Fairie Fire is much better. When you lay down the harass and keep them away so early during the laning phase, healing items become a waste, since most heroes can't do diddly squat at lv 3.
watch them patch this faster than the bs with ironwood treant on NP because 250 extra gold is more dangerous than afk farm for 25 lvls using global tp and full map farm capabilities to oneshot ancient
Hey i really liked the explanation at 13:30, this is good because you guys do alot of advanced things that we newbies didn't even catch. As always, good video and thanks.
It's mostly just making lane dominators even stronger. Sniper and Lina are big lane dominators so they can shut down enemy mid with earlier timing and now enemy team is almost always guaranteed to basically 4v5 since their mid got shut down. Downside of this is going late since you have an alch and now your team is doing the 5v4+punching bag and enemy mid probably recover if late enough
Ah this one feels a bit of a bug abuse not an actual strat like veno and visage. Just because swapping back and forth doesn't seem intended, alch should have the gold and not other heroes since his design is made to need more items.
I'm not sure if having 250 extra starting gold is overpowered. In ability draft, you can pick chemical rage on sniper (with his innate and everything). It gives you greed passive with it. And also, you become unkillable after you press R. The game is still playable though. Not strong enough to call gg.
@@berryesseen its not like you can take first blood in every single game? that 250 gold is an advantage already, buying that many stats in 0 minute against a mid player with 600 gold only is a huge gap already
@@berryesseenyou're clearly low mmr, first not seeing how HUGE 250 starting gold is, then comparing it to ability draft... 250 starting gold can definitely create a gap on the midlane, that if abused properly can make the midlaner snowball extremely hard. You mentionned first blood, let me tell you that when I'm mid at 6k mmr, and my mid opponent gets FB on a teammate, and brings a bottle very early, you are absolutely DONE, because he will just push you out the lane before the first water rune spawn, and since he prevented you to farm you dont have bottle at 2mn so you get a naked water rune, while he gets 2 more bottle charges, and then you're absolutely done mid, there's no recovering without ganks most of the time.
Is this actually better than just getting a bottle for your mid? Free bottle feels really good especially since you can really control early water rune
Seems it, though I'm not sure if the Alchemist still gets the gold. If he doesn't, this still seems 'balanced' in some sense, but it's definitely dubious. Hope it gets fixed, becasue it doesn't seem right.
@@Sandesnor2 It hasn't been years, it's been since this facet existed. There's no chance this is intended, it'll be fixed esp now that this video is out.
Kinda? But at the same time, it's not an unsurmountable advantage like all the midas bugs. But, it'll probably get fixed since it's only so long until someone discovers a hero where having 850 starting gold is completely, and uttely busted.
The overworked janitor/developer guy at Valve after seeing this: 😐
After the midas bugs too xd
This one is a pretty easy fix, just make swapping clear inventory and give their would be default starting gold
Developer : ok put in on bug list and set priority as it long list, lol
@@yt-lh8kk Depending on how the groundworks of dota are programmed this might not be an easy fix at all.
@@Joyexer that is true, maybe I'm speaking too naively from my little experience with OOP, even though I haven't code for quite some time already.
its like getting +200 bonus gold for randoming a hero in pre fairie fire + mango nerf except now u get an extra branch
While having to match the lineup
Pretty much the random bounty on a non-random hero. Kinda busted.
doing this against Puck is brutal
Bro is playing turbo in normal match 💀
Yeah, but the trade off is that you have an Alche in your team.
alche can jump in first and make space for shniper to shoot, not bad actually
buy agh too
noob dint know alch is good support
Some guy picked Alch 5 with my CK the other day, never shit on a lane harder, stacking -armour + stuns + reality rift them back into the acid
If this trick makes valve remove swapping heroes when inside the game, i am gonna fkin cry i will not be able to borrow good sets 😢😢
3-0 then "i lived, trust" and 4-1. hahaha
trust me, really
How dare you. This is inflammatory. Someone else definitely died😂
Just a bug bruv
Literally no one :
Some random dude : nice cleave😮
@ 14:00 "Timber cannot deal with this shit" - cut to a loss🤣
i came to comments to see this xD
@@MOHDANAS-jo6wu me too😅
You can actually do this without buying anything pre swap, I did it by accident in a game yesterday.
Are you planning to do videos with weird Deadlock builds, too?
3rd game got sweaty af. I long for those kind of game once in a while
9:37 moonshard has global cast range btw (no idea why tbh)
Patched in 3... 2.. 1...
The best way to patch this gold bug is just change Alchemist facet into a new one
All items bought will be sold without penalty during the Hero Swap would be closer I think.
I mean if they make it so items don't swap when you swap heroes, that would be an easy fix I think
@@tylerfisk9804 That is what is actually happening right now. they abused it by having alche +250, buy items, swap. items are retained.
POV:you just port back a thing from Dota allstars.
Fairie Fire is much better. When you lay down the harass and keep them away so early during the laning phase, healing items become a waste, since most heroes can't do diddly squat at lv 3.
1 more branch is 1 more attack speed tho
latterly "i lived, trust " 4-1 😂
The only one and also the biggest problem with this strat: u cant use it in a competitive match. Swapping heroes counts ur team an instant losing game
Wth did you saying me and my friends swapping hero really often and this not auto lose
@@gremlin3970 do-u-rly-understand-what-is-a-competitive-match?? :D ??
@@haphuongnam8216 where you can get and lose you're mmr
Yeah try to abuse bugs in a pro match and see what happens
@@haphuongnam8216 oh sorry i do not understanded that you saying competitive mean "on pro scene" eah of course you cant abuse bugs
Nice detail with the more festival esque music in the Ringmaster game.
Datoh thx for ur creative game design abuse ideas. Keep on enjoying life n dota.
-❤ from malaysian dota addict
that last team gave a really good fight kudos for them
swift blink, butterfly, daedalus, hurricane pike, mkb, mjollnir or gleipnir
another pure genius game play and plan mate
man ur content is pure gold level. right now to me is the BEST on the dotes scene.
this one has gotten me laughing out loud! you're awesome ^^
The lina battles were super destructive, too much chaos emitted.
I get that this is for content but it’s won because of matchup and what happened early 😅
shniper this patch wins every matchup, the bonus gold really helps with early solo kill
bro threw the worst possible shrapnel
14:00 I saw that 😂
23/4/8
DL: "timber also cannot win this ah"
Timber's team: 14:00
😘
watch them patch this faster than the bs with ironwood treant on NP because 250 extra gold is more dangerous than afk farm for 25 lvls using global tp and full map farm capabilities to oneshot ancient
last game was really fun, good job
But, you can give bottle to your mid and your mid can buy all stats item so you kinda have 1.2k gold as a mid...
He's back.
WOW Biggest of brains
Hey i really liked the explanation at 13:30, this is good because you guys do alot of advanced things that we newbies didn't even catch.
As always, good video and thanks.
bro's ping is crazy
I don't think that do much. I think because of yo skill and re-work sniper.
It's mostly just making lane dominators even stronger. Sniper and Lina are big lane dominators so they can shut down enemy mid with earlier timing and now enemy team is almost always guaranteed to basically 4v5 since their mid got shut down. Downside of this is going late since you have an alch and now your team is doing the 5v4+punching bag and enemy mid probably recover if late enough
@@Mukatsuku-mu3bk thats right, any lane dominator with +250 gold is so unfair.
Dotacinema has his eyes on you :)
I legit think this may be strong on sniper pos 4. Hes a good snowball sup anyway (in both directions sadly 😅)
yeah, but even if you lose lane you still have damage in form of spells. slowly buy utility items. no need for right-click.
bro u are in dotacinema hahahaha
Why not deso first or second item?
Why do u have to swap in picking phase then reswap in game??cant u skip the 1st swap??
Not a bug, 100% intended
dude, your gameplay for this strat appear in Dota Cinema channel xD
imagine stacking in a game with an enemy alchemist
Just spam all 3 scatter to burst rather than slow!
This would be great with LoneDruid 3 slot facet
That poor Puck
my sea rank won't work even if they have rapier as a starting item
So... Where is the skin?
Holy. Must try!!
so did you get the mcdonald from the previous video?
not yet :(
@@datohleonggez but your mcdonald video disappear lmao
wait, is this some glitch that's gonna get patched?
How can you activate the shop keybinds? 1:35
would have been more interesting to see this with non favorable match ups. I mean sniper always trashed puck in lane.
Funny nonetheless.
Is this work in turbo,gonna try
Bro is playing turbo
need a warning note: only works in stacks
ld would have been a good hero with this strat
Something is gonna nerf next Patch
DATOHLEONG famous last word "i survive trust "
isnt this just sniper but with free first blood?
Another sniperrr game.. ahahahahahahaah chao hai hahaha
7:26 Reported rubick
dotown song referenced xD
Marketing vs Reality 13:55
Ah this one feels a bit of a bug abuse not an actual strat like veno and visage. Just because swapping back and forth doesn't seem intended, alch should have the gold and not other heroes since his design is made to need more items.
how about use it in tournament?
MK's profile ftw.
I'm not sure if having 250 extra starting gold is overpowered. In ability draft, you can pick chemical rage on sniper (with his innate and everything). It gives you greed passive with it. And also, you become unkillable after you press R. The game is still playable though. Not strong enough to call gg.
you seriously compare that to an aility draft game?
@@ArariaKAgelessTraveller just 250 gold bro. having a first blood is worth more.
@@berryesseen its not like you can take first blood in every single game? that 250 gold is an advantage already, buying that many stats in 0 minute against a mid player with 600 gold only is a huge gap already
you talking weird
@@berryesseenyou're clearly low mmr, first not seeing how HUGE 250 starting gold is, then comparing it to ability draft...
250 starting gold can definitely create a gap on the midlane, that if abused properly can make the midlaner snowball extremely hard.
You mentionned first blood, let me tell you that when I'm mid at 6k mmr, and my mid opponent gets FB on a teammate, and brings a bottle very early, you are absolutely DONE, because he will just push you out the lane before the first water rune spawn, and since he prevented you to farm you dont have bottle at 2mn so you get a naked water rune, while he gets 2 more bottle charges, and then you're absolutely done mid, there's no recovering without ganks most of the time.
dtl goated ❤
What is dotahleong's nationality?
I lived 3-0 become 4-1
Is this actually better than just getting a bottle for your mid? Free bottle feels really good especially since you can really control early water rune
Bottle is better for heroes like Lina, but heroes who cant really abuse bottle like Sniper, OD etc would prefer spending on stats.
17:54 nICE ~
Why TI nobody uses this?
Apakah video ini tidak ada suaranya?
เจอตี้ไทย พระถัง timber ตบไปดี้
they should nerf that freaking facet sniper, too op have 3 charge, should only 1 if player pick that facet zzz
insaneeee !
yoo this is illegal
So it's a bug abuse?
Seems it, though I'm not sure if the Alchemist still gets the gold.
If he doesn't, this still seems 'balanced' in some sense, but it's definitely dubious.
Hope it gets fixed, becasue it doesn't seem right.
How is this a bug. Swapping characters always worked like that
@@Gans848 So you're saying this is an intended feature and not just something that hasn't been fixed in years?
@@Sandesnor2 It hasn't been years, it's been since this facet existed.
There's no chance this is intended, it'll be fixed esp now that this video is out.
Kinda? But at the same time, it's not an unsurmountable advantage like all the midas bugs. But, it'll probably get fixed since it's only so long until someone discovers a hero where having 850 starting gold is completely, and uttely busted.
i guess auto ban alchemist now
careful with bug abuse
HOTDOG
Love your videos but it's too long wait. 2 videos per week pls
YOUR KEYBINDINGS ARE CAUSING BRAIN DAMAGE HELP!
Slave alche
Sadly not solo que viable
this is sad la XD
Are u zeomatt professional food eater?? Your voice same as hin
0:50
its gonna be patched soon lmao, too illegal
TI carry players : look at what they do to mimic a fraction of our power!
😍😍😍
ayyyyyyyyyy
Copying goodwin strategic
second and no one will care
Patched
Dislike for playing Sniper mid
early
first!