Don't know if the former members have initiated anything. We have a saying in German, "Where there's no plaintiff, there's no judge." I only found a single report by one paper and a handful larger newspapers reporting about that report. Seems like they're still under the radar and will continue to do so
@@PropaneWP Could be edgy but also right, unfortunately people get away with crime way more than we want to admit, especially organize crimes are very hard to pin down and charge properly.
@@LeiCal69 Have you ever imagined what it would be like without any laws? Take a look at a country like Somalia to get an idea. A country's quality of living is closely tied to the fairness of it's laws and the amount of corruption. To say that failure to enforce existing laws or a weak judicial system equals the concept of justice to be weak is a false equivalence.
@@PropaneWP Somalia does have laws. It is not in a state of anarchy, the real power in the country is just not held by the federal government, but by the clans, as has been the case for most of Somalia's history.
I am currently in the process of leaving a self-help program with many cult-like qualities. I've spent a number of years being gaslit into thinking if I leave, my life will fall apart. The hardest part has been genuine friendships with people in the program who will continue to buy into it, my personal relations are very entangled with them and the prospect of beginning a new life and building friendships outside is difficult. Kira I really appreciate this video, seeing a true cult that's way more extreme than what I've been involved in has helped temper my anger.
I teach spirituality and cults are so easily bought into. Any group offering you something you don’t have, rules, or rituals are lying. Real spirituality is to gain nothing
Oof that can't be good Starship Troopers at least the film is a Satire of Far Right politics, unlike the Book which is more a conventional War Novel set in Space with of its time themes (as in Anti-Communism and Pro US interventionsm)
I just lost my real friend to a real life cult a few weeks back. Had a whole fight and everything. But he's so damn deep into it that I just gave up on him after 8 years of knowing the guy. He even thinks I am the enemy. but at some point you can't die for these people and have to let them make their mistakes and learn from it. I'm done putting my ass on the line for him.
"Don't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm" - some guy Sometimes you just have to let people go because you cannot help people that do not want help.
@@minitureoc9333 I did a mutual friend of ours who isn't in one. But he cut of ties with him too. That what a cult is, it demand absolutely loyalty. Worst part is he is the one that started it in the first place. He's lost his mind and unlike this video. He is the victim of his own madness, quit his job, abandoned his home, health, fiance and everything. Its also growing which doesn't help him, since he surrounds himself with others who are also batshit crazy. I even tried his parents and couldn't get thought. Infact I do any more and they will retaliate and come after me which I don't care but I will needlessly bring trouble on myself for now result. So I just stopped. I used to think this shit is funny. Until it happened to me. And watching him burn himself up I know better than to bring popcorn. Can't even believe it's a thing that isn't just in movies, but can happen to anyone these days. Its also do bizzare you talk to him and it's about angles and demons and warfare and other crap. There's no reasoning with him. He's also said he's died physically and retured back due to a bad heart and still refuses treatment for it. Says some spiritual entity brought him back to his body and gave him a mission. Now he calls himself king, found some queen and even has knights and a whole round table. Lives off the funding of some rich people too. Probably everyone taking advantage of his insanity and worth thing is they will soon take advantage of innocents. The whole thing is loony. Nothing else to describe it. All you can do it stay far far away from it and hope people aren't stupid enough to join the cause but people always are. I'm still baffled they have some 15 members already, I was told they reserved a seat. Hearing that I knew it was high time to run away. Not even for all the money in the world will I do it. Because I have seen first hand it destroying him, you can sure get money or raise an army, get followed whatever you call it. But being in one will absolutely destory. Only reason somepeople get into it is to take advantage of others like this video. Otherwise you are victim or crazy. That's about it.
Same thing happened to me and my TWIN SISTER. Yup my real twin sister! She’s so brainwashed. It’s scary to talk to her. I don’t recognize her at all! Everything is “god god god. Church church church”. I cut off ties with her and haven’t spoken to her in 2 and a half year. Shiit is crazy.
I live in Florida near the main headquarters for the Church of Scientology. Those are some freaky people. It's not the members that you have to be weary of, it's the security teams that follow high ranking members, or those that are in the process of joining who aren't super famous, but are on their way. These guys train at expensive ranges, take advanced classes in protection work, take sharpshooter/sniper classes, and are taught guerilla warfare techniques. Word gets around among the shooting community who these guys are and what they do. They are the absolute devout. The lowly recruits are harmless and usually nice, albeit weird. The security and high level people are the dangerous cult leaders
@@clownworld4655 Good thing the feds are keeping an eye on these dangerous armed religious fanatics. Haha jk they're too busy grooming mentally ill teens on discord.
@@kavky honestly that’s more concerning. This dude sounds like a suburban Karen whining about some trained and armed guys. A shit ton of people are trained and armed that they don’t know about
Slightly unrelated but the main HQ of Scientology isn't in Florida, it's in California, a resort-turned-religious-compund near San Jacinto named "Gold Base". Very creepy place, a public highway cuts the place in two so you could drive through the compound (if you wanted to).
I know a woman who just left a cult. She’s super nice and fun and just has great energy. I’m highly surprised she fell into one because she’s just seems like such a free thinker. Well, apparently that free thinking is what got her kicked out. She’s now in therapy trying to unlearn all the cult propaganda. I hope she writes a book because she’s really a great person and it gives ppl some perspective on how really anyone can fall into a cult.
cults go after people with deeply rooted unresolved issues. people who are depressed or desperate are easy targets for example. sometimes the people who are often too happy are the ones who have more internal issues to resolve and put out a funny and happy exterior to hide their issues and pain. robin williams is a great example. he was always happy and had great energy, but was going through things no one else saw. the woman you know might have been similar at the time, found the cult, they saw through it and exploited her weakness. glad she made it out.
its a fatal mistake to think intelligence will protect you from cult indoctrination. they prey not on stupidity (though it can help) but on insecurity. fear, guilt, shame, loneliness - cults will promise to give you an answer and a cure to what ails your spirit. even the smartest person can be wounded inside, and cult leaders can smell that like sharks smell blood.
You'll laugh but I once left a martial arts club because it was showing weird cult-like behavior that led to robbing their loyal members to give them all their money. Just to buy their club's drinks and clothes and expensive courses to advance in the overall program. You weren't allowed to bring your own water/drink into the training hall - you had to buy their drinks or else you'd have to leave the room and drink alone in the locker rooms (which I did), not knowing when the training would continue. You also weren't allowed to wear your own training clothes but had to buy their stuff (because they wanted us all to "look united). No matter how long you've been in the club, you would only ever learn the next, higher-up fighting techniques if you took part in a weekend-long, super expensive course, that also included meeting their master. Speaking of which, at the beginning of each session we had to group up in front of a photo of said master and bow our heads to him (which I never did because why would I). They preyed on simple-minded people who relied on tight group structures and communal support. When I said that I'll end the contract, the team leader sat me down for a 1:1 talk, which was kinda arranged like a police hearing. Well, I stood my ground and got out but BOY this was a weird experience.
My dad bounced between a few gyms during the pandemic trying to find one he liked. Like 3 crossfit knockoff gyms came off as lower-key versions of that. Really weird how many "self improvement" activities get wrapped up in scams and ego.
My (ex)wife cheated on me with her martial arts instructor(s) around the time I noticed her studio was getting kinda culty. I now think that's what was going on, especially after speaking with others involved. It's not isolated!
Lololololololol reading your experience brought back memories of goofy experiences that really gets shrugged off when whoever is trying to abuse you realizes that you're not desperate for them or anything that they have to offer. Often times, these types want others to need them and look up to them (whatever they're saying and claiming. Most young people don't have friends or random associates, so preying on them in ways to make them feel relevant often times work.
@@nfldend501 no one really goes to clubs for all that. That probably came to be that way around 2010 or so because I've always went to clubs and never felt the oddness that most high end clubs now have. Prior to 2010, you could literally come and go without talking to no one (maybe every now and again, shoot the breeze with whatever familiar staff member or someone in the sauna) without anyone trying to introduce you to this and that.
Making up a specific vocab like this group's "Unglish" is a pretty common cult tactic. It's a way of ostracizing their followers from society by making them unrelatable to people outside the cult, making it harder to leave.
I wonder if it's always intentionally for that purpose, or if it starts out more benign. Do they start out trying to separate themselves out of a desire to be unique, or is it a concerted effort to control people from the beginning?
I believe a civil suit for "emotional distress" would be a decent way to destroy this group. The founders would probably would not comply with the legal system and would be jailed for contempt.
It's actually really sad that people give their hard earned money to these psychopaths. More and more people should realize that mental health is just as important as physical health. What a disgusting couple of people I hope they get what's coming to them....
Why? Non-aggressive cults have always been a boon to the society for hundreds of years separating respectable members of the society from the complete idiots. You are wrong to think that it's the society's responsibility to care for these idiots. These days more and more public funding are going to waste on these idiots instead of covering the physical and mental healthcare for hard-working men and women who actually risk their limbs and lives contributing something to the society. Thanks to this cult recruiting idiots online and make them do stupid stuff so it's a little easier for healthy people of society to identify these idiots and avoid them in the future. Ordinary person is not going to fall for this cult bullshite that's certain. After all it's more efficient to bait a trap and catch multiple pesky flies in one go rather than go about swatting them one by one.
Idiots or people who have mental health issues. Either way someone is the victim here and it's unfortunate. People can become vulnerable when they hit rock bottom.
It's crazy to see this saga get wider attention the past couple years. It was such a constant on certain corners of Facebook circa 2016 - 2019. If you were in these circles you would frequently get multiple paragraph long DMs from members asking for donations, very similar to the copypasta post at 19:39. It became a bit of a running joke that you weren't a "real artist" unless you had been solicited by a daylife army member. In the end it was all just very sad, seeing some ppl I knew/met get sucked down the rabbit hole in real time, destroy their lives, friendships, and potential careers. Considering Koa's siblings both being prominent in music, another odd connection is D'jesus' dad is the former ceo and current chairman of the ayn rand institute, which doesn't reflect his personal views as far as I know, as they are very much estranged, but is still kind of a funny link.
This was very informative and I appreciate your sympathetic approach to the victims of cults. Many folks are looking for something better than our messed up world and it makes them vulnerable to wanting to belong as you said. If people want to dive into some history, I recommend the Heaven's Gate podcast.
Many of the cult leaders though kind of get sucked into the loop themselves. They don't start off with bad intentions and some genuinely just want to be with others like them and nothing more. However as they gain power and as they keep being encouraged by their followers and rewarded for extreme and crazy things it goes further and further. Lying to yourself and others also just becomes part of the routine and if you repeat a lie often enough you will start to believe it no matter how absurd it seemed at first. A cult very often is a viscous cycle of followers and leaders egging each other on and things just spiraling out of control.
@@MrMarinus18 "Many of the cult leaders though kind of get sucked into the loop themselves" They get sucked into the loop they created for themselves, by which they receive all the benefits and none of the drawbacks? How awfully convenient. I just don't buy it for a second. Victim roles are reserved for the ones being abused, not the ones that are doing the abusing. For you to suggest otherwise is already sick enough. What you wanna try next, to justify Heaven's Gate? Jonestown? Charles Manson? Come on now, time to get real again.
@@MrYelly I'm not saying it to get them sympathy, I'm just trying to dispel the idea they are some kind of evil genius. They are just as unhinged as their followers and they also aren't really in control of it. Sure they give the instructions but they are forced by soft powers to do a very narrow set of things. They like to feel the cult is under their control but in reality it isn't really. Jonestown actually is the perfect example of what I mean. Jim Jones kind of got sucked into the whole cult himself. He wasn't any more sane or in control than anyone else was. Cults are not like the financial scams also featured on the channel. Those are done very deliberately by crafty people. Cults aren't that structured or controlled. Nobody is really in control of a cult.
@@MrYelly Understanding why things happen is not the same as justifying them. Many cult leaders especially the infamous Jim Jones were abused, humiliated and neglected growing up. This is what set them up to be as evil as they were cause it made their self-worth extremely low. Low self-worth can very easily shoot into arrogance when they are given the vindication and approval they crave. Many cult leaders also grew up very lonely which was even more true for Jim Jones which caused him to try to bind his followers to him as strongly as possible. You shouldn't think Cult leaders are some anonymous villain. They are people too. The main reason what makes them turn so evil is the unchecked intoxicating power they have. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the more isolated a cult becomes the more the cult leader feels empowered and the more insane they become. If you take a closer look at the regulations for priests you can see almost all of them are made to avoid exactly this. With Christianity for example it is stressed extremely heavily that priests only convey the word of god, they are not divine themselves.
@@MrMarinus18 I truely think you got it the other way around. Only cultists would ever believe their leader to be more than human, that argument doesn't have to be made here. The insanity of a cult revolves around the inherent insanity of their leader. This is not just subjective bias, but how american state and law handles such topics, as due to this psychological nature of cults. (One receiving the benefits and calling the shots) Charles Manson never killed anyone, directly or personally. But his influence indirectly caused the deaths of 9 people, for which he originally got sentenced to death, but later reverted to a lifetime in prison. In any other context, this would have been not-done. But such is the nature of cults. Many of the followers of Jonestown did not want to go along with the very last act, yet they were forced to, on command of their leader. That included children. 909 lives, just gone. When sweet promises no longer work, their hand turns to manipulation and totalitarian abuse. If you happen to declare yourself a god-like being of divine degree and exert this delusion over weak-willed or vulnerable individuals, it is a far step away from diminishing any of that personal responsibility, as if you were just there along the crowd. In your world view, Hitler would just have been another legally elected politician. And that is just a few tads too simple if you ask me.
People should know the tactics of cults and stories of victims We must combat these harmful delusional people trapping vulnerable people Great work kira
You laugh but that's basically what gay conversion camps do in reverse. Well... that and massive abuse of people until they have an emotional breakdown.
Cults are so scary. I've lost a couple of friends to them. All one can do, really, is to try to be there for them, letting them know that if and when they muster the courage to leave, they'll always have a safe harbour to come to.
@@burrybondz225 It's not that hard to imagine, because there are a lot of cults out there. Note that I'm not defining only the obscure ones as cults. Even comparably "normal" organisations like Jehova's Witnesses are cults according to me. So, my friends who are in cults are all in different ones from eachother. Some in larger ones, like JW, and others in smaller and more obscure ones.
@@oliver_twistor I don't know much about JW. I personally only consider clear pay to ascend , and organizations that scam their followers (or kills by suicide) to be cults or push them into crime. if my friend became a buddhist I wouldn't consider him a cultist and I personally wouldn't worry about his immediate future. On the other hand if he started saying judgement day is coming 13 april 2030 and he locks himself in his room, or if he started selling his body to pay higher ups then I would be very concerned.
@@burrybondz225 It can easily get way worse depending on where you live, some regions have way more cults than others. Pure luck of the dice how many you end up running into during your low points.
I'm an artist and I have a very small presence... I've tried social media 3 times, rebranding because of a stalker, but stalkers are not the only people trying to win my trust: scammers, incompetent game designers, cult recruiters, lonely losers and many types of predators are always looking. Social media is a dangerous place to put your hopes and dreams... and every kid has access to it.
Im in that boat. Ive made some cool friends because of it but learned to build a mote between myself and the audience and kept as much personal information private as humanly possible.
A guy who has a podcast on here and everywhere else DMd me one day to initiate a relationship & long story short 3 years later I’m broke & my life has been ruined because he was constantly begging me for money pretending to love me. Don’t trust anyone not even people you watch & think you know.
Same, had my work stolen by VICE/VICELAND, Buzzfeed, numerous Music Artists.. and when I tell ppl this “I’m Crazy” and a “Clout Chaser” it’s so disheartening
This is pure evil INSANITY!! Oh I feel so bad for Mathew; I hope he heals from all the trauma. He is brave for finally getting out and speaking his truth. My God! Some human beings don't deserve to be called human at all. Infuriating & sad....
Yooo nice my recommendation!! This one's a deep cut, can't wait to watch what you did with it. My friends and myself, involved in nightlife/DJing, were directly harassed by one of the members (he appears in a few of these clips and his long ramblings appear near the end) years back with the "buying back your soul" scheme. There's also a fair chance Kira will be harassed by them if they're still about that life. They are trolls.
Daylife Jesus dude right? Yeah he was going by something like Ezekiel or some shit back then I think? Yeah they had a big push on wfb a few years back now we're everyone was spammed with that dumb chain message scheme. Sorry your friends were harassed and intimidated. Yeah they follow scientologist 'ATTACK-MODE' strategy if you badmouth them. They will have already learned about this vid coz all they do is monitor social media. That's literally it.
@@nevadatan7323 I knew him by Edaan at the time. he actually posted a video "reacting" to this doc and it's super boring lol. he spammed it as a reply to a bunch of comments here including this one.
"Let's down vote comments coz all we do is sit around with nothing better to do than manipulate everything around us. ... 'US?' no? We dress in white. . Pure and righteous. Its YOU HATERS who reflect THE SYSTEM💯 coz you have bias and are exploitative towards exploration of the soul. .... Hey how'd I do? 🤣
I have been watching your content for years and while I love all the videos mocking crypto bros or shady video game developers this kind of content is great to be getting from you.
Bro you do this style of video really well, this needs 1-2m views at least. It has to get there when it finally gets put in front of the right people. Take me, found your channel a month ago, binged the hell out of the scam content, and never got recommended this video.
I’m seeing a lot of comments from people who have left Cults I hope you guys are all doing OK glad you all got out of there. But I know it can be hard when your family is still wrapped up in that stuff.
"Tired of living in a system where you work to enrich someone above you, and you fall in to neglect and poverty reguardless? Oh boy, do I have the group for you! May I present to you, more of the same, but worse somehow! You're welcome."
@@johns8377 I have no boss, no vice, no responsibility, I’m attached to nothing but very close family. I can work wherever whenever, I’m probably one of the most free people on this planet. Because what I’m chasing is not happiness, an extreme most people are not capable of, regardless what they do.
Man brainwashing doesn't work like that. It's drip fed. You're lovebombed. It's like any abusive relationship... ... if anyone knew that the abusive relationship was abusive nobody would ever enter into it, right? Once they've worn away your self worth and taken away your means of escape its virtually impossible to leave.
I’ve met a person who has been a part not of a cult per se, but of a self-help program that promised its members to get to their full potential. I have seen videos of their trainings online and those look quite awful to the outsider. Humiliation is the name of the game. That person I met told me that if she doesn’t find a boyfriend until a certain date she would have to publicly humiliate herself and film it, so that the other members of the group are aware that she followed on her promise.
I work in a bookstore with a decently large section of self help style books, just flipping through the new ones that we get every now and then I have seen just how weird and creepy many of them are. To the extent that I will outright choose to not put them on the shelf in favour of literally any other book as I do NOT want to sell those to people.
I’ve met people and groups over the years that have shown these traits. I believe in living on the healthier and more sober end of the spectrum but I don’t live all up in my ego and care about notoriety. Red flags imo are anyone who has a high social media presence, mentions mentoring, expresses a desire to collaborate with you, tries to stroke your ego, or looks like they themselves are a clout chaser. People will play the part of “I do it for the love” but yet can’t or won’t do it unless anyone is watching. I don’t want to be part of any group or association of any kind. I go do what I do just to be, live in the now, and don’t try to document it for show and tell. I have no desire to be famous. Not caring about what anyone thinks is the place for me. There is a reason it’s harder to be a lone wolf than ever and it’s because we’re surrounded with this nonsense. I believe the age of the influencer has peaked long ago and all that’s left is a bunch of stragglers clamoring to manufacture their “discovery.” Just go BE and tune out the noise.
Really well made video, I was in that dj community that Tumple started out in, and one of the girls in the footage was an old internet dj friend of mine. Really sad to have seen it happen, was so fucked up
@@NH-bn8xn oh right! i remember when you moved. i miss when the whole dj scene was on facebook, so many people abandoned it thanks to mark zuckerberg just absolutely ruining the site lol. same old same old, finally getting to dj a lot more thanks to covid ending. work from home now so i have a lot more free time to pour through bandcamp and get into new music, but i haven't been making music as much as i was before covid
It blows my mind how talented you’re, Ash. Your level of making doco style content is at the same level of Film standards, thank you so much for taking the time, the care and the love into everything you make. We’re blessed to have a TH-camr like you King Ash. ❤
My question is: why in the hell no former members of this insane cult had the courage to report them to the authorities? As much as a sad story it might be, and as much as I can understand the traumas these people have gone trough, the fact that none of them did nothing to take them down and just allowed them to continue recruiting and abusing others proves that no matter how much they might say they want to prevent said cult from perpetrating such despicable actions, they still live in a state of fear and submission to this very day.
white liberals have turned their psychosis into a near religious experience complete with kneeling for rioters, original sin (white guilt), ever changing newspeak, excommunication of anyone who stands up to their doctrines (cancelling), tithing billions to blatant grifters and violent crusades of looting and arson against immigrant run stores. It’s insane to view from the outside looking in.
@Grant Keller hey man, are you okay man? Are you looking for someone who was saying anything remotely related to what the fuck you just said? Cause dude, you went past a reach to a full on stretch.
People also need to look at friend groups in person and online very much so now. The "men girls" who have the biggest say in a group and expect people to follow everything they wish to do, imo, would fall into this category. Just got 2 people out of my life in the last 2 years like this. Bad thing is it can creep up on you and before you know it, mini cult leader telling you how to love your life.
Cults go after very smart people too. Most people in cults are very bright people, who are just missing something or going through big changes. Looking for a sign if you will.
No, these guys aren't classy enough. She who thirsts has standards. They ain't high, but they're higher than this. Also, not filthed enough for nurgle, the plans are too simple for tzeench, and they are with without honour or enough skullsblood for khorne. One of the c'tan can have them.
@@SymbioteMullet I guess there is a chance Malice could grab them but a pretty low one because even he would probably see them as too nihilistic, soft and complacent, he wants people with some belief and conviction.
@@SymbioteMullet Oh please, She-who-pleasures-herself-with-a-chainsword would give these guys a pat on the back for trying. There's nothing classy about being a coked up serial rapist.
Slaaneshi Cults offer delights and experiences for the senses we can't even properly visualize or imagine. Their performances make the finest Cirque Du Soleil shows look like disgusting drunken Ogryns trying ballet. Their foods and drinks will make you fall in love with your taste buds. _Literally._ Their decor and clothes swirl with magnificent psychedelic colors, which you will see everywhere long after the party is over. IF the party ever ends. They don't just offer you pleasure and pain in ways that rewire your entire brain. They _become_ your pleasure and pain as they corrupt you, hollow you out and make you love it all until you can feel nothing anymore and it's far too late to ever go back. These guys, these IRL criminals, shithead pimps, scammers and slavers don't deserve to be compared to such harmless fiction. _(Hah, pulled a sneaky on ya.)_
It's just crazy how these ppl left the family that really cared for them for predators that just said a few kind words. Tell the ppl in your life how important they are or someone w/ bad intentions will...
Wow....that was terrible. How are there people not in prison yet? Then again there could very well be a law enforcement investigation going on in the background .
Mostly lack of evidence as well as the fact taht TECHNCIALLY speaking most of what they did was "with consent". Even though said consent was manipulated and thus not legally valid, proving that can be tricky especially if the victims themselves don't press charges.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 Economic crisis, even projected ones, can make some people too desperate and paranoid. And when your emotion's out of whack, sometimes your logical side can't be heard.
@@sponge1234ify Lots of truth to that, but not the whole truth. The whole truth is your logical side can't be heard in such situation when there wasn't much of it even in the best of times. People who learn critical thinking, who have broader worldviews, basic knowledge on cults, psychology, etc etc., shouldn't fall for that. So the reason IMHO is youth + stupidity + emotions out of whack like you say.
Heavens gate was successful where they failed because they had everyone learn web design to generate income. Imagine how bad things would have been if they had a revenue stream that was similar.
I see you! I have a lunatic mother too! She thinks she is a targeted individual and that is essentially a cult a very disorganized one but it’s still a cult with a set group of beliefs.
New listener here. You popped up in my feed and since you're named KiraTV I had to check it out......bc my daughter is named Kira! She turns 6 next weekend and loves making videos. Like all kids she wants to do yt when she grows up lol
Thank you for the great video, as always. So many parents today are unknowingly setting their kids up for cult vultures. If your children are grown and you're not allowing them to make their own decisions, then how do you think they'll do when these scumbags start cozying up to them?
Love that you’re expanding and these documentaries are awesome, keep it up! Oh, and don’t forget about E2 whenever you totally blow up! We need quality E2 reporting like only you can provide 🤣🤣
Man that is so messed up What they did to Matthew. People that absolutely vile should be subjected to the psychological torture they subjected their victims to. That’s another kind of evil.
A lot of people want to be a part of something, and so when they join these cults they kinda feel a little more complete. Maybe not the best choice, but it's usually the "I want to be part of something" in people. I mean, look at the planking challenge a few years back for example.
Kinda minor and something that is easily missed if you're not from the states, but at 2:46 the writing says "Seattle, Oregon" but Seattle is in Washington
I'm not a Earth 2 fan, but I don't think they're a cult. They don't try to get you to cut off contact with your family, they don't tell you what news sources you can and can't consume, they don't tell you how to dress, you're free to leave without them trying to beat you up or physically restrain you, they're not telling you that you can't communicate with outsiders and Shane isn't trying to get his female followers to sleep with him. Now, what is pretty nefarious with Earth 2 and the rest of the crypto space is that everyone who has invested, has a financial incentive to convince other people to buy in as well. I think this is a really nasty structure, because it does turn people into quasi-shills.
@@lightworker2956 it depends on whether you consider access to their Discord as being allowed to communicate. However, having known one person personally who was a victim of a true cult, I can say I was half joking and do appreciate you not letting my joke detract from the true horror cults can inflict.
You may be saying it as a joke, but crypto in general really has a lot of cult-like elements. Sure, they aren't as terrible as the cult in this video, and it's asinine to compare them to these kind of cults (which is why I assumed it was a joke), but they really are cult-like. They have a lot of incentives to both recruit new people to pour their money in and punish people trying to leave, so they end up generating a lot of the same cult-like behaviour than the more well-known cults. Folding ideas' video on NFTs puts it in technical terms as a "self-organizing high control group" and provides a couple more examples (like the good morning/good night thing).
Oh wow, I was part of a group of new friends (only 4 of us) that had very anti-capitalist beliefs and called themselves spiritual, trying to find meaning in their lives and the world. I don't judge them for that, but mix that with smoking too much weed and not having jobs, and slowly making rules about spirituality and having arguments over who's intuition is more correct, deciding they were Egyptian king and queen in a past life and using those names for themselves- but ya know, I wasn't anything special?, how everything is a conspiracy, trying to channel otherworldly beings, deciding that an off grid 'community' is the way forward, and discovering the Galactic Federation... I cut them all off. This was 2003.
@Mirrinian It actually happened! Weed - not even once 😂They thought their son was the second coming of an emperor. But after a couple of years of no communication skills, turns out he's just autistic. I nearly laughed when she told me.
These stories are so frustrating when they don't end with ", and now they're rotting in prison for eternity." What the fuck? How is this STILL going on!?
Being incredibly stingy is kinda my little security blanket in this regards. i might fall for any old bullshit......but the moment some weirdos want my money im definitively outta there.
“You have an idea for a brand and you’re full of optimism, you know good things are coming. All you need is an audience… 10 seconds later Before you know it, you’re living on the streets and selling your body to pay for the lifestyle of your general in an intergalactic army” Me: “well that escalated quickly”
You left out some racial aspects they consider black women god and worship them and it’s all self hating yt men they are mostly recruiting I can’t believe I saw all this play out irl
Thanks for sharing Kira, this video reminds me to some crazy cults we had in our country years ago. One had cult leader who thinks he's God's messenger and his dreams were messages from God, there's one cult in which they thought they'd ascend to heavens (which they didn't obviously) but the worst one is Sunda Empire who claims that all countries in the world in under their empire. Ugh!
I used to be a member of the cult called "The Twelve Tribes". They are a communal messianic high-control group. When I joined, I was a social cripple. Aspergers and a very poor upbringing had me in a state where I could barely have normal relationships with people. Because of that, I took away as much or more than I gave to them in the 8-odd years I was with them. However, for more well-adjusted people, it was a consistent losing proposition. I don't hate the TT. I actually miss the lifestyle. They live (cooking, cleaning, shopping) and earn money communally, with responsible individuals being delegated to handle those tasks. What made me leave was their smothering control over every aspect of my life and their dogmatic views. They are not the sort of group that tries to make you stay if you don't want to be there, so there's always an open door with the caveat that you're probably going to hell if you leave, lol. Their lifestyle was very comfortable. Rise in the morning, sing and dance, go to what amounts to a church service, and then do your daily duties. Very simple and very rewarding (until you need your teeth fixed or require a special diet). If only they weren't so dogma-bound...
My grandma lived two houses down from a twelve tribes house. She said she saw them beating children. My grandma is very stern and old fashioned herself so if she had a problem with them it meant bad news. When she died my aunt sold her old stone house to the cult. She probably rolled over in her grave and moaned. What disrespect to do that
You're not alone - that kind of social, communal style of living has emotional benefits for a great many people. It's such a shame that it's so rare to see in Western societies outside of cults. I hope you can find somewhere similar which has a community lifestyle without being a cult. A friendly small town, or a cosy street community where everyone knows each other and looks out for each other may suit you well.
5:35 Makes sense, most FB users I run into failed Health class and don't realize the definition of drug doesn't include "man-made" anywhere and by extension weed and caffeine fall under this category.
KiraTV I am MEANT to be washing up! How can I do that with this upload? Lol! Brilliant as usual. Cults are one of my favourite topics, love these stories you're producing, I've mentioned Veve and Omi before, would love your thoughts on it all.
Worth noting, there's an error in the graphic around 2:50 -- Seattle is in Washington State, not Oregon. It's about 3 hours from the Oregon border. I know the United States can seem like a large undifferentiated mass, but imagine saying Sheffield is in the Cotswolds...
@@tubensalat1453 much better to have all liberal institutions killing your critical thinking skill and turning you into a mindless robot that is led around by the nose, being entitled and expecting to be given everything. 🙄
I was in this “cult” and I want to clarify that when Buum had first met them, he was in high school and collaborating creatively. He did not “choose” this, a cult kinda formed around him. By the time it was a cult, Koa had slowly wriggled control around his life. This stuff did not start so “scary”; but it became that way in the end. Buum wasn’t prepared for that. These people were his friends before it got this bad. He’s an intelligent and talented person who was slowly manipulated for years.
It's infuriating that they're not being prosecuted for sex trafficking.
Don't know if the former members have initiated anything. We have a saying in German, "Where there's no plaintiff, there's no judge."
I only found a single report by one paper and a handful larger newspapers reporting about that report. Seems like they're still under the radar and will continue to do so
@@hellatze edgy
@@PropaneWP Could be edgy but also right, unfortunately people get away with crime way more than we want to admit, especially organize crimes are very hard to pin down and charge properly.
@@LeiCal69 Have you ever imagined what it would be like without any laws? Take a look at a country like Somalia to get an idea.
A country's quality of living is closely tied to the fairness of it's laws and the amount of corruption. To say that failure to enforce existing laws or a weak judicial system equals the concept of justice to be weak is a false equivalence.
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Somalia does have laws. It is not in a state of anarchy, the real power in the country is just not held by the federal government, but by the clans, as has been the case for most of Somalia's history.
I am currently in the process of leaving a self-help program with many cult-like qualities. I've spent a number of years being gaslit into thinking if I leave, my life will fall apart. The hardest part has been genuine friendships with people in the program who will continue to buy into it, my personal relations are very entangled with them and the prospect of beginning a new life and building friendships outside is difficult. Kira I really appreciate this video, seeing a true cult that's way more extreme than what I've been involved in has helped temper my anger.
Hope you don't relapse.
Teal swan?
Yeah, finding new friends really is hard. I feel you. I hope you find some other good people outside to help you out.
Best of luck man, rooting for ya
I teach spirituality and cults are so easily bought into. Any group offering you something you don’t have, rules, or rituals are lying. Real spirituality is to gain nothing
I love how almost exactly halfway into the video this story transforms from a knockoff Scientology with a sex fetish to Starship fuckin' Troopers.
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bold of you to assume Scientology isn't a sex cult
bold of you to assume Scientology isn't Starship fuckin' Troopers. :D
Oof that can't be good Starship Troopers at least the film is a Satire of Far Right politics, unlike the Book which is more a conventional War Novel set in Space with of its time themes (as in Anti-Communism and Pro US interventionsm)
"Would you like to know more ?"
I just lost my real friend to a real life cult a few weeks back. Had a whole fight and everything. But he's so damn deep into it that I just gave up on him after 8 years of knowing the guy. He even thinks I am the enemy. but at some point you can't die for these people and have to let them make their mistakes and learn from it. I'm done putting my ass on the line for him.
"Don't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm"
- some guy
Sometimes you just have to let people go because you cannot help people that do not want help.
"I am not responsible for the dysfunction of others"
Words to remember. I hope your friend comes back to earth one day.
At this point of time, all you could do is give him an mean to ask you for help should he realizes that he in a cult.
@@minitureoc9333 I did a mutual friend of ours who isn't in one. But he cut of ties with him too. That what a cult is, it demand absolutely loyalty. Worst part is he is the one that started it in the first place. He's lost his mind and unlike this video. He is the victim of his own madness, quit his job, abandoned his home, health, fiance and everything. Its also growing which doesn't help him, since he surrounds himself with others who are also batshit crazy. I even tried his parents and couldn't get thought. Infact I do any more and they will retaliate and come after me which I don't care but I will needlessly bring trouble on myself for now result. So I just stopped. I used to think this shit is funny. Until it happened to me. And watching him burn himself up I know better than to bring popcorn. Can't even believe it's a thing that isn't just in movies, but can happen to anyone these days. Its also do bizzare you talk to him and it's about angles and demons and warfare and other crap. There's no reasoning with him. He's also said he's died physically and retured back due to a bad heart and still refuses treatment for it. Says some spiritual entity brought him back to his body and gave him a mission. Now he calls himself king, found some queen and even has knights and a whole round table. Lives off the funding of some rich people too. Probably everyone taking advantage of his insanity and worth thing is they will soon take advantage of innocents. The whole thing is loony. Nothing else to describe it. All you can do it stay far far away from it and hope people aren't stupid enough to join the cause but people always are. I'm still baffled they have some 15 members already, I was told they reserved a seat. Hearing that I knew it was high time to run away. Not even for all the money in the world will I do it. Because I have seen first hand it destroying him, you can sure get money or raise an army, get followed whatever you call it. But being in one will absolutely destory. Only reason somepeople get into it is to take advantage of others like this video. Otherwise you are victim or crazy. That's about it.
Same thing happened to me and my TWIN SISTER. Yup my real twin sister! She’s so brainwashed. It’s scary to talk to her. I don’t recognize her at all! Everything is “god god god. Church church church”. I cut off ties with her and haven’t spoken to her in 2 and a half year. Shiit is crazy.
I live in Florida near the main headquarters for the Church of Scientology. Those are some freaky people. It's not the members that you have to be weary of, it's the security teams that follow high ranking members, or those that are in the process of joining who aren't super famous, but are on their way. These guys train at expensive ranges, take advanced classes in protection work, take sharpshooter/sniper classes, and are taught guerilla warfare techniques. Word gets around among the shooting community who these guys are and what they do. They are the absolute devout. The lowly recruits are harmless and usually nice, albeit weird. The security and high level people are the dangerous cult leaders
That’s not remotely concerning
Now I’m very worried about all the new churches opening up everywhere
@@clownworld4655 Good thing the feds are keeping an eye on these dangerous armed religious fanatics. Haha jk they're too busy grooming mentally ill teens on discord.
@@kavky honestly that’s more concerning. This dude sounds like a suburban Karen whining about some trained and armed guys. A shit ton of people are trained and armed that they don’t know about
Slightly unrelated but the main HQ of Scientology isn't in Florida, it's in California, a resort-turned-religious-compund near San Jacinto named "Gold Base". Very creepy place, a public highway cuts the place in two so you could drive through the compound (if you wanted to).
I know a woman who just left a cult. She’s super nice and fun and just has great energy. I’m highly surprised she fell into one because she’s just seems like such a free thinker. Well, apparently that free thinking is what got her kicked out. She’s now in therapy trying to unlearn all the cult propaganda. I hope she writes a book because she’s really a great person and it gives ppl some perspective on how really anyone can fall into a cult.
cults go after people with deeply rooted unresolved issues. people who are depressed or desperate are easy targets for example. sometimes the people who are often too happy are the ones who have more internal issues to resolve and put out a funny and happy exterior to hide their issues and pain. robin williams is a great example. he was always happy and had great energy, but was going through things no one else saw. the woman you know might have been similar at the time, found the cult, they saw through it and exploited her weakness. glad she made it out.
its a fatal mistake to think intelligence will protect you from cult indoctrination. they prey not on stupidity (though it can help) but on insecurity. fear, guilt, shame, loneliness - cults will promise to give you an answer and a cure to what ails your spirit. even the smartest person can be wounded inside, and cult leaders can smell that like sharks smell blood.
"Free thinkers" are most susceptible to cults. "Dont be do open minded that your brains fall out.:
"Free thinker" is often a mask for someone who is directionless
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You'll laugh but I once left a martial arts club because it was showing weird cult-like behavior that led to robbing their loyal members to give them all their money. Just to buy their club's drinks and clothes and expensive courses to advance in the overall program.
You weren't allowed to bring your own water/drink into the training hall - you had to buy their drinks or else you'd have to leave the room and drink alone in the locker rooms (which I did), not knowing when the training would continue. You also weren't allowed to wear your own training clothes but had to buy their stuff (because they wanted us all to "look united). No matter how long you've been in the club, you would only ever learn the next, higher-up fighting techniques if you took part in a weekend-long, super expensive course, that also included meeting their master. Speaking of which, at the beginning of each session we had to group up in front of a photo of said master and bow our heads to him (which I never did because why would I).
They preyed on simple-minded people who relied on tight group structures and communal support.
When I said that I'll end the contract, the team leader sat me down for a 1:1 talk, which was kinda arranged like a police hearing. Well, I stood my ground and got out but BOY this was a weird experience.
My dad bounced between a few gyms during the pandemic trying to find one he liked. Like 3 crossfit knockoff gyms came off as lower-key versions of that. Really weird how many "self improvement" activities get wrapped up in scams and ego.
My (ex)wife cheated on me with her martial arts instructor(s) around the time I noticed her studio was getting kinda culty. I now think that's what was going on, especially after speaking with others involved. It's not isolated!
Thats what a club is
Lololololololol reading your experience brought back memories of goofy experiences that really gets shrugged off when whoever is trying to abuse you realizes that you're not desperate for them or anything that they have to offer. Often times, these types want others to need them and look up to them (whatever they're saying and claiming. Most young people don't have friends or random associates, so preying on them in ways to make them feel relevant often times work.
@@nfldend501 no one really goes to clubs for all that. That probably came to be that way around 2010 or so because I've always went to clubs and never felt the oddness that most high end clubs now have. Prior to 2010, you could literally come and go without talking to no one (maybe every now and again, shoot the breeze with whatever familiar staff member or someone in the sauna) without anyone trying to introduce you to this and that.
Making up a specific vocab like this group's "Unglish" is a pretty common cult tactic. It's a way of ostracizing their followers from society by making them unrelatable to people outside the cult, making it harder to leave.
I just watched the latest Rick and Morty episode. The jerking off into a cup is weirdly accurate to what happens in the episode.
Just another racist "hate whitey" cult out there. Just another offshoot of the democrat party at this point.
Its basically just Newspeak. Control the language, control the mind.
I wonder if it's always intentionally for that purpose, or if it starts out more benign. Do they start out trying to separate themselves out of a desire to be unique, or is it a concerted effort to control people from the beginning?
I believe a civil suit for "emotional distress" would be a decent way to destroy this group. The founders would probably would not comply with the legal system and would be jailed for contempt.
I love the branching out. You're an amazing story teller, keep it up my dude!
Totally
What do you mean? He always has been talking about online cults :)
@@sponge1234ify and black desert guides
This guy just doesn't have enough content. He's brilliant.
I also love the dig at the left. "They blamed their mediocrity on Capitalism" LOL.
It's actually really sad that people give their hard earned money to these psychopaths. More and more people should realize that mental health is just as important as physical health. What a disgusting couple of people I hope they get what's coming to them....
Why? Non-aggressive cults have always been a boon to the society for hundreds of years separating respectable members of the society from the complete idiots. You are wrong to think that it's the society's responsibility to care for these idiots. These days more and more public funding are going to waste on these idiots instead of covering the physical and mental healthcare for hard-working men and women who actually risk their limbs and lives contributing something to the society.
Thanks to this cult recruiting idiots online and make them do stupid stuff so it's a little easier for healthy people of society to identify these idiots and avoid them in the future. Ordinary person is not going to fall for this cult bullshite that's certain. After all it's more efficient to bait a trap and catch multiple pesky flies in one go rather than go about swatting them one by one.
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I dont.
A fool and his money, etc.
Kind of hard to feel bad about idiots buying into dumb lies.
Idiots or people who have mental health issues. Either way someone is the victim here and it's unfortunate. People can become vulnerable when they hit rock bottom.
It's crazy to see this saga get wider attention the past couple years. It was such a constant on certain corners of Facebook circa 2016 - 2019. If you were in these circles you would frequently get multiple paragraph long DMs from members asking for donations, very similar to the copypasta post at 19:39. It became a bit of a running joke that you weren't a "real artist" unless you had been solicited by a daylife army member. In the end it was all just very sad, seeing some ppl I knew/met get sucked down the rabbit hole in real time, destroy their lives, friendships, and potential careers.
Considering Koa's siblings both being prominent in music, another odd connection is D'jesus' dad is the former ceo and current chairman of the ayn rand institute, which doesn't reflect his personal views as far as I know, as they are very much estranged, but is still kind of a funny link.
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“Never wear vintage or second hand clothing or items” lol it’s a “No Hipsters” club 😂
This was very informative and I appreciate your sympathetic approach to the victims of cults. Many folks are looking for something better than our messed up world and it makes them vulnerable to wanting to belong as you said. If people want to dive into some history, I recommend the Heaven's Gate podcast.
Many of the cult leaders though kind of get sucked into the loop themselves. They don't start off with bad intentions and some genuinely just want to be with others like them and nothing more. However as they gain power and as they keep being encouraged by their followers and rewarded for extreme and crazy things it goes further and further. Lying to yourself and others also just becomes part of the routine and if you repeat a lie often enough you will start to believe it no matter how absurd it seemed at first.
A cult very often is a viscous cycle of followers and leaders egging each other on and things just spiraling out of control.
@@MrMarinus18 "Many of the cult leaders though kind of get sucked into the loop themselves"
They get sucked into the loop they created for themselves, by which they receive all the benefits and none of the drawbacks? How awfully convenient. I just don't buy it for a second. Victim roles are reserved for the ones being abused, not the ones that are doing the abusing. For you to suggest otherwise is already sick enough.
What you wanna try next, to justify Heaven's Gate? Jonestown? Charles Manson? Come on now, time to get real again.
@@MrYelly I'm not saying it to get them sympathy, I'm just trying to dispel the idea they are some kind of evil genius. They are just as unhinged as their followers and they also aren't really in control of it. Sure they give the instructions but they are forced by soft powers to do a very narrow set of things. They like to feel the cult is under their control but in reality it isn't really.
Jonestown actually is the perfect example of what I mean. Jim Jones kind of got sucked into the whole cult himself. He wasn't any more sane or in control than anyone else was.
Cults are not like the financial scams also featured on the channel. Those are done very deliberately by crafty people. Cults aren't that structured or controlled. Nobody is really in control of a cult.
@@MrYelly Understanding why things happen is not the same as justifying them.
Many cult leaders especially the infamous Jim Jones were abused, humiliated and neglected growing up. This is what set them up to be as evil as they were cause it made their self-worth extremely low.
Low self-worth can very easily shoot into arrogance when they are given the vindication and approval they crave. Many cult leaders also grew up very lonely which was even more true for Jim Jones which caused him to try to bind his followers to him as strongly as possible.
You shouldn't think Cult leaders are some anonymous villain. They are people too. The main reason what makes them turn so evil is the unchecked intoxicating power they have. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and the more isolated a cult becomes the more the cult leader feels empowered and the more insane they become.
If you take a closer look at the regulations for priests you can see almost all of them are made to avoid exactly this. With Christianity for example it is stressed extremely heavily that priests only convey the word of god, they are not divine themselves.
@@MrMarinus18 I truely think you got it the other way around. Only cultists would ever believe their leader to be more than human, that argument doesn't have to be made here.
The insanity of a cult revolves around the inherent insanity of their leader. This is not just subjective bias, but how american state and law handles such topics, as due to this psychological nature of cults. (One receiving the benefits and calling the shots)
Charles Manson never killed anyone, directly or personally. But his influence indirectly caused the deaths of 9 people, for which he originally got sentenced to death, but later reverted to a lifetime in prison. In any other context, this would have been not-done. But such is the nature of cults.
Many of the followers of Jonestown did not want to go along with the very last act, yet they were forced to, on command of their leader. That included children. 909 lives, just gone.
When sweet promises no longer work, their hand turns to manipulation and totalitarian abuse.
If you happen to declare yourself a god-like being of divine degree and exert this delusion over weak-willed or vulnerable individuals, it is a far step away from diminishing any of that personal responsibility, as if you were just there along the crowd.
In your world view, Hitler would just have been another legally elected politician. And that is just a few tads too simple if you ask me.
The thing that ALWAYS shocks me is the evil that is done is on purpose.
No doubt
People should know the tactics of cults and stories of victims
We must combat these harmful delusional people trapping vulnerable people
Great work kira
These people are sick and insane, like wtf 😳 "im not gay" "yes you are" "ok well if you say so"
"ok gimme black cook, master"
You laugh but that's basically what gay conversion camps do in reverse.
Well... that and massive abuse of people until they have an emotional breakdown.
Cults are so scary. I've lost a couple of friends to them. All one can do, really, is to try to be there for them, letting them know that if and when they muster the courage to leave, they'll always have a safe harbour to come to.
?? How do you have MULTIPLE friends in cults? or is it a single cult that successfully recruited all of them
@@burrybondz225 It's not that hard to imagine, because there are a lot of cults out there. Note that I'm not defining only the obscure ones as cults. Even comparably "normal" organisations like Jehova's Witnesses are cults according to me. So, my friends who are in cults are all in different ones from eachother. Some in larger ones, like JW, and others in smaller and more obscure ones.
@@oliver_twistor I don't know much about JW. I personally only consider clear pay to ascend , and organizations that scam their followers (or kills by suicide) to be cults or push them into crime. if my friend became a buddhist I wouldn't consider him a cultist and I personally wouldn't worry about his immediate future. On the other hand if he started saying judgement day is coming 13 april 2030 and he locks himself in his room, or if he started selling his body to pay higher ups then I would be very concerned.
@@burrybondz225 It can easily get way worse depending on where you live, some regions have way more cults than others. Pure luck of the dice how many you end up running into during your low points.
I'm an artist and I have a very small presence...
I've tried social media 3 times, rebranding because of a stalker, but stalkers are not the only people trying to win my trust: scammers, incompetent game designers, cult recruiters, lonely losers and many types of predators are always looking. Social media is a dangerous place to put your hopes and dreams... and every kid has access to it.
Im in that boat. Ive made some cool friends because of it but learned to build a mote between myself and the audience and kept as much personal information private as humanly possible.
Art on social media is generally not taken seriously.
A guy who has a podcast on here and everywhere else DMd me one day to initiate a relationship & long story short 3 years later I’m broke & my life has been ruined because he was constantly begging me for money pretending to love me. Don’t trust anyone not even people you watch & think you know.
@@v_eye_let_17 Well your profile photo looks like it was ripped off of only fans. You arnt setting the bar too high.
Same, had my work stolen by VICE/VICELAND, Buzzfeed, numerous Music Artists.. and when I tell ppl this “I’m Crazy” and a “Clout Chaser” it’s so disheartening
This is pure evil INSANITY!! Oh I feel so bad for Mathew; I hope he heals from all the trauma. He is brave for finally getting out and speaking his truth. My God! Some human beings don't deserve to be called human at all. Infuriating & sad....
Yooo nice my recommendation!! This one's a deep cut, can't wait to watch what you did with it. My friends and myself, involved in nightlife/DJing, were directly harassed by one of the members (he appears in a few of these clips and his long ramblings appear near the end) years back with the "buying back your soul" scheme. There's also a fair chance Kira will be harassed by them if they're still about that life. They are trolls.
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Daylife Jesus dude right? Yeah he was going by something like Ezekiel or some shit back then I think?
Yeah they had a big push on wfb a few years back now we're everyone was spammed with that dumb chain message scheme.
Sorry your friends were harassed and intimidated.
Yeah they follow scientologist 'ATTACK-MODE' strategy if you badmouth them. They will have already learned about this vid coz all they do is monitor social media. That's literally it.
@@nevadatan7323 I knew him by Edaan at the time. he actually posted a video "reacting" to this doc and it's super boring lol. he spammed it as a reply to a bunch of comments here including this one.
"Let's down vote comments coz all we do is sit around with nothing better to do than manipulate everything around us. ... 'US?' no? We dress in white.
. Pure and righteous. Its YOU HATERS who reflect THE SYSTEM💯 coz you have bias and are exploitative towards exploration of the soul.
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Hey how'd I do? 🤣
I have been watching your content for years and while I love all the videos mocking crypto bros or shady video game developers this kind of content is great to be getting from you.
Bro you do this style of video really well, this needs 1-2m views at least. It has to get there when it finally gets put in front of the right people.
Take me, found your channel a month ago, binged the hell out of the scam content, and never got recommended this video.
If this were a joke, it'd be fucking hilarious. The fact that this is real is just absolutely demented.
Reality is stranger than fiction.
It was both.
Been loving your documentary episodes. Keep up the good work! Great editing and writing.
I’m seeing a lot of comments from people who have left Cults I hope you guys are all doing OK glad you all got out of there. But I know it can be hard when your family is still wrapped up in that stuff.
"Tired of living in a system where you work to enrich someone above you, and you fall in to neglect and poverty reguardless? Oh boy, do I have the group for you! May I present to you, more of the same, but worse somehow! You're welcome."
It's insane to think how lost some people are, to the point you let someone else control you. Something I cannot imagine under any circumstance.
What a ridiculous comment, chances are, you are well and truly controlled as most of us are.
@@johns8377 I have no boss, no vice, no responsibility, I’m attached to nothing but very close family. I can work wherever whenever, I’m probably one of the most free people on this planet. Because what I’m chasing is not happiness, an extreme most people are not capable of, regardless what they do.
@@johns8377 you lack a soul and an ego, you are utterly pathetic, you philosophical zombie
That’s what religion does
Man brainwashing doesn't work like that. It's drip fed. You're lovebombed. It's like any abusive relationship...
... if anyone knew that the abusive relationship was abusive nobody would ever enter into it, right?
Once they've worn away your self worth and taken away your means of escape its virtually impossible to leave.
I’ve met a person who has been a part not of a cult per se, but of a self-help program that promised its members to get to their full potential. I have seen videos of their trainings online and those look quite awful to the outsider. Humiliation is the name of the game.
That person I met told me that if she doesn’t find a boyfriend until a certain date she would have to publicly humiliate herself and film it, so that the other members of the group are aware that she followed on her promise.
I work in a bookstore with a decently large section of self help style books, just flipping through the new ones that we get every now and then I have seen just how weird and creepy many of them are. To the extent that I will outright choose to not put them on the shelf in favour of literally any other book as I do NOT want to sell those to people.
That's a cult. A cult does not have to involve religion
this is the plot of a fucking nathan for you episode, i ca t believe someone made it real.
I had never heard of this cult. Great video, cheers
Small cults didn't get a lot of attention except when people die.
Kira: “you can’t do drugs”
Me: *finishes bong rip* “not my kind of cult”
Kira: “but of course you can smoke weed”
Me: “aught nuw wure tulkung”
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I’ve met people and groups over the years that have shown these traits. I believe in living on the healthier and more sober end of the spectrum but I don’t live all up in my ego and care about notoriety. Red flags imo are anyone who has a high social media presence, mentions mentoring, expresses a desire to collaborate with you, tries to stroke your ego, or looks like they themselves are a clout chaser. People will play the part of “I do it for the love” but yet can’t or won’t do it unless anyone is watching. I don’t want to be part of any group or association of any kind. I go do what I do just to be, live in the now, and don’t try to document it for show and tell. I have no desire to be famous. Not caring about what anyone thinks is the place for me. There is a reason it’s harder to be a lone wolf than ever and it’s because we’re surrounded with this nonsense. I believe the age of the influencer has peaked long ago and all that’s left is a bunch of stragglers clamoring to manufacture their “discovery.” Just go BE and tune out the noise.
Really well made video, I was in that dj community that Tumple started out in, and one of the girls in the footage was an old internet dj friend of mine. Really sad to have seen it happen, was so fucked up
Yooo long time, I was sodium bicarbonate back in the day. I hope you're still doing good man!
@@NH-bn8xn YOOOOOO whats good
NM man I'm just doing my thing, married and living in India these days. How about you??
@@NH-bn8xn oh right! i remember when you moved. i miss when the whole dj scene was on facebook, so many people abandoned it thanks to mark zuckerberg just absolutely ruining the site lol. same old same old, finally getting to dj a lot more thanks to covid ending. work from home now so i have a lot more free time to pour through bandcamp and get into new music, but i haven't been making music as much as i was before covid
It blows my mind how talented you’re, Ash. Your level of making doco style content is at the same level of Film standards, thank you so much for taking the time, the care and the love into everything you make. We’re blessed to have a TH-camr like you King Ash. ❤
You're kind of starting to sound a bit like a cult member yourself there, mate.
@@PropaneWP hail king ash ?
@@PropaneWP nah I’m just autistic man, my bad.
My question is: why in the hell no former members of this insane cult had the courage to report them to the authorities?
As much as a sad story it might be, and as much as I can understand the traumas these people have gone trough, the fact that none of them did nothing to take them down and just allowed them to continue recruiting and abusing others proves that no matter how much they might say they want to prevent said cult from perpetrating such despicable actions, they still live in a state of fear and submission to this very day.
The modern research tends to call them High Control Groups and to expand the definition to groups that may be more mainstream
white liberals have turned their psychosis into a near religious experience complete with kneeling for rioters, original sin (white guilt), ever changing newspeak, excommunication of anyone who stands up to their doctrines (cancelling), tithing billions to blatant grifters and violent crusades of looting and arson against immigrant run stores.
It’s insane to view from the outside looking in.
@Grant Keller hey man, are you okay man? Are you looking for someone who was saying anything remotely related to what the fuck you just said? Cause dude, you went past a reach to a full on stretch.
"Hey dude are you ok" - nice argument tactic trying to discredit me by indirectly implying that I'm "unwell". Grow up you utter child.
People also need to look at friend groups in person and online very much so now. The "men girls" who have the biggest say in a group and expect people to follow everything they wish to do, imo, would fall into this category. Just got 2 people out of my life in the last 2 years like this. Bad thing is it can creep up on you and before you know it, mini cult leader telling you how to love your life.
@@deltasaves Pretty sure you meant mean girls and not men girls here, but if I'm wrong then that would change up the meaning quite alot.
My heart breaks for Matthew and the others who were manipulated into this act. How..how is the law enforcement not involved? 🧐
I don't feel sorry for him or any of them in the slightest, such brainless wastes of oxygen
Some bullshit about religious freedom, no doubt.
All I could think of was “Scientology??????”
Edit.. and just after the 2 mins mark… there it is :)
It’s what you get if you buy Scientology off wish.
Cults go after very smart people too. Most people in cults are very bright people, who are just missing something or going through big changes. Looking for a sign if you will.
So basically the IRL equivalent of a Slaaneshi chaos cult from Warhammer 40k ....... fantastic
No, these guys aren't classy enough.
She who thirsts has standards. They ain't high, but they're higher than this.
Also, not filthed enough for nurgle, the plans are too simple for tzeench, and they are with without honour or enough skullsblood for khorne. One of the c'tan can have them.
@@SymbioteMullet I guess there is a chance Malice could grab them but a pretty low one because even he would probably see them as too nihilistic, soft and complacent, he wants people with some belief and conviction.
@@SymbioteMullet Oh please, She-who-pleasures-herself-with-a-chainsword would give these guys a pat on the back for trying. There's nothing classy about being a coked up serial rapist.
Slaaneshi Cults offer delights and experiences for the senses we can't even properly visualize or imagine.
Their performances make the finest Cirque Du Soleil shows look like disgusting drunken Ogryns trying ballet.
Their foods and drinks will make you fall in love with your taste buds. _Literally._
Their decor and clothes swirl with magnificent psychedelic colors, which you will see everywhere long after the party is over. IF the party ever ends.
They don't just offer you pleasure and pain in ways that rewire your entire brain.
They _become_ your pleasure and pain as they corrupt you, hollow you out and make you love it all until you can feel nothing anymore and it's far too late to ever go back.
These guys, these IRL criminals, shithead pimps, scammers and slavers don't deserve to be compared to such harmless fiction. _(Hah, pulled a sneaky on ya.)_
@@RuSosan Thank fuck for that. Been seeing a bit too many 40K larpers around lately.
It's just crazy how these ppl left the family that really cared for them for predators that just said a few kind words. Tell the ppl in your life how important they are or someone w/ bad intentions will...
Wow....that was terrible.
How are there people not in prison yet? Then again there could very well be a law enforcement investigation going on in the background .
Mostly lack of evidence as well as the fact taht TECHNCIALLY speaking most of what they did was "with consent".
Even though said consent was manipulated and thus not legally valid, proving that can be tricky especially if the victims themselves don't press charges.
More interesting question to me is how one can be so gullible and stupid to fall for them.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 Economic crisis, even projected ones, can make some people too desperate and paranoid. And when your emotion's out of whack, sometimes your logical side can't be heard.
@@sponge1234ify Lots of truth to that, but not the whole truth. The whole truth is your logical side can't be heard in such situation when there wasn't much of it even in the best of times. People who learn critical thinking, who have broader worldviews, basic knowledge on cults, psychology, etc etc., shouldn't fall for that. So the reason IMHO is youth + stupidity + emotions out of whack like you say.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 ever heard of religion?
Funny how nobody said “Wiz-El” really fast, to themselves; or they’d have found out this dude is/was a “Weasel” _pretty_ quickly!
I was thinking Wiz-el must've been a big Superman fan. Hard to take him seriously 🤣🤣
(Kal-El was Superman's Krypton name)
holy shit i remember this back then, i thought Eben was being ironic or a troll account. He was a cult leader all along holy fuck
Heavens gate was successful where they failed because they had everyone learn web design to generate income. Imagine how bad things would have been if they had a revenue stream that was similar.
Exactly these people are so stupid and made them prostitute and beg for money!
also the leaders pretty much walked what they preached, in this case the leaders just sat on their asses all day, the homelessness also didn't help.
The Victems of this cult need to press charges and end these predators!
I literally spat my drink out when you said the 'Galactuc Federation' ahaha.. jesus these people just keep incrementally ramping up the crazy
Shouldn't it be "federution"?🤣
Dude wtf? I didn’t know you had branched out into this content. Love it
I’m so happy you made this video man.
My lunatic of a mother said the other day:”I think I’d do really well in a cult”.
No mum, just no. 🤣
Get her to therapy immediately lol
I see you! I have a lunatic mother too! She thinks she is a targeted individual and that is essentially a cult a very disorganized one but it’s still a cult with a set group of beliefs.
Wow I sent this story to a bunch of TH-camrs like 2 years ago. Thank you for this.
What you're describing is essentially a real life Warhammer 40K Slaanesh cult.
This is a stark contrast to kickstarter asset flip games damn! Great vid Kira!
This sounds like a bargin bin version of scientology.
New listener here. You popped up in my feed and since you're named KiraTV I had to check it out......bc my daughter is named Kira! She turns 6 next weekend and loves making videos. Like all kids she wants to do yt when she grows up lol
Awesome work KiraTV creators like you deserve way more credit and recognition
Bro if someone told me that they are in possession of my soul and that I should buy it back, I’d laugh them out the room and drive off.
You're describing a drug Circle. This is a social media addicted drug Circle
Thank you for the great video, as always. So many parents today are unknowingly setting their kids up for cult vultures. If your children are grown and you're not allowing them to make their own decisions, then how do you think they'll do when these scumbags start cozying up to them?
Love that you’re expanding and these documentaries are awesome, keep it up! Oh, and don’t forget about E2 whenever you totally blow up! We need quality E2 reporting like only you can provide 🤣🤣
Man that is so messed up
What they did to Matthew. People that absolutely vile should be subjected to the psychological torture they subjected their victims to. That’s another kind of evil.
I've watched a lot of things about cults over the years and I really can't wrap my head around why anyone could be sucked into them and stay.
Apparently, mutual masturbation goes a loooonnnnggg way!
A lot of people want to be a part of something, and so when they join these cults they kinda feel a little more complete.
Maybe not the best choice, but it's usually the "I want to be part of something" in people. I mean, look at the planking challenge a few years back for example.
Great Show Kira
You keep knocking them out of the park.
I see what you are doing. Saying cults are bad to cover the tracks of your Shadow Cabal
I will never understand why people fall in to cults. The second a group of people start being nice to me I just leave.
... I am so lonely...
- Anti-capitalistic
- Sells souls
Huh
I can't fathom being so suggestable that I'd tolerate and accept anyone attacking my race, and manipulating my sexuality.
Daylight army were always a joke the minute they started showing up on the book... watching everyone go all white was the highlight of 2015.
I can’t believe I’m watching this I went down the tumple rabbit hole after they recruited my friend and tried to recruit me loool this is insane
Damn bro that intro gave me whiplash.
Shows how easily people can be controlled when they are either "down and out" or have life goals of becoming rich and famous.
He turned to alcohol AND CAFFEINE?
I know it's awful but that cracked me tf up
That just show how he didn't care about those rules anymore.
Kinda minor and something that is easily missed if you're not from the states, but at 2:46 the writing says "Seattle, Oregon" but Seattle is in Washington
Excellent, Kira is back! I think Earth 2 is a bit of a cult, to be honest.
I mean by definition they kinda are. Crypto bros in general are.
I'm not a Earth 2 fan, but I don't think they're a cult. They don't try to get you to cut off contact with your family, they don't tell you what news sources you can and can't consume, they don't tell you how to dress, you're free to leave without them trying to beat you up or physically restrain you, they're not telling you that you can't communicate with outsiders and Shane isn't trying to get his female followers to sleep with him.
Now, what is pretty nefarious with Earth 2 and the rest of the crypto space is that everyone who has invested, has a financial incentive to convince other people to buy in as well. I think this is a really nasty structure, because it does turn people into quasi-shills.
@@lightworker2956 it depends on whether you consider access to their Discord as being allowed to communicate. However, having known one person personally who was a victim of a true cult, I can say I was half joking and do appreciate you not letting my joke detract from the true horror cults can inflict.
You may be saying it as a joke, but crypto in general really has a lot of cult-like elements. Sure, they aren't as terrible as the cult in this video, and it's asinine to compare them to these kind of cults (which is why I assumed it was a joke), but they really are cult-like.
They have a lot of incentives to both recruit new people to pour their money in and punish people trying to leave, so they end up generating a lot of the same cult-like behaviour than the more well-known cults. Folding ideas' video on NFTs puts it in technical terms as a "self-organizing high control group" and provides a couple more examples (like the good morning/good night thing).
@@ekki1993 all accurate (at least in regards to the crypto bro community)
There are a few cults like this. Most don't have this explicit level of membership, though.
their language makes them sound illiterate.
Ullituratu
They are 😂
Bloody love you're videos! Always very entertaining.
Oh wow, I was part of a group of new friends (only 4 of us) that had very anti-capitalist beliefs and called themselves spiritual, trying to find meaning in their lives and the world. I don't judge them for that, but mix that with smoking too much weed and not having jobs, and slowly making rules about spirituality and having arguments over who's intuition is more correct, deciding they were Egyptian king and queen in a past life and using those names for themselves- but ya know, I wasn't anything special?, how everything is a conspiracy, trying to channel otherworldly beings, deciding that an off grid 'community' is the way forward, and discovering the Galactic Federation... I cut them all off. This was 2003.
@Mirrinian It actually happened! Weed - not even once 😂They thought their son was the second coming of an emperor. But after a couple of years of no communication skills, turns out he's just autistic. I nearly laughed when she told me.
These stories are so frustrating when they don't end with ", and now they're rotting in prison for eternity." What the fuck? How is this STILL going on!?
For being anticapitalist, they were extremelly interested in money lol.
Being incredibly stingy is kinda my little security blanket in this regards. i might fall for any old bullshit......but the moment some weirdos want my money im definitively outta there.
Seattle is in Washington, not Oregon.
“You have an idea for a brand and you’re full of optimism, you know good things are coming. All you need is an audience…
10 seconds later
Before you know it, you’re living on the streets and selling your body to pay for the lifestyle of your general in an intergalactic army”
Me: “well that escalated quickly”
Beware of the one with the silver tongue and the gift of gab!
"If you don't control your mind, someone else will..."
You left out some racial aspects they consider black women god and worship them and it’s all self hating yt men they are mostly recruiting I can’t believe I saw all this play out irl
Thanks for sharing Kira, this video reminds me to some crazy cults we had in our country years ago. One had cult leader who thinks he's God's messenger and his dreams were messages from God, there's one cult in which they thought they'd ascend to heavens (which they didn't obviously) but the worst one is Sunda Empire who claims that all countries in the world in under their empire. Ugh!
Heavens Gate is probably that second one you’re referring to.
Sounds exactly like Christianity 😂
bold of you to assume that i wake up every day
Right
I get up when it gets dark
Nothing says "anti-capiatilism" like going to Facebook to cry about it
and what does this make you, complaining about this on TH-cam?..
Where else? Why not use the machines parts against itself..to expose the machine itself?
I used to be a member of the cult called "The Twelve Tribes". They are a communal messianic high-control group. When I joined, I was a social cripple. Aspergers and a very poor upbringing had me in a state where I could barely have normal relationships with people. Because of that, I took away as much or more than I gave to them in the 8-odd years I was with them. However, for more well-adjusted people, it was a consistent losing proposition.
I don't hate the TT. I actually miss the lifestyle. They live (cooking, cleaning, shopping) and earn money communally, with responsible individuals being delegated to handle those tasks. What made me leave was their smothering control over every aspect of my life and their dogmatic views. They are not the sort of group that tries to make you stay if you don't want to be there, so there's always an open door with the caveat that you're probably going to hell if you leave, lol. Their lifestyle was very comfortable. Rise in the morning, sing and dance, go to what amounts to a church service, and then do your daily duties. Very simple and very rewarding (until you need your teeth fixed or require a special diet). If only they weren't so dogma-bound...
My grandma lived two houses down from a twelve tribes house. She said she saw them beating children. My grandma is very stern and old fashioned herself so if she had a problem with them it meant bad news. When she died my aunt sold her old stone house to the cult. She probably rolled over in her grave and moaned. What disrespect to do that
You're not alone - that kind of social, communal style of living has emotional benefits for a great many people. It's such a shame that it's so rare to see in Western societies outside of cults. I hope you can find somewhere similar which has a community lifestyle without being a cult. A friendly small town, or a cosy street community where everyone knows each other and looks out for each other may suit you well.
5:35
Makes sense, most FB users I run into failed Health class and don't realize the definition of drug doesn't include "man-made" anywhere and by extension weed and caffeine fall under this category.
KiraTV I am MEANT to be washing up! How can I do that with this upload? Lol! Brilliant as usual. Cults are one of my favourite topics, love these stories you're producing, I've mentioned Veve and Omi before, would love your thoughts on it all.
Worth noting, there's an error in the graphic around 2:50 -- Seattle is in Washington State, not Oregon. It's about 3 hours from the Oregon border. I know the United States can seem like a large undifferentiated mass, but imagine saying Sheffield is in the Cotswolds...
I feel like schools need classes to elucidate young people to these methods.
Would probably be difficult to establish in countries where religious organizations already have large influence.
@@tubensalat1453 much better to have all liberal institutions killing your critical thinking skill and turning you into a mindless robot that is led around by the nose, being entitled and expecting to be given everything. 🙄
I was in this “cult” and I want to clarify that when Buum had first met them, he was in high school and collaborating creatively. He did not “choose” this, a cult kinda formed around him. By the time it was a cult, Koa had slowly wriggled control around his life. This stuff did not start so “scary”; but it became that way in the end. Buum wasn’t prepared for that. These people were his friends before it got this bad. He’s an intelligent and talented person who was slowly manipulated for years.
its seattle washington not oregon
seattle portland same place insane in the membrane
As someone who is about to ship out to the military this is lovely to watch. 😭
These dudes were just straight up living in the Hellraiser Universe
wooo new kira video, and just in time to watch before bedtime
And they say slaanesh is the youngest choas god; with the least amount of influence
Such a sad story what happened to that guy and the people who joined the cult