I had never considered this, this is awesome. Becky could literally be like the opposite of her caretaker. When she "gives her medicine" it could just be the drugs that keep Terry in the comatose state. That Terry would've come out of it on her own, had Brenner not employed Becky to keep her drugged up.
Just a thought I had- Kali can manipulate the mind like Henry. El can use telepathy like Henry. El can also create gates and do her mind spying. El is seemingly stronger than Henry and Kali both. Could it not bare to reason that she could manipulate what a person sees/dreams exactly like Henry? Also, did Henry create the mind flayer when he was first pushed into the UD, or was it already there? If he created it himself then that’s much like your Will theory. If it was already there- then perhaps young Henry sensed it somehow and it’s what made him turn evil as a child. He was seemingly okay before coming to Hawkins from what I gather. A little odd, but aren’t we all. Could the mindflayer have sensed Henry’s power and turned him without anyone even knowing? So many things to ruminate upon.
The Mindflayer is independent of Henry, & already existed inside of the dimension Eleven banished One to. In the stageplay, part of the storyline has Patty Newby's father I think.... who actually draws the Mindflayer (similar to how Will draw the MF in S2) with blood on his hands telling Patty that Henry actually saved him from the Mindflayer....suggesting that the Mindflayer is the big ultimate villain who is only using Henry to be able to open a gate to the world so that it can devour it & takeover it just as Dustin theorized in S4 about Vecna being the Mindflayer's 5 star general & that it's goal is to take over the world.
Eleven is only beginning to understand the full extent of her powers at the end of S4. It's hinted at that Eleven will have the power to Freaken FLY even! Both Brenner & Mike hint at it in S4! What I find interesting is Kali's ability to make herself & others invisible, & cause hallucinations in real time. This opens up a whole avenue of Henry or another character having been around all along manipulating events &/or observing...but just invisible without anyone even realizing it as yet!
This is why I'm hoping Kali returns in season 5. Of all the kids we saw in season 4, they all seemed to just have telekinesis. But we know Kali seemingly only has the ability to project visions into a person's mind. Which is exactly what Vecna can do. So I'm thinking Henry is the one who taught Kali how to master her powers. I also think Kali might be the key to saving Max. Max is blind right? But Kali can make people see things. So perhaps Kali can do something (idk exactly what) to give Max her sight back.
She gives sus vibes also cause there's no genuine affection toward her sister Terry and her niece Jane. She's cold af. How Becky is able to make sure Mama doesn't wake up from her dream?
Becky Ives is a caretaker for someone who can’t be left alone. Momma probably needs to be fed, bathed, and is probably incontinent. Becky is young and her life is consumed with taking care of her sister. I don’t find her behavior suspicious at all.
I believe that the comment about 5 years too late is a reliable one imo. Becky is 100% sus af though. I want to point out that if 5 years from 1984 (the year of season 2) would be ... 1979. And what major event occurs in 1979?!? Vecna is cast to the update down by el. Just food for thought there. Also, great catch with the bonsai tree clue. There's totally a hint with that thread. I'm curious if you are familiar with the suspicious minds story? It's relative to the Terry Ives story and it's supposed to be cannon. Terry was a subject of dr Brenner just as all of the numbers. He used Terry somehow and you are right on point with the connection with Terry and Brenner
RIGHT! Like the obvious answer is that Teryy could have just told her, and that could have been something that Becky just never believed. But it's how she asks if it's that room specifically. I couldn't tell you how many rooms are at Hawkins Lab, but I would assume there are 100s lol. So for her to say The Rainbow Room specifically made ZERO sense to me, UNLESS she's involved. Much love fam!
@ that and when you rewatch it, it’s seem obvious that’s she somehow involved in Hawkins getting 11… like rewatching Titanic, the old ladies face when he says the diamond 💎 went down with the ship… her face says it all, but you only see it on the rewatch, and this show has so so many layers and clues. Love your channel
Damn, some great catches. I was thinking if Terry is Alice, then Becky was like a foster sister or something, I didn't think about her as someone related to Hawkins.
Maybe Becky Ives could be the person in the lab, she had to look after Mom and report if anything unusual happened to Dr. Brenner. After all, she also had some tests in the lab and maybe they didn't know for sure whether their memory erasure technique was working well. Then Becky lives peacefully, she would probably make money from it and Terry doesn't bother her. Theory 2 It seems that Becky lives somewhat isolated, only with her sister and I don't remember if she had any neighbors, but if you live alone, in peace and suddenly a policeman comes, she may be irritated and suspicious because she doesn't want to be involved in some shit Becky may also not have been aware that something strange was happening, Brenner could have told her some false story, he could have given her money as a sort of "compensation" for the loss of her sister Is this a good dream I don't know - Becky doesn't get involved, maybe because she has feelings involved in this situation with her sister and she just doesn't want to think about it, that she might have a bad dream and feel pain. Or maybe she just knows that Terry had a bad dream, maybe she screamed or said something sometimes and didn't want to make El sad. After that she includes her with that if Terry has the same dream, maybe she really don't know, but if like I said before, Terry sometimes acted out, and was saying something, Becky should have know if she was saying the same things. The rest of the evidences are interesting and they kinda are convincing to me that something is definetly off🤨 I am just not sure what exacly. Yet
I feel like El shouldn't trust anyone the next season, Including Mike, not necessarily that he's evil. She should use her powers to go into each everyone's minds. I feel like if she would've gotten into Becky's head instead of Mama's mind she would have found out a whole load of shiii, and there might have not be s3, 4 and 5.
No doubt in my mind they intentionally left out the involvement with Mama and Becky. I truly think they will revisit everything with her, and that's an amazing point. If El goes back there and say "acts" like she's going into Mama's mind, yet she goes into Becky's. That would be an amazing way to get information that Mama isn't giving us, or can't give us. Amazing thought I love that!
Why would Becky call Hopper though, if she wants El to stay with her? Bc she knows that Hopper was looking for her, so if she tells him that she found her, he will probably want to come and get her. So if aunt Becky works for Brenner, it wouldn't make sense for her to let Hopper know that she found El instead of telling only Brenner. Something is a bit off there...
Karen Wheeler is Alice Creel: 1. Vecna shows Nancy a vision of Hawkins’ future destruction. 2. This ties back to Will’s disappearance. 3. Karen appears on the Stranger Things Season 4 poster, positioned above the Creel House. 4. This could lead to Holly Wheeler’s disappearance in Season 5.
That would explain Nancy's ability to use firearms like an expert with no training, one thing that Dr. Brenner wanted to do was create super soldiers and assassins, Alice the sister of Henry showed no powers, so Dr.Brenner has her mind erased so she didn't know she was Alice, had her adopted out where she became Karen. Because she was the sister of Henry she carried dormant DNA for powers which were passed on to Nancy. In season one Nancy went to practice shooting guns with Jonathan, he couldn't hit anything with a gun, while Nancy was able to use the gun like an expert, a sheltered upper middle class girl who grew up in a home with with no guns. Mr Wheeler was no hunter or gun enthusiast. Nancy in every season was the party's go the person where firearms were needed. Nancy could use rifles, shotguns, and pistols with effectiveness and ease, yet she never had formal weapons training. She was the result of Dr. Brenners experiments. Nancy was lucky that the powers didn't show up until shooting a gun for the first time with Jonathan. If Dr. Brenner had known Nancy had powers she would have ended up in the Rainbow room with a number on her arm like El!
@@xyzxyz7042you are the only one I’ve ever seen to mention Nancy’s ability to use a gun like that! When I first watched seasons 1 &2 I thought she might be a Russian spy/sleeper agent. It’s so weird!
I never thought about this before but I am 100% convinced now. Becky is a Hawkins Lab plant. Season 5 maybe El talks to her mom again and mentions Becky and Terry goes "I don't have a sister".
Do you consider that Brenner is Henry’s father? That would explain why he wanted Eleven to find 001 in the Upside Down. Brenner is 000. Maybe Soteria blocks his powers. He survived Demogorgan attack in season 1.
Definitely going to be getting started on The Brenner Theory soon. I've strayed away form too much to do with him, just to save it for his own theory because his character has SO MANY unanswered and confusing situations.
Absolutely amazing theory dude lol I'll add if Mama is indeed Alice Kreel is it possible Brenner put her in this dream state so Vecna cannot reach her. And maybe Vecna never knows 11 is his niece 🤯. Brenner always tells Eleven he's been protecting her, but how and from what/whom?
Exactly where my mind set is at currently lol! There just has to be more to the Mama story, why she has NEVER gotten better. There's so much about this we don't know for sure, and Vecna not being able to find her makes perfect sense. It reminds me of how Eleven can't find Max at the end of S4. It was just black and nothing, except with Mama she's at least awake, yet still pretty much black and nothing. Just that flashback, so no doubt S5 should have answers in my opinion. Much love always my friend!
Another theory could be that Moma aka Terry Ives isn't Alice Creel, but was made pregnant by Henry Creel aka Veckna, and Eleven is Henry's daughter. Terry Ives aka Moma based on photos appears to have been a volunteer college student who signed up for experiments at the lab for quick dollars. Realizing that Terry Ives actually had powers, dormant but awakened by Dr. Brenner, Dr, Brenner then came up with idea to use Henry as a human stallion and try to breed more children with super powers with woman who showed possible powers. Hence all the children in the lab/rainbow room. And to get control of the children he Dr. Brenner either had them kidnapped from their mothers, or lobotomies like Terry Ivey received to remove memories of what happened.. Kali was kidnapped after her mother was made pregnant by Henry Creel! As to Dr. Brenner he was with his all white hair in the 1980's he was possibly born in the early 1920's, which means he could have been a young genius Phd in the 1940's. Having graduated from a German university, Dr. Brenner could have been recruited by the bad people in Germany to create a master race. After WW2 many German scientists were brought to USA to continue their work, with Dr. Brenner free to continue his work at Hawkins lab. German scientists in WW2 tattooed numbers on their victims arms as does Dr. Brenner at Hawkins lab.
I dont know y but Ted ( Mike's Father ) seems a bit odd to me like he is not at all concerned about anything a bit bit sus to me. Maybe he was also a part of MK Ultra .
I have a theory I'm dropping sometime soon, not directly about XFiles. But definitely about some secret agent type vibes! Stay tuned fam, much love always!
LMFAO! This time I actually mean Mind Flying, like how Eleven finds people. Unless my initial thought of Mama being the Monster ends up true... I've strayed away from that though lol. Much love fam!
I had never considered this, this is awesome.
Becky could literally be like the opposite of her caretaker. When she "gives her medicine" it could just be the drugs that keep Terry in the comatose state. That Terry would've come out of it on her own, had Brenner not employed Becky to keep her drugged up.
Just a thought I had- Kali can manipulate the mind like Henry. El can use telepathy like Henry. El can also create gates and do her mind spying. El is seemingly stronger than Henry and Kali both. Could it not bare to reason that she could manipulate what a person sees/dreams exactly like Henry?
Also, did Henry create the mind flayer when he was first pushed into the UD, or was it already there? If he created it himself then that’s much like your Will theory. If it was already there- then perhaps young Henry sensed it somehow and it’s what made him turn evil as a child. He was seemingly okay before coming to Hawkins from what I gather. A little odd, but aren’t we all. Could the mindflayer have sensed Henry’s power and turned him without anyone even knowing? So many things to ruminate upon.
The Mindflayer is independent of Henry, & already existed inside of the dimension Eleven banished One to.
In the stageplay, part of the storyline has Patty Newby's father I think.... who actually draws the Mindflayer (similar to how Will draw the MF in S2) with blood on his hands telling Patty that Henry actually saved him from the Mindflayer....suggesting that the Mindflayer is the big ultimate villain who is only using Henry to be able to open a gate to the world so that it can devour it & takeover it just as Dustin theorized in S4 about Vecna being the Mindflayer's 5 star general & that it's goal is to take over the world.
Eleven is only beginning to understand the full extent of her powers at the end of S4. It's hinted at that Eleven will have the power to Freaken FLY even! Both Brenner & Mike hint at it in S4!
What I find interesting is Kali's ability to make herself & others invisible, & cause hallucinations in real time. This opens up a whole avenue of Henry or another character having been around all along manipulating events &/or observing...but just invisible without anyone even realizing it as yet!
This is why I'm hoping Kali returns in season 5.
Of all the kids we saw in season 4, they all seemed to just have telekinesis. But we know Kali seemingly only has the ability to project visions into a person's mind. Which is exactly what Vecna can do. So I'm thinking Henry is the one who taught Kali how to master her powers.
I also think Kali might be the key to saving Max. Max is blind right? But Kali can make people see things. So perhaps Kali can do something (idk exactly what) to give Max her sight back.
Wow! Im only 6 minutes in!! Never thought about this stuff!!! Well done!
what if Becky Ives is just there to make sure Terry doesn't do anything the lab doesn't want.
She gives sus vibes also cause there's no genuine affection toward her sister Terry and her niece Jane. She's cold af. How Becky is able to make sure Mama doesn't wake up from her dream?
Becky Ives is a caretaker for someone who can’t be left alone. Momma probably needs to be fed, bathed, and is probably incontinent. Becky is young and her life is consumed with taking care of her sister. I don’t find her behavior suspicious at all.
Becky also gives me suspicious vibes
I believe that the comment about 5 years too late is a reliable one imo. Becky is 100% sus af though. I want to point out that if 5 years from 1984 (the year of season 2) would be ... 1979. And what major event occurs in 1979?!? Vecna is cast to the update down by el. Just food for thought there. Also, great catch with the bonsai tree clue. There's totally a hint with that thread. I'm curious if you are familiar with the suspicious minds story? It's relative to the Terry Ives story and it's supposed to be cannon. Terry was a subject of dr Brenner just as all of the numbers. He used Terry somehow and you are right on point with the connection with Terry and Brenner
🤯 the rainbow room!!!! Becky always seemed off, but never picked up on the rainbow room!!
RIGHT! Like the obvious answer is that Teryy could have just told her, and that could have been something that Becky just never believed. But it's how she asks if it's that room specifically. I couldn't tell you how many rooms are at Hawkins Lab, but I would assume there are 100s lol. So for her to say The Rainbow Room specifically made ZERO sense to me, UNLESS she's involved. Much love fam!
@ that and when you rewatch it, it’s seem obvious that’s she somehow involved in Hawkins getting 11… like rewatching Titanic, the old ladies face when he says the diamond 💎 went down with the ship… her face says it all, but you only see it on the rewatch, and this show has so so many layers and clues. Love your channel
@@dannyscales168 LMFAO I love the Titanic reference! That just made me bust out laughing, it's so true though! Much love fam! 🤣🤣🤣
Very accurate and makes perfect sense . I knew something was always off about her too
Damn, some great catches. I was thinking if Terry is Alice, then Becky was like a foster sister or something, I didn't think about her as someone related to Hawkins.
Maybe Becky Ives could be the person in the lab, she had to look after Mom and report if anything unusual happened to Dr. Brenner. After all, she also had some tests in the lab and maybe they didn't know for sure whether their memory erasure technique was working well. Then Becky lives peacefully, she would probably make money from it and Terry doesn't bother her.
Theory 2 It seems that Becky lives somewhat isolated, only with her sister and I don't remember if she had any neighbors, but if you live alone, in peace and suddenly a policeman comes, she may be irritated and suspicious because she doesn't want to be involved in some shit
Becky may also not have been aware that something strange was happening, Brenner could have told her some false story, he could have given her money as a sort of "compensation" for the loss of her sister
Is this a good dream
I don't know - Becky doesn't get involved, maybe because she has feelings involved in this situation with her sister and she just doesn't want to think about it, that she might have a bad dream and feel pain. Or maybe she just knows that Terry had a bad dream, maybe she screamed or said something sometimes and didn't want to make El sad.
After that she includes her with that if Terry has the same dream, maybe she really don't know, but if like I said before, Terry sometimes acted out, and was saying something, Becky should have know if she was saying the same things.
The rest of the evidences are interesting and they kinda are convincing to me that something is definetly off🤨
I am just not sure what exacly. Yet
Becky Brenner… maybe Papa had a wife or a sister. 🤷♀️ That ring is an interesting necklace choice.
I feel like El shouldn't trust anyone the next season, Including Mike, not necessarily that he's evil. She should use her powers to go into each everyone's minds. I feel like if she would've gotten into Becky's head instead of Mama's mind she would have found out a whole load of shiii, and there might have not be s3, 4 and 5.
No doubt in my mind they intentionally left out the involvement with Mama and Becky. I truly think they will revisit everything with her, and that's an amazing point. If El goes back there and say "acts" like she's going into Mama's mind, yet she goes into Becky's. That would be an amazing way to get information that Mama isn't giving us, or can't give us. Amazing thought I love that!
Why would Becky call Hopper though, if she wants El to stay with her? Bc she knows that Hopper was looking for her, so if she tells him that she found her, he will probably want to come and get her. So if aunt Becky works for Brenner, it wouldn't make sense for her to let Hopper know that she found El instead of telling only Brenner. Something is a bit off there...
Karen Wheeler is Alice Creel:
1. Vecna shows Nancy a vision of Hawkins’ future destruction.
2. This ties back to Will’s disappearance.
3. Karen appears on the Stranger Things Season 4 poster, positioned above the Creel House.
4. This could lead to Holly Wheeler’s disappearance in Season 5.
That would explain Nancy's ability to use firearms like an expert with no training, one thing that Dr. Brenner wanted to do was create super soldiers and assassins, Alice the sister of Henry showed no powers, so Dr.Brenner has her mind erased so she didn't know she was Alice, had her adopted out where she became Karen. Because she was the sister of Henry she carried dormant DNA for powers which were passed on to Nancy. In season one Nancy went to practice shooting guns with Jonathan, he couldn't hit anything with a gun, while Nancy was able to use the gun like an expert, a sheltered upper middle class girl who grew up in a home with with no guns. Mr Wheeler was no hunter or gun enthusiast. Nancy in every season was the party's go the person where firearms were needed. Nancy could use rifles, shotguns, and pistols with effectiveness and ease, yet she never had formal weapons training. She was the result of Dr. Brenners experiments. Nancy was lucky that the powers didn't show up until shooting a gun for the first time with Jonathan. If Dr. Brenner had known Nancy had powers she would have ended up in the Rainbow room with a number on her arm like El!
@@xyzxyz7042you are the only one I’ve ever seen to mention Nancy’s ability to use a gun like that! When I first watched seasons 1 &2 I thought she might be a Russian spy/sleeper agent. It’s so weird!
I really think she says her dad taught her when she was younger how to use a gun I'm going to go back and look for that
I never thought about this before but I am 100% convinced now. Becky is a Hawkins Lab plant.
Season 5 maybe El talks to her mom again and mentions Becky and Terry goes "I don't have a sister".
That's the exact scene I am hoping for lol! Would be such a twist and an epic way to bring back Mama's character for sure!
Do you consider that Brenner is Henry’s father? That would explain why he wanted Eleven to find 001 in the Upside Down. Brenner is 000. Maybe Soteria blocks his powers. He survived Demogorgan attack in season 1.
yesss omgg im so rooting for this one
Definitely going to be getting started on The Brenner Theory soon. I've strayed away form too much to do with him, just to save it for his own theory because his character has SO MANY unanswered and confusing situations.
Absolutely amazing theory dude lol I'll add if Mama is indeed Alice Kreel is it possible Brenner put her in this dream state so Vecna cannot reach her. And maybe Vecna never knows 11 is his niece 🤯. Brenner always tells Eleven he's been protecting her, but how and from what/whom?
Exactly where my mind set is at currently lol! There just has to be more to the Mama story, why she has NEVER gotten better. There's so much about this we don't know for sure, and Vecna not being able to find her makes perfect sense. It reminds me of how Eleven can't find Max at the end of S4. It was just black and nothing, except with Mama she's at least awake, yet still pretty much black and nothing. Just that flashback, so no doubt S5 should have answers in my opinion. Much love always my friend!
@DLA_AlternativePodcast yup we're on the same wave length lol keep churning these videos out my dude. They're awesome
Way too many questions 😅 need season 5 asap
RIGHT! For real! LOL!
Another theory could be that Moma aka Terry Ives isn't Alice Creel, but was made pregnant by Henry Creel aka Veckna, and Eleven is Henry's daughter. Terry Ives aka Moma based on photos appears to have been a volunteer college student who signed up for experiments at the lab for quick dollars. Realizing that Terry Ives actually had powers, dormant but awakened by Dr. Brenner, Dr, Brenner then came up with idea to use Henry as a human stallion and try to breed more children with super powers with woman who showed possible powers. Hence all the children in the lab/rainbow room. And to get control of the children he Dr. Brenner either had them kidnapped from their mothers, or lobotomies like Terry Ivey received to remove memories of what happened.. Kali was kidnapped after her mother was made pregnant by Henry Creel! As to Dr. Brenner he was with his all white hair in the 1980's he was possibly born in the early 1920's, which means he could have been a young genius Phd in the 1940's. Having graduated from a German university, Dr. Brenner could have been recruited by the bad people in Germany to create a master race. After WW2 many German scientists were brought to USA to continue their work, with Dr. Brenner free to continue his work at Hawkins lab. German scientists in WW2 tattooed numbers on their victims arms as does Dr. Brenner at Hawkins lab.
I dont know y but Ted ( Mike's Father ) seems a bit odd to me like he is not at all concerned about anything a bit bit sus to me.
Maybe he was also a part of MK Ultra .
Interesting point! And he is all like "They are from the government. They will protect us."
@@One-z6y Exactly this seems a little suspicious to me. Maybe he is a secret agent or something. 😅
He’s just every American dad lol
In the words of The X-FILES, Trust No One. The Duffer Bros might be pulling from them too.
I have a theory I'm dropping sometime soon, not directly about XFiles. But definitely about some secret agent type vibes! Stay tuned fam, much love always!
Not Mama mind flying 😹
LMFAO! This time I actually mean Mind Flying, like how Eleven finds people. Unless my initial thought of Mama being the Monster ends up true... I've strayed away from that though lol. Much love fam!
I seen someone said she was Ellen mom handler lol
Letter B. Becky is gonna die (like Barb, Bob, Billy, Benny, Brenner)
Yeah I like this one.