It's a shame that Toyota doesn't take advantage of its full potential in certain things like making Lexus more luxurious knowing that Toyota Century cars are very luxurious.
It's been over with Lexus since the 2021 Genesis GV80 came to market. Now the sales increase due to standalone dealerships come to place. It's all thanks to that, now Genesis is been taken seriously.
Are you hinting to the Consumer Reports data? Because Lexus absolutely smeared Penesis in reliability. Genesis has worse reliability than Jaguar. I have to admit Genesis cars make a nice doghouse for the backyard.
@@mrgurulittle7000 Mrslowbus7000, i told you, CR is toyota bought and your brain still can't grasp the fact that companies like toyota paid them. Man, you haven't taken your meds ever since i embarrassed you the last time. JD Power got genesis higher than lexus in reliability. Now go troll somewhere else with jealous and hate towards the korean brand. LMAO
@@mrgurulittle7000 in addition Genesis has 105 days of cars in lots, one of the worst around. Lexus is at 51 days one of the best. Maga guy js a kia boyz so ignore him lol
@@MikeForsythe Hi fake news mike, how long are you going to keep trolling along with your mentally unstable bud mrslowbus7000? You clowns are pathetic.
Lexus canceling the GS is one of the most disappointing moves ever. I love mine but I am beyond irked by their decision. I’m definitely look at Genesis very seriously now.
Wait a little...the Es will have a bigger replacement....the new Es will replace both Es and Ls..and be more a Gs... . Toyoda has ruined Lexus, gladly he has been removed to a position were he cann't do any harm.
@@avdp9095 well Toyota is still doomed anyway. Lexus too. They can’t compete anymore. They’re now putting out subpar products compared to any other brand
Don’t think of Genesis. Get an Acura, Infiniti, BMW, Audi, go on a holiday, but just don’t get the Genesis. They feel cheap and don’t last long. People only say crap about Lexus because they’re frustrated at how successful and huge Lexus sales are compared to Genesis.
I was apparently the first customer in the UK to take delivery of the Electrified G80, and having owned the car for some 17 months, I am pleased to say its the best car ive owned, and this comes after twenty years of various Jaguar's and seven yeays owning a Maserati Ghibli. Having looked at the video, unlike others who have commented, i think the revised cabin is a step forward bringing it in line with other newer Genesis models, as well as sorting out some ergonomic issues with the current model. The wood trim (and yes its real wood they use) looks as though its been repositioned and redesigned - the wood on the dash appears to now run above the dash vents, and on the centre console it looks tidier. Of course the big changes are the new screen and steering wheel, which just makes it look more up to date, and in line with current designs. Exterior changes seem minimal with just redisgned bumper mouldings. Here in the UK, the brand is relatively unknown, with the biggest seller being the GV60, this coupled with the quite brilliant exterior design, means my E G80 continues to attract no end of positive attention, with most thinking its some kind of Bentley, which given thats where the stylists at Genesis used to work is probably no surprise!
As someone who currently owns the Genesis GV80 and g70 I personally prefer the current value knob so much better it's way more easier to get to it's already by your fingers and the wood is just so much nicer in person after seeing this interior at the auto show I felt a little underwhelmed I feel like the current interior is still nicer it makes me not want to give up the Genesis I have now for the new one
Like with the GV80, I find the current 2023 G80 to look a lot better. This refresh I feel is a step backwards, both interior-wise and exterior-wise but I'm not surprised. This seems to be a trend with Hyundai/Kia products where the redesigns are very cutting edge and amazing and then all the subsequent refreshes look to tone it down a notch or cut costs in a creative way to save for the next following redesign.
Love the current G80, such elegant styling and that gorgeous interior, too. All it really needed was a re-shaped EV battery pack for better trunk capacity, and 300+ miles of range.
Current model got 280 miles @75mph in caranddrivers highway range test. In other words the real world combined eating is around 300 miles or so. Don't think it needs a larger battery although I wouldn't complain.
Apparently Genesis is reacting to market demands and is now developing a RWD 2.5 turbo hybrid powertrain for some next-generation models. Hyundai is using it too, reportedly.
That’s different, Hyundai’s 2.5 hev will be announced with palisade 2nd gen. And that powertrain is for FWD. As genesis is RWD, they need to built from bottom.
G90 is absolutely not better than the LS, it might have more tech………..but as far as overall refinement and build quality, the LS is still on top. Much props to Genesis overall though, they’re making some very nice cars………and getting better.
@trump3205 the audacity to call someone a fanboy and you named yourself after Trump, that’s dick riding at its finest! I guess you like the taste of salty things that dangle!
@trump3205 that’s your comeback? Lmao! Finish getting ready for school kid, and don’t forget your lunch…….and make sure your mommy packed those salty things you love so much.
As a Luxury dedicated vehicle, the LS is still the best Lexus you could get. It executes luxury better than any other vehicle in their lineup. Massaging front and rear seats (LX lacks). Power rear shades (LX lacks). A panoramic roof (LX lacks). 24” HUD, (LX has the old system). Available Lexus Teammate (LX Lacks). Step inside a LS equipped with the Executive package and compare the Kiriko glass or hand pleated origami to the LX’s interior. The LS Transmission was corrected in 2019. The LS ride/handling/Suspension/Quietness/Engines were improved in 2021. 2023 it received Lexus Interface. But go on about how “irrelevant” it is.
@@ALBA_809LS is still better than G90. For the LS being an older car, it’s way more refined and perfected than the G90. G90 is a more modern design, but execution was poor. It doesn’t ride or handle as well.
@@naveenthemachineA nice Toyota is better than a gold wrapped turd Hyundai. And you will nitpick how “Genesis is RWD special made platform”, but here are the facts. The LS is also RWD, goes faster (4.6s), gets better gas mileage (3mpg better than the G80), and costs $10k less! So what is better about the G80? Is it just because it is a newer design? Don’t bring up “looks” because they’re subjective. And in my opinion, the LS has a much better interior layout and materials than the G80 (which in fact the facelift made it worse). The way I see it, Genesis can’t make a car in 2023 that is better than a 6yr old Lexus! Shame on you and Genesis for not being able to make a car better than the one you guys criticize about.
I think the 2021 to 2022 are the year to buy TBH. They actually had the advanced package and the blue interior option. After 22 they dumped the advanced for the sport trim and dumped the blue leather/brown and Eucalyptus. Similar how they ruined the gv70 in years dropping the green and maroon interior options.
I actually wanted to buy the G80 when it got redesign but I didn't like the steering wheel and 2 strip headlights and taillights. It looks really luxurious and makes me wish Lexus could step up their game in interior designs. My first choice was always a Lexus IS or ES so I decided to go with the ES F-Sport with Triple Beams, Red Seats, Mark Levinson and other features I wanted. I don't regret buying this car.
Yeah I don’t like the steering on the base model, but it’s different on the sport prestige trim. Gonna most likely get one in a couple of days , has like 5k mileage for 40k, gonna negotiate it down a bit hopefully to 36-37k
Just saying if the reason you didn't buy the G80 was only because of the steering wheel and instead you bought a Lexus ES, a G80 was never meant for you. G80 is meant to be more fun to drive with its RWD architecture and compete with 5 series and E class. Not comparable to an Lexus ES at all. Aside from both being mid size sedans that's literally all they share in common lol. You should have looked at the
I have a 2023 G80 Sport prestige. Hate these upgrades, looks like step backwards on the 2025. The infotainment screen is way too big! Outside looks ok, no real issues with the front. I don’t like the rear the exhaust. It’s still a nice car.
Some of us would buy the Audi S7 not the knockoff Genesis has no answer to: LC LX GX RC RC and RC F TX UX Not one V-8 So let’s keep things in perspective 👊
@@KirkKreifels nice cars but RX 500h for me. I don’t want a fake bentley. There is some odd Genesis fascination but the reality is they don’t have dealers they don’t race they have a very small lineup and some people act like it’s the second coming. it isn’t. They make nice vehicles but no brands ran back to the drawing board. The infatuation with always mentioning Lexus simply shows how far ahead Lexus is overall and still the target. IMO
@@MikeForsythe better quality, tech, luxury in what? Lexus can't even touch Genesis in those areas. LOL you toyota fanboys are delusional as ever. Just say you can't afford a Genesis kid.
Agreed the interior of the old one was more elegant. At least the dash area. But the steering wheel, seats, door panels, and the new screen are just better all around. Especially the screen which is OLED and looks extra crispy IRL. You kinda forget about the tacked on look after being in it for a while
Just wait for the next ES. I heard the LS was supposed to be redesigned in the next calendar year but it has been pushed to 2025 calendar year at least. We'll see what they're cooking eventually. For now just give me a GR Crown sedan with the V35A 🙏
@@SuperSaqerOh fuck yeah! A GR based Lexus ES! 🤙That’ll absolutely roast the Genesis rubbish. Imagine the look on the Genesis fanboys faces when they discover a “GR Camry based” ES utterly roasts their rubbish in performance. Can’t get better than that.
It’s a great car however first the genesis keeps changing more often , it’s made the customer feel you don’t really own a luxury car, and second just my opinion…. The car is combining of other luxury brands. Hopefully one day the company will find a true identity
They have already found a identity. This car looks like nothing on the road, Genesis has their own design language. Lots of cars look like each other nowadays.
Old? What’s old about Lexus and Acura interiors? WTF man! I’m telling you, these wrong perceptions the morons like naveenthemachine and MAGA plant in peoples heads are getting out of hand. Just go to a Lexus dealership and see for yourself how good they are.
Dieses Auto ist wirklich gut. Besser als jeder deutscher. Es gibt nur ein Auto das noch besser ist,Lexus ES. Und eine Antwort auf Genesis wird folgen,2025 wird der ES von heute abgelöst,und dieses Auto wird Dimenzionen sprengen in Sachen Verbrauch, Material Anmutung und über Lexus Qualität muß man nicht reden,es ist das Beste. Genesis ist aber ein sehr würdevoller Konkurent.
I feel like lexus should just run the LS and LX as long as possible. Then they can make them solid state hypermilers, with the LS being a true competitor too the BMW i7 and the LX being a true competitor too the Cadillac escalade iQ. The ES should take some inspiration from the Lucid Air as far as packaging goes.
You're entitled to your opinion. I currently own both and I've had more issues with my Lexus than I've had with the Genesis which has been (knock on wood) trouble free (58,000 miles now) and maintenance is A LOT cheaper. Where Genesis must improve is in the dealership experience, it's certainly far from being that of a luxury brand.
@@mrgurulittle7000 That is your opinion and I respect it. I speak from experience. The Genesis has absolutely nothing to envy any Lexus. Would I overpay for one, NO, but bought at the right price is as good as it gets.
@@philhenderson3516Come on. Consumer Reports latest studies showed Lexus averages way better than Genesis in reliability. Genesis doesn’t even have a sports car in their lineup, so they’re also boring on top of not having reliable car options.
I don't care if the new OLED screen is powered by unicorns and pixie dust... it is still ugly as sin as presented in this interior. The graceful curved area in front of the driver that formerly topped the primary gauges is still there behind the new screen, which makes this artless installation look even more "tacked on." Not a change for the better.
As things are currently going I’d rather grab a new gen g80 than any of the Lexus sedans. Still think Lexus needs a lift back sedan like Porsche has the Panamera
@@mrgurulittle7000 yeah I do. I don’t drive big yacht sedans so I don’t look at the LS. Plus the 3 mpg I’d like to have. 1.3 seconds I don’t really care about myself. If anything I’d grab a hybrid ES instead of a new LS or even one of these G80s.
The screen is more usable as far as touch input, and the exterior updates are fine. I doubt the G70 is going anywhere with EV6 sales as they are, which really is the Kia Stinger replacement. They’re going to transition this as a market demand requires. 14:36
They are keeping the real wood option here in Korea. 3 different color options for the wood if you choose the normal sedan. G80 sport is Carbon. The new GV80 and G80 are getting mixed reviews here in Korea. People are not happy with the: 1. Price increase 2. Interior Color Options limited. 3. The people here wanted improved suspension but didn't get it, despite the huge Price Increase. 4. The new interior is also getting mixed reviews. Some like the older one. 5. Hidden Exhaust is a big miss
It looks like another option in a million cars out there. Nothing defines Genesis more than a mixed up interior, clueless exterior, and German engineering with poor build quality. Like I always say, Lexus fights with reliability, which always wins.
Lexus has more recalls than Genesis this year alone according to NHTSA. Please lookup the results before trolling hard and having jealously for Genesis mrslowbus7000. Thanks me later.
@@maga4813Ah. But you see, Genesis has a total of 10 models meaning 1.7 recalls per model whereas Lexus has 27 models meaning 1.5 recalls per model. Lexus still has less recalls, and if you don’t think that’s right, Consumer Reports ranked Genesis near the bottom in reliability while Lexus was the top spot.
@@naveenthemachineYeah right. Cadillac and Lincoln sell more cars than Genesis, and Lexus selling way more than any of them gets the criticism? Sure doesn’t make sense. If you like unreliable, buy unreliable then. Nobody is stopping you, but others will continue to buy what offered the most for the money.
The refresh makes it look cheaper, especially that plastic crap on the steering wheel, losing the wood, and doing the lazy look, glue-on screen. And way for Genesis to dig their heels in and make the constantly criticized double knob system even worse.
I hate the trend to these panoramic screens, and I think it's more distracting to the driver. Much prefer the GV70 interior with an instrument cluster, infotainment screen and dedicated climate control area, to me more ergonomic. My 2022 GV70 3.5 Sport Prestige has been excellent, I've become a Genesis fan, the GV80 coupe is beautiful but that panoramic display would be a deal breaker for me.
why is it so important in the US to see the exhaust in the rear of a Luxury Car, makes that the Car better and can you see the exhaust when you drive the Car? Here in Europe we can´t see the exhaust when we drive our Car´s.
I bought my G80 in 2021 and never have I reached for the wrong rotary dial to put it into gear. Even if that ever happened, simply knowing that you can only put your hand around just one them would make take a nanosecond to figure which controller is being touched. I'll never understand that old, tired 'thing' about the dial/knob setup.
Kirk, Genesis is working on a hybrid 2.5t powertrain for their future models due to the fickle EV market. The article was posted on the Korean Car Blog website a while ago. Lexus will not have the hybridized midsize Asain car market to itself in North America.
I am really shocked how bitter Lexus fans actually are. I've driven many cars from many brands but Lexus fans seem to be the most defensive drivers on earth. Look at these comments, how rude Lexus fans get once you critizise the brand for its ancient products. Even when their new models come out, they are already outdated. Lexus had their prime time from 89 to 2017 then it went downhill after. Look at the IS or GS from the early to mid 2000s, their cars were elegant and simple designed. Like Jeremy Clarkson said about the LFA, it looks as fresh as a freshly picked berry in the woods. This was Lexus. Now their designs are a desparate attempt to gain attention, completely ignoring what makes a car actually elegant. Lines after lines, no elegance whatsoever. Cancelling RWD products for Camrys isnt gonna help either. The G80 is so good that even biased German car magazines let it win against the Audi A6. This says more than enough. Everybody tearing down Genesis for their ride comfort simply has never driven one.
Well actually, Lexus offered bigger infotainment screens, easier to use infotainment system, and better ergonomics. Genesis is a lump of overrated impracticality.
@@mrgurulittle7000 can you like stop upvoting your comments with your alt accounts. Lexus infotainment screen isn't practical or easier than Genesis. Lexus is way behind genesis million years. Try to troll harder.
@@bradleyscarreviewsIt drives better, handles better, and performs better. I’ve actually sat in both and driven both of them. Heck, the LS gets better gas mileage on top of that. You just say that because you like Genesis designs, but I already told you how the LS outspecs the G80 in every category. Design is subjective, but specs are concrete evidence Lexus still rules.
I’m afraid that Genesis will fall for the same trap Lexus fell into with trying to feel more “sporty” and less “comfortable.” All the top trims in 2025 are “sport” trims, but we all know they won’t be able to compete with the German brands when it comes to being a sports car, so we’ll see.
The interior of the 2025 model is underwhelming. Just going with the big screen trend instead of doing what they did so good before. Doesn't look like a luxury interior compared to before. The exterior looks great!
Nobody buys Luxury boats like the Genesis or Lexus . It’s cool that they have it, but I see way more S Class sedans and BMW 7 series than I do any other big luxury sedans. I haven’t seen the Genesis on the road since its release. I rarely see the LS. Let’s be honest, people buying these types of vehicles have enough money to buy Rolls Royce Bentleys and Maybachs. As well as Porsche Panamera. So I’m not taking anything away from your review, but Lexus does not need to answer anything from Genesis. We all know why.
The new interior on the G80 is nicer that’s more on trend. The older one looks more like a high-end Mazda the newer one looks like their interpretation of a BMW.
@@naveenthemachineThey already are competitive being older models. Don’t bother commenting dumb ass statements if you’re not planning to bother with anything.
They've totally ruined the dashboard. All cars that have this after thought long screen stuck over the dash are just ugly. It hides the design of the dash, and it's worse with the G80. I mean you can see the bulge which used to be the odometer consol sticking on top of the long screen. It's like the dash has a design but it's totally hiden by the ugly long screen. I don't understand why everyone is going with this bad approach.
Thankfully, they didn't copy the heavily angled C-pillar and rear outline from the 2024 G90 sedan, which btw looks like a bad knock-off of the old Saab 900 of years past. (Until they can get a defibrillator onto the 9-5 Aero, I say RIP Saab, RIP.)
The Lexus ES doesn't compare to this. Doesn't matter what the redesign brings, unless they switch platforms. Lexus doesn't have a competitor to this, no matter how you try to talk around it.
Just wish Hyundai would make them with a little bit more horse power at least about over four hundred horse power I’m waiting on the next generation that’s coming out the magma addion 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
I like my 2022 g80 sport better interior looks more like a car and not some crap cyber Cafe bs the exterior is about the same don't know why they didn't add the electric hybrid supercharger to sport model seemed like a no brainer option to me
There is a problem with this brand that not too many people want to talk about and that is the bombastic grille. What it reminds me of would not be polite to even write on this comment board. This car should be replaced by the Grandeur or K900 but move those cars up to the Genesis brand if they want a luxury brand. This is a very good vehicle except for the front fascia which is more than unacceptable because of its ostentatious appearances. My true feelings about what profession this vehicle with its current appearance would be used for are not suitable to put on this comment page.
Not too many people talk about it because most people don’t have a problem with it. Also, if you want your opinion to stand out, don’t be afraid to really tell us what you think. It’s the TH-cam comment section, far worse things have been uttered lol.
not gonna lie, i miss the previous interior it looks nicer tbh
that nice blue color helps
They got rid of the wood across the dash near the fans too.
that grey interior that kirk was driving looks like a totally different model lol, colors can play a big roll in how its perceived
How can you miss something thats current?
Ya especially the current steering wheel as the new one is rather plain
It's a shame that Toyota doesn't take advantage of its full potential in certain things like making Lexus more luxurious knowing that Toyota Century cars are very luxurious.
Yet they have crown sedan and mirai 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I dont even want to go there…. Its hard being a lexus fan. The new GX is the only breath of fresh air
Lexus LS is luxurious
Japanese are highly capable but when it comes to making dream car they simply don’t give a damn profit is their only business
absolute nonsense stupid trash talk@@ramanjitsingh4340
It's been over with Lexus since the 2021 Genesis GV80 came to market. Now the sales increase due to standalone dealerships come to place. It's all thanks to that, now Genesis is been taken seriously.
Are you hinting to the Consumer Reports data? Because Lexus absolutely smeared Penesis in reliability. Genesis has worse reliability than Jaguar. I have to admit Genesis cars make a nice doghouse for the backyard.
@@mrgurulittle7000 Mrslowbus7000, i told you, CR is toyota bought and your brain still can't grasp the fact that companies like toyota paid them. Man, you haven't taken your meds ever since i embarrassed you the last time. JD Power got genesis higher than lexus in reliability. Now go troll somewhere else with jealous and hate towards the korean brand. LMAO
@@mrgurulittle7000 take your meds mrslowbuss
@@mrgurulittle7000 in addition Genesis has 105 days of cars in lots, one of the worst around. Lexus is at 51 days one of the best. Maga guy js a kia boyz so ignore him lol
@@MikeForsythe Hi fake news mike, how long are you going to keep trolling along with your mentally unstable bud mrslowbus7000? You clowns are pathetic.
Lexus canceling the GS is one of the most disappointing moves ever. I love mine but I am beyond irked by their decision. I’m definitely look at Genesis very seriously now.
Wait a little...the Es will have a bigger replacement....the new Es will replace both Es and Ls..and be more a Gs... .
Toyoda has ruined Lexus, gladly he has been removed to a position were he cann't do any harm.
@@avdp9095 well Toyota is still doomed anyway. Lexus too. They can’t compete anymore. They’re now putting out subpar products compared to any other brand
@@naveenthemachine go away.
Don’t think of Genesis. Get an Acura, Infiniti, BMW, Audi, go on a holiday, but just don’t get the Genesis. They feel cheap and don’t last long. People only say crap about Lexus because they’re frustrated at how successful and huge Lexus sales are compared to Genesis.
@@naveenthemachine You are truly delusional. How TF is Toyota doomed?
I was apparently the first customer in the UK to take delivery of the Electrified G80, and having owned the car for some 17 months, I am pleased to say its the best car ive owned, and this comes after twenty years of various Jaguar's and seven yeays owning a Maserati Ghibli.
Having looked at the video, unlike others who have commented, i think the revised cabin is a step forward bringing it in line with other newer Genesis models, as well as sorting out some ergonomic issues with the current model. The wood trim (and yes its real wood they use) looks as though its been repositioned and redesigned - the wood on the dash appears to now run above the dash vents, and on the centre console it looks tidier.
Of course the big changes are the new screen and steering wheel, which just makes it look more up to date, and in line with current designs.
Exterior changes seem minimal with just redisgned bumper mouldings.
Here in the UK, the brand is relatively unknown, with the biggest seller being the GV60, this coupled with the quite brilliant exterior design, means my E G80 continues to attract no end of positive attention, with most thinking its some kind of Bentley, which given thats where the stylists at Genesis used to work is probably no surprise!
As someone who currently owns the Genesis GV80 and g70 I personally prefer the current value knob so much better it's way more easier to get to it's already by your fingers and the wood is just so much nicer in person after seeing this interior at the auto show I felt a little underwhelmed I feel like the current interior is still nicer it makes me not want to give up the Genesis I have now for the new one
I think the pre refresh is better looking for sure. More digital isn’t always better.
Yep, once you learn how expensive touschscreens are, they suddenly lose their charm.
I love my lovely Genesis G80.
Like with the GV80, I find the current 2023 G80 to look a lot better. This refresh I feel is a step backwards, both interior-wise and exterior-wise but I'm not surprised. This seems to be a trend with Hyundai/Kia products where the redesigns are very cutting edge and amazing and then all the subsequent refreshes look to tone it down a notch or cut costs in a creative way to save for the next following redesign.
Love the current G80, such elegant styling and that gorgeous interior, too. All it really needed was a re-shaped EV battery pack for better trunk capacity, and 300+ miles of range.
Current model got 280 miles @75mph in caranddrivers highway range test. In other words the real world combined eating is around 300 miles or so. Don't think it needs a larger battery although I wouldn't complain.
Apparently Genesis is reacting to market demands and is now developing a RWD 2.5 turbo hybrid powertrain for some next-generation models. Hyundai is using it too, reportedly.
That’s different, Hyundai’s 2.5 hev will be announced with palisade 2nd gen. And that powertrain is for FWD. As genesis is RWD, they need to built from bottom.
@@trap_autostudio Oh I thought Hyundai was getting the RWD one, too. Thanks for the clarification.
@@Bro_skelly1 if they really built RWD HEV 2.5. I guess that’s probably around 2026
What's the car at 12:53?
gv60
G90 is absolutely not better than the LS, it might have more tech………..but as far as overall refinement and build quality, the LS is still on top. Much props to Genesis overall though, they’re making some very nice cars………and getting better.
@trump3205 typical troll, big mouth with no videos! Post some videos of what you drive, or stfu………point blank period!
@trump3205 the audacity to call someone a fanboy and you named yourself after Trump, that’s dick riding at its finest! I guess you like the taste of salty things that dangle!
@trump3205 that’s your comeback? Lmao! Finish getting ready for school kid, and don’t forget your lunch…….and make sure your mommy packed those salty things you love so much.
@trump3205 Hyundai fanboy calling someone a Toyota fanboy, as if that’s an insult coming from you lol
Yeah nobody agrees with that
G90 absolutely 💯 destroys Lexus
Any updates on the 2025 Lexus Rx? Perhaps the full digital gauge cluster?
It's Lexus who we are talking about. Gonna be more like a decade before we get that feature 😂
As a Luxury dedicated vehicle, the LS is still the best Lexus you could get. It executes luxury better than any other vehicle in their lineup. Massaging front and rear seats (LX lacks). Power rear shades (LX lacks). A panoramic roof (LX lacks). 24” HUD, (LX has the old system). Available Lexus Teammate (LX Lacks).
Step inside a LS equipped with the Executive package and compare the Kiriko glass or hand pleated origami to the LX’s interior. The LS Transmission was corrected in 2019. The LS ride/handling/Suspension/Quietness/Engines were improved in 2021. 2023 it received Lexus Interface. But go on about how “irrelevant” it is.
For the LS Genesis got the G90
@@ALBA_809LS is still better than G90. For the LS being an older car, it’s way more refined and perfected than the G90. G90 is a more modern design, but execution was poor. It doesn’t ride or handle as well.
@@mrgurulittle7000 like you ever ride the g90 in your 1994 corolla. LMAO Man you trolls are very witty.
The g90 is the real Lexus LS we deserve. The real LS is just a nice Toyota
And yeah the LS is irrelevant. It’s not competitive in any metric
@@naveenthemachineA nice Toyota is better than a gold wrapped turd Hyundai. And you will nitpick how “Genesis is RWD special made platform”, but here are the facts. The LS is also RWD, goes faster (4.6s), gets better gas mileage (3mpg better than the G80), and costs $10k less! So what is better about the G80? Is it just because it is a newer design? Don’t bring up “looks” because they’re subjective. And in my opinion, the LS has a much better interior layout and materials than the G80 (which in fact the facelift made it worse). The way I see it, Genesis can’t make a car in 2023 that is better than a 6yr old Lexus! Shame on you and Genesis for not being able to make a car better than the one you guys criticize about.
Are they gonna change the whole design anytime soon?
I think the 2021 to 2022 are the year to buy TBH.
They actually had the advanced package and the blue interior option.
After 22 they dumped the advanced for the sport trim and dumped the blue leather/brown and Eucalyptus.
Similar how they ruined the gv70 in years dropping the green and maroon interior options.
Don’t you just love how the steering cuts through the gauge that’s off center
Finally, a steering wheel more pleasing to my eyes!!!
When I think top of the line luxury, I want a wood interior.
You are right about the screen s and the wood. The wood is really nice in the current vehicle.
I actually wanted to buy the G80 when it got redesign but I didn't like the steering wheel and 2 strip headlights and taillights. It looks really luxurious and makes me wish Lexus could step up their game in interior designs. My first choice was always a Lexus IS or ES so I decided to go with the ES F-Sport with Triple Beams, Red Seats, Mark Levinson and other features I wanted. I don't regret buying this car.
Yeah I don’t like the steering on the base model, but it’s different on the sport prestige trim. Gonna most likely get one in a couple of days , has like 5k mileage for 40k, gonna negotiate it down a bit hopefully to 36-37k
Just saying if the reason you didn't buy the G80 was only because of the steering wheel and instead you bought a Lexus ES, a G80 was never meant for you.
G80 is meant to be more fun to drive with its RWD architecture and compete with 5 series and E class. Not comparable to an Lexus ES at all. Aside from both being mid size sedans that's literally all they share in common lol.
You should have looked at the
I love the looks of the Genesis Sedans! By the way Lexus did actually kill their flagship Sedan, the LS?
the new interior looks nicer, but the old version's rear exterior was defiantly better.
Pre-refresh design is definitely the one I'd go for specially the steering wheel.
Thank you for good information!
LG made those OLED screens. With the new partnership with Samsung, I hope Genesis gets more of their goodies
Samsung?! They make shit quality. That’ll seal Genesis’s doom.
@@mrgurulittle7000 stop upvoting yourself mrslowbus. Just say you're jealous of korean products.
You're looking as fresh as the G80 Special K!
I have a 2023 G80 Sport prestige. Hate these upgrades, looks like step backwards on the 2025. The infotainment screen is way too big! Outside looks ok, no real issues with the front. I don’t like the rear the exhaust. It’s still a nice car.
Yeah but how does it drive?
OMG i just bought the freaking car last week!!!!!!
Lol i did the same thing buying rhe 2020 g70 then the refresh came out a few months later.
Me too!
Some of us would buy the Audi S7 not the knockoff Genesis has no answer to:
LC
LX
GX
RC
RC and RC F
TX
UX
Not one V-8
So let’s keep things in perspective 👊
Calm down toyota fanboy. Lexus is behind Genesis anyways.
I agree with that lineup. However the gv80 and gv70 take in the rx and NX well. And the gv60 is a little better than RZ .
@@KirkKreifels nice cars but RX 500h for me. I don’t want a fake bentley. There is some odd Genesis fascination but the reality is they don’t have dealers they don’t race they have a very small lineup and some people act like it’s the second coming. it isn’t. They make nice vehicles but no brands ran back to the drawing board. The infatuation with always mentioning Lexus simply shows how far ahead Lexus is overall and still the target. IMO
@@maga4813 iyou mean Lexus sells more has better quality, more technology, more luxury, more performance?
@@MikeForsythe better quality, tech, luxury in what? Lexus can't even touch Genesis in those areas. LOL you toyota fanboys are delusional as ever. Just say you can't afford a Genesis kid.
I bought my wife a 22 GV70 because i was sick of Mercedes reducing quality.
Im still 100% satisfied with this vehicle.
Best looking car in its segment imo
Agreed the interior of the old one was more elegant. At least the dash area. But the steering wheel, seats, door panels, and the new screen are just better all around. Especially the screen which is OLED and looks extra crispy IRL. You kinda forget about the tacked on look after being in it for a while
The refreshed interior kind of reminds me of the 2024 Hyundai Santa Fe interior
Just wait for the next ES. I heard the LS was supposed to be redesigned in the next calendar year but it has been pushed to 2025 calendar year at least. We'll see what they're cooking eventually. For now just give me a GR Crown sedan with the V35A 🙏
New es will have no doors. Thats cold for winter. Grow up.
@@ericB3444 what you on about lil guy
The next es will be another fancy Camry 😂
@@naveenthemachinea fancy GR Camry sure. If they decide to pair the T24A with a plug it’s game over. Let Koji Sato cook man.
@@SuperSaqerOh fuck yeah! A GR based Lexus ES! 🤙That’ll absolutely roast the Genesis rubbish. Imagine the look on the Genesis fanboys faces when they discover a “GR Camry based” ES utterly roasts their rubbish in performance. Can’t get better than that.
It’s a great car however first the genesis keeps changing more often , it’s made the customer feel you don’t really own a luxury car, and second just my opinion…. The car is combining of other luxury brands. Hopefully one day the company will find a true identity
Agree. Genesis is just a combination of German engineering and Korean build quality. They don’t really have an identity.
@@mrgurulittle7000 Better than lexus that is a fact.
@@maga4813Says you and naveenthemachine only. Must be lonely for you on this channel. Boo hoo. You gonna cry about it?
They have already found a identity. This car looks like nothing on the road, Genesis has their own design language. Lots of cars look like each other nowadays.
I like the new Interior, looks modern and Luxurious and that is important for a Luxury Car not like Lexus or Acura with old Interior designs.
Old? What’s old about Lexus and Acura interiors? WTF man! I’m telling you, these wrong perceptions the morons like naveenthemachine and MAGA plant in peoples heads are getting out of hand. Just go to a Lexus dealership and see for yourself how good they are.
This is not the 2025 model - this dash is from the 2024 model. The new 2025 has a long LCD glass dash.
Dieses Auto ist wirklich gut.
Besser als jeder deutscher.
Es gibt nur ein Auto das noch
besser ist,Lexus ES.
Und eine Antwort auf Genesis
wird folgen,2025 wird der ES
von heute abgelöst,und dieses
Auto wird Dimenzionen sprengen in Sachen Verbrauch,
Material Anmutung und über
Lexus Qualität muß man
nicht reden,es ist das Beste.
Genesis ist aber ein sehr würdevoller Konkurent.
New front looks great
I feel like lexus should just run the LS and LX as long as possible. Then they can make them solid state hypermilers, with the LS being a true competitor too the BMW i7 and the LX being a true competitor too the Cadillac escalade iQ. The ES should take some inspiration from the Lucid Air as far as packaging goes.
Lexus’ answer is to continue making cars that last 30 years and a million miles while Hyundai and Kia can’t make cars that don’t catch fire … 😂😂😂😂
You're entitled to your opinion. I currently own both and I've had more issues with my Lexus than I've had with the Genesis which has been (knock on wood) trouble free (58,000 miles now) and maintenance is A LOT cheaper. Where Genesis must improve is in the dealership experience, it's certainly far from being that of a luxury brand.
Absolutely! Lexus battles with reliability whereas Genesis is just another unreliable expensive car option. They aren’t even in the same league.
@@mrgurulittle7000 That is your opinion and I respect it. I speak from experience. The Genesis has absolutely nothing to envy any Lexus. Would I overpay for one, NO, but bought at the right price is as good as it gets.
@@philhenderson3516Come on. Consumer Reports latest studies showed Lexus averages way better than Genesis in reliability. Genesis doesn’t even have a sports car in their lineup, so they’re also boring on top of not having reliable car options.
Genesis doesn’t have any of those fire recalls.
The wood is still there i have a 21 and that new one im getting in august itz 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I don't care if the new OLED screen is powered by unicorns and pixie dust... it is still ugly as sin as presented in this interior. The graceful curved area in front of the driver that formerly topped the primary gauges is still there behind the new screen, which makes this artless installation look even more "tacked on." Not a change for the better.
As things are currently going I’d rather grab a new gen g80 than any of the Lexus sedans. Still think Lexus needs a lift back sedan like Porsche has the Panamera
The Lexus LS is 1.3 seconds faster, 3 mpg less, and $10k cheaper than the G80, and you want the G80 just because subjective design?
@@mrgurulittle7000 yeah I do. I don’t drive big yacht sedans so I don’t look at the LS. Plus the 3 mpg I’d like to have. 1.3 seconds I don’t really care about myself. If anything I’d grab a hybrid ES instead of a new LS or even one of these G80s.
@@korpsofkreig1359I see.
The screen is more usable as far as touch input, and the exterior updates are fine. I doubt the G70 is going anywhere with EV6 sales as they are, which really is the Kia Stinger replacement. They’re going to transition this as a market demand requires. 14:36
They are keeping the real wood option here in Korea. 3 different color options for the wood if you choose the normal sedan. G80 sport is Carbon.
The new GV80 and G80 are getting mixed reviews here in Korea. People are not happy with the: 1. Price increase 2. Interior Color Options limited. 3. The people here wanted improved suspension but didn't get it, despite the huge Price Increase. 4. The new interior is also getting mixed reviews. Some like the older one. 5. Hidden Exhaust is a big miss
Previous interior looks better, only good thing about the facelift is the steering wheel and maybe the arm rest.
Wholeheartedly agree 👍🏽
It looks like another option in a million cars out there. Nothing defines Genesis more than a mixed up interior, clueless exterior, and German engineering with poor build quality. Like I always say, Lexus fights with reliability, which always wins.
Lexus has more recalls than Genesis this year alone according to NHTSA. Please lookup the results before trolling hard and having jealously for Genesis mrslowbus7000. Thanks me later.
People now see reliability can no longer save lexus
@@maga4813Ah. But you see, Genesis has a total of 10 models meaning 1.7 recalls per model whereas Lexus has 27 models meaning 1.5 recalls per model. Lexus still has less recalls, and if you don’t think that’s right, Consumer Reports ranked Genesis near the bottom in reliability while Lexus was the top spot.
@@naveenthemachineYeah right. Cadillac and Lincoln sell more cars than Genesis, and Lexus selling way more than any of them gets the criticism? Sure doesn’t make sense. If you like unreliable, buy unreliable then. Nobody is stopping you, but others will continue to buy what offered the most for the money.
@@mrgurulittle7000don’t know where you saw that…but for all I know…Genesis doesn’t have near as much recalls and issues as Hyundais.
Why did you not compare the right models ? Lots od differences .
The refresh makes it look cheaper, especially that plastic crap on the steering wheel, losing the wood, and doing the lazy look, glue-on screen. And way for Genesis to dig their heels in and make the constantly criticized double knob system even worse.
That bottom picture isn't the current G80.
I hate the trend to these panoramic screens, and I think it's more distracting to the driver. Much prefer the GV70 interior with an instrument cluster, infotainment screen and dedicated climate control area, to me more ergonomic. My 2022 GV70 3.5 Sport Prestige has been excellent, I've become a Genesis fan, the GV80 coupe is beautiful but that panoramic display would be a deal breaker for me.
I hope Lexus sends you a new 2024 model year LS 500 test car, it might change your mind.
why is it so important in the US to see the exhaust in the rear of a Luxury Car, makes that the Car better and can you see the exhaust when you drive the Car? Here in Europe we can´t see the exhaust when we drive our Car´s.
Don't like the one big screen vs. the previous setup
I bought my G80 in 2021 and never have I reached for the wrong rotary dial to put it into gear. Even if that ever happened, simply knowing that you can only put your hand around just one them would make take a nanosecond to figure which controller is being touched. I'll never understand that old, tired 'thing' about the dial/knob setup.
Kirk, Genesis is working on a hybrid 2.5t powertrain for their future models due to the fickle EV market. The article was posted on the Korean Car Blog website a while ago. Lexus will not have the hybridized midsize Asain car market to itself in North America.
Why doesnt the Ls get the tundra hybrid power train?
What the LS needs is the 5.0 V8!!!! Nothing less
I am really shocked how bitter Lexus fans actually are. I've driven many cars from many brands but Lexus fans seem to be the most defensive drivers on earth. Look at these comments, how rude Lexus fans get once you critizise the brand for its ancient products. Even when their new models come out, they are already outdated.
Lexus had their prime time from 89 to 2017 then it went downhill after. Look at the IS or GS from the early to mid 2000s, their cars were elegant and simple designed. Like Jeremy Clarkson said about the LFA, it looks as fresh as a freshly picked berry in the woods. This was Lexus. Now their designs are a desparate attempt to gain attention, completely ignoring what makes a car actually elegant. Lines after lines, no elegance whatsoever. Cancelling RWD products for Camrys isnt gonna help either. The G80 is so good that even biased German car magazines let it win against the Audi A6. This says more than enough. Everybody tearing down Genesis for their ride comfort simply has never driven one.
I'm waiting for Genesis to do a convertible.
This new interior is a massive downgrade in my opinion
I prefer thw white or cheery red interior
2030 Genesis preview.. The grill will take the entire front width.. The headlights will be inside the grill.
🤣🤣🤣👍
Genesis kills toyota and lexus with interiors
They always do.
Toyota is incomparable not a luxury brand 💀
@@mattmekhaeil😂💯
Well actually, Lexus offered bigger infotainment screens, easier to use infotainment system, and better ergonomics. Genesis is a lump of overrated impracticality.
@@mrgurulittle7000 can you like stop upvoting your comments with your alt accounts. Lexus infotainment screen isn't practical or easier than Genesis. Lexus is way behind genesis million years. Try to troll harder.
Rip GS
Interesting design choices
sorry Kirk but in my opinion the Ls is a way better looking vehicle, escpecially when you put some nice rims/tires
May look better, but sure doesn’t drive better than a G90…nor has the same level of luxury and quality.
@@bradleyscarreviewsIt drives better, handles better, and performs better. I’ve actually sat in both and driven both of them. Heck, the LS gets better gas mileage on top of that. You just say that because you like Genesis designs, but I already told you how the LS outspecs the G80 in every category. Design is subjective, but specs are concrete evidence Lexus still rules.
We need a G90 EV
Benz has never returned my emails... But don't count them out!
They should’ve at least kept the more unique steering wheel from the last one…
I’m afraid that Genesis will fall for the same trap Lexus fell into with trying to feel more “sporty” and less “comfortable.” All the top trims in 2025 are “sport” trims, but we all know they won’t be able to compete with the German brands when it comes to being a sports car, so we’ll see.
The interior of the 2025 model is underwhelming. Just going with the big screen trend instead of doing what they did so good before. Doesn't look like a luxury interior compared to before.
The exterior looks great!
Nobody buys Luxury boats like the Genesis or Lexus . It’s cool that they have it, but I see way more S Class sedans and BMW 7 series than I do any other big luxury sedans. I haven’t seen the Genesis on the road since its release. I rarely see the LS.
Let’s be honest, people buying these types of vehicles have enough money to buy Rolls Royce Bentleys and Maybachs. As well as Porsche Panamera. So I’m not taking anything away from your review, but Lexus does not need to answer anything from Genesis. We all know why.
현대 제네시스는 한국에서 벤츠, bmw, 아우디 보다 비싼 가격과 저품질로 한국에서 조차 외면받고 있는 실정입니다.
The new interior on the G80 is nicer that’s more on trend. The older one looks more like a high-end Mazda the newer one looks like their interpretation of a BMW.
My car for 2026
I prefer the current design
LEXUS GANGGG
We’re here holding off the enemy pretty well!👍💪
Lexus es probably the greatest sedan ever built... so ya genesis not even close😂
Right… a gussied up Camry is the best thing to ever exist
This comment clearly proves you don’t know anything about cars
@@naveenthemachine this statement proves you know nothing about cars😆
I listen to joe raiti and he and others really brag about the new refresh
Top of the line G80 gets close in price to Lexus LS, so Lexus LS actually is a competitor to G80.
Kirk, most times I agree with your comments but I have to say I feel your a little too nit picky, just saying!
much prefer the old interior
The ES and IS can’t come any sooner….
They’re probably not going to be very competitive as usual
I wouldn’t even bother
@@naveenthemachineThey already are competitive being older models. Don’t bother commenting dumb ass statements if you’re not planning to bother with anything.
They've totally ruined the dashboard. All cars that have this after thought long screen stuck over the dash are just ugly. It hides the design of the dash, and it's worse with the G80. I mean you can see the bulge which used to be the odometer consol sticking on top of the long screen. It's like the dash has a design but it's totally hiden by the ugly long screen. I don't understand why everyone is going with this bad approach.
My thoughts exactly 💯
One big screen cheaper than two smaller screens
Basically you have not seen the car, nor driven it. And yet, you're giving a "review" of it?
The steering wheel is a lot better
No European luxury owner will not remotely go on a Kia/ Hyundai lot more less own one
Thankfully, they didn't copy the heavily angled C-pillar and rear outline from the 2024 G90 sedan, which btw looks like a bad knock-off of the old Saab 900 of years past. (Until they can get a defibrillator onto the 9-5 Aero, I say RIP Saab, RIP.)
The Lexus ES doesn't compare to this. Doesn't matter what the redesign brings, unless they switch platforms. Lexus doesn't have a competitor to this, no matter how you try to talk around it.
A 220 inch es with 3 rows is the answer
Refreshed again??!
$60,000 battery replacement const on ioniq 5. 🤐🤐🤐🤐
Just wish Hyundai would make them with a little bit more horse power at least about over four hundred horse power I’m waiting on the next generation that’s coming out the magma addion 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Nice
No it isn’t. Not everything is “nice”. This is rubbish.
I like my 2022 g80 sport better interior looks more like a car and not some crap cyber Cafe bs the exterior is about the same don't know why they didn't add the electric hybrid supercharger to sport model seemed like a no brainer option to me
There is a problem with this brand that not too many people want to talk about and that is the bombastic grille. What it reminds me of would not be polite to even write on this comment board.
This car should be replaced by the Grandeur or K900 but move those cars up to the Genesis brand if they want a luxury brand. This is a very good vehicle except for the front fascia which is more than unacceptable because of its ostentatious appearances. My true feelings about what profession this vehicle with its current appearance would be used for are not suitable to put on this comment page.
Most people disagree with you
Not too many people talk about it because most people don’t have a problem with it. Also, if you want your opinion to stand out, don’t be afraid to really tell us what you think. It’s the TH-cam comment section, far worse things have been uttered lol.
Agreed. The grill is an aesthetic nightmare and different for the sake of being different. Basically a giant acura grill tbh
@@MikeForsythe Thanks Mike, kind of a shame because the rest of the vehicle is very good, though the seats might also be a bit too ornate also.
@@MikeForsythe I might go for the Sonata 2024 instead.
Classiest car design right now. Turns my head every time I see it.
If genesis goes full electric it will be their downfall.