Lesbian vs Lesbian - Greece
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- March 2009
Sappho the Ancient Greek poet, muse and claimed by some as the worlds first feminist, became a gay icon for women. Soon her birthplace, Lesbos, was adopted as a name for gay women all over the world.
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"My name is Paul and i am a lesbian!"
I giggled.
"I'm a proud lesbian!"
I am Greek (not a Lesbian) and I can attest that when a Greek person says they are from Lesbos, immediately the jokes begin. We like to play with words and tease the Lesbians (people from Lesbos). That being said, the lgbtq community have not appropriated the term. I mean this confusion happened literally thousands of years ago and has nothing to do with the community itself. If I was Lesbian I would enjoy all the puns and the jokes you can make out of this situation. "My name is Paul and I'm a proud Lesbian!" or what the lady in the video said "I am a lesbian Lesbian!" Love it! If anything else, this is good publicity for the island and it helps people get to know Greek culture and, ultimately, where the word "lesbian" and "sapphic" came from.
I wonder if the citizens of Hamburg is considering bringing McDonalds to court?
Damn right! Or modern day Spartans taking to court those who consider themselves laconic 😂 it's outrageous.
Sapfo though is a reason to be proud as a Greek. Her poetry is so lyrical and beautiful and she had the ''guts'' in an ancient Greek society that most women were treated as men's objects who stayed home most of the time and got hardly any education to be the first feminist and found her own school teaching only girls
You can't change the term "lesbian" (meaning homossexual lady) on a global level... lots of other languages use the same "lesb" root.. (my language for example, "lésbica")
But if I was born in Lesbos, I would feel exactly the same as their citizens do.
They're a bit late on trying to fight this
1:24 my favorite part
😂
" HE NURTURES HIS LESBIAN VINES!" OH my god I love this video, peeing my pants! LOL The phrases are enough to make you cry with laughter, "I am paul and I am a proud lesbian" "He nurtures his lesbian vines" LOL this is too funny, as a Lesbian (gay of course) this is insanely funny! VIVA LESBIANS! LOL!
As a Greek (not Lesbian, or lesbian for that matter 😂😂) I love it!!! ❤️
There is no homophobia in the thinking of this man. He just against a group aproperating his national identity. He says directly that he is FOR gay rights
I am a lesbian and this made me laugh.. Be a little gentle to one another, don't stereotype.. Also, to avoid being stereotyped, be mindful to be specific of your identity, also don't impose your identity to others. Share but don't impose
Must have a great view from your house
As a lesbian I understand the people from Lesbos, but I have to say the word lesbian is not going anywhere, I mean you brought up this conversation very late, thousands of years late...
Sapho was no Mentally I'll, deranged Woman, she loved a Mam and Died because of Love for a Man.
Where are you from? I'm from Lesbos. Uhhh.. What?
the lesbian lady couldnt look more like the stereotype lesbian jesus
In Greece we call ppl from island of lesvos mitilinios (males) and mitilinia (for females) since mitilini is the capital of the island. So there is no confusion of gay women with the inhabitants of lesvos.
I can understand why many of the inhabitants of Lesbos are unhappy with the association - the same way perhaps real feminists are.
So many women will have nothing to do with feminism - most of us have a sexual bent of one kind or another - but we dont advertise.
oh man this sure did make my day XD
eressos is a wonderful place! i m not a lesbian but i stayed there for a year and its so cool that from young children to old people are adjusted and really friendly to these women! and such a wonderful place for vacations! this video drought nice memories to my mind...
What I mean is that the people of Crete have a similar problem. The word cretin ( Oxford dictionary) has present meaning as a person afflicted with cretinism or a marked mental deficiency, & is also used in many European Languages as a pejorative, an insult meaning the same as a stupid person, idiot, JERK. I don't think it's fair that this word has has evolved to this meaning, there's a difference in spelling Cretan & Cretin so there's a distinction, but both are pronounced the same.
Well, it is confusing.
"Lesbians", whether male or female, refers to the residents or natives of Lesvos.
Not all Female Lesbians who are Lesvos residents act masculine.
“Although her sexuality is still unclear” bruh she was a lesbian who married a man because it is expected of them lmao you didn’t even have to be in love to marry
@Ilkamy Lesvos is a great island.But most gays-lesbians are found in Mykonos :D ;)
I very much agree with the scholar, in the history, they said that the homosexual women took the name lesbian to represent themselves, it had no connotation to that meaning before they assumed it as such. The term lesbian only meant one who is from Lesbos. Also, I agree with the man who said that women should just be called homosexual, as are men, which suggests this problem might have leanings to women's need to show their independence of men.
"My name is Paul, and I'm a proud Lesbian!"
OK, what about people from Andalusia - they are Vandals - expect a court case against the use of that word. Ultimately we're talking about people taking offence at a word. No real confusion can occur.
No they aren’t. Andalusians are Iberians. The vandals were a Germanic people.
I agree with you my friend. The word "cretin" is not derived form the word "cretan" which means the man from the island Crete. It 's a total different story. But the homosexual woman is called "lesbian", because Sappho is concidered to be the first homosexual woman in history and she was a Lesbian, which means she was from the island Lesbos. It's a different thing, please apologise to the Cretans
I think he should be called a "Lesbosian".
It is offensive for him to call himself a "Lesbian" when he isn't a woman who loves women.
I agree, it sounds funny to me, a gay female lol
This was such an eyeopener!
@AlphaPegasii Not all the Greeks there, are taxi-drivers (same happens with Australians) and those who are they are clever enough to know that they earn more money this way than to teach to a school there for example.
jeepers humans will argue over anything
This is very, very, very language-specific... Yes, in English person from Lesbos and homosexual woman are both Lesbians, but in my language they are different: lesboslainen and lesbo. I guess many viewers here can say the same about their languages also. So this argument doesn't make so much sense to me, since not EVERYONE in the world will confuse these things!
@kryckeestrooff I know, I am a lesbian and I dress like a woman and wear make up like a woman because I am a woman, and attracted to women. I don't understand why other lesbians go out with chicks that look like men! Just date a guy then!
Is the reporter an australian of greek origin?
Being lesbian was a normal thing in Ancient Greece, Greeks didn’t become such in one night.
this is funney as hell
Why thank you sir! Happy easter to you too! I see you're from Hong Kong...very beautiful city!!
@MrBaebel People Of Lesbos never had anything against homosexual women.We just feel the need to make clear to EVERYONE that we are called Lesbians because we live on this island called Lesbos and thus misunderstanding has to stop.Some people are offended by being called lesbians aka homosexuals that's why the majority of Lesbian people fight for our rights and try to make them called themselves homosexuals.Some others,Just don't care.This doesn't mean we hate them or that they're not welcomed
why is everything marked as Spam?
What court has the power to ban culture and language? LOL
Those earley Greek Christians slaughtered thousands of their own people who still claimed the old religion and traditions, burned temples,destroyed statues and other pieces of art and closed all the philosophical schools.
Sorry can I use this video on my channel to include greek subtitles and promote it in Lesvos??
I wonder how the maniacs will all feel when they realize Sappho was known to be married (to a man!) and less than 700 lines of her poetry still exist, with only one poem in its entirety. And none of them go beyond slight innuendo.
Oh. And she committed suicide because she was turned down by a man. Often ignored detail there, I would imagine.
Ancient Greece wasn't gay. Homosexuality was seen as perverse and animalistic and was practiced in its majority by a perverse sub-sect of the elite on teenaged minors.
I totaly agree... it's a misnomer. It's as if the Germans, or the French, decided to call themselves exclusively Europeans... But for now, you can call yourselves North Americans, as the southern people call themselves South American, or Latin American, etc.
I agree with the old dude. Need for identity doesn´t give you right to steal it from someone else.
I love Lesbian vs. Lesbian action! LOL
thats where the name comes from oh wow
What a load of crap, first we had the feta claim, making all other cheeses which follow the same process not to be called by this name, now we go as far as this! Lesbians are known as that name, end bloody of. I am just a little surprised by feminism and lesbianism seem to be bound so much, as seen in this video. Surely they are completely different subjects?!
So Aryans from Western Indian and Iran should sue the paperhanger fan club from calling themselves "Aryans"?
This law suit it just plain stupid.
.. i qoute myself.
"just as calling a homosexual male a "queer" is wrong, calling a homosexual female a lesbian, is quite wrong IMO."
IMO
In My Opinion.
It offends all the greek to call lesbians the homosexual women. For example, how would an english guy feel if the intrenational word for a homosexual man was "English"?
its too late for that! The word lesbian is already in popular culture. Just like how the Native Americans were called Indians (from India) because the Europeans were confused. It's wrong but the word "Indian" is in popular culture.
yeah she is said to be a lesbian and she also found a horrible death against some christians at the iconoclasm
Don't steal my business idea! Hahaha! I am being real serious! It would be a hit around the world, the locals would actually see the positive side, bringing business to a rather quiet island!
I wouldn't want someone to use my country to name a whoe sexual orientation! Homosexual women should try to find another name, and not insult a whole society with a great history!
we shouldn't judge women from Lebanon so quickly.
I'm lesbian and I've never left the North American continent. Furthermore, I'm male.
Girls who like Girls can call themselves Pennsylvanians from now on.. I'd be proud to call myself a Pennsylvanian. I can understand there might be some "embarrassment" or "shame" for this in some cultures but give me a break.
@MrThanasis55
That depends on whether you are looking for the king of mykonos?
Im a Lesbian..but also a Malenist...does that make me Evil?
your sick minds ,,,arrostio myalo
By the way I've been to your Island and it's absolutely beautiful and so are it's people. ;-)
No, really? Did you even bother to watch the video? Did you pay attention? Apparently not. Your comment proves my point.
BTW the narrator uses the word lesbian wayy too much...but i guess its to get the point across.
Okay fine... now what name can people suggest for women who is attracted to same gender?
Here in USA they have different names.
lol Thats impossible its like saying the word Gay will from now on only mean Happy as opposed to homosexual...
Even if something like that gets approved - people will stay say lesbian when referring to homosexual women
@Ilkamy then these homosexual females should be identified as Sappho's or Sapphists, not Lebians anymore or just female lesbians.
Even though i found your opinions close to sounding stupid also, i still will give your statement a good listen/reading and will give it the same serious tone as you had given.
He is generating publicity, you know. A lawsuit is cheaper than marketing research and planning.
What kind of man doesn't like some girl on girl?
@eg306 μήπως αυτός ακριβώς είναι ο λόγος; Όλοι το παρεξηγούν.
@Mrwhiteghost79 man i am really soory to bother you but the word greek is coming from the word ¨"γρεκος"and back then in the 1821 it was use by a heroe of re volution telling "Εγω γρεκος γεννηθηκα ,γρεκος θε να πεθανω" that means " I was born greek and i want to die greek"
@Lakonas78 Sappho was not even a "homosexual", She committed suicide after being rejected by a male lover, At the most she may have been bisexual but even that is unprovable.
@Gerechtable
Would you prefer to be called a boy lover?
I imagine the ancient Israelites would have taken great offense to that.
I feel bad for the people of Lisbo, it is too bad this has happend and I can see where they are comming from. Unfortunatly it is too late to do much about it, Lisbian for a female homosexual has caught on and is part of at least the English Language if not more (ie Greek). There isn't much to be done about it, even if they were to win in court, people will go on using Lisbian to mean a gay female.
Way to spell her name wrong, although you can claim it's a transliteration. BTW, the whole "committed suicide" is a myth itself that was created centuries later.
@AlphaPegasii I can see that you aren't clever enough , you didn't even tried to read what I wrote..I wrote "they want to make us (the Greeks) to migrate to other countries.And you have to know that every people on earth has the right to argue against everything and to have an opinion on everything.You call it stupid, I call it freedom.The field of medicine-even in Australia-has many Greeks.And I guess you know that the vocabulary in this field worldwide is also Greek.
I love lesbians
The Greek deities are now very offended.
Yeah,but you could say the same thing about the word"gay",which org didnt have anything with sexuality.
The past is history and it should be represented,but it wont dictate the future.Like Spartan in your eg,peeps would use that maybe because they loved the film300and thats the meaning they portray when using it. Its historical past dosent necessarily count in that case.
Of course,if a Lesbian(female)lives in Lesbo I could consider it common politeness to change the name of the residential org
@pinpoint45 and i never said that either.i was referring to the feminists in my comment and if there are homosexual women who are not feminists then i would not be referring to them!
wow this is so cool. even the men are lesbians! lol
but jokes aside, i can c why the man feels offended though he is homophobic, he is an old man and he has his prejedice.
lol @ the Lesbian lesbian....anyway, I hate to break it to this guy, but they probably should've gotten on this before EVERYONE around the world started referring to female homosexuals as lesbians... I can certainly understand the confusion, but if they have international tourists, well, I guess they'll just have to deal w/ it...besides, every time someone calls someone else out as a lesbian, they get free publicity.
LOL!Ok, this documentary is very funny.
Religion does not, it is a long going Tradition where mankind links himself between the temporal physical with the eternal spiritual realm through worship and prayer and breaking bread with the community.
i only watched this so i could hear the word lesbian over and over again
@ina25 i m not ..i have friends from Albania but they have nothing common with her..sorry if insulted u..
@Ilkamy nope its not as simple as being open minded or narrow minded.
its about those who are affected by it negatively.
Should i accept pedophellia? should i accept anti-semitism or anti-everything?
the nazi symbol was originally an eastern symbol but some people still say its still the nazi symbol.
so it does matter.
No, Nationalism is based on intuition through knowing how diverse the people of this world are and how they wish to have their own sovereignty. Men and women are not equal, it is so funny that egalitarians go on and on about equality but realise that it does not exist because there are differences in life such as gender. Men and women have different capabilities, accept that!
at 4:19, i'm glad she is not a lesbian, i'm a guy and i like her looks and opinions.
Call me homophobic because i know lesbians in the end mean, anti-man.
Let them live, it is their life
i doubt it was used as long as that island has used it.
that's why you are coming to Hellas to enjoy whatever you cant in your country...
Go to school first because you skipped to many lessons....
Ειμαι Λέσβια, χωρις να ειμαι Λεσβία και αυτο δε με κανει λιγοτερο Λέσβια ή να αγαπω λιγοτερο τον τοπο μου. Αυτες οι γελοιοτητες δεν εχουν χωρο στο νησι μου. Ελεος.. Ας του βρει καποιος μια δουλεια αυτου του Λαμπρου να ηρεμισει λιγακι.
Ερεσσαρα μου :)
lmao, this is utterly hilarious.
All the scripts are Holy they express man's devotion to God and the way God has made this world in His image and Orthodoxy is part of Greek culture whether you like it or not whereas I prefer Anglicanism because Orthodox services tire me.
Damn those miners, can't help but getting offended!
@patsoglou ti na peis se kapion pou exeito onoma "patsoglou" ta logia einai perita.
I am not saying that I am super good, I am just saying that St Paul brought moral order to Greece and Rome
@pinpoint45 i would also like to comment on your comment. the majority will always dictate what is normal. if in a bird species 99 out of 100 birds are blue then blue is what considered normal. It doesn't matter if every new generation there is one that is "not normal" it's what the majority has established as standard. Majoritie wins. Plain and simple.
Of all the things to argue about this is certainly not one of them.
wow, I don't know what to say. I didn't know this place really exisisted. What is the population of this Island that is native? & don't they have immigration laws? Wow, I guess I just don't know what to say?
"Lesbian meatmarket" hahah. Have nothing against gay's, but on some level feel sorry for the people of Lesbos, lol!
Imagine "Lesbos United" - football team...