Thank you for sharing, ladies! The most important thing about rectifying what we mised is going to those people we disbeleived and apologize to them. Invite others who we may have forgotten about who we hurt to come to us. Also, if youve said hurtful things at the beginning of this whole scandal, its important to acknowledge that. I am disgusted at some of the most up and coming advocates who have changed their tune pretty drastically since this started. They need to be specific and name the things theyve said, apologize and explain why they have changed their beliefs. Blaize Forret has a major amount of work to do on this. If hes going to blab endlessly, he needs to retrace endlessly. He has plenty of explaining to do. I find that Christian men over all find it hard to admit that they were wrong and apologize. Ive been through 2 cults and find this to be so important. I think a big part of being able to do this is to be able to forgive ourselves.
I could write a book about my experiences there. I'm glad I was able to clarify that you weren't talking about me...I wouldn't want to be and I am not that other guy! Light should be shined on all of this because the pain of past hurts remain when things are kept in the darkness!
That's so strange how I listened again and realized how I got it wrong. I mean hey...I have been wrong before. I wonder why I would feel like I was being talked about or why I would care...oh yeah, now I remember, and then I realized you were talking about IHOP, and remembered all those thousands of memories, both beautiful and hurtful. You mentioned a thousand paper cuts in a video. Those suppressed memories must have really been hitting me hard when I twisted what you were talking about, but at the same time, on a few of your sets, you had the perfect vantage point to be looking over someone's shoulder and seeing me in tears. My bad! But I'm glad about my mistake now. It got me talking about the pain I endured and inflicted from your vantage point looking over someone's shoulder from the bass player's position. I felt silenced before, and spies in that place that were trying to manipulate me were telling me to be silent. Just wondering, do you know of any IHOP support groups (live person groups around KC) for the multitudes that have been hurt by that place?
For whatever it's worth, I wasn't typically trying to look at people in the room when I played, the exception being when my friend told me that they were being mistreated and I could see the meeting happening in the side room. Generally was focused on playing. I do not know of any in-person support groups and I have not lived in Kansas City since 2019 to be up to speed on what's going on there Appreciation the clarification that you misunderstood because I really am not sure what you were referring to! Is your username your name? I am not sure if we ever met, which team of mine'e sets did you come to? You don't have to answer, just trying to place what era you're referring to
@@SieNoel Never met, just remember people...love music and had admiration for those that make the music. One reason wish I could go back...there was just something good about being in the prayer room, minus the manipulation, lies, spies, arrogance, Mike Bickle, and on and on. There are a few that would know my name. I will no longer be silenced!
Made the mistake of contacting Roys, because I felt she was talking about me in an article. Her friend Rebecca did the same thing that I dealt with when I was there...holding my words already written hostage. Telling me she would give my words to Julie after I tell her more, when I had already said plenty to give the information to Julie. I was hurt by that manipulation that went both ways, the worst memories had just come back right after my brother had passed away which catapulted me into those memories coming back when I started talking with my sister-in -law, and I felt violated once again!
Thank you for sharing, ladies! The most important thing about rectifying what we mised is going to those people we disbeleived and apologize to them. Invite others who we may have forgotten about who we hurt to come to us. Also, if youve said hurtful things at the beginning of this whole scandal, its important to acknowledge that. I am disgusted at some of the most up and coming advocates who have changed their tune pretty drastically since this started. They need to be specific and name the things theyve said, apologize and explain why they have changed their beliefs. Blaize Forret has a major amount of work to do on this. If hes going to blab endlessly, he needs to retrace endlessly. He has plenty of explaining to do. I find that Christian men over all find it hard to admit that they were wrong and apologize.
Ive been through 2 cults and find this to be so important. I think a big part of being able to do this is to be able to forgive ourselves.
You ladies are so precious. My heart hurts for the trauma you have individually experienced at the hands people who were supposed to be safe.😢
I could write a book about my experiences there. I'm glad I was able to clarify that you weren't talking about me...I wouldn't want to be and I am not that other guy! Light should be shined on all of this because the pain of past hurts remain when things are kept in the darkness!
That's so strange how I listened again and realized how I got it wrong. I mean hey...I have been wrong before. I wonder why I would feel like I was being talked about or why I would care...oh yeah, now I remember, and then I realized you were talking about IHOP, and remembered all those thousands of memories, both beautiful and hurtful. You mentioned a thousand paper cuts in a video. Those suppressed memories must have really been hitting me hard when I twisted what you were talking about, but at the same time, on a few of your sets, you had the perfect vantage point to be looking over someone's shoulder and seeing me in tears. My bad! But I'm glad about my mistake now. It got me talking about the pain I endured and inflicted from your vantage point looking over someone's shoulder from the bass player's position. I felt silenced before, and spies in that place that were trying to manipulate me were telling me to be silent. Just wondering, do you know of any IHOP support groups (live person groups around KC) for the multitudes that have been hurt by that place?
For whatever it's worth, I wasn't typically trying to look at people in the room when I played, the exception being when my friend told me that they were being mistreated and I could see the meeting happening in the side room. Generally was focused on playing. I do not know of any in-person support groups and I have not lived in Kansas City since 2019 to be up to speed on what's going on there
Appreciation the clarification that you misunderstood because I really am not sure what you were referring to!
Is your username your name? I am not sure if we ever met, which team of mine'e sets did you come to? You don't have to answer, just trying to place what era you're referring to
@@SieNoel Never met, just remember people...love music and had admiration for those that make the music. One reason wish I could go back...there was just something good about being in the prayer room, minus the manipulation, lies, spies, arrogance, Mike Bickle, and on and on. There are a few that would know my name. I will no longer be silenced!
Made the mistake of contacting Roys, because I felt she was talking about me in an article. Her friend Rebecca did the same thing that I dealt with when I was there...holding my words already written hostage. Telling me she would give my words to Julie after I tell her more, when I had already said plenty to give the information to Julie. I was hurt by that manipulation that went both ways, the worst memories had just come back right after my brother had passed away which catapulted me into those memories coming back when I started talking with my sister-in -law, and I felt violated once again!
Damn...the tears started falling again!