video I've been waiting for :p
Add a bootstrap Law concerning previously sent out slower than light ships, to outfit them with recent updates of drive technology. Pioneering spirits should never be wasted or changed psychologically to suit your needs.
Every space colony will need an expansive maternity hospital.
Whew, here I was, worrying about space pirates on my ark ship, and you just throw a logic wrench in it.
I love your "peculiar speech impediment and accent", it's relaxing as shit and very easy to understand.
My favourite concept of interstellar colonization solves the confusion of the War of the Worlds aliens being so dumb. If it turns out we're incredibly late to the game of life, and a species has already has basically infinite energy and has noticed the lack of similar level civilisations, then they may decide to send fleets to EVERY possible habitable planet in an entire galaxy, or as far as they can reach, perhaps from another galaxy.
If the chances of military loss or biological destruction like as seen in the movie are low, and the costs are relatively minimal, then swarming out with a full invasion force to every habitable system is the best possible strategy. If you lose 1 out of 10 planets, you still have 9 out of 10 planets -- and when those who won against you are ready to expand, you're going to have them surrounded, out resourced, and have had time to solve the weaknesses that caused their loss. The far far future, your species controls the entire galaxy with no competition. It's capitalism, and invasions of worlds like Earth are acceptable losses. This species plans millions of years into the future, so to bury machines centuries/millennia ahead of the invasion would be inconsequential. To lose a fight for the fate of a world with no retreat under strict quarantine would only mean some time having fun crushing ants for your soldiers. They may not have even been at full strength, if you can cross a galaxy you can afford to send a fleet with substandard weapons if they're still good enough to take the planet most of the time. It'd be very easy to kill off a planet from orbit for them, and if the fleet failed, no loss, microwave the planet enough for all mammalian heads to explode and come back when things cool off.
A slightly more terrifying explanation is if all that's true, a billion alien ships crossing from Andromeda to take a thousand worlds over a million years - but their risks of loss are much, much higher, yet they still think it's worth it. It's worth it, because they're desperate. Because they're not conquerors. They're running. Running from an interstellar war they're losing. They're a military force, regrouping, with the knowledge they'll need to control every world they can to survive what's coming.
You inspire me Arthur on a personal level. I’ve been a huge fan for years. Thank you for the content
He does not require your support. He is doing his thing
@@faizanrana2998 idk Isaac Arthur literally ALWAYS talks about active support
Interesting thing is that I literally understand everything even though I'm not from English speaking region but I tested and asked my friend today if he understand you and he said that he doesn't but he clearly needs from person to speak slowly and clearly to understand (his words) but he didn't understand anything but I understand you since my first listen long time ago and I enjoy in every single episode, just turn on and lie down in my bed before sleep!
He sounds so much more confident nowadays... anybody else picking this up
Xenoblade Chronicles X does something similar to the cloning and consciousness transfer via mimeosomes, in which they project the consciousness of their colonists into androids constructed in the likeness of said colonists.
Imagine a combination seed & gardener ship where the crew are all uploads or folks in cryo, or both. They spend their time in VR perhaps running a little slow to pass the time relatively quick, popping out from time to time for maintenance tasks, or whatever. When they get where they're going people wake up and start building, offloading, etc. When it comes time to repopulate the ship, people have their kids virtually and let them grow up in a frame jacked VR world if needed, only to get downloaded into a combination synthetic and biological body as required to continue along with the ship, or get ready for the next colony site. Would likely speed up their repopulation efforts!
As with most things in life: team strategies win long term.
Isaac you might have a speech impediment but it doesn't hurt the quality of the videos at all. You have the voice of a radio man.
Hi Isaac! have you looked the video, how to conquer/colonize the universe in three easy steps? it's a great watch!
I hope I get to see people living on other planets.
It would have happened by now but some people were so worried that third world countries beating poverty will compete with them so they sabotaged the needed technology!
Fission and fusion research.
They did not stop there , they lied that earths resources are finite and fought industrialization using clever lies like climate emergency and depopulate people and create poverty
To put it simply, you can leave earth tomorrow but some people are so small minded and then evil the don't want a single living creature outside their control,
Now that china is grown they realize that they will lose the next war if they withhold research so they are doing now what they sabotaged long ago but still their other lies remain standing
Together the two superpowers USA and ussr sat down and agreed that no other people should become powerful enough to challenge them, so they sabotaged their own space programs and glorious futures by slandering nuclear technology, as if risk of fire is legitimate enough as an excuse to eat raw meat!!
The USA and ussr could have colonised the solar system if they had so wished but doing so risked allowing other countries to see the glories of nuclear power which they didn't want to share and some countries like china , UK and france ignored them amd went ahead but alas they also didn't want others to join the club and focused only on military uses!
A major part of seeing people on other planets or even going there yourself is to see through the lies and fight them when given opportunity, like the people who forced usa to allow civilians to develop rockets leading to creation of spaceX
Your videos are not only educational, but also full of beautiful sci-fi art and design, which I love. Keep up the good work and have a great 2023!
Another great video by issac arthur and love listening to a video dealing with the bright future of humanity. Issac needs to collaborate with scyfy series.
You send your laser stations first. Use one laser station to push the next laser station to its destination so it can decelerate incomming shipz from midway.
If we are talking about the interstellar colonization policy for the humankind, first, find the other star system with the good planets by putting the space telescope. Second, put the drones in the surface of the planets and their moons. Mostly likely, we will use the generation spaceship if we are not achieving the fastest than lights engines. Plus, genetic engineering is one of the policy for interstellar colonization.
Oh to be a fly on the wall in the future. Great stuff 👍
I think we will become space nomads.
Taking what we need from the planets and moving on to newer planets.
Planets are probably not the best sources of resources/raw materials.
Planets are expansive traps.
Better mine asteroids for metals and comets for volatiles, then create space habitats.
If developed enough, then you might disassemble planets over the millennia. Can't go faster for heat loss reasons. Then do starlifting.
That process would take so long that we'd still effectively be colonists.
Great work
Thanks!
I always imagined we Humans living in Earth orbitals, moons bases in my time, yet they just stopped. We, All Human societies, are gearing up again to leap into space. I do expect to see an order of magnitude leap in technology, space mining, and orbital/moon construction. But that all takes a great deal of time, but I believe we can do it safely and be spread out quite a bit in ou own solar system by 2300. Excelsior!
By the time the solar system is populated enough (0.1% dysoned) that colonists are heading out it will be trivial to make a light highway to push them (its all done with mirrors)
Your accent is soothing to myself and I'm somewhat of an amateur rocket scientist myself so Godspeed snd god journey :)
When colonizing another planet, the best way is to adapt ourselves versus teraforming the planet. Combining our DNA with the terrestrial indigenous beings. It might be a multi generational adaption to get the best fit to our new environment. It is possible we might not fully reconize our ancestors as our own kind in the end result. Unlike a Battlestar Galactica type scenario where everyone looks and is exactly the same phylim and species.
We are even intergalactic travelers already. Only another billion years until we get to Andromeda. Good intergalactic real-estate I hear. With A LOT of drinks and snacks we will easily make the trip.
Thank you
Issac, I think it's just about that time to do an updated fusion episode, They were successful of generating a 50% net positive of energy using lasers and sometype of hydrogen pellet, I've been wondering what net positive they really pulled off when you consider the power to create the hydrogen pellet, They are going to make another prototype just on a much larger scale, Hopefully this is the jump we really need to make a workable fusion power plant to generate power to the grid, I can only imagine they will only get a larger net positive of electricity over some more time but it makes me excited that fusion energy for a lot of stuff is not to far off,
The fuel pellet put out 50% more energy than the laser light had that hit the pellet.
The lasers and their cooling systems used about 100x more energy than their laser light output, and converting the fusion energy output into usable electricity is not gonna be anywhere near 100% efficient.
It really wasn't the great leap forward that it's been hyped up to be.
Hey Isaac - do you have any videos of the technologies that is needed to transport humans ? Like details about the water, food, living space, etc.
Yes he does. Teleportation episode. and also Clarktech episode. maybe others.
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@@djschultz1970 thank you for the reply. The video you linked does not really talk about reusing the water and reusable food options. Also how the human waste will be dealt with and other day to stuff to deal with humans..
A Ai would be very useful. It could have access to all Data on earth prior to launch and you could have a natural conversion with them instead of typing commands
Hey issac have you ever considered doing a video on the Dark Forest theory and how it relates to the fermi paradox?
He has already done two episodes on that theory.
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@@Reaven501L oh, thanks. I'm gonna check them out.
:3 you don’t have anything to worry about with the speech stuff fam, been here since subtitles and you’re better at speaking than me 😂
What about common necessities, assume on Nuclear Disaster You would have something as this: sleeping bag, vessel, gas dispenser, lighter, mobile phones, WiFi connection, external batteries, hygiene products, towel paper, respirator, garbage bags, first aid kit, flask, water, canned foods, personal documents, cash, personal photos, flashlight.
* IF * we are early in the rise of galactic sentient life, it would be our duty to expand and seed the galaxy like Johnny Apple seed. Eventually the people on other worlds will evolve to be Aliens/different species from our own.
Yeah! Aforementioned host! All hail the algorithm!
As you talk about the immortal ship population issues, i was thinking the likely solution to that (which would make a great show) would be for people to take a sterilization drug, and if they choose to not take it and have children, they would be choosing to cease the immortality treatment and would love out their days with their children, then die. I'm envisioning an accidental class system evolving as a theme in the show.. the og immortal crew, and the population who's ancestors refused to take the sterilization so created a breeding population bloom which was no longer given the option of immortality, and strained all the resources to the breaking point.
If those thousand gardener ships split up every time they stop over and seed a system then they're a million after ten such passes and a billion after after twenty, having seeded about two billion systems
This describes the techno-signature we see at Tabby’s star and the others in that area. Irregular dust clouds as mass manufacturing occurs in their belts / dust used as reaction mass for sending ships to the next system
At current birth rates, even if we get perfect eternal life, it'll take about 8 trillion to 32 trillion years to fill the galaxy with a mere 10B people per star system. Assuming each system gets a Dyson Sphere, there'd be an Earth's surface area for every 20 people with so few people per system - but do you really want to take longer than that to fill the galaxy?
Isaac I would feel blessed if you wrote a sci-fi novel on any topic of your choosing
Scientist 1: "I want a super-efficient AI for this interstellar colony ship."
Scientist 2: "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave."
Scientist 1: "..."
Scientist 2: "COME ON!"
Good video.
Very intriguing, I want to believe human beings could one day accomplish this 👍❤️
watched this over on Nebula 'which still doesn't have a comment section :( '
was wondering how the mass and resources these various ship concepts compare to the current manufacturing capacity of the major players or even the entire world's mining launching and manufacturing capacity.
seems like the smallest version discussed might be buildable by either the USA, China, or the EU with a major commitment in only a few decades, while the largest would require a few centuries after increasing the solar systems total capacity by a couple orders of magnitude. i may be way off on my wild guess here just curious about the timeline and resource investment a fleet of gardener ships would take
You should talk to Peter Ziehan.
Have a great ninth season! :)))
If it was possible to travel faster than light, light would be doing it.