TerminalError!! Great to have you hear mate, really enjoyed your take on the withereds, hence why I featured you at the end :) if people havent seen your video yet, they should 100% check it out!
3:14 - 3:27 and THAT is what Philosophers call the Theseus' Ship Paradox. If you have a ship, but replace every piece on that ship with new pieces, is it the same ship when not a single original piece remains? And what if the old parts are used to make a new ship (Funtimes under MoltenMCI?), which one is truly the ship of theseus??
They are technically the same but they look different because 1. The withereds suits would not been able to be repaired because the amount of blood that stained the inside of the suit so they had to re design the suits. and 2. Some of their endo parts would have to have been replaced because of age and probably blood Reminence as well.
in the game its actually stated that fazbear entertainment tried to repair the old animatronics but stopped mid way and just used the old animatronics for spare parts to make the toy animatronics..
one thing that completely shatters the theory: fnaf1 phone guy talks about the bite of '87 (literally the ending of fnaf2) in past tense, meaning it already happened, meaning fnaf2 is before fnaf1
I always thought that the reason they look different is because of what Afton did in the FNAF 3 minigames. See, I believe that Afton actually disasembled the animatronics before we play as Michael in FNAF 1. That way he can get the remnant from the endoskeletons he needs for the Funtimes in Sister Location. We can also tell that these are slightly older variations of the models since Freddy and Bonnie sport buttons on their design in the minigame when they don't have these buttons in FNAF 1 and we all know that Scott doesn't do coincidences. Of course, in doing this, he unknowingly frees the spirits of the children from their animatronic bodies and they take their revenge on Afton as he gets springlocked in his own suit. Now the kids are free from their animatronics bodies, but they don't actually have any peace or closure. So I don't think they actually leave the building. Instead, they stay in the building and they haunt that building. This could explain all of the 'halluciniations' we see in FNAF 1. It could be the ghosts trying to communicate with Mike, yes, but it could be even creepier if these things in the environment were ACTUALLY CHANGING thanks to the fact that the animatronic haunt the building. We see posters changing, writing on the walls, a circus organ playing and that easter egg in the backstage where the endoskeleton and all the heads turn to look at the camera could be explained as a hallucination OR those heads ACTUALLY MOVED because of the children now haunting the building. Of course, Fazbear Entertainment did have to put the animatronics back together again and this does explain why so many parts of the animatronic's endoskeleton is different since Afton would have taken a lot of their parts. Once the animatronics had basically almost been rebuilt from the ground up, the ghosts with nowhere else to go, haunt the animatronics again as that's really all they know. So they now haunt the characters AND the building. We can also see in the FNAF movie how they haunt the building as well as the characters as we see lights flickering to various characters' presence, doors closing and opening on their own, pots and pans being rattled around and heck the whole building literally comes crashing down thanks to their rage once they've springlocked Afton. So, in a way, they are still kind of the same robots. But they've literally had to be completely restored and improved thanks to what Afton did. That's partly why Freddy's would need a security guard even when the place is shut down since Fazbear Entertainment might think that what happened to the animatronics was because of some vandal that broke in to mess things up when we know it was actually Afton. It would also give another reason for Mike to go to the FNAF 1 location: to investigate Freddy's AND because it was his father's last known location.
I've never actually thought about the idea that the building itself was haunted. Mind you the FNAF1 building is the same building that the MCI happened in, so it makes sense for the children to haunt the building they were killed in, not just the animatronics.
@@doopo_ Oh wait, you’re right. I forgot they still kept the same location since 1985 (not including fnaf 2 area) because I forgot about the safe room still existing in fnaf 1
2:22 Small thing, but I'm fairly certain Fredbear wasn't retired before or probably during Fredbear's Family Diner Phone Guy is familiar with the old animatronics, but is less familiar with Fredbear's Family Diner The old restaurant the Withereds came from was probably a similar layout, or even the same building as what would later be used as the FNAF 1 location, since Phone Guy also mentions that the old location had doors for the office, unlike the FNAF 2 location
You know in the FNAF 4 minigame theres mask of the Unwithereds on the bully's heads? Probably the UN withereds were probably together with Fredbear and Springbonnie and were later used for a new location which is now FNAF 2.
Pretty sure that wasn't meant to be the 'OG' Fredbear, the bite of '83 cutscene clearly shows a more Withered Golden Freddy type look (the jaw, him being more bulky, etc.)
Baby proofing the animatronics is a good way to explain the missing top set of teeth on the FNaF 1 models. If we imagine that they removed the top teeth to keep anymore kids (or unlucky dayshift guards) from meeting grizzly law suit ensuing death. Oh God I said grizzly AHH BEAR PUNS!
My personal theory is pretty similar, after the 1987 location closed down with the toys being discarded and the withereds being kept around for a new location, Fazbear Entertainment redesigned the suits because the main reason why the withereds weren't used in the 1987 location was because "they were so ugly" as Phone Guy says, so they gave them a cuter and friendlier suit, they also made their jaws a lot more safer by having less power on the servos or pneumatics depending on what technology they used (realistically it would be pneumatics as that's what real animatronics use and they can be pretty powerful but Phone Guy mentions the fact that they use servos in FNAF 1, so maybe they either had servos all along or replaced pneumatics with servos.) one of the changes on their jaws was to remove the upper row of teeth on Freddy and Bonnie. These redesigns also made Freddy look less like Fredbear (who most likely looked more like the Withered Freddy design than the FNAF 1 Freddy design shown on UCN which makes zero sense if you think about it for more than 2 minutes) Fazbear Entertainment would reuse a lot of the metal parts on the original endoskeletons, which are the parts that the remnant holds onto in the first place so the kids' spirits would still be there. And like you said in the video, they disposed of the corpses found stuffed inside of the animatronics as Fazbear Entertainment reports dead people as "missing" and covers up their deaths. So in conclusion Fazbear Entertainment is evil and everyone involved with the company or it's decisions deserves to burn in hell for eternity expect maybe for the minimum wage workers like the cashiers and security guards.
They are canonically the same Animatronics. The true and obvious explanation for why the designs are different is because Scott "upgraded" the designs of the classic Animatronics for the second game. Let us examine the material, from Dawko's interview and some Reddit posts we can understand that although Scott had a lot of experience when it comes to making models, Five Nights at Freddy's was very experimental. Five Nights at Freddy's 2 was more developed and throught out. We can see that when making the Withered Animatronics Scott gave them upper teeth, some buttons and other small detail to overhaul the designs. Some people could argue that the Withered Animatronics are different for lore reasons but just look at Springtrap and Afton ("Scraptrap"). They are canonically the exact same character but his design took a 360º between games. Scott is not consistent with designs and everyone knows that. Great video regardless. I love when people come up with theories to try and explain Scott's inconsistencies from a lore prespective! Edit: Fixed some grammar mistakes.
@PURPLEB1LL maybe the "retrofit" part has to deal with how they look as their upgrades would've invited them having upper teeth, bigger frameworks and more cartooney details however in the process they got scrapped and used as extra parts to Male the toys hence why they are left withered as they are incomplete
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THIS!!(people who don't watch matpats more recent theories of the 1st fnaf games keep saying something contradictory to this no hating on that it's just too many keep doing it and it gives me a headache)
At 3:21, i do think that they did replaced some parts of the endo like this head and the legs, and that the endo in fnaf 1 parts and services is actually an newer endo they made after replacing the parts from the old endos
My theory is that the withered designs came after the fnaf 1 design, with the fnaf 1 being the original prototype designs and the withereds being a later design that ended up being used in fredbear's. Because the children died in the withered design, they would have went back to the original design because 1: they were safer and 2: fazbear entertainment wouldnt like new animatronics looking like the ones that (at least they knew) killed children and 3: they would have casings / parts for this design laying around. They used the withereds parts, because they were upgraded with better technology. This is why the fnaf 1 animatronics are still haunted and why both designs appear in promo art at the same time.
Evidence supports that the withered animatronics had the bodies removed, and the animatronics in FNAF 1 had no bodies, and the reason (looks to) W foxy has a endo 02, is cause he has a edited endo for his ears, Chica is the only one who has a not edited FNAF 01 endo.
well of course fnaf 1 has no bodies in the animatronics it takes place after fnaf 2 (1987) and the bodies were likely removed in 1985 a bit after the MCI
the withered one's were prebuilds of the ones we see in fnaf 1, The bodies were stuffed in them in fnaf 2 (The deaths happened in fnaf 2) In fnaf 2, Purple guy killed the kids in that Freddy's place, stuffed the kids in those suit's, Built the ones we see in fnaf 1. The toy animatronics had a bad night mode which is why they were moving.
@@unknownytarsnal What?? 😂 The incident where the victims were stuffed into the animatronic was in 1985, when the withered were non withered. The MCI in 1987 weren’t stuffed into any animatronics. And the toy animatronics attack the guards because william messed with their facial recognition
@@AFnECRtDFtddFnaf 2 Dream cutscenes say otherwise Same animatronic it confirmed after guy who worked on the games (bright shadow) Made in 1983. Withered in 85. Toys got scraped, old were remodeled mate If not same William killed 5 more kids which don’t make sense
I feel like people just overthink this, modern technology can completely make this possible, all they did was rebuild specific parts of the shells AND endoskeletons using the old tech as just a base for more affordability options
Pretty good explanation for the in-game redesign, though I would say that the og Freddy's/location 0 is a separate establishment from fredbear's, though same company/franchise
Another possible explanation is while building the new suits and Endoskeletons, Fazbear Entertainment reused parts from the old suits and Endoskeletons or melted down what they couldn't into the parts they needed. But all of these parts would still have the remnant and souls of the kids inside. Also if the majority of their souls are inside the circuit boards which were probably fully reused it would make sense for them to inhabit a completely new suit and endoskeleton. This is something we see with Glitchtrap being at least partially Afton even if it isn't fully him. We see it again in Help Wanted 2 with Circus Baby in her levels. A large enough piece of them remained to essentially clone them digitally. But that's with damaged circuitry, back then the original animatronics wouldn't have had their circuitry as badly damaged. Maybe replaced a fuse or a capacitor here and there, clean up some oxidation and everything runs perfectly. I see this online with old electronic restorations where they take broken or non functional electronics ,specifically game systems and have them working as good or better than factory new. If we assume that the circuitry from the Withered Animatronics was reused completely with just a new endoskeleton then it makes sense. If the same hardware and software that was running the Withereds was simply transferred into the new suits and endoskeletons, they would still have the souls of the kids still attached to them.
You know, if they were swapping out essentially haunted parts into new endoskeletons, which then kind of haunt the new endos, that would mean that whole "5 things turn into one thing" from the Candy Cadet would essentially be about Mangle. As I understand it, Mangle was an activity where the kids could take apart and put back together an animatronic, and if cost cutting was part of the business model, it would be reasonable to assume that other "spare parts" from the old haunted animatronics may end up in the parts bin for Mangle. This would then kind of spread the haunting around like a virus, going from original haunted animatronic, to mangle, to any part that came from Mangle and back into the rotation as repair parts. Maybe thats part of how the missing child incident and how many kids must have been killed can make sense.
but this is very wrong in my opinion, The wither's were the prebuild's of the ones we see in fnaf 1, they were used after the scrap of the toy animatronics.
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You know. This would also explain a line from the puppet in ultimate custom night. "The others are like animals, but I'm very aware." Soul spilling messes with your memory, so maybe the refurbishing caused that?
This is because fnaf 2 is before fnaf 1 and the withared animatronics is the big new replacement then the bite of 83 happend and the withared animatronics got replaced by the toys
It’s the Ship of Theseus situation. The Withereds represent the Classics, but there would be so many redesigns to both the outer shell and the endoskeleton (as Endo 02 and Endo 01 are distinct entities, unlike Golden and Withered Golden Freddy, which are implied to be the exact same), that it would be uncertain if the New Classics are still the Old Classics. The classics in FNaF1 appear to be a bit more appealing with the repairs and redesigns, and less bulky with the slimmer Endo 01s.
Fun fact Scott has a few statements of “I thought the design looked cool.” So if it’s never mentioned ever in the series, it’s safe to assume the design issues is just Scott thinking the new ones looked cool.
I thought withered animatronic just animatronic from fnaf 1 that go renovated but because of something happened they had to cancel it and make the new one
The withereds ARE the original animatronics from fnaf 1, but fnaf 2 was BEFORE fnaf 1, so the withereds got updated designs, resulting in why they look so different, the withereds were the og animatronics from 1983/1984, but they became withered and were stored away in the Parts And Service room in fnaf 2, which is how we know the withered animatronics to this day, they were fixed and updated between 1987-1993 (the dates fnaf 2 and fnaf 1 took place), foxy would've initially been fixed from his withered state, but it doesn't really explain why he is so damaged and broken when fnaf 1 happens in the timeline. This info is what I know about the fnaf 1 classic animatronics and fnaf 2 withered animatronics looking completely different, the withereds were originally non-withered versions of how we know the withereds from fnaf 2, overtime they started to become withered and worn down, bonnie being specifically removed of his face and left arm to be reused and recycled for toy bonnie, because there were not enough resources to make a face and arm for toy bonnie, hence why the OG bonnie is the only withered to be missing his face and arm, while the rest didn't go through what he had to go through, after the toy animatronics were scrapped, the withereds were given new, better, more simpler designs, possibly to make maintenance and repairs much easier to do. All with the exception of golden freddy, because golden is only an apparition (I'm guessing) and that is the thing I have issues trying to figure out, how did GOLDEN FREDDY, originally known as FREDBEAR get fixed and given a new look, if no one is able to see him, or even knew golden freddy even existed still after the incident at his old restaurant, Fredbear's Family Diner
My thoery: People forget that animatronics are animatronics, which means they don't necessarily need to replace parts with completely new ones. What I mean is that an Endo 01 can become an Endo 02 using the entirety of the previous endo skeleton to create the new Endo, to which new technology is added. The same goes for the suits; the Withereds are exactly the same animatronics from FNAF 1 with the technology from FNAF 2 and vice versa. As for the bodies of the children, I don't believe that if a child dies and is placed inside an animatronic, the body remains inside it. I believe that the physical body, at the moment of possession, merges with the animatronic and leaves no traces of its existence. This means that even if the police had known they were inside, they would never have been able to recover them. Unlike Springtrap, who literally merged with the animatronic and therefore his physical body became part of the animatronic itself, like an endoskeleton. That's why his body didn't disappear when he was possessed.
my theory was that there were "unwithered" animatronics in an earlier than fnaf2 restaurant (maybe even with fredbears. So when the fnaf2 location closed and toy animatronics scrapped they were refitted to look more friendly and cleaner.
I feel like the endoskeleton thing could be like what William Afton did with the Funtimes and broke them down, melted the metal, and changed them to look at what they look like in the game
So one thing about the jaws on the withereds. Fnaf2 takes place in 87, potentially ending with the bite. Wouldnt it make sense for them to change the jaws on their animatronics after that?
In FNAF 4 minigames, We can see both Endo-01 and Endo-02 in “Part & Service” room when Crying Child is trapped inside it. Keep it in mind, Endo-02 is Springlock Endoskeleton and that can explain “Fredbear & Friends” TV shows in FNAF 4 minigames While Endo-01 is An endoskeleton that purely use for An Animatronics
I also tought the same thing, because in the FNAF 4 in the 1st minigame ( I think). When the CC is in his room you can see the animatronic plushies AND you can also see Michaels firends wearing masks of foxy, chica, freddy and bonnie. Meaning that even then they existed
0:29 i have a theory, save them takes place before fnaf 1 and the fnaf 1 animatronics used to look like repaired fnaf 2 withered but due to the save them event they where remade
My theory: In 1987-1993, celebrate the grand re-opening of Freddy Fazbear’s (FNAF 2), the company stripped the withered animatronics parts, to either reuse or to use for comparison and scale. But when they DID reuse the parts, Remnant lingers inside of them. Causing the FNAF 1 animatronics to come to life.
I have a theory it's not a FNAF theory but the theory is that in TMNT splintered fate you encounter the chairman a person who sells you helpful items and if you want to buy those items you need scrap from the robots so I theorize that the chairman and the guy who is making the robots are secretly allies and use the scrap that you collect to recycle it and make the scrap into new bots
Wait so the main parts they removed to “baby proof them “ does that mean those are the parts that William Afton used for revenant and for the Funtime animatronics, I have so many questions. My head hurts.
There’s something weird……. In fnaf 1 they mentioned the bite of 87 which happened in fnaf 2… but fnaf 2 had to have been after fnaf 1 since the withereds are fnaf one animatronics 🤔
Love your video and keep up the great work. You are awesome and what kf they are the same, but FNAF 2 comes first, and they saw the old one and fix them up
Only problem with this theory is golden freddy. We know golden freddy is merely a ghost/hallucination so how would that work in your context? Everything else makes sense but for now we dont know how cassidy would be in a different suit
In FNAF 4 minigames, We can see both Endo-01 and Endo-02 in “Part & Service” room when Crying Child is trapped inside it. Keep it in mind, Endo-02 is Springlock Endoskeleton and that can explain “Fredbear & Friends” TV shows in FNAF 4 minigames While Endo-01 is An endoskeleton that purely use for An Animatronics
I think that while the jr’s was open the corpse of the children have rotten away but they still had that smell to the suits. And before fnaf 1 they fixed the suits not into the fnaf 1 designs but fixed versions of the withered animatronics due to how in Fnaf 3 mini games bonnie and freddy have buttons, when William Afton destroyed them they rebuilt the animatronics with new friendlier designs.
Also something your talking about is the scrapping of the withereds because if scrapping is done they would have to be disassembled correct? If that case then wouldn’t the workers find the blood or bits of the dead children? Since william was in-charge of the old restaurant hence he didn’t want anyone to find out about him stuffing kids inside the animatronics since bones can’t really disappear also the phone guy talking about the bite of 87 ( either toy bonnie or mangle) which takes place AFTER FNAF 2 explaining that FNAF 2 takes place before FNAF 1 even tho the FNAF 2 game was released after FNAF 1 the lore here is extremely important stating that in this case FNAF 2 is before FNAF 1 (if im wrong about anything let me know edit: also some of the workers maybe did not know about the bodys but since its been a few years the bone or some of the flesh may remain so they could’ve called it in and instead used some of the not blood covered casing and recycled into the FNAF 1 animatronics still correct me if im wrong (1% chance of me responding)
Personally I agree with the fact that the unwithered animatronics are the first versions of Freddy Bonnie Chica and Foxy because when the restaurants were first opened they opened a location called fredbear's Family Diner which consisted of fredbear and spring Bonnie but Henry and William decided to create some new characters for the restaurant so they created Freddy Bonnie Chica and Foxy and place them in a separate area in the restaurant they're kind of like Cabaret attractions in a way but after fredbear's Family Diner was shut down do you know the unwithered animatronics got their own location the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza where the missing children's incident took place after that restaurant closed they opened a new one with toy animatronics after the FNAF 2 location closed they open a new location in 1993 with the animatronics from the first game
i have another theory for the endo. they melted it down, took the technology out of them, recasted the endo with the same metal they melted and put the technology back in.
I have been enough fan ever of FNAF since the first game came out when I was a child, yet now as an adult one question that I had was never answered. It’s mentioned mentioned by phone guy in FNAF 1 that parents complained about both blood and mucus coming from the animatronics; however, in FNAF 2, it was mentioned that the withered animatronics were refurnished, meaning that Fazbear entertainment would have found the bodies of the missing children and disposed of them, which is why we don’t see the corpses of the missing children in FNAF 2 in the withered animatronics,(Withered Foxy being an example…). With that said, if the bodies were disposed of in FNAF 2, and the withered animatronics were kept because they were refurbished with advanced technology and made into the FNAF 1 animatronics, then how come parents complained about mucus and blood coming from the FNAF1 Animatronics? TLDR: If Fazbear entertainment disposed of the bodies in the withered animatronics before the gameplay of FNAF 2 took pace, and the FNAF 2 withered animatronics were made into the FNAF 1 animatronics, then why did the parents complain about the FNAF 1 one animatronics having blood and mucas coming from them?
I have a possible answer for this: Maybe William afton changed the animatronics bodies and endos in 1993 so he wouldn't have taken out the spirits. Also I think the children souls are stuck into the animatronics endo because foxy had a broken stomach in fnaf 2 and we didn't see a single part of the child's body inside withered foxy. Yep that answers my question.
But withered chica is the original one from chica’s party world before fredbears family diner but got destroyed and there is no un-withered withered chica
Wait but was the fnaf1 building made before the fnaf 2 building but the fnaf 2 game took place before the fnaf 1 gane right? Because werent the withered animanatronics from fnaf 1.sorry this part of fnaf always troubles me
In the book they were melted down to make the funtime animatronics. (Might not be canon for the games) but the Freddy in the fnaf 3 minigame does have buttons like the withered one
Another thing I thought about with this idea, the whole "remnant" thing bein a huge ordeal now they could have made new molds for the endos, turned the older endos into the molten steel that still has the souls inside it, an forged the new endos with it. Cause we've seen that the remnant can survive for long periods of time an extreme heat. So all that happened is the souls were still trapped inside the robots but they got a new endo an some flashy covers. To me, it explains the sudden transformation between FNAF 1 an 2. Redesigned to be child friendly with the children still hauntin the suits...
I think the soul is in the part the corpse had contact with, the chest portion of the animatronic skeleton. It’s the main part that wouldn’t of been replaced
Oh my God, do people STILL get confused about this??? Come on! It's been almost 10 years! Tho to be fair, when replacement of endo parts is involved, the way the animatronics are possessed gets... a bit messy. Are the spirits attached to the actual endoskeletons, or merely to the characters in general? I think the latter is what happens if we want this idea to make sense. Otherwise, the spirits would be split between multiple parts and animatronics, aaaand it'd be the remnant biz all over again, and I don't like that.
Dont forget the withered has more teeth meaning the withered design is the earlier version of the animatronics Fnaf 1:1993 fnaf 2:1985 meaning fnaf 2 took place earlier than fnaf 1.
If people believe the fnaf 2 animatronics and the fnaf1 animatronics aren’t the same because of different design, then by that logic scraptrap isn’t springtrap because they’re design is different
And the reason why the FNAF 1 and 2 animatronics (FNAF 2 withereds) looks so differen tis because Fazbear Entertainment want to recreate the Unwithereds/Withereds but more kid - friendly and addicted to the children, because Henry thought the Unwithereds looked too scary, thats why they were scrapped.
or if we abide by occam's razor in which the simplest answer is the correct one, we know scott likes to make robots based on his previous games before fnaf, and maybe he simply just made the withereds from scratch without reusing the old endo model making a new endo model instead
In FNAF 4 minigames, We can see both Endo-01 and Endo-02 in “Part & Service” room when Crying Child is trapped inside it. Keep it in mind, Endo-02 is Springlock Endoskeleton and that can explain “Fredbear & Friends” TV shows in FNAF 4 minigames While Endo-01 is An endoskeleton that purely use for An Animatronics
This is my theory. I think that after William broke the animatronics in fnaf 1. That when fnaf 2 came out they found the old parts and used the ones that had soul in them and tried to fix them but couldnt. After finding out they couldnt fix the withers, they scrapped them to use them for the toys, (Note the fnaf 1 animatronics were damaged in the breaking from william so they did get scuffed up) that is my theory. Thank you.
Here's the ACTUAL reason behind the differences in design: Scott dosn't actually reuses models between projects unless it has relevence for the plot, and commits to always create a new model for each projects. This is why Scraptrap looks nothing like Springtrap. This is why Molten dosn't look like Ennard at all. This is why golden Freddy in fnaf 1 and 2 dosn't have five fingers. This is why Fredbear and Spring Bonnie's hats and bowties change colors between games, movie and books. And this is why the withered looks nothing like the fnaf 1 designs, even trought the books suggest that in the very first freddy's location (the one from 1985 were they origninated from, wich isn't Fredbear's) looks like the fnaf 1 designs. They went from fnaf 1, to fnaf 2, to fnaf 1 again. Why? Because Scott just dosn't care. It has no revelance to the story in any ways. This is also why the dream squences in fnaf 2 were you see from Freddy's perspective the animatronics are the fnaf 1 designs, they were in the original freddy's that opened in 1983 and closed in 1985. Hence why the puppet was present into theses dreams. Comfirming that the "Give the gift of life" minigame isn't just a symblolic gesture. Why? Because in the game's timeline. William didn't stuff the kids. She did to give them life. Wich is different from both games and books, because there's not even a puppet in them. Also, the story was changed.
Well, I think that the endoskeletons were fixed up and upgraded. The metal is the source of remnant that let the kids possess the animatronics, after all. And of course, the casing was changed to help with that too And I believe that either theh didn't report the bodies, or William discarded their bodies
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TerminalError!! Great to have you hear mate, really enjoyed your take on the withereds, hence why I featured you at the end :) if people havent seen your video yet, they should 100% check it out!
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i saw ur original video terminal, i loved ur vid!
@TwistedAnimatronic thank you! I'm glad you liked it, and I really liked your theory as well!
@@Critical.TF2 thank you! I'm really glad you liked it!
Every theorist: thinking they are figuring out the fnaf lore
Scott Cawthon waiting for them to make the lore: “the fools”
Me: ok so the person who did bite of 87 is foxy wait no mangle AHHH
Scott: not my problem
so true!
@@TheTitanCam Toy Chica. 'Where's my beak? Lodged in your forehead, of course!'
@@Phyriorthat’s not a bite
3:14 - 3:27 and THAT is what Philosophers call the Theseus' Ship Paradox.
If you have a ship, but replace every piece on that ship with new pieces, is it the same ship when not a single original piece remains?
And what if the old parts are used to make a new ship (Funtimes under MoltenMCI?), which one is truly the ship of theseus??
They are technically the same but they look different because 1. The withereds suits would not been able to be repaired because the amount of blood that stained the inside of the suit so they had to re design the suits. and 2. Some of their endo parts would have to have been replaced because of age and probably blood Reminence as well.
@onakelley9086 I know that
And there models were discontinued
@onakelley9086 Was there a reason to mention it?
@onakelley9086 No?
@onakelley9086 wtf is your point 💀
that info wasn’t needed
in the game its actually stated that fazbear entertainment tried to repair the old animatronics but stopped mid way and just used the old animatronics for spare parts to make the toy animatronics..
one thing that completely shatters the theory:
fnaf1 phone guy talks about the bite of '87 (literally the ending of fnaf2) in past tense, meaning it already happened, meaning fnaf2 is before fnaf1
Finally, someone who understands the FNAF lore SERIOUSLY.
Yes you are correct at least some one knows what they are talking about
Yeah everyone knows that, the guy was talking about the withered animatronics being repaired and becoming the animatronics in fnaf 1
Or shortly: FNAF2 is a prequel to FNAF1
I don’t like that myth…
The more I hear this guy, the more I'm convinced I Know his voice...but from where ;)
Super horror bro
@@King_of_mobile_gaming247 Was Twisted in a theory Superhorrorbro did?
Wait…YOUR TWISTED??
I always thought that the reason they look different is because of what Afton did in the FNAF 3 minigames.
See, I believe that Afton actually disasembled the animatronics before we play as Michael in FNAF 1. That way he can get the remnant from the endoskeletons he needs for the Funtimes in Sister Location. We can also tell that these are slightly older variations of the models since Freddy and Bonnie sport buttons on their design in the minigame when they don't have these buttons in FNAF 1 and we all know that Scott doesn't do coincidences. Of course, in doing this, he unknowingly frees the spirits of the children from their animatronic bodies and they take their revenge on Afton as he gets springlocked in his own suit.
Now the kids are free from their animatronics bodies, but they don't actually have any peace or closure. So I don't think they actually leave the building. Instead, they stay in the building and they haunt that building. This could explain all of the 'halluciniations' we see in FNAF 1. It could be the ghosts trying to communicate with Mike, yes, but it could be even creepier if these things in the environment were ACTUALLY CHANGING thanks to the fact that the animatronic haunt the building. We see posters changing, writing on the walls, a circus organ playing and that easter egg in the backstage where the endoskeleton and all the heads turn to look at the camera could be explained as a hallucination OR those heads ACTUALLY MOVED because of the children now haunting the building.
Of course, Fazbear Entertainment did have to put the animatronics back together again and this does explain why so many parts of the animatronic's endoskeleton is different since Afton would have taken a lot of their parts. Once the animatronics had basically almost been rebuilt from the ground up, the ghosts with nowhere else to go, haunt the animatronics again as that's really all they know. So they now haunt the characters AND the building. We can also see in the FNAF movie how they haunt the building as well as the characters as we see lights flickering to various characters' presence, doors closing and opening on their own, pots and pans being rattled around and heck the whole building literally comes crashing down thanks to their rage once they've springlocked Afton.
So, in a way, they are still kind of the same robots. But they've literally had to be completely restored and improved thanks to what Afton did. That's partly why Freddy's would need a security guard even when the place is shut down since Fazbear Entertainment might think that what happened to the animatronics was because of some vandal that broke in to mess things up when we know it was actually Afton. It would also give another reason for Mike to go to the FNAF 1 location: to investigate Freddy's AND because it was his father's last known location.
I've never actually thought about the idea that the building itself was haunted. Mind you the FNAF1 building is the same building that the MCI happened in, so it makes sense for the children to haunt the building they were killed in, not just the animatronics.
I honestly like this idea so much better
True ;+;❤
@@doopo_ Oh wait, you’re right. I forgot they still kept the same location since 1985 (not including fnaf 2 area) because I forgot about the safe room still existing in fnaf 1
2:22
Small thing, but I'm fairly certain Fredbear wasn't retired before or probably during Fredbear's Family Diner
Phone Guy is familiar with the old animatronics, but is less familiar with Fredbear's Family Diner
The old restaurant the Withereds came from was probably a similar layout, or even the same building as what would later be used as the FNAF 1 location, since Phone Guy also mentions that the old location had doors for the office, unlike the FNAF 2 location
You know in the FNAF 4 minigame theres mask of the Unwithereds on the bully's heads? Probably the UN withereds were probably together with Fredbear and Springbonnie and were later used for a new location which is now FNAF 2.
@@antonioscholtenyea, matpats timeline has them coexisting for a while until freddy’s and fredbear’s split apart
UCN confirms Fredbear has the FNAF 1 styling
That wouldn’t make sense as the FNaF 1 design was made in 1993, not in 1983.
@@mubestvideos586 yeah
That could've just been Scott's laziness. And Freadbear has looked completely different before UCN
Pretty sure that wasn't meant to be the 'OG' Fredbear, the bite of '83 cutscene clearly shows a more Withered Golden Freddy type look (the jaw, him being more bulky, etc.)
@@mubestvideos586 Those designs were over 20 years old by 93
Baby proofing the animatronics is a good way to explain the missing top set of teeth on the FNaF 1 models. If we imagine that they removed the top teeth to keep anymore kids (or unlucky dayshift guards) from meeting grizzly law suit ensuing death.
Oh God I said grizzly AHH BEAR PUNS!
And to keep any bear related incidents
Fnaf 2 takes place before fnaf 1, Scott Cawton changed the timelines💀
Just assume fnaf 2 one is a different timeline from fnaf 1 timeline and all things go different
its always been before fnaf 1
Years later after fnaf 2 was basically said to be a prequel somehow people don't know that.
And it’s already stated in the game because it literally says itself that it takes place in 1987
My personal theory is pretty similar, after the 1987 location closed down with the toys being discarded and the withereds being kept around for a new location, Fazbear Entertainment redesigned the suits because the main reason why the withereds weren't used in the 1987 location was because "they were so ugly" as Phone Guy says, so they gave them a cuter and friendlier suit, they also made their jaws a lot more safer by having less power on the servos or pneumatics depending on what technology they used (realistically it would be pneumatics as that's what real animatronics use and they can be pretty powerful but Phone Guy mentions the fact that they use servos in FNAF 1, so maybe they either had servos all along or replaced pneumatics with servos.)
one of the changes on their jaws was to remove the upper row of teeth on Freddy and Bonnie. These redesigns also made Freddy look less like Fredbear (who most likely looked more like the Withered Freddy design than the FNAF 1 Freddy design shown on UCN which makes zero sense if you think about it for more than 2 minutes)
Fazbear Entertainment would reuse a lot of the metal parts on the original endoskeletons, which are the parts that the remnant holds onto in the first place so the kids' spirits would still be there.
And like you said in the video, they disposed of the corpses found stuffed inside of the animatronics as Fazbear Entertainment reports dead people as "missing" and covers up their deaths.
So in conclusion Fazbear Entertainment is evil and everyone involved with the company or it's decisions deserves to burn in hell for eternity expect maybe for the minimum wage workers like the cashiers and security guards.
WILLIAM COULD BE THE ONE WHO DISPOSED OF THEM
Ain't reading allat 💀💀💀
@@The1-The-G But you are taking your time to announce that you "ain't reading allat", interesting.
@@eekturk4258 Ain't reading allat 💀💀💀
@@The1-The-G Yet you still spend your time to make it heard that you will not read "allat", quite interesting.
They are canonically the same Animatronics. The true and obvious explanation for why the designs are different is because Scott "upgraded" the designs of the classic Animatronics for the second game. Let us examine the material, from Dawko's interview and some Reddit posts we can understand that although Scott had a lot of experience when it comes to making models, Five Nights at Freddy's was very experimental. Five Nights at Freddy's 2 was more developed and throught out. We can see that when making the Withered Animatronics Scott gave them upper teeth, some buttons and other small detail to overhaul the designs. Some people could argue that the Withered Animatronics are different for lore reasons but just look at Springtrap and Afton ("Scraptrap"). They are canonically the exact same character but his design took a 360º between games. Scott is not consistent with designs and everyone knows that. Great video regardless. I love when people come up with theories to try and explain Scott's inconsistencies from a lore prespective!
Edit: Fixed some grammar mistakes.
But in the lore fnaf 2 took place before fnaf 1 so like that destroys the purpose of this
@PURPLEB1LL maybe the "retrofit" part has to deal with how they look as their upgrades would've invited them having upper teeth, bigger frameworks and more cartooney details however in the process they got scrapped and used as extra parts to Male the toys hence why they are left withered as they are incomplete
@@SuperBlueGamer9000ACTUALLY, THEY ONLY INSTALLED FACIAL RECOGNITION SYSTEMS INTO THEM
@@SuperBlueGamer9000ACTUALLY, THEY ONLY INSTALLED FACIAL RECOGNITION SYSTEMS INTO THEM
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THIS!!(people who don't watch matpats more recent theories of the 1st fnaf games keep saying something contradictory to this no hating on that it's just too many keep doing it and it gives me a headache)
At 3:21, i do think that they did replaced some parts of the endo like this head and the legs, and that the endo in fnaf 1 parts and services is actually an newer endo they made after replacing the parts from the old endos
My theory is that the withered designs came after the fnaf 1 design, with the fnaf 1 being the original prototype designs and the withereds being a later design that ended up being used in fredbear's. Because the children died in the withered design, they would have went back to the original design because 1: they were safer and 2: fazbear entertainment wouldnt like new animatronics looking like the ones that (at least they knew) killed children and 3: they would have casings / parts for this design laying around. They used the withereds parts, because they were upgraded with better technology. This is why the fnaf 1 animatronics are still haunted and why both designs appear in promo art at the same time.
What do YOU THINK? Are the FNAF2 Withereds the 1993 Animatronics? *DROP YOUR THEORIES BELOW*
i think chica has the hinged jaw is because that's Henry's creation in his first restaurant
I think fazbear entertainment melted the fnaf 2 withereds and used the melted metal to make the fnaf 1 animatronics
No because the withered Animatronics are endo 2 and the og Animatronics are endo 1
No because fnaf 2 took place BEFORE fnaf 1 so like its impossible to use future animatronics for past animatronics
@@Thelocklord-52 Because they changed the endos and etc.
Evidence supports that the withered animatronics had the bodies removed, and the animatronics in FNAF 1 had no bodies, and the reason (looks to) W foxy has a endo 02, is cause he has a edited endo for his ears, Chica is the only one who has a not edited FNAF 01 endo.
well of course fnaf 1 has no bodies in the animatronics it takes place after fnaf 2 (1987) and the bodies were likely removed in 1985 a bit after the MCI
the withered one's were prebuilds of the ones we see in fnaf 1, The bodies were stuffed in them in fnaf 2 (The deaths happened in fnaf 2) In fnaf 2, Purple guy killed the kids in that Freddy's place, stuffed the kids in those suit's, Built the ones we see in fnaf 1. The toy animatronics had a bad night mode which is why they were moving.
@@unknownytarsnal What?? 😂
The incident where the victims were stuffed into the animatronic was in 1985, when the withered were non withered. The MCI in 1987 weren’t stuffed into any animatronics. And the toy animatronics attack the guards because william messed with their facial recognition
@@unknownytarsnal fnaf 2 is in 1987 not 1985
@@AFnECRtDFtddFnaf 2 Dream cutscenes say otherwise
Same animatronic it confirmed after guy who worked on the games (bright shadow)
Made in 1983. Withered in 85. Toys got scraped, old were remodeled mate
If not same William killed 5 more kids which don’t make sense
I feel like people just overthink this, modern technology can completely make this possible, all they did was rebuild specific parts of the shells AND endoskeletons using the old tech as just a base for more affordability options
Pretty good explanation for the in-game redesign, though I would say that the og Freddy's/location 0 is a separate establishment from fredbear's, though same company/franchise
AGREED
Another possible explanation is while building the new suits and Endoskeletons, Fazbear Entertainment reused parts from the old suits and Endoskeletons or melted down what they couldn't into the parts they needed. But all of these parts would still have the remnant and souls of the kids inside. Also if the majority of their souls are inside the circuit boards which were probably fully reused it would make sense for them to inhabit a completely new suit and endoskeleton.
This is something we see with Glitchtrap being at least partially Afton even if it isn't fully him. We see it again in Help Wanted 2 with Circus Baby in her levels. A large enough piece of them remained to essentially clone them digitally. But that's with damaged circuitry, back then the original animatronics wouldn't have had their circuitry as badly damaged. Maybe replaced a fuse or a capacitor here and there, clean up some oxidation and everything runs perfectly.
I see this online with old electronic restorations where they take broken or non functional electronics ,specifically game systems and have them working as good or better than factory new. If we assume that the circuitry from the Withered Animatronics was reused completely with just a new endoskeleton then it makes sense. If the same hardware and software that was running the Withereds was simply transferred into the new suits and endoskeletons, they would still have the souls of the kids still attached to them.
You know, if they were swapping out essentially haunted parts into new endoskeletons, which then kind of haunt the new endos, that would mean that whole "5 things turn into one thing" from the Candy Cadet would essentially be about Mangle. As I understand it, Mangle was an activity where the kids could take apart and put back together an animatronic, and if cost cutting was part of the business model, it would be reasonable to assume that other "spare parts" from the old haunted animatronics may end up in the parts bin for Mangle. This would then kind of spread the haunting around like a virus, going from original haunted animatronic, to mangle, to any part that came from Mangle and back into the rotation as repair parts. Maybe thats part of how the missing child incident and how many kids must have been killed can make sense.
Hello, i have a question.. could u make an video theory about what happened to minireenas, bidybabs ect. after funtimes left the place?
Bro is game theory but for ONLY Fnaf!
but this is very wrong in my opinion, The wither's were the prebuild's of the ones we see in fnaf 1, they were used after the scrap of the toy animatronics.
Sooo... Game Theory?
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You know. This would also explain a line from the puppet in ultimate custom night. "The others are like animals, but I'm very aware." Soul spilling messes with your memory, so maybe the refurbishing caused that?
This is because fnaf 2 is before fnaf 1 and the withared animatronics is the big new replacement then the bite of 83 happend and the withared animatronics got replaced by the toys
> FNAF 2 Pizzeria Wiith Withered Animatronics Shuts Down
> Retrofits Characters & Modifys Endo Skeleton
It’s the Ship of Theseus situation. The Withereds represent the Classics, but there would be so many redesigns to both the outer shell and the endoskeleton (as Endo 02 and Endo 01 are distinct entities, unlike Golden and Withered Golden Freddy, which are implied to be the exact same), that it would be uncertain if the New Classics are still the Old Classics.
The classics in FNaF1 appear to be a bit more appealing with the repairs and redesigns, and less bulky with the slimmer Endo 01s.
This is what I've been saying for years, thank you for providing a clear and easy explanation🔥🔥
No problem!
congrats on the views! this video is sick because ive always wondered this
Thanks :)
@@TwistedAnimatronic DANG I just saw this comment bro and I came back and you now have 23k didnt you have like 2 or 5 k?!?!?! Congrats though!!!!
Fun fact Scott has a few statements of “I thought the design looked cool.” So if it’s never mentioned ever in the series, it’s safe to assume the design issues is just Scott thinking the new ones looked cool.
2:05 at this point, it would’ve probably been just skeletons. I think it would’ve decomposed to a point where was just skeletons.
flesh dosent decompose that quick 💀
@@AFnECRtDFtddwouldn’t it? It was roughly 5 years give or take that they had to decompose I assume
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Finally there is a youtuber, who noticed that the endos of the withereds are diffrent to the endos in fnaf 1
0:27 Who made this animation?
I thought withered animatronic just animatronic from fnaf 1 that go renovated but because of something happened they had to cancel it and make the new one
bro is the kind of person to answer every question in fnaf
✨MatPat✨
The withereds ARE the original animatronics from fnaf 1, but fnaf 2 was BEFORE fnaf 1, so the withereds got updated designs, resulting in why they look so different, the withereds were the og animatronics from 1983/1984, but they became withered and were stored away in the Parts And Service room in fnaf 2, which is how we know the withered animatronics to this day, they were fixed and updated between 1987-1993 (the dates fnaf 2 and fnaf 1 took place), foxy would've initially been fixed from his withered state, but it doesn't really explain why he is so damaged and broken when fnaf 1 happens in the timeline. This info is what I know about the fnaf 1 classic animatronics and fnaf 2 withered animatronics looking completely different, the withereds were originally non-withered versions of how we know the withereds from fnaf 2, overtime they started to become withered and worn down, bonnie being specifically removed of his face and left arm to be reused and recycled for toy bonnie, because there were not enough resources to make a face and arm for toy bonnie, hence why the OG bonnie is the only withered to be missing his face and arm, while the rest didn't go through what he had to go through, after the toy animatronics were scrapped, the withereds were given new, better, more simpler designs, possibly to make maintenance and repairs much easier to do.
All with the exception of golden freddy, because golden is only an apparition (I'm guessing) and that is the thing I have issues trying to figure out, how did GOLDEN FREDDY, originally known as FREDBEAR get fixed and given a new look, if no one is able to see him, or even knew golden freddy even existed still after the incident at his old restaurant, Fredbear's Family Diner
2:40 perfect example of what my room would have looked like
😂😂😂tf is that pillow😂😂😂
@@Jasper-gh1ph idk😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It’s actually impossible for the withered to be the same animatronics as the animatronics in fnaf 1 because fnaf 2 takes place BEFORE fnaf 1
That makes no difference
@@zolbayr480 what you mean by that?
@@zolbayr480 sure, I was an Old Person and now i'm a baby, don't bother about timeline
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Good theory. It makes things less complicated because theres less missing children.
My thoery:
People forget that animatronics are animatronics, which means they don't necessarily need to replace parts with completely new ones. What I mean is that an Endo 01 can become an Endo 02 using the entirety of the previous endo skeleton to create the new Endo, to which new technology is added. The same goes for the suits; the Withereds are exactly the same animatronics from FNAF 1 with the technology from FNAF 2 and vice versa.
As for the bodies of the children, I don't believe that if a child dies and is placed inside an animatronic, the body remains inside it. I believe that the physical body, at the moment of possession, merges with the animatronic and leaves no traces of its existence. This means that even if the police had known they were inside, they would never have been able to recover them.
Unlike Springtrap, who literally merged with the animatronic and therefore his physical body became part of the animatronic itself, like an endoskeleton. That's why his body didn't disappear when he was possessed.
my theory was that there were "unwithered" animatronics in an earlier than fnaf2 restaurant (maybe even with fredbears. So when the fnaf2 location closed and toy animatronics scrapped they were refitted to look more friendly and cleaner.
yes you’re correct
after Fredbears there was a new restaurant focused around freddy, bonnie, chica, foxy which included the unwithered designs
Scott when people point out his plot hole: 😰
Scott after somebody makes a video explaining it: 😌
Scott when he see someone ignore entire a lore in FNAF 2:💀💀💀
I feel like the endoskeleton thing could be like what William Afton did with the Funtimes and broke them down, melted the metal, and changed them to look at what they look like in the game
So one thing about the jaws on the withereds. Fnaf2 takes place in 87, potentially ending with the bite. Wouldnt it make sense for them to change the jaws on their animatronics after that?
Hey I predicted what you would say! Sweet!
1:14 the reason is fnaf 2 withered foxy use endo 02 which have 3 toes while fnaf 1 foxy use endo 01 which have 3 toes
In FNAF 4 minigames, We can see both Endo-01 and Endo-02 in “Part & Service” room when Crying Child is trapped inside it.
Keep it in mind, Endo-02 is Springlock Endoskeleton and that can explain “Fredbear & Friends” TV shows in FNAF 4 minigames
While Endo-01 is An endoskeleton that purely use for An Animatronics
@@overlord2004but endo 02 is same as endo 1 while springlock suit are different
@@revichairindra Look carefully, they're completely different
I also tought the same thing, because in the FNAF 4 in the 1st minigame ( I think). When the CC is in his room you can see the animatronic plushies AND you can also see Michaels firends wearing masks of foxy, chica, freddy and bonnie. Meaning that even then they existed
0:29 i have a theory, save them takes place before fnaf 1 and the fnaf 1 animatronics used to look like repaired fnaf 2 withered but due to the save them event they where remade
My theory:
In 1987-1993, celebrate the grand re-opening of Freddy Fazbear’s (FNAF 2), the company stripped the withered animatronics parts, to either reuse or to use for comparison and scale. But when they DID reuse the parts, Remnant lingers inside of them. Causing the FNAF 1 animatronics to come to life.
I have a theory it's not a FNAF theory but the theory is that in TMNT splintered fate you encounter the chairman a person who sells you helpful items and if you want to buy those items you need scrap from the robots so I theorize that the chairman and the guy who is making the robots are secretly allies and use the scrap that you collect to recycle it and make the scrap into new bots
"tell me you just joined the fnaf fandom without telling me you just joined the fnaf fandom"
Scott cooked so hard with the Withereds designs that they became new animatronics.
Wait so the main parts they removed to “baby proof them “ does that mean those are the parts that William Afton used for revenant and for the Funtime animatronics, I have so many questions. My head hurts.
Same 😂😂
Its so warming how people still make videos of this old game, its so nice! apart from Poppy Playtime
There’s something weird……. In fnaf 1 they mentioned the bite of 87 which happened in fnaf 2… but fnaf 2 had to have been after fnaf 1 since the withereds are fnaf one animatronics 🤔
Love your video and keep up the great work. You are awesome and what kf they are the same, but FNAF 2 comes first, and they saw the old one and fix them up
Only problem with this theory is golden freddy. We know golden freddy is merely a ghost/hallucination so how would that work in your context? Everything else makes sense but for now we dont know how cassidy would be in a different suit
Hes a ghost, so he copied new freddys design, that alot why we have withered goldy in ucn
@@DaveThePotat0 good theory!! I'll keep that in mind
In FNAF 4 minigames, We can see both Endo-01 and Endo-02 in “Part & Service” room when Crying Child is trapped inside it.
Keep it in mind, Endo-02 is Springlock Endoskeleton and that can explain “Fredbear & Friends” TV shows in FNAF 4 minigames
While Endo-01 is An endoskeleton that purely use for An Animatronics
I think that while the jr’s was open the corpse of the children have rotten away but they still had that smell to the suits. And before fnaf 1 they fixed the suits not into the fnaf 1 designs but fixed versions of the withered animatronics due to how in Fnaf 3 mini games bonnie and freddy have buttons, when William Afton destroyed them they rebuilt the animatronics with new friendlier designs.
Also something your talking about is the scrapping of the withereds because if scrapping is done they would have to be disassembled correct? If that case then wouldn’t the workers find the blood or bits of the dead children? Since william was in-charge of the old restaurant hence he didn’t want anyone to find out about him stuffing kids inside the animatronics since bones can’t really disappear also the phone guy talking about the bite of 87 ( either toy bonnie or mangle) which takes place AFTER FNAF 2 explaining that FNAF 2 takes place before FNAF 1 even tho the FNAF 2 game was released after FNAF 1 the lore here is extremely important stating that in this case FNAF 2 is before FNAF 1 (if im wrong about anything let me know edit: also some of the workers maybe did not know about the bodys but since its been a few years the bone or some of the flesh may remain so they could’ve called it in and instead used some of the not blood covered casing and recycled into the FNAF 1 animatronics still correct me if im wrong (1% chance of me responding)
Personally I agree with the fact that the unwithered animatronics are the first versions of Freddy Bonnie Chica and Foxy because when the restaurants were first opened they opened a location called fredbear's Family Diner which consisted of fredbear and spring Bonnie but Henry and William decided to create some new characters for the restaurant so they created Freddy Bonnie Chica and Foxy and place them in a separate area in the restaurant they're kind of like Cabaret attractions in a way but after fredbear's Family Diner was shut down do you know the unwithered animatronics got their own location the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza where the missing children's incident took place after that restaurant closed they opened a new one with toy animatronics after the FNAF 2 location closed they open a new location in 1993 with the animatronics from the first game
I think that they remembered that foxy was a liability and scrapped him before he was finished, which is why is is like that in fnaf one
i have another theory for the endo. they melted it down, took the technology out of them, recasted the endo with the same metal they melted and put the technology back in.
Like the moltenMCI
Fnaf1 animatronics are the fnaf2 weathered animatronics, but with pieces added to them from the toy animatronics as replacement parts.
Nice theory btw William was freinds with Henry since childhood
Nah
how do u know
I have been enough fan ever of FNAF since the first game came out when I was a child, yet now as an adult one question that I had was never answered.
It’s mentioned mentioned by phone guy in FNAF 1 that parents complained about both blood and mucus coming from the animatronics; however, in FNAF 2, it was mentioned that the withered animatronics were refurnished, meaning that Fazbear entertainment would have found the bodies of the missing children and disposed of them, which is why we don’t see the corpses of the missing children in FNAF 2 in the withered animatronics,(Withered Foxy being an example…).
With that said, if the bodies were disposed of in FNAF 2, and the withered animatronics were kept because they were refurbished with advanced technology and made into the FNAF 1 animatronics, then how come parents complained about mucus and blood coming from the FNAF1 Animatronics?
TLDR:
If Fazbear entertainment disposed of the bodies in the withered animatronics before the gameplay of FNAF 2 took pace, and the FNAF 2 withered animatronics were made into the FNAF 1 animatronics, then why did the parents complain about the FNAF 1 one animatronics having blood and mucas coming from them?
This also explains why they seamingly bit you to death in the 2nd game but stuff you in a suit in the first
I have a possible answer for this:
Maybe William afton changed the animatronics bodies and endos in 1993 so he wouldn't have taken out the spirits.
Also I think the children souls are stuck into the animatronics endo because foxy had a broken stomach in fnaf 2 and we didn't see a single part of the child's body inside withered foxy.
Yep that answers my question.
But withered chica is the original one from chica’s party world before fredbears family diner but got destroyed and there is no un-withered withered chica
3:15 the animatronic Endos that have the soul are melted and built into the new endo
Wait but was the fnaf1 building made before the fnaf 2 building but the fnaf 2 game took place before the fnaf 1 gane right? Because werent the withered animanatronics from fnaf 1.sorry this part of fnaf always troubles me
Hey idk if youve seen those ninja turtle costume props from like the 80s there is a before and after picture, it reminds me of this
In the book they were melted down to make the funtime animatronics. (Might not be canon for the games) but the Freddy in the fnaf 3 minigame does have buttons like the withered one
The thing different about w.bonnie and og bonnie is that w.bonnie has buttons and is more of a purple looking color
Another idea is that Scott wanted to make a new design so people won’t get bored of the old ones…
Another thing I thought about with this idea, the whole "remnant" thing bein a huge ordeal now they could have made new molds for the endos, turned the older endos into the molten steel that still has the souls inside it, an forged the new endos with it. Cause we've seen that the remnant can survive for long periods of time an extreme heat. So all that happened is the souls were still trapped inside the robots but they got a new endo an some flashy covers. To me, it explains the sudden transformation between FNAF 1 an 2. Redesigned to be child friendly with the children still hauntin the suits...
I think the soul is in the part the corpse had contact with, the chest portion of the animatronic skeleton. It’s the main part that wouldn’t of been replaced
Phone guy actually talks about the bite of 87 in fnaf 1 which proves this wrong😅
Oh my God, do people STILL get confused about this??? Come on! It's been almost 10 years!
Tho to be fair, when replacement of endo parts is involved, the way the animatronics are possessed gets... a bit messy. Are the spirits attached to the actual endoskeletons, or merely to the characters in general? I think the latter is what happens if we want this idea to make sense. Otherwise, the spirits would be split between multiple parts and animatronics, aaaand it'd be the remnant biz all over again, and I don't like that.
3:05 my theory is that after the 1993 pizzeria opened the puppet took the souls from the withereds then put them inside the ones we see in fnaf 1
Dont forget the withered has more teeth meaning the withered design is the earlier version of the animatronics
Fnaf 1:1993 fnaf 2:1985 meaning fnaf 2 took place earlier than fnaf 1.
If people believe the fnaf 2 animatronics and the fnaf1 animatronics aren’t the same because of different design, then by that logic scraptrap isn’t springtrap because they’re design is different
I dont think they are different from design, its because FNAF 2 LEGIT TOOK PLACE BEFORE THE FNAF 1 ANIMATRONICS EVEN EXISTED.
Actually I think he's right bro
@@BoxtorBonnie I think you’re forgetting the fact that THE WITHEREDS IN FNAF 2 GOT REMODELED YEARS AFTER (FNAF 1)
And the reason why the FNAF 1 and 2 animatronics (FNAF 2 withereds) looks so differen tis because Fazbear Entertainment want to recreate the Unwithereds/Withereds but more kid - friendly and addicted to the children, because Henry thought the Unwithereds looked too scary, thats why they were scrapped.
or if we abide by occam's razor in which the simplest answer is the correct one, we know scott likes to make robots based on his previous games before fnaf, and maybe he simply just made the withereds from scratch without reusing the old endo model making a new endo model instead
I honestly believe after fnaf 2 got shut down, the withered were rebuilt into the fnaf 1 versions
No, they're literally the animatronics used in Fredbear's Family Diner.
The Withereds are unfinished redesigns, after FNAF 2 they were just reverted them back to how they looked in 1983
This guys voice makes me happy
4:08 WRONG ENDO (ON THE RIGHT)
In FNAF 4 minigames, We can see both Endo-01 and Endo-02 in “Part & Service” room when Crying Child is trapped inside it.
Keep it in mind, Endo-02 is Springlock Endoskeleton and that can explain “Fredbear & Friends” TV shows in FNAF 4 minigames
While Endo-01 is An endoskeleton that purely use for An Animatronics
@@overlord2004 I'M REFERRING TO THE WRONG ENDO IMAGE HE USED
This is my theory. I think that after William broke the animatronics in fnaf 1. That when fnaf 2 came out they found the old parts and used the ones that had soul in them and tried to fix them but couldnt. After finding out they couldnt fix the withers, they scrapped them to use them for the toys, (Note the fnaf 1 animatronics were damaged in the breaking from william so they did get scuffed up) that is my theory. Thank you.
Here's the ACTUAL reason behind the differences in design: Scott dosn't actually reuses models between projects unless it has relevence for the plot, and commits to always create a new model for each projects.
This is why Scraptrap looks nothing like Springtrap.
This is why Molten dosn't look like Ennard at all.
This is why golden Freddy in fnaf 1 and 2 dosn't have five fingers.
This is why Fredbear and Spring Bonnie's hats and bowties change colors between games, movie and books.
And this is why the withered looks nothing like the fnaf 1 designs, even trought the books suggest that in the very first freddy's location (the one from 1985 were they origninated from, wich isn't Fredbear's) looks like the fnaf 1 designs.
They went from fnaf 1, to fnaf 2, to fnaf 1 again.
Why? Because Scott just dosn't care. It has no revelance to the story in any ways.
This is also why the dream squences in fnaf 2 were you see from Freddy's perspective the animatronics are the fnaf 1 designs, they were in the original freddy's that opened in 1983 and closed in 1985. Hence why the puppet was present into theses dreams. Comfirming that the "Give the gift of life" minigame isn't just a symblolic gesture.
Why? Because in the game's timeline. William didn't stuff the kids. She did to give them life.
Wich is different from both games and books, because there's not even a puppet in them. Also, the story was changed.
Well, I think that the endoskeletons were fixed up and upgraded. The metal is the source of remnant that let the kids possess the animatronics, after all. And of course, the casing was changed to help with that too
And I believe that either theh didn't report the bodies, or William discarded their bodies
Bro doesn't realize the phone guy referenced the bite of 87 in past tense and FNAF 2 took place in 1987 before FNAF 1 which took place in 1993💀
Probably they are the same because I think it’s the same dead kids souls in the animatronics
Silly silly, the company tried to fix the animatronics, so that’s why the wizards look different from the Fnaf one and animatronics