Brilliant Dave! Thank you that was so helpful. I'm single dad at home with a ten year old in Lockdown. Can't get out for a ride because I don't have any child care and desperate to keep training. Off to look for sensors on eBay. Cheers!
Great video. I've been toying with the idea of getting some type of indoor setup. Nice to know there is a low budget option. Loved the bloopers!! Thanks!!!
I have those rollers and just a speed sensor for zwift and it still works, you don’t need a cadence sensor so if you want to cut cost down a little more then just buy speed sensor. Great vid
You kinda need to know your cadence for the training plans on Zwift. I did the 6wk FTP builder and the intervals are very specific for power AND cadence. Tells you to spin faster if you lose focus and drop below the required RPM. I bought my wahoo cadence sensor for about £30 when I only had a dumb trainer but since upgrading to a smart trainer I obvs don't use it so probs easy to pick one up used on eBay from others like myself.
@@eleanorbox1954 very true but I only meant this reply as an extreme budget version. I’m not a serious zwift user, I just use it as a slightly more interesting thing than just spinning the legs.
Dave, great video. As usual. Please ignore any TH-cam comments that are negative. Primarily these people are idiots. You know bikes, more than most. Tell it as you see it, your opinion on bikes does good in a sometimes cruel world. Don’t read or care about comments from us idiots!
I did Zwift on rollers for the first couple of months until I got the Zwift hub. First time I tried it, I steered round the bend on the screen….did not end well! That horrible moment you know you are going to crash as the wheels left the side of the rollers, then I ended up upside down under the bike on the kitchen floor, having taken my (self made) stand for the laptop and the laptop down with me. Luckily no damage to equipment or self! Always seemed to be at least one heart-stopping moment per session but agree that it feels more like real bike riding. Rollers can be harder work because you cannot coast - you stop peddling, you stop (and fall over unless you put you feet down or reach for the wall!) Am enjoying the Zwift hub, much easier but can’t seem to stop myself pushing way harder than intended!
Dave. Great video! You must have read my mind. This is exactly what I was planning on doing. I’ve just bought a set of rollers and am waiting for the speed and cadence sensors to be delivered so I can set my daughter and I up on Zwift. As you mentioned, a video on using rollers would be very helpful as we are new to this but don’t have contact with anyone who can give us advice on how best to use them. Cheers!
Lol 😂, “welcome to another something but I just can’t think of what to say”.........classic Dave. Thanks for another TH-cam giggle Mr N, keep them coming and of course you can have 2 pain caves 👍
Enjoyed the blooper reel, love the paincave and the options to decorate it. I have some envy, could be decorated to function as a studio space too. I would fix up mounting points for a hammock as a thinking area and a pulley system so I could dry camping kit out of the way for the inevitable time in the future when we can get out to do things like camping again and it will be raining anyway
Thanks. I like the hammock idea! The plan is to have it as a gym/pain cave/kids climbing wall. I have a room I’m setting up as a studio to film in and possibly a pain cave v2...it’s ok to have 2 pain caves in one house right? 😂
Really does help with planning my @ home training. I didn't think rollers work nearly as well as smart trainer, but this helps a lot. Not wanting to fork out $1k+ Thanks Dave
I've never used a "smart trainer" nor Zwift etc. but since switching from 'dum'b' turbo trainer to Kreitler rollers (with the smallest drums) I've never got back on a turbo. Not sure why you need a speed sensor (who cares about speed?) while knowing your cadence and feeling your effort is all i think matters for indoor training. What make are those cadence sensors? Also, no clue what watts you need to hold riding Kreitler small drums in a 53/11, I can't hold it for long. Apart from top-end sprinting I'd go for rollers over a turbo everytime. Turbo training is weight training for your legs - not cycling.
This was my set up when I started on Zwift, even now I do all my indoor training on rollers. Agree that it’s not great for hard efforts, although my hard efforts are probably a lot lower wattage, but I’ve found I can still get some sprints etc. in. It’s actually simulating climbs that’s the hardest, and they’re rubbish for racing.
I agree 100%, I really enjoy rollers but don’t think I could use them all the time. I want to get back into Zwift racing so I think a new smart trainer is in order.
@@DaveNoakes Should have said, I have rollers with resistance levels, which makes hitting 5-7 w/kg for my threshold/VO2Max stuff easier (I'm 67kg so we're talking less than 500w). The lack of resistance feedback makes racing terrible, it's a constant fight to catch back on as you hammer through the gears to match the gradient and getting out the saddle to sprint/climb compared to doing it on a turbo is really limiting. I reckon they might be good for a TT though.
Just wanted to add that you may need a usb ant+ dongle and would be better to have a 2metre usb extension cable to go from computer to under back wheel to get best connection with hopefully no dropouts
i was just about the ask what the advantages of rollers were vs a dumb trainer but you pretty much covered it so thanks for going into that as a second hand dumb trainer is around the same as some rollers.. i guess an advantage of rollers could also be less noise in the house/garage. Great that you setup next to a wall to to aid in getting going and getting off. thanks for another great vid
So what happens if you attach the speed sensor to the skateboard? For those that can swing the up front cost, the Elite Suito is still the best deal going for smart trainers. I have over a year on mine now with no hardware issues and saving monthly gym fees has already paid for it. It comes with an 11 speed cassette installed and a front wheel block, so good to go right out of the box. Either way, your bike cave looks fairly Zombie proof which is probably best while we try to get through another year of everything trying to kill us.
Hiya, sorry for the late reply. Do you mean the cadence sensor? I’m using 2 sensors 1. On the either pedal to measure cadence (Cadence Sensor) 2. One on the hub to measure speed (Speed Sensor) I don’t think you could put a speed sensor on a gym bike as there’s no actual front wheel.
I tried exactly this using the same rollers but Garmin speed and cadence sensors, on my wifes singlespeed. All connected OK but just wouldn't go above a few kph in Zwift on the flat, even though I was at 90 rpm which equates to ~30kph in the real world. On steep hills I was getting overtaken by joggers, and sometimes the avatar even got off and stood still! I gave up in the end and just have the telly on now.
Great video! Please forgive me if this is an ignorant questions (I’ve never used Zwift): 1. Are you limited in the courses you can ride in Zwift with this set up? 2. If there are hills on the course on Zwift, do you need to pedal faster to maintain your pace on Zwift to generate the higher power output (I think you covered this in the video a bit, just want to check I understood)? Cheers! Keep up the great content!
Thanks. 1. You can ride the same courses as with a smart trainer. 2. Whether you are going up hill or on flat the pedalling power is the same. You’ll go slower up hills you just don’t get that resistance a smart trainer gives.
I've spent up on a trainer only because I wanted cadence and power onboard and tbh still cheaper than on bike power Metres. In saying that I'd just go more basic like rollers or cheap static trainer if I had cadence and power on my bike.
Can I use an iPad in place of iPhone? I am waiting on a cadence sensor now to see if I can get my Kinetic machine on zwift. Or can I Bluetooth from Cadence and speed sensor to zwift? Thanks
Hi, I bought some tacx rollers and some magene speed sensors.. Just tried zwift and I can only do about 17kmh flat out 😂 everyone flying past.. Wondered if I could be cheeky and ask if anyone has any ideas? Read somewhere you need a power meter 😬 cheers
@@DaveNoakes what's in your fridge? I tell you what, you flick me your addy on FB messenger and I'll work out a way to post you a six pack of Adelaide's finest. In the meantime, surprise me with something from your breweries
Zwift ain't for me mate, never will be! But cycling can be a bloody expensive hobby, even it seems if you don't actually "go outside" on your bike. Fair play for creating a cheaper and more easier accessible DIY version, these are tough times!
Dude...I have old Garmin speed sensor and cadence sensor. Will these work? I am a bit technically challenged.....ok, I am older.. Help? Thanks and be safe mate!!
If they're Bluetooth you can use them directly. If they're ANT+ (most likely for older devices) you can use them with an ANT+ USB stick with a laptop (around $20/£20 from amazon), but for iOS, Apple TV and most Android phones you'll need something like the NPE CABLE device, which is about the same cost as buying new dual Bluetooth+ANT+ speed/cadence sensors.
The blooper real was brilliant 😂😂
Brilliant Dave! Thank you that was so helpful. I'm single dad at home with a ten year old in Lockdown. Can't get out for a ride because I don't have any child care and desperate to keep training. Off to look for sensors on eBay. Cheers!
That last montage had us both in stitches. 🙏🏼
Relax Dave, you're nailing it.
Brilliant, hilarious, breath of fresh air. Nice sound fx.
Great video. I've been toying with the idea of getting some type of indoor setup. Nice to know there is a low budget option. Loved the bloopers!! Thanks!!!
Well that all worked out rather well, loved the bit at the end, confused and befuddled Dave🤣🤣
I have those rollers and just a speed sensor for zwift and it still works, you don’t need a cadence sensor so if you want to cut cost down a little more then just buy speed sensor.
Great vid
You kinda need to know your cadence for the training plans on Zwift. I did the 6wk FTP builder and the intervals are very specific for power AND cadence. Tells you to spin faster if you lose focus and drop below the required RPM. I bought my wahoo cadence sensor for about £30 when I only had a dumb trainer but since upgrading to a smart trainer I obvs don't use it so probs easy to pick one up used on eBay from others like myself.
@@eleanorbox1954 very true but I only meant this reply as an extreme budget version. I’m not a serious zwift user, I just use it as a slightly more interesting thing than just spinning the legs.
Dave, great video. As usual. Please ignore any TH-cam comments that are negative. Primarily these people are idiots. You know bikes, more than most. Tell it as you see it, your opinion on bikes does good in a sometimes cruel world. Don’t read or care about comments from us idiots!
nice one dave - 100% succesful :) keep smiling mate!
I did Zwift on rollers for the first couple of months until I got the Zwift hub. First time I tried it, I steered round the bend on the screen….did not end well! That horrible moment you know you are going to crash as the wheels left the side of the rollers, then I ended up upside down under the bike on the kitchen floor, having taken my (self made) stand for the laptop and the laptop down with me. Luckily no damage to equipment or self!
Always seemed to be at least one heart-stopping moment per session but agree that it feels more like real bike riding.
Rollers can be harder work because you cannot coast - you stop peddling, you stop (and fall over unless you put you feet down or reach for the wall!)
Am enjoying the Zwift hub, much easier but can’t seem to stop myself pushing way harder than intended!
Dave. Great video! You must have read my mind. This is exactly what I was planning on doing. I’ve just bought a set of rollers and am waiting for the speed and cadence sensors to be delivered so I can set my daughter and I up on Zwift. As you mentioned, a video on using rollers would be very helpful as we are new to this but don’t have contact with anyone who can give us advice on how best to use them. Cheers!
Lol 😂, “welcome to another something but I just can’t think of what to say”.........classic Dave. Thanks for another TH-cam giggle Mr N, keep them coming and of course you can have 2 pain caves 👍
That was really interesting, never thought to use my rollers. Will give it a go. The outtakes were a good chuckle 😁
Enjoyed the blooper reel, love the paincave and the options to decorate it. I have some envy, could be decorated to function as a studio space too. I would fix up mounting points for a hammock as a thinking area and a pulley system so I could dry camping kit out of the way for the inevitable time in the future when we can get out to do things like camping again and it will be raining anyway
Thanks. I like the hammock idea! The plan is to have it as a gym/pain cave/kids climbing wall. I have a room I’m setting up as a studio to film in and possibly a pain cave v2...it’s ok to have 2 pain caves in one house right? 😂
Dave! This is awesome! I’ve been wanting to do zwift but the cost has always put me off. I will be trying this!
Your doing great Dave it shows your real,With the mistakes I’m not the only one that forgot what I was talking about 🤪
Thank you Brian.
Really does help with planning my @ home training. I didn't think rollers work nearly as well as smart trainer, but this helps a lot. Not wanting to fork out $1k+ Thanks Dave
Also... appreciate the blooper reel :P
Really enjoying your content at the moment! Keep it up 👍🏻
This was the video I was looking for, brilliant!
Thank you
Bloopers rule! Keep up the good work buddy.
Cheers Phil.
Really the end, thank you for watching... :P
I've never used a "smart trainer" nor Zwift etc. but since switching from 'dum'b' turbo trainer to Kreitler rollers (with the smallest drums) I've never got back on a turbo. Not sure why you need a speed sensor (who cares about speed?) while knowing your cadence and feeling your effort is all i think matters for indoor training. What make are those cadence sensors? Also, no clue what watts you need to hold riding Kreitler small drums in a 53/11, I can't hold it for long. Apart from top-end sprinting I'd go for rollers over a turbo everytime. Turbo training is weight training for your legs - not cycling.
This was my set up when I started on Zwift, even now I do all my indoor training on rollers. Agree that it’s not great for hard efforts, although my hard efforts are probably a lot lower wattage, but I’ve found I can still get some sprints etc. in. It’s actually simulating climbs that’s the hardest, and they’re rubbish for racing.
I agree 100%, I really enjoy rollers but don’t think I could use them all the time. I want to get back into Zwift racing so I think a new smart trainer is in order.
@@DaveNoakes Should have said, I have rollers with resistance levels, which makes hitting 5-7 w/kg for my threshold/VO2Max stuff easier (I'm 67kg so we're talking less than 500w). The lack of resistance feedback makes racing terrible, it's a constant fight to catch back on as you hammer through the gears to match the gradient and getting out the saddle to sprint/climb compared to doing it on a turbo is really limiting. I reckon they might be good for a TT though.
Just wanted to add that you may need a usb ant+ dongle and would be better to have a 2metre usb extension cable to go from computer to under back wheel to get best connection with hopefully no dropouts
good tip, I find as long as I am close there are no drop outs.
i was just about the ask what the advantages of rollers were vs a dumb trainer but you pretty much covered it so thanks for going into that as a second hand dumb trainer is around the same as some rollers.. i guess an advantage of rollers could also be less noise in the house/garage. Great that you setup next to a wall to to aid in getting going and getting off. thanks for another great vid
Awesome vid Dave.
Interesting! Do you think a roller would work with MTB tyres?
I think so...I suppose I should try?! My guess it’ll be really noisy and bumpy
Could almost hear those 4-letter words at the end there Dave. LOL
No intro subs rap thing today :) So I've subbed. Good informative video, thanks! Looking forward to seeing your cycling shed come together
Thank you 🙏🏼
Well presented and informative - nice job
Cheers
So what happens if you attach the speed sensor to the skateboard? For those that can swing the up front cost, the Elite Suito is still the best deal going for smart trainers. I have over a year on mine now with no hardware issues and saving monthly gym fees has already paid for it. It comes with an 11 speed cassette installed and a front wheel block, so good to go right out of the box. Either way, your bike cave looks fairly Zombie proof which is probably best while we try to get through another year of everything trying to kill us.
I would be interested in roller sessions. I've recently got rollers but so far my workout on them has just been "spend X minutes riding rollers" :)
Great video Dave, do you think the cheap magnetic trainers are worth bothering with?
Are we going to see some skateboarding in the future?
I suck at skating these days. Maybe though
Hello!
Can we put the speed sensor on the other pedal because the spinning bikes in gyms are not like regular bike.
Hiya, sorry for the late reply. Do you mean the cadence sensor?
I’m using 2 sensors
1. On the either pedal to measure cadence (Cadence Sensor)
2. One on the hub to measure speed (Speed Sensor)
I don’t think you could put a speed sensor on a gym bike as there’s no actual front wheel.
Where is best to buy roller for bike training
The Tacx
Pink bike Dave, You must be fast !!!!! :)
I tried exactly this using the same rollers but Garmin speed and cadence sensors, on my wifes singlespeed. All connected OK but just wouldn't go above a few kph in Zwift on the flat, even though I was at 90 rpm which equates to ~30kph in the real world. On steep hills I was getting overtaken by joggers, and sometimes the avatar even got off and stood still! I gave up in the end and just have the telly on now.
Hmmm that’s strange! If it’s reading the sensor it should get the speed right. Have you adjusted the wheel size?
@@DaveNoakes No, it's set (correctly) to 700c, and the profile I've chosen is unlisted rollers. I'm sure I'm missing something simple but nevermind!
Great video! Please forgive me if this is an ignorant questions (I’ve never used Zwift): 1. Are you limited in the courses you can ride in Zwift with this set up? 2. If there are hills on the course on Zwift, do you need to pedal faster to maintain your pace on Zwift to generate the higher power output (I think you covered this in the video a bit, just want to check I understood)? Cheers! Keep up the great content!
Thanks.
1. You can ride the same courses as with a smart trainer.
2. Whether you are going up hill or on flat the pedalling power is the same. You’ll go slower up hills you just don’t get that resistance a smart trainer gives.
Hoooly shit.That's a single speed bike.Maaaan you just answered my question. Hahah...Thank you.
you can get pedals to
You sure can
Nice video Dave.
I have the Bryton 750, if your not using the cadance and speed sensor could I buy them from you ?
Unfortunately they have been stolen by my daughter for her bike.
@@DaveNoakes good to know they are being put to good use Dave.
I've spent up on a trainer only because I wanted cadence and power onboard and tbh still cheaper than on bike power Metres. In saying that I'd just go more basic like rollers or cheap static trainer if I had cadence and power on my bike.
Can I use an iPad in place of iPhone? I am waiting on a cadence sensor now to see if I can get my Kinetic machine on zwift. Or can I Bluetooth from Cadence and speed sensor to zwift? Thanks
You can definitely use an iPad instead of a phone.
@@DaveNoakes Thanks for getting back to me, I really appreciate you making videos.
Hi, I bought some tacx rollers and some magene speed sensors.. Just tried zwift and I can only do about 17kmh flat out 😂 everyone flying past.. Wondered if I could be cheeky and ask if anyone has any ideas? Read somewhere you need a power meter 😬 cheers
Fair Play Dave 👍
Did wonder where was your fan especially wearing them clothes 😂 people you will sweat 😓 🤪🤪🤪
Good though on Zwift 👍👍
😂😂😂it would be a sweat fest in that get up. I do have a fun.
FriYay beer review?
what should I review this Friday?
@@DaveNoakes what's in your fridge? I tell you what, you flick me your addy on FB messenger and I'll work out a way to post you a six pack of Adelaide's finest. In the meantime, surprise me with something from your breweries
@@DaveNoakes I've reached out to you on the gram
Zwift ain't for me mate, never will be! But cycling can be a bloody expensive hobby, even it seems if you don't actually "go outside" on your bike. Fair play for creating a cheaper and more easier accessible DIY version, these are tough times!
Dont people cheat with ebikes ?? Very illuminating though ..
I’m not sure, I know there’s a lot of ways to cheat Zwift...but I don’t get why people would.
Dude...I have old Garmin speed sensor and cadence sensor. Will these work? I am a bit technically challenged.....ok, I am older.. Help? Thanks and be safe mate!!
Yep they should work fine b
@@jonahcarter9610 all good mate. Thank you.
If they're Bluetooth you can use them directly. If they're ANT+ (most likely for older devices) you can use them with an ANT+ USB stick with a laptop (around $20/£20 from amazon), but for iOS, Apple TV and most Android phones you'll need something like the NPE CABLE device, which is about the same cost as buying new dual Bluetooth+ANT+ speed/cadence sensors.
@@tomcosgrove7240 Thank you !!
lol... zwifting on rollers... I have enough issues just riding rollers...
HA! HA!