Exactly what I was gonna say… I think they took themselves a bit toooo seriously… it’s for EF lens, too. How many people who wants this kind of features and are willing to pay $2k for it are also currently using EF glass with their Sony FE bodies…?
@@ed61730 Yeah I know, I have a friend who uses a Canon 24-70 L with her FX3, but I don't think that necessarily means people would want to spend $2000 extra on EF "accessories" today since I assume they eventually need to go. IMO, If you are that serious about the look and detail for a production, just rent the arri signature primes with the built-in diopters. Or maybe I'm just ignorant and they will sell a bunch of em.🤷♀
Its a variable black mist filter 😅 wait til smallrig or other brands like neewer and viltrox make a dummy mount and charge WAAAAYYY less and they will be a hit! Moment is out of their minds for a price point of that size $2000 USD for baking in a look x.x
Cool concept. L3 is particularly interesting to me, but sadly not for $2000USD. $500 maybe. Hopefully they’re successful and manufacturing can become cheaper.
A 2k adapter should at least have a foot and locking ring for serious use. L2 looks decent, but the other two are way over board, even in their minimum setting.
For the working pro, the question is how often would one need this look. If it’s for a one off job, or even select jobs, perhaps renting the actual lenses would be a better option. If you build your entire reel off this one look, I suppose it would be a justifiable purchase. The issue of not full frame coverage isn’t really that much a selling point. The lower end pro has access to different camera formats. The high end pros would probably have the budget to get custom solutions to fit whatever the director, DP is looking for. Maybe it can find a market with rental houses who cannot get their hands on these older lenses. Or the hobbyist with the discretionary income. It’s good that folks are innovating and trying stuff. Otherwise the industry is stuck with the same old and just incremental spec bumps version to version
From F22 to F2.8 the look is subtle and the adapter can certainly be left on the lens for a whole shoot at these apertures. From f2.8 to F1.4 you get more of the extreme plus look. It is variable so if you are into the small details you can fine tune it with the dial.
Very nice and clever idea. When you ask 2k you are in PL land. €500 seems the right price for what you offer, i expected 250- 300 to be fair. Its still an effect and not the real thing. You might want to buy 3 to have in your bag but not at 6k. Going trough a budget company with a high end priced product doesnt seem smart. You might want to make up your mind. People rent high end lenses. This adapter is focused on more budget aprouch. Ef lens is probly cheaper then the adapter. Its also for one system lens and camera, so you better not switch down the road. Maybe modelair mounts? At 2k hard no. At 500 you have something going on. Its hard to put a product on the market, but you seem torn up between two segments, pick one. Good luck!
2K for an adapter? LOL save up and buy a good lens instead or buy a cheap vintage lens. This is priced too high for something that would be considered a fad a pose to an industry standard.
I see this as something people would still rent over purchase. It is a cool look but not something that has too many applications outside of what a lens filter can do and has been doing for decades.
I was so close to buy this. Then I found out that far from all lenses are supported. So I got myself a NiSi 1/8 black mist filter. All done, works great and gives some character to my Sigma Art lenses.
It looks super exciting and the intentions behind this product are totally legit. I'm 100% a target for this. But me too, for the price, I'll pass for now, because of too many deceptions with other gadgets. 1000 USD is fairly high for an adapter that hasn't been largely reviewed. And 2000 USD is a commitment price, the kind of money I'd rather save to buy a lens.
It's 2 grand because its not a lens adapter. It's a compact optical tuning device made by Ian Neill, the guy who won 13 oscars and designed the panavision primos.
The look is variable. Soft effect and mist filters are only available as straight filters. If you were to buy a set of 4 large front diameter pro mist filters at varying strengths it would cost you at least $600 with a reputable brand. Then add on the variability. Then add on the Vintage inspired looks.
I had an idea an year ago and I came up with Sony E mount lenses mod that can change the optics. What I did was to mount the lens on a simple macro tube with contacts to keep the AF and all functionality and to counter the macro focus I ordered negative diopter lenses from the local optics (where they make glasses) so I will be able to focus on portraits, not only macro. The optics go crazy in a very similar way. But I keep the AF, those adapters will have AF on E mount only for stills, in video they will not work...
This adapter has optical lens elements inside of it. It's not a filter and it's not an empty lens-less macro tube. Essentially it is a calibrated optical product... you can't compare it to putting Vaseline on a clear filter or using a cheap hollow macro tube.
@@Superbustr the optical elements in this adapter are ment to do one thing - correct the aberration and curve the focal plane. It is basically making the lens worse to gain character. Also it is a lottary what you will get from different lenses since they are not designed the same and the adapter can not be designed to work the same with all of them. Do not get me wrong :) I love the idea and I had that in mind for a long time which is why I tried modding my Sony E mount lenses. My only concern is the 2K$ price but I am sure somebody else will do it cheaper sooner or later. And the other problem for me is that on Sony E mount there will be no AF in video.
If comes down to the point, do you want to shoot in camera / in lens for a more organic look or do you want to apply a grade that cannot replicate the look of actual glass? People want the option to have something special or unique to them and getting slightly different looks between Canon L lenses can do that.
@@Superbustr I went with a 1/8 black mist filter from NiSi. Works on all lenses and gets rid of the clean digital look from my Art lenses. They are plenty sharp so no harm done.
For 2000 USD, one can buy 5-7 legendary vintage lenses, that too cine modded in good condition with adapters. Why would anyone in their right mind but these adapters? you'd need your own lenses with it anyway.
People who have a FX9, FX6, and FX3 rigs in addition to people with the latest RF mount cameras would be interested in this adapter I think. This seems to be a product that is geared towards working professionals that already own $10000 worth of kit; not amateur or hobbyist people who own less that $2000.00 worth of all their camera equipment.
@@RedCameraBoss I own a RED V-raptor and I would still prefer to slap a mattebox and Diffusion glass infront of my lens. The price they are asking for an adapter is wayyy wayyy to much!
Now has anyone here shot on super baltars and if so, could they attest to it being like the l1 wide open? Because i was double checking test footage from the baltars and they do not look like that
Very interesting adapter. But imho just an adapter with a gimmick. Why spend 2.000$ or more for a device that gives u just a look. Unfortunately, I don’t think they will sell a lot of them because of the high pricing.
It look too much soft guys. The exemple with the 35mm 1.4L destroy the campain. The picture result is too blury. It remind me when you launched your diffusion filter : firsts models were way overthetop. While the effect might be interesting, it needs to be tone down and to keep the picture somwhat sharp in center. Price point is a hard sell as well. Good luck with your kick starter but I'll pass.
I thin a dumb mount would be a viable option of less money in the future. I do not use auto focus lenses at all. I am more than likely going to get one on the Kickstarter campaign. Looking at it now.
It’s a super interesting product but honestly I don’t think it looks like the lenses they’re trying to imitate. I have a set of Canon FD lenses that looks way closer to the K35 look than this adapter.
Its just a simulation of legacy lenses., Just but cheap m42 lenses. Everyone is going mental looking for a way to get the next best thing. Just go with what you have and a good story. Don't be fooled people. Look inside for the answer.
`For me, these will be most interesting when they add Nikon F to the range. Sony E cameras is okay, but MFT is more interesting longer term. I would like to know more about their roadmap for the future.
That’s extraordinary pricing. I’d pay US$500 tops. But $2000…. don’t make too many units.
Exactly what I was gonna say… I think they took themselves a bit toooo seriously… it’s for EF lens, too. How many people who wants this kind of features and are willing to pay $2k for it are also currently using EF glass with their Sony FE bodies…?
Being that you can get the look of K35s for the price of $2000 and not $135,000, I think they’re going to sell quite a few.
@@gregdirectorofphotography exactly this is a product that already has an audience. I will be buying the l1 this week.
@@zechenwei1139 You would be surprised how many people moved form the canon 5d to sony for mirrorless and they just use their old lenses with adaptors
@@ed61730 Yeah I know, I have a friend who uses a Canon 24-70 L with her FX3, but I don't think that necessarily means people would want to spend $2000 extra on EF "accessories" today since I assume they eventually need to go. IMO, If you are that serious about the look and detail for a production, just rent the arri signature primes with the built-in diopters. Or maybe I'm just ignorant and they will sell a bunch of em.🤷♀
Its a variable black mist filter 😅 wait til smallrig or other brands like neewer and viltrox make a dummy mount and charge WAAAAYYY less and they will be a hit! Moment is out of their minds for a price point of that size $2000 USD for baking in a look x.x
@@Superbustrhuffing copium
Cool concept. L3 is particularly interesting to me, but sadly not for $2000USD. $500 maybe. Hopefully they’re successful and manufacturing can become cheaper.
A 2k adapter should at least have a foot and locking ring for serious use. L2 looks decent, but the other two are way over board, even in their minimum setting.
For the working pro, the question is how often would one need this look. If it’s for a one off job, or even select jobs, perhaps renting the actual lenses would be a better option. If you build your entire reel off this one look, I suppose it would be a justifiable purchase.
The issue of not full frame coverage isn’t really that much a selling point. The lower end pro has access to different camera formats. The high end pros would probably have the budget to get custom solutions to fit whatever the director, DP is looking for.
Maybe it can find a market with rental houses who cannot get their hands on these older lenses. Or the hobbyist with the discretionary income.
It’s good that folks are innovating and trying stuff. Otherwise the industry is stuck with the same old and just incremental spec bumps version to version
From F22 to F2.8 the look is subtle and the adapter can certainly be left on the lens for a whole shoot at these apertures. From f2.8 to F1.4 you get more of the extreme plus look. It is variable so if you are into the small details you can fine tune it with the dial.
which EF lenses would you recommend to use with SONY bodies for this tuner? looking to retain the autofocus if possible
Very nice and clever idea. When you ask 2k you are in PL land. €500 seems the right price for what you offer, i expected 250- 300 to be fair. Its still an effect and not the real thing. You might want to buy 3 to have in your bag but not at 6k. Going trough a budget company with a high end priced product doesnt seem smart. You might want to make up your mind. People rent high end lenses. This adapter is focused on more budget aprouch. Ef lens is probly cheaper then the adapter. Its also for one system lens and camera, so you better not switch down the road. Maybe modelair mounts? At 2k hard no. At 500 you have something going on. Its hard to put a product on the market, but you seem torn up between two segments, pick one. Good luck!
2K for an adapter? LOL save up and buy a good lens instead or buy a cheap vintage lens. This is priced too high for something that would be considered a fad a pose to an industry standard.
A UV filter with some Vaseline smeared on it will give you 80% of this look practically for free
They should do it for L and M mount to be able to use it on lumix and alexa.
I see this as something people would still rent over purchase. It is a cool look but not something that has too many applications outside of what a lens filter can do and has been doing for decades.
I was so close to buy this. Then I found out that far from all lenses are supported. So I got myself a NiSi 1/8 black mist filter. All done, works great and gives some character to my Sigma Art lenses.
It looks super exciting and the intentions behind this product are totally legit. I'm 100% a target for this. But me too, for the price, I'll pass for now, because of too many deceptions with other gadgets. 1000 USD is fairly high for an adapter that hasn't been largely reviewed. And 2000 USD is a commitment price, the kind of money I'd rather save to buy a lens.
It's 2 grand because its not a lens adapter. It's a compact optical tuning device made by Ian Neill, the guy who won 13 oscars and designed the panavision primos.
No Idea why don't get a soft filter, mist filter or cinebloom for the look. They are so many adapter manufactures that are cheap too.
The look is variable. Soft effect and mist filters are only available as straight filters. If you were to buy a set of 4 large front diameter pro mist filters at varying strengths it would cost you at least $600 with a reputable brand. Then add on the variability. Then add on the Vintage inspired looks.
I had an idea an year ago and I came up with Sony E mount lenses mod that can change the optics. What I did was to mount the lens on a simple macro tube with contacts to keep the AF and all functionality and to counter the macro focus I ordered negative diopter lenses from the local optics (where they make glasses) so I will be able to focus on portraits, not only macro. The optics go crazy in a very similar way. But I keep the AF, those adapters will have AF on E mount only for stills, in video they will not work...
This adapter has optical lens elements inside of it. It's not a filter and it's not an empty lens-less macro tube. Essentially it is a calibrated optical product... you can't compare it to putting Vaseline on a clear filter or using a cheap hollow macro tube.
The people most likely to buy these adapters use assistants to pull focus.
@@Superbustr the optical elements in this adapter are ment to do one thing - correct the aberration and curve the focal plane. It is basically making the lens worse to gain character. Also it is a lottary what you will get from different lenses since they are not designed the same and the adapter can not be designed to work the same with all of them.
Do not get me wrong :) I love the idea and I had that in mind for a long time which is why I tried modding my Sony E mount lenses. My only concern is the 2K$ price but I am sure somebody else will do it cheaper sooner or later. And the other problem for me is that on Sony E mount there will be no AF in video.
If comes down to the point, do you want to shoot in camera / in lens for a more organic look or do you want to apply a grade that cannot replicate the look of actual glass?
People want the option to have something special or unique to them and getting slightly different looks between Canon L lenses can do that.
@@Superbustr I went with a 1/8 black mist filter from NiSi. Works on all lenses and gets rid of the clean digital look from my Art lenses. They are plenty sharp so no harm done.
For just $300 more I can buy a BMPCC6K Pro and get built-in ND. Oh, and I’d also get an entire camera! This price is insane.
300?
@@mark12345697 2300 USD total (considering this adapter could be priced at 2K)
For 2000 USD, one can buy 5-7 legendary vintage lenses, that too cine modded in good condition with adapters. Why would anyone in their right mind but these adapters? you'd need your own lenses with it anyway.
People who have a FX9, FX6, and FX3 rigs in addition to people with the latest RF mount cameras would be interested in this adapter I think. This seems to be a product that is geared towards working professionals that already own $10000 worth of kit; not amateur or hobbyist people who own less that $2000.00 worth of all their camera equipment.
@@RedCameraBoss Very true
@@RedCameraBoss I own a RED V-raptor and I would still prefer to slap a mattebox and Diffusion glass infront of my lens. The price they are asking for an adapter is wayyy wayyy to much!
Now has anyone here shot on super baltars and if so, could they attest to it being like the l1 wide open? Because i was double checking test footage from the baltars and they do not look like that
Very interesting adapter. But imho just an adapter with a gimmick. Why spend 2.000$ or more for a device that gives u just a look. Unfortunately, I don’t think they will sell a lot of them because of the high pricing.
Good luck with the pricing.
Was pretty excited until I heard the price.
It look too much soft guys. The exemple with the 35mm 1.4L destroy the campain. The picture result is too blury. It remind me when you launched your diffusion filter : firsts models were way overthetop.
While the effect might be interesting, it needs to be tone down and to keep the picture somwhat sharp in center. Price point is a hard sell as well.
Good luck with your kick starter but I'll pass.
I thin a dumb mount would be a viable option of less money in the future. I do not use auto focus lenses at all. I am more than likely going to get one on the Kickstarter campaign. Looking at it now.
When someone starts spewing justifications before answering price, you know it’s gunna be bad hahaha he knows it’s wayyyy too expensive
mmmmh, sweet noise reduction artifacts. i'll take a bit of background noise over this type of audio any day
The price is prohibitive!!! 🤦🏻♂️
World's first rear mounted variable reartrf😅 😊
Please some give this man a glass of water.
It’s a super interesting product but honestly I don’t think it looks like the lenses they’re trying to imitate. I have a set of Canon FD lenses that looks way closer to the K35 look than this adapter.
Why is this better than filters? Especially in this price range.
Forgetable!
$500 max per adapter cause look at OFX digital filters that are out might not even bother baking that into my look off top
Examples aren’t very good at showing us what they do. Plus they’re way too expensive, feel like your better to buy an aivascope or some vintage glass
PL mount Please
We need these for E mount
Didn’t you watch the video? He mentioned that its only for E-Mount and RF-Mount currently. :D
So yeah, there will be E-Mount
It is for E mount. It is EF lens to E-mount
@@erockvaughn2190 but no E to E
@@Vibrance_Visuals Ahhh okay, now I got ya! That’s true tho
@@erockvaughn2190 just curious but why is that the case
I'm just going to wait until China rips this off and sells it for ~$300. $2000 is just way too expensive imo.
Not for that price
Early bird 50$ would be a good price for that toy.
😂👉🏼🤡
2k ..wtf , ain't getting one soon
I just an adaptor
Its just a simulation of legacy lenses., Just but cheap m42 lenses. Everyone is going mental looking for a way to get the next best thing. Just go with what you have and a good story. Don't be fooled people. Look inside for the answer.
`For me, these will be most interesting when they add Nikon F to the range. Sony E cameras is okay, but MFT is more interesting longer term. I would like to know more about their roadmap for the future.
Even at half that price is prohibitive!!!
I'm not sold on this.
An adapter that cost more than a Budget Anamorphic/Cine lenses? Get out of here!
Dat sum wikkid Baltah.
so crazy , only hipsters with money would buy this..... I would rather buy Blazar Anamorphic Adapter for 900$ and get real anamorphic look
$2,000??? yeah, no.
i smell bs with this one