And this isn't even the first time with Sir Charles, although it's on this specific genre. Even with historical nicks and jokes he has tremendous influence, to the dismay of the bums having to face the reality he brings (any future player a-la Kyrie and a-la AD won't ever have to face the check of being and acting like ''half-man half-a-season'' and ''street clothes'', or Mr ''triple single'' with Ben Simmons and Donkey, commentators just aren't built like that anymore, just like coaches, at least not coaches and commentators in their current era).
That was like Skip and the front-runner comment. It's not a new term but everyone on Twitter started using it immediately, when I had never seen it used before that lol. Jargon spreads like wildfire
Imagine if Charles Barkley joined Jordan and Pippen in Chicago after losing to them in the ‘93 finals. Unthinkable back then. It’s just a different time.
The end of this clip hit the nail on the head. I grew up watching in the 80s and 90s and the game was about giving EVERY fan their money's worth. That's it, plain and simple. I pay X dollars to be entertained by my favorite player and wait MONTHS to go to that game. Probably spend Hundreds of dollars for a family of 4 to see that game. Make the drive to the arena and then I find out my fav player is ON THE BENCH because of "load management". The owners won't shorten the season, the players don't want to burn out, the fans suffer.
Shortening the season is equal to adding a four point line and would alienate me as a 90s fan even further…I can live with 40 3s a game and no D played but flopping antics,guys sitting out contacts to force their will or games for load management is ruining the sport! If it wasn‘t for silver linings like Luka,Ja or Booker I‘d lose hope…
Then proceeds to cry when their team is injury ridden. The game has moved faster therefore injuries come faster. Fast pace doesn't always go smoothly, everything has a price. Let's just be thankful and be entertained and stop pretending like the NBA revolved solely around fans, if so NBA should've been bankrupt long ago, all their money relied on cry babies
Well thanks doctor…I agree that faster movement may result in worse injuries-one could argue that handchecking may cause lesser collision above the rim i.e. But I‘d say fans do make or break a sport unless you wanna play a world cup in quatar for some oligarchs…
It was pathetic. I couldn't believe it when I heard the news he was going there. Durant used to be maybe my favorite player in OKC. Gets no respect now. Especially much less leaving Brooklyn how he is.
@@marcuscarpenter7230 lol he deserves all the hate. He choose to leave gsw when he knows it's done for and choose to team up with kyrie,harden. Imagine if Kd win championship last year. It will tainted curry legacy.
Chuck is a national television treasure. Charles Barkley was undoubtedly a powerful force. Sir Charles is a career any pro basketball player should try.
No he isn't he is what a group of white men in a room said this is who we want to laugh at as a black man.He isn't intelligent lost as a player and is trash as a person period time for a mic check.
Charles was actually giving KD his props; he said "Until KD wins a championship as the bus driver he won't get the respect from the oldheads that he probably deserves", which means he's saying KD deserves his respect for those championships. He's just speaking facts in regards to others giving that respect.
@@jokidding3414 chuck is highly regarded despite him being ringless, its the media and fans that are about the ring culture exclusively, chipsnisnt the only way to become great, casuals have bought into the media narratives about and thats the whole conversation now
To act like KD didn’t take a surprisingly easy route to rings.. then.. people don’t like the truth. If you look at the games.. you see who Cleveland was worried about the most🤷🏾♂️💯
To act like KD didn’t take a surprisingly easy route to rings.. then.. people don’t like the truth. If you look at the games.. you see who Cleveland was worried about the most🤷🏾♂️💯
@@camerondaley6902 Well, he did win one with the Cavs, and he was undoubtely the best player on the team. You can look at the team record before Lebron decided to "go back home", and after. KD took a paycut to join 73 win team on which his squad had 3-1 drop in WCF the year before he joined them. Plus they won a title shortly *before* he got there, and shortly *after* he left, with the same core group of Steph, Klay & Draymond.
Curry literally accommodated KDs play style. He passed the ball to KD most of the time. KD is an awesome player he can he a menace. But Sir Charles was right KD needs to win a ring to show that he can do it alone just like steph proved it with this championship
How many times did LeBron James beatdown Kyle Lowry? How many people criticized him to leave? It's just Kyle couldn't get it done with DeRozan. Kyle's ring is worth more than KD's 2 rings. KD joined a 73-9 team. Kyle stayed despite the beatdowns administered by LeBron James. And his patience and loyalty was rewarded.
Yea not like Lowry got blessed with a far better teammate who’s a top 20 player all time or anything lol, then in one season with that way better teammate won immediately you had any comparison to make and you choose Kyle Lowry lol
@@aranakenny6075 And the Warriors wouldn't have won if Kawhi wasn't injured in 2017, which the Warriors purposely caused. And what about 2015, when Kyrie and Kevin were injured in the Finals? And even with the injuries, they were still heavily favoured to sweep and beat us. So don't be a hypocrite.
@@Crow5537 Yeah. I chose Kyle because he proved that you don't need to be named LeBron James, Kevin Durant or Steph Curry to win it all. That means something to us Raptors fans.
Broooooo, we all know KD is a great player. Chuck never denied that. But to be considered top 10 all-time (RESPECT), he needs to be the bus driver. Simple as that! Right now, there is a huge gap between him and the likes of Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and Curry. SMH
Steph is not a better player than KD. Steph has no defense no post game he just has handles and he has vision and a shot but when his shot off he has nothing he plays to soft when you put a aggressive defender on him he doesn't play that well . KD has no weaknesses on the court period.
Actually I played basketball in college and I watch every game obviously you know nothing because clearly he can't guard a Westbrook a Harden or any real name point guard he is a liability plus he has holes in his offensive game. KD has no weakness on the court so what are you watching. Maybe your delusional.
@@playboyofdacentury6215 anyone who remotely thinks Steph is a better player than KD is a hater or biased fan or both. Legacy-wise we know it’s Steph, but a better all-round player, it’s not close. So don’t pay these haters any mind
KD needs to stop responding to every ounce of criticism he receives. You are quite literally one of the all time greats, it comes with the territory. Either accept it or retire. All this back and forth makes you look insecure and taints your legacy.
Do you know how much criticism he gets daily? Just coz he responds to a few don’t mean he’s just at his phone responding to everything. And he responds to anybody.
@@hueyfreeman5509 if you a real basketball fan you respect this man as one of the greatest. No matter how he did it he still has 2 finals mvps. And this from an okc fan bro
Steph didn't get that much more freedom because of KD. He was still getting double teamed regardless. Maybe a couple of shots he was more open but the defence have been consistently throwing bodies and double teams to him for a long time.
@@zuhayrakhan That wasn't the question in the video. Obviously Steph benefitted from KD joining but my point is he didn't get as many free looks as KD did because of Steph.
Chuck wasn’t lying. Golden state wasn’t his team, it was stephs. Yes kd averaged big numbers in those finals, but when you’re playing with Klay and steph you aren’t gonna be double teamed so they kept feeding kd
Steph and klay do not require a double team. It's just these young players were not taught how to gaurd a pick and role. They don't play defense. KD is still a player that requires a part time double.
@@KrisGarland yep especially since draymond will be his replacement adn he actually fits in with the rest, plus he would have a different outlook on the game compared to the rest
I agree with Charles and Shaq. I grew up watching the 90s era of basketball. And as young adolescent, I was dumbfounded to see how hard they played every possession. It was also incredible to see teams compete and regardless of one team losing, they wouldn't switch sides. To be honest with everyone, everything was amazing when I grew up. From basketball to baseball to football to tennis to wrestling. Everyone seemed eager to compete. It was about the respect for the game. So I do understand where Chuck, Shaq, and many considered old school players come from. I love KD as a player but it's true, he did the easy way. He literally put together a team in 2K and destroyed everyone lol Excuse me rambling but great take!
KD is one of the all-time greats, for sure. I mean, he wouldn't be included in the NBA top 75 if he isn't. But what makes his legacy strange is that he is weirdly sensitive and insecure. When you're a star, everybody will try to throw stones at you. But are you gonna throw those stones back? No. Prove them wrong. Just do your job. Less talk, more work. One best example is Curry. He's been a topic of every criticism but he doesn't react through words. He poves them wrong through his game. I think KD needs someone, like a friend, who will constantly remind him when he reacts horribly to criticism.
Stop it. Curry hasn’t even been close to receiving the same criticism that KD has. No one hates on curry for missing the playoffs the past 2 seasons, but still bash KD for getting swept in the first round. Even though he was a toe nail away from sending the eventual champs home just last year. This is the modern age. If KD wants to speak up for himself then let him. What’s wrong with being sensitive? He lives basketball and everyone who knows him confirms this. To say he needs to put in more work is like telling someone they need to eat food to survive.
@@aranakenny6075 Nobody hated on Steph cuz they ignored him when KD left. Everyone believed he couldn't win without KD. Nobody had GSW as contenders, they were an afterthought. KD on the other hand tried to make an iso superteam that everyone touted as a chip contender. Lakers vs Nets in the finals, remember?
Kd knows deep inside he’s never gonna get the props he want cuz he ran from adversity and the worst move at that ontop of tgat his sports illustrated article he said it feels so good walkin in the arena knowing I don’t have to take the last shot that’s not a top dog to me that’s a weak link
It still bothers me how these analysts are saying KD was the bus driver and doesn’t need to win another chip outside of GSW to cement his legacy… but Kobe and Steph had to win one outside of Shaq/KD to cement their legacy? Make it make sense!! KD would have 0 without Steph and Steph would have 2… come on man
Whoever has publicly said that about Steph is out of their mind because he already has won one without KD. Now, going forward, if people say he needs to win one without Klay, I think thats interesting but not fair. Imo in today's NBA, or any era really, you need at least one other elite level player minimum to win a title, along with deep bench, coaching, etc etc.
KD and Kyrie are pretty much the same ppl…emotionally they seem soft and their logic to certain situations are crazy. They both left beautiful situations for selfish reasons. Steph should be given so much credit for not letting his ego get in the way
You can just tell by the way he’s attacking people that Kevin Durant is insecure with his career. He knows going to Golden State was a mistake legacy wise unfortunately for him that’s going to be with him for the rest of his career unless he wins the championship somewhere else
3 years, 2 championships, and lots of money. Not a mistake. I think people care about this stuff more now, but it won't matter when he retires and almost a billionaire.
@@NaturalLemon KD moved to the Bay area to make a Billion... One of the things he did/started while he was there was a Venture Capital Company...He investing in startups with the possibility of selling in the future when they become profitable...Some companies don't make a profit and the owners are still billionaires All he needs is right tech company to explode at the Stock market and he is a instant Billionaire White folks hustle that many blacks don't know about nor can afford to do...Kobe, Curry and Lebron do the same thing.
@@eduardoarancibia169 he would’ve still won if he went to the Spurs. They still had a healthy Kawahi at that point, and plus a really deep roster. There are also quite a few other teams he would’ve turned into championship contenders. He didn’t have to go to GSW to win, it was a wimpy move.
There's very little precedent in history of an elite player joining a championship team. That's what KD did. It'd be like Karl Malone joining Chicago. Like Nash joining Lakers. KD ain't a fighter that's why he gets no respect.
I agree with you but might I just point out that Nash did in fact join the Lakers... (We all know how that turned out, but at the time they were considered a superteam)
@@daveclark8337 How did they treat him? Were they supposed to show gratitude to a dude that left to the team that knocked them out? They were up 3-1 on the Warriors.
Finally someone actually said it thank you Shaq everyone gives KD credit when he really wasn’t need it to begin with, he was a luxury for the warriors. All the disrespect Curry be getting for actually taking a step back and making Durant look good it’s crazy. That’s why Durant has accomplished so much after he left.
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby I forgot to mention Bogut was a vv crucial and underrated player to that team with his screens on offence and his rebounding, and after he went down you can see the points in paint just skyrocketed.
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby By no means am I making excuses for that series loss, it was all time performances from Lebron which cemented his legacy and warriors choked in the final minutes of game 7 but lets not act like they were 100% going to win another or have a 3peat. A Kyrieless Boston with Rookie Jayson tatum and an Indiana team which wouldn't even make the playoffs if they were in the west both took Lebron to game 7's and we seen what Steph do with this Warriors team which is the weakest team out of the 8 finals they've been to. (Unless you count that team that was on the court for game 6 2019 finals after klay got injured, that team was trash).
@@Crow5537 It's no coincidence that Wiggins played great alongside the same core players that earned KD the MVP awards. How did KD do against the same Boston team with a different cast? 0-4
The only knock on KD is that he joined the same team that just beat him, but that's a huge knock. If he never did that and won with anyone other than the warriors or lebron, everyone would love him. He made a poor choice an he's gotta live with that.
That's not the knock. The knock is that he wasn't indispensable for the warriors to win those titles. You can't say there is no way the warriors wouldn't have won without him. They were easy rings
@@rocktor1987 The Warriors themselves say he was indispensable. Draymond says they would not have won without KD. So there's no knock. And that's what frustrates KD; it's the people who don't get it who are driving the narrative.
He joined a 73-9 team that he had down 3-1. If only he had some of the moxie that Clay has. Go back and look at those games it was clay who hit big shot after shots to get them back into those games when they were behind. He expressed through his body language, attitude and facial expressions he was fighting hard for the wins. Durant got the ball time and time again in those games to bring it in, close it out, do what Magic, Bird, Jordan and Isiah has done time and time again he failed. I think he has persona flaw. The same flaw that prevented him from the close out is the same flaw that made him think it was okay to go to a 73-9 team who came back and beat him after having them down 3-1. He has the height and the physical gifts but the defect is in his head
The messed up part is KD’s, Hardens, AD’s are ruining it for the next generation to keep getting the contracts with forcing teams to trade you while under contract. KD should be humble and pay homage to players before him, he’s on the back of Barkley, Shaq etc.
These athletes can tell these older guys that they are just jealous and old heads all they want but thats just fallacy and erroneous. It comes down to credibility. These superstar team ups diminish the credibility of their talent. It quite literally is no different than an athlete that takes steroids. Look at McGuire/Sosa summer of chasing home-run record. All that accomplishment and athletic credibility diminished by finding out they were juiced. Being a great player and going to a 73 win team with the best shooters in NBA history diminishes the credibility of any accomplishment because it begs the question but could he do it without the best players in the league. Same with McGuire/Sosa, could they have had that summer without juice. And honestly, the answer to both questions is clearly NO!
taking steroids is not allowed players joining each other is not it's called basketball. I don't want to play with guys who are inferior, and the opposing team is able to do the same to win so it's not unfair.
@@ryanr20091 No one is saying it was unfair, they're saying KD made the weakest free agent move in NBA history (by a top 5 player) by joining the 73-9 team that beat him. Chuck is right. Unless KD wins another ring, without a superteam, he's not even in the Lebron/Jordan, goat conversation
@@ryanr20091 missing the point. its about giving yourself an unfair competitive advantage. also no one is saying he has to play with bad players in the nba there is plenty of talent that arent in the top 5 players in the league. I mean steph just proved that this year and giannis proved it last year. point is kd racking up wins with an all-star team diminishes the accomplishment. get on a team put yourself in the drivers seat and surround yourself with talented role players then win a chip and we can talk
@@intoxicateddaze2864 No you don't understand how ''perception'' works. First of all top 5 all that stuff is subjective and if the players listened to the media and fans on whom they should play with their heads would explode on which players they ought to play with . They are allowed via free agency which grants players autonomy to make the right choice instead of relying on organizations to dictate your length of time , I see nothing wrong with that because the teams that are supposed to win don't always become champions . Its all fair and within rules stop bitching and complaining about individual rights
I never thought Steph would be the one to take up the Jordan mantle but he has. He is the only one of these modern players that has consistently won on the same team.
For once, I agree with Barkley. I've always liked KD, but his only rings came from joining a team that already won championships and was 73-9 before he got there. KD got swept by the Celtics and is now looking to go to another "Ready Made Team"??? No respect if he does!
Not true@@jblev736. Lebron's teams were at the bottom before he got there and he turned them into champions. Not the case with KD. Seems KD is trying to take the easy way out.
@@kelvikelv5322 your response shows you didn’t actually read and/or comprehend my comment. Lebron +wade +bosh is a super team. Lebron chose that. Lebron + kyrie + love = super team. He literally only builds super teams. Durant also made a superteam.
KD and the players of today wouldn’t be making the ridiculous amounts of money they do today if it wasn’t for their ‘basketball ancestors’. The lack of respect and self-awareness is absurd.
Chuck's right. Sure KD was the reason that they won in the Finals, but the team had previously broke the record for most wins in a season so it doesn't matter.
One of my issues with KD is that him going to GSW knocked out competitive balance. And I respect him for winning those titles and those Finals MVP's. But man, not all championships are created equal and I think KD has to realize that. The end of the segment was the drop mic for me.
LeFlop joining Wade and Bosh set the tone for superteams. If you want to point your finger at someone, its them. They ruined the NBA. No more loyalty, just chips.
@@LordArrack1 I remember LeBron joining Wade and Bosh, and I thought wow this is the new era so I was excited lakers were getting cp3 but it never happened. They robbed us from a potential LeBron vs Kobe finals.
@@LordArrack1 actually it was the 08 Celtics that set the tone for super teams. Also Lebron didn’t join a championship team, without a player of Lebrons caliber those heat teams don’t make it to the finals. All the Warriors needed was a solid starter to replace the 5 of 32 Harrison Barnes, not a KD caliber player. Look at what the Warriors just did with Wiggins.
@@MarkLeel yall mfs forever make excuses for Bron. 😂 Miami was the first PLAYER-CREATED Superteam. Regardless of your wordsmith attempt, they were THREE franchise players/all stars joining together on one team. Wade was a top 5 player, still, when Bron went. LeBron stacked the deck, just like KD did. KD just went to a built team instead of orchestrating with a bunch of other stars to team up. 😑
The main difference between then and now is that theres more top level offensive talent to go around. Back in the 1990s there were maybe 6 guys who could lead an offence alone. Now, there's enough for every team to have at least one of these guys. It's literally impossible for "stars" to not play together. Now, 2 op 3 plays on one roster is a bit different. But the era is so much deeper individually now.
I understood where Barkley was coming from, and I also understood where KD was coming from. It's a generational issue. But, I do believe what I believed 5-6 years ago that KD went to the Warriors because he didn't want to end up like Barkley, Miller, Malone, and Penny.
Have you ever heard MJs interview after he won his first championship? They asked him what was the sense of fullfillment after winning the championship "I wanted to get here, If I never got here I would never be dissapointed of my career" that's why the old heads say this era is soft, Shaq said it best they wanted to compete. KD got his championships either way but the respect from the all time greats apparently is not there and KD doesn't embrace criticism
@@sebastianvasco3087 That MJ point is interesting, but I also believe he wouldn't have the same opinion if he never managed to win the championship. If you're a great player you are constantly reminded that you never won it, you don't belong in the same class as your rival peers because they won it. Think about it, no matter how great a player might play as long as they don't have a championship they are either forgotten or disrespected. This has been the case for every player in any era! Also, I believe people never criticize KDs game but everything apart from that which they don't have the right to do as per their job description. KD is not perfect but he challenges everyone who does call him out for dumb reasons like you to need to be the bus driver or whatnot.
@@zuhayrakhan Yeah I guess KD didn’t want to face that criticism, didn’t embrace adversity, blew a 3-1 lead, joined the team that beat him and went the easy route I mean they basically swept everybody their first year together and that’s why almost everybody is putting an asterisk to his championships. Like I mentioned before Shaq said it best in their era they wanted to compete KD didn’t
KD didn’t have to go to the Warriors to win he could’ve gone to the Spurs. There were also a few other teams he would’ve turned into championship contenders if he had joined them.
@@zuhayrakhan I disagree the only superstars to win a title in the 90s were Isiah, Michael, Hakeem, David Robinson and Timmy D as rookie. And we all consider Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Kemp, Payton, Ewing, Miller, Carter, McGrady & Drexler as all time greats. Player mobility has just changed the narrative but outside of Lebron James the Lakers, Warriors, & Spurs have held the league in check when it comes to championships. Toronto, Boston, Detroit, & Dallas are the only teams to win in the last 20 years. Getting a chip outside of the dynasty is hard. I'm not really sure how to classify the Heat because they one the 1 with Shaq and 2 with Bron.
KD should be thanking guys like Chuck that he's able to earn that much now. If it weren't for the superstars of the old days, today's NBA wouldn't earn as much
I think about it like this: The old school players look at it like this.... Giannis and Dirk's championship is worth more than KD's titles because Giannis and Dirk are guys who were the face of their franchise, stayed with their teams, grind it out through the disappointment of playoff failures and won it their championships without joining other superstars or bringing other superstars in. There is more respect on their titles because they didn't join a "ready made" franchise. KD joined a franchise that the season before he joined won 73 games and had two of the greatest shooters in NBA history. Enter KD and you get two rings which they did. I think what Charles Barkley is saying is if you want us to respect your rings, go and get a ring where you are the main guy. Go and get a ring where you are the face of your franchise where the franchise sinks or swims with you. The new school way of thinking is it doesn't matter how I get a ring because getting one is all that matters. When a player of KD's caliber is up for the Hall of Fame (and he is a first ballot hall of famer) is when you look at his accomplishments, it's not gonna matter how he got is ring....the resume is just gonna say he's a two time (currently) NBA Champion with all of his all-star appearances, all NBA team selections, scoring titles, and so forth and so on. Today's league is a " I got mine" league. Today's players don't care how they get it as long as they get it. Old school players take offense to that because of the pride they take in how they got what they got. What Chuck is saying is not personal, it's an indictment on the mindset of the league today. Today's players don't see that. That's just my opinion....
Giannis and Dirk both had all star caliber teammates come to the squad . These older players sound like prideful idiots who care about helping their OWNER than themselves
**ANYONE W/EYES** saw that Steph was the focal point of the defense (like Draymond said! & Shaq reiterated) The presence of 2 of the Top5 Shooters of All-Time made those two Finals MVPs possible/easy. KD ran from competing, ran from confronting Russ, ran from confronting Draymond & ducked confronting Kyrie. GSW lost after a 73win season, in their 2nd straight Finals Appearance in the last secs of a **GAME 7**... that doesn't scream NEEDING "KD"! they just needed an extra reliable athletic scoring threat... Had they got swept in the Semi Finals, **THAT** screams **NEEDING KD TO WIN A TITLE**
@@michaelscottpapercompany6191 Giannis wasn't drafted into a winning organization. But they built around him and turned it into a championship winning team that will contend for titles for as long as he's there. He didn't leave when things looked grim to go join Lebron or Chris Paul.
" The hard way is bull". Magic aint have it hard. He was drafted by a team with Kareem AND a competent owner in Mr Buss that went out and drafted the right players. That team was LOADED AND SO WERE THE CELTICS and that is why they were in the finals over and over again. What is the "HARD WAY" about 9 finals in 12 years on a loaded team?
Would've won against who? The 16-17 Cavs were elite and had just won. I think they would've went back to back if not for KD joining up the next year. The year after is debatable, sans KD of course.
@@LastToTheParty more stupidity. The Cavs only won 2016 cause of injuries and suspension. Healthy warriors were a better team. Idk why yall love bringing up injuries in 2015 then act like the Cavs beat a healthy, whole Warriors team. Again, more stupidity but what more could I expect from Bron stans?
The only lesson I learn here is that old players se jealous because they weren’t making the same amount in their contract; which is jealousy at its finest. That’s dumb
Glad KD left GSW so Curry could prove how good he really is. That said I hope KD wins another title, always been a fan of his since the Sonics drafted him. NBA needs to get another team in Seattle!
People hating on KD too much but people have to realize his situation. He has not been in good situations( organization fault or his own) like nobody has won with russ not to mention the drama of nets. Only good situation he was in was warriors and he won 2/3 chips.
I hate the revisionist history when it comes to russ. He’s a top 75 player and was an MVP calibre player in okc, and they had some good role players around them. They had golden state down 3-1 and DURANT also choked, not just russ. Go look at his numbers. He doesn’t get a pass for not getting them over the line, he had a great team in okc.
I love how Chuck says one analogy and now all of sports media is using it
power
The minute he said it you could tell on that show that the "Bus Driver, Bus Rider" thing had some legs. And this won't be the end of it
And this isn't even the first time with Sir Charles, although it's on this specific genre.
Even with historical nicks and jokes he has tremendous influence, to the dismay of the bums having to face the reality he brings (any future player a-la Kyrie and a-la AD won't ever have to face the check of being and acting like ''half-man half-a-season'' and ''street clothes'', or Mr ''triple single'' with Ben Simmons and Donkey, commentators just aren't built like that anymore, just like coaches, at least not coaches and commentators in their current era).
That was like Skip and the front-runner comment. It's not a new term but everyone on Twitter started using it immediately, when I had never seen it used before that lol. Jargon spreads like wildfire
None of these sports analysts have half the IQ of Chuck
Imagine if Charles Barkley joined Jordan and Pippen in Chicago after losing to them in the ‘93 finals. Unthinkable back then. It’s just a different time.
He should have
This is my argument why basketball was better back then and why Jordan is head and shoulders above anyone else.
@@josecruz3654 yeah and now chuck is an after thought if not for his analyst career
@@bundydachosen1 lol you must 12
@@MultiBreezyb 40 …. So i seen it , what’s the first thing Shaq brings up when he wants to neutralize chuck ? So now he thinks only he can use it ?
The end of this clip hit the nail on the head. I grew up watching in the 80s and 90s and the game was about giving EVERY fan their money's worth. That's it, plain and simple. I pay X dollars to be entertained by my favorite player and wait MONTHS to go to that game. Probably spend Hundreds of dollars for a family of 4 to see that game. Make the drive to the arena and then I find out my fav player is ON THE BENCH because of "load management". The owners won't shorten the season, the players don't want to burn out, the fans suffer.
For a family of 4 your spending hundreds of dollars for nose bleeds now
Shortening the season is equal to adding a four point line and would alienate me as a 90s fan even further…I can live with 40 3s a game and no D played but flopping antics,guys sitting out contacts to force their will or games for load management is ruining the sport!
If it wasn‘t for silver linings like Luka,Ja or Booker I‘d lose hope…
Then proceeds to cry when their team is injury ridden.
The game has moved faster therefore injuries come faster. Fast pace doesn't always go smoothly, everything has a price. Let's just be thankful and be entertained and stop pretending like the NBA revolved solely around fans, if so NBA should've been bankrupt long ago, all their money relied on cry babies
Well thanks doctor…I agree that faster movement may result in worse injuries-one could argue that handchecking may cause lesser collision above the rim i.e.
But I‘d say fans do make or break a sport unless you wanna play a world cup in quatar for some oligarchs…
Perfectly put, you buy nba tickets months in advance at times just to be disappointed a day before the game
KD snitched on his own fragility with that response. Chuck wins K.O.
Who ever sided with kd is fcking clown.
Oakley won by knock out back in the day vs Barkley in a a fight lol
I mean Andre Iguodala was also finals mvp but he for sure wasn't considered the bus driver lol
Anyone who could think for themselves knew he wasn't the best player lol
@@AqwDragulum except Max Kellerman lol
tony parker and cedric maxwell did win FMVP but they are the bus driver too. Its still Duncan in 2007 and Bird in 80s
No one will think that Iguodala is the Driver of that 1st Splash bros chip
Shaq is right. KD's way of joining the team that beat him loses the "respect" of the old nba players. 🙂
It was pathetic. I couldn't believe it when I heard the news he was going there. Durant used to be maybe my favorite player in OKC. Gets no respect now. Especially much less leaving Brooklyn how he is.
@@Dnero518 I think he gets too much heat for trying to get out of Brooklyn I mean I get both sides of the story
@@marcuscarpenter7230 lol he deserves all the hate. He choose to leave gsw when he knows it's done for and choose to team up with kyrie,harden. Imagine if Kd win championship last year. It will tainted curry legacy.
@@Dnero518 facts I’m a lakers fan but always admired KDs game when he first started with the Sonics and that was a questionable move
Supposed we look at it like this. The move to GSW was not about being beaten by GSW but about beating LeBron who had wupped both of them.
Chuck is a national television treasure. Charles Barkley was undoubtedly a powerful force. Sir Charles is a career any pro basketball player should try.
You have to have personality, these don't have any flair not like they used to
No
Them youngsters be having such fragile feelings bruh
No he isn't he is what a group of white men in a room said this is who we want to laugh at as a black man.He isn't intelligent lost as a player and is trash as a person period time for a mic check.
Go to Chuck youtube than
Charles was actually giving KD his props; he said "Until KD wins a championship as the bus driver he won't get the respect from the oldheads that he probably deserves", which means he's saying KD deserves his respect for those championships. He's just speaking facts in regards to others giving that respect.
Very subtle point that's gone unnoticed in a lot of this commentary!
And chuck know this from experience because he was a great player that does not get the respect he deserves because he is without a title.
People often lose context
Yeah, that’s been my issue - why is everyone arguing over the wrong interpretation of Chuck’s statement? Where is everyone’s comprehension??
@@jokidding3414 chuck is highly regarded despite him being ringless, its the media and fans that are about the ring culture exclusively, chipsnisnt the only way to become great, casuals have bought into the media narratives about and thats the whole conversation now
Thank You Shaq For Having Your Big Brother's Back & Explaining To These Clowns Why KD Is Wrong & Sensitive
You cant be a “top 15 player of all time” and not drive the bus! I’m with Chuck
Facts
To act like KD didn’t take a surprisingly easy route to rings.. then.. people don’t like the truth.
If you look at the games.. you see who Cleveland was worried about the most🤷🏾♂️💯
To act like KD didn’t take a surprisingly easy route to rings.. then.. people don’t like the truth.
If you look at the games.. you see who Cleveland was worried about the most🤷🏾♂️💯
So lebron definitely not on it
@@camerondaley6902 Well, he did win one with the Cavs, and he was undoubtely the best player on the team. You can look at the team record before Lebron decided to "go back home", and after.
KD took a paycut to join 73 win team on which his squad had 3-1 drop in WCF the year before he joined them. Plus they won a title shortly *before* he got there, and shortly *after* he left, with the same core group of Steph, Klay & Draymond.
Curry literally accommodated KDs play style. He passed the ball to KD most of the time. KD is an awesome player he can he a menace. But Sir Charles was right KD needs to win a ring to show that he can do it alone just like steph proved it with this championship
W comment
KD doesn't have to prove anything imo. He's flat out one of the best players ever
@@Closedeyewilly 🤡🤡🤡
@@Closedeyewilly Everyone knows that. Even the old heads knows that. In short winning a championship on his own no one will questions his greatness
It’s because Chuck doesn’t sugar code anything 💯
Except his breakfast, lunch and dinner - jeff ross
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Sugar code? Did you graduate middle school?
@@quinndenver4075 no need for that, who cares
How many times did LeBron James beatdown Kyle Lowry? How many people criticized him to leave? It's just Kyle couldn't get it done with DeRozan. Kyle's ring is worth more than KD's 2 rings. KD joined a 73-9 team. Kyle stayed despite the beatdowns administered by LeBron James. And his patience and loyalty was rewarded.
Yea not like Lowry got blessed with a far better teammate who’s a top 20 player all time or anything lol, then in one season with that way better teammate won immediately you had any comparison to make and you choose Kyle Lowry lol
@@aranakenny6075 And the Warriors wouldn't have won if Kawhi wasn't injured in 2017, which the Warriors purposely caused. And what about 2015, when Kyrie and Kevin were injured in the Finals? And even with the injuries, they were still heavily favoured to sweep and beat us. So don't be a hypocrite.
@@aranakenny6075 Yeah. I get it. But even with the injuries, Warriors were still favoured to win, even with KD in the lineup.
@@Crow5537 Yeah. I chose Kyle because he proved that you don't need to be named LeBron James, Kevin Durant or Steph Curry to win it all. That means something to us Raptors fans.
@@nicksirju8717 what makes you say Kyle Lowry tho when Kawhi was the clear cut best player on the team is what I’m trying to figure out lol
Broooooo, we all know KD is a great player. Chuck never denied that. But to be considered top 10 all-time (RESPECT), he needs to be the bus driver. Simple as that! Right now, there is a huge gap between him and the likes of Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and Curry. SMH
Factss
Steph is not a better player than KD. Steph has no defense no post game he just has handles and he has vision and a shot but when his shot off he has nothing he plays to soft when you put a aggressive defender on him he doesn't play that well . KD has no weaknesses on the court period.
@@playboyofdacentury6215 I'm sure you don't watch a lot of basketball lol.
Actually I played basketball in college and I watch every game obviously you know nothing because clearly he can't guard a Westbrook a Harden or any real name point guard he is a liability plus he has holes in his offensive game. KD has no weakness on the court so what are you watching. Maybe your delusional.
@@playboyofdacentury6215 anyone who remotely thinks Steph is a better player than KD is a hater or biased fan or both. Legacy-wise we know it’s Steph, but a better all-round player, it’s not close. So don’t pay these haters any mind
This show is soooooo underrated. I love this show. I always learn something and the 3 of them are so entertaining. Love it.
KD needs to stop responding to every ounce of criticism he receives. You are quite literally one of the all time greats, it comes with the territory. Either accept it or retire. All this back and forth makes you look insecure and taints your legacy.
He's a sensitive childish person he can't let it go
Do you know how much criticism he gets daily? Just coz he responds to a few don’t mean he’s just at his phone responding to everything. And he responds to anybody.
He responds because his legacy is already tainted and he knows it
@@hueyfreeman5509 if you a real basketball fan you respect this man as one of the greatest. No matter how he did it he still has 2 finals mvps. And this from an okc fan bro
You guys need to stop caring and being obsessive about him responding, let him respond, so what lol.
Steph didn't get that much more freedom because of KD. He was still getting double teamed regardless. Maybe a couple of shots he was more open but the defence have been consistently throwing bodies and double teams to him for a long time.
You have to look at it both ways, in the end, Steph was able to win 2 championships because of KD.
@@zuhayrakhan That wasn't the question in the video. Obviously Steph benefitted from KD joining but my point is he didn't get as many free looks as KD did because of Steph.
@@zuhayrakhan Steph was doubled 60 times to KD's 2...
@@zuhayrakhan T Lee said after the series ended their main focus was Steph and not KD
@@zuhayrakhan flash 2022....what ya got to say now???
Chuck wasn’t lying. Golden state wasn’t his team, it was stephs. Yes kd averaged big numbers in those finals, but when you’re playing with Klay and steph you aren’t gonna be double teamed so they kept feeding kd
KD can't take the Boston celtics constant pressure in the defensive end clearly Stephen Curry is a better player when the game gets tougher.
Not just that steph was the leaders of all those titles even his recent one. KD can't lead.
Steph and klay do not require a double team. It's just these young players were not taught how to gaurd a pick and role. They don't play defense. KD is still a player that requires a part time double.
Steph is definitely a better leader than KD and better locker room presence.
@@jokidding3414 and a better, more impactful player
Gonna miss chuck in 2 years on tnt
Same 🥺
@Samuel Higgins definitely will get worse but I'll still watch
@@KrisGarland yep especially since draymond will be his replacement adn he actually fits in with the rest, plus he would have a different outlook on the game compared to the rest
He said Chuck bus ran outta gas lol 😆 😂 🤣
I agree with Charles and Shaq. I grew up watching the 90s era of basketball. And as young adolescent, I was dumbfounded to see how hard they played every possession. It was also incredible to see teams compete and regardless of one team losing, they wouldn't switch sides. To be honest with everyone, everything was amazing when I grew up. From basketball to baseball to football to tennis to wrestling. Everyone seemed eager to compete. It was about the respect for the game. So I do understand where Chuck, Shaq, and many considered old school players come from. I love KD as a player but it's true, he did the easy way. He literally put together a team in 2K and destroyed everyone lol Excuse me rambling but great take!
KD is one of the all-time greats, for sure. I mean, he wouldn't be included in the NBA top 75 if he isn't. But what makes his legacy strange is that he is weirdly sensitive and insecure. When you're a star, everybody will try to throw stones at you. But are you gonna throw those stones back? No. Prove them wrong. Just do your job. Less talk, more work. One best example is Curry. He's been a topic of every criticism but he doesn't react through words. He poves them wrong through his game. I think KD needs someone, like a friend, who will constantly remind him when he reacts horribly to criticism.
Stop it. Curry hasn’t even been close to receiving the same criticism that KD has. No one hates on curry for missing the playoffs the past 2 seasons, but still bash KD for getting swept in the first round. Even though he was a toe nail away from sending the eventual champs home just last year. This is the modern age. If KD wants to speak up for himself then let him. What’s wrong with being sensitive? He lives basketball and everyone who knows him confirms this. To say he needs to put in more work is like telling someone they need to eat food to survive.
KD is like top 20 if not top 15 all time, of course he’d be on the 75
@@aranakenny6075 Nobody hated on Steph cuz they ignored him when KD left. Everyone believed he couldn't win without KD. Nobody had GSW as contenders, they were an afterthought.
KD on the other hand tried to make an iso superteam that everyone touted as a chip contender. Lakers vs Nets in the finals, remember?
KD top 5 skill wise but the boy just seems too nice lol
Kd knows deep inside he’s never gonna get the props he want cuz he ran from adversity and the worst move at that ontop of tgat his sports illustrated article he said it feels so good walkin in the arena knowing I don’t have to take the last shot that’s not a top dog to me that’s a weak link
Kd saying chuck is hating on them making bread stop chuck still making bread after basketball its just kd soft and sensitive period!!!
I think all this is due to KD still having his period!!!
I'm with Charles on this
It still bothers me how these analysts are saying KD was the bus driver and doesn’t need to win another chip outside of GSW to cement his legacy… but Kobe and Steph had to win one outside of Shaq/KD to cement their legacy? Make it make sense!! KD would have 0 without Steph and Steph would have 2… come on man
Whoever has publicly said that about Steph is out of their mind because he already has won one without KD. Now, going forward, if people say he needs to win one without Klay, I think thats interesting but not fair. Imo in today's NBA, or any era really, you need at least one other elite level player minimum to win a title, along with deep bench, coaching, etc etc.
KD was never targeted when Curry was on the floor… and everyone knows this even the haters
KD and Kyrie are pretty much the same ppl…emotionally they seem soft and their logic to certain situations are crazy. They both left beautiful situations for selfish reasons. Steph should be given so much credit for not letting his ego get in the way
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KD and Kyrie are not only sensitive prima donnas...but they're both kind of dumb.
Steph has won before, during and after KD. That's what's killing KD. He is H. Barnes and A. Wiggins pretty much.
You can just tell by the way he’s attacking people that Kevin Durant is insecure with his career. He knows going to Golden State was a mistake legacy wise unfortunately for him that’s going to be with him for the rest of his career unless he wins the championship somewhere else
Not sure it was a mistake. If he didnt go there he would have no rings and no finals mvps … just like Russ.
3 years, 2 championships, and lots of money. Not a mistake. I think people care about this stuff more now, but it won't matter when he retires and almost a billionaire.
@@lexis4490 how many NBA players are billionaires right now? Only Jordan and Lebron… KD will not hit that billionaire status..
@@NaturalLemon KD moved to the Bay area to make a Billion...
One of the things he did/started while he was there was a Venture Capital Company...He investing in startups with the possibility of selling in the future when they become profitable...Some companies don't make a profit and the owners are still billionaires
All he needs is right tech company to explode at the Stock market and he is a instant Billionaire
White folks hustle that many blacks don't know about nor can afford to do...Kobe, Curry and Lebron do the same thing.
@@eduardoarancibia169 he would’ve still won if he went to the Spurs. They still had a healthy Kawahi at that point, and plus a really deep roster. There are also quite a few other teams he would’ve turned into championship contenders. He didn’t have to go to GSW to win, it was a wimpy move.
Imagine if shaq left Orlando to join the Rockets after losing to Hakeem
Or Tim Duncan going to the Lakers after getting swept by them in 2000.
Both are valid opinions for the record, but my father once told me “With age comes wisdom, and to always respect your elders
Well said 3D. He hit every nail on the head.
Great points guys all around. D needs to be on more shows. Spitting the info
There's very little precedent in history of an elite player joining a championship team. That's what KD did. It'd be like Karl Malone joining Chicago. Like Nash joining Lakers. KD ain't a fighter that's why he gets no respect.
I agree with you but might I just point out that Nash did in fact join the Lakers...
(We all know how that turned out, but at the time they were considered a superteam)
@@chaimdb8 if Nash joined the Lakers 5 or 6 years prior that would’ve been a super team. He joined when he was almost 40 (past his prime).
@@chaimdb8 tbf Nash join past his prime
Elite players do exactly this, all the time. Most of the time is doesn't work (Nash, Malone, Payton, etc.)
Shaq low key dissed Rudy Gobert about the pay hahahah
If KD goes back to OKC and wins a championship, he'd win a lot of respect from some of those haters like LeBron with his 2nd stint with Cleveland.
To bad he ain’t built like that lol
He’s burnt that bridge with OKC. OKC would never accept him back
KD ain't going back to OKC after the way they treated him. News flash: Ben Simmons isn't going back to Philly either.
@@daveclark8337 How did they treat him?
Were they supposed to show gratitude to a dude that left to the team that knocked them out? They were up 3-1 on the Warriors.
@@daveclark8337 what did okc do to him?
Dennis Scott hit the 🎯 spot on!!
Finally someone actually said it thank you Shaq everyone gives KD credit when he really wasn’t need it to begin with, he was a luxury for the warriors. All the disrespect Curry be getting for actually taking a step back and making Durant look good it’s crazy. That’s why Durant has accomplished so much after he left.
Bruh he was bruh. If you remove KD from the Warriors lebron would have three peated. Or at least won one more.
Curry made Durant look good lol welp I’ve just lost all composure lol with this comment y’all just be talking Fr at this point
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby I forgot to mention Bogut was a vv crucial and underrated player to that team with his screens on offence and his rebounding, and after he went down you can see the points in paint just skyrocketed.
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby By no means am I making excuses for that series loss, it was all time performances from Lebron which cemented his legacy and warriors choked in the final minutes of game 7 but lets not act like they were 100% going to win another or have a 3peat. A Kyrieless Boston with Rookie Jayson tatum and an Indiana team which wouldn't even make the playoffs if they were in the west both took Lebron to game 7's and we seen what Steph do with this Warriors team which is the weakest team out of the 8 finals they've been to. (Unless you count that team that was on the court for game 6 2019 finals after klay got injured, that team was trash).
@@Crow5537 It's no coincidence that Wiggins played great alongside the same core players that earned KD the MVP awards. How did KD do against the same Boston team with a different cast? 0-4
Where can we SEE these whole shows??? I enjoy these clips
The only knock on KD is that he joined the same team that just beat him, but that's a huge knock. If he never did that and won with anyone other than the warriors or lebron, everyone would love him. He made a poor choice an he's gotta live with that.
That's not the knock. The knock is that he wasn't indispensable for the warriors to win those titles. You can't say there is no way the warriors wouldn't have won without him. They were easy rings
@@rocktor1987 This right here. The 73-9 thing was also huge.
@@rocktor1987 The Warriors themselves say he was indispensable. Draymond says they would not have won without KD. So there's no knock. And that's what frustrates KD; it's the people who don't get it who are driving the narrative.
He joined a 73-9 team that he had down 3-1. If only he had some of the moxie that Clay has. Go back and look at those games it was clay who hit big shot after shots to get them back into those games when they were behind. He expressed through his body language, attitude and facial expressions he was fighting hard for the wins. Durant got the ball time and time again in those games to bring it in, close it out, do what Magic, Bird, Jordan and Isiah has done time and time again he failed. I think he has persona flaw. The same flaw that prevented him from the close out is the same flaw that made him think it was okay to go to a 73-9 team who came back and beat him after having them down 3-1. He has the height and the physical gifts but the defect is in his head
LeBron did the same with Miami
Great interview guys 👍
I wish Dennis would talk more he’s actually level headed and has great perspectives
The hate for KD is honestly at an all time high right now. It's crazy.
It’s honest criticism.
SHAQ IS SPOT WITH THE THING ABOUT STEPH GETTING ALWAYS DOUBLE TEAMED IN THOSE FINALS
D Scott made a good point. Those guys are taking advantage of the system. But we don’t never question the system! We blame the players!
The messed up part is KD’s, Hardens, AD’s are ruining it for the next generation to keep getting the contracts with forcing teams to trade you while under contract. KD should be humble and pay homage to players before him, he’s on the back of Barkley, Shaq etc.
Kawhi started it.
D Scott has had the best take on this topic
These athletes can tell these older guys that they are just jealous and old heads all they want but thats just fallacy and erroneous. It comes down to credibility. These superstar team ups diminish the credibility of their talent. It quite literally is no different than an athlete that takes steroids. Look at McGuire/Sosa summer of chasing home-run record. All that accomplishment and athletic credibility diminished by finding out they were juiced. Being a great player and going to a 73 win team with the best shooters in NBA history diminishes the credibility of any accomplishment because it begs the question but could he do it without the best players in the league. Same with McGuire/Sosa, could they have had that summer without juice. And honestly, the answer to both questions is clearly NO!
taking steroids is not allowed players joining each other is not it's called basketball. I don't want to play with guys who are inferior, and the opposing team is able to do the same to win so it's not unfair.
@@ryanr20091 No one is saying it was unfair, they're saying KD made the weakest free agent move in NBA history (by a top 5 player) by joining the 73-9 team that beat him.
Chuck is right. Unless KD wins another ring, without a superteam, he's not even in the Lebron/Jordan, goat conversation
@@ryanr20091 missing the point. its about giving yourself an unfair competitive advantage. also no one is saying he has to play with bad players in the nba there is plenty of talent that arent in the top 5 players in the league. I mean steph just proved that this year and giannis proved it last year. point is kd racking up wins with an all-star team diminishes the accomplishment. get on a team put yourself in the drivers seat and surround yourself with talented role players then win a chip and we can talk
@@intoxicateddaze2864 No you don't understand how ''perception'' works. First of all top 5 all that stuff is subjective and if the players listened to the media and fans on whom they should play with their heads would explode on which players they ought to play with . They are allowed via free agency which grants players autonomy to make the right choice instead of relying on organizations to dictate your length of time , I see nothing wrong with that because the teams that are supposed to win don't always become champions . Its all fair and within rules stop bitching and complaining about individual rights
KD can respond…simple, them guys sit up there and say a lot and demand no response/bs 😒
What if Ewing left the knicks after losing to Jordan all those years to join the 72 win bulls?
That was a sucker move from KD ///// " I NEED HELP !!! " 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
I never thought Steph would be the one to take up the Jordan mantle but he has. He is the only one of these modern players that has consistently won on the same team.
KD Had Tons of Points and Assists For Everyone To Act Like He Didn't Help Steph
Shaq keeping it real. KD is a coat tails man. GS wins with or without him.
The interviewer needs to stop interrupting the interviewees. Shaq checked her once when he told her to hold on
For once, I agree with Barkley. I've always liked KD, but his only rings came from joining a team that already won championships and was 73-9 before he got there. KD got swept by the Celtics and is now looking to go to another "Ready Made Team"??? No respect if he does!
That angle doesn't work since Lebron has literally gone from one place to another making teams getting him + two superstars every time.
Not true@@jblev736. Lebron's teams were at the bottom before he got there and he turned them into champions. Not the case with KD. Seems KD is trying to take the easy way out.
@@kelvikelv5322 your response shows you didn’t actually read and/or comprehend my comment. Lebron +wade +bosh is a super team. Lebron chose that. Lebron + kyrie + love = super team. He literally only builds super teams. Durant also made a superteam.
Actually, your initial response is incoherent and irrelevant to the topic. Lebron is not the subject. KD is and Barkley was right about him.
when u team up its hard to know who is the best! They should want to beat the best!!
THESE KIDS SOFT ON ALL SPECTRUMS OF LIFE...THANKS FOR PAVING THE WAY ELDERS!!!
KD and the players of today wouldn’t be making the ridiculous amounts of money they do today if it wasn’t for their ‘basketball ancestors’. The lack of respect and self-awareness is absurd.
Thank you shaq!
KD , stay off the phone man 😂
You think it’s just one phone? 😂
d. scott dropping truth bombs 💣💣💣
I'm taking Dirks 1 championship over KDs 2
Wow, I never heard Shaq make so much sense :D Well said.
he proving Chuck right again 😂 he just cant drive a bus
Chuck's right. Sure KD was the reason that they won in the Finals, but the team had previously broke the record for most wins in a season so it doesn't matter.
One of my issues with KD is that him going to GSW knocked out competitive balance. And I respect him for winning those titles and those Finals MVP's.
But man, not all championships are created equal and I think KD has to realize that.
The end of the segment was the drop mic for me.
LeFlop joining Wade and Bosh set the tone for superteams. If you want to point your finger at someone, its them.
They ruined the NBA.
No more loyalty, just chips.
How can you respect a pathetic man that managed to lose the series after a 3-1 lead and then go to that exact team? You must be a new generation.
@@LordArrack1 I remember LeBron joining Wade and Bosh, and I thought wow this is the new era so I was excited lakers were getting cp3 but it never happened. They robbed us from a potential LeBron vs Kobe finals.
@@LordArrack1 actually it was the 08 Celtics that set the tone for super teams. Also Lebron didn’t join a championship team, without a player of Lebrons caliber those heat teams don’t make it to the finals. All the Warriors needed was a solid starter to replace the 5 of 32 Harrison Barnes, not a KD caliber player. Look at what the Warriors just did with Wiggins.
@@MarkLeel yall mfs forever make excuses for Bron. 😂 Miami was the first PLAYER-CREATED Superteam. Regardless of your wordsmith attempt, they were THREE franchise players/all stars joining together on one team. Wade was a top 5 player, still, when Bron went.
LeBron stacked the deck, just like KD did. KD just went to a built team instead of orchestrating with a bunch of other stars to team up. 😑
The main difference between then and now is that theres more top level offensive talent to go around. Back in the 1990s there were maybe 6 guys who could lead an offence alone. Now, there's enough for every team to have at least one of these guys. It's literally impossible for "stars" to not play together. Now, 2 op 3 plays on one roster is a bit different. But the era is so much deeper individually now.
I understood where Barkley was coming from, and I also understood where KD was coming from. It's a generational issue. But, I do believe what I believed 5-6 years ago that KD went to the Warriors because he didn't want to end up like Barkley, Miller, Malone, and Penny.
Have you ever heard MJs interview after he won his first championship? They asked him what was the sense of fullfillment after winning the championship "I wanted to get here, If I never got here I would never be dissapointed of my career" that's why the old heads say this era is soft, Shaq said it best they wanted to compete. KD got his championships either way but the respect from the all time greats apparently is not there and KD doesn't embrace criticism
@@sebastianvasco3087 That MJ point is interesting, but I also believe he wouldn't have the same opinion if he never managed to win the championship. If you're a great player you are constantly reminded that you never won it, you don't belong in the same class as your rival peers because they won it. Think about it, no matter how great a player might play as long as they don't have a championship they are either forgotten or disrespected. This has been the case for every player in any era!
Also, I believe people never criticize KDs game but everything apart from that which they don't have the right to do as per their job description. KD is not perfect but he challenges everyone who does call him out for dumb reasons like you to need to be the bus driver or whatnot.
@@zuhayrakhan Yeah I guess KD didn’t want to face that criticism, didn’t embrace adversity, blew a 3-1 lead, joined the team that beat him and went the easy route I mean they basically swept everybody their first year together and that’s why almost everybody is putting an asterisk to his championships. Like I mentioned before Shaq said it best in their era they wanted to compete KD didn’t
KD didn’t have to go to the Warriors to win he could’ve gone to the Spurs. There were also a few other teams he would’ve turned into championship contenders if he had joined them.
@@zuhayrakhan I disagree the only superstars to win a title in the 90s were Isiah, Michael, Hakeem, David Robinson and Timmy D as rookie. And we all consider Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Kemp, Payton, Ewing, Miller, Carter, McGrady & Drexler as all time greats. Player mobility has just changed the narrative but outside of Lebron James the Lakers, Warriors, & Spurs have held the league in check when it comes to championships. Toronto, Boston, Detroit, & Dallas are the only teams to win in the last 20 years. Getting a chip outside of the dynasty is hard. I'm not really sure how to classify the Heat because they one the 1 with Shaq and 2 with Bron.
Dennis Scott Tripping 😂😂. They most def going to talk about KD Joining the warriors for years to come.
Steph still got double-team with KD there. Playing with Steph made it easier for KD maximise his potential. The reverse was not true
KD should be thanking guys like Chuck that he's able to earn that much now. If it weren't for the superstars of the old days, today's NBA wouldn't earn as much
I think about it like this:
The old school players look at it like this....
Giannis and Dirk's championship is worth more than KD's titles because Giannis and Dirk are guys who were the face of their franchise, stayed with their teams, grind it out through the disappointment of playoff failures and won it their championships without joining other superstars or bringing other superstars in. There is more respect on their titles because they didn't join a "ready made" franchise.
KD joined a franchise that the season before he joined won 73 games and had two of the greatest shooters in NBA history. Enter KD and you get two rings which they did. I think what Charles Barkley is saying is if you want us to respect your rings, go and get a ring where you are the main guy. Go and get a ring where you are the face of your franchise where the franchise sinks or swims with you.
The new school way of thinking is it doesn't matter how I get a ring because getting one is all that matters. When a player of KD's caliber is up for the Hall of Fame (and he is a first ballot hall of famer) is when you look at his accomplishments, it's not gonna matter how he got is ring....the resume is just gonna say he's a two time (currently) NBA Champion with all of his all-star appearances, all NBA team selections, scoring titles, and so forth and so on.
Today's league is a " I got mine" league. Today's players don't care how they get it as long as they get it. Old school players take offense to that because of the pride they take in how they got what they got. What Chuck is saying is not personal, it's an indictment on the mindset of the league today. Today's players don't see that.
That's just my opinion....
Giannis and Dirk both had all star caliber teammates come to the squad . These older players sound like prideful idiots who care about helping their OWNER than themselves
Thank you Dennis Scott
Kevin is so sensitive.
Just win one without Steph and the Warriors,
and the conversation will definitely change.
**ANYONE W/EYES** saw that Steph was the focal point of the defense (like Draymond said! & Shaq reiterated) The presence of 2 of the Top5 Shooters of All-Time made those two Finals MVPs possible/easy. KD ran from competing, ran from confronting Russ, ran from confronting Draymond & ducked confronting Kyrie. GSW lost after a 73win season, in their 2nd straight Finals Appearance in the last secs of a **GAME 7**... that doesn't scream NEEDING "KD"! they just needed an extra reliable athletic scoring threat... Had they got swept in the Semi Finals, **THAT** screams **NEEDING KD TO WIN A TITLE**
95 Magic + 96 Sonics
Shaq, Kemp, Scott, Hardaway, Payton
If today was then this would have been the 90's Dynasty
Well my mom gets mad that I don’t cook my chicken in cooking oil. I cook my chicken in a air fryer…old way vs new way…😂😂😂
well steph is a 4x time champ, KD is a 2x champ cuz of steph. I think that says enough about that
😂😂Shaq laughing at her saying KD gets his ego wounded a lot lol.True.Spot on
Chuck is an analyst, he’s doing his job.
Funniest thing is that this will always be relevant as long as basketball lives.
Steph LITERALLY upgrades players when defenses have to account for him.
KD DOES NOT create the open spaces for teammates
Haters never prosper. Shaq and Barkley are just upset….. kd the GOAT!!
D Scott has the smartest take so far! They are taking advantage of the rules! Let them be great and stop being Petty!!
"I'm not a HATER but I'm PETTY" SHAQ
You have to have a loaded team to win it’s always been this way.
Yes but u stay and build he left to a built team so there's a difference
@@Yellowflashninjas yes your right and I respect that but that’s also why all time greats have no championships. Todays mentality is very different
@@Yellowflashninjas bro not everyone is lucky enough to be drafted into a winning organisation.
The old heads love to pretend this isn’t the reality 😂
@@michaelscottpapercompany6191 Giannis wasn't drafted into a winning organization. But they built around him and turned it into a championship winning team that will contend for titles for as long as he's there. He didn't leave when things looked grim to go join Lebron or Chris Paul.
The players in the game today are business men and I don’t think the older guys get that but I also understand the competitive nature of the game
" The hard way is bull". Magic aint have it hard. He was drafted by a team with Kareem AND a competent owner in Mr Buss that went out and drafted the right players. That team was LOADED AND SO WERE THE CELTICS and that is why they were in the finals over and over again. What is the "HARD WAY" about 9 finals in 12 years on a loaded team?
Imagine Jordan joined the celtics in the 80s
Draft is the key word. Mr Buss drafted. They players were drafted and developed.
D Scott looking like “ dnt be talking bout my money baby “ :)
People so sensitive today. respect for all these 🐐 s
1 in 5 people are highly sensitive nowadays look it up for the research, and statistic too!
Before I liked KD and I hated Steph but now it's the other way around
Tbh chuck aint lying, everyone knows kd is one of the greatest players ever, however without another ring he aint top 10 and top 15 is debatable
Finally. The Truth. Thanks D. Scott and Shaq for admitting that the top athletes get petty and low key jealous.
So we ignoring the fact that Dennis is fried asf 😂😂😂😂
Am I the only one who thinks that Nischelle looks like chuck with a wig on 😂😂
The Warriors would of won at least one of them without him. KD is top 5 in the NBA no doubt, but so are Steph and Klay.
Top 5 what?
Would've won against who? The 16-17 Cavs were elite and had just won. I think they would've went back to back if not for KD joining up the next year. The year after is debatable, sans KD of course.
@@LastToTheParty more stupidity. The Cavs only won 2016 cause of injuries and suspension. Healthy warriors were a better team. Idk why yall love bringing up injuries in 2015 then act like the Cavs beat a healthy, whole Warriors team. Again, more stupidity but what more could I expect from Bron stans?
The only lesson I learn here is that old players se jealous because they weren’t making the same amount in their contract; which is jealousy at its finest. That’s dumb
Glad KD left GSW so Curry could prove how good he really is. That said I hope KD wins another title, always been a fan of his since the Sonics drafted him. NBA needs to get another team in Seattle!
SO TRUE, STOP HATING ON EACH OTHER GUYS.
People hating on KD too much but people have to realize his situation. He has not been in good situations( organization fault or his own) like nobody has won with russ not to mention the drama of nets. Only good situation he was in was warriors and he won 2/3 chips.
I hate the revisionist history when it comes to russ. He’s a top 75 player and was an MVP calibre player in okc, and they had some good role players around them. They had golden state down 3-1 and DURANT also choked, not just russ. Go look at his numbers. He doesn’t get a pass for not getting them over the line, he had a great team in okc.
Are we really not getting Inside The NBA until October? The Chuckster needs to come back 😭