You know, I don't think I've ever seen Sargon and Carl in the same room... maybe theyre the same person? Nooo thats ridiculous. Like that time I mistook my colleague Clark for Superman. Easy mistake
Iv never seen Carl and Sargon in the same room together. Sargon is Carl's alter ego. He is the slim shady to marshall Mathers. The superman to Clarke Kent.
I was actually just thinking the other day about how he was involved in some sort of online group where people make slings and trade them with each other, and he made a shitty one out of nylon cord and someone from America sent him an absolute masterpiece and he was ashamed of the one he made lol.
I remember most of the old TH-cam. I think my account was made around 2009/2010. The 5 star rating system was such a good feature. I wish they'd return to it. As well as to the lack of censorship.
I had to pause when he said "Audience Engagement" 2 minutes in. I HATE AUDIENCE ENGAGEMENT. If he isn't talking to me directly I don't come to be entertained or to learn stuff to hear my own name. Streams are chock full of random user names interrupting content with chats, superchats, or inane questions so they can get noticed. They don't hold up over the long term either. "Man, I want to rewatch that brokenomics episode" Why? "Oh you know, 16 minutes in a guy named OptimusPrime84 said Hi."
audience engagement creates parasocial followers who crave attention but its detrimental to the content and anyone who doesnt need their existence validated. basically it creates the audience you dont want to have.
Very valid. My channel is and will always be shit, because I'm just kinda shouting incoherently into the void. But I got a better mic and am learning to stfu, so to speak, all puns intended.
"Don't waffle." The problem with this is you assume that any opinion someone has is set in stone. Aren't people supposed to change, especially as they learn more? I never understand this. If you already know their opinion on a thing, why are you even listening? just to hear your own opinion repeated back to you? (actually, yeah, usually). I dunno if I'm just misunderstanding where people come from. _sorry for the upcoming rant:_ It reminds me of people who point to anyone who is successful and call them "grifters" (and talks of politics, ironically, usually -- ironically because they're more likely to actually believe what they say than with content that isn't political)... because really, what's the deal? are you (not you specifically) just jealous that they're successful, that they've figured out this job or just got lucky, that they can make money turning on the camera and recording them talking? Like a Tim Pool is a great example. He's kind of a moron, many mediocre takes, loves his analogies but they're literally the worst you'll ever hear, but he's worked hard at it for 15 years -- VERY hard, got a lot of luck... tbh I never listen anymore unless there's a particularly good guest, but for some reason it's like he's the most hated guy out there. And I swear so much more of it is jealousy than anyone wants to admit --- or some sort of subconscious jealousy they aren't aware of. Because back to "grift": is anyone really complaining that he's making money off of it? that he has a successful business, it's his job? why "grift"? because that's the implication. (And then the other thing I see all the time, usually with that "grift" accusation and/or along the lines of "waffling", is that people are essentially fakes, they're not the real deal, because they only hold 90% of the views you hold, and not 100%. People will say this or that person is a sell-out to some power or another, but what they really mean is "this person is simply not extreme enough for me. I need my content that I get spoonfed to me to be as extremist as possible. I'm sorry, if you say you want to deport them all _but you don't actually think they should all be put on a giant catapult and launched across the border tomorrow_ then you're just a fraud and a liar and you don't really mean it" sort of thing.) *("AND* *I'M* *DONE* *WITH* *HIM* *FOREVER!!")*
Speaking of which, stumbled back onto Armoured Skeptic's stuff a few months back. He's doing much more of that sort of stuff. Some of it was a little fun to listen to. _Very_ inconsistent, though, in a weird way... so many times it seems like he goes from being dead serious about stuff, to obviously screwing around, to relaying straight-up documented facts, to taking what you think are his serious conspiratorial positions because they make sense, to then denying others that make sense and taking up ones that make no sense... it's all over the place, inconsistent, but still was some pretty good tinfoil hat material.
I got to know Sargon through the Drunken Peasants podcast back in the day, everybody got along and agreed this new wave of feminism was an issue, not something that would happen nowadays as Tj and the guys on there have shifted to the authoritarian left.
They've shown their hand is more like it. For instance, the amazing atheist always sympathized with Obamacare, if that doesn't show you how far off the scale he always was, nothing will.
*My channel pre-dates the Google buyout* , and my first upload was on my previous channel (whose password I lost decades ago) back in May of 2006 (my first upload on this channel was in September of 2006, but I had to delete it). I've had to delete a LOT of content from the early days for those about to browse through my channel. The pre-buy-out days were a REAL "wild west" days of TH-cam, *_and it was awesome_* , especially, like me, if you had a director's account, which gave you all kinds of privileges Google didn't know existed until way after the buyout (when they sent me a VERY angry email from one of their staffers, targetted at specifically me and not just some blanket corpo mass-email...God I wish I saved that email). There were no ads _at all_ , the algorithm directed you to the most popular videos regardless of political persuasion or offensiveness, and abslutely _anything_ could be uploaded. TH-cam pre-buy-out didn't care to manage content, because they had a ratings system that essentially buried your video into the depths of oblivion of you got a ton of shit ratings. Yes, you read that right, there used to be a "5 star" system of ratings, you could sort by star rating, and it was built into every icon, so you could immediately tell if a video was good or shite. There was no money involved whatsoever, so if you wanted to get a ton of views, you HAD to put out a good video, and garnering even 1,000 views was a big deal. There also was no live-streaming, so if you wanted to get lots of views and a high rating........YOU HAD TO PUT OUT A GOOD VIDEO. You could change your home page background to a completely different color than the standard white/black, or, if you were really fancy, you could upload an image for the background. Hell, in the earliest days, TH-cam didn't even GAF about copyright infringements or nudity, so long as the nudity came with some sort of warning for the viewer. There was no Google involvement whatsoever, so you had to login directly to TH-cam itself. The only downside is that if you started that early, you didn't get the "new channel boost" that Google implemented much later, or the "uploads regularly" algorithm boost either because you had to have done that from the get-go for it to average out just right, and nobody in 2005/2006 was uploading daily/weekly videos because it was way too hard back then, and 480i was DVD-quality back then.
I remember most of this. Especially the 5 star rating system was such a good feature. I wish they'd return to it. As well as to the lack of censorship.
youtubes thing with punishing content creaters because youtube doesn't understand things or takes it the wrong way comes across as insanity or that youtube is insane.
The fanny bots have made their way into here, which is funny because their comments are all about women caraderie and sisterhood. Under a lotuseaters video. Where we have like 6 women max.
There's no such thing as "the sisterhood". Women are in constant competition, there's not a "Sisters before misters" movement, we'll backstab one another without hesitation. - 1 of 6 women... 7, sorry.
Why do I watch it all? Good audio, good topics and most importantly the people. You both, Beau, Callum, Connor and Calvin (no disrespect to the others) are my absolute favourite people to listen to regarding current topics
Lol, try telling a Scottish, Northern Irish or Welshman they're Anglo Saxon 😂 British can mean lots of ethnicities. Lots of English are Norman. Anglo Saxon is its own thing.
While I sound like a broken record it still worth repeating, The FCC repealed the Net Neutrality Act December 2017 and this was the legal mechanism that prevented platforms form having explicit publisher control. TH-cam didn't just decide to flick the switch up until that point they were just fighting with one had tied behind there back they could only get away with the clandestine stuff like they did up till that point. Yeah sometimes stuff happens for really boring a longwinded reasons and isn't just some reflexive response no matter how much it may seem like it. Also TH-cam started posting profits in 2014 and according to google was beginning to be profitable around 2010. Your personal story side of things is interesting but we are attributing events to a simplistic reactionary machine when in fact giants think and move very slowly so they have to plan ahead to make an impact, you were on their radars as an undesirable long before your channel got stripped of ad revenue. they had to wait for regulation to change and when it did they moved on you, before you go yeah but TH-cam is not Patreon and are bound by different regulation from a completely separate regulatory body. Yes Bureaucracy is a quagmire and obtrusive bitch doesn't mean you have to let it lock you down from not understanding its inner workings though.
It's kinda sad that Sargon of Akkad was the real and relatable person who was just commenting on the weird new things that were being forced upon him as he was just trying to live his life, while Carl Benjamin is his online persona desperately trying to be taken seriously as a public intellectual.
Recently a lot of YT'ers have sucked in viewers with a busty Sidney Sweeny in their thumbnail, even when it has nothing to do with her. 😂 That being said, I prefer things that are either short and to the point, or a long interview style.
I miss "This week in stupid"
One of the best episodes was one week when he let Dank do the episode instead.
Dank had more hair then, and was a slimmer man.
Cant believe you guys finally got Sargon on, can’t wait to see him on the full Podcast with Carl
You know, I don't think I've ever seen Sargon and Carl in the same room... maybe theyre the same person? Nooo thats ridiculous. Like that time I mistook my colleague Clark for Superman. Easy mistake
Who would win in a debate? Sargon and his Liberalist wisdom or Carl and his Dadist common sense?
@@cornbreadisbetterthanpizza6866 man, thats a tough one
Iv never seen Carl and Sargon in the same room together. Sargon is Carl's alter ego. He is the slim shady to marshall Mathers. The superman to Clarke Kent.
Easily sargon he would skip the debate and give him an Akkadian conquest
Who remembers when sargon was making a bronze sword those were the good old day's
I was thinking of that the other day. I'd like to see him revisit some of K. Winters' arguments.
@@peterhineinlegen4672 man i had completly forgotten she even exists.
she just screams Karen personified. real obnoxious person.
What about his necromancer game?
I member
I was actually just thinking the other day about how he was involved in some sort of online group where people make slings and trade them with each other, and he made a shitty one out of nylon cord and someone from America sent him an absolute masterpiece and he was ashamed of the one he made lol.
I wondered who this Akkad guy was my son was listening to and snooped a bit. Almost 10 years later, still here.
Good boy. 👍🏻
That's how the right wing grift sucks you in. Joking!
Thank God it wasn't NSFW steam titles!
@@daemonsilver3304 Glad to see the boy was leaning edge lord than fedora-tipping soy boy. Small blessings
Deep cover. What secrets have you learned?
I remember most of the old TH-cam.
I think my account was made around 2009/2010.
The 5 star rating system was such a good feature. I wish they'd return to it. As well as to the lack of censorship.
I had to pause when he said "Audience Engagement" 2 minutes in. I HATE AUDIENCE ENGAGEMENT. If he isn't talking to me directly I don't come to be entertained or to learn stuff to hear my own name. Streams are chock full of random user names interrupting content with chats, superchats, or inane questions so they can get noticed. They don't hold up over the long term either. "Man, I want to rewatch that brokenomics episode" Why? "Oh you know, 16 minutes in a guy named OptimusPrime84 said Hi."
audience engagement creates parasocial followers who crave attention but its detrimental to the content and anyone who doesnt need their existence validated.
basically it creates the audience you dont want to have.
Which is why I babble incoherently as if I have no audience. Well, partly because I have no audience.
They never get Sargon on the lotus eaters enough
Blokenomics
How to keep me listening to a podcast. 1) Good audio. 2) Don't waffle.
I can forgive 1) if it’s a small audience and they adhere to 2) but they’re expected to invest in a better mic as the income gets better.
Very valid. My channel is and will always be shit, because I'm just kinda shouting incoherently into the void. But I got a better mic and am learning to stfu, so to speak, all puns intended.
Tim Poole, I like when he gets to the point but he has 20 minutes of waffle in a 29 minute video.
"Don't waffle."
The problem with this is you assume that any opinion someone has is set in stone. Aren't people supposed to change, especially as they learn more? I never understand this. If you already know their opinion on a thing, why are you even listening? just to hear your own opinion repeated back to you? (actually, yeah, usually).
I dunno if I'm just misunderstanding where people come from.
_sorry for the upcoming rant:_
It reminds me of people who point to anyone who is successful and call them "grifters" (and talks of politics, ironically, usually -- ironically because they're more likely to actually believe what they say than with content that isn't political)...
because really, what's the deal? are you (not you specifically) just jealous that they're successful, that they've figured out this job or just got lucky, that they can make money turning on the camera and recording them talking? Like a Tim Pool is a great example. He's kind of a moron, many mediocre takes, loves his analogies but they're literally the worst you'll ever hear, but he's worked hard at it for 15 years -- VERY hard, got a lot of luck... tbh I never listen anymore unless there's a particularly good guest, but for some reason it's like he's the most hated guy out there.
And I swear so much more of it is jealousy than anyone wants to admit --- or some sort of subconscious jealousy they aren't aware of.
Because back to "grift": is anyone really complaining that he's making money off of it? that he has a successful business, it's his job? why "grift"? because that's the implication.
(And then the other thing I see all the time, usually with that "grift" accusation and/or along the lines of "waffling", is that people are essentially fakes, they're not the real deal, because they only hold 90% of the views you hold, and not 100%. People will say this or that person is a sell-out to some power or another, but what they really mean is "this person is simply not extreme enough for me. I need my content that I get spoonfed to me to be as extremist as possible. I'm sorry, if you say you want to deport them all _but you don't actually think they should all be put on a giant catapult and launched across the border tomorrow_ then you're just a fraud and a liar and you don't really mean it" sort of thing.) *("AND* *I'M* *DONE* *WITH* *HIM* *FOREVER!!")*
Conspiracy TH-cam was the best TH-cam...
Speaking of which, stumbled back onto Armoured Skeptic's stuff a few months back. He's doing much more of that sort of stuff. Some of it was a little fun to listen to. _Very_ inconsistent, though, in a weird way... so many times it seems like he goes from being dead serious about stuff, to obviously screwing around, to relaying straight-up documented facts, to taking what you think are his serious conspiratorial positions because they make sense, to then denying others that make sense and taking up ones that make no sense... it's all over the place, inconsistent, but still was some pretty good tinfoil hat material.
@@TransRoofKorean nah, I'd rather just watch AJ over on the Why Files.
I'm liking Dan's interview style, he's really no bs.
I don't see why Alphabet has proclaimed a hate-on for Nazism. They sure love Ukraine...
Can't believe I've been watching Carl for over 10 years now
Do you think Kevin Logan still watches
I got to know Sargon through the Drunken Peasants podcast back in the day, everybody got along and agreed this new wave of feminism was an issue, not something that would happen nowadays as Tj and the guys on there have shifted to the authoritarian left.
Shifted is putting it mildly...
They've shown their hand is more like it. For instance, the amazing atheist always sympathized with Obamacare, if that doesn't show you how far off the scale he always was, nothing will.
*My channel pre-dates the Google buyout* , and my first upload was on my previous channel (whose password I lost decades ago) back in May of 2006 (my first upload on this channel was in September of 2006, but I had to delete it). I've had to delete a LOT of content from the early days for those about to browse through my channel.
The pre-buy-out days were a REAL "wild west" days of TH-cam, *_and it was awesome_* , especially, like me, if you had a director's account, which gave you all kinds of privileges Google didn't know existed until way after the buyout (when they sent me a VERY angry email from one of their staffers, targetted at specifically me and not just some blanket corpo mass-email...God I wish I saved that email). There were no ads _at all_ , the algorithm directed you to the most popular videos regardless of political persuasion or offensiveness, and abslutely _anything_ could be uploaded. TH-cam pre-buy-out didn't care to manage content, because they had a ratings system that essentially buried your video into the depths of oblivion of you got a ton of shit ratings. Yes, you read that right, there used to be a "5 star" system of ratings, you could sort by star rating, and it was built into every icon, so you could immediately tell if a video was good or shite. There was no money involved whatsoever, so if you wanted to get a ton of views, you HAD to put out a good video, and garnering even 1,000 views was a big deal. There also was no live-streaming, so if you wanted to get lots of views and a high rating........YOU HAD TO PUT OUT A GOOD VIDEO. You could change your home page background to a completely different color than the standard white/black, or, if you were really fancy, you could upload an image for the background. Hell, in the earliest days, TH-cam didn't even GAF about copyright infringements or nudity, so long as the nudity came with some sort of warning for the viewer. There was no Google involvement whatsoever, so you had to login directly to TH-cam itself.
The only downside is that if you started that early, you didn't get the "new channel boost" that Google implemented much later, or the "uploads regularly" algorithm boost either because you had to have done that from the get-go for it to average out just right, and nobody in 2005/2006 was uploading daily/weekly videos because it was way too hard back then, and 480i was DVD-quality back then.
Ah, the memories. I remember watching Zoo Tycoon videos as a wee lad in 2007, and now I'm 24 and it's near unrecognisable lmao.
I remember most of this.
Especially the 5 star rating system was such a good feature. I wish they'd return to it. As well as to the lack of censorship.
They've boomered the audio again 😂
At least we know that the end times is not here yet.
Wherever Carl floats there tech breaks down. It's a power and a curse
"May your audio be fuzzy and peaking" Ancient Boomer Curse
Bring back cozy Carl home streams
Thanks for Lotus Eaters to give visibility to smaller content creators like Sargon of Akkad !
AY UP LOTUS EATERS
YAY!
Something is off with the sound. Please fix it.
youtubes thing with punishing content creaters because youtube doesn't understand things or takes it the wrong way comes across as insanity or that youtube is insane.
It's been like this since 2010 though lmao.
Its organic carl just happened to be the one
The fanny bots have made their way into here, which is funny because their comments are all about women caraderie and sisterhood. Under a lotuseaters video. Where we have like 6 women max.
Fannytron says: *Gynocentric comment here*
I've made my girlfriend watch a couple of episodes. So 7 now, you're welcome 😆
There's no such thing as "the sisterhood". Women are in constant competition, there's not a "Sisters before misters" movement, we'll backstab one another without hesitation.
- 1 of 6 women... 7, sorry.
We need a series. "Sermons from the book of Dadism" with Carl
TH-cam was founded in 2005, and acquired by Google in 2006.
First time I was introduced to Sargon was a clip of him talking about the famous Alex Jones 'turning the frogs gay' incident 😂
Why do I watch it all? Good audio, good topics and most importantly the people. You both, Beau, Callum, Connor and Calvin (no disrespect to the others) are my absolute favourite people to listen to regarding current topics
You mind opening the comments on the great replacement video?
If TH-cam has strongarmed you into closing them at least put it in the description.
Who are the Anglo Saxons why don’t they just say English or British
Because England is a nation and Anglo Saxon’s are the people for example some one can be English but not Anglo Saxon
Lol, try telling a Scottish, Northern Irish or Welshman they're Anglo Saxon 😂
British can mean lots of ethnicities. Lots of English are Norman.
Anglo Saxon is its own thing.
I wonder if Kevin Logan still watches
I want the Lotus Eaters to invite Count Binface for an interview.
Maybe agree a script with the count in advance.
@accelerationquanta5816 Who he?
No.
Nobody wants another leftist pretending to be anti-establishment in a cool and hip fashion.
I wonder if Kevin Logan still spergs at Sargons videos
why those video have such low views? is it shadowbanned?
While I sound like a broken record it still worth repeating, The FCC repealed the Net Neutrality Act December 2017 and this was the legal mechanism that prevented platforms form having explicit publisher control. TH-cam didn't just decide to flick the switch up until that point they were just fighting with one had tied behind there back they could only get away with the clandestine stuff like they did up till that point. Yeah sometimes stuff happens for really boring a longwinded reasons and isn't just some reflexive response no matter how much it may seem like it.
Also TH-cam started posting profits in 2014 and according to google was beginning to be profitable around 2010. Your personal story side of things is interesting but we are attributing events to a simplistic reactionary machine when in fact giants think and move very slowly so they have to plan ahead to make an impact, you were on their radars as an undesirable long before your channel got stripped of ad revenue. they had to wait for regulation to change and when it did they moved on you, before you go yeah but TH-cam is not Patreon and are bound by different regulation from a completely separate regulatory body. Yes Bureaucracy is a quagmire and obtrusive bitch doesn't mean you have to let it lock you down from not understanding its inner workings though.
Keeping the audience listening, is simple: Just add quintessence 😛
What's happened to all your videos, guys?
one of their guests said a YT no-no and they got banished to rumble, temporarily ( ? )
It's kinda sad that Sargon of Akkad was the real and relatable person who was just commenting on the weird new things that were being forced upon him as he was just trying to live his life, while Carl Benjamin is his online persona desperately trying to be taken seriously as a public intellectual.
He figured he made as much of a difference as he could as one. Now he's trying the other.
Ultimately they are both him.
Recently a lot of YT'ers have sucked in viewers with a busty Sidney Sweeny in their thumbnail, even when it has nothing to do with her. 😂
That being said, I prefer things that are either short and to the point, or a long interview style.
Try interviewing somebody that a) wants to be interviewed and b) was a podcaster.