I am a newbie to Pan Pastels and spent a lot of time deciding if I needed them or not. Pastels seem to be a whole other ballgame! There’s special papers to use with them that are expensive - but, they produce beautiful results. I also have the Jane Davenport pastels. Both pastel brands are similar when using non textured paper. The JD pastels are just a fraction harder to spread on non textured papers. On non textured types of paper, the pastels have a cloudy soft appearance. The real beauty of PanPastels (to me) shows best when using sanded pastel paper. The most vibrant colors show up when used with good quality Pastel Matt or UArt Sanded Pastel Paper. The colors remain sharp and crisp, and velvety. The Canson Pastel brand I have read is not as good of a paper choice to work with. It has very little tooth to it. I have not tried this paper, but it’s a good price compared to the fancier papers. JDavenport pastels were not as vibrant or easy to spread on sanded grit paper. If trying Pan Pastels, I’d suggest starting with the set of 7 pure colors. When you add white or black to them - this gives you tints or shades inbetween (helps save some $$).
I was about to ask about Jane Davenport's lightfast ratings for the Palette Pastels, but then I saw your pros and cons in your description box. ;-) Posting this for anyone else who might have questions that may be answered by the description box. :-)
Wouldn't it be nice if Pan Pastel was listening in and made smaller options for people who are limited on space and really would love to try the product. I have Pan Pastels and I love them!
So true ! I wish the would make smaller versions too ! You would think the manufacturers would realize they would sell MORE of their products IF they sold mini versions ! (I also love mini versions of things like my makeup. So much easier to carry when you are out at night with a tiny purse.🤗)
@@strawbrryfld1 It takes a lot more money to make small versions of something already established in a larger format - the return isn't as good for the manufacturer/retailer for the volumes they'd sell. If however enough people petitioned them, they might listen! fwiw, the Pan Pastels are the equivalent of $9.50 each, here in the UK... 🥴
Thanks for sharing this information. I’m just starting with pastels but I do love the pan pastels. They are like butter and work well for me over the hard pastels.
I'm so glad you do these comparisons video's You have saved my pocketbook with these kinds of videos. I am unable to get these at the moment, but when I am able, thanks to you, I will know what I want or need. TFS
Panpastel user here- I'm glad I invested in the sets I got over birthday and Christmas, but I do think the Jane Davenport range would be great for someone just starting out eho wants to see if they want the professional range. They seem to act very similar to Panpastel indeed. 😊
I am a newbie to Pan Pastels and spent a lot of time deciding if I needed them or not. Pastels seem to be a whole other ballgame! There’s special papers to use with them that are expensive - but, they produce beautiful results. I also have the Jane Davenport pastels. Both pastel brands are similar when using non textured paper. The JD pastels are just a fraction harder to spread on non textured papers. On non textured types of paper, the pastels have a cloudy soft appearance. The real beauty of PanPastels (to me) shows best when using sanded pastel paper. The most vibrant colors show up when used with good quality Pastel Matt or UArt Sanded Pastel Paper. The colors remain sharp and crisp, and velvety. The Canson Pastel brand I have read is not as good of a paper choice to work with. It has very little tooth to it. I have not tried this paper, but it’s a good price compared to the fancier papers. JDavenport pastels were not as vibrant or easy to spread on sanded grit paper. If trying Pan Pastels, I’d suggest starting with the set of 7 pure colors. When you add white or black to them - this gives you tints or shades inbetween (helps save some $$).
You have no idea how much I appreciate this video. I've been lusting after the Jane Davenport pastels for ages but can't find a way to get them to Ireland that doesn't involve ridiculous shipping fees and then Import tax etc . Will definitely try some of the eyeshadow ideas! Great video as always!!
I had a great experience ordering jane items on craftstash.co.uk. I placed a large order, didn't pay shipping costs (from uk to the netherlands!) and received the items within 2/3days ;)
Yay!!! I have all of Jane Davenport’s pan pastels because I got them on discount via scrapbooking made simple and the wands! I just love dipping into all mediums and different crafts🥰
Hi Lindsay ❤ I have been buying lots Lol and I am interested in the 20 pure color set of pan pastels. I just replaced my Carbothello Pastel Pencil set and a friend is gifting me any art supply I choose in two weeks 🎉🎉🎉 so I am having fun looking around. Thanks for the comparison!
Eye shadow is probably not archival. The pan Pastels will last for years. I just pull out the pans I need for my painting and put them around my work area not in the trays.
This is a good point. I hadn't thought about powders being archival or not - just paint. I wonder if anyone's tested it in eg full sunshine for a year, versus being kept in a drawer?
Would you consider comparing how easily they blend? I watched another video that showed that the Jane Davenport did not blend together as nicely as the pan pastels and that the pan pastels seemed to have a lot more pigment in them. I don’t own either product yet.
How are they when applying them on paper? Texture wise/ soft, smooth crumbly the Jane Davenport ones? How would they work for coloring faces and skin in coloring books? Can you use pencil crayons on top of the Jane Davenport? Does she have a colourless blender one?
Interesting! A pan pastel sampler or get Jan to come out with a primary and bright colors palette (essentially the painters set). I think getting Jane to do that would be more likely! I have the pan pastels but they’re all in the smaller 10 pan palettes because the 20 pan palettes were too big for where I store them. Yes they are only a couple of dollars different in price, but if you don’t have anywhere to put the larger one, it’s not a money saver! So I bought several more of the 10 pan palettes but I got them all on sale at Blick so it softened the blow - and got my pan palette sets on sale, as well.
I am in Toronto Ontario, and I called Michael's tonight to see if they carried these Jane Davenport pan pastels and if they were available in the 18 sets. The lady told me on the phone they had them all and they were all on clearance here in Toronto for $14.99 which is less than half of the retail price here. I ran over and got all four. Going to try them out tonight. So if you are in the Toronto area you might want to call your local Michael's and ask. They were not marked down at the store they were on for $32.99 but at the checkout they are marked down. Lindsay if your reading I can't figure out how you snap them together could you please tell how that is done. Thanks for the tips. Aeriol
I understand they are similar in terms of color, but what about similar in terms of blending, use with versamark, cleanup, use with other mediums, etc?
Can you use these like pastel sticks, to paint a scene, for instance? I would love to see a painting done with both pan pastels and pastel sticks for comparison.
I do a side by side in this class: lindsayweirich.teachable.com/p/soft-pastel-for-beginners the course is 50% off through 2/28/19 with coupon code: COLOR
Question: can you use the deli paper to help stop smearing between pages of charcoal, soft pencil etc..? Attempting to make my own mixed media pad...thanks..you rock!
Hi Lindsay, great comparison, thank you. I want to try the Pan Pastel but I don't like the tools you have to use with them. Can you apply the Pan Pastel with a paint brush? I want to use them in my coloring books. If so, I might try the JD brand since they are cheaper, that is if I can find any left since they have been discontinued. TFS!
How would pressed powder foundation makeup work for skin tones? Have you ever tried using some and if it worked would it not take out a lot of the guesswork as the colors would be exact skin tones.
Thank you for the comparison. I love Jane Davenport. But haven’t been able to buy any pastels. Or pan pastels due to prices and not being close to craft stores. But wanting to try them! The eyeshadow I didn’t know would be that close to pastels. so I’m going to use that and try that out! I just do art journaling so I don’t do anything super fancy. I love making faces. Thank you for this!
I only dread the smudging using pastels. I love the pastel pencils from stabilo,not as soft as the bruynzeel. so not as much dust either; any tps on the smudging? my wrists now look like they are bruced,lol
Thank you so much for all the info! I truly appreciate the work you put into this! I was wondering if there's any way to "reconstitute " old stick pastels that we all have from ages and ages ago (the cheap ones) into a creamier pan type pastel. .. maybe grind it up and add glycerin? Something like that. If anyone can figure it out it would be you! ;)
Excellent thought! I have some sticks that just make it hard for me to do anything with and have been wondering if I could mash them up and do something with them, too. HMM
Thank you for this review. I bought a few pan pastels but never knew what to do with them. I have more of a variety of the JD palette pastels and ideas of what to do with them now. I like knowing that they are similar enough to pan pastels that I can play around and decide if I want to continue. I'm not a fan of how impermanent they are, compared to acrylic & oil paint, but I don't feel bad about playing around with a cheaper version, especially if they are going to give me similar results.
Single Pan Pastels in the UK are $11.36. 🙃 Companies seem to use a flight across water as a reason to charge 3x the price for things here. Rather depressing, as the PPs are so lovely.
I never heard of pan pastels before. Do you use water and a paintbrush like watercolors? That was my first thought that these are just pastel colored water colors but now I’m wondering if maybe they’re more like chalk? WHAT ARE THEY? BTW I just ordered a bottle of NOW glycerin for about six dollars from Amazon I hope it’s similar to what you’ve been using and you’re happy with. At first they were priced at $12.00!!
Yup, same here, I think I might try clipping my panpastel palette on table easels so I can have more out in less space because that is the main reason I don't use them more.
I would never use eyeshadow for professional use or on illustrations or on anything where quality is important. But to use eyeshadow as a practice medium would be okay.
so.... how'd you USE the eyeshadows to swatch them? I try to use them in my art journal, and end up only getting a faint color. are you breaking a bit of it off and wetting it with a spritzer and then swirling to mix, and THEN using a sponge or brush to apply the color to the paper? i'm not accustomed to using pan pastels, or the like, so IDK how to apply them... TFS!! i have OLD eye shadow and pastel chalks (chalk pastels?) but those are the 2 'pastel' chalky like items i have/use and that's it. i have a lot more paints than i do stuff like *that* ...
You said a set of 80 for $60-90. Did you mean a set of 20? If you love found them for what you said please let me know! The cheapest I’ve seen in us$ is $340!!
I used to think so myself, but then I realised that she's actually a bit innovative. It's all about her packaging/marketing. She caters to the art journaler as opposed to the fine artist. Her target market are those that just want to have a little fun with art journaling and like cutesy, quirky products. Also, JD tends to create her products to be used for particular subjects that you would have in journals, making it easier for people getting into art journaling to just jump in and have fun. Of course a fine artist would probably scoff at her products. It's all about her target market.
@@ellietodd393 Not disagreeing with you, but its really on the people who choose to buy her products. I have similar issues with the Derwent company havig poor lightfastness ratings, but high prices on many of their supplies and certain fine artists buying their products and promoting them. At a certain point, its on the consumer, unfortunately.
@@MariaRevArt Very true. O bought the Procolour as they were promoted as artist pencils . Then the lightfast ratings were dreadful. My fault for rushing in. Lesson learnt. There is a lot of pressure in the Art and fear world to get the new things. Great marketing. Hard on those who are taught they need the latest to do good art.
I am a newbie to Pan Pastels and spent a lot of time deciding if I needed them or not. Pastels seem to be a whole other ballgame! There’s special papers to use with them that are expensive - but, they produce beautiful results. I also have the Jane Davenport pastels. Both pastel brands are similar when using non textured paper. The JD pastels are just a fraction harder to spread on non textured papers. On non textured types of paper, the pastels have a cloudy soft appearance. The real beauty of PanPastels (to me) shows best when using sanded pastel paper. The most vibrant colors show up when used with good quality Pastel Matt or UArt Sanded Pastel Paper. The colors remain sharp and crisp, and velvety. The Canson Pastel brand I have read is not as good of a paper choice to work with. It has very little tooth to it. I have not tried this paper, but it’s a good price compared to the fancier papers. JDavenport pastels were not as vibrant or easy to spread on sanded grit paper. If trying Pan Pastels, I’d suggest starting with the set of 7 pure colors. When you add white or black to them - this gives you tints or shades inbetween (helps save some $$).
I was about to ask about Jane Davenport's lightfast ratings for the Palette Pastels, but then I saw your pros and cons in your description box. ;-) Posting this for anyone else who might have questions that may be answered by the description box. :-)
Wouldn't it be nice if Pan Pastel was listening in and made smaller options for people who are limited on space and really would love to try the product. I have Pan Pastels and I love them!
Oh! A sampler would be amazing!
I'd love to try them they look so smooth but they are expensive to me I have they Jane Davenport but I'm not even sure how to use them
So true ! I wish the would make smaller versions too ! You would think the manufacturers would realize they would sell MORE of their products IF they sold mini versions ! (I also love mini versions of things like my makeup. So much easier to carry when you are out at night with a tiny purse.🤗)
@@loveall24 Jane Davenport does demonstration videos for every product release showing you exactly how to use them, if you weren't aware...
@@strawbrryfld1 It takes a lot more money to make small versions of something already established in a larger format - the return isn't as good for the manufacturer/retailer for the volumes they'd sell. If however enough people petitioned them, they might listen! fwiw, the Pan Pastels are the equivalent of $9.50 each, here in the UK... 🥴
Thanks for sharing this information. I’m just starting with pastels but I do love the pan pastels. They are like butter and work well for me over the hard pastels.
Thanks so much. I love and appreciate these comparisons.
I'm so glad you do these comparisons video's You have saved my pocketbook with these kinds of videos. I am unable to get these at the moment, but when I am able, thanks to you, I will know what I want or need. TFS
OMG, Lindsey,you're too funny! Eyeshadow, you think like me. Loved the idea, comparison and demonstration. You go girl!
Panpastel user here- I'm glad I invested in the sets I got over birthday and Christmas, but I do think the Jane Davenport range would be great for someone just starting out eho wants to see if they want the professional range. They seem to act very similar to Panpastel indeed. 😊
I am a newbie to Pan Pastels and spent a lot of time deciding if I needed them or not. Pastels seem to be a whole other ballgame! There’s special papers to use with them that are expensive - but, they produce beautiful results. I also have the Jane Davenport pastels. Both pastel brands are similar when using non textured paper. The JD pastels are just a fraction harder to spread on non textured papers. On non textured types of paper, the pastels have a cloudy soft appearance. The real beauty of PanPastels (to me) shows best when using sanded pastel paper. The most vibrant colors show up when used with good quality Pastel Matt or UArt Sanded Pastel Paper. The colors remain sharp and crisp, and velvety. The Canson Pastel brand I have read is not as good of a paper choice to work with. It has very little tooth to it. I have not tried this paper, but it’s a good price compared to the fancier papers. JDavenport pastels were not as vibrant or easy to spread on sanded grit paper. If trying Pan Pastels, I’d suggest starting with the set of 7 pure colors. When you add white or black to them - this gives you tints or shades inbetween (helps save some $$).
Your comparison videos are so helpful, always full of helpful tips. TFS
You have no idea how much I appreciate this video. I've been lusting after the Jane Davenport pastels for ages but can't find a way to get them to Ireland that doesn't involve ridiculous shipping fees and then Import tax etc . Will definitely try some of the eyeshadow ideas! Great video as always!!
I had a great experience ordering jane items on craftstash.co.uk. I placed a large order, didn't pay shipping costs (from uk to the netherlands!) and received the items within 2/3days ;)
Yay!!! I have all of Jane Davenport’s pan pastels because I got them on discount via scrapbooking made simple and the wands! I just love dipping into all mediums and different crafts🥰
I didn't even know about Jane Davenport! Thanks! Off to research...
Hi Lindsay ❤ I have been buying lots Lol and I am interested in the 20 pure color set of pan pastels. I just replaced my Carbothello Pastel Pencil set and a friend is gifting me any art supply I choose in two weeks 🎉🎉🎉 so I am having fun looking around. Thanks for the comparison!
Blick has the 20 painting sets for $84: shrsl.com/4i8xd
I love when you use the Jane Davenport line! Will you be doing more soon? Thanks Lindsay You are the best!!!!
Very good video, and shorter than usual. I luv it!!💕 thanks for listening.
This was a wonderful and very helpful comparison, Lindsay! Thanks so much!
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this. 😊
Great review! Was watching some JD tutorials on her pastels and wondered if they could be used in the same way as pan pastels.
Powder makeup highlighters are great iridescent subs.Some even come as loose powder.
createinspain ty!!!
Eye shadow is probably not archival. The pan Pastels will last for years. I just pull out the pans I need for my painting and put them around my work area not in the trays.
This is a good point. I hadn't thought about powders being archival or not - just paint. I wonder if anyone's tested it in eg full sunshine for a year, versus being kept in a drawer?
Would you consider comparing how easily they blend? I watched another video that showed that the Jane Davenport did not blend together as nicely as the pan pastels and that the pan pastels seemed to have a lot more pigment in them. I don’t own either product yet.
What surface are you using to paint your colors on?
@@ss2003utube I do mostly mixed media in art journals but I ended up buying pan pastels and am very happy with them. Thanks
Do u have a video compare jd layer cake with a lower cost gouache that has similar colors, etc?
Do you apply them like oils? Never seen these or used make up. Do they blend wish you’d shown a short bit of swatching
Oh! My favorite eyeshadow was there. It's the fourth purple up. So, the dreaded question: When you are making cards, do you need to seal the pastels?
only if you use it thickly, I honestly usually dont
How are they when applying them on paper? Texture wise/ soft, smooth crumbly the Jane Davenport ones? How would they work for coloring faces and skin in coloring books? Can you use pencil crayons on top of the Jane Davenport? Does she have a colourless blender one?
Very nice comparison video. Thanks.
Great information Lindsay! Thank you for sharing!
Interesting! A pan pastel sampler or get Jan to come out with a primary and bright colors palette (essentially the painters set). I think getting Jane to do that would be more likely! I have the pan pastels but they’re all in the smaller 10 pan palettes because the 20 pan palettes were too big for where I store them. Yes they are only a couple of dollars different in price, but if you don’t have anywhere to put the larger one, it’s not a money saver! So I bought several more of the 10 pan palettes but I got them all on sale at Blick so it softened the blow - and got my pan palette sets on sale, as well.
So can you use your mica powder the same way as the pan pastels.Thank you
Yes
For reds, get blusher/contour makeup.
I am in Toronto Ontario, and I called Michael's tonight to see if they carried these Jane Davenport pan pastels and if they were available in the 18 sets. The lady told me on the phone they had them all and they were all on clearance here in Toronto for $14.99 which is less than half of the retail price here. I ran over and got all four. Going to try them out tonight. So if you are in the Toronto area you might want to call your local Michael's and ask. They were not marked down at the store they were on for $32.99 but at the checkout they are marked down. Lindsay if your reading I can't figure out how you snap them together could you please tell how that is done. Thanks for the tips. Aeriol
but the black palette part into the clear lid of the next one
I understand they are similar in terms of color, but what about similar in terms of blending, use with versamark, cleanup, use with other mediums, etc?
Very similar. I reckon the pigments are more lightfast in panpastel but that's about it.
Thanks Lindsay, great info. 💜
Can we use eyeshadow as cheap substitute for pan pastel. Will painting with eyeshadow work same as it?
Yes you can
Pan pastels in the UK are £7-10 each! Much cheaper in US
It is a Lindsay day for me! I would never have thought to wet an eyeshadow!?
Janie Sirak yep for your face i think you can spray your brush before or after picking up shimmer shadow and it should become more intense
i think water works but i’ve seen ppl use fix plus
Can you use these like pastel sticks, to paint a scene, for instance? I would love to see a painting done with both pan pastels and pastel sticks for comparison.
I do a side by side in this class: lindsayweirich.teachable.com/p/soft-pastel-for-beginners the course is 50% off through 2/28/19 with coupon code: COLOR
Question: can you use the deli paper to help stop smearing between pages of charcoal, soft pencil etc..? Attempting to make my own mixed media pad...thanks..you rock!
Sure!
I would say you need a spray fixative to keep the charcoal and chalk from smearing.
@@ss2003utube Hi Sheri! I use the spray fix for “important” stuff but this was just for sketching etc. just curious: what brand fixative do you use?
I love your comparison videos!!!
Hi Lindsay, great comparison, thank you. I want to try the Pan Pastel but I don't like the tools you have to use with them. Can you apply the Pan Pastel with a paint brush? I want to use them in my coloring books. If so, I might try the JD brand since they are cheaper, that is if I can find any left since they have been discontinued. TFS!
How would pressed powder foundation makeup work for skin tones? Have you ever tried using some and if it worked would it not take out a lot of the guesswork as the colors would be exact skin tones.
Huh, it would probably be fine
Thank you for doing this, great information.
Thank you for the comparison. I love Jane Davenport. But haven’t been able to buy any pastels. Or pan pastels due to prices and not being close to craft stores. But wanting to try them! The eyeshadow I didn’t know would be that close to pastels. so I’m going to use that and try that out! I just do art journaling so I don’t do anything super fancy. I love making faces. Thank you for this!
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I only dread the smudging using pastels. I love the pastel pencils from stabilo,not as soft as the bruynzeel. so not as much dust either; any tps on the smudging? my wrists now look like they are bruced,lol
Thank you so much for all the info! I truly appreciate the work you put into this! I was wondering if there's any way to "reconstitute " old stick pastels that we all have from ages and ages ago (the cheap ones) into a creamier pan type pastel. .. maybe grind it up and add glycerin? Something like that. If anyone can figure it out it would be you! ;)
i think you would need kolin or china clay to add to it to make it softer
Excellent thought! I have some sticks that just make it hard for me to do anything with and have been wondering if I could mash them up and do something with them, too. HMM
Thank you for this review. I bought a few pan pastels but never knew what to do with them. I have more of a variety of the JD palette pastels and ideas of what to do with them now. I like knowing that they are similar enough to pan pastels that I can play around and decide if I want to continue. I'm not a fan of how impermanent they are, compared to acrylic & oil paint, but I don't feel bad about playing around with a cheaper version, especially if they are going to give me similar results.
Great tips thank you for sharing.
Keep up the JD comparisons please!
Nice review...thanks for sharing!
Single Pan Pastels in the UK are $11.36. 🙃 Companies seem to use a flight across water as a reason to charge 3x the price for things here. Rather depressing, as the PPs are so lovely.
Wait, you can use eye shadow as pastel????! Is it the same thing?
Very similar, the pigments are cosmetic grade ND non toxic but they may be prone to fading.
I never heard of pan pastels before. Do you use water and a paintbrush like watercolors? That was my first thought that these are just pastel colored water colors but now I’m wondering if maybe they’re more like chalk? WHAT ARE THEY?
BTW I just ordered a bottle of NOW glycerin for about six dollars from Amazon I hope it’s similar to what you’ve been using and you’re happy with. At first they were priced at $12.00!!
You use pan pastels dry (with a dry sponge) but you can wet the paper after applying. You are not supposed to wet the pan.
I have those panpastels but the big issue is space they are so bulky ! I wish they were smaller
Yup, same here, I think I might try clipping my panpastel palette on table easels so I can have more out in less space because that is the main reason I don't use them more.
I would never use eyeshadow for professional use or on illustrations or on anything where quality is important. But to use eyeshadow as a practice medium would be okay.
Would love pan pastels, but they are so expensive.
Tell PP manufacture to make smaller disk
so.... how'd you USE the eyeshadows to swatch them? I try to use them in my art journal, and end up only getting a faint color. are you breaking a bit of it off and wetting it with a spritzer and then swirling to mix, and THEN using a sponge or brush to apply the color to the paper? i'm not accustomed to using pan pastels, or the like, so IDK how to apply them... TFS!! i have OLD eye shadow and pastel chalks (chalk pastels?) but those are the 2 'pastel' chalky like items i have/use and that's it. i have a lot more paints than i do stuff like *that* ...
I pick it up with a sponge tip applicator and put it on the paper
😍😍😍😍😍🤩
You said a set of 80 for $60-90. Did you mean a set of 20? If you love found them for what you said please let me know! The cheapest I’ve seen in us$ is $340!!
oh yes, a set of 20 colors for $60-$80, the 80 set is around $312 last I checked on amazon
I paid over $400 for my set of panpastels. Then I bought lids for each one
Set of 80 pan pastels in Australia $689. Or $16.95 each. Nah, I’ll pass!
eye shadow color.................why??? Why no link for the eye shadow? I"ll tell ya why, its totally irrelevant to the subject!
How is it irrelevant? Eyeshadow It's a soft chalk like powder pretty similar. I think your just ignorant to what eyeshadow is
Whoa, No more coffee for you!
😘😘😘
Like most Jane Davenport she takes a good product, copies it not so well and everyone buys it. Have no idea why.
I used to think so myself, but then I realised that she's actually a bit innovative. It's all about her packaging/marketing. She caters to the art journaler as opposed to the fine artist. Her target market are those that just want to have a little fun with art journaling and like cutesy, quirky products. Also, JD tends to create her products to be used for particular subjects that you would have in journals, making it easier for people getting into art journaling to just jump in and have fun. Of course a fine artist would probably scoff at her products. It's all about her target market.
@@MariaRevArt I would agree with most of your points. The problem is that she charges fine art prices. That really annoys me.
@@ellietodd393 Not disagreeing with you, but its really on the people who choose to buy her products. I have similar issues with the Derwent company havig poor lightfastness ratings, but high prices on many of their supplies and certain fine artists buying their products and promoting them. At a certain point, its on the consumer, unfortunately.
@@MariaRevArt Very true. O bought the Procolour as they were promoted as artist pencils . Then the lightfast ratings were dreadful. My fault for rushing in. Lesson learnt. There is a lot of pressure in the Art and fear world to get the new things. Great marketing. Hard on those who are taught they need the latest to do good art.
@@ellietodd393 Very true. I try to take my time when deciding on new art supplies for that same reason.