It seems as though we feel the same on these and the OH10's, the OH10 is my go-to iem for everything. I can't find a single fault with them, not to mention iKKO sent out the bluetooth adapter as well and it doesn't make the audio suffer at all.
I love my P1's with a BTR5. I bought both on your recommendation and don't regret it. I won't buy the P2's. The BTR5 is a bit bulky but I carry it everywhere, if I can't use the BTR5 with an IEM, the IEM makes no sense to me.
I got the P1 a few months ago and found them to be very amp dependent. They were detailed but not very enjoyable to me as I wanted to use them on the go more often. The only way I could enjoy them was with my Fiio K3. I returned them and got the FH3. Different iem but didn't regret the switch. Then I got the Shuoer Tape last month and I was overwhelmed by how good they sounded, while also being super efficient. I returned the Tapes last week as they came out with the Tape Pro now.
Same. I bought them about a year ago. Without significant amplification they are an utter disappointment. I want to use them on the go. If I'm stationary I'm going to use overear headphones.
Wouldn't surprise me. The driver does get more dynamic with more umph behind the amping. But something like the ifi Zen Can amp was entirely way too much with how the P2 has been tuned. So I've been using them on my Qudelix 5K, it mitigates the 16k-ish piercing peak sound they've got going on.
Volume output will be exactly the same in any amp at the same power level. If an expensive amp will produce 80dB at 20mW for a given headphone a cheaper amp will produce the same volume at the same power. Noise is a different thing but at 80dB which is the safe listening volume and pretty loud enough you won't be able to hear noise unless the source is noisy.Amps are supposed to be transparent they merely amplify whatever the DAC produces. Expensive amps don't mean they are better . Pretty sure Zeos is listening to audio at 100+dB and his hearing is gone.
@@Weareonenation303 there were people on amazon also complaining about left or right not working at all. Kinda put me off tbh but i think it was just a batch. i really love mine as well
The way you described the sound being able to listen at high volumes without pain is exactly how my HE400i headphones sound when I crank them up with an amp
I own 2 pairs of the P1, and perfectly understand your review. Can't wait to receive the P2. I hope I won't be disappointed. Only thing I disagree is the portable thing. If they are like the P1, they need at least 200mw to properly works, so they are hard to use, but some DAP can deliver that, specially on their balanced Output. One of my P1 is plugged to a Shanling M3S, and it works great. EDIT : ok didn't heard your portable test.. 200mW are enough.
I plugged my P1 into my Feliks Audio Echo OTL tube amp yesterday for shits and giggles and...it was actually amazing. Love my P1s. Mostly use them at night in bed from a FiiO K5 Pro. Passing on the P2.?
Volume is not a good indication of the potential sound of an item. You can put the tin p1 on a cellphone and get the volume uncomfortably high. The complexity of the sound coming out of them will not be complete. The frequencies will not be complete, that's why people said the p1 was just a mid iem. You need power, more electricity to run them at full potential. So if you do not have the power, it is useless to buy them.
@@nunucheong Loudness, to a great degree, is subjective. What is loud to one person is not to another. Imagine a subwoofer that needs 5k watt to run those sub frequencies... you can put it VERY loud on less power but what will come out of it will be shit... ZERO bass, zero sub-bass...
See UUMPH is more than volume, T50rp can get loud on a phone but the highs are piercing and its bass light. Underpowering things like speakers and headphones doesn't always indicate with sheer decibels of sound. The actual shape of the sound changes once the headroom for lower frequencies is there.
My thing is, If it needs an amplifier to run, and they cost upwards of $350?.... Why wouldn't you just buy a pair of full sized headphones? The whole attraction of IEM is in that they are portable, in which you're willing to sacrifice a little "fullness" and "Soundstage" for the convenience while away from your home.
Hey Zeos I'm really interested in either the SHP9500'S or the X2HR Would you say the different in the X2HR's is worth the price or should I just go with the 9500s. i'll be using them to listen to records as well as gaming/streaming
If people creamed over the HD 600 I don't get why the P1 got so much hate. It's half the price, better mids, without the shout or veil, better treble and absolutely never fatiguing to listen to.
It's almost as if the P1s are notoriously amp picky, so people's mileage varies greatly. I'd also add that P1 not being shouty isn't necessary a good thing, especially when the P1 has such a limp pinna gain
I paid €159 for my P1, I run them balanced off an Esound ES 100Mk2 passed through to a little bear B4-X portable tube amp. If you want bass in an IEM you want the Thor Mjolnir. Hand made in small batches, pretty much a one of a kind.
Don't have issues with it. My phone is just enough to run it when the equalizer is set all up on all bars plus my Samsung has an overclocked output. With the BTR5 if my phone is maxed out it's good enough at only 20 so instead I balance the two with my phone around 60-70% with the BTR5 at 35-42.
I yearn for a device with BTR5/ES100/Qudelix 5K proportions (or at least not much bigger) that is actually powerful enough to run my DT1770's on the go. the FK is doing a decent job at it but I know they can sound even better than that. There's the Ear men Sparrow but I'd rly like to keep BT on my dongle and the sparrow doesnt have that, right? Zeos totally right on the Qudelix 5K btw, I own all three of these devices and the 5K is like a slightly more powerful BTR5 but with an even better app than the ES100.
The HUD100 MK2 may be a good choice if you don't mind using your phone's USB-C rather than bluetooth+LDAC. I can run full sized planar's like the M570 and 4XX's to decently high levels.
@@Platonic_fish this is personal tast, i prefer the Tape more then p1, plus the Tape is much easy to drive. i dont know how good the pro will be. only thing i know is P2 is definitely not worth the price. i dont want to spend money on the packaging.
Hi Zeos, du you think the Fostex HP4BL have enogh power for the P2s? For the P1s I only need Low Gain at the DAC but I´m unsure after you ´re very good video. Kind Regards from Germany :) (The ADAM Country)
since i already have a Chord Mojo and i absolutely love my Tin P1's, my aliexpress order was propably placed faster than any quick draw in a gunfight ever. Thanks.
Totally not about this video yes but I need to know. OHM walsh 2000, SVS ultra center and a definitive SC6000 sub... does that sound like a good idea? Movies and music daily in a medium room. Have a better way for me to spend around $4500?
The Tin P1's are the best IEM's I've ever heard (granted, most IEM's I've heard are total garbage). I use them regularly with my Radsone es100, balanced on high voltage, with Spinfit tips. They distort with Dragonfly Red, and with the wrong tips they lack bass. It took me maybe a full year to finally recognize how good they were, with the right amp and tips. I disagree that they have an unusual sound signature. To my ear, they sound like the T2's but more refined.
Works pretty well with the tinny HiBy R3 Pro you have reviewed 9 months ago. I’ve plugged mine directly to the BAL output on the top of that DAP and heard “angel trumpets and devil trombones”!
Tin P2, eh. For that price I expect something that makes you say WOW. Speaking of things that make you say WOW, is that the Phoenix STILL on your desk to the right? If so, that says even more than your review, which already said a lot.
Seems like if you want to use these with a phone the Earmen Sparrow would be a good choice. I like the idea of these but NOT at that price. I'm curious if planar IEMs are as EQ-able as planar headphones.
Shuoer Tape Pro with Electret driver Dynamic driver Nuff said. Or Nicehck with 4 balanced armature driver Dual centric dynamic driver Piëzo electric driver So many to choose from. And it's affordable. Must...stop...buying Ok on topic. You need proper power for IEM. Dragonfly or other dacs do not cut it. Maybe the E1DA PowerDAC v2 has enough power. You need a good clean amplifier. My classA Aune B1S or the Rupert Neve RNHP will bring IEM to their full potential. Especially the Rupert. You need proper clean power for the the P1 and P2.
The right driver in my Shuoer Tape stopped working after 2 or 3 months. Tin's are still working fine after having used them more and longer. I wont be Shuoer again, although they were pretty cool.
First versions are always prototypes. That's how Chinese factory's work. That's how they can release multiple models of IEM. Even KZ first IEM wasn't build properly. So the Pro version should be build better, but also should still be considered a prototype. I am into Electric Unicycles. These Chinese wheels...the first batch always have problems. These wheels will cost 2000 euro or more.
@@BunnyslippersEUC Ah I just looked up the Shuoer Pro's they look pretty cool. Adjustable Bass design? And looks like they swtiched to 2-pin. Probably faced more issues with their MMCX implementation. If I need new IEM's I might try them :P
@@Hatsikki I already ordered the Pro. It should ship next week. I will give feedback when I got the Tape Pro. I don't need new IEM. I still have KZ as10 and zs10. But I do not enjoy them anymore after listening to the as16. But remember Electret drivers will loose their charge. I just don't know how fast. Electrostatic drivers need to be energized everytime to get charged.
I have them and I honestly don't think he really knows what the hell he's talking about. Those adapters aren't that expensive by themselves... nor combined if you know where to look. The p2 have a pretty gnarly peak... no not just in the 8k region, a good part of that is coupler resonance. There's a 16k piercing sound, the planar pierce as I call it, I have assumptions that it's the diffuser. Per tin they suggest a dap with 500mw... powering them far too much makes the piercing sound step far too forward. It's not just me, I've been trying to figure out how to un-fuck the sound and so far it's not going very well. Qudelix 5k can power the p2's more than fine balanced out with performance mod on, and on 4vrms out (high gain). The driver is solid, there is something to love there.. but not for this price and not as it sits now.
I have a question. I always have issues with earphones tips. When I workout the tips does not go deep enough. Not even the triple flange. I got so many headphones and non have the volume that I want or the nozzle long enough. What you recommend for 200 dollars
Hello friend, could you please tell me if the dunu dk301pro is better in sound quality than the moondrop blessing2 and the Tin P2, apart from having different sound signatures? what is the in sq; thank you for your answer
The sound that you are describing. I call it the Arcus sound. If you get the chance to listen to an Arcus tl series speakers in your live, than do it. But those are vintage, like real vintage speakers so good luck.
Would these sound good with Khadas Tea? I'm looking for good IEMs for under €400 and I like good bass. Can you advice? My Khadas Tea just arrived and it would be great if it worked with it.
IEM's are not my cup of tea (don't really like to shove stuff into my ears) however I bought the Tin T2's because you recommended them and I'm very happy. I use them mostly out of the house and they're awesome. But then again you said "the only IEM's you'll ever need" which in my case seems to be true.
I actually just upgraded to the schiit Magnius and Modius to power my Tin P1, the ol fulla just didn't have the juice to push these properly, also on high gain, the magnius can get to 12oclock without a sweat. Interested in these now too damn it!
Love my Tin P1 with the BTR5, so I guess I'm getting XD-05 Plus and Tin P2. Too bad I'm going to look like a crazy person with a giant ass portable amp. Guess that's the price of decent audio.
I was wondering when these would come out. Too bad I need a 500.00 amp to run them. The word portable is becoming a thing of the past. 800.00+ for the Tin P2's and an amp with enough power to run them. For 800.00 I'm sure I can find a great pair of headphones or iem's that I can run on my iPhone or through my stereo. Wish I had that type of money during this time.
@@RYTHMICRIOT I compared the xd05 to the monoprice amp and the xd05 has roughly 3x the power at 32ohms (1W vs 320mW I think). If only the monoprice amp had a balanced output like the desktop version :/
@@tecal4 Thank you for that. I recently upgraded to a xduoo xd-05 balanced. I guess the P1's are too bright for me because they still sound too fatiguing for me.
I loved my P1's but I changed them for the Shuoer Tapes, which I love... OF COURSE, I sold the P1s without the cable muahahaha I use that cable on the Tapes...
@@westsenkovec yes 💯. Get the pros. When I need an upgrade I'll get them. Still using the tape legacy hahaha. P1s are really crisp but for an iem that you cannot use with a phone it's hard to think of using them on my desktop amp since I just can use my sennheiser hd650 or my hifiman he400i.
could you please review the SMSL SAP-1 it is a sub $100 dollar class A amp (if you get it on drop it costs $42) as far as I know it is the only class a at it's price
I think you're giving the P1s a bad rap when you seem to allude to the fact no one likes them. This isn't the case, they have a 4.7 out of 5.0 on Amazon for sound, excellent reviews on TH-cam and on Headfi forums and are generally thought of as a great IEM almost everywhere I look online.
I want to buy them, but I’m not sure if my Schiit Hel will drive them enough and I’m not willing to replace it soon, that’s probably the feeling of many. Others don’t even know they need a proper DAC/Amp and they don’t know what the hell is going on and that’s the most common problem.
@@renemonroy214 A schitt Hel will 100 percent drive the P1s. When people say they need power, they mean don't run them off a smart phone, a Schiit is perfect. I owned the P1 and they are one of the most beautiful sounding IEMs if you're listening to strings or vocals. Wouldn't use them for metal or bass heavy stuff but vocals and strings are beautifullllll.
Yeah, the thing is I’ve seen some comments that a Fulla didn’t have enough power even when it can handle 32 ohms. And here’s my conflict: in Hel the specs are at Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 1000mW RMS. While in something like a Magni the Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 2.4W RMS per channel. Would that make any difference on sound quality at all?
Z, I hope you see this. With my Archel 2.5 pro, my KZ ZS10 make the amp. freak out. what is that onoffonoffonoff, thing it's doing? Headphones are fine. With that said, did you see Headfonia, sucked the Archels 'D'. Good for Geshelli.
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Zeos r u gonna review the new blo03 mkii aka blo01 and tape pro? I feel u might’ve had an orgasm on this vid lol cheers
Will it sound good on the Liquid Spark i'm wondering
Xduoo XD-05 Plus+ :
Finally a worthy partner!
Our Pair will be LEGENDARY.
Try the Shuoer EJ07 if you want one you can turn up to 11 and have it still sound amazing.
So z, tin p2's or isine 10's?
It seems as though we feel the same on these and the OH10's, the OH10 is my go-to iem for everything. I can't find a single fault with them, not to mention iKKO sent out the bluetooth adapter as well and it doesn't make the audio suffer at all.
"Zeos! Stop turning up the volume!"
Zeos: "Don't stop me now! I'm having such a good time!"
@1:05 - the most ultra technical deep dive into dynamic driver I've ever heard.
I love my P1's with a BTR5. I bought both on your recommendation and don't regret it. I won't buy the P2's. The BTR5 is a bit bulky but I carry it everywhere, if I can't use the BTR5 with an IEM, the IEM makes no sense to me.
I got the P1 a few months ago and found them to be very amp dependent. They were detailed but not very enjoyable to me as I wanted to use them on the go more often. The only way I could enjoy them was with my Fiio K3. I returned them and got the FH3. Different iem but didn't regret the switch. Then I got the Shuoer Tape last month and I was overwhelmed by how good they sounded, while also being super efficient. I returned the Tapes last week as they came out with the Tape Pro now.
Same. I bought them about a year ago. Without significant amplification they are an utter disappointment. I want to use them on the go. If I'm stationary I'm going to use overear headphones.
@@RYTHMICRIOT Agree. I am using the FH3 and Blon BL 03 as my daily drivers now. Very satisfied.
In the words of Palpatine: "UNLTIMIED POWEEEEEERRRRRRR!!!!!"
BTR5 cant run it?
Idk I have a feeling Zeos has used headphones so loud that hes permanently damaged his hearing lol
Wouldn't surprise me. The driver does get more dynamic with more umph behind the amping. But something like the ifi Zen Can amp was entirely way too much with how the P2 has been tuned. So I've been using them on my Qudelix 5K, it mitigates the 16k-ish piercing peak sound they've got going on.
Volume output will be exactly the same in any amp at the same power level. If an expensive amp will produce 80dB at 20mW for a given headphone a cheaper amp will produce the same volume at the same power. Noise is a different thing but at 80dB which is the safe listening volume and pretty loud enough you won't be able to hear noise unless the source is noisy.Amps are supposed to be transparent they merely amplify whatever the DAC produces. Expensive amps don't mean they are better . Pretty sure Zeos is listening to audio at 100+dB and his hearing is gone.
W H A T
Wow. Is there still such ignorance?
Based on song, it can go way way over 17Watts for p1 and this p2 got bigger driver so guess how much power it needs.
Too expensive for my taste, I'm happy with my pair of Starfields that chipped paint day 1.
they are kinda garbage but they sound amazing, dont they (keep in mind i havent tried other iems yet)
That's too bad about your pair love mine have had no paint issues after months of daily and now occasional use them.
@@BillyC500 Dodgy paint job, some people have had problems with the paint coming off.
was so careful with mine, chipped while in the case.
@@Weareonenation303 there were people on amazon also complaining about left or right not working at all. Kinda put me off tbh but i think it was just a batch. i really love mine as well
Alright big question, how does the P2 compares to Isine 10/20
No idea mate
The way you described the sound being able to listen at high volumes without pain is exactly how my HE400i headphones sound when I crank them up with an amp
I love how the triangle elara fit perfectly on the shelf
I own 2 pairs of the P1, and perfectly understand your review. Can't wait to receive the P2. I hope I won't be disappointed. Only thing I disagree is the portable thing. If they are like the P1, they need at least 200mw to properly works, so they are hard to use, but some DAP can deliver that, specially on their balanced Output. One of my P1 is plugged to a Shanling M3S, and it works great. EDIT : ok didn't heard your portable test.. 200mW are enough.
I plugged my P1 into my Feliks Audio Echo OTL tube amp yesterday for shits and giggles and...it was actually amazing. Love my P1s. Mostly use them at night in bed from a FiiO K5 Pro. Passing on the P2.?
P2 should be highly recommended! Really thanks for your review!
question, do you "need" more power if you can already reach the limit of comfortable volume with headroom to spare?
Volume is not a good indication of the potential sound of an item. You can put the tin p1 on a cellphone and get the volume uncomfortably high. The complexity of the sound coming out of them will not be complete. The frequencies will not be complete, that's why people said the p1 was just a mid iem. You need power, more electricity to run them at full potential. So if you do not have the power, it is useless to buy them.
Is volume directly correlated to power?
@@nunucheong Loudness, to a great degree, is subjective. What is loud to one person is not to another. Imagine a subwoofer that needs 5k watt to run those sub frequencies... you can put it VERY loud on less power but what will come out of it will be shit... ZERO bass, zero sub-bass...
@@nunucheong so those ppl saying "I run my P1s from my cellphone and they are loud, I dunno what yall takin bout" are stupid and deaf
See UUMPH is more than volume, T50rp can get loud on a phone but the highs are piercing and its bass light. Underpowering things like speakers and headphones doesn't always indicate with sheer decibels of sound. The actual shape of the sound changes once the headroom for lower frequencies is there.
Are you gonna review Unique Melody MEST and IER Z1R ?
My thing is, If it needs an amplifier to run, and they cost upwards of $350?.... Why wouldn't you just buy a pair of full sized headphones? The whole attraction of IEM is in that they are portable, in which you're willing to sacrifice a little "fullness" and "Soundstage" for the convenience while away from your home.
IEMs just hit different, ya know?
@@ZReviews They definitely do. I mean don't get me wrong, I still like small hungry cans too.. I approve of all sizes
I love how this is what they say on the website:
> Rated power
: 5mW
> Max power: 10mW
I feel ya on the tip preference. Love my moondrop foam tips!
Hey Zeos I'm really interested in either the SHP9500'S or the X2HR Would you say the different in the X2HR's is worth the price or should I just go with the 9500s. i'll be using them to listen to records as well as gaming/streaming
If people creamed over the HD 600 I don't get why the P1 got so much hate. It's half the price, better mids, without the shout or veil, better treble and absolutely never fatiguing to listen to.
It's almost as if the P1s are notoriously amp picky, so people's mileage varies greatly. I'd also add that P1 not being shouty isn't necessary a good thing, especially when the P1 has such a limp pinna gain
I paid €159 for my P1, I run them balanced off an Esound ES 100Mk2 passed through to a little bear B4-X portable tube amp.
If you want bass in an IEM you want the Thor Mjolnir. Hand made in small batches, pretty much a one of a kind.
I love my P1's, wish they'd do a more powerful BTR5 to run them. BTR7 perhaps?!
Don't have issues with it. My phone is just enough to run it when the equalizer is set all up on all bars plus my Samsung has an overclocked output. With the BTR5 if my phone is maxed out it's good enough at only 20 so instead I balance the two with my phone around 60-70% with the BTR5 at 35-42.
I yearn for a device with BTR5/ES100/Qudelix 5K proportions (or at least not much bigger) that is actually powerful enough to run my DT1770's on the go. the FK is doing a decent job at it but I know they can sound even better than that.
There's the Ear men Sparrow but I'd rly like to keep BT on my dongle and the sparrow doesnt have that, right?
Zeos totally right on the Qudelix 5K btw, I own all three of these devices and the 5K is like a slightly more powerful BTR5 but with an even better app than the ES100.
The HUD100 MK2 may be a good choice if you don't mind using your phone's USB-C rather than bluetooth+LDAC. I can run full sized planar's like the M570 and 4XX's to decently high levels.
Did you use the p1 with the balanced output ?
@@159abdellah They get loud enough for me out 3.5mm TRS. They would def benefit from the 2.5mm TRRS though.
are these worth the purchase if i already have the P1
Meh, too much of a price increase, the Shuoer Tape Pro looks more interesting.
Shuoer Tape Pro It's impossible to compare with P2, P2 technology is obviously better.
@@baiqiangtang3311 The technology doesn't matter!🤨 The sound does, the price does, the tech doesn't at all.
@@baiqiangtang3311 no bass=better technology?🤔
I have the tin p1 and I have tried the shouer tapes. The tin p1 are definitely better than the shouer. I don't know about the pros though.
@@Platonic_fish this is personal tast, i prefer the Tape more then p1, plus the Tape is much easy to drive. i dont know how good the pro will be. only thing i know is P2 is definitely not worth the price. i dont want to spend money on the packaging.
What portable player will play these? I have the P1's and they are superb with the M11.
The HiBy R3 Pro does the job perfectly!
This is a very interesting pair!!! Love my pair, they sound pretty detailed, powerful bass, just need right amount of power thrown to them :)
Hi Zeos,
du you think the Fostex HP4BL have enogh power for the P2s? For the P1s I only need Low Gain at the DAC but I´m unsure after you ´re very good video. Kind Regards from Germany :) (The ADAM Country)
since i already have a Chord Mojo and i absolutely love my Tin P1's, my aliexpress order was propably placed faster than any quick draw in a gunfight ever. Thanks.
Gotta whip out the THX monolith portable and ifi hip dac for this bad boy
Hiby R5 can drive the P1 pretty well (balanced/hi-gain) and they're amazing pairing on the go. But 789 (balanced/hi-gain) still gives better dynamics.
Totally not about this video yes but I need to know. OHM walsh 2000, SVS ultra center and a definitive SC6000 sub... does that sound like a good idea? Movies and music daily in a medium room. Have a better way for me to spend around $4500?
The Tin P1's are the best IEM's I've ever heard (granted, most IEM's I've heard are total garbage). I use them regularly with my Radsone es100, balanced on high voltage, with Spinfit tips. They distort with Dragonfly Red, and with the wrong tips they lack bass. It took me maybe a full year to finally recognize how good they were, with the right amp and tips. I disagree that they have an unusual sound signature. To my ear, they sound like the T2's but more refined.
Z, Is the battery in your THX portable, dead all the time? I have to go usb powered when using. Will using it usb, will I be losing it any time soon?
The increase in price just doesn't warrant this change for me. I'd rather get the TAPE PROs. Seems to me like Shuoer did their run properly.
Works pretty well with the tinny HiBy R3 Pro you have reviewed 9 months ago. I’ve plugged mine directly to the BAL output on the top of that DAP and heard “angel trumpets and devil trombones”!
I wonder if my liquid spark can power them as well as it does my P1’s.
A burson playmate can run them well? I'm thinking in buy them but the thing of power is a bit of an issue
IEM's you can't run from a mobile amp. Why? Go for TAPE Pro that run from anything.
The power requirements for these blow my mind
What app do you use on your phone to store all those flac files? is it just the built in files app?
Do you mean actual storage or an app where you can see all of your music?
What's the point of an IEM that can't be driven by a portable amp?
You would be amazed at how many IEM fanatics just listen at a desk like with high end headphones
@@ZReviews Also how many professional musicians use them onstage on their own personal mixers with plenty of power.
"Jesus Christ... Of latter day saints!" :) I used to be Mormon and find that hilarious!
Jack Mo!!!
I'm a reactive member and that part was hilarious
One question: Do these make you want to listen to all of your music again?
Tin P2, eh. For that price I expect something that makes you say WOW. Speaking of things that make you say WOW, is that the Phoenix STILL on your desk to the right? If so, that says even more than your review, which already said a lot.
Did I not WOW hard enough? I know I hold back on these to not sound shilly..
@@ZReviews Kira is just egging on trying to goose your gander. We could tell your juice was running with these.
Seems like if you want to use these with a phone the Earmen Sparrow would be a good choice. I like the idea of these but NOT at that price. I'm curious if planar IEMs are as EQ-able as planar headphones.
still worth buying - KZ ZS10 PRO ? Right now own sound magic e10 and looking for an upgrade :)
what are the other iems that made it into the box? [heavy breathing intensifies]
IEM box ranking when
Thanks for the review. I have the iFi iDSD Signature, Earmen Tr-Amp and FiiO M11 Pro. Would these work on the FiiO?
Please.
Shuoer Tape Pro with
Electret driver
Dynamic driver
Nuff said.
Or Nicehck with
4 balanced armature driver
Dual centric dynamic driver
Piëzo electric driver
So many to choose from. And it's affordable. Must...stop...buying
Ok on topic.
You need proper power for IEM. Dragonfly or other dacs do not cut it. Maybe the E1DA PowerDAC v2 has enough power. You need a good clean amplifier.
My classA Aune B1S or the Rupert Neve RNHP will bring IEM to their full potential. Especially the Rupert.
You need proper clean power for the the P1 and P2.
The right driver in my Shuoer Tape stopped working after 2 or 3 months. Tin's are still working fine after having used them more and longer. I wont be Shuoer again, although they were pretty cool.
First versions are always prototypes. That's how Chinese factory's work. That's how they can release multiple models of IEM. Even KZ first IEM wasn't build properly.
So the Pro version should be build better, but also should still be considered a prototype.
I am into Electric Unicycles. These Chinese wheels...the first batch always have problems. These wheels will cost 2000 euro or more.
@@BunnyslippersEUC Ah I just looked up the Shuoer Pro's they look pretty cool. Adjustable Bass design? And looks like they swtiched to 2-pin. Probably faced more issues with their MMCX implementation.
If I need new IEM's I might try them :P
@@Hatsikki
I already ordered the Pro. It should ship next week. I will give feedback when I got the Tape Pro. I don't need new IEM. I still have KZ as10 and zs10. But I do not enjoy them anymore after listening to the as16.
But remember Electret drivers will loose their charge. I just don't know how fast. Electrostatic drivers need to be energized everytime to get charged.
@@BunnyslippersEUC i bought the tri I 3
I have them and I honestly don't think he really knows what the hell he's talking about. Those adapters aren't that expensive by themselves... nor combined if you know where to look.
The p2 have a pretty gnarly peak... no not just in the 8k region, a good part of that is coupler resonance. There's a 16k piercing sound, the planar pierce as I call it, I have assumptions that it's the diffuser.
Per tin they suggest a dap with 500mw... powering them far too much makes the piercing sound step far too forward. It's not just me, I've been trying to figure out how to un-fuck the sound and so far it's not going very well. Qudelix 5k can power the p2's more than fine balanced out with performance mod on, and on 4vrms out (high gain).
The driver is solid, there is something to love there.. but not for this price and not as it sits now.
Damn you, I'm using the P1 right now.
Don't fret, it's probably better than the P2.
I have a question. I always have issues with earphones tips. When I workout the tips does not go deep enough. Not even the triple flange. I got so many headphones and non have the volume that I want or the nozzle long enough. What you recommend for 200 dollars
Hello friend, could you please tell me if the dunu dk301pro is better in sound quality than the moondrop blessing2 and the Tin P2, apart from having different sound signatures? what is the in sq; thank you for your answer
Watching this video with my P1's
The sound that you are describing. I call it the Arcus sound. If you get the chance to listen to an Arcus tl series speakers in your live, than do it. But those are vintage, like real vintage speakers so good luck.
So smth like Hiby R6 2020 would be too weak for them?
Can q5s run these?
12:43 Nice face reveal
I'm 90% sure zeos is jewish
I don't think he cares anymore lol
You must be new around here
I didn't see any emojis but that title is pretty hype
Hiii. What are the other headphones in the box?
I really want to know too
ThieAudio cable for the Monarchs and Clairvoyance are on of the best cables for $70!
Would these sound good with Khadas Tea?
I'm looking for good IEMs for under €400 and I like good bass. Can you advice? My Khadas Tea just arrived and it would be great if it worked with it.
Is it better than fiio fd5 ?
Is the Fiio M11 powerful enough for these?
Nope. Fiio M15 is probably OK.
It is...I own both. Normal gain I'm at 63/64 volume and I listen to metal. That's enough volume for me and plenty loud.
IEM's are not my cup of tea (don't really like to shove stuff into my ears) however I bought the Tin T2's because you recommended them and I'm very happy. I use them mostly out of the house and they're awesome. But then again you said "the only IEM's you'll ever need" which in my case seems to be true.
Kz 10 pros are amazing, I have the T2 but keep falling back to the kz
Will a Astell Kann Cube have enough power for these? Thanks
I actually just upgraded to the schiit Magnius and Modius to power my Tin P1, the ol fulla just didn't have the juice to push these properly, also on high gain, the magnius can get to 12oclock without a sweat. Interested in these now too damn it!
So the Hel won’t be able to drive the P1 either? I have the Hel and was considering to get the P1 :/
Got these and am impressed
Monogatari figures in the background? based
Love my Tin P1 with the BTR5, so I guess I'm getting XD-05 Plus and Tin P2. Too bad I'm going to look like a crazy person with a giant ass portable amp. Guess that's the price of decent audio.
Got mine today and wow, they are wow!
I was wondering when these would come out. Too bad I need a 500.00 amp to run them. The word portable is becoming a thing of the past. 800.00+ for the Tin P2's and an amp with enough power to run them. For 800.00 I'm sure I can find a great pair of headphones or iem's that I can run on my iPhone or through my stereo. Wish I had that type of money during this time.
Xduoo xd05 plus run them just fine
Would a Hiby R5 Saber power these properly ?
Why is Yoko's future tragic? IMO just bittersweet having found a more peaceful life
A Fiio KA3 runs them?
I have a monolith portable thx aaa, does that have enough power?
I have the same question.
The Xduoo xd-05 Plus does which I have but it's such a massive pocket brick. I'd hardly call that portable.
@@RYTHMICRIOT I compared the xd05 to the monoprice amp and the xd05 has roughly 3x the power at 32ohms (1W vs 320mW I think). If only the monoprice amp had a balanced output like the desktop version :/
Yes it has enough power....I use this P1 and the monolith portable thx aaa often.
@@tecal4 Thank you for that. I recently upgraded to a xduoo xd-05 balanced. I guess the P1's are too bright for me because they still sound too fatiguing for me.
I loved my P1's but I changed them for the Shuoer Tapes, which I love... OF COURSE, I sold the P1s without the cable muahahaha I use that cable on the Tapes...
Do you prefer the tape? I was thinking about getting the tape pro
@@westsenkovec yes 💯. Get the pros. When I need an upgrade I'll get them. Still using the tape legacy hahaha. P1s are really crisp but for an iem that you cannot use with a phone it's hard to think of using them on my desktop amp since I just can use my sennheiser hd650 or my hifiman he400i.
Recommendation for IEM for gaming?
could you please review the SMSL SAP-1 it is a sub $100 dollar class A amp (if you get it on drop it costs $42) as far as I know it is the only class a at it's price
The P2 any good with the Lotto PAW 6000?
What about P2 plus reviews
I think you're giving the P1s a bad rap when you seem to allude to the fact no one likes them. This isn't the case, they have a 4.7 out of 5.0 on Amazon for sound, excellent reviews on TH-cam and on Headfi forums and are generally thought of as a great IEM almost everywhere I look online.
I want to buy them, but I’m not sure if my Schiit Hel will drive them enough and I’m not willing to replace it soon, that’s probably the feeling of many. Others don’t even know they need a proper DAC/Amp and they don’t know what the hell is going on and that’s the most common problem.
@@renemonroy214 A schitt Hel will 100 percent drive the P1s. When people say they need power, they mean don't run them off a smart phone, a Schiit is perfect.
I owned the P1 and they are one of the most beautiful sounding IEMs if you're listening to strings or vocals. Wouldn't use them for metal or bass heavy stuff but vocals and strings are beautifullllll.
Yeah, the thing is I’ve seen some comments that a Fulla didn’t have enough power even when it can handle 32 ohms. And here’s my conflict: in Hel the specs are at Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 1000mW RMS. While in something like a Magni the Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 2.4W RMS per channel. Would that make any difference on sound quality at all?
How well would a Massdrop THX 789 amp drive these?
I'm still on my NFB-11: would you think that would work if I decided to pull the trigger?
Any chance of reviewing NF Audio NA2?
Where can I get that case that his iems are stored?
Looks like a watch case
Ifi micro black label 4 watts on turbo can power them also
I'm new to channel you have great reviews can you review monster 24k headphones I no not main stream but I think they awesome .
Interesting. I bailed on the P1 after drop extended it for another month. Was interested until i saw the price.
When the Shuoer pro review???
nice seeing an IEM review in the new apartment
Z, I hope you see this. With my Archel 2.5 pro, my KZ ZS10 make the amp. freak out. what is that onoffonoffonoff, thing it's doing? Headphones are fine. With that said, did you see Headfonia, sucked the Archels 'D'. Good for Geshelli.
Try plugging in just the wire with no IEMS then add each IEM and see when the freakout starts.
Would you recommend these for a Hiby R5
yeah that thing has the same power as the Xduoo
@@ZReviews ok great thanks im getting one soon that and an MX3 for my desk haha
Dear Z, Yes...Cars or Bicycles time. Tin P2 or Fiio FH7?
[$100 Diff. Not the issue]. Best, D. From, Stl.
@Z Reviews - So, like 1W+ RMS output for an amp?... Now I have to go listen to The Fixx
Would a Q5s push em?
Pretty sure he just referred to Queen as Bohemian Rhapsody.....
Zeos you NEED to get your hands on a Sony IER-M9. BA gods!
One thing leads to another is a good song too!