The thing with htc is they just gave up after the cosmos and just started releasing absurdly expensive enterprise/vive pro refresh’s that were worse than the original vive pro
If you still have the Vive Pro or Vive Pro Eye lying around there is a popular mod to swap the lenses with GearVR lenses, and the screens with Samsung Odyssey+ screens. Cuts down a ton on the glare and screen door effect.
I remember my Vive. Used the thing till it almost broke then gave it to my friend who used it till the headset and both controllers stopped working. A very flawed but amazing headset.
watching this video again since im back in the market for a new base station tracked headset, crazy this was already 3 months ago. I remember watching the premiere.
It's amazing how often you can screw up the micro on HMDs. So now not just with HTC HMDs but also with various others. Somehow, so far only Valve has managed to install a really good microphone🤔
i have an original vive (2016 version i think) and have put well over 1000 hours without anything breaking besides one of the lightboxes giving out a few years ago but the other one has been running nearly 24/7 for years without dying
I am using the htc vive for abt 4 years now and i did actually get used to the controllers. i absolutely love this headset and i cant imagine what would have been if i hadnt bought it.
I have the vive pro eye with wireless adapter. Still using it as no one has released a headset that does everything it does. Disappointing that htc never released a successor for this headset.. the only thing it is lacking compared to newer headsets is resolution. This is a 5 year old headset now
I owned a Vive 1. I really wanted a Pro, but couldn't justify the price. I now own a Quest 3 and just either SteamLink play the Meta exclusives on that. I've never seen anything past the Pro, but I've heard of the Cosmos. HTC really couldn't hold up their quality past their second rendition and that's kinda sad.
I've got a vive pro 2. Yes, the problems all exist. Even worse is the cut down support of it: htc stopped making/ selling of the face tracker for example. The controllers on mine are noticeable loud when rumbling. Even if you play something louder like beat saber. And I really dislike the IPD dial. If you bump into it somehow it is on a new setting instantly and a big overlay pops up in your game. I still like the headset and I would buy a pro 3 (if it will ever being made), if it gets improved. Also im really surprised by the speakers on the headaset.
@@josalt Yea, I also dont believe that ther ewill be a new iteration of the vive pro any time soon. Seems HTC is trying mor ethe mixed reality route at the moment. But who knows? Im currently not doing that much with vr, so maybe I dont need it in a couple of years anyway X D Or I will try some other manufacturer at some point. A bigger field of view is always nice : )
might you recomend the pro 2 since im thinking of getting it with full body tracking also to replace my quest 3 so im not sure if i should probbaly go with the pro 2 and i want to see what you think if i should get the pro 2 or to keep my quest 3
It isn't. Don't get me wrong, it is a good headset, but it is massively outdated by this point. You'd be better off either waiting or just getting a quest 3. This is coming from someone that was very against using a quest for years, it's just hard to justify recommending or purchasing an index in 2024 when the quest 3 gives you better displays and 95% of the experience in every other area. Unless you can get an index for cheap, I can't say its worth it.
Yeah, It sucked balls. It was a tiny virtual display that anchored to one of the vive controllers. it was black and white at 30 FPS I believe. I used it once and that was it.
Great video! Just FYI, the Vive Pro 2 has a big rang of other issues. Just like the Focus 3 (same optical design), it oversaturates colors, so that they look completely wrong. On top of that, the stereo overlap is eye strain inducing, as it is at 70° or sth, compared to the 90° of the Vive Pro. Also, it dynamically reduces brightness to reduce heat, and if you turn this awful feature off, the headset overheats to the point of the displays breaking.
I still playing vr on first htc vive and this headset is still compatible with new games (except Bonelab , this game needs valve controllers which I already bought) , so it shows that first htc vive is very good headset
@@josalt I'm still using an original vive, after watching this video I'm thinking about upgrading my headset to a vive pro 2, as the screen door effect of the original is annoying.
@@munhenfunkhenPCVR is better for some people. Higher quality, more games, and easy to develop for. More than the quest for sure. Standalone doesn’t need any wires, but has lower quality. Everyone has their own opinions.
@@gmdking Thats just like you buy a car to use in daily life. The car you bought does not have air conditioning, radio, comfortable seats and opening windows because it is faster. Sometimes buying the fastest car may not be the best option. I realised that when I connect my PC to Quest and play my story game in my bed, I can use it wherever I want on vacation, when I lose my laptop and get Excel work done with Quest at work, when I watch videos while cleaning the house, or when I watch Netflix on the big screen while I'm sleeping etc.
This was such a wonderfully done video. I started on the og vive and I hold a lot of nostalgia for it. VR was just so new and exciting at the time. The music choice especially in the video was so perfect. Slow gentle ambience, it reminds me a lot of VR back in the day. I don’t quite know how to describe it. Thankyou for investing your time into going through each vive headset, after the og vive I went to the index and never got to tryout a lot of htc’s other offerings.
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words! Yeah early VR those were the days. It was so cool. No one knew exactly what it would turn into. Yeah you arent missing out on much haha i think index is better then every vive headset
>Gets to vive pro eye, doesn't use it for anything other than neos (it can be used for eye tracking in VRchat, ChilloutVR, and Resonite aka neos's successor), doesn't use face tracker addon (understandable, those are harder to get than the pro eye itself these days, also isn't bundled with the pro eye) >Still puts it at top of list :o
The Pro Eye is still basically the S-tier facetracking headset. repairable, modable (I slammed Odyssey+ displays and GearVR lenses in mine), lighthouse tracked. There's actually plenty in the wild from my experience, but they are still so hard to come by because those that have it, don't get rid of it. It's also the only HTC VR headset using Tobii eyetracking even to this day.
Something I will say about the first generation Vive base stations is that they are basically tanks. They're such simple devices and because of that, they're durable. Lasers are lasers and eventually they will burn out, but with these stations, they're not too hard to replace if you feel like doing that rather than buying a replacement station.
Before you sell those HTC headsets, you should do a video on every Steam VR Tracking headset review, I think the only other ones are the Index and the Beyond
i have the oculus quest 2 with the link cable and its amazing its not bad i recomend for someone who wants to play pc vr you might has well just buy the link cable and you get a very good pcvr experience
Me personally dude the vive cosmos elite was one of the WORST headsets I have ever worn. I just got an index and it was a billion times better in ever single way possible. The cosmos elite is just uncomfortable as hell. It tears the skin on your face if you wear it to long. The screen door effect is just horrid. The mic sounds worse than an old xbox 360 mic. Only way I was say it was reasonable to get is if you're getting it for 100 bucks or less. Just save to get a used index like I did!
Yeah i thought the elite was OK. But thats compared to the rest of vives headsets lol. I dont think i would ever consider using it daily!! Damn i want to buy an index but its just so old now!
@@josaltI think it’s worth it if you can find a used one. I just bought a full kit for 500 and it was VERY worth but if I spent the full price of 1k I would be a bit more iffy
I don't know if HTC were delusional or straight up stupid while making most of these headsets, original Vive were practicaly in perfect spot in their time, there was no real competition, price was bearable, and technology was fairly new and that was practicaly first premium experience with VR, but the moment Rifts and Quest came out it was completely over for them, controllers on Quest were MUCH better and more comfortable, and much MUUUCH more reasonable price, original Vive Pro for this price was complete garbage, not to mention that you still had to transform your whole room into VR studio, and those outdated horrible wands they keeped selling even in newest headsets, it would be nice if they made an alternative with normal thumbsticks and buttons instead of that horrible touchpad, while yes the resolution in Vive Pro 2 is amazing it would still never justifie this price, most people don't want premium, they want usable, and Quest headsets were both affordable and damn good for these prices, not to mention far superior controllers, loosing tracking behind my back isn't really a problem for me, and since Quest Pro controllers exist it completely killed off any possible hope for HTC when it comes to superior tracking, unless HTC makes a literal revolution like full body tracking while also being affordable (which is impossible) they won't come back to VR market, and especialy not with any kind of success
Dog, what the heck happened with the pro eye microphone? That headset seems to suck in general, from the hand and eye tracking to the microphone, to even trying to buy it. Also i love the video!
I have the HTC vive pro 2 and when you get everything setup it is so good and really good for gtag but if you are getting the pro 2 get valve index controllers but the pro 2 is the best headset
hey josalt how do you feel about the rift and vive screen looks like? are they almost the same? just the overall experience not the small detail different. i got a vive kit without link box so i can't see it myself but i do have a working rift kit
Haven't watched the full video but i had the og vive i bought it used in early 2019 and probably have close to 1k hrs in steamvr (steamvr server never closes so it says i have over 5k hrs) The base stations are still working fine i have them set to always on.
39:48 That is called chromatic aberration and is in basically every vr headset. However, some headsets are better at making it less noticeable than others.
@@josalt I agree. I have never tried a vive headset but I have tried some headsets from the same time. I have the quest 3 and it basically does not exist on there. You have to focus on it and change your perspective to see it. Thank goodness though, it was definitely something they needed to upgrade! Also nice vid, very interesting to see how vive has changed throughout the years!
Im thinking of buying an OG vive to replace my oculus quest 2 as it has been giving me a lot of problems recently and I'm thinking of getting in to PCVR. I found a full kit at my local CeX for just over £100 GBP. Is it worth it or should I save up for something better such as a valve index?
Lets all hope that the new Vive Focus Vision works well. Looks a bit like a cross between the VP2 and Focus 3 (also 2448x2448 res). Better MR cameras with IR lighting for hand tracking, eye tracking, and auto IPD. Too bad they still have fresnel lens, but might not be too bad. I've preordered one from Vive Australia (au$1899) and untill mid October, this includes the streaming with DisplayPort adapter, which I'm really looking forward to trying out with flight/racing sims with my i913900k/rtx4090 PC. Fingers and toes crossed!
Awesome comparison between all the HTC headsets! I had the original HTC Vive, bought it used. Kept it a few years then sold it maybe 2 years ago. I ended up getting a Pimax Crystal after building a much beefier PC to support the resolution. I'll say the resolution of the HTC Vive was low enough my old gaming laptop could drive it just fine. But man, the screen door effect was always present. I like flight sims, and reading the gauges was always difficult unless you got up close. So I waited until a much higher res HMD came along where that wouldn't be such an issue, thus the Crystal. I knew HTC made quite a few headsets, but didn't realize they made 11! My first Android phone was a HTC DROID Incredible, good little phone.
Nice informative video mate. I've owned 3x Vive headsets over the last 5yrs; OG Cosmos, Vive Pro1, and XR Elite. My OG Cosmos has been packed away a long time ago thanks to poor tracking. My Preordered XR Elite went back for a refund because I never could get wireless PCVR to work as well as my Quest Pro. Too bad, because it was nice and comfy. I still have and use my +4.5yo VP1 (with 2x2.0 base stations, Etsy Gear VR lens mod, and Index controllers). This headset still works well and night flying in sims like msfs2020 and playing darkish games is very nice. However, the SDE is a lot more than I'd like and even with a lot of super sampling thanks to my rtx4090, the clarity is nowhere near as good as my QPro and Q3. I never bothered getting a VP2 because of its lack of oled, together with fresnel lens that could not be upgraded like my VP1 w/Etsy lens mod. Maybe wishful thinking but I'm hoping in the near future to see a Vive Pro3 with high res micro-oled screens and pancake lens. Also hopefully in a bit smaller form factor. If Vive doesn't come out with something like this I think that their days in PCVR may likely be coming to an end. Time will tell I guess. Anyway, thanks again for your vid mate and best cheers from the GC.
Hope you will do a review on the Focus vision at some point after that one comes out, I wanna hear your thoughts after all the experience you have gotten from all of these.
As someone with archery experience in the real world I'm pretty sure you don't put your hand behind your head anyways so playing a game with archery mechanics while complaining about the fact you can't put your hand behind your head kind of makes no sense since you wouldn't do that anyways it would have made more sense if you complained about it during gameplay of Half-Life alyx or The Walking Dead saints and sinners
Awesome video, very informative! Seems like every HTC headset is way overpriced for what they're able to do, compared to Meta's headsets that can do everything the HTCs can do for much less money, just with lower resolutions. And they can't seem to be able to get the tracking down on their headsets that feature built in tracking quite like Meta can.
What about vives most popular headset? (The google cardboard)
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@@ReeksofChees3 when is next upload
its wild how in like, 2016-2018 they were the kings of VR, with all the biggest youtubers hopping on the vive
Yep 140,000 sales, now its a ghost town
@@josalt Curious question. Do you think it’s unfortunate that I’ve never used any HTC products? It was mostly because I was broke at the time.
The thing with htc is they just gave up after the cosmos and just started releasing absurdly expensive enterprise/vive pro refresh’s that were worse than the original vive pro
What headset you have right now? @@CrusaderJacky
This was a Great Video! Really shows how Vive relied on Valve for the original Vive.
Thanks that's so nice of you to say!
as a vive pro 2 owner, combining it with the index controllers is like heaven
That is exactly what my PCVR setup is going to be. Higher res + amazing controllers = one of the best VR experiences in the 1000-1500$ price bracket.
If you still have the Vive Pro or Vive Pro Eye lying around there is a popular mod to swap the lenses with GearVR lenses, and the screens with Samsung Odyssey+ screens. Cuts down a ton on the glare and screen door effect.
Yeah i should have tried that! I have a gear vr
Oh,finally some good VR content. This is history of VR,good to know what we came from,and what we came through
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I remember my Vive. Used the thing till it almost broke then gave it to my friend who used it till the headset and both controllers stopped working. A very flawed but amazing headset.
watching this video again since im back in the market for a new base station tracked headset, crazy this was already 3 months ago. I remember watching the premiere.
The days go by like wild horses
It's amazing how often you can screw up the micro on HMDs.
So now not just with HTC HMDs but also with various others.
Somehow, so far only Valve has managed to install a really good microphone🤔
Vive Pro was HTCs last good HMD in my opinion lol. I've returned every other HTC Vive Product since then.
Yeah i would agree with that. They just completely lost it. I think valve basically made the vive and its all been downhill since then
Did you buy the pro 2 and return that as well?
@@josalt Is the pro 2 worth the upgrade? This video seemed to show it was. If "money wasnt an issue..."
@@brokenstring21 I didn't, because of all the bad things I kept hearing about it.
i have an original vive (2016 version i think) and have put well over 1000 hours without anything breaking besides one of the lightboxes giving out a few years ago but the other one has been running nearly 24/7 for years without dying
in 2024 the Vive Focus is going brand new for 270 and 3/5 star reviews... big shocker
dude this video is amazing ur channel is so underrated
I appreciate that!
How you only have 28k subscribers is beyond me but keep up the good work I’m loving the content and I think I speak for everyone
Thanks for the kind words
I am using the htc vive for abt 4 years now and i did actually get used to the controllers. i absolutely love this headset and i cant imagine what would have been if i hadnt bought it.
Oh wow! And you still havent upgraded?
@@josalt nope i didnt but listen. I just found a good deal yeaterday and im gonna pick up the vive pro 2 the day after tomorrow.
I have the vive pro eye with wireless adapter. Still using it as no one has released a headset that does everything it does. Disappointing that htc never released a successor for this headset.. the only thing it is lacking compared to newer headsets is resolution. This is a 5 year old headset now
you should try the microsoft tape (Windows mixed reality lenovo explorer held together by tape)
Lol
I owned a Vive 1. I really wanted a Pro, but couldn't justify the price. I now own a Quest 3 and just either SteamLink play the Meta exclusives on that. I've never seen anything past the Pro, but I've heard of the Cosmos. HTC really couldn't hold up their quality past their second rendition and that's kinda sad.
I've got a vive pro 2.
Yes, the problems all exist. Even worse is the cut down support of it: htc stopped making/ selling of the face tracker for example.
The controllers on mine are noticeable loud when rumbling. Even if you play something louder like beat saber.
And I really dislike the IPD dial. If you bump into it somehow it is on a new setting instantly and a big overlay pops up in your game.
I still like the headset and I would buy a pro 3 (if it will ever being made), if it gets improved.
Also im really surprised by the speakers on the headaset.
Yeah dont disagree with anything you said. Wouldnt get your hopes up for a 3 the bigscreen looks like the way to go.
@@josalt Yea, I also dont believe that ther ewill be a new iteration of the vive pro any time soon.
Seems HTC is trying mor ethe mixed reality route at the moment.
But who knows?
Im currently not doing that much with vr, so maybe I dont need it in a couple of years anyway X D
Or I will try some other manufacturer at some point.
A bigger field of view is always nice : )
S tier video as always
Thx!
to be honest after seeing this getting a used htc vive 1gen with a gear vr mod seems like an insane deal
Yeah does the job
Wow all these games on every headset look really good considering I only have a quest 2
PCVR is king haha
You should make a video on phone vr headsets XD
I should
Why aren't you more popular I love your videos❤
too kind 🥰
might you recomend the pro 2 since im thinking of getting it with full body tracking also to replace my quest 3 so im not sure if i should probbaly go with the pro 2 and i want to see what you think if i should get the pro 2 or to keep my quest 3
Quest 3
2024 and Quest 3 is still the only vaiable option for a decent VR headset for a decent price.
Pretty much haha
Good day when josalt posts
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You should buy every SteamVR headset after this!
Index, Beyond, Pimax, etc
There are so many 🤣 That would kill me
another banger. I have no idea how you can afford all these headsets though XD
buying and re selling as i go through
@@josalt smart!, did you keep any headsets by the end?
Great video, can you do a video like this one but about the chinese vr headsets?
Id love to!
Awesome Video Bro!!
Thanks for the visit
is the biggest thing to be able to get into vr is to have a good PC?
my quest 2 works fine enough but for the best performance its 100% important
14:10 NAHH not the 🟧⬛intro☠.
Besides the joke R.I.P to the owner of the vr headset may they have a peaceful rest
Great video
Do you think og htc vive is good option to get to steam vr for cheap?
Yeah definitely! Can upgrade to valve knuckle controllers later on!
@@josalt alright thanks!
Whats the song at 23:00
HOLY SHIT, I'VE WATCHED THE OCULUS VIDEO ON REPEAT A MILLION TIMES AND NOW THIS COMES OUT!???
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So the vive still really good?
Ehh quest is better
7:22 Not the Veeve 😂
one question, how did you afford all these headsets?
Buying and selling them as i went
I can't believe they did so much with the focus. It's too much.
Lit Ong fr skibidi
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@@josaltfr fr? Nocap?
do windows mixed reality next
there are 12 i think 🤣 im broke
test the valve index im trying to get one but idk if its worth it
It isn't. Don't get me wrong, it is a good headset, but it is massively outdated by this point. You'd be better off either waiting or just getting a quest 3. This is coming from someone that was very against using a quest for years, it's just hard to justify recommending or purchasing an index in 2024 when the quest 3 gives you better displays and 95% of the experience in every other area. Unless you can get an index for cheap, I can't say its worth it.
I should! Also heloo!
@@josalt hi josalt
Love this ❤
this is super interesting stuff
Yeah there is so much stuff could have made the video like 3 hours long haha
ah yes Jacksepticeye, the HTC viiv
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bro thought he could hide the 🟧⬛ intro at 14:10
hehe
Why was your texture resolution so low in half life alyx? I swear it looked better
Accidentally had a graphics setting on. I think it was dynamic resolution
I love these kinds of videos :)
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Did not realize vive made so many headsets
Ikr!!
@@josaltbusiness version?!
And all of them are absolute garbage. Except the OG vive.
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I don’t even know how a small content creator can spend so much on content this is such a good channel
I buy and sell them as i go along and thanks! Thats nice of you to say!
@@josalt also do you have a discord server?
@@DeckDive discord.com/invite/7yyNUmGwxC
I had no idea the OG Vive had a pass through cam! Wow, that's very ahead of its time.
Yeah crazy! Valve know there stuff
i have the OG vive and i didn't know either... i mean i see the cam on the device but i forget about it and dont know how to turn it on lmao
@@nidgithm theres a setting in steamvr to use it
Yeah, It sucked balls. It was a tiny virtual display that anchored to one of the vive controllers. it was black and white at 30 FPS I believe. I used it once and that was it.
Great video!
Just FYI, the Vive Pro 2 has a big rang of other issues.
Just like the Focus 3 (same optical design), it oversaturates colors, so that they look completely wrong.
On top of that, the stereo overlap is eye strain inducing, as it is at 70° or sth, compared to the 90° of the Vive Pro.
Also, it dynamically reduces brightness to reduce heat, and if you turn this awful feature off, the headset overheats to the point of the displays breaking.
Yeah i dohnt know what HTC are doing... I didnt run into those issues but i loved the pro !
Finally someone actually recognizes the other Vive headsets besides the OG Vive.
I still playing vr on first htc vive and this headset is still compatible with new games (except Bonelab , this game needs valve controllers which I already bought) , so it shows that first htc vive is very good headset
Yeah its still very usable in 2024 which is nuts.
@@josalt I'm still using an original vive, after watching this video I'm thinking about upgrading my headset to a vive pro 2, as the screen door effect of the original is annoying.
@@MrRaffles1234 bro are you crazy? Just buy quest 3 standalone vrs are best.
@@munhenfunkhenPCVR is better for some people. Higher quality, more games, and easy to develop for. More than the quest for sure. Standalone doesn’t need any wires, but has lower quality. Everyone has their own opinions.
@@gmdking Thats just like you buy a car to use in daily life. The car you bought does not have air conditioning, radio, comfortable seats and opening windows because it is faster. Sometimes buying the fastest car may not be the best option. I realised that when I connect my PC to Quest and play my story game in my bed, I can use it wherever I want on vacation, when I lose my laptop and get Excel work done with Quest at work, when I watch videos while cleaning the house, or when I watch Netflix on the big screen while I'm sleeping etc.
Been a while 🤪
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This was such a wonderfully done video. I started on the og vive and I hold a lot of nostalgia for it. VR was just so new and exciting at the time. The music choice especially in the video was so perfect. Slow gentle ambience, it reminds me a lot of VR back in the day. I don’t quite know how to describe it.
Thankyou for investing your time into going through each vive headset, after the og vive I went to the index and never got to tryout a lot of htc’s other offerings.
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words! Yeah early VR those were the days. It was so cool. No one knew exactly what it would turn into. Yeah you arent missing out on much haha i think index is better then every vive headset
>Gets to vive pro eye, doesn't use it for anything other than neos (it can be used for eye tracking in VRchat, ChilloutVR, and Resonite aka neos's successor), doesn't use face tracker addon (understandable, those are harder to get than the pro eye itself these days, also isn't bundled with the pro eye)
>Still puts it at top of list
:o
The Pro Eye is still basically the S-tier facetracking headset. repairable, modable (I slammed Odyssey+ displays and GearVR lenses in mine), lighthouse tracked.
There's actually plenty in the wild from my experience, but they are still so hard to come by because those that have it, don't get rid of it.
It's also the only HTC VR headset using Tobii eyetracking even to this day.
i was actually searching up the history of vive with all the vive headsets and there werent any vids about them, UNTIL NOW! TYSM!
Thanks for the nice words
I have Covid and didn't notice this video was an hour long, thank you for keeping me distracted 😆
Get well soon!
14:09 am i the only one who heard the Memehub community intro?
Something I will say about the first generation Vive base stations is that they are basically tanks. They're such simple devices and because of that, they're durable. Lasers are lasers and eventually they will burn out, but with these stations, they're not too hard to replace if you feel like doing that rather than buying a replacement station.
Before you sell those HTC headsets, you should do a video on every Steam VR Tracking headset review, I think the only other ones are the Index and the Beyond
I forgot about the Pimax headsets, those will destroy any budget
i have the oculus quest 2 with the link cable and its amazing its not bad i recomend for someone who wants to play pc vr you might has well just buy the link cable and you get a very good pcvr experience
Insane how much they “fell off”, these were literally THE guys for VR in 2016-2019 (probably died around the release of the Index and the Quest)
Bro did you forget your password 💀
Been cooking 👩🍳
been waiting for this one!
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Me personally dude the vive cosmos elite was one of the WORST headsets I have ever worn. I just got an index and it was a billion times better in ever single way possible. The cosmos elite is just uncomfortable as hell. It tears the skin on your face if you wear it to long. The screen door effect is just horrid. The mic sounds worse than an old xbox 360 mic. Only way I was say it was reasonable to get is if you're getting it for 100 bucks or less. Just save to get a used index like I did!
Yeah i thought the elite was OK. But thats compared to the rest of vives headsets lol. I dont think i would ever consider using it daily!! Damn i want to buy an index but its just so old now!
@@josaltI think it’s worth it if you can find a used one. I just bought a full kit for 500 and it was VERY worth but if I spent the full price of 1k I would be a bit more iffy
I don't know if HTC were delusional or straight up stupid while making most of these headsets, original Vive were practicaly in perfect spot in their time, there was no real competition, price was bearable, and technology was fairly new and that was practicaly first premium experience with VR, but the moment Rifts and Quest came out it was completely over for them, controllers on Quest were MUCH better and more comfortable, and much MUUUCH more reasonable price, original Vive Pro for this price was complete garbage, not to mention that you still had to transform your whole room into VR studio, and those outdated horrible wands they keeped selling even in newest headsets, it would be nice if they made an alternative with normal thumbsticks and buttons instead of that horrible touchpad, while yes the resolution in Vive Pro 2 is amazing it would still never justifie this price, most people don't want premium, they want usable, and Quest headsets were both affordable and damn good for these prices, not to mention far superior controllers, loosing tracking behind my back isn't really a problem for me, and since Quest Pro controllers exist it completely killed off any possible hope for HTC when it comes to superior tracking, unless HTC makes a literal revolution like full body tracking while also being affordable (which is impossible) they won't come back to VR market, and especialy not with any kind of success
excellent video. underrated channel. i can only imagine i found this because i started using my vive again to compare it to quest 3. keep it up man
Much appreciated!
can u put the mic closer to ur mouth? its not quite cringe enough....
This is amazing.
I loved the Oculus one. This one's the same!
I'm so jealous of you, lol.
Thanks legend!
Dog, what the heck happened with the pro eye microphone? That headset seems to suck in general, from the hand and eye tracking to the microphone, to even trying to buy it. Also i love the video!
Lol yeah i didnt mind using it tbh but it could have been so much better
I have the HTC vive pro 2 and when you get everything setup it is so good and really good for gtag but if you are getting the pro 2 get valve index controllers but the pro 2 is the best headset
hey josalt how do you feel about the rift and vive screen looks like? are they almost the same?
just the overall experience not the small detail different.
i got a vive kit without link box so i can't see it myself but i do have a working rift kit
Been sticking with my Pro Eye for 3 years now because nothings been worth upgrading to
Yeah that was an awesome headset!
this video makes me want to buy a pro 2, i love it
Yeah resolution is nuts but get big screen beyond haha
Haven't watched the full video but i had the og vive i bought it used in early 2019 and probably have close to 1k hrs in steamvr (steamvr server never closes so it says i have over 5k hrs)
The base stations are still working fine i have them set to always on.
39:48 That is called chromatic aberration and is in basically every vr headset. However, some headsets are better at making it less noticeable than others.
Oo thats the word for it! I feel like the oculus headset have a lot less it gets extreme on the vive ones.
@@josalt I agree. I have never tried a vive headset but I have tried some headsets from the same time. I have the quest 3 and it basically does not exist on there. You have to focus on it and change your perspective to see it. Thank goodness though, it was definitely something they needed to upgrade! Also nice vid, very interesting to see how vive has changed throughout the years!
7:24 I love the HTC Veev
VEEEEEV
Introducing the new HTC vevv
man, you just do the best vr content, like, just keep going please
Im thinking of buying an OG vive to replace my oculus quest 2 as it has been giving me a lot of problems recently and I'm thinking of getting in to PCVR. I found a full kit at my local CeX for just over £100 GBP. Is it worth it or should I save up for something better such as a valve index?
Lets all hope that the new Vive Focus Vision works well. Looks a bit like a cross between the VP2 and Focus 3 (also 2448x2448 res). Better MR cameras with IR lighting for hand tracking, eye tracking, and auto IPD. Too bad they still have fresnel lens, but might not be too bad. I've preordered one from Vive Australia (au$1899) and untill mid October, this includes the streaming with DisplayPort adapter, which I'm really looking forward to trying out with flight/racing sims with my i913900k/rtx4090 PC. Fingers and toes crossed!
Conclusion: The quest 2 is better then alll of the vive headsests
yep
@@josalt yep??????????????????????? You have to be kidding me
@@brokenstring21 wdym? After using all the HTC headsets i would personally not buy a single one of there products again.
@@josalt Nah, aint not way the quest 2 is better than vive pro or vive pro 2, not really buying that..,
@@brokenstring21 Quest 2 is def better.
For me Vive Cosmos was the beginning of the end. It was clear at this point that without Valve's guidance these guys will not pull through
Awesome comparison between all the HTC headsets! I had the original HTC Vive, bought it used. Kept it a few years then sold it maybe 2 years ago. I ended up getting a Pimax Crystal after building a much beefier PC to support the resolution. I'll say the resolution of the HTC Vive was low enough my old gaming laptop could drive it just fine. But man, the screen door effect was always present. I like flight sims, and reading the gauges was always difficult unless you got up close. So I waited until a much higher res HMD came along where that wouldn't be such an issue, thus the Crystal. I knew HTC made quite a few headsets, but didn't realize they made 11! My first Android phone was a HTC DROID Incredible, good little phone.
They make more headsets than games
yep
Nice informative video mate. I've owned 3x Vive headsets over the last 5yrs; OG Cosmos, Vive Pro1, and XR Elite. My OG Cosmos has been packed away a long time ago thanks to poor tracking. My Preordered XR Elite went back for a refund because I never could get wireless PCVR to work as well as my Quest Pro. Too bad, because it was nice and comfy.
I still have and use my +4.5yo VP1 (with 2x2.0 base stations, Etsy Gear VR lens mod, and Index controllers). This headset still works well and night flying in sims like msfs2020 and playing darkish games is very nice. However, the SDE is a lot more than I'd like and even with a lot of super sampling thanks to my rtx4090, the clarity is nowhere near as good as my QPro and Q3. I never bothered getting a VP2 because of its lack of oled, together with fresnel lens that could not be upgraded like my VP1 w/Etsy lens mod.
Maybe wishful thinking but I'm hoping in the near future to see a Vive Pro3 with high res micro-oled screens and pancake lens. Also hopefully in a bit smaller form factor. If Vive doesn't come out with something like this I think that their days in PCVR may likely be coming to an end. Time will tell I guess. Anyway, thanks again for your vid mate and best cheers from the GC.
The editing on this video is great, it's a shame it didn't get more views
oh my god, this was a 1 hour video.. i didn't even notice :o
Thats so nice of you to say!
bro didn't like any of them
Review every Pico headset
Id love to
Hope you will do a review on the Focus vision at some point after that one comes out, I wanna hear your thoughts after all the experience you have gotten from all of these.
Shounts from another VRs user. The Vive Pro was under-appreciated. The AMOLED panels are world class.
I keep coming back to these 2 videos. The layout of tbe video, each headset, the story behind them. I'm not sure what is it's just cool.
As someone with archery experience in the real world I'm pretty sure you don't put your hand behind your head anyways so playing a game with archery mechanics while complaining about the fact you can't put your hand behind your head kind of makes no sense since you wouldn't do that anyways it would have made more sense if you complained about it during gameplay of Half-Life alyx or The Walking Dead saints and sinners
7:23 Ah, the HTC Veev.
14:10 did i just hear corn hub intro
I love this series!
Thanks mate!
@@josalt I remember when the oculus video came out and i loved it, keep up the amazing work =)
Awesome video, very informative! Seems like every HTC headset is way overpriced for what they're able to do, compared to Meta's headsets that can do everything the HTCs can do for much less money, just with lower resolutions. And they can't seem to be able to get the tracking down on their headsets that feature built in tracking quite like Meta can.
Yeah they really seam to struggle in the engineering and software department