Stokely Carmichael "We Ain't Going" Speech

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  • Civil Rights activist Stokely Carmichael riles up the crowd with his "We Ain't Goin'" speech. Excerpt taken from Great Speeches Volume 8 from Educational Video Group, Inc. available at www.evgonline.com

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  • @lksw42439
    @lksw42439 12 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I remember watching footage from an owner of a black book store in Harlem during the 60s or 70s and he said it best: Black is beautiful; Black isn’t power. Knowledge is power. You can be black as a crow or white as snow but if you don’t know and you ain’t got no dough, you can’t go and that’s for sho’

    • @anibalcesarnishizk2205
      @anibalcesarnishizk2205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      How many people listened to that statement?.

    • @lilbru
      @lilbru 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a powerful statement

    • @blahblahblah9844
      @blahblahblah9844 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Black power mixtape

  • @lilbru
    @lilbru 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    When he took off his coat...i knew immediately that he was about to nourish our spirit & minds. This brother is so powerful & personifies black intelligence & strength

  • @alexandra4real360
    @alexandra4real360 10 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    Speech begins at 1:45.
    Seriously i love Stokely Carmichael.

  • @tommyrock4684
    @tommyrock4684 6 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    I am a white, heterosexual, male. When I was a much younger man, this sounded threatening to me. I grew up in the white middle class bubble. Now, in my early 50s, Kwame Ture's words speak loudly and clearly. So much to be done and so far to go.

    • @skoobylove1971
      @skoobylove1971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Tommy Rock TEACH YOUR CHILDREN BETTER.

    • @TheNotBees
      @TheNotBees 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@skoobylove1971 Trying to. Also restoring the Voting Rights Act would help a whole lot.

    • @mjsocks5929
      @mjsocks5929 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Go wake your people up or shut up

    • @TheNotBees
      @TheNotBees 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@mjsocks5929 I can't very well wake them up if I shut up now can I.
      You are unpleasant.

    • @vvvhhhhhbb
      @vvvhhhhhbb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@mjsocks5929 Your statement is what causes the issues we still see. Here is someone trying to learn and do the right thing, an you with antagonistic bulshit statements, say this. You are no better than the people you are speaking against, because when good comes out you can't notice it.

  • @ebonychante2184
    @ebonychante2184 10 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    touch one of them, you got to touch all of us!!!!!! where our leaders at!!!!!!!!!

  • @goodjammusic101
    @goodjammusic101 10 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    Hopefully the government doesn't come after me after looking at this speech.

    • @Bro_DT
      @Bro_DT 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      lol true

    • @justinpettit3432
      @justinpettit3432 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      KinkyHairedTruth I saw this black power documentary on Netflix where Talib Kweli was talking about how he got questioned for listening to some of Carmichael's speeches while on a plane.

    • @kentlawton6446
      @kentlawton6446 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      KinkyHairedTruth I was thinking the same thing

    • @inbankwetrustshakur3523
      @inbankwetrustshakur3523 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who Cares if they do?

    • @9175rock
      @9175rock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Good news for you, they were already after you.

  • @zeezydoesit7416
    @zeezydoesit7416 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This just sent chills up my spine!!! There’s is not a black man alive with a platform who is speaking this unapologetically. Literally beaming with pride!

    • @zeezydoesit7416
      @zeezydoesit7416 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Kemonie I vehemently disagree.. Dr. Umar has developed into a character. He’s not a serious intellectual or freedom fighter anymore. He’s become a joke

  • @cedricmayfield287
    @cedricmayfield287 11 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    He remind me of my brother Malcolm X

  • @regina4109
    @regina4109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I’m here in 2020💪🏾✊🏾💕💞💪🏾✊🏾

    • @ridge7524
      @ridge7524 ปีที่แล้ว

      2023🌌💓

  • @queenzyonnax2296
    @queenzyonnax2296 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I love this man his spirit will live on in another great man

  • @catherha1
    @catherha1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    From Jackson and I never learned of this dude until I began to research for myself 👀😂🤦🏽‍♀️ Black Power 🖤✊🏿 his ability to excite and motivate the audience !!!

    • @firekrueger3987
      @firekrueger3987 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im from the country he was born in and i never heard of him till i research

  • @Oscar44443
    @Oscar44443 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Salute to brother kwame ture for always staying solid

  • @Slayton701
    @Slayton701 11 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Epic wonder why this guy isn't spoken upon like Malcolm X or Martin Luther King, he was part of a the "CIVIL RIGHTS" movement
    during the 60's #Black #Power
    GOD BLESS
    @kinoshi44htown

    • @walterjenkins4536
      @walterjenkins4536 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Because he wasn't assassinated like the other 2 , after the BPPFSD disbanded he left the country went to Africa & that was that

    • @simondilling5353
      @simondilling5353 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I can't say for certain why he is not talked about more often, but many black heroes from this era aren't talked about that much. It even took a long time for King and X to be remembered and honoured as it is today. But since Kwame Ture marched with King and they worked together, it makes you wonder why he is not mentioned more often. Many from that era, and before, should have more attention.

    • @firekrueger3987
      @firekrueger3987 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He wasnt American

  • @Trinavara
    @Trinavara 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Trini people always in the big league...very intelligent man at the forefront of the early struggle..we should be proud of this great man T&T..

    • @Madnezzmonroux
      @Madnezzmonroux 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Trinavara don’t separate us...he is a blk man one of us all

    • @elrededwards863
      @elrededwards863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      U so right now and always we Caribbean people change the world

    • @Trinavara
      @Trinavara 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elrededwards863 yeah I should've said Caribbean really...good that you know what I mean..

    • @jmute44
      @jmute44 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elred Edwards lol

    • @dhatchick22196
      @dhatchick22196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Madnezzmonroux yes and he is also Trini. Being Trini doesn’t negate his Blackness.

  • @lizzieh5020
    @lizzieh5020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How have I not learned about this man before? He has such a great auroa about him/ speaking skills. Love it!!!!!!!

  • @ankaretharmer3362
    @ankaretharmer3362 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am a white woman in my 70s. I stand in solidarity with all oppressed peoples. As a woman growing up in the 50s & 60s I experienced sexist oppression. These Black Power leaders had to come on strong as they were fighting a powerfully racist system. Stokely Carmichael was a wonderful speaker & a wonderful man.

  • @Thvndar
    @Thvndar 10 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Damn, people were talking about reverse racism back in the 60's

    • @gay_spiritual
      @gay_spiritual 7 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Thvndar, sad right?
      Reverse racism:
      A pathetic attempt by white people to feel victimized by a problem they created themselves.
      Herein lies the non-existence of such farce. Now, I've never in my 31 years of being alive, have heard of a white person being harassed or denied something because of their skin color. White people rarely get harassed for their skin color, it's almost non-existent; I'd call that prejudice or bias most likely induced by seeing racism or being victims of it themselves and are lashing out. Disagreeing with political parties is not racism. Disagreeing with something unless it's about a born characteristic, identity, or person in themselves, is not racism. Racism is now too much of a widely open word being twisted. It's original meaning is "a race (skin color/ethnicity) who feels superior to all others". That superiority can range in subtle ways from: dubious glares; dog whistle politics; being followed in a store; or to a systemic and institutionalized way from: discrimination, laws oppressing minorities, hate crimes. White people here in the United States don't experience that here.
      Here's why reverse racism in fact doesn't exist:
      * White people don't have laws oppressing them, never had.
      *They don't experience systemic and institutionalized discrimination motivated by racism in society, housing, employment, welfare and public and private services.
      *They don't experience the paranoid and dubious glares for their skin color.
      *They don't experience being denied services in schooling, jobs, careers, goods, transportation or accommodations because if their skin color.
      *They don't experience being belittled and berated for their skin color.
      *They don't experience the degrading verbal taunts and jeers for their skin color.
      *They don't experience the physical assaults and attacks for their skin color.
      *They don't experience the dog whistle politics; that is- in lieu of epithetical slurs that people use as tactics to instigate and degrade by indirectly using (a) phrase(s) or (a) word(s) because of their skin color/ethnicity/sexual orientation/sex/gender/disability.
      *They don't experience the degradation and indignity that we people of color/ethnicity (I'm half Mexican) experience and suffer through.
      So no, white people are NOT VICTIMS OF RACISM; REVERSE RACISM DOES NOT EXIST. You are however, ARE VICTIMS OF YOUR OWN VICES AND PERVERSION!
      #NeoNazis #WhiteSupremacy #WhiteSupremacists #KKK #Nationalism #ReverseRacism #ReverseRacismDoesntExist #Racism #Racists #WhitePrivilege #WhiteLash #Xenophobia #VictimsOfYourOwnVices #VictimsOfYourOwnPerversion

    • @Thvndar
      @Thvndar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      gaychristianandproud Whoah, that is well fucking said! I'll have to post that on FB. Thanks for the feedback

    • @gay_spiritual
      @gay_spiritual 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thvndar, I added a bit mote, this one is a bit better
      Reverse racism:
      A pathetic attempt by white people to feel victimized by a problem they created themselves.
      Herein lies the non-existence of such farce. Now, I've never in my 31 years of being alive, have heard of a white person being harassed or denied something because of their skin color. White people rarely get harassed for their skin color, it's almost non-existent; I'd call that prejudice or bias most likely induced by seeing racism or being victims of it themselves and are lashing out. Disagreeing with political parties is not racism. Disagreeing with something unless it's about a born characteristic, identity, or person in themselves, is not racism. Racism is now too much of a widely open word being twisted. It's original meaning is "a race (skin color/ethnicity) who feels superior to all others". That superiority can range in subtle privatized ways (prejudice) from: dubious glares; dog whistle politics; being followed in a store; or to a systemic and institutionalized way (discrimination and racism) from: discrimination, laws oppressing minorities, hate crimes. White people here in the United States don't experience that here. Let's clear up some definitions here:
      RACIAL PREJUDICE- the belief in biases and stereotypes of a group of people(s)
      RACIAL DISCRIMINATION- actions and unfair treatment based on prejudice
      RACISM- a form of discrimination (institutionalized in society, culture and laws) based on skin color and/or ethnicity/ethnic origin
      Here's why reverse racism in fact doesn't exist:
      * White people don't have laws oppressing them, never had.
      *They don't experience systemic and institutionalized discrimination motivated by racism in society, housing, employment, welfare and public and private services.
      *They don't experience the paranoid and dubious glares for their skin color.
      *They don't experience being denied services in schooling, jobs, careers, goods, transportation or accommodations because of their skin color.
      *They don't experience being belittled and berated for their skin color.
      *They don't experience the degrading verbal taunts and jeers for their skin color.
      *They don't experience the physical assaults and attacks for their skin color.
      *They don't experience the dog whistle politics of specifically racism (they can be gay, transgender, disabled or a woman and experience dog whistle politics, that's prejudice and discrimination based on other characteristics though, not racism); that is- in lieu of epithetical slurs that people use as tactics to instigate and degrade by indirectly using (a) phrase(s) or (a) word(s) because of their skin color/ethnicity/sexual orientation/sex/gender/disability.
      *They don't experience the degradation and indignity that we people of color/ethnicity (I'm half Mexican) experience and suffer through.
      So no, white people are NOT VICTIMS OF RACISM; REVERSE RACISM DOES NOT EXIST. You are however, ARE VICTIMS OF YOUR OWN VICES AND PERVERSION!
      #NeoNazis #WhiteSupremacy #WhiteSupremacists #KKK #Nationalism #ReverseRacism #ReverseRacismDoesntExist #Racism #Racists #WhitePrivilege #WhiteLash #Xenophobia #VictimsOfYourOwnVices #VictimsOfYourOwnPerversion

    • @gay_spiritual
      @gay_spiritual 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thvndar and thank you, it's the truth

    • @ayjank2216
      @ayjank2216 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      gaychristianandproud that's not what racism is. racism is discrimination or prejudice against a particular race. Anyone can be racist to anyone, no matter how extreme they demonstrate their beliefs.

  • @stonerstories8382
    @stonerstories8382 9 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I wish there was really no more unpunished murders after this

    • @amidreaming333
      @amidreaming333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Still very relevant :(

    • @neadageorge4009
      @neadageorge4009 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      More and more today 😔

    • @catherha1
      @catherha1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      RIP to Mr George Floyd 💔🖤💘

  • @theslavepsychology
    @theslavepsychology 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We're dropping The Slave Psychology book soon, and Stokely is one of the many revolutionaries we quote.

  • @633390
    @633390 14 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    powerful speaker

  • @Jie67
    @Jie67 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    you know shits about to go down when the jacket comes off.

  • @sdotscholar8600
    @sdotscholar8600 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Truly wish there were no more unpunished murders ..

  • @CertifiedKyl504
    @CertifiedKyl504 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Salute!!!✊🏿

  • @sterlingrock7769
    @sterlingrock7769 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The great Kwame Toure.

    • @wileyjohnson5681
      @wileyjohnson5681 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah there will never be another one like him R.I.P.

  • @ieshaconley5783
    @ieshaconley5783 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So mad I didn’t witness the confrontational rhetoric💁🏽‍♀️💪🏽🗣

  • @rebelproduction4348
    @rebelproduction4348 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite speaker!

  • @gosfordsyke
    @gosfordsyke 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    He was at Central Washington State College in Washington State at our "Revolution" Symposium the month before, March 1967.

  • @JoePescisAngryCousin
    @JoePescisAngryCousin 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Speech starts at 1.57

  • @warriorclass1040
    @warriorclass1040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There were thousands of unwarranted deaths of brothers and sisters for decades after he said they would no more.. 😔

    • @extraordinarytv5451
      @extraordinarytv5451 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because we have yet to get serious about the things he ended up preaching for. Malcom X too.

  • @maxwelllittle3562
    @maxwelllittle3562 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ASHE...POWER!!!

  • @DoveVzn
    @DoveVzn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It’s some attractive about this man ..

  • @TuxedoJuinorPlayz2012
    @TuxedoJuinorPlayz2012 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    luv him!!!

  • @lehlohonoloshaunlepele7048
    @lehlohonoloshaunlepele7048 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kwama Ture my hero

  • @anonanonymous43
    @anonanonymous43 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Am trying to figure out which one is the cia!!!!!

  • @ysgol3
    @ysgol3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Magical.

  • @ewalker1057
    @ewalker1057 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The narrator has his own bias as he tries to tell viewers how to interpret what Kwame Ture says in this speech. No Black Messiah. Where's the words on the War in Vietnam.

    • @catherha1
      @catherha1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I heard all of that 👀🤦🏽‍♀️ SMH

  • @Themaddprof
    @Themaddprof 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was Elder Lewis Micheaux who made the clever but accurate rhyme in the film "Black Power Mixtape." However, statistically speaking in the United States, most black people aren't poor and most poor people aren't black.(see Statistical Abstract of the United States).

    • @skoobylove1971
      @skoobylove1971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The American Storyteller SCHOOL'EM!!

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As far as your opinions on my writing, this is the last time I'll address that. I started reading newspapers when I was five years old, and read at a college level before I left grade school. I've never gotten anything but A's in any of my English or Composition classes, and was fast-tracked to advanced programs all through school. You, meanwhile, have at best a nervous grasp of English- understandable, since you're a foreigner, but don't try to blame your incomprehension on my writing style.

  • @lksw42439
    @lksw42439 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good point...

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @DIOPJR No. I brought up the Nobel Prize, because the fact that Milton Friedman received gives him credibility. It is amazing how much you namedrop. "I know first-year IR undergrads who know about Amin and Arrighi..." So what? You brought them up as an example of an alternative to thinkers like Milton Friedman and I said that I didn't know them. I have never claimed to know every author or thinker who has said something about Africa. Being able to name people doesn't give you more credibility.

  • @madokaminagawa4811
    @madokaminagawa4811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kwame ture is such a legend

  • @regina4109
    @regina4109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    💪🏾✊🏾💞💞💪🏾✊🏾

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As far as why model minorities are successful in America, it's because of the entry requirements set by the US government. African immigrants to this country are actually, statistically, the best-educated 'ethnic' group, and why? Because of the stringency of US admission requirements. It's certainly not because their culture leads to 'success' wherever they go. If it were, then most the citizens of Nigeria would be affluent. Draw the necessary inference.

  • @firekrueger3987
    @firekrueger3987 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This man is a trinidadian native my country never thought me about him... im proud to be a Trinidadian living in america i love america but we as humans black white or whatever race need to come together

  • @CertifiedKyl504
    @CertifiedKyl504 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Asé!!!✊🏿

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR It doesn't mean that everything Krugman says is true but it means that he is qualified to speak and that I will listen. Even though I don't agree with him. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, not the Nobel Prize in an academic discipline. There is a huge difference. Milton Friedman could teach african countries about equal opportunities and incentive.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR I never stated that. Don't know where you got that from. All I said that receiving a nobel prize in an academic discipline makes your opinion qualified. Unless you think nobel prizes are given to random people. I have no idea who the two people you mention are and I have never brushed away anything they have said.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR I do listen to people who know what they are talking about instead of agitators who make things up.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    We must dispel the notion that Africans are not seriously talking about Pan-Africanism anymore. Within the last decade, we can look at the schism in the African Union over the integration of its nation-states into a United States of Africa as an echo of Nkrumah...thirty years delayed. In a time when the EU protects its farmers while the global financial institutions destroy the African farmer, artisan, and merchant, we must unite!

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR It has nothing to do with entry requirements. I am not talking about new immigrants i am talking about people who are third-fourth and fifth generation americans

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR That is a postulate from a man who has realised that he cannot argue when he is not in his own ballpark. Can you support your postulate with facts? Without falling back to your ready-made-arguments?

  • @immasoxfanbaby
    @immasoxfanbaby 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We all are Ethiopian American people named after the Ethiopian oceans

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Class has always been a problem. The question is, to what degree does racial-cultural prejudice feed the false consciousness that keeps a materialist conception of social problems from pushing to the fore?

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR I never said that Europeans were the same. Contrary I said that Europeans are different. The same is the case with Africans. Between Africans the difference is even bigger.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    it was a white anthropologist, Melville Herskovits, who noted the unscientific tendency of Europeans to believe that so-called 'primitive cultures' could not withstand the overpowering influence of Western ones when the two come in contact. Why are you so slow in catching up with your white brethren?

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    (cont.)...you pay lip-service to democracy as against 'dictatorship' in the case of Guinea but deny the importance of, and even lambaste the organization around, the principle of democracy in the African freedom struggle in the US. Thank you for unwittingly showing the contradictions in the attitude of the mainstream toward African political movements.

  • @peopleunchained3704
    @peopleunchained3704 ปีที่แล้ว

    May Allah have mercy on him.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 Ture did not come out of the womb espousing Black Power. It was a stage in the evolution of his political thinking. It was informed by his study of Malcolm and Marcus Garvey in the years of disillusionment towards integration. If he was such a persona non grata, a man of limited vision and dubious character, how did he find himself in the position of educating King on the political history of the Vietnam conflict?

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR I never mentioned the incidents you mention.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR The reason i call it a "ready-made-argument" is because you are very eager to get me to explain why it is an example of "race-hustling-opportunism". I have never said that that specific incident was an example of that. But the man behind it is an example of that. A travelling demagogue building his powerbase upone "helping the oppressed" and using reverse racism and revisionist "black history" to do so.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 so Samir Amin, Immanuel Wallerstein, Paul Sweezy, Paul Baran, Walter Rodney, Amilcar Cabral, and other economists, sociologists and historians are merely agitators, while Milton Friedman is some kind of expert on the international division of labor? Yet another assumption: that my views are based merely on the rhetoric of Kwame Ture.

  • @nashid9119
    @nashid9119 ปีที่แล้ว

    They don't make black crowds like this anymore!!!

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR What people like you don't understand is that political power is not the most important kind of power. That is why a person such as Mohamed "Mo" Ibrahim (a sudanese billionaire and entrepreneur, who set up the Mo Ibrahim foundation) has tried to do more for Africa than any american agitator has ever done. Sadly not many people have heard of him because he is a realist and not just an idealist. (before you accuse me of namedropping, I explained who he is and why i brought him up).

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR I know he changed his name to Kwame Toure, but i prefer to call him Stokely Carmichael. It suits him better. You are the one who ramble. I only answer your ramblings as good as any sane person can.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR by namedropping i mean throwing around names of people, that you have been told are your great leaders instead of forming a theoretical arguments based on your own situation and what you have experienced yourself? Writing "like Malcolm X, like Nkrumah, like Garvey, like Toure etc etc" frees you of the responsibility of writing what you, principally, think yourself. History can be used, and it can be abused so arguing against a proposition by throwing around names will get you nowhere

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR That explains why you have a hard time arguing without throwing in references to 50 odd people everytime you try to build up an argument. Reading, thinking and experience goes hand in hand. Just reading can be bad for your mental health. As far as your grades go, I am not your teacher or your classmate. Nor am i going to hire you for a job, so your grades doesn't really matter to me. But you sound like you have been a good boy. You parents must be proud of you.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR The difference between pygmies of central Africa and people from Sudan is bigger than the difference between people from Portugal and people from Sweden. Likewise is the difference between people from South Africa and people from Senegal bigger than the difference between people from Germany and people from Hungary. If you had ever been to Africa (or Europe) you would know that. But since you haven't you probably think that all Africans are like the black people around you in America.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 you think that I did not know that Sekou Toure is called a dictator by the West? Yet another assumption that you've made. Now, I know plenty of Africans, from Ghana, from Nigeria, from Ethiopia, and they all greatly admire Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah. Nkrumah is so popular in Ghana today that there is not a serious party that does not claim his legacy in some way or another. So if all we're basing African mass opinion on is private conversations, you've lost.

  • @nest_powerful390nest_power2
    @nest_powerful390nest_power2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    2020✊✊

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 what's pathetic is to make statements like this without backing it up. In what sense was Ture an opportunist?

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 what you have to do now is to admit that you were incorrect in saying that he didn't contribute to anything positive. You yourself admitted that he 'may have' helped people. Just accept the loss and keep it movin'.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now, calling the man a demagogue is yet another baseless accusation. Where is the demagoguery? Does he not believe the things he's saying? If not, how do you know? Better yet, what is your definition of a demagogue? Is it someone who polarizes public opinion to appeal to the masses? It's interesting; there is not a single independent Black leader that has not been accused of demagoguery by mainstream opinion.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR Fact is. Your style of writing doesn't suit youtube. That is why i am criticizing it. On youtube you are supposed to write in short and clear terms. Like I am. You have a problem with getting your point across in a clear way. In fact, i don't think anyone has read all of what you have written. People go to youtube to watch videos. Not to read a pretentious pseudo-academic thesis about the importance of Stokely Carmichaels dated opinions. Sounds like i messed with something in your head.

  • @ChrisnSnoop
    @ChrisnSnoop 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413
    Glad you agree.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 I'm sorry, what did Friedman write about Africa again? What, specifically, makes him an expert on the political economy of underdeveloped nations? My 'heroes' are either intellectuals and organizers who have directly experienced colonialism, or are academics who have described how neocolonialism works in the 21st century. Who cares that he won the Nobel Prize? Does that mean that everything Krugman or Obama says about every topic is true?

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really don't know what your purpose is here. Fact: I am putting out more information than you. Fact: your responses have been mainly terse, one- or two-sentence ad hominems and generalizations that have made it that much easier for me to expose the universality of the 'Omnipotent Administrator' syndrome to which I earlier referred. Fact: I hope to convince people that Ture's message is still relevant b/c of the lingering ignorance of Westerners to African issues, and you're helping me out.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 you haven't admitted that you were wrong when you said that Ture did not contribute to anything positive. A person who cannot admit his own mistakes is not educable. What kind of precedent are you setting for good faith argumentation? By the way, the only person who has been dealing in facts this whole 'discussion' has been me. MFDP is a fact. LCFO is a fact. Global (vs. continental) Pan-Africanism figuring in the program of the African Union is a fact. As are SAPs.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR So you think that a pragmatic approach to solving problems is "an empty category" . Why do you think orientals, jews and indians are far more succesful in America than blacks?

  • @kleiberthegod
    @kleiberthegod 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first Black man president appeared, after 50 years after M.L.King.
    So, who is the first female president of the United States of America ?
    The USA always give us the greatest entertainment, or the progress of history.

    • @skoobylove1971
      @skoobylove1971 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      carlos kleiberthegod TRUMP IS THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT. GO STUDY BEFORE U START TALKING. THE FIRST PRESIDENT WAS A MAN OF COLOR.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 you don't know what the hell you're talking about. A White-minded African is a person who believes that every solution to their problem must come from White people. Now, the 'identity crisis' of former slaves is directly relevant to the problems of Africans- which is why Steve Biko was able to organize so many South Africans around Black Consciousness literature coming from the African Diaspora. (Do not embarrass yourself by mistaking my historical example for 'name-dropping'.)

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 no, this you're not allowed to do. You're trying to mire this back-and-forth in a new mud-puddle because you can't come to grips with the fact that you mischaracterized Ture. Admitting that he helped the people is admitting that he was involved in something positive. You claimed that he never has been, and now you don't have the balls to own up to your mistake. Very typical.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 when I offered his work in SNCC as an example of something he's done positive, you bunched it together with his work with Toure and Nkrumah, probably because you knew nothing about it. As far as the 'traveling demagogue' crap, you do know that this speech was well after the MFDP and LCFO, right? 'Traveling' was not a part of that work; he had to live with country folk in terrible segregated conditions in Miss. and Alabama, facing down Klansmen, sheriffs, and lynch mobs.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 that sounds like something you've shoved on me. I don't remember saying anything like that. In fact, there are plenty of Pan-Africanists who would say that we are not, as you stupidly called it, a "unity." That we *can* be a unity, and that we can be so quicker than the West can, is what I will affirm always. We share trans-continental political interests and our common experience of dehumanization as 'Blacks' gives us a common cultural enemy: white supremacy.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 to be clear, I've already alluded to the influence of Friedman on international policy, when I discussed the effect of neoliberal policy from GFIs like the World Bank several posts ago. Your unwillingness to 'discuss real politics' with me, ostensibly because of my ideology, is the hallmark of ignorance. Or cowardice. Or both.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 ah, so one has to have won a Nobel Prize in an academic discipline in order to say something relevant about Africa? That's what you seem to be driving at. The fact is that guys who influence my political views like Amin and Arrighi are internationally-reputed scholars of globalism theory, and you've brushed aside everything they've said because they're not neoliberals.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR All of what you have said is based upon the notion that "black people" and "africans" are a unity. Thats not the case. There is nothing bad or good about that fact. But it is a fact.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 name-dropping is a kind of argument from authority. Where have I argued from authority? Merely mentioning the names of people is not the same as not having your own perspectives on things. To wit: where have I said that something is so because of such-and-such authority? Everywhere I have asked, on what basis do you malign the work of Ture as 'race-hustling opportunism'? I can't possibly pose that question without reference to his personality.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    and what, exactly, 'works for Africans and their countries' and what is 'outdated ideology'? You deploy these categories as if with reference to something; but unless the 'outdated ideology' you refer to is Pan-Africanism (which is not at all Cold War ideology- which has been, from independence, a nonaligned socialist paradigm), and which is focused, not merely on racial, but also geopolitical and economic considerations, the category seems empty.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ChrisnSnoop yeah wow

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR You are again namedropping instead of leading an argument about principles. I am not the least bit embarrased about making you aware of that.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR It has nothing to do with color. It is because I sincerely believe that Stokely Carmichael was wrong. And he made a career out of it. How do you know what color I am?

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 yes it is. Just because you state something peremptorily does not make it so. To deny a historical group a history is an exercise in ignorance; when you ignore their history because of their race, it is racism. Next you'll be telling me there's no Native American history.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 you've got a strange habit of redefining things. By 'name-dropping' you mean referring to actual events and people; by 'opportunism' you mean actual organizing around the political needs of disenfranchised groups; by 'conspiracy theories' you mean well-established facts that anybody can learn in an introductory African history course, or (in the cases of Lumumba and Nkrumah) by studying FBI documents released under the FOIA.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR Race isn't as important as you make it to be. Every argument against your so-called ideology is made to be "racist", "Neo-colonialist" or "imperialist". "Black People" have no resonsiblity for their problems "as a people". From your perspective. Thats why it is hard, if not impossible, to discuss serious political issues with you. First of all "black people" is not one people, but several different people. The difference between the peoples of africa is bigger than between europeans.

  • @baroh2413
    @baroh2413 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DIOPJR those things are the core of race hustling opportunism. Sekou Toure was a dictator. I know. I have faily from Guinea

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 nonsense. When I first mentioned the fact that Ture had worked in the MFDP and LCFO, you responded that 'those things are tyhe core of race-hustling opportunism,' which is like saying the Alabama Bus Boycott is racial opportunism. When you brought up Africa's plight, you blamed it on her unwillingness to open up to free-market solutions; but from the 70s the majority of loans African nations have received have come with free-market conditionalities. You were wrong and won't admit it.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 assumption after assumption after assumption. You assume that it's a 'ready-made argument', as if I expect people to overlook what Ture did in SNCC. In fact, I don't; it's probably what he's best-known for, which is why I found your comments about his 'race-hustling opportunism' all the more shocking. What you call a 'ready-made argument', I call background knowledge of the subject. I'm sorry we don't share equally in that.

  • @docchoc2407
    @docchoc2407 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    careful theirs a trump supporter in the comments from 2 years ago replying toxically to positive posts and his views I'm sure they came here just to be in a better time when they thought racism was fine

  • @christinawolff7157
    @christinawolff7157 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    he was forced into exile by the FBI.

  • @untoldtruth1295
    @untoldtruth1295 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @baroh2413 Now, MFDP and LFCO are organizations that he helped build among poor, disenfranchised Black people; they're instance of constructive work he's done, the merits of which no one, except a dyed-in-the-wool racist or a person completely ignorant of the background in which SNCC was organizing, could deny. How in the hell is that name-dropping? Is this just another case of your lexical limitations? Also, how do you know if I've been to Africa? How have you shown that you know more than me?