Talisker is like that one family member who has recently joined a cult. I love them dearly and we still have a good time now and again on the rare occasions when they show their true personality. But then they start talking about how the leader-guy tells them that raising prices and watering yourself down is the path to higher consciousness and I start to tune them out again.
Oban at No. 1! That’s why I enjoy your channel! If I can only have one single malt for the rest of my life, it’d be the Oban 14. It was my gateway into single malt, and after having tasted so many other single malts, the Oban 14 remains one of my favorites. As for Diageo, I don’t know single malt enough to notice who ultimately owns which distillery. Maybe that’s a good thing; I just simply judge a bottle by how much I enjoy it.
I love the Caol ila. IBs in particular. But also the 15 and 18 that are non-peated - love them and just picked up 2 more at auction (really, I couldn’t resist - they are delicious). Lagavulin is great, just expensive. Love the 16 but also the 8 which some days I prefer to the 16. Price just keeps going up in Canada, not down. Some taliskers are great. Picked up a talisker IB single cask a few years back on the Royal Mile: it was cheap and is truly stunning. Oban. Hmmm. Yeah it’s good but I wouldn’t put in no 1 - maybe I haven’t tasted enough of them! I’ll try a few others. Tx Geoff.
I love Glen Elgin! I was with a group that visited the distillery a few years ago during the Speyside Whisky Festival and we had the 19yr old Centenary as our dram! Wow!
Hi Mr. Geoff, you leave me speechless.... Great list. And like Diageo or not , but without them (or there pre decessors) the whisky world would be quite different then it is now. So credit to them for that. And of course I will not argue your choice for the number one spot of the list, but that is our secret. 🤫 Looking forward to that review for which your are teasing us longer and longer. Hope you have a great weekend!!
Ah, I made a similar point before I went to read the other comments. People can rail against "corporate greed" all they want, but without it we'd probably all drink cheap industrial vodka, in excessive amounts :)
Thank you so much Geoff for some light entertainment to lower my stress levels. We just had a ballistic missile from Lebanon fired at us last night and spent an hour in the safe room. I love the topic. Great idea, funny and entertaining. Here's my take: 7. Glen Elgin 12. This is a product which hasn't really changed in decades. Same whisky with the same 1990s Diageo Classics style label. A bland vatting of Refill Ex-Bourbon with Refill Ex-Sherry. Bottled at 43% abv, heavily chill filtered and coloured. The only interest is if you can find an old bottle from 20 plus years ago to compare it to today. The only IB I've had came from Signatory and was a bit bland. 6. Benrinnes 15: only hints at the superb whisky this distillery can make. What a fantastic signature flavour this distillery makes. I cannot understand for the life of me why Diageo does not promote this more. Perhaps it's because they rely on the spirit to boost the flavours in their increasingly bland Scotch Blends. However, Ex-Bourbon Independent Bottlings of Benrinnes are some of the best whisky I've ever tasted. 6. Clynelish 14: This used to be a must have classic single malt but unfortunately, Diageo have neglected the quality of the casks over the years and messed about with the distillation techniques at Clynelish, in the name of modernisation and efficiency. When I was last there, the guys at Clynelish did not stop complaining about excessive corporate interference and not letting them produce the whisky they wanted. Diageo have ended up destroying the signature waxiness that everyone loved about Clynelish. The other bottlings are criminally expensive for what you get. I'm waiting to see what Diageo is doing with Brora. 5. Mortlach. Because they are heavily sherried, I've never bought Mortlach for religious reasons (non-kosher wine flavour). I have had two Ex-Bourbon matured Signatory bottlings of Mortlach but they were a bit too young and under developed. I'd love to try Mortlach at 15 Years or more. 4. Caol Ila. Here's where I completely disagree with you. Despite the 12 Year Old only being bottled at 43% abv and chill-filtered and coloured, it is, in my opinion, the finest Islay Single Malt out of any of the Islay distillery's core ranges. Since the 2000s it's quality has remained high and consistent. Unfortunately, the Caol Ila 18, which I consider one of the most tastiest Islay single malts bar none, was discontinued some time ago and bottles are becoming difficult to find. I do not recommend the Caol Ila 25. I've had a few batches and all are bland and certainly not worth the high prices. I disagree with you also regarding the unpeated stuff. I think they were awful. To me, they tasted like under-matured Single Grain whisky. Vanilla pods, dry custard powder, harsh spirit. IMO, their unpeated range was complete hype. Honestly! Did you really think they were amazing whiskies or were you just following the trend? 3. Talisker: Since Diageo messed about with the recipe and cask selection, It's become bland, boring and frankly bad whisky. Don't waist your money. 2. Lagavulin: The 16-Year-Old used to be their reasonably priced core-range. It's now far too expensive in my market. I always used to buy the annual 12-Year-Old editions but after the 50% sudden price hike, I haven't bought a bottle since 2019. I haven't been impressed with their multiple editions matured in re-seasoned rejuvenated casks. The 8 Year-Old however is a must have though. I love it! A fraction of the cost of the 12 yet gives you 80% of what the 12 has to offer. It's bottled at 48% abv, probably non-chill-filtered and natural colour and I applaud Diageo for having the guts to put an 8 Year Old age statement on it. 1. Oban. Your favourite Diageo brand? I love your sense humour Geoff. I have pretty much ignored Oban whisky for years. A couple of years ago I was passing through Oban (which I do quite often), and stopped off to visit the distillery and wanted to buy a bottle of their distillery cask sitting in the visitors' centre. It was marked at a very reasonable price as well. They said that they couldn't sell me anything as the bottles and labels hadn't arrived yet from Diageo. They'd been waiting for two weeks already. I wasn't impressed. However, walking directly across the road to a whisky specialist shop, they had a few bottles. Price was ridiculous though. I gave it a miss.
Certainly agree with your take on Laga, Reb. The 8 for me is such a beautiful, affordable, and characterful dram. Also, I won't disagree with Talisker becoming bland. Caol Ila... yes it's beautiful stuff. I'm less enthusiastic about the 12, although it's solid. The 18 was overlooked for far too long. Stunning whisky. However unlike you I really enjoyed the unpeated stuff. Really interesting to see a brighter and cleaner side to the distillate. I'll agree they had a certain sharpness, but I liked that. They weren't grainy to my palate. Diageo debates... always a fun rabbit hole, eh? Stay safe out there, my friend. 🥃
Appreciated the opening comment about “It’s only drink…”. Lots of rants and negativity out there about whisky. No doubt that it’s expensive these days, like everything, but to say that that whatever brand would be so much better if it were $10 cheaper, just doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Thanks for this list, Geoff. No1 by a landslide for me is... ...the IB's. And then my favourites are Linkwood, Mannochmore and Caol Ila (and for the record, preferably refill bourbon) No OB's for me. Slàinte mhath
The Lagavulin 16 is a 190 USD where I live, in India 🥲 and I got one for myself from the US. You have very high quality humour and I thoroughly enjoy your channel @Gwhisky
I live in Central Texas and Diageo just purchased Balcones Distillery in Waco, which is about an hour north of me. The make some great single malts as well as corn whiskey, bourbon, rye, and rum. Diageo hasn't messed with them so far and I hope that they don't. I almost always have something from Balcones on my bar.
I'm quite nervous about Diageo's takeover of Balcones. I've been buying their stuff since the Chip Tate days. Our first scare was when he was booted out but Jared is such a cool guy and whisky geek that was a good transition. I like the way the company has grown and I don't think they would have sold out to Diageo without some solid reassurances. With any luck they will just leave Jared in charge of the distillery and inject some money into marketing and distribution. The prices of the core range have come down and stabilised at a good point. The last thing I want to see is Diageo screwing it up by putting the prices up.
I hate their pricing, but I like their whiskey. Shame I haven't tried the old Talisker 10 cause even this one is a good one for me. 😅 I would love to try lagavulin 8 but it's 82€ and 16 is 90-105€ a little too much what I would like to pay. I Can't believe the 2nd time I knew what whiskey you had as a mystery dram. Thanks for all your videos 🙏 keep doing good work 💯
I think as long as the Whisky tastes good, it's fair game. My favourite Diageo brand would be Talisker, but it's also the only one of these distilleries, where i drank a few of them. Just got the parley, haven't opened it yet, but looking forward to. Second place would be clynelish, than lagavulin, caol ila and at the end would be oban. I only know the 14 years old, might have to give it another try.
I recently had the 2020 Cardhu Special Release. Easily the best malt I’ve had this year. I’ve tried about 65 different drams this year so it’s defn a compliment.
Another great list Geoff. Personally I would have had Lagavulin #1, Talisker #2 & Oban #3, but that’s just my taste. I don’t hate Diageo, but I do wish some of the special releases were priced better. Lagavulin 16 still gets up around $200-$220 AUD here in Australia, although you can sometimes find it as cheap as $130-$140 on sale. Very expensive by comparison to the $100-$110 we were paying only 5 years ago.
Hah I was sure about your number 1. I would put Dailuaine up there for me as anything I have tried from them made my day, absolutely love that stuff. Good idea for a video Geoff, cheers!
Yeah love Talisker Parley. One of my favourite whiskies at the moment. Also like the Talisker special ed octopus, though not as much. Oban is great too and agree with both the special eds there. I need to try more from Lagavulin and Caol Ila though. Total blind spots for me. I just wont buy 40-43% offerings anymore so its tough with them
Thank you for another nice video and for sharing your views Geoff. My top pick would be Clynelish. I still need to try Benrinnes and clearly Oban. I've had a couple of Mortlachs so far which I liked but didn't love...yet.
I’m along the same lines as you with Caol Ila, Laga and Oban as ascending top 3. Caol Ila was the first “good” whisky I enjoyed albeit quickly overshadowed by Bunna. Laga 16 went from 49£ in Tesco to empty shelf for a year. Then other channels at 85£ now seeing sometimes at 64£ 👍 interesting list as the first three I’ve never tried 🤔
Talisker 10 is starting to be back on regular offer for £30 in the UK. It's hard to complain at that price, still, to be honest. And about your question on whether the price is settling, yes, out here in the UK they're definitely coming back down. Maybe not permanently yet, but there are a lot of offers. Makes me wonder what the Special Releases price is going to be this year...
1) I feel the same way as everyone else about Diageo 🙃 2) It's still ok to like the malts - they are still made by the locals who live and work there, for the most part. 3) The sad reality is that if it wasn't for these whale investors, some of these distilleries would've been gone even before some of us had the chance to taste their malts. Think of all the beloved distilleries that went extinct due to the Prohibition, the world wars, and then the Whisky Loch. Making awesome product is not a guarantee of financial success, unfortunately.
Ironically, today I have opened my first Benrinnes, a 19 year old expression from Alexander Murray & Co. So far, I'm loving it. So your video is well-timed for me!
Where I live (southern California), Lagavulin 16 has recently come down a lot. It used to be a bargain, and it's getting there again. I wish it had better specs, but it has a good flavor. In general, this is my impression of Diageo official bottlings - the flavor is reliably good, but presentation could be better. I look for independents. I have a few Signatory cask strength bottlings from Diageo distilleries, and I have a Cadenhead Caol Ila that is very nice. I think Diageo is sitting on some great distilleries, but the specs on most of the official bottlings are geared more toward the general drinker than the community of whisky nerds. At present, my favorite Diageo distillery is Balcones. Since Diageo bought the distillery, the bottles that have come out so far have kept to the good specifications (higher ABV, non-chill filtered, no additives) that Balcones has been known for. I recently picked up a bottle of Balcones Mirador Eclipse single malt, and it is wonderful. Hopefully, Diageo will leave well enough alone at Balcones and allow the people there to continue making great whisky. As long as they do, I'll keep buying Balcones whisky. If they dumb it down, then I'll find something else to buy.
I prefer flavour over specs every time. And so do you if you drink blind tastings. Better having weak specs and tastes brilliant rather than a ralfy holy trinity that tastes like shit.
I knew it was coming but Geoff you mixed up 2 and 1. I would have to add Linkwood as an honorable mention. I know they don't have a distillery bottling but they are everywhere on the IB market and just so so good. I'd have to find a way to put them on this list
Thx for the great and informative video. I dont especially like or dislike Diageo, I have some of their whiskies on the shelf. My favorite is also the Lagavulin 16, although it took a few drams before I grew accustomed to its medicinal taste. The first bottle I bought a few years back was for 44 euro's, later on it became 90 to a 100 Euro over here (The Netherlands). I was lucky to buy my second for 66 euro's and at this time the cheapest way to get it, is online for 72 eur. And the 8 years for 53 euro.
Great show Geoff. I would have had Clynelish and Mortlach in the top three along with Lagavulin. If something tastes great then I couldn't give a flying f**k who owns the brand. The presentation could be better on a lot of the Diageo whiskies but if it's at a good price then why not?
Hi Bonaboms, thanks for the help! Come to think of it I think I remember Ralfy mentioning Whisky Base the way he used The Whiskey Exchange for his Distillery Watch. I'm from the US , and I don't think they ship here, but I can surely use it for research. Thank you!
Some fun jabs and Interesting thoughts Geoff👌 great video My top three would be 3. Clynelish / Talisker 2. Mortlach 1. Caol ila Caol Ila because it makes so much peated stuff whose quality we take for granted and that big body of work enables port askaig, finlaggan and other unnamed islay expressions to exist
Only IB’s from Diageo for me (except Laga 8). Linkwood, Glenlossie, Clynelish, mortlach and Glen Elgin are a few I bought over the last year.Still got bottles of Clynelish 14 and Laga 16 at home that I bought a few years ago. Slàinte Geoff 🥃
Just enjoyed the Lagavulin Offerman last night, and agree that it's delicious, described by one of my group as "Delicious Bandages." I'll be looking for the 8.
Personally, I'd have rated Clynelish higher. However, there seems to be a Roseisle missing from this list (which is the correct answer to "best Diageo whisky")
Love Diageo… without them I wouldn’t even be in the whiskey world. Many a few good stills would have been mothballed. And they probably also attracted way more investment from competitors into the scene. I’ve personally known some of the folks there, all of them whiskey lovers - a lot of the times corporate is just a scapegoat for whatever consumers don’t like about a whiskey. And it’s a shame
I admit I will always buy Lagavulin 16 even at $200 Canadian after taxes. Yup it’s a lot and I love a couple of Talisker expressions. The Lagavulin 16 was my outstanding gateway scotch into scotch and peated scotch. I understand some people disagree. It’s such an elegant, refined peated scotch although I love the rougher younger peated scotch as well!! Cheers!
Ah, Lagavulin 16. Not the first whisky I enjoyed, but the first whisky that made me exclaim, “wow, this is fantastic!” Yes, the price is now more settled, though still higher than it was once. Another bottle is a steady temptation, even though more since have caused me to utter similar exclamations.
Reader, I now have another bottle, from when I spotted an offer. And yes, it’s still great stuff, even with the presentation. I thought I’d moved on, but I still really like it.
Haven't tried Oban or Clynelish yet. I would have Caol Ila, Lagavulin and Mortlach in the top 3, followed by Benrinnes (IB) and Talisker. I bought my bottle of Lagavulin 16 back in October 2022. It was retailing for around $158 NZD, but I got a bit of a discount and paid about $152. Today I see 2 retailers have it for $155, and others are more expensive. So, it hasn't really changed much in price here. Cheers!
In my expensive Korean market, laga 16 was around 150USD by late last year. Now it’s dropped down to around 100USD, like many if not most bottles here, which should have happened earlier. Even Glenfarclas 105 used to be 120-130USD and now it’s around 80. It’s hard to be a whisky drinker in this country!
I really can't knock Talisker and Lagavulin, despite all the recent controversy. Their whiskies have so much character. For me, Dailuaine is missing from this list. I'm a big fan of the IBs I've picked up from the distillery. Great thought provoking list, Geoff.
Given that Glenfarclas is a family-owned sleeper brand (as opposed to the corporoate-owned Diageos, Segraams, Camparis, Brown Formans, etc.), the people who are complaining about Diageo aren't actually buying from the private, non-corporate-owned distilleries.
Clynelish got is equal their 10yo special release (unfortunately colored), very enjoyable and half the price. As for lagavulin 16 here in Italy is 65€. Oban is my favorite too ❤ A special thanks to whisky exchange London borough mkt guys to have let me try the port askaig 8 year expression last month, I love caol Ila, I didn't know pa is made from that
Thanks for the info, I'm new in my whisky journey,but sorry won't risk my money if the liquid is chill filtered and caramel color, preffer independent bottles, un abrazo 🤘
I have most of the bottles you spoke of, and like them all. I have a few IB, and always keep an eye out. I got a bottle of 11 yr. Benrinnes by Signatory. I liked it very much, but it tasted a little thin. It was at 43%. I though I didn't had to worry about that with an IB. Many times when I buy online they don't an ABV or a zoom. How are you supposed to decide?
@@JohnS-d1f maybe you knew this already but when im confronted with that dilemma i simply try and find the bottling on whiskybase or other whisky databases using the distillation and bottling date
I’m with you Geoff. I’ve gone through all the emotions with Diageo. My hate for that company stems back to the 80s when they closed some of my favorite distilleries. But that’s ancient history and now I’ve come to the point where I just accept it. There’s nothing that can be done.
@@torbjornkarlsen I understand your point and I generally prefer and have lots of indie bottlings. But I’ve only seen a Lagavulin indie once and never a Talisker indie. I rarely buy anything anymore anyway.
Here's two independently bottled Taliskers available in Norway. No Lagavulins though. The two Taliskers are rather expensive (for being only 10 and 11 years old anyway), but I'm keeping half an eye open for a good deal on an IB Talisker should it appear.
I just picked up a bottle of the lagavulin 16 for $80 in the US. I have avoided it for a long time because it was outrageously priced at well over 100. Havent opened it yet but hoping b its ss good as i remember.
I even like Blair Athol. But I agree, Oban, Mortlach, Lagavulin and Talisker are still among my favourite whiskies to drink. I know the specs are either bad or meh but I do enjoy their character and Lagavulin 16 is probably my favourite whisky in the world still.
The Clynelish 16 is incredible! Really a great whisky. If you come across this beauty, I'm sure you'll love it. Of course it's not cheap 😢. It's Diageo... 😅
I would love to try the oban 14 , but as of writing this, the price is currently 152$ Canadian. I started with Talisker myself , when the new label came out, i was still new to the whiskey world and i was unaware how inferior it would be , had i known, i would have bought as many old labels as i could, the price at the time was 80, now it's 120 . It breaks my heart since it was such a good dram and one i also feel nostalgic for, let's not even mention the 56 north.
Hi Geoff, when it comes to prices in Canada there is no doubt that the tax/fee/markup does play a role but there are other players too. First off, there is the producer and, as we know so well, they can choose to go "upscale" and increase prices. Then we have the importer and the retailer, they too can markup and profit according to what the market can bear. Regarding Canadian taxes, each province is different and each has a markup regime to fund the government stores and provide a healthy surplus that goes into government revenues. Alberta is different in that the government privatised the retail sector but decided to keep part of the wholesale part for themselves. Private importers procure the product and have it sent to the government warehouse. The importer sets the price the warehouse will charge and the government adds on the legislated markup and delivers it to the retailer. In Alberta the markup on a litre of spirits between 22% and 60% is C$13.76 (other provinces are higher, sometimes much higher). This works out to be C$9.63 per 700 ml bottle regardless of the wholesale price set by the importer. What that means is that for every bottle of whisky in a store, from a $50 bottle of Benromach 10 (actual current sale price in Calgary) to a $150 of Lagavulin (also a current sale price) roughly $10 goes to the government. the rest is taken up by the distillery, transport, importer/distributor markup, and retailer profit. When a retailer in Alberta cites government taxes as a reason for price increases (believe me they do!) it is a falsehood. The real reason is either a price increase on the part of the producer/distiller or by the importer. The markup on spirits is the same as it was in 2017. By the way, another dirty little secret is that importers will sometimes take advantage of the lower Alberta taxes and increase the wholesale price at the government warehouse. That is why sometimes we find the curious anomaly of a price in Alberta being similar to the price in BC where the taxes are inordinately high. The real advantage in Alberta is that the private retail sector affords a greater selection compared to the government stores in other provinces. Also, and this is important, because the importer has "adjusted" the price upwards they are able to routinely drop the price at the warehouse and retailers are able to get them for cheaper and pass it on to the consumer.
Just to be clear, the markups are higher in Canada, and that is because most provinces use their monopoly power to use liquor as a revenue generator to fund the government. Alberta took a step away from that model but have found that the importers and distributors have soaked up some of the savings for themselves. Wily consumers in Alberta will wait for sales when importers are forced to drop the price to move stock or clear out discontinued items. In one instance I was able to buy an originally priced C$90-95 IB single malt for C$50 each.
I can tell you that since 2020 Lagavulin has increased in price, peaking at €109,99 which it still holds. I do think it will go down slightly. but like mentioned in the video, this is in my market and also within our company.
Diageo own half of the distilleries with worm tubs so if, like me, you enjoy a dram with a bit of funk then they simply cannot be ignored. Though you do need to seek out the more craft-like presentations.
Well I am probably a Diageo fan as I like Caol Ila, Talisker, Lagavulin and Oban😂😂😂😂. (Do or did they have co-ownership of Bushmills, because I like that one to?)
Poor, Geoff. Unfortunately, Diageo bought Balcones recently and they deserve to be on this list. I know you can't get it but if you ever see the Cataleja do whatever you must to get it or taste it. It's a legend.
Best brand is Balcones. Everything they make is at least 46%, no color and non chill filtered. They have a bunch of cask strength expressions at fair prices
I agrese with your picks. I also consider Oban 14 very much great. But the prices (in Europe). The prices. Can't ever choose those malts over othes. Diageo has to stop.
Yes lagavulin 16 peaked at 170 in my country last year and now its 150. Of course I hate Diageo but lagavulin is the one that make me a whisky lover/snob. One curious thing about lagavuln is, I've never seen someone saying is bad. There's a lot of "not wat it used to be" and "f* diageo" and "overly priced" but not a single "its bad" That makes me think about what a delicatessen would be a natural presented laga16
Lag 16 usually hovers around $110 near me, which isn't terrible for a 16yo product, but considering it's nerfed nearly to death, I'd rather spend more money on something craft presented, even if it's a little younger.
Yes Diageo owns a number of fantastic distilleries. Talisker, Caol Ila and Lagavulin would be in my top three with Talisker at the top, before the label and recipe change to Talisker 10.... I have IB Caol Ila 12 cask strength that is incredible. Laga 11 Charred Oak is amazing. And poor Talisker 10 has been diminished as a result of the bean counters at Diageo that don't care about their customer base. Such a shame. The new T10 is still good but no where near where it used to be. They messed that up big time. Diageo deserves all the shade their are getting...
No problem with their whiskies at all, lots of good stuffs. Personally don't care much abv, ncf, coloring, as long as the price is right, however it doesn't apply to Diageo.
Talisker is like that one family member who has recently joined a cult. I love them dearly and we still have a good time now and again on the rare occasions when they show their true personality. But then they start talking about how the leader-guy tells them that raising prices and watering yourself down is the path to higher consciousness and I start to tune them out again.
How does this make so much sense.. 😂
57° North is where it's at with Talisker. Some of the old 18s from 10-15 years ago are quite good as well.
Oban at No. 1! That’s why I enjoy your channel! If I can only have one single malt for the rest of my life, it’d be the Oban 14. It was my gateway into single malt, and after having tasted so many other single malts, the Oban 14 remains one of my favorites.
As for Diageo, I don’t know single malt enough to notice who ultimately owns which distillery. Maybe that’s a good thing; I just simply judge a bottle by how much I enjoy it.
Clynelish is my favourite out of the Diageo camp.
I love the Caol ila. IBs in particular. But also the 15 and 18 that are non-peated - love them and just picked up 2 more at auction (really, I couldn’t resist - they are delicious). Lagavulin is great, just expensive. Love the 16 but also the 8 which some days I prefer to the 16. Price just keeps going up in Canada, not down. Some taliskers are great. Picked up a talisker IB single cask a few years back on the Royal Mile: it was cheap and is truly stunning. Oban. Hmmm. Yeah it’s good but I wouldn’t put in no 1 - maybe I haven’t tasted enough of them! I’ll try a few others. Tx Geoff.
Great video, Lagavulin 16 is $75 in my area (PHX)
I love Glen Elgin! I was with a group that visited the distillery a few years ago during the Speyside Whisky Festival and we had the 19yr old Centenary as our dram! Wow!
Hi Mr. Geoff, you leave me speechless....
Great list. And like Diageo or not , but without them (or there pre decessors) the whisky world would be quite different then it is now.
So credit to them for that.
And of course I will not argue your choice for the number one spot of the list, but that is our secret. 🤫
Looking forward to that review for which your are teasing us longer and longer.
Hope you have a great weekend!!
Ah, I made a similar point before I went to read the other comments. People can rail against "corporate greed" all they want, but without it we'd probably all drink cheap industrial vodka, in excessive amounts :)
Thank you so much Geoff for some light entertainment to lower my stress levels. We just had a ballistic missile from Lebanon fired at us last night and spent an hour in the safe room.
I love the topic. Great idea, funny and entertaining.
Here's my take:
7. Glen Elgin 12. This is a product which hasn't really changed in decades. Same whisky with the same 1990s Diageo Classics style label. A bland vatting of Refill Ex-Bourbon with Refill Ex-Sherry. Bottled at 43% abv, heavily chill filtered and coloured. The only interest is if you can find an old bottle from 20 plus years ago to compare it to today. The only IB I've had came from Signatory and was a bit bland.
6. Benrinnes 15: only hints at the superb whisky this distillery can make. What a fantastic signature flavour this distillery makes. I cannot understand for the life of me why Diageo does not promote this more. Perhaps it's because they rely on the spirit to boost the flavours in their increasingly bland Scotch Blends. However, Ex-Bourbon Independent Bottlings of Benrinnes are some of the best whisky I've ever tasted.
6. Clynelish 14: This used to be a must have classic single malt but unfortunately, Diageo have neglected the quality of the casks over the years and messed about with the distillation techniques at Clynelish, in the name of modernisation and efficiency. When I was last there, the guys at Clynelish did not stop complaining about excessive corporate interference and not letting them produce the whisky they wanted. Diageo have ended up destroying the signature waxiness that everyone loved about Clynelish. The other bottlings are criminally expensive for what you get. I'm waiting to see what Diageo is doing with Brora.
5. Mortlach. Because they are heavily sherried, I've never bought Mortlach for religious reasons (non-kosher wine flavour). I have had two Ex-Bourbon matured Signatory bottlings of Mortlach but they were a bit too young and under developed. I'd love to try Mortlach at 15 Years or more.
4. Caol Ila. Here's where I completely disagree with you. Despite the 12 Year Old only being bottled at 43% abv and chill-filtered and coloured, it is, in my opinion, the finest Islay Single Malt out of any of the Islay distillery's core ranges. Since the 2000s it's quality has remained high and consistent. Unfortunately, the Caol Ila 18, which I consider one of the most tastiest Islay single malts bar none, was discontinued some time ago and bottles are becoming difficult to find. I do not recommend the Caol Ila 25. I've had a few batches and all are bland and certainly not worth the high prices. I disagree with you also regarding the unpeated stuff. I think they were awful. To me, they tasted like under-matured Single Grain whisky. Vanilla pods, dry custard powder, harsh spirit. IMO, their unpeated range was complete hype. Honestly! Did you really think they were amazing whiskies or were you just following the trend?
3. Talisker: Since Diageo messed about with the recipe and cask selection, It's become bland, boring and frankly bad whisky. Don't waist your money.
2. Lagavulin: The 16-Year-Old used to be their reasonably priced core-range. It's now far too expensive in my market. I always used to buy the annual 12-Year-Old editions but after the 50% sudden price hike, I haven't bought a bottle since 2019. I haven't been impressed with their multiple editions matured in re-seasoned rejuvenated casks. The 8 Year-Old however is a must have though. I love it! A fraction of the cost of the 12 yet gives you 80% of what the 12 has to offer. It's bottled at 48% abv, probably non-chill-filtered and natural colour and I applaud Diageo for having the guts to put an 8 Year Old age statement on it.
1. Oban. Your favourite Diageo brand? I love your sense humour Geoff.
I have pretty much ignored Oban whisky for years. A couple of years ago I was passing through Oban (which I do quite often), and stopped off to visit the distillery and wanted to buy a bottle of their distillery cask sitting in the visitors' centre. It was marked at a very reasonable price as well. They said that they couldn't sell me anything as the bottles and labels hadn't arrived yet from Diageo. They'd been waiting for two weeks already. I wasn't impressed. However, walking directly across the road to a whisky specialist shop, they had a few bottles. Price was ridiculous though. I gave it a miss.
Certainly agree with your take on Laga, Reb. The 8 for me is such a beautiful, affordable, and characterful dram. Also, I won't disagree with Talisker becoming bland. Caol Ila... yes it's beautiful stuff. I'm less enthusiastic about the 12, although it's solid. The 18 was overlooked for far too long. Stunning whisky. However unlike you I really enjoyed the unpeated stuff. Really interesting to see a brighter and cleaner side to the distillate. I'll agree they had a certain sharpness, but I liked that. They weren't grainy to my palate. Diageo debates... always a fun rabbit hole, eh?
Stay safe out there, my friend. 🥃
Appreciated the opening comment about “It’s only drink…”.
Lots of rants and negativity out there about whisky. No doubt that it’s expensive these days, like everything, but to say that that whatever brand would be so much better if it were $10 cheaper, just doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Thanks for this list, Geoff.
No1 by a landslide for me is...
...the IB's. And then my favourites are Linkwood, Mannochmore and Caol Ila (and for the record, preferably refill bourbon)
No OB's for me.
Slàinte mhath
What's IB and OB?
@@allydea Original Bottler and Independent Botter
The Lagavulin 16 is a 190 USD where I live, in India 🥲 and I got one for myself from the US. You have very high quality humour and I thoroughly enjoy your channel @Gwhisky
I live in Central Texas and Diageo just purchased Balcones Distillery in Waco, which is about an hour north of me. The make some great single malts as well as corn whiskey, bourbon, rye, and rum. Diageo hasn't messed with them so far and I hope that they don't. I almost always have something from Balcones on my bar.
...so far...
I'm hoping they will leave Balcones to do their thing and just give them better distribution. I would love to see any Balcones in Canada (Ontario)
I'm quite nervous about Diageo's takeover of Balcones. I've been buying their stuff since the Chip Tate days. Our first scare was when he was booted out but Jared is such a cool guy and whisky geek that was a good transition. I like the way the company has grown and I don't think they would have sold out to Diageo without some solid reassurances. With any luck they will just leave Jared in charge of the distillery and inject some money into marketing and distribution. The prices of the core range have come down and stabilised at a good point. The last thing I want to see is Diageo screwing it up by putting the prices up.
I hadn't heard that. Surprising, but I can't blame the Balcones founders for selling out. I enjoy their True Blue corn whiskey.
@@andyking894 fingers crossed.
You had me sweating there, Geoff. Heading into number 1 and no Oban. But yeah, the 14 is pretty dynamic. It should suit a wide range of malt drinkers.
I hate their pricing, but I like their whiskey. Shame I haven't tried the old Talisker 10 cause even this one is a good one for me. 😅 I would love to try lagavulin 8 but it's 82€ and 16 is 90-105€ a little too much what I would like to pay. I Can't believe the 2nd time I knew what whiskey you had as a mystery dram. Thanks for all your videos 🙏 keep doing good work 💯
I like most of diageo's distilleries but will go for indie bottlings. Favorites: linkwood, benrinnes, clynelish, mortlach, caol ila, glen ord
I think as long as the Whisky tastes good, it's fair game. My favourite Diageo brand would be Talisker, but it's also the only one of these distilleries, where i drank a few of them. Just got the parley, haven't opened it yet, but looking forward to. Second place would be clynelish, than lagavulin, caol ila and at the end would be oban. I only know the 14 years old, might have to give it another try.
I recently had the 2020 Cardhu Special Release. Easily the best malt I’ve had this year. I’ve tried about 65 different drams this year so it’s defn a compliment.
Another great list Geoff. Personally I would have had Lagavulin #1, Talisker #2 & Oban #3, but that’s just my taste.
I don’t hate Diageo, but I do wish some of the special releases were priced better.
Lagavulin 16 still gets up around $200-$220 AUD here in Australia, although you can sometimes find it as cheap as $130-$140 on sale. Very expensive by comparison to the $100-$110 we were paying only 5 years ago.
I’d choose Lagavulin, Talisker, Caol Ila as my faves on this terrific list!
Lol you really are a fully blown peat head these days, eh? 😉
Hah I was sure about your number 1. I would put Dailuaine up there for me as anything I have tried from them made my day, absolutely love that stuff. Good idea for a video Geoff, cheers!
I believe that the price for the Lag 16 has been stable around my area here in US , $94 USD. It was $100 last year, which is good. Great video!
Yeah love Talisker Parley. One of my favourite whiskies at the moment. Also like the Talisker special ed octopus, though not as much. Oban is great too and agree with both the special eds there. I need to try more from Lagavulin and Caol Ila though. Total blind spots for me. I just wont buy 40-43% offerings anymore so its tough with them
Number 1 lagavulin. ❤ nice top
Maybe port ellen? 😂
Great list Geoff!
My top three would be Clynelish, Lagavulin and Mortlach.
Thank you for another nice video and for sharing your views Geoff. My top pick would be Clynelish. I still need to try Benrinnes and clearly Oban. I've had a couple of Mortlachs so far which I liked but didn't love...yet.
I’m along the same lines as you with Caol Ila, Laga and Oban as ascending top 3. Caol Ila was the first “good” whisky I enjoyed albeit quickly overshadowed by Bunna. Laga 16 went from 49£ in Tesco to empty shelf for a year. Then other channels at 85£ now seeing sometimes at 64£ 👍 interesting list as the first three I’ve never tried 🤔
Talisker 10 is starting to be back on regular offer for £30 in the UK. It's hard to complain at that price, still, to be honest. And about your question on whether the price is settling, yes, out here in the UK they're definitely coming back down. Maybe not permanently yet, but there are a lot of offers. Makes me wonder what the Special Releases price is going to be this year...
You right Geoff ,Laga is expensive , but very good whisky ))).
1) I feel the same way as everyone else about Diageo 🙃 2) It's still ok to like the malts - they are still made by the locals who live and work there, for the most part. 3) The sad reality is that if it wasn't for these whale investors, some of these distilleries would've been gone even before some of us had the chance to taste their malts. Think of all the beloved distilleries that went extinct due to the Prohibition, the world wars, and then the Whisky Loch. Making awesome product is not a guarantee of financial success, unfortunately.
Hot Topic this one Gwhisky and nice picks
Hate what they've done to Talisker 10
It's a £30 whisky and that's it. Coloured and chill filtered 10 year old churned out by the gallon every day. I'm done with it.
Ironically, today I have opened my first Benrinnes, a 19 year old expression from Alexander Murray & Co. So far, I'm loving it. So your video is well-timed for me!
Great! Enjoy! 🥃
Where I live (southern California), Lagavulin 16 has recently come down a lot. It used to be a bargain, and it's getting there again. I wish it had better specs, but it has a good flavor. In general, this is my impression of Diageo official bottlings - the flavor is reliably good, but presentation could be better. I look for independents. I have a few Signatory cask strength bottlings from Diageo distilleries, and I have a Cadenhead Caol Ila that is very nice. I think Diageo is sitting on some great distilleries, but the specs on most of the official bottlings are geared more toward the general drinker than the community of whisky nerds. At present, my favorite Diageo distillery is Balcones. Since Diageo bought the distillery, the bottles that have come out so far have kept to the good specifications (higher ABV, non-chill filtered, no additives) that Balcones has been known for. I recently picked up a bottle of Balcones Mirador Eclipse single malt, and it is wonderful. Hopefully, Diageo will leave well enough alone at Balcones and allow the people there to continue making great whisky. As long as they do, I'll keep buying Balcones whisky. If they dumb it down, then I'll find something else to buy.
I prefer flavour over specs every time. And so do you if you drink blind tastings. Better having weak specs and tastes brilliant rather than a ralfy holy trinity that tastes like shit.
I knew it was coming but Geoff you mixed up 2 and 1. I would have to add Linkwood as an honorable mention. I know they don't have a distillery bottling but they are everywhere on the IB market and just so so good. I'd have to find a way to put them on this list
i guessed the laga ;; and yes - it is being discounted ;;
Thx for the great and informative video. I dont especially like or dislike Diageo, I have some of their whiskies on the shelf. My favorite is also the Lagavulin 16, although it took a few drams before I grew accustomed to its medicinal taste. The first bottle I bought a few years back was for 44 euro's, later on it became 90 to a 100 Euro over here (The Netherlands). I was lucky to buy my second for 66 euro's and at this time the cheapest way to get it, is online for 72 eur. And the 8 years for 53 euro.
Great show Geoff. I would have had Clynelish and Mortlach in the top three along with Lagavulin. If something tastes great then I couldn't give a flying f**k who owns the brand. The presentation could be better on a lot of the Diageo whiskies but if it's at a good price then why not?
Hi Bonaboms, thanks for the help! Come to think of it I think I remember Ralfy mentioning Whisky Base the way he used The Whiskey Exchange for his Distillery Watch. I'm from the US , and I don't think they ship here, but I can surely use it for research. Thank you!
Nicely ranked, Geoff. Plenty of good stuff out there from a frustrating parent company ...
Some fun jabs and Interesting thoughts Geoff👌 great video
My top three would be
3. Clynelish / Talisker
2. Mortlach
1. Caol ila
Caol Ila because it makes so much peated stuff whose quality we take for granted and that big body of work enables port askaig, finlaggan and other unnamed islay expressions to exist
Good point about taking Caol Ila for granted. Beautiful house style! 🥃
Only IB’s from Diageo for me (except Laga 8). Linkwood, Glenlossie, Clynelish, mortlach and Glen Elgin are a few I bought over the last year.Still got bottles of Clynelish 14 and Laga 16 at home that I bought a few years ago. Slàinte Geoff 🥃
Totally agree. All IB for me.
Just enjoyed the Lagavulin Offerman last night, and agree that it's delicious, described by one of my group as "Delicious Bandages." I'll be looking for the 8.
Great description! 🥃
Surprised at how much I loved the Oban 18.
I've heard some folks online say that Clynelish is not the same anymore, that it's lost its characteristic waxy notes that made it distinctive.
Personally, I'd have rated Clynelish higher. However, there seems to be a Roseisle missing from this list (which is the correct answer to "best Diageo whisky")
Oh my friend I really love mortlach … maybe because it was one of the first non Johnnie walker scotch’s that diageo brought to Mexico . Best wishes!
Mortlach is good. Glad you enjoy! 🥃
Unpeated Caol Ila very good indeed!
Love Diageo… without them I wouldn’t even be in the whiskey world. Many a few good stills would have been mothballed. And they probably also attracted way more investment from competitors into the scene. I’ve personally known some of the folks there, all of them whiskey lovers - a lot of the times corporate is just a scapegoat for whatever consumers don’t like about a whiskey. And it’s a shame
Exciting ! Ready to watch! I admit I adore some Diageo brands!! LAGAVULIN!!!
Hi Christine. Do you really love their stuff, for the money they charge? I'm talking about their OB stuff rather than IB's
I admit I will always buy Lagavulin 16 even at $200 Canadian after taxes. Yup it’s a lot and I love a couple of Talisker expressions. The Lagavulin 16 was my outstanding gateway scotch into scotch and peated scotch. I understand some people disagree. It’s such an elegant, refined peated scotch although I love the rougher younger peated scotch as well!! Cheers!
solid choices as usual
Thanks 🙏
Diageo also acquired Balcones a few months ago. Maybe some American (and maybe Indian too) single malt reviews in the future?
I've got some bourbon reviews coming up. I've yet to try Balcones as it's not sold here. 🥃
Caol Ila ,Laga ,Clynly,Tali and Elgin my favorit whisky mr.Geoff ))) Cheers !
Ah, Lagavulin 16. Not the first whisky I enjoyed, but the first whisky that made me exclaim, “wow, this is fantastic!” Yes, the price is now more settled, though still higher than it was once. Another bottle is a steady temptation, even though more since have caused me to utter similar exclamations.
Reader, I now have another bottle, from when I spotted an offer. And yes, it’s still great stuff, even with the presentation. I thought I’d moved on, but I still really like it.
Haven't tried Oban or Clynelish yet. I would have Caol Ila, Lagavulin and Mortlach in the top 3, followed by Benrinnes (IB) and Talisker. I bought my bottle of Lagavulin 16 back in October 2022. It was retailing for around $158 NZD, but I got a bit of a discount and paid about $152. Today I see 2 retailers have it for $155, and others are more expensive. So, it hasn't really changed much in price here. Cheers!
Lagavulin 16 went up in Australia to AU$225 and in the last 12 months it’s dropped to where you can find it at under AU$150.
That's good news! 🥃
In my expensive Korean market, laga 16 was around 150USD by late last year. Now it’s dropped down to around 100USD, like many if not most bottles here, which should have happened earlier. Even Glenfarclas 105 used to be 120-130USD and now it’s around 80. It’s hard to be a whisky drinker in this country!
Yeah Korea is expensive for whisky. Luckily it's a short flight from Japan and Taiwan. 😉🥃
I really can't knock Talisker and Lagavulin, despite all the recent controversy. Their whiskies have so much character. For me, Dailuaine is missing from this list. I'm a big fan of the IBs I've picked up from the distillery.
Great thought provoking list, Geoff.
How can one hate a company that puts out stuff like Lagavulin 12 Special Release 2021. Best bottle I’ve ever owned🥳
Given that Glenfarclas is a family-owned sleeper brand (as opposed to the corporoate-owned Diageos, Segraams, Camparis, Brown Formans, etc.), the people who are complaining about Diageo aren't actually buying from the private, non-corporate-owned distilleries.
It would help if the core lineup wasn’t all 43% in the US
Clynelish got is equal their 10yo special release (unfortunately colored), very enjoyable and half the price.
As for lagavulin 16 here in Italy is 65€.
Oban is my favorite too ❤
A special thanks to whisky exchange London borough mkt guys to have let me try the port askaig 8 year expression last month, I love caol Ila, I didn't know pa is made from that
Thanks for the info, I'm new in my whisky journey,but sorry won't risk my money if the liquid is chill filtered and caramel color, preffer independent bottles, un abrazo 🤘
Lagavulin 16 is about $100 in sweden, thankfully the Ron Swanson edition is due in week at the same price!
I wanted to question how you whittled down the distilleries...and I wanted to like this video just a whittle.......BAHAHAHA!!!!
Nice. 😂
I have most of the bottles you spoke of, and like them all. I have a few IB, and always keep an eye out. I got a bottle of 11 yr. Benrinnes by Signatory. I liked it very much, but it tasted a little thin. It was at 43%. I though I didn't had to worry about that with an IB. Many times when I buy online they don't an ABV or a zoom. How are you supposed to decide?
@@JohnS-d1f maybe you knew this already but when im confronted with that dilemma i simply try and find the bottling on whiskybase or other whisky databases using the distillation and bottling date
Benrinnes the Benn 10 year old 55% abv is really good!
I’m with you Geoff. I’ve gone through all the emotions with Diageo. My hate for that company stems back to the 80s when they closed some of my favorite distilleries. But that’s ancient history and now I’ve come to the point where I just accept it. There’s nothing that can be done.
Yes there is, you could stick to whisky from different distilleries and independent bottlings.
@@torbjornkarlsen I understand your point and I generally prefer and have lots of indie bottlings. But I’ve only seen a Lagavulin indie once and never a Talisker indie. I rarely buy anything anymore anyway.
Here's two independently bottled Taliskers available in Norway. No Lagavulins though. The two Taliskers are rather expensive (for being only 10 and 11 years old anyway), but I'm keeping half an eye open for a good deal on an IB Talisker should it appear.
Great to see you cato and my opinions are very personal. Diageo aren't a whisky company, they're just an organisation that invests in the market.
I just picked up a bottle of the lagavulin 16 for $80 in the US. I have avoided it for a long time because it was outrageously priced at well over 100. Havent opened it yet but hoping b its ss good as i remember.
Lagavulin 16 (and the 8) are still insanely expensive in little Springfield, MO.
Diageo might have bad stats but they do have some delicious stuff
Agree! 🥃
I even like Blair Athol. But I agree, Oban, Mortlach, Lagavulin and Talisker are still among my favourite whiskies to drink. I know the specs are either bad or meh but I do enjoy their character and Lagavulin 16 is probably my favourite whisky in the world still.
Great! I'm happy to drink a 43% whisky if it's got the flavour I like. 🥃
To answer your question, Lagavulin 16 is 90 USD in Houston, TX these days. Probably peaked at 100
The Clynelish 16 is incredible! Really a great whisky. If you come across this beauty, I'm sure you'll love it. Of course it's not cheap 😢. It's Diageo... 😅
I'm sure it's fantastic! 🥃
Lagavulin 16 just went up 20% here in Norway and is now 114 USD for a 0,7 litre
RIP. Heldigvis er det mye annet å velge mellom!
@@torbjornkarlsen Absolutt
Lagavulin 25y is one of the best whisky i ever had😋
Fancy fancy! 🥃
I would love to try the oban 14 , but as of writing this, the price is currently 152$ Canadian. I started with Talisker myself , when the new label came out, i was still new to the whiskey world and i was unaware how inferior it would be , had i known, i would have bought as many old labels as i could, the price at the time was 80, now it's 120 . It breaks my heart since it was such a good dram and one i also feel nostalgic for, let's not even mention the 56 north.
Wow that's way too expensive. Here in Taiwan Obama 14 is CAD $60. Those 🇨🇦taxes man...
Hi Geoff, when it comes to prices in Canada there is no doubt that the tax/fee/markup does play a role but there are other players too. First off, there is the producer and, as we know so well, they can choose to go "upscale" and increase prices. Then we have the importer and the retailer, they too can markup and profit according to what the market can bear.
Regarding Canadian taxes, each province is different and each has a markup regime to fund the government stores and provide a healthy surplus that goes into government revenues. Alberta is different in that the government privatised the retail sector but decided to keep part of the wholesale part for themselves. Private importers procure the product and have it sent to the government warehouse. The importer sets the price the warehouse will charge and the government adds on the legislated markup and delivers it to the retailer.
In Alberta the markup on a litre of spirits between 22% and 60% is C$13.76 (other provinces are higher, sometimes much higher). This works out to be C$9.63 per 700 ml bottle regardless of the wholesale price set by the importer. What that means is that for every bottle of whisky in a store, from a $50 bottle of Benromach 10 (actual current sale price in Calgary) to a $150 of Lagavulin (also a current sale price) roughly $10 goes to the government. the rest is taken up by the distillery, transport, importer/distributor markup, and retailer profit.
When a retailer in Alberta cites government taxes as a reason for price increases (believe me they do!) it is a falsehood. The real reason is either a price increase on the part of the producer/distiller or by the importer. The markup on spirits is the same as it was in 2017.
By the way, another dirty little secret is that importers will sometimes take advantage of the lower Alberta taxes and increase the wholesale price at the government warehouse. That is why sometimes we find the curious anomaly of a price in Alberta being similar to the price in BC where the taxes are inordinately high. The real advantage in Alberta is that the private retail sector affords a greater selection compared to the government stores in other provinces. Also, and this is important, because the importer has "adjusted" the price upwards they are able to routinely drop the price at the warehouse and retailers are able to get them for cheaper and pass it on to the consumer.
Just to be clear, the markups are higher in Canada, and that is because most provinces use their monopoly power to use liquor as a revenue generator to fund the government. Alberta took a step away from that model but have found that the importers and distributors have soaked up some of the savings for themselves. Wily consumers in Alberta will wait for sales when importers are forced to drop the price to move stock or clear out discontinued items. In one instance I was able to buy an originally priced C$90-95 IB single malt for C$50 each.
Linkwood is also beautiful
In my market, Lagavulin 16 still peaked at $190 CAN....no expectation of it ever coming down...
Question: why is Diageo controversial? Is it mostly for how they handled Talisker and its offerings?
I can tell you that since 2020 Lagavulin has increased in price, peaking at €109,99 which it still holds. I do think it will go down slightly. but like mentioned in the video, this is in my market and also within our company.
Diageo own half of the distilleries with worm tubs so if, like me, you enjoy a dram with a bit of funk then they simply cannot be ignored. Though you do need to seek out the more craft-like presentations.
Well I am probably a Diageo fan as I like Caol Ila, Talisker, Lagavulin and Oban😂😂😂😂. (Do or did they have co-ownership of Bushmills, because I like that one to?)
Poor, Geoff. Unfortunately, Diageo bought Balcones recently and they deserve to be on this list. I know you can't get it but if you ever see the Cataleja do whatever you must to get it or taste it. It's a legend.
Yes, Lag 16 is $20 USD less than a year ago.
Provocative indeed !
Best brand is Balcones. Everything they make is at least 46%, no color and non chill filtered. They have a bunch of cask strength expressions at fair prices
I got a bad Benrinnes 18 year IB from Sutherland. So not good. I’d put in Linkwood over them. Other than that I agree with the list.
I like Cardhu a lot
I like the Clynelish 14, Mortlach, Port Askaig, Talisker, Laga other than the16, but not Oban 14.
I agrese with your picks. I also consider Oban 14 very much great.
But the prices (in Europe). The prices. Can't ever choose those malts over othes. Diageo has to stop.
Yes lagavulin 16 peaked at 170 in my country last year and now its 150.
Of course I hate Diageo but lagavulin is the one that make me a whisky lover/snob.
One curious thing about lagavuln is, I've never seen someone saying is bad. There's a lot of "not wat it used to be" and "f* diageo" and "overly priced" but not a single "its bad"
That makes me think about what a delicatessen would be a natural presented laga16
Lagavulin 8 is currently £38 on Amazon, rude not to at that price
Lagavulin 16 is £62 on amazon uk
Lag 16 usually hovers around $110 near me, which isn't terrible for a 16yo product, but considering it's nerfed nearly to death, I'd rather spend more money on something craft presented, even if it's a little younger.
looking over their lineup i see theyre the brand of high school parties with smirnoff, seagrams7, and the cap'n
I like Cragganmore and dailuenie but its only available as an IB
The price of lagavulin 16 had gone crazy now a days
Lagavulin 16 is 96$ in Bulgaria. Cheers to all peat fans
Yes Diageo owns a number of fantastic distilleries. Talisker, Caol Ila and Lagavulin would be in my top three with Talisker at the top, before the label and recipe change to Talisker 10.... I have IB Caol Ila 12 cask strength that is incredible. Laga 11 Charred Oak is amazing. And poor Talisker 10 has been diminished as a result of the bean counters at Diageo that don't care about their customer base. Such a shame. The new T10 is still good but no where near where it used to be. They messed that up big time. Diageo deserves all the shade their are getting...
They ain’t getting any shade from their shareholders.
@@125ctg they will be after people stop buying their product as much because they degrade the quality and raise prices at the same time.
No problem with their whiskies at all, lots of good stuffs.
Personally don't care much abv, ncf, coloring, as long as the price is right, however it doesn't apply to Diageo.
Geoff taught me to hate diagio. I didn't even know what it is before. lol