*EDIT* ( I think we’re going to try them out again at some point with their cover of “High Hopes” I think I was a little harsh on the guitarist so I wanna see if he can pull it off, will give the points back 😉 - Andy) Hope we didn’t come across as too harsh toward the band, they weren’t bad, we just weren’t as impressed as we were led to anticipate from them. The Singer was a 10, amazing range and tone control. It was more the band we weren’t super driven by, Now we do realize this is a big song of theirs to where it may not be the best representation of what they’re capable of instrumentation wise, we want to give them another shot at some point so please comment below what you think is the BEST representation of the group. Thank you guys for watching! 😁🔥
@Mark LaBonte Tool definitely satisfies that musical desire, but sometimes the good ole’ classics are good for a reason, in terms of setting up the platform for other bands to take the torch and go to the next level, but I hear ya
Nightwish works, plays and behaves as a BAND. They don't have deep cuts and whatnot to showcase or boast with their skill only. Then, they are a symphonic metal band, so everything and everyone in the band follows and is under that rule. They don't care about singular skill and/or showing off. What is important to them is the music and the quality of it that they put out and the stories that they are telling. Next, the guitar player - his name is Emppu. As musicians, you should have noticed the guitar he is playing, which is a simple esp, which alone should tell you enough about him and the band. But let me spell it out for you. He is pretty much the rhythm section in the band and also add heaviness to the music, also he comes up and plays amazing riffs that fit the song like a glove and improve the songs. Also unlike every metal band, Nightwish has just him, not to guitar players and teh guitar is much less used in general in their songs because one he is just one and second nightwish is a symphonic metal band. Then the drummer - his name is Jukka. I love the guy to death. He has tons of energy always and brings it to every song, his drums sound amazing and again much like Emppu he plays what the song needs and not a million fills per second to say "look how technical and fast I am". Just watch if you want the same song but performed with their new drummer Kai Hato to see and hear the huge difference in the feel and sound of the song. Kai is a lot more technical and drums a lot more like a machine, which in this particular song I hate, because it removes the warmth and feel that the song conveys and needs. Then, the guy on the synthesizers is Tuomas and he is the one that writes the vast majority of the songs and lyrics for the band. He is the reason for the band to be symphonic and if you go back and listen to the song again it will become obvious as it should have been from the start. And about nightwish not being pioneers. They started out in the 90's and are the pioneers of this genre, there are millions of bands that copied them throughout the years and tried to do what they were/are doing. Bands like epica, within temptation and so on. Which turned out to be good, because it pushed and keeps pushing the band to move forward, evolve their sound and music(it's not the only reason). Lastly the bohemian rhapsody comparison did you and the group a huge disservice and the millions of transitions, key changes and other things in this song alone flew over your heads. I could go on but it's time to stop with the rant. Cheers
Putting in Within Temptation as band inspired by Nightwish is not correct they both started at the same time and they did not know each other when they started. Both bands are considered pioneers in this style of music. BTW The band "The Gathering" with Anneke van Giersbergen started years before both bands. :-) th-cam.com/video/1HUMwinV2AQ/w-d-xo.html
@@ronaldboers8061 The Gathering is a totally different genre to Nightwish and Within Temptation. The Gathering is Progressive Rock. To name another great symphonic metal band from the 90s "Xandria" (started in 1994) The big 4 symphonic metal bands are Nightwish, Within Temptation, Xandria and Epica.
And God created music and said it is good Then he created Nightwish and said it is very good Then God created Floor Jansen And he dropped the mic Because he had created perfection from Jay B
If you want more Nightwish muscle try Romanticide from the same show Wacken 2013 ..or Weak Fantasy live Tampere...keep in mind guys this is Symphonic Metal ..not death metal or thrash metal or speed metal ....just a heads up ..
@Salty Kraken I've listened to most of the hardest metal you can name. I never felt emotions until Nightwish. Poet and the Pendulum made me cry. I didn't even know that metal songs could do that. Lyrically, musically, ability-to-perform-perfectly-while-live-ily, Nightwish puts most every other metal band to shame.
Drummer not that good?! WTF? You know how hard it is to change tempos and not miss a beat? There are several songs of theirs where he plays killer double bass ("Everdream" and "She is My Sin).
Steve Kanakanui These two are pretty much idiots. I quit watching their videos after this one. They try to act like they are knowledgeable music fans but in actuality they have no clue at all what they're talking about.
@@frankie467 its glaringly obvious isn't it? The musical brilliance on that stage is out of this world!! I'm surprised the stage didn't implode on itself. You have to be a dim witted fucktard to not see the brilliance of this composition alone....the transitions, key changes, tone...then add to that the mastery of the musicians and the way they handle their instruments, Jukka's skill..oh gods, Jukka's skill on those drums!!@ And Floor's vocals...she is technically perfect! There are very few singers who can do what she did in just this one song alone!!! She invokes tears in grown men and women alike. No pop "tart" can do that. These kids need a pop, a diaper change and a nap. Go listen to some Drake or Taylor Swift, idiots, it's clearly more your style.
This song is usually picked for Nightwish virgins because it's easy to listen to for most people that like any genre of music. It's not entirely representative of the whole catalogue of songs. Some of their songs are much heavier (Romanticide, Yours is an empty hope) some are more traditional rock (storytime, Elan) and a few are epic sweeping tales that switch tone between multiple parts (Ghost Love Score, Poet and the pendulum, The greatest show on earth.) It all depends on what your groove is. Then you've got the earlier stuff which was a lot more operatic due to the original singer being a classical singer. All of their tracks are polished and tight with every member of the band contributing to the song musically. The bass player is also a great vocalist, the drummer is now on the business end of the band due to illness and the guitarist isn't some fretboard wanking strutting ego, he's a superb guitarist but like a proper musician does what the song needs and doesn't use it for his own showboating. His riffs and solos are legendary when the song asks for it, the rest of the time he's there for the band.
Yep, you are definitely in college where you live in a sheltered, false reality. In the real world, the level of musical skill in this live performance is phenomenal, and an A+. Anyone can bang on a trash can and pig grunt/bear growl for vocals, but not everyone understands time changes, arrangements, and pristine singing.
Thank you for the honest reaction. I'm a middle-aged Finnish musician and a songwriter who really likes Nightwish as well as many other bands and artists. Nightwish has been around since the mid-1990s and they're much more well-known in Europe. Just don't believe the hype. Make your own opinions. This was a perfect example of someone hyping a band or just one of their songs too much. I really like them and also this song, so I understand the hype, but the song has nothing to do with Bohemian Rhapsody of course. :-) Nightwish really grows on you. They are very song oriented; everyone in the band is very good in playing their instruments but they always play what's needed for the song. The guitar solo, especially in this song, is not a flashy one but a "mood piece" just like many other parts throughout the song. The band is very good in creating an atmospheric soundscape and different kinds of moods and Floor Jansen (this current Nightwish singer) can deliver the songs the way that you could really feel it. I read a couple of other comments here and I'm also mostly into 1970s progressive rock and "classic rock" but I think you should give this "new band" another chance. :-) They're worth it. Just don't try to compare their songs (or don't listen to anyone else comparing them) to Bohemian Rhapsody, Stairway To Heaven or the best works of Johann Sebastian Bach :-) It's apples and oranges... and music is not a competition.
Vimana loved this comment. This is a perfect example of the engagement we love. We know our preference is just that ... a preference. It’s not a fact. I definitely can see the solo was held back and a lot of the other stuff was done to try to make the song shine not the individuals. As an American songwriter/singer/producer/performer that’s 100% the way I believe a song should be. But to me it wasn’t executed right here. I think the song fell a little flat. That being said I also see how the atmosphere could be appealing and grow on you. Overall though I loved your comment😊🙏🏼
Have to agree here - I also love this song, but it is very much hyped up because of Floor's vocal performance (which resulted in the 10 being given for them). There are other songs which give a much bigger highlight to the other members of the band and will suit different tastes.
You might like Romanticide or Song Of Myself from this same show. Listen to it without the influence of inaccurate descriptions and anticipations like the one you listened to this song with. Just "listen." Thanks guys!
In your opinion I can hear that your criterium for good music is mostly focussed on things like technical skills, impressive guitar, and so on. When you grow up ;-) I am sure you will focus on important aspects as there are: functional playing, deliver a message, harmonic and rhythm information and congeneric signs in relation with the lyrics. FE The way of drumming in this song is mostly about inserting energy and not about technics of drumming. For a bit show-off skills of this guitarplayer listen to Romanticide: th-cam.com/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/w-d-xo.html
It looks like you were expecting that each of the band member to show off. All of them work hard for the benefit of the song. A drummer's goal is to emphasize the moments of the song at the right time. This is not a common skill and Jukka excels in it. Emppu not very good on guitar? He integrates his solo perfect in the song - not too complicated. As for Floor and Marco - flowless. Tuomas is a great composer and song writer.
Yeah I think you are wrong... terribly wrong. Its`s one thing to say we don`t like the music, thats totally fine. But saying the drummer isn`t good for instance, is just showing how you lack of knowledge in this area. This drummer is playing very complex drumsets without missing one single beat in the complete concert. And the guitar solo comment, was as well far from reality. If you know the band you would know that they are 100% teamplayers. The guitar solos intention was not to show off how good the guitarist is, it had to lead into the small intersection and had to build up the scene for the next part of the song. Also in other concerts (like the one from Buenos Aires 2015 I think) you can hear the crowed singing along with the guitar which is absolute fantastic. Check out Romanticide`s guitar solo if you wana see more. All the muscisians in Nightwish are extraordinary and technically there no other Band out there that can compete with them. Imagine the guitarist is alone, there is no second guitar in the band, he is playing this all alone. And Floor is maybe the best vocalist in Metal at this time. Her range and sustainability is awesome. Check out Romanticide or I want my tears back from the same concert and you will have a better view on Nightwish.
Well...it really depends on what you mean by "muscles" You know, Nightwish is a Symphonic Metal Band, and for them showing up their muscles actually means showing off how much symphony they can do. I think you are judging them with the wrong parameters, because I think that what you actually mean by "muscles" is how technically far the single musicians can go. That would probably be a good judging meter for a progressive metal band, not so much for a symphonic one. You don't judge an orange by how much of a lemon it is, because it just isn't. In Symphonic music what matters is the symphony outcome, that is the combined effect of all the instruments. This means that not a single instrument can go on its own way showing off its "muscles" if the song doesn't require it. So you won't see the guitarist or the drummer showing off just because they can. If your only judging meter is the technical difficulty of the song, you probably need to add more dimentions to your judging meter.
Exactly. I almost recommended "greatest show on Earth" as a great example of Nightwish then realized they'd run into the same thing, even with how incredible the arrangement is. I'm not really expecting much from this channel. Their other reviews / reactions all used the technical ability meter as really the only metric.
It's obvious they know nothing about music technicality, or music in general. Stick to the pop songs on the radio, kids. They shouldn't be too difficult for you to understand..technically, lyrically or otherwise.
GLS in a song from Nightwish that first & foremost showcases their current female lead vocalist Floor Jansen, who became their official new female vocalist in 2013, not much before this Wacken Open Air 2013 performance in front of 82 000 fans. I took a look into your previous reactions & discovered three reactions to Iron Maiden, which is why I decided to share what Steve Harris, the founder, principal composer & bassist/keyboardist of this world's all time greatest metal band IRON MAIDEN said about Tuomas Holopainen & Nightwish with Anette Olzon (Their female lead vocalist before Floor Jansen) in 2015 before he had heard their latest album "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" with Floor on vocals. Steve Harris: "“When I heard [2007’s] Dark Passion Play, I couldn’t believe it. I thought, ‘Now, this is a proper fucking album.’ It’s got everything bar the kitchen sink in there. It was controversial because of the new singer Anette Olzon, but she was brilliant. No disrespect to Tarja, but Anette’s voice suited them a lot better. There’s heavy stuff, classical, even a bit of Disney - all kinds of shit in there. I think it’s one of the best-sounding albums I’ve ever heard in my life. Then I got the next one, [2011’s] Imaginaerum. Storytime is a fantastic, instant song. The rest of the album took me a while to get into. Dark Passion Play was so good, I thought there was no way they could ever come up with an album that’s anywhere near that, but the more I got into Imaginaerum, the more I loved it. I haven’t heard the new one with Floor Jansen yet, but those two albums for me - I don’t think there’s anything else that I’ve heard out there that’s even close.” These words from Steve Harris came form this 2015 article in "Metal Hammer" magazine: "How "Nightwish became a modern metal phenomenon" www.loudersound.com/features/how-nightwish-became-a-modern-metal-phenomenon which might be an interesting read to all of their fans.
GLS isn't for everyone, nor does it showcase Nightwish at their best IMHO. People like to react to it because it showcases Floor's vocals very well, and the whole cinematic orchestral thing that they do, but it's not by far their best song at all. Also if I had to say something of theirs is Bohemian Rhapsody of metal, it would be The Poet and the Pendulum, not GLS. 😜 I do recommend checking out the High Hopes cover, you might be much more impressed by Mr. Vuorinen's skill on guitar -- and the vocal chops of the bassist, Marco Hietala. It will be their own spin on it, though, so approach it with an open mind -- nothing too different, just the feel of it.
@@andyandalex just shows you actually have no idea about music. The solo was suited to the song. Do you expect a synyster gates type solo on that type of song? Who gives a shit if you think the drum fills are basic. The first thing you should have noticed is the energy and how hard he hits the drums. No other drummer replicates his feel. They have a new drummer due to health issues who is technically better than him ( this guy taught the drummer in this video) but not better than him as he doesnt bring the same feel
@Salty Kraken Not Great in whos eyes ..The US is actually the only market that they dont sell big(which is changing by the way ) ..Go across the pond Anywhere in Europe or South America or Asia and then tell me that ..you're funny
@@stevekanakanui7033 no wonder this clown is so delusional. The US can't produce anything even close to this caliber of talent! Ere go, he wouldn't know what real talent sounds like.
@Salty Kraken Overproduced? not many songs? not organic? Holy fuck are you clueless. They have over 125 songs, been putting out albums since 1996. They have been doing almost every imaginable genre of music. They have said they are doing music only to make music that is missing from the World and that they want to listen at the time, instead of making commercial shit. Most of most HC Nightwish bands are from Finland, and if you are saying they haven't heard metal, you must be close to braindead when it comes to metal music
"Bohemian Rhapsody of metal" was a bullshit claim and one that doesn't much help appreciation of this band when you go into the reaction with a notion of this kind. More than once, though, I have seen the singer, Floor Jansen, being compared with Freddie Mercury. I think that comparison is actually fair; Floor is arguably even technically better. You've actually seen nothing yet of her stunning versatility (opera, belting, screaming, growling, Celtic-woman folk voice, sultry jazz...) As to the song, it is an outlier in the band's oeuvre, and I can understand that it is not to everyone's taste. Nightwish is very diverse, with a portfolio from thrash metal to folk ballads. If you explore further, I'm sure you will find something you like. They're also not a stupid or superficial band. If you have a few minutes, go and read some of their lyrics. I'd also like to answer some of what I read in the other comments here. One of the comments I saw talked about "cheese". Now "cheese" comes in many flavors and is a matter of definition. If understood as meaning "full of holes, shoddily made", this is simply not true with regard to Nightwish, and an hour's delving into their catalog will show that. If understood as "not intended to be serious art", this is also not true. The musical language of Nightwish is, however, extremely no-holds-barred romantic. It's an artistic choice. If that is understood by some as "cheese", all I can say is, you have to embrace the cheese then to appreciate this band. Another comment said "nameless metal band". That is ignorant. Nightwish is among the five best-known and best-selling metal bands in Europe and Latin America (North America sometimes seems slow to catch on to things that are huge in the outside world), and outside North America Floor Jansen is a metal superstar who has a frigging beetle named after her (I kid you not: google "Tmesisternus floorjansenae Weigel"). So, thank you for your honest reaction; it is much appreciated. If you decide to give Nightwish another try, I suggest "Yours Is An Empty Hope", live in this version: th-cam.com/video/XtXqUNB8zrU/w-d-xo.html. (Yes, it's the same singer.)
@@andyandalex Howdy lads...I've been following you for awhile, and I have to admit--this is the first review that I disagree with you..(I know, music and tastes are completely subjective...) but: you guys simply NEED to give them another chance and do "The Greatest Show On Earth" - It's about Life (guest performer: Richard Dawkins)...and mops the floor with this. It will change your life
I'm with these other guys. Romanticide keeps having me go back because it is much heavier and more metal and shows her vocal diversity more to me as well as the bassists vocals.
I think you guys would enjoy Romanticide. It charges out at 100mph and never lets up, like Metallica at their most aggressive, and all the band get to show off their chops. C'mon, you said you would give them another chance, it's been two years!
Hello. Since this is your first reaction to Nightwish. I will give you a short history speech, "The Ann Waychoff" speech (a short / concentrated history of the band): Nightwish was started in 1996.They are considered a female fronted symphonic metal band. They are from Finland. Tuomas Holopainen, the keyboard player, composes and writes the lyrics for 95% of their music. Marco Hietala is the Bassist and vocals .And there is the guitarist Emppu Vuorinen . Then there is Troy Donockley from UK who is a multi-instrulmentalist and vocals. Jukka Nevalainen is the drummer. In 2015 due to Jukka's health issues Kai Hahto became the drummer and now his status became permanent. Nightwish has had three singers. 1st one was Tarja Turunen (Operatic vocals). She was with them until 2005. The 2nd one was Anette Olzon from Sweden (Poppy, strong vocals). She was with them until 2012.The 3rd and current singer is Floor Jansen, from Netherlands (power, operatic, soprano.....most versatile) - you just saw her. There are live concerts that you should use depending on what era. From Wishes to Eternity and End of an Era (Tarja), Montreux Festival live 2012 and Exit Festival (Anette), Live at Wacken 2013, Live at Wembley, Live at Tampere, Vehicle of Spirit live (Floor). I hope this helps. I want to welcome you to the Nightwish community. I hope you like them enough to continue the journey. Believe me Nightwish will surprise you with their songs. You will never know what to expect. They are unbelievable live. I want to warn you that Nightwish fans are hard core. So be prepared. lol I would like to recommend "Romanticide" live at Wacken 2013 th-cam.com/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/w-d-xo.html Thank you.
@Planet Sidewinder Hello, the last update I got about Ann's condition is from GoFundMe page www.gofundme.com/annwaychoff , 8 days ago: "I wanted to share Jim’s (Ann's husband) latest update on Ann: She's doing better. She still can't sit up for any period of time, but I want her to try getting on her computer this week if for only short periods of time. She did get the package (sent by a fellow Nightwish fan) and of course she cried. Hopefully you'll be seeing her on all her sites in the very near future. Thanks for checking in."
7.4?!?!?! Jesus Christ. You're not musicians. I know you aren't because you don't grasp how difficult it is to change tempo, change mood, etc. You clearly don't grasp how difficult it is to compose lyrics and music like that, never mind perform it ON POINT FLAWLESSLY LIVE IN FRONT OF 82000 PEOPLE WITH A PRACTICALLY BRAND NEW LEAD SINGER. I just. Wew lads.
Nightwish fans love this song.. I’ve been a Nightwish fan since about 2002 and to a degree NW has eclipsed Iron Maiden as my all time favorite band.. About 60% of reviewers doing this song either hate it or have a similar view of the band right at first listen. My experience watching these reviewers is that those who have gone on to listen to more NW don’t regret it. Something seems to click after the second or third song. I think the key ingredient that connects NW with its fan base isn’t the tight instrumentation or even Floors vocal prowess. It’s how they use that instrumentation and how Floor uses her voice to connect extremely deep, emotional, and human lyrics with their fan base. Ghost Love Score is probably not the first song that I would recommend to new reviewers just because of its marginal success rate of hooking new audiences. People either love or hate it at first listen. My recommendations are Shudder before the Beautiful and Storytime for more traditional rock/metal stuff.. On the heavier side, Yours is an Empty Hope or Romanticide are good candidates. This band has so many dimensions that its hard to determine which one will connect with someone. Poet and the Pendulum and The Greatest Show on Earth are their most epic performances. I’ve seen grown men cry watching Poet and the Pendulum. Anyone who has experienced deep betrayal and sincere regret in their lives should be able to connect with the lyrics in that song. Nightwish more than anything is a sum of its parts. All the musicians are extremely talented and shine in their own way and at their own time. If someone is looking for consistent heavy chugs or shredding for the sake of shredding, Nightwish is not going to be the band for them. If someone is willing to take the time, digest the music and look for the deeper meaning behind the Iyrics think Nightwish will eventually become a go to part of their music catalog. Good review.. Great feedback. I like the honesty. Don’t give up on NW yet :)
Marginal success rate at hooking new audiences? Apart from these two young lads the only bad review I ever saw of this performance from anyone - and I've watched hundreds - was from an opera singer whose head was up her own arse and expected manic solos every few minutes because that is what she thought all rock bands do.
This is the deeper cut that fans love. Most people request this version to hear the singer. The album version is a different vocalist, And the last note not there. The far heavier songs by them are: Romanticide live from Wacken 2013 Yours is an Empty Hope live from Nightwish Cruise (2015) Weak Fantasy live from Tampere, Finland 2015
What you need to understand on nightwish, everything is meant to be as one, it's not meant to be that one no specific instrument sticks out over the other too much, it's about the whole composition. Take it as if it would be a piece of classical music, everything works for the song as a whole. That doesn't mean that the musicians are basic, it just means they don't show off unless it's part of the composition/song. I think you'd rather appreciate Romanticide, Yours Is An Empty Hope, The Poet And The Pendulum (take care on this, its heavily flagged for copyright), Song Of Myself,... This song and version is more about the singer Floor Jansen I'd say. The song is beautiful, but not necessarily their best, in my opinion. Try the other songs I mentioned above, you'll like those more for sure 😁 and there are many more to discover also with different styles and moods.
I still give you props for speaking your mind, but you clearly went into this with a bias cause of what you'd read, that this the equivalent of "Metal's Bohemian Rhapsody"! I'd suggest you take it for what it is! Yes - you're right that the guitarist isn't anything special, but Nightwish isn't about the guitar work! It's all about the orchestral arrangement and the soaring vocals above that! This is some of the best symphonic metal music you'd get to hear.
I think you're right on when you said the middle of it felt like the Pirates of the Caribbean. Some of the song also reminds me of LOTR. One thing, in my opinion, that may help with this song is to remember the title "Ghost Love Score" and think about it as a movie score as opposed to a metal song. It has an epic feel to it but with lulls, kind of like a battle scene that has highs and lows. I think people request this song because it is easily accessible to a majority of listeners. I grew up with Sabbath, Deep Purple, Nazareth, Hendrix, etc. and I really like symphony and orchestral music as well so for me it's a win-win. :-)
I think its weird for anyone to call Ghost Love Score the Bohemian Rhapsody of metal. I think maybe if one of their songs merits that comparison it would be Poet and the Pendulum. Your comment on the drumming at the end though...i'm thinking is going to be responsible for the majority of any dislikes you get on this. The drum work on this performance was exceptional.
yours is an empty hope from nightwish cruise has Floor doing growls and is more the darker side of their genre....Nightwish - Yours Is An Empty Hope (LIVE)
For another great metal ballad with a (male) vocalist whom I personally tend to call "The next Freddy Mercury", check out Yannis Papadopoulos from the band "Beast in black" with their song "Oceandeep": m.th-cam.com/video/UpVkvWjRYzk/w-d-xo.html 🎥 BEAST IN BLACK - Oceandeep (LYRICS) - TH-cam He also covered Ghost Love Score as a solo vocalist though: m.th-cam.com/video/nfZxu1aQzp8/w-d-xo.html 🎥 Nightwish - Ghost Love Score (Vocal Cover) - TH-cam Those high notes he's able to reach are incredible...
I'd rather go to concerts like this forever than go to heaven. This music speaks to my inner most self. It's a primal thing. It brings joy to my life. I don't believe she uses any auto tune or at least it's very little but her voice is so angelic, if there is such a creature. Her voice is so crisp and she shows so much passion. It's hard to describe but the way her vocals , and other performers , it really speaks to our inner selves. I don't believe in souls or anything supernatural but to me this music speaks to our natural emotions and just gives us so much joy, whatever that is called , whether it be a soul or what, music speaks to people. And that's the most beautiful thing.
Tough to judge a band on one song, and this doesn't tell the full story of Nightwish. Maybe in your spare time, give a listen to Romanticide or Ghost River from this same show and see if you feel differently. If not, move on. BTW, just stumbled on your channel a few days ago and you guys take me back to my high school and college days 30+ years ago discovering a lot of the same music. Really enjoy your reactions, cheers!
@@jasonbodden8816 Im relaxed...they can have they re own options and music taste...of course...Im not like that...but they re explanation,it was realy stupid, arrogant and fake...they should have Said...we dont like this kind of music...but " as musicians we are..."as musicians NW are remarcable...but people may not like they re music
Lol. I'm a musician and your claims from that stance I guess I gotta be on the opposite side. I come from ERG and prog metal background and this band has become a huge favorite for me because they are unique in arrangement and orchestration and have tons of depth you don't find in American bands. You said a lot of the middle sounded like it's been done before (forgot specifically what you said). Hmm... by whom? Legit question. I've heard symphonic elements before but idk, not done this well and not as a PART of the music (instead of just chordal embellishments to go under the guitar lines). I'm not dumping on you for your opinion. And not trying to defy it. But if I had to bottom line this, I'd say that as a metal musician myself, this band did take me a few passes before I finally got to the core of it. So too it might be necessary for you. And I kick myself for not doing it sooner. Or not. Whichever. Hope you find another cut from the you like better.
I never saw Pink Floyd- live( Huge Gilmour fan). I saw Queen and Rush 2x .This was 79 through 84( both bands in their Prime).. Foreigner, Styx, AcDc x2, Foghat, Whitesnake, Pat Benatar, Heart, Journey ( all in their Prime) Many other bands, as well. I have never seen any that can compete with this band- live ( Rush would be close)… I never advise Ghost Love Score as a first listen for this band. After you go down the Nightwish Rabbit hole, Ghost Love Score-- you learn to appreciate.. Find me someone that can sing like this lady!. This song does not show off some of the magical things they do, but showcases this singer's huge abilities....Go ahead and check out High Hopes from End of an ERA.. Emmpu does Gilmour justice.. The drummer is a beast and you are the first I have ever heard anyone say anything negative about him...This band may not be for you guys... maybe you will sample some more and reconsider your opinions, maybe not. You just listened to one of the most talented bands -ever.. You may not like that song or the band, but you can not honestly deny the talent.
First negative review I've seen on this song and honestly your criticisms were a bit silly and unfounded. Goes to show no matter how incredible you are people will still try and find a problem instead of being positive. Y'all just some haters.
Hardly a "negative review" if you want to be honest about it. It just wasn't over-the-top Nightwish worship like the great majority of reactors. This genre is going to sound very strange to American ears. It works great for me, but its not for everybody.
Not everyone has to like what you do jsk8. Doesn't make them a hater , makes them into a different genre . Personally I think this one is a great production . But so is Hallowed Be Thy Name by Iron Maiden . And UFO has a live album that should knock your socks off , but probably won't if this is your only cup of tea.
Ghost Love Score is a great song in many ways. But if you're not into it, that's perfectly fine as we all have our own tastes. If you want to see the guitarist get busy, watch Romantiside, which is also a much more traditional metal song. You might also try 'yours is an empty hope' live from their Nightwish cruise. You don't need to react to those if you don't wish, but just to familiarize yourselves with some of their heavier side. But yes, that is why they are called a symphonic metal band. This was from the Imaginarium tour and their goal was to create more theater and less straight forward thrashing rock. Every show was sold out. In SF it was sold out in 3 days, for example.
Gilmour uses a lap steel for that solo... my prediction: You will not like it. You will compare it to Gilmour. You will compare the voices and, really, since the band went over your head, already, so will this.
@@andyandalex Come on guys ....does it really matter ?? ..They made it their own..and it sounds amazing ...why doest it always have to be about solos and runs on the drums ..try sitting back and just enjoying the music dont be so analytical geeeez ..
I have never ever judged a band from one song, learned that from the 60's on! Try Romanticide from the same Wacken concert for the heavier side of Nightwish (th-cam.com/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/w-d-xo.html) or Ghost River (th-cam.com/video/05eitd-EA6I/w-d-xo.html) and for a great cover of High Hopes (Pink Floyd) (th-cam.com/video/4oEDnVeYYyM/w-d-xo.html) all LIVE which is the only way to experience Nightwish. Floor Jansen, the 6' 1" Dutch dynamo vocalist is an amazing performer with power, range and stage presence that you can't believe. I am a fanatic for Queen and been a fan a long time (saw them LIVE 3 times) and I will say this right now after being a fan of Nightwish and their 100+ songs from 1996 to today, they are on the level of Queen and there are very few bands I place on that level. This bands does ballads, folk metal, trash metal, heavy rock and even some pop and their musicianship is amazing especially when you realize this is all LIVE and a lot of it is open air festivals. You need to hear a good number of songs to get the right feel for a band. Cream, Doors, Hendrix, Mountain, Santana, Jethro Tull, Yes, Humble Pie and other great bands never would of made it if they had to depend on one song and frankly, having than one great song is the only way to show how good you really are. Honest reaction to symphonic metal band, hopefully you are still open to hearing more before you right them off, but then again this genre may not be in your wheelhouse to appreciate. Comparing songs is nonsense so forget the hype and listen to the songs on their own terms.
I think your method of analysis for music itself is problematic. Just a personal view. The way you 'scored' and 'analysed' seemed to me like you broke down the song/score to its individual parts, the guitarist and his solo, whether the drummer was doing some great things, the fact the there seemed some commonality with movie scores like PotC, the voalist and her range etc. To me that is just not the way any music should be analysed, at least from a listener's perspective. Again, my first video of you guys, so this is pretty early reaction from my end too. But for me when a group of people come together and create music, its not about the individual parts, but about what is created when all of them come together. This is a classic example of the whole being much greater than the sum of its parts. Is it revolutionary?? Almost surely not. But not everything can be. Is it great? Most definitely. I completely agree with you that other than Floor's vocals, nothing about the individual musicians is extraordinary or the fact that a lot of their ideas are derivative and brought together from a wide variety of other genres. But what you seem to have failed to recognise a little is when all those small individual parts were brought together by this group, what was created was really really damn good.
This band is number two, after Pink Floyd, on my personal best list and that has a reason. This is powermetal/ symphonic metal; metal with a classical music background. This genre also has a huge female fanbase where the so called hardcore metal is a very male business. Nighwish has a very very huge worldwide fanbase. I recommend you listen and see the whole live concert at Wacken. Or the last live concert in Wembley stadion. The song: "the poet and the pendulum" or "song of myself" are good ones. The last album is very good but that one needed also more than one time hearing before full appreciation. I needed also more than one time listening to them to become a real fan. Their music is much more complicated than you think and their texts are deeper than you think. The singer, Floor Jansen was born about 5 miles from where I live in the Netherlands. Listen to the band Ayreon; the live concert Universe, If you want more Floor Jansen. See channel of Arjen Anthony Lucassen; he is Ayreon. Ayreon uses guest singers and musicians from very well known metal and rock bands on their albums. Ayreon (symphonic metal) is also in my top 5 bands but the music is even more complex and very different from Nightwish. Their albums are magnificent. Begin with "the electric castle"
TerranigmaQuintet power metal, progressive metal, progressive rock, experimental rock. The problem is that Ayreon, even in a single song, mixes different music styles. Just because the operatic style I call it symphonic metal but you can even call it rock opera or metal opera. I just don't know.
A reaction video is a reaction video. Music is a personal thing, and if you rate this like 7-8, that's fine. In general, take in the act. It might be that their style of music is not 100% your cup of tea, but they absolutely killed it that night. This particular performance was in front of a crowd of 100.000 people, and I doubt anyone wanted his or her money back. The drummer. I hardly doubt either of you have ever played with a drummer coming close to this level. Sure he won't be the God of all drummers, but this is a strong performance, and remember it's not one song, but an entire setlist. Floor is a very capable singer and she has very good control of her voice. If you cannot hear the difference in her singing between the parts, I can see how the first 7 minutes of the song might come across as lengthy. Once you start digging into her voice, and start learning to hear the differences between voice types/breath/and so forth, you'll start to appreciate the performance more.
Agree, except when you said Floor is "capable". I think you're vastly underselling her. This is the first time I have heard of or seen any footage of Nighwish, and her vocals "floored" me, excuse the pun. "Goddess" come to mind for me.
@@Paul-ow9gj I said she was VERY capable. And yes, you are right, that's still underselling her. However, obviously, we are fans. I tried to give a more balanced view.
When you say things like “ In the middle you were laughing,it was like a metal version of Pirates of the Caribbean” then it’s best not to say anything,even genuine reactions are best left unsaid,this is symphonic Metal at its best,pisses over anything Evanescence have done,to the band and fans it’s not just a song but a story told in all its glory,sorry but when it’s comes to this genre and it’s music you really have no idea!!
It is not Gothic, it is Symfonic Metal, and sometimes with a little touch of celtic. I have respect for your words. But when you heard the front women of Nightwish from the past, then you know why lot of people like Nightwish even more, specialy with Floor as the frontwomen . Floor jansen is from the Netherlands, and indeed she did the rock academy, and opera school, and she is married to the drummer of SABATON, and she is a mom and they live in Finland. and what a good drummer he is, perfect, it is so difficult to change from beat on a drum, they are all so good, that's why Nightwish is so good, they can play difficult music. I love Nightwish.And maybe because i am Dutch, and Floor is Dutch, bur i love Tarja also, because i don't have a voice like that, i can't play and sing like that. It is art!
I’m a major (Floor Jansen era) Nightwish fan, but always remember guys... you are NEVER wrong in expressing your authentic *SUBJECTIVE* opinion in a calm and kind manner!! Nightwish fans who love them won’t suddenly decide to hate the band because someone isn’t blown away. Personally, I’m disappointed by reaction after reaction after reaction that doesn’t recognize what a seriously great bassist Marco is! That doesn’t change my (subjective) belief that he’s a vastly underrated musician in general, but especially on bass. And I also really like that the parts specifically written for Emppu, the guitarist, don’t stand out in a way that jars the flow of the song. It’s always written and played as a compliment to the overall composition and performance of each piece. For all we know, he could spend post-recording and post-tour downtime shredding at home along the lines of Steve Vai, Yngwie, Paul Gilbert, Tobin Abassi, John Petrucci, etc... All of the members of the Nightwish are proficient if not excellent technical musicians, I think the everyday non-musician would recognize that. For those of us who *are* musicians, you understand what it takes to go from beginner to intermediate to advanced to great enough to earn a spot as the headline act at major music festival (regardless of your specific instrument) because you have the whole package. (Don’t me get started on pop though 🤢). When you take 5, now 6 (since the permanent addition of Troy on various pipes and stringed instruments and vocals) uniquely gifted musicians and put them on a stage together, and this is dependent on soooo many factors, you can have the average decent show, you can have a train-wreck, or you can have what Nightwish has: the sum is greater than the parts. 1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 = 20 (more or less depending on your preference for a specific genre or band). As far as well known symphonic metal bands go, which are intended to be somewhat theatrical, given the operatic or partially operatic element contrasted by the hard rock with metal elements (don’t beat me up, Nightwish army! I’m am one of you!! 😭😭😭), Nightwish is the Top of the top; and they get better as they mature more & more like the rest of us do as we age... in so many aspects of their lives which & is absolutely reflected in their music. No, it doesn’t and won’t appeal to all, like straightforward, traditional black metal “Im about to puke on the whole front row” distorted vocals doesn’t appeal to me. Surprisingly as a symphonic metal fan in general, I realllly dislike opera unless I’m watching it performed live. I love the band Nightwish. I absolutely adore Floor. Annette was pretty damn good as the place-holder (let’s be honest) in 2nd vocalist position (and I really like the Dark Element & her solo stuff). Honestly, and apologies to old school Nightwish purists who still lament the messy parting of ways with Tarja, given that I despise opera, for the most part, I knew of Nightwish but only appreciated and started to like Nightwish the first time I heard Amaranthe. The first time I listened to them, it was a song sung by Tarja, and her voice turned me off so much that I didn’t finish listening and can’t for the life of me remember what song it was. It could’ve been Ghost Love Score for all I know, but I hated it. In the end (R.I.P. Chester... I HAD to), that is ALL my personal *SUBJECTIVE* opinion. There is no right or wrong when it comes to art appreciation, regardless of the type of art. It, by nature, *IS* subjective. And for me, that’s what makes music so amazing to me, and why I’m happy to hear other people’s reactions, positive or negative. So, guys... you two keep doing what you doing and please (from a mom of two 20-something kids)... as I drilled into their brains, and want to remind you, keep an open mind (as you did), be kind (as you were), and never be afraid to speak your truth, rationally and with the understanding that there are other, valid perspectives (you also did that). If people don’t like it they can fuck off. That’s a reflection on them, not you. Brush it off and move along. Y’all are doing a great job as far as reaction channels go. 🤘🏻🎶
Never apologise for being honest! I'd like to throw a suggestion, kinda different : Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms. It's a pretty simple, straight forward and slow song, but Mark Knopflers guitar is so effortless yet expressive. It's from the 80's but the lyrics are still as current as ever. Also, I believe you would enjoy it.
I really like what you wrote, Riikka. Brothers in Arms is a beautiful song. "There's so many different worlds, so many different suns... and we have just one world but we live in different ones."
Yeah. Mark Knopfler is one of those (few) musicians, who is really able to paint a picture with his playing. Besides Brothers I also love Sultans of swing (one of my all-time favourite songs).
I hate people hyping up stuff like that for people experiencing something for the first time. It completely kills off the chance to give something a fair shake. People don't often understand that everyone hasn't drunk the kool-aid yet. If someone tries to get you to listen to 'The Poet and the Pendulum', don't do it blind. The song only really has impact if you know the history of the band. I like this metal band that no one else has really heard about, they have two singers, one singing normally and the other growling. They are 'The Wise Man's Fear', give them a try even if you don't do any reaction video. I understand you have to stick to bands people have actually heard of. Anyway, give these songs a looksee: "In Reach (Out of Touch)" - th-cam.com/video/TlGmPu18juQ/w-d-xo.html "The Deepest Dark" - th-cam.com/video/LklwOcNnLrI/w-d-xo.html
@darkchiron Yeah when I was editing the video I was actually like hmm, it actually isn’t rough as I initially thought, I just think the bohemian rhapsody comment messed it up for us prob
I been waiting for you guys to check this out. This band is epic, especially in concert. Every musician in the band is top shelf and Floor is a Norse Goddess. She is so f'n talented and she knows how to hold an audience. Great choice to react to.
@@EllenM1967 The Netherlands yes, I know. I have met the band on a couple of occasions on tour. When I referred to her as a Norse Goddess, I was referring to the power and the way she carries herself on stage, the way she commands an audience in concert. Her choice of apparel and imagery She is also very tall and quite athletically fit. When I speak, especially when describing some things aren't always meant to be taken literally.
@@RCullis47 If the Vikings invade, they should put her on the front of the first boat. A few of those high notes and the defenders wouldn't know whether to run or marvel. (Who else wants a Viking movie with that in it?? LOL)
As others have said, Nightwish is not a thrash/death metal band.and they usually don't go for that flashy solo by one member (although they easily could), but instead work best as a unit. And their diversity of songs is also one of their strengths, going from a song like GLS to heavier songs like Romanticide or Yours Is An Empty Hope to folk songs or long epic songs like Poet And The Pendulum or Greatest Show On Earth. That's why you can't judge them on one song. Hell, even A&P Reacts didn't like GLS or Nightwish on first listen, now they love them and GLS and have even attended one of their concerts. And just because you like heavier stuff doesn't mean you can't love Nightwish too. I listen to the full spectrum of metal bands and Nightwish is still one of my favorites. But I always appreciate honesty by reactors over faking it, because you can usually see through the fakers.
Randy Rhoads was heading into this direction with his music.........Emppu is a Rhythm guitarist, the lead is Tuomas's keys/piano. it's SYMPHONIC METAL......EDIT:you said they weren't innovative, i believe you're wrong the bands been around for over 23 years........
Ghost Love Score is a bit of a minefield. People either fall in love with it or get put off by it. And the hype monster can have a vicious bite. The band is full of very talented musicians who act like members of a mini rock orchestra in that they "serve the song." The guitar solo here almost acts as a subdued violin solo in its function.
This song is usually a reaction to Floor's singing. There are other songs that show off the band more. Oh my, that drummer is off the hook good. Please more.
Honest reaction is always ok and only right one...But really guys, if you just check on song and hear one short guitar solo on that, it does not mean that there is not longer solos on other songs and that guitarist plays something like you can learn in half hour...It is totally ok if saying that some music (or this) is not your kind of music but saying on reaction video that I can play better or learn in half hour(With out showing) is little bit childish and gives "Watch how great guy I am" effect. But no worries, I remember when I was in your age and knew everything about music and also was using even same arguments and found later that noup, I did not knew. There will time in future when you will do same observation, trust me....And there will be time when you demanding more from music, more details, more nuances, more everything. But back to the solos, here is some solos from Nightwish guitarists: th-cam.com/video/8dIjhA_yFuw/w-d-xo.html
@TTK2013 I hear ya, I may have been a little harsh, and I couldn’t really show you guys me playing in this video because that would’ve been weird if I just whipped out my guitar to prove a point, there is a video on the channel of me covering the bohap solo so you could check that out. But yeah I want to check out their high hopes cover, love Floyd and wanna give them a shot covering that great track, cheers man!
Yeah, that shows, how impressive his skills really are. But personally I like his slower melodic solos more (like this one on GLS, or Swanheart for another example).
@Koozebane Yeah we usually don’t but we accidentally saw it before and it was the most upvoted comment on the vid so yeah. We wanna try them again at some point though. Without weird presumptions
Hi guys, good reaction. Kudos for not faking it. I think you were fair, even though I disagree on some points. Nightwish is not about egos, its about songs. Instruments are arranged to serve the song, not to inflate egos. (That's what they say, not what I think.) So, the approach is a bit different when compared to some other metal groups. Besides that, they have been around 20 years, 8 albums, so there are wide variety of songs and styles from power metal to operatic to epic, symphonic (like this one) to radio play to songs with folky, celtic vibes. Maybe you won't like any of those, or maybe you will. We'll see if you'd do a few more nightwish songs.
@Esa Koivuniemi Well said friend! And I think we will check them out again, perhaps their High Hopes cover for Floyd? Want to see if they pull it off! 😁
Yeah everyone has opinions - mine: For quite some time now, my top four bands have been Rush, Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, and yes... Nightwish. Sure I hope you feel like giving them another chance, but mostly I hope you keep doing what you do the way you want to do it.
Hey guys! I love tuning in and hearing your reactions to all of these different songs! You guys do an AWESOME JOB and I agree with your reviews the vast majority of the time! However, I feel that this Nightwish performance was tremendous and the lead singer, Floor Jansen, who is a “Viking Goddess”, did an INCREDIBLE JOB with the vocals! Please check out other Nightwish cuts as they are a tremendous “Symphonic Metal Band”! They have opened my eyes to a different genre of music I probably would never have taken the time to listen to! I am so glad that I did! Happy New Year to you both and Be Safe!!!
More Than A Feeling is Boston’s biggest hit because it is radio friendly and appeals to wide range of people. I like “HollyAnn” better. But you really need to listen to “Something About You” and “The Journey/It’s Easy”
Expectations can kill an experience. Recently I listened to master of puppets with the same type of hype. It was ok, had a couple good guitar parts and liked the slowdown in the middle but overall it was just ok. I wonder if I wasn't told the song was the best metal song ever and just listened to it without expectations if I would've felt the same way.
Good honest reaction. Yes the guitar solo was not a "Pink Floyd" or "Rush" solo, however it was written to fit that position in the composition, and it was done flawlessly. And I think any other guitarist would have played it the same because that was how it was written. (my opinion--and everyone has one!!)
Thank you for sharing. Have wondered about Nightwish. (btw Brian May really Kicked Ass last night on QAL tour. (Made the guitar actually cry). (Never hate you....the message, according to Roger Taylor is....LOVE!) 😀❤️🌵
The point to the guitar solo was for it to fit the theme of the song. He shreds the CRAP out of that guitar, in Romanticide. It is all about fitting the theme of the song.
This is one of their slower, simpler songs, but a good intro song for them. Most of their stuff is a little faster and heavier and the bassist also does vocals on a lot of songs and he's just as talented as Floor. Check out Romanticide from the same concert. Much more impressive solo
You guys see things too much for the technical side of music. Like me when i was 20. Music is about feeling not technique. The techiniques are just tools. Ways to reach a kind of sound. I'm musician myself. Studied to play Clarinet and flute. Aplied my theoretical knowledge do learng guitar and bass by myself. I played very technical songs like, Iron Maiden, Stratovarius, Angra, RHCP, PFloyd, Sabbath, and others. Took me years until i opened my eyes(ears in this case) and learn that music can be good without being intricated. Nightwish is not about technique. Is about telling stories and trasmiting feelings.
Metal version of the pirates of the Caribbean is actually an accurate description of THIS song. Also consider Floor joined the band as the vocalist 48 hours before this performance. She is their third vocalist. Whomever compared it to Bohemian Rhapsody improperly set your expectations here. Bohemian Rhapsody has more than one vocalist and a lot of vocal interchange. There are quite a few songs by Nightwish where the female vocalist is lead, but the bassist sings as well. They have songs that are a lot more intense in terms of metal as well. This song was just epic in that it was live and Floor's performance was pretty incredible. There is a label about listening to her known as Floorgasm. This song was also originally sung by the first Nightwish vocalist Tarja. Tarja was almost purely opera in style. Floor can sing anything, but she was singing a Tarja song here... 48 hours... damn.... live... damn...
Floor did not join Nightwish 48 hours before Waken 2013. She joined while Nightwish was still in the western US, Seattle to be exact on October 1, 2012. The Waken show was August 3, 2013. I also find it hilarious that folks say things like.... "It sounds like dark Disney, Pirates of the Caribbean, Broadway, or a soundtrack" I mean... it is called Ghost Love SCORE!!!! We all know what a Score is...right? I'm guessing Tuomas planned for it to sound as such. Anywho... not trying to jab at ya Deva.
Watch the whole show Wacken Open Air 2013. Floor was literally filling in as lead singer on very short notice. Nightwish has been around since like 1996 and if you think they sound like a typical rock band idk what to say 🤔
I must say, I stumbled across your videos while looking for Tool concert footage, and really enjoy your reactions. I wish I could go back in time and experience my first exposure to all these great tracks you guys are sharing. You both seem to understand music and music theory and your reactions are insightful. I'm glad great rock is not entirely lost on your generation. This being said, I think you guys missed the boat a bit on this one. Never heard of this band before, never heard of Floor Jensen. I just stopped by to see your reaction. Ummm, this is pretty damn epic and you guys kinda ho-hummed it. It was complex, dynamic, emotional and powerful. Kind of a combination of Dream Theater and Evanescence IMO. The band was razor sharp, and ho-lee-krap Floor Jensen blew my hair back, especially on those vocal gymnastics at the end. I have since learned this is referred to as the "Floorgasm". And, uh my dude - That drummer was better than average as I've got some experience on the skins. He was rocking it out on the end. I've probably watched this video 20 times by now. And, I particularly like watching reactions from vocal coaches to this video. Without fail, the ones who have never heard Floor before are all have their hair blown back as well. I'll be checking out some more Nightwish. Thanks for the introduction!
@Paul Hey thanks Paul! I think we’re gonna try Nightwish out again sometime, I just think the bohemian rhapsody comment had us super skeptical. We just recorded a video for dream theatre a couple days ago, loved it. Honestly cutting edge musicians, bassist is insane.
@@andyandalex Yep, the Queen reference wasn't appropriate IMO. I saw Dream Theater few years back with Joe Satriani. I was exhausted half way through the show. This video had me running across some more weird euro rock. I'm sure you've had suggestions of Jinger - Pisces (Live Session) I won't ruin the surprise, but look out for the sucker punch.
I’m afraid you may have fallen into the trap of letting someone’s comment influence your opinion on a band. To be clear, THEY didn’t compare themselves to Queen. Someone did that for them. If you genuinely don’t like them, ok. You can’t like everything. But I feel like you may have had your mind a bit made up before hand. I’d say they’re more about the overall production than necessarily about blowing you away as musical virtuosos. Though, in my limited experience with the band, they can certainly do that as well. Of course, I could be completely off the mark. What do I know? I enjoy your work gents. Keep it up.
@Cpt. James K Morgan Yeah I hear ya, I think us reading that beforehand definitely effected how we approached it, will try to check them out in the future perhaps their high hopes cover, cheers friend! 😁
Any chance of first time hearing some Opeth ? Harlequin Forest from the album Ghost Reveries is a good starter. Love your honest reactions in your videos
This is not the "Bohemian Rhapsody" of metal. It is by the same band tho: The Poet and the Pendulum (Live at Wembley). Nightwish is extremely versatile. Everything from ballads, to basic heavy songs, epic long songs, even trashy stuff.
Guys, you kinda missed the point. This song was released in 2004. It has been covered by all three of their singers. The Wacken show was outstanding as a live performance. If you recall Bohemian Rhapsody had an operatic section which this composition had and Floor sang in her lyric register. I don't agree it is the Bohemian Rhapsody of anything. Regarding Metal Music this falls into a sub genre called Cinematic/Symphonic Metal. The orchestrations and choral parts are written by Tuomas (keyboards) and are arranged and recorded by concert musicians. The title Ghost Love SCORE should have given away the fact that it was a score and not a tune. As a performing musician myself, truly great players play to fit the song. The guitarist and the drummer are two of the best I've listened to (trust me I've heard them all at my age) in that they aren't trying to prove how great they are. Bassists aren't lead players and guitarists don't have to shred even if they're supposedly playing metal. The solo was a melody...the melody and fit perfectly in the arrangement. Telling us you've heard better from local musicians tells me you don't get out much. Once you leave the bar circuit you will meet those who don't play everything they know in one solo. Check out Phil Brown's Live In Seattle. There's a studio guy who can play anything and rips up a Strat doing his arrangements of Jimi's tunes. When you hear his studio tunes he doesn't use 1/3 or what he knows. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am sorry you started off under a misconception. The US isn't the home of this genre of music. Nightwish has been around for over 20 years and in Europe, Japan, England, South America, etc. are considered one of the greatest bands ever to take the stage or pick up an instrument. The Northern European rock roots are not steeped in R&B or Blues. Those kids have different musical traditions. Nightwish had only sold 500,000 units in the US up to 2012 according to Billboard. Worldwide they're in the millions. Your review makes sense with that in mind.
No one can ever say a bad word about Floor. She is indeed phenomenal. Too bad you couldn't appreciate them as a whole. I understand this is an honest reaction. I prefer an honest reaction over a fake smile. In my opinion Tuomas (keyboard) is a genius componist. He makes songs feel like a movie in a way. An adventure that makes you curious what's around the corner.
This is one of the most phenomenal songs I have ever heard, so I am taken aback at your response. If you want more of a hard driving song,, you might want to try Nightwish doing the song Romanticide. Listen to the live at Wakken version.
If you dont see more similarities between this and Bahamian Raphsody, you really shouldnt do music reviews. And no, you've not played in with better drummers than Jukka ma'guy... if you had, those guys would be world famous. Youre a Metallica-fan and dont get me wrong, I am too... but Lars is not a tenth of the drummer Jukka is. Subjectively, I like Metallica more than Nightwish. Objectively, as in composition, timing and overall musicianship however, Metallica gets #Rekt. Wanna proove me wrong? Show me a Metallica Live show that sounds like a studio recording... you wont find one.
Great reaction guy! Cant be mad at your honesty. In my opinion I believe that this song is basicly written solely to show off the vocalist. They have other songs that show everyone's abilitys better as a whole band. Literally any song from the Wacken 2013 show is a great performance, I hope you give them another chance. Romanticed or Song of Myself may be more to your taste
It was written for Tarja ~ Floor just simply owns it because she is that good and probably the only singer in the world that could overproject over that much background play. She also adds in thinhs Tarja could/did not in the original lyrically.
@@christophercollins9333 How do you know that? "Tarja could not do in the original lyricaly." I've heard Turunen in concert live, recently, in her 40s, and was astonished at some of the things she can do. The song was written without the 'big vocal ending' that Floor Jansen introduced and which has become a little passe now, what with little Emppu traipsing around the stage to give her a high five every time. That's it, period. You don't know what Turunen could have done in that final section had she been asked to. But that was never the intention, to play it out with anything other than the music and the recorded choir.
This is very correct commentary and review, I like Nightwish and it is all ok, but the statement considering drummer skill and level is very, very inaccurate and big miss, specially from somebody that is listening metal and rock mucis, and maybe has some music playing experience. Drummer Jukka is very good drummer, and it is well known. He now gave that position in band to his friend Kai Hanto because of some health problems, and this other drummer now is also complete beast on drums, he was before in band Wintersun (which you can also check, like song Sons of Winter ans Stars) and some other bands. Also about the same inaccurate comment about gitar player, actually he is also very, very good, this particular solo is just nice and simple, that's all about that. Regards.
@Aca Radovanovic I hear ya but you may have misunderstood me a little, I wasn’t saying the guitarist himself was bad or unskilled, just that the solo he played in this specific performance didn’t do it for me, he had great guitar choice, and tone, I’m sure he knows how to play. Want to check out their “High Hopes” cover 😁
So, let me recap: you liked the lead singer, the drummer, the synth with the ''pipes''. You didn't like the solo guitar as it was too simplistic. And no mention about the bass and understandable so, as it doesn't stand out in this song. But, may I ask you this: did you guys notice THE BACKGROUND CHOIR ? It has been almost all over, throughout the song, as powerful as Niagara Falls. Did you notice it, at least 1 % ? I assume not. You saw the trees, but not the forest.
If you guys are familiar with "Over the Hills and Far Away" Nightwish does a great cover of that. They've had a few different singers over the years, and the newest singer Floor is absolutely incredible, but you guys seemed to pick up on that. Their first singer Tarja was good, although she is very operatic. "Gethsemane" is one of my favorite songs by Nightwish, and it's one that barely anyone reacts to.
The focus of this song is not so much about the overall musicianship (which is amazing), it's all about "the Floorgasm" - the euphoric, spine-tingling, goose-fleshing feeling one gets from hearing the vocalist (Floor Jansen) hit those soaring high notes and switching from crystal-clear, angelic opera sounds to the grittier rock vocal stylings. There's definitely that epic "Disney adventure film" sound and feel, particularly in the beginning (Pirates Of The Caribbean is a common reference), as well as the more ethereal and Celtic sounds in the middle and the second half of the song. In fact, for me, it took me several listens before i could really get into that opening cos of the "erratic" timing. But when i finally got used to it, it became one of the best parts of the song. Aside from all that, the real bang for the buck is that "money note" at the end. The studio version of this song (which had the band's original vocalist, Tarja Turunen, whose style is more prominently in the opera realm) had a slightly different approach to the vocals toward the end - the final verse featured the higher registers more prominently, and the "freestyle" refrains of the chorus (after the actual chorus) in this live performance (which delivers that final note) was not even present in the studio mix (unless my ears simply cannot detect how deeply buried it is in there?), and the studio version of the song just fades out with the choral backing vocals. This formal cold ending would have been better. Because of these aspects of "studio-vs-live", I break my usual rule about recommending how one hears songs for the first time ; which is to ALWAYS check out the STUDIO version FIRST, and then go check out the live version(s) to see how the song has evolved and how it translates live... but here, I am compelled to say, just go STRAIGHT to the live version - THIS live version, to be exact : Wacken Open Air 2013. The best of the best. Well... hmm... maybe my rule still applies, to hear the studio version FIRST, cos if you "go studio" after hearing this Wacken 2013 performance, the studio mix could leave you just a little wee tad underwhelmed by comparison.
Thank you for your honest reaction! Since you guys are very much into progrock (at least that's the impression I've got from checking out some of your vids^^), I strongly suggest you give another Finnish band a chance: Wintersun. Not only is Jari Mäenpää (the band's founder, singer, guitar virtuoso and composer) an absolute genius, the whole band's technicality and muscianship are totally insane. Check out "Time" or "Sons of Winter and Stars" (Live Rehearsals at Sonic Pump Studios, Remaster) and see for yourself :D
In this band the musicians do not juggle, it is the music that is in the foreground. The skills of musicians are at the service of music. They should not stand above the music. The composition (the keyboardist) and the singer (Floor Jansen) are the only ones that can shine, but will never do anything that spoils the music. I do not know if it's the keyboard player's idea, but that's how I understand this band. And as for Queen ... I do not understand, one metal band and the other is rock. But Floor is far more versatile than F. Mercury (I did not say better).
The not letting single instruments/player stand out is mostly a nature of the symphonic portion of symphonic metal. In classical symphonies and orchestra pieces it is also about the whole piece and not about letting singular instruments be at the forefront all the time hogging attention.
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*EDIT* ( I think we’re going to try them out again at some point with their cover of “High Hopes” I think I was a little harsh on the guitarist so I wanna see if he can pull it off, will give the points back 😉
- Andy)
Hope we didn’t come across as too harsh toward the band, they weren’t bad, we just weren’t as impressed as we were led to anticipate from them. The Singer was a 10, amazing range and tone control. It was more the band we weren’t super driven by, Now we do realize this is a big song of theirs to where it may not be the best representation of what they’re capable of instrumentation wise, we want to give them another shot at some point so please comment below what you think is the BEST representation of the group. Thank you guys for watching! 😁🔥
I got a bit bored near the end guys.
Stay lucky stay safe Mike UK.
@josephthemighty
Yeah I hear ya, we’re definitely going to get more into that stuff, got a deep purple lined up for Friday.
@josephthemighty Maybe they want to hear something that isn't just 4/4 time, key of E blues?
@Mark LaBonte
Tool definitely satisfies that musical desire, but sometimes the good ole’ classics are good for a reason, in terms of setting up the platform for other bands to take the torch and go to the next level, but I hear ya
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Nightwish works, plays and behaves as a BAND. They don't have deep cuts and whatnot to showcase or boast with their skill only. Then, they are a symphonic metal band, so everything and everyone in the band follows and is under that rule. They don't care about singular skill and/or showing off. What is important to them is the music and the quality of it that they put out and the stories that they are telling.
Next, the guitar player - his name is Emppu. As musicians, you should have noticed the guitar he is playing, which is a simple esp, which alone should tell you enough about him and the band. But let me spell it out for you. He is pretty much the rhythm section in the band and also add heaviness to the music, also he comes up and plays amazing riffs that fit the song like a glove and improve the songs. Also unlike every metal band, Nightwish has just him, not to guitar players and teh guitar is much less used in general in their songs because one he is just one and second nightwish is a symphonic metal band.
Then the drummer - his name is Jukka. I love the guy to death. He has tons of energy always and brings it to every song, his drums sound amazing and again much like Emppu he plays what the song needs and not a million fills per second to say "look how technical and fast I am". Just watch if you want the same song but performed with their new drummer Kai Hato to see and hear the huge difference in the feel and sound of the song. Kai is a lot more technical and drums a lot more like a machine, which in this particular song I hate, because it removes the warmth and feel that the song conveys and needs.
Then, the guy on the synthesizers is Tuomas and he is the one that writes the vast majority of the songs and lyrics for the band. He is the reason for the band to be symphonic and if you go back and listen to the song again it will become obvious as it should have been from the start.
And about nightwish not being pioneers. They started out in the 90's and are the pioneers of this genre, there are millions of bands that copied them throughout the years and tried to do what they were/are doing. Bands like epica, within temptation and so on. Which turned out to be good, because it pushed and keeps pushing the band to move forward, evolve their sound and music(it's not the only reason).
Lastly the bohemian rhapsody comparison did you and the group a huge disservice and the millions of transitions, key changes and other things in this song alone flew over your heads.
I could go on but it's time to stop with the rant.
Cheers
I kinda love your way of getting this written😃😎🥰
very well and tastefully said
Slow, dramatic clap...totally spot on!
Putting in Within Temptation as band inspired by Nightwish is not correct they both started at the same time and they did not know each other when they started. Both bands are considered pioneers in this style of music. BTW The band "The Gathering" with Anneke van Giersbergen started years before both bands. :-) th-cam.com/video/1HUMwinV2AQ/w-d-xo.html
@@ronaldboers8061 The Gathering is a totally different genre to Nightwish and Within Temptation.
The Gathering is Progressive Rock.
To name another great symphonic metal band from the 90s "Xandria" (started in 1994)
The big 4 symphonic metal bands are Nightwish, Within Temptation, Xandria and Epica.
And God created music and said it is good
Then he created Nightwish and said it is very good
Then God created Floor Jansen
And he dropped the mic
Because he had created perfection
from Jay B
The best comment about Nightwish I have ever read!!!😊👍👍👍
I am gonna use this comment. I love it ❤️🤘
If you want more Nightwish muscle try Romanticide from the same show Wacken 2013 ..or Weak Fantasy live Tampere...keep in mind guys this is Symphonic Metal ..not death metal or thrash metal or speed metal ....just a heads up ..
Good ones, and Emppu shreds in Romanticide, killer solo. Ghost Love Score did not show what he can do.
Exactly .. Thank You Steve Kanakanui 👍🏼
@Salty Kraken Poet and the Pendulum is pretty good at tugging at heartstrings I feel.
Weak Fantasy
@Salty Kraken I've listened to most of the hardest metal you can name. I never felt emotions until Nightwish. Poet and the Pendulum made me cry. I didn't even know that metal songs could do that. Lyrically, musically, ability-to-perform-perfectly-while-live-ily, Nightwish puts most every other metal band to shame.
The guitar player Emppu can play fast, impressive solos. This song doesn't require an impressive solo.
Drummer not that good?! WTF? You know how hard it is to change tempos and not miss a beat? There are several songs of theirs where he plays killer double bass ("Everdream" and "She is My Sin).
Forget it...they dont have a clue...they are full of shit...
@@aquascapingac.aquadesigns5284 thts about right.. Kids nowadays too much techno beat
perhaps they just think all drummers have to be like John Bonham or Neil Peart..who knows ..Give them a break they are after all just college age kids
Steve Kanakanui These two are pretty much idiots. I quit watching their videos after this one. They try to act like they are knowledgeable music fans but in actuality they have no clue at all what they're talking about.
@@frankie467 its glaringly obvious isn't it? The musical brilliance on that stage is out of this world!! I'm surprised the stage didn't implode on itself. You have to be a dim witted fucktard to not see the brilliance of this composition alone....the transitions, key changes, tone...then add to that the mastery of the musicians and the way they handle their instruments, Jukka's skill..oh gods, Jukka's skill on those drums!!@ And Floor's vocals...she is technically perfect! There are very few singers who can do what she did in just this one song alone!!! She invokes tears in grown men and women alike. No pop "tart" can do that. These kids need a pop, a diaper change and a nap. Go listen to some Drake or Taylor Swift, idiots, it's clearly more your style.
This song is usually picked for Nightwish virgins because it's easy to listen to for most people that like any genre of music.
It's not entirely representative of the whole catalogue of songs.
Some of their songs are much heavier (Romanticide, Yours is an empty hope) some are more traditional rock (storytime, Elan) and a few are epic sweeping tales that switch tone between multiple parts (Ghost Love Score, Poet and the pendulum, The greatest show on earth.)
It all depends on what your groove is.
Then you've got the earlier stuff which was a lot more operatic due to the original singer being a classical singer.
All of their tracks are polished and tight with every member of the band contributing to the song musically.
The bass player is also a great vocalist, the drummer is now on the business end of the band due to illness and the guitarist isn't some fretboard wanking strutting ego, he's a superb guitarist but like a proper musician does what the song needs and doesn't use it for his own showboating.
His riffs and solos are legendary when the song asks for it, the rest of the time he's there for the band.
Yep, you are definitely in college where you live in a sheltered, false reality. In the real world, the level of musical skill in this live performance is phenomenal, and an A+. Anyone can bang on a trash can and pig grunt/bear growl for vocals, but not everyone understands time changes, arrangements, and pristine singing.
Thank you for the honest reaction. I'm a middle-aged Finnish musician and a songwriter who really likes Nightwish as well as many other bands and artists. Nightwish has been around since the mid-1990s and they're much more well-known in Europe. Just don't believe the hype. Make your own opinions. This was a perfect example of someone hyping a band or just one of their songs too much. I really like them and also this song, so I understand the hype, but the song has nothing to do with Bohemian Rhapsody of course. :-)
Nightwish really grows on you. They are very song oriented; everyone in the band is very good in playing their instruments but they always play what's needed for the song. The guitar solo, especially in this song, is not a flashy one but a "mood piece" just like many other parts throughout the song. The band is very good in creating an atmospheric soundscape and different kinds of moods and Floor Jansen (this current Nightwish singer) can deliver the songs the way that you could really feel it.
I read a couple of other comments here and I'm also mostly into 1970s progressive rock and "classic rock" but I think you should give this "new band" another chance. :-) They're worth it. Just don't try to compare their songs (or don't listen to anyone else comparing them) to Bohemian Rhapsody, Stairway To Heaven or the best works of Johann Sebastian Bach :-) It's apples and oranges... and music is not a competition.
Vimana loved this comment. This is a perfect example of the engagement we love. We know our preference is just that ... a preference. It’s not a fact. I definitely can see the solo was held back and a lot of the other stuff was done to try to make the song shine not the individuals. As an American songwriter/singer/producer/performer that’s 100% the way I believe a song should be. But to me it wasn’t executed right here. I think the song fell a little flat. That being said I also see how the atmosphere could be appealing and grow on you. Overall though I loved your comment😊🙏🏼
Have to agree here - I also love this song, but it is very much hyped up because of Floor's vocal performance (which resulted in the 10 being given for them). There are other songs which give a much bigger highlight to the other members of the band and will suit different tastes.
It's not their best song, but it's a good example for Floor's skills. Agree?
Vimana: Well said !
Dear Finnish musician:
I highly doubt the Bohemian Rhapsody thing was actually a comparison.
You might like Romanticide or Song Of Myself from this same show. Listen to it without the influence of inaccurate descriptions and anticipations like the one you listened to this song with. Just "listen." Thanks guys!
In your opinion I can hear that your criterium for good music is mostly focussed on things like technical skills, impressive guitar, and so on. When you grow up ;-) I am sure you will focus on important aspects as there are: functional playing, deliver a message, harmonic and rhythm information and congeneric signs in relation with the lyrics. FE The way of drumming in this song is mostly about inserting energy and not about technics of drumming. For a bit show-off skills of this guitarplayer listen to Romanticide: th-cam.com/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/w-d-xo.html
It looks like you were expecting that each of the band member to show off. All of them work hard for the benefit of the song. A drummer's goal is to emphasize the moments of the song at the right time. This is not a common skill and Jukka excels in it. Emppu not very good on guitar? He integrates his solo perfect in the song - not too complicated. As for Floor and Marco - flowless. Tuomas is a great composer and song writer.
Yeah I think you are wrong... terribly wrong. Its`s one thing to say we don`t like the music, thats totally fine. But saying the drummer isn`t good for instance, is just showing how you lack of knowledge in this area. This drummer is playing very complex drumsets without missing one single beat in the complete concert.
And the guitar solo comment, was as well far from reality. If you know the band you would know that they are 100% teamplayers. The guitar solos intention was not to show off how good the guitarist is, it had to lead into the small intersection and had to build up the scene for the next part of the song. Also in other concerts (like the one from Buenos Aires 2015 I think) you can hear the crowed singing along with the guitar which is absolute fantastic. Check out Romanticide`s guitar solo if you wana see more.
All the muscisians in Nightwish are extraordinary and technically there no other Band out there that can compete with them. Imagine the guitarist is alone, there is no second guitar in the band, he is playing this all alone. And Floor is maybe the best vocalist in Metal at this time. Her range and sustainability is awesome.
Check out Romanticide or I want my tears back from the same concert and you will have a better view on Nightwish.
Well...it really depends on what you mean by "muscles"
You know, Nightwish is a Symphonic Metal Band, and for them showing up their muscles actually means showing off how much symphony they can do.
I think you are judging them with the wrong parameters, because I think that what you actually mean by "muscles" is how technically far the single musicians can go.
That would probably be a good judging meter for a progressive metal band, not so much for a symphonic one. You don't judge an orange by how much of a lemon it is, because it just isn't.
In Symphonic music what matters is the symphony outcome, that is the combined effect of all the instruments. This means that not a single instrument can go on its own way showing off its "muscles" if the song doesn't require it. So you won't see the guitarist or the drummer showing off just because they can.
If your only judging meter is the technical difficulty of the song, you probably need to add more dimentions to your judging meter.
Exactly. I almost recommended "greatest show on Earth" as a great example of Nightwish then realized they'd run into the same thing, even with how incredible the arrangement is.
I'm not really expecting much from this channel. Their other reviews / reactions all used the technical ability meter as really the only metric.
Or let them play it themselves. :)
It's obvious they know nothing about music technicality, or music in general. Stick to the pop songs on the radio, kids. They shouldn't be too difficult for you to understand..technically, lyrically or otherwise.
GLS in a song from Nightwish that first & foremost showcases their current female lead vocalist Floor Jansen, who became their official new female vocalist in 2013, not much before this Wacken Open Air 2013 performance in front of 82 000 fans. I took a look into your previous reactions & discovered three reactions to Iron Maiden, which is why I decided to share what Steve Harris, the founder, principal composer & bassist/keyboardist of this world's all time greatest metal band IRON MAIDEN said about Tuomas Holopainen & Nightwish with Anette Olzon (Their female lead vocalist before Floor Jansen) in 2015 before he had heard their latest album "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" with Floor on vocals.
Steve Harris: "“When I heard [2007’s] Dark Passion Play, I couldn’t believe it. I thought, ‘Now, this is a proper fucking album.’ It’s got everything bar the kitchen sink in there. It was controversial because of the new singer Anette Olzon, but she was brilliant. No disrespect to Tarja, but Anette’s voice suited them a lot better. There’s heavy stuff, classical, even a bit of Disney - all kinds of shit in there. I think it’s one of the best-sounding albums I’ve ever heard in my life. Then I got the next one, [2011’s] Imaginaerum. Storytime is a fantastic, instant song. The rest of the album took me a while to get into. Dark Passion Play was so good, I thought there was no way they could ever come up with an album that’s anywhere near that, but the more I got into Imaginaerum, the more I loved it. I haven’t heard the new one with Floor Jansen yet, but those two albums for me - I don’t think there’s anything else that I’ve heard out there that’s even close.”
These words from Steve Harris came form this 2015 article in "Metal Hammer" magazine: "How "Nightwish became a modern metal phenomenon" www.loudersound.com/features/how-nightwish-became-a-modern-metal-phenomenon which might be an interesting read to all of their fans.
lol ,. this guy is making reaction videos and tries to tell us he played with drummers better than jukka? Come on ...
AnatomiaUSAL
Apparently he’s buddies with Neil Peart.
Jukka is the modern day equivalent of John Bonham! One of the best EVER!
C mon he played with Jeebus da best drummer in Carribean.
@Jacques Malan Danny Carey: Hold my beer.......wait....I have 8 arms.
GLS isn't for everyone, nor does it showcase Nightwish at their best IMHO. People like to react to it because it showcases Floor's vocals very well, and the whole cinematic orchestral thing that they do, but it's not by far their best song at all. Also if I had to say something of theirs is Bohemian Rhapsody of metal, it would be The Poet and the Pendulum, not GLS. 😜
I do recommend checking out the High Hopes cover, you might be much more impressed by Mr. Vuorinen's skill on guitar -- and the vocal chops of the bassist, Marco Hietala. It will be their own spin on it, though, so approach it with an open mind -- nothing too different, just the feel of it.
@Darnaguen
I think I’m down for the high hopes cover, want to give the guy a fair chance for redemption, I was a little harsh.. lol
- Andy
@@andyandalex just shows you actually have no idea about music. The solo was suited to the song. Do you expect a synyster gates type solo on that type of song? Who gives a shit if you think the drum fills are basic. The first thing you should have noticed is the energy and how hard he hits the drums. No other drummer replicates his feel. They have a new drummer due to health issues who is technically better than him ( this guy taught the drummer in this video) but not better than him as he doesnt bring the same feel
Lol, college students. Real life will make things more clear.
@Salty Kraken Not Great in whos eyes ..The US is actually the only market that they dont sell big(which is changing by the way ) ..Go across the pond Anywhere in Europe or South America or Asia and then tell me that ..you're funny
@@stevekanakanui7033 no wonder this clown is so delusional. The US can't produce anything even close to this caliber of talent! Ere go, he wouldn't know what real talent sounds like.
SAM
What do you expect. Their ears have been calibrated to 30 years of the mindless gibberish we call rap.
@Salty Kraken Overproduced? not many songs? not organic?
Holy fuck are you clueless. They have over 125 songs, been putting out albums since 1996. They have been doing almost every imaginable genre of music. They have said they are doing music only to make music that is missing from the World and that they want to listen at the time, instead of making commercial shit.
Most of most HC Nightwish bands are from Finland, and if you are saying they haven't heard metal, you must be close to braindead when it comes to metal music
@Salty Kraken Didn't you forget to add 'in my opinion'?
Snobs. I pity 'em.
"Bohemian Rhapsody of metal" was a bullshit claim and one that doesn't much help appreciation of this band when you go into the reaction with a notion of this kind. More than once, though, I have seen the singer, Floor Jansen, being compared with Freddie Mercury. I think that comparison is actually fair; Floor is arguably even technically better. You've actually seen nothing yet of her stunning versatility (opera, belting, screaming, growling, Celtic-woman folk voice, sultry jazz...)
As to the song, it is an outlier in the band's oeuvre, and I can understand that it is not to everyone's taste. Nightwish is very diverse, with a portfolio from thrash metal to folk ballads. If you explore further, I'm sure you will find something you like. They're also not a stupid or superficial band. If you have a few minutes, go and read some of their lyrics.
I'd also like to answer some of what I read in the other comments here. One of the comments I saw talked about "cheese". Now "cheese" comes in many flavors and is a matter of definition. If understood as meaning "full of holes, shoddily made", this is simply not true with regard to Nightwish, and an hour's delving into their catalog will show that. If understood as "not intended to be serious art", this is also not true. The musical language of Nightwish is, however, extremely no-holds-barred romantic. It's an artistic choice. If that is understood by some as "cheese", all I can say is, you have to embrace the cheese then to appreciate this band.
Another comment said "nameless metal band". That is ignorant. Nightwish is among the five best-known and best-selling metal bands in Europe and Latin America (North America sometimes seems slow to catch on to things that are huge in the outside world), and outside North America Floor Jansen is a metal superstar who has a frigging beetle named after her (I kid you not: google "Tmesisternus floorjansenae Weigel").
So, thank you for your honest reaction; it is much appreciated. If you decide to give Nightwish another try, I suggest "Yours Is An Empty Hope", live in this version: th-cam.com/video/XtXqUNB8zrU/w-d-xo.html. (Yes, it's the same singer.)
@Outside Context Problem
Well said friend! We’ll try them out again sometime for sure! One track isn’t enough to judge a band by!
@@andyandalex Howdy lads...I've been following you for awhile, and I have to admit--this is the first review that I disagree with you..(I know, music and tastes are completely subjective...) but: you guys simply NEED to give them another chance and do "The Greatest Show On Earth" - It's about Life (guest performer: Richard Dawkins)...and mops the floor with this. It will change your life
I'm with these other guys. Romanticide keeps having me go back because it is much heavier and more metal and shows her vocal diversity more to me as well as the bassists vocals.
I think you guys would enjoy Romanticide. It charges out at 100mph and never lets up, like Metallica at their most aggressive, and all the band get to show off their chops. C'mon, you said you would give them another chance, it's been two years!
Hello. Since this is your first reaction to Nightwish. I will give you a short history speech, "The Ann Waychoff" speech (a short / concentrated history of the band):
Nightwish was started in 1996.They are considered a female fronted symphonic metal band. They are from Finland.
Tuomas Holopainen, the keyboard player, composes and writes the lyrics for 95% of their music. Marco Hietala is the Bassist and vocals .And there is the guitarist Emppu Vuorinen . Then there is Troy Donockley from UK who is a multi-instrulmentalist and vocals. Jukka Nevalainen is the drummer. In 2015 due to Jukka's health issues Kai Hahto became the drummer and now his status became permanent.
Nightwish has had three singers. 1st one was Tarja Turunen (Operatic vocals). She was with them until 2005. The 2nd one was Anette Olzon from Sweden (Poppy, strong vocals). She was with them until 2012.The 3rd and current singer is Floor Jansen, from Netherlands (power, operatic, soprano.....most versatile) - you just saw her.
There are live concerts that you should use depending on what era. From Wishes to Eternity and End of an Era (Tarja), Montreux Festival live 2012 and Exit Festival (Anette), Live at Wacken 2013, Live at Wembley, Live at Tampere, Vehicle of Spirit live (Floor). I hope this helps.
I want to welcome you to the Nightwish community. I hope you like them enough to continue the journey. Believe me Nightwish will surprise you with their songs. You will never know what to expect. They are unbelievable live. I want to warn you that Nightwish fans are hard core. So be prepared. lol
I would like to recommend "Romanticide" live at Wacken 2013 th-cam.com/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/w-d-xo.html
Thank you.
@Planet Sidewinder Hello, the last update I got about Ann's condition is from GoFundMe page www.gofundme.com/annwaychoff , 8 days ago: "I wanted to share Jim’s (Ann's husband) latest update on Ann:
She's doing better. She still can't sit up for any period of time, but I want her to try getting on her computer this week if for only short periods of time. She did get the package (sent by a fellow Nightwish fan) and of course she cried. Hopefully you'll be seeing her on all her sites in the very near future. Thanks for checking in."
No point.... they didn't get it.... the entire band went over their heads. They need to stick to 3-5 minute U.S. music industry approved metal.
7.4?!?!?! Jesus Christ. You're not musicians. I know you aren't because you don't grasp how difficult it is to change tempo, change mood, etc. You clearly don't grasp how difficult it is to compose lyrics and music like that, never mind perform it ON POINT FLAWLESSLY LIVE IN FRONT OF 82000 PEOPLE WITH A PRACTICALLY BRAND NEW LEAD SINGER. I just. Wew lads.
Nightwish fans love this song.. I’ve been a Nightwish fan since about 2002 and to a degree NW has eclipsed Iron Maiden as my all time favorite band.. About 60% of reviewers doing this song either hate it or have a similar view of the band right at first listen. My experience watching these reviewers is that those who have gone on to listen to more NW don’t regret it. Something seems to click after the second or third song. I think the key ingredient that connects NW with its fan base isn’t the tight instrumentation or even Floors vocal prowess. It’s how they use that instrumentation and how Floor uses her voice to connect extremely deep, emotional, and human lyrics with their fan base. Ghost Love Score is probably not the first song that I would recommend to new reviewers just because of its marginal success rate of hooking new audiences. People either love or hate it at first listen. My recommendations are Shudder before the Beautiful and Storytime for more traditional rock/metal stuff.. On the heavier side, Yours is an Empty Hope or Romanticide are good candidates. This band has so many dimensions that its hard to determine which one will connect with someone. Poet and the Pendulum and The Greatest Show on Earth are their most epic performances. I’ve seen grown men cry watching Poet and the Pendulum. Anyone who has experienced deep betrayal and sincere regret in their lives should be able to connect with the lyrics in that song. Nightwish more than anything is a sum of its parts. All the musicians are extremely talented and shine in their own way and at their own time. If someone is looking for consistent heavy chugs or shredding for the sake of shredding, Nightwish is not going to be the band for them. If someone is willing to take the time, digest the music and look for the deeper meaning behind the Iyrics think Nightwish will eventually become a go to part of their music catalog. Good review.. Great feedback. I like the honesty. Don’t give up on NW yet :)
Marginal success rate at hooking new audiences? Apart from these two young lads the only bad review I ever saw of this performance from anyone - and I've watched hundreds - was from an opera singer whose head was up her own arse and expected manic solos every few minutes because that is what she thought all rock bands do.
This is the deeper cut that fans love. Most people request this version to hear the singer. The album version is a different vocalist, And the last note not there.
The far heavier songs by them are:
Romanticide live from Wacken 2013
Yours is an Empty Hope live from Nightwish Cruise (2015)
Weak Fantasy live from Tampere, Finland 2015
Not deeper but louder try romanticide
@Keith Weelands
Thanks!
@@andyandalex Song of myself from the Wacken show is also a pretty good heavier side of them.
I second this... Song of Myself is my favorite song of theirs because of that heavy heavy riff
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Never Heard Music Like This
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What you need to understand on nightwish, everything is meant to be as one, it's not meant to be that one no specific instrument sticks out over the other too much, it's about the whole composition. Take it as if it would be a piece of classical music, everything works for the song as a whole. That doesn't mean that the musicians are basic, it just means they don't show off unless it's part of the composition/song.
I think you'd rather appreciate Romanticide, Yours Is An Empty Hope, The Poet And The Pendulum (take care on this, its heavily flagged for copyright), Song Of Myself,... This song and version is more about the singer Floor Jansen I'd say. The song is beautiful, but not necessarily their best, in my opinion. Try the other songs I mentioned above, you'll like those more for sure 😁 and there are many more to discover also with different styles and moods.
Song Of Myself - Nightwish live wacken
I still give you props for speaking your mind, but you clearly went into this with a bias cause of what you'd read, that this the equivalent of "Metal's Bohemian Rhapsody"! I'd suggest you take it for what it is! Yes - you're right that the guitarist isn't anything special, but Nightwish isn't about the guitar work! It's all about the orchestral arrangement and the soaring vocals above that! This is some of the best symphonic metal music you'd get to hear.
I think you're right on when you said the middle of it felt like the Pirates of the Caribbean. Some of the song also reminds me of LOTR. One thing, in my opinion, that may help with this song is to remember the title "Ghost Love Score" and think about it as a movie score as opposed to a metal song. It has an epic feel to it but with lulls, kind of like a battle scene that has highs and lows. I think people request this song because it is easily accessible to a majority of listeners. I grew up with Sabbath, Deep Purple, Nazareth, Hendrix, etc. and I really like symphony and orchestral music as well so for me it's a win-win. :-)
I think its weird for anyone to call Ghost Love Score the Bohemian Rhapsody of metal. I think maybe if one of their songs merits that comparison it would be Poet and the Pendulum. Your comment on the drumming at the end though...i'm thinking is going to be responsible for the majority of any dislikes you get on this. The drum work on this performance was exceptional.
The Drummer comment almost disqualifies you from judging music.
Absolutely......
First time for me too. Different. Her voice is amazing.
@Jamie Williams
Yeah we weren’t super fond of the instrumentation but the singer was definitely killer. Amazing range.
@jamie I suggest you find some other reactions on nightwish, there are plenty out there
yours is an empty hope from nightwish cruise has Floor doing growls and is more the darker side of their genre....Nightwish - Yours Is An Empty Hope (LIVE)
For another great metal ballad with a (male) vocalist whom I personally tend to call "The next Freddy Mercury", check out Yannis Papadopoulos from the band "Beast in black" with their song "Oceandeep": m.th-cam.com/video/UpVkvWjRYzk/w-d-xo.html
🎥 BEAST IN BLACK - Oceandeep (LYRICS) - TH-cam
He also covered Ghost Love Score as a solo vocalist though:
m.th-cam.com/video/nfZxu1aQzp8/w-d-xo.html
🎥 Nightwish - Ghost Love Score (Vocal Cover) - TH-cam
Those high notes he's able to reach are incredible...
I'd rather go to concerts like this forever than go to heaven. This music speaks to my inner most self. It's a primal thing. It brings joy to my life. I don't believe she uses any auto tune or at least it's very little but her voice is so angelic, if there is such a creature. Her voice is so crisp and she shows so much passion. It's hard to describe but the way her vocals , and other performers , it really speaks to our inner selves. I don't believe in souls or anything supernatural but to me this music speaks to our natural emotions and just gives us so much joy, whatever that is called , whether it be a soul or what, music speaks to people. And that's the most beautiful thing.
Tough to judge a band on one song, and this doesn't tell the full story of Nightwish. Maybe in your spare time, give a listen to Romanticide or Ghost River from this same show and see if you feel differently. If not, move on. BTW, just stumbled on your channel a few days ago and you guys take me back to my high school and college days 30+ years ago discovering a lot of the same music. Really enjoy your reactions, cheers!
We are definitely open to giving them more of an opportunity. We glad you love the channel always happy to bring people back to the music they love
Dont bother...they dont worth it...just 2 dudes talking shit of they re small brains out of they re mouths
@@aquascapingac.aquadesigns5284 They can have their own opinions, dude. Relax.
@@jasonbodden8816 Im relaxed...they can have they re own options and music taste...of course...Im not like that...but they re explanation,it was realy stupid, arrogant and fake...they should have Said...we dont like this kind of music...but " as musicians we are..."as musicians NW are remarcable...but people may not like they re music
There is so much more to Nightwish than just this song/style. I agree with the others who say to give them another chance
@ferretmom66
We will! One song isn’t enough to judge too hard! 😁
Lol. I'm a musician and your claims from that stance I guess I gotta be on the opposite side. I come from ERG and prog metal background and this band has become a huge favorite for me because they are unique in arrangement and orchestration and have tons of depth you don't find in American bands.
You said a lot of the middle sounded like it's been done before (forgot specifically what you said). Hmm... by whom? Legit question. I've heard symphonic elements before but idk, not done this well and not as a PART of the music (instead of just chordal embellishments to go under the guitar lines).
I'm not dumping on you for your opinion. And not trying to defy it. But if I had to bottom line this, I'd say that as a metal musician myself, this band did take me a few passes before I finally got to the core of it. So too it might be necessary for you. And I kick myself for not doing it sooner.
Or not.
Whichever. Hope you find another cut from the you like better.
I never saw Pink Floyd- live( Huge Gilmour fan). I saw Queen and Rush 2x .This was 79 through 84( both bands in their Prime).. Foreigner, Styx, AcDc x2, Foghat, Whitesnake, Pat Benatar, Heart, Journey ( all in their Prime) Many other bands, as well. I have never seen any that can compete with this band- live ( Rush would be close)… I never advise Ghost Love Score as a first listen for this band. After you go down the Nightwish Rabbit hole, Ghost Love Score-- you learn to appreciate.. Find me someone that can sing like this lady!. This song does not show off some of the magical things they do, but showcases this singer's huge abilities....Go ahead and check out High Hopes from End of an ERA.. Emmpu does Gilmour justice.. The drummer is a beast and you are the first I have ever heard anyone say anything negative about him...This band may not be for you guys... maybe you will sample some more and reconsider your opinions, maybe not. You just listened to one of the most talented bands -ever.. You may not like that song or the band, but you can not honestly deny the talent.
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First negative review I've seen on this song and honestly your criticisms were a bit silly and unfounded. Goes to show no matter how incredible you are people will still try and find a problem instead of being positive. Y'all just some haters.
Hardly a "negative review" if you want to be honest about it. It just wasn't over-the-top Nightwish worship like the great majority of reactors. This genre is going to sound very strange to American ears. It works great for me, but its not for everybody.
Not everyone has to like what you do jsk8. Doesn't make them a hater , makes them into a different genre . Personally I think this one is a great production . But so is Hallowed Be Thy Name by Iron Maiden . And UFO has a live album that should knock your socks off , but probably won't if this is your only cup of tea.
Ghost Love Score is a great song in many ways. But if you're not into it, that's perfectly fine as we all have our own tastes. If you want to see the guitarist get busy, watch Romantiside, which is also a much more traditional metal song. You might also try 'yours is an empty hope' live from their Nightwish cruise. You don't need to react to those if you don't wish, but just to familiarize yourselves with some of their heavier side. But yes, that is why they are called a symphonic metal band. This was from the Imaginarium tour and their goal was to create more theater and less straight forward thrashing rock. Every show was sold out. In SF it was sold out in 3 days, for example.
Their cover of pink floyds high hopes is fantastic
@lee coleman
Hmmm sounds interesting, do they pull off the guitar solo??
@@andyandalex hell yes
@@andyandalex Emppu the guitarist has a great solo, not trying to imitate Gilmour either (which is a good thing).
Gilmour uses a lap steel for that solo... my prediction:
You will not like it. You will compare it to Gilmour. You will compare the voices and, really, since the band went over your head, already, so will this.
@@andyandalex Come on guys ....does it really matter ?? ..They made it their own..and it sounds amazing ...why doest it always have to be about solos and runs on the drums ..try sitting back and just enjoying the music dont be so analytical geeeez ..
I have never ever judged a band from one song, learned that from the 60's on! Try Romanticide from the same Wacken concert for the heavier side of Nightwish (th-cam.com/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/w-d-xo.html) or Ghost River (th-cam.com/video/05eitd-EA6I/w-d-xo.html) and for a great cover of High Hopes (Pink Floyd) (th-cam.com/video/4oEDnVeYYyM/w-d-xo.html) all LIVE which is the only way to experience Nightwish. Floor Jansen, the 6' 1" Dutch dynamo vocalist is an amazing performer with power, range and stage presence that you can't believe.
I am a fanatic for Queen and been a fan a long time (saw them LIVE 3 times) and I will say this right now after being a fan of Nightwish and their 100+ songs from 1996 to today, they are on the level of Queen and there are very few bands I place on that level. This bands does ballads, folk metal, trash metal, heavy rock and even some pop and their musicianship is amazing especially when you realize this is all LIVE and a lot of it is open air festivals. You need to hear a good number of songs to get the right feel for a band. Cream, Doors, Hendrix, Mountain, Santana, Jethro Tull, Yes, Humble Pie and other great bands never would of made it if they had to depend on one song and frankly, having than one great song is the only way to show how good you really are. Honest reaction to symphonic metal band, hopefully you are still open to hearing more before you right them off, but then again this genre may not be in your wheelhouse to appreciate. Comparing songs is nonsense so forget the hype and listen to the songs on their own terms.
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I think your method of analysis for music itself is problematic. Just a personal view.
The way you 'scored' and 'analysed' seemed to me like you broke down the song/score to its individual parts, the guitarist and his solo, whether the drummer was doing some great things, the fact the there seemed some commonality with movie scores like PotC, the voalist and her range etc. To me that is just not the way any music should be analysed, at least from a listener's perspective. Again, my first video of you guys, so this is pretty early reaction from my end too.
But for me when a group of people come together and create music, its not about the individual parts, but about what is created when all of them come together. This is a classic example of the whole being much greater than the sum of its parts. Is it revolutionary?? Almost surely not. But not everything can be. Is it great? Most definitely.
I completely agree with you that other than Floor's vocals, nothing about the individual musicians is extraordinary or the fact that a lot of their ideas are derivative and brought together from a wide variety of other genres. But what you seem to have failed to recognise a little is when all those small individual parts were brought together by this group, what was created was really really damn good.
This band is number two, after Pink Floyd, on my personal best list and that has a reason.
This is powermetal/ symphonic metal; metal with a classical music background. This genre also has a huge female fanbase where the so called hardcore metal is a very male business. Nighwish has a very very huge worldwide fanbase.
I recommend you listen and see the whole live concert at Wacken. Or the last live concert in Wembley stadion. The song: "the poet and the pendulum" or "song of myself" are good ones. The last album is very good but that one needed also more than one time hearing before full appreciation.
I needed also more than one time listening to them to become a real fan. Their music is much more complicated than you think and their texts are deeper than you think.
The singer, Floor Jansen was born about 5 miles from where I live in the Netherlands.
Listen to the band Ayreon; the live concert Universe, If you want more Floor Jansen. See channel of Arjen Anthony Lucassen; he is Ayreon.
Ayreon uses guest singers and musicians from very well known metal and rock bands on their albums.
Ayreon (symphonic metal) is also in my top 5 bands but the music is even more complex and very different from Nightwish. Their albums are magnificent. Begin with "the electric castle"
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Ayreon is not Symphonic metal though.
TerranigmaQuintet power metal, progressive metal, progressive rock, experimental rock. The problem is that Ayreon, even in a single song, mixes different music styles. Just because the operatic style I call it symphonic metal but you can even call it rock opera or metal opera. I just don't know.
Nightwish is from Finland like me. And its started over 20 years ago... 💖
A reaction video is a reaction video. Music is a personal thing, and if you rate this like 7-8, that's fine.
In general, take in the act. It might be that their style of music is not 100% your cup of tea, but they absolutely killed it that night. This particular performance was in front of a crowd of 100.000 people, and I doubt anyone wanted his or her money back.
The drummer. I hardly doubt either of you have ever played with a drummer coming close to this level. Sure he won't be the God of all drummers, but this is a strong performance, and remember it's not one song, but an entire setlist.
Floor is a very capable singer and she has very good control of her voice. If you cannot hear the difference in her singing between the parts, I can see how the first 7 minutes of the song might come across as lengthy. Once you start digging into her voice, and start learning to hear the differences between voice types/breath/and so forth, you'll start to appreciate the performance more.
Agree, except when you said Floor is "capable". I think you're vastly underselling her. This is the first time I have heard of or seen any footage of Nighwish, and her vocals "floored" me, excuse the pun. "Goddess" come to mind for me.
@@Paul-ow9gj I said she was VERY capable. And yes, you are right, that's still underselling her. However, obviously, we are fans. I tried to give a more balanced view.
When you say things like “ In the middle you were laughing,it was like a metal version of Pirates of the Caribbean” then it’s best not to say anything,even genuine reactions are best left unsaid,this is symphonic Metal at its best,pisses over anything Evanescence have done,to the band and fans it’s not just a song but a story told in all its glory,sorry but when it’s comes to this genre and it’s music you really have no idea!!
"it sounds like pirates of the caribbean" well thats a big possibility as the music composer of both Nightwish and Pirates know each other xD
Romanticide at the same show would be a good choice for a heavier Nightwish song.
It is not Gothic, it is Symfonic Metal, and sometimes with a little touch of celtic. I have respect for your words. But when you heard the front women of Nightwish from the past, then you know why lot of people like Nightwish even more, specialy with Floor as the frontwomen . Floor jansen is from the Netherlands, and indeed she did the rock academy, and opera school, and she is married to the drummer of SABATON, and she is a mom and they live in Finland. and what a good drummer he is, perfect, it is so difficult to change from beat on a drum, they are all so good, that's why Nightwish is so good, they can play difficult music. I love Nightwish.And maybe because i am Dutch, and Floor is Dutch, bur i love Tarja also, because i don't have a voice like that, i can't play and sing like that. It is art!
I’m a major (Floor Jansen era) Nightwish fan, but always remember guys... you are NEVER wrong in expressing your authentic *SUBJECTIVE* opinion in a calm and kind manner!! Nightwish fans who love them won’t suddenly decide to hate the band because someone isn’t blown away. Personally, I’m disappointed by reaction after reaction after reaction that doesn’t recognize what a seriously great bassist Marco is! That doesn’t change my (subjective) belief that he’s a vastly underrated musician in general, but especially on bass. And I also really like that the parts specifically written for Emppu, the guitarist, don’t stand out in a way that jars the flow of the song. It’s always written and played as a compliment to the overall composition and performance of each piece. For all we know, he could spend post-recording and post-tour downtime shredding at home along the lines of Steve Vai, Yngwie, Paul Gilbert, Tobin Abassi, John Petrucci, etc... All of the members of the Nightwish are proficient if not excellent technical musicians, I think the everyday non-musician would recognize that. For those of us who *are* musicians, you understand what it takes to go from beginner to intermediate to advanced to great enough to earn a spot as the headline act at major music festival (regardless of your specific instrument) because you have the whole package. (Don’t me get started on pop though 🤢). When you take 5, now 6 (since the permanent addition of Troy on various pipes and stringed instruments and vocals) uniquely gifted musicians and put them on a stage together, and this is dependent on soooo many factors, you can have the average decent show, you can have a train-wreck, or you can have what Nightwish has: the sum is greater than the parts. 1 + 1 + 1+ 1 + 1 + 1 = 20 (more or less depending on your preference for a specific genre or band). As far as well known symphonic metal bands go, which are intended to be somewhat theatrical, given the operatic or partially operatic element contrasted by the hard rock with metal elements (don’t beat me up, Nightwish army! I’m am one of you!! 😭😭😭), Nightwish is the Top of the top; and they get better as they mature more & more like the rest of us do as we age... in so many aspects of their lives which & is absolutely reflected in their music. No, it doesn’t and won’t appeal to all, like straightforward, traditional black metal “Im about to puke on the whole front row” distorted vocals doesn’t appeal to me. Surprisingly as a symphonic metal fan in general, I realllly dislike opera unless I’m watching it performed live. I love the band Nightwish. I absolutely adore Floor. Annette was pretty damn good as the place-holder (let’s be honest) in 2nd vocalist position (and I really like the Dark Element & her solo stuff). Honestly, and apologies to old school Nightwish purists who still lament the messy parting of ways with Tarja, given that I despise opera, for the most part, I knew of Nightwish but only appreciated and started to like Nightwish the first time I heard Amaranthe. The first time I listened to them, it was a song sung by Tarja, and her voice turned me off so much that I didn’t finish listening and can’t for the life of me remember what song it was. It could’ve been Ghost Love Score for all I know, but I hated it. In the end (R.I.P. Chester... I HAD to), that is ALL my personal *SUBJECTIVE* opinion. There is no right or wrong when it comes to art appreciation, regardless of the type of art. It, by nature, *IS* subjective. And for me, that’s what makes music so amazing to me, and why I’m happy to hear other people’s reactions, positive or negative. So, guys... you two keep doing what you doing and please (from a mom of two 20-something kids)... as I drilled into their brains, and want to remind you, keep an open mind (as you did), be kind (as you were), and never be afraid to speak your truth, rationally and with the understanding that there are other, valid perspectives (you also did that). If people don’t like it they can fuck off. That’s a reflection on them, not you. Brush it off and move along. Y’all are doing a great job as far as reaction channels go. 🤘🏻🎶
Never apologise for being honest!
I'd like to throw a suggestion, kinda different : Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms. It's a pretty simple, straight forward and slow song, but Mark Knopflers guitar is so effortless yet expressive. It's from the 80's but the lyrics are still as current as ever. Also, I believe you would enjoy it.
I really like what you wrote, Riikka. Brothers in Arms is a beautiful song. "There's so many different worlds, so many different suns... and we have just one world but we live in different ones."
Yeah. Mark Knopfler is one of those (few) musicians, who is really able to paint a picture with his playing. Besides Brothers I also love Sultans of swing (one of my all-time favourite songs).
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of your older Queen reactions when I got this notification lmao. 🤩🤣 My favorite react channel !!
@yasmeen natalia
Haha the older queen vids were the best
Glad to be your favorite 😏
I hate people hyping up stuff like that for people experiencing something for the first time. It completely kills off the chance to give something a fair shake. People don't often understand that everyone hasn't drunk the kool-aid yet. If someone tries to get you to listen to 'The Poet and the Pendulum', don't do it blind. The song only really has impact if you know the history of the band.
I like this metal band that no one else has really heard about, they have two singers, one singing normally and the other growling. They are 'The Wise Man's Fear', give them a try even if you don't do any reaction video. I understand you have to stick to bands people have actually heard of. Anyway, give these songs a looksee:
"In Reach (Out of Touch)" - th-cam.com/video/TlGmPu18juQ/w-d-xo.html
"The Deepest Dark" - th-cam.com/video/LklwOcNnLrI/w-d-xo.html
@darkchiron
Yeah when I was editing the video I was actually like hmm, it actually isn’t rough as I initially thought, I just think the bohemian rhapsody comment messed it up for us prob
I been waiting for you guys to check this out. This band is epic, especially in concert. Every musician in the band is top shelf and Floor is a Norse Goddess. She is so f'n talented and she knows how to hold an audience. Great choice to react to.
Actually, Floor is Dutch. 😉
@@EllenM1967 The Netherlands yes, I know. I have met the band on a couple of occasions on tour. When I referred to her as a Norse Goddess, I was referring to the power and the way she carries herself on stage, the way she commands an audience in concert. Her choice of apparel and imagery She is also very tall and quite athletically fit.
When I speak, especially when describing some things aren't always meant to be taken literally.
@@RCullis47 lol sorry I misunderstood. 😉 Yes I agree, she has a great charisma.
@@RCullis47 If the Vikings invade, they should put her on the front of the first boat. A few of those high notes and the defenders wouldn't know whether to run or marvel. (Who else wants a Viking movie with that in it?? LOL)
@@s1d299 LOL! I know I would willingly submit to her. :)
As others have said, Nightwish is not a thrash/death metal band.and they usually don't go for that flashy solo by one member (although they easily could), but instead work best as a unit. And their diversity of songs is also one of their strengths, going from a song like GLS to heavier songs like Romanticide or Yours Is An Empty Hope to folk songs or long epic songs like Poet And The Pendulum or Greatest Show On Earth. That's why you can't judge them on one song. Hell, even A&P Reacts didn't like GLS or Nightwish on first listen, now they love them and GLS and have even attended one of their concerts. And just because you like heavier stuff doesn't mean you can't love Nightwish too. I listen to the full spectrum of metal bands and Nightwish is still one of my favorites. But I always appreciate honesty by reactors over faking it, because you can usually see through the fakers.
Randy Rhoads was heading into this direction with his music.........Emppu is a Rhythm guitarist, the lead is Tuomas's keys/piano. it's SYMPHONIC METAL......EDIT:you said they weren't innovative, i believe you're wrong the bands been around for over 23 years........
Ghost Love Score is a bit of a minefield. People either fall in love with it or get put off by it. And the hype monster can have a vicious bite. The band is full of very talented musicians who act like members of a mini rock orchestra in that they "serve the song." The guitar solo here almost acts as a subdued violin solo in its function.
Serving the song... perfect description
@@mikemclaughlin3306 Thanks Mike!
This song is usually a reaction to Floor's singing. There are other songs that show off the band more.
Oh my, that drummer is off the hook good. Please more.
♥️Floor is impressive♥️
Honest reaction is always ok and only right one...But really guys, if you just check on song and hear one short guitar solo on that, it does not mean that there is not longer solos on other songs and that guitarist plays something like you can learn in half hour...It is totally ok if saying that some music (or this) is not your kind of music but saying on reaction video that I can play better or learn in half hour(With out showing) is little bit childish and gives "Watch how great guy I am" effect.
But no worries, I remember when I was in your age and knew everything about music and also was using even same arguments and found later that noup, I did not knew.
There will time in future when you will do same observation, trust me....And there will be time when you demanding more from music, more details, more nuances, more everything.
But back to the solos, here is some solos from Nightwish guitarists:
th-cam.com/video/8dIjhA_yFuw/w-d-xo.html
@TTK2013
I hear ya, I may have been a little harsh, and I couldn’t really show you guys me playing in this video because that would’ve been weird if I just whipped out my guitar to prove a point, there is a video on the channel of me covering the bohap solo so you could check that out. But yeah I want to check out their high hopes cover, love Floyd and wanna give them a shot covering that great track, cheers man!
Yeah, that shows, how impressive his skills really are. But personally I like his slower melodic solos more (like this one on GLS, or Swanheart for another example).
*Never* read the comments before watching a vid.
Sheesh.
@Koozebane
Yeah we usually don’t but we accidentally saw it before and it was the most upvoted comment on the vid so yeah. We wanna try them again at some point though. Without weird presumptions
@@andyandalex "Fair."
:-)
Hi guys, good reaction. Kudos for not faking it. I think you were fair, even though I disagree on some points. Nightwish is not about egos, its about songs. Instruments are arranged to serve the song, not to inflate egos. (That's what they say, not what I think.) So, the approach is a bit different when compared to some other metal groups. Besides that, they have been around 20 years, 8 albums, so there are wide variety of songs and styles from power metal to operatic to epic, symphonic (like this one) to radio play to songs with folky, celtic vibes. Maybe you won't like any of those, or maybe you will. We'll see if you'd do a few more nightwish songs.
@Esa Koivuniemi
Well said friend! And I think we will check them out again, perhaps their High Hopes cover for Floyd? Want to see if they pull it off! 😁
@@andyandalex Sure. Its not bad, just not my cup of tea. It will be interesting to hear what you guys think about it, tho.
Great react! Floor Jansen...what a wonderful voice. Nightwish is a powerful band!
Yeah everyone has opinions - mine: For quite some time now, my top four bands have been Rush, Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, and yes... Nightwish. Sure I hope you feel like giving them another chance, but mostly I hope you keep doing what you do the way you want to do it.
Hey guys! I love tuning in and hearing your reactions to all of these different songs! You guys do an AWESOME JOB and I agree with your reviews the vast majority of the time! However, I feel that this Nightwish performance was tremendous and the lead singer, Floor Jansen, who is a “Viking Goddess”, did an INCREDIBLE JOB with the vocals! Please check out other Nightwish cuts as they are a tremendous “Symphonic Metal Band”! They have opened my eyes to a different genre of music I probably would never have taken the time to listen to! I am so glad that I did! Happy New Year to you both and Be Safe!!!
More Than A Feeling is Boston’s biggest hit because it is radio friendly and appeals to wide range of people. I like “HollyAnn” better. But you really need to listen to “Something About You” and “The Journey/It’s Easy”
Try "Romanticide," "Storytime" and "Song of Myself." (all Wacken 2013 live performances). I think those will be more up your alley
Expectations can kill an experience. Recently I listened to master of puppets with the same type of hype. It was ok, had a couple good guitar parts and liked the slowdown in the middle but overall it was just ok. I wonder if I wasn't told the song was the best metal song ever and just listened to it without expectations if I would've felt the same way.
Good honest reaction. Yes the guitar solo was not a "Pink Floyd" or "Rush" solo, however it was written to fit that position in the composition, and it was done flawlessly. And I think any other guitarist would have played it the same because that was how it was written. (my opinion--and everyone has one!!)
@sulrics
Fair enough, well said, I may have been a bit harsh haha, will try out their cover of high hopes
Thank you for sharing. Have wondered about Nightwish. (btw Brian May really Kicked Ass last night on QAL tour. (Made the guitar actually cry). (Never hate you....the message, according to Roger Taylor is....LOVE!) 😀❤️🌵
The point to the guitar solo was for it to fit the theme of the song. He shreds the CRAP out of that guitar, in Romanticide. It is all about fitting the theme of the song.
This sounds like what you would get if Celtic Women ever teamed up with Trans-Siberian Orchestra.
Wayne Cheslick 😂🌹
Nightwish - The Greatest show on Earth is a true masterpiece and will blow your minds.
not right away, needs some songs to warm up to that 👀
Do not judge them by this song listen to High Hopes cover of Pink Floyd if you want heavy try Romanticide or Dark Chest of Wonders.
Amazing you should say that.. I'm old enough to remember those exact same things being said about the queen song when it first came out.
This is one of their slower, simpler songs, but a good intro song for them. Most of their stuff is a little faster and heavier and the bassist also does vocals on a lot of songs and he's just as talented as Floor. Check out Romanticide from the same concert. Much more impressive solo
You guys see things too much for the technical side of music. Like me when i was 20. Music is about feeling not technique. The techiniques are just tools. Ways to reach a kind of sound.
I'm musician myself. Studied to play Clarinet and flute. Aplied my theoretical knowledge do learng guitar and bass by myself. I played very technical songs like, Iron Maiden, Stratovarius, Angra, RHCP, PFloyd, Sabbath, and others.
Took me years until i opened my eyes(ears in this case) and learn that music can be good without being intricated. Nightwish is not about technique. Is about telling stories and trasmiting feelings.
@Carlos Ferreira
Well said man!
Metal version of the pirates of the Caribbean is actually an accurate description of THIS song. Also consider Floor joined the band as the vocalist 48 hours before this performance. She is their third vocalist. Whomever compared it to Bohemian Rhapsody improperly set your expectations here. Bohemian Rhapsody has more than one vocalist and a lot of vocal interchange. There are quite a few songs by Nightwish where the female vocalist is lead, but the bassist sings as well. They have songs that are a lot more intense in terms of metal as well. This song was just epic in that it was live and Floor's performance was pretty incredible. There is a label about listening to her known as Floorgasm. This song was also originally sung by the first Nightwish vocalist Tarja. Tarja was almost purely opera in style. Floor can sing anything, but she was singing a Tarja song here... 48 hours... damn.... live... damn...
Floor did not join Nightwish 48 hours before Waken 2013. She joined while Nightwish was still in the western US, Seattle to be exact on October 1, 2012. The Waken show was August 3, 2013. I also find it hilarious that folks say things like.... "It sounds like dark Disney, Pirates of the Caribbean, Broadway, or a soundtrack" I mean... it is called Ghost Love SCORE!!!! We all know what a Score is...right? I'm guessing Tuomas planned for it to sound as such. Anywho... not trying to jab at ya Deva.
@@gregorysydow4428 Thanks - Yes others have corrected me on that. Apparently she joined 48 hours before her first show, but it wasn't Wacken.
Watch the whole show Wacken Open Air 2013. Floor was literally filling in as lead singer on very short notice. Nightwish has been around since like 1996 and if you think they sound like a typical rock band idk what to say 🤔
I must say, I stumbled across your videos while looking for Tool concert footage, and really enjoy your reactions. I wish I could go back in time and experience my first exposure to all these great tracks you guys are sharing. You both seem to understand music and music theory and your reactions are insightful. I'm glad great rock is not entirely lost on your generation.
This being said, I think you guys missed the boat a bit on this one. Never heard of this band before, never heard of Floor Jensen. I just stopped by to see your reaction. Ummm, this is pretty damn epic and you guys kinda ho-hummed it. It was complex, dynamic, emotional and powerful. Kind of a combination of Dream Theater and Evanescence IMO. The band was razor sharp, and ho-lee-krap Floor Jensen blew my hair back, especially on those vocal gymnastics at the end. I have since learned this is referred to as the "Floorgasm". And, uh my dude - That drummer was better than average as I've got some experience on the skins. He was rocking it out on the end.
I've probably watched this video 20 times by now. And, I particularly like watching reactions from vocal coaches to this video. Without fail, the ones who have never heard Floor before are all have their hair blown back as well. I'll be checking out some more Nightwish. Thanks for the introduction!
@Paul
Hey thanks Paul! I think we’re gonna try Nightwish out again sometime, I just think the bohemian rhapsody comment had us super skeptical. We just recorded a video for dream theatre a couple days ago, loved it. Honestly cutting edge musicians, bassist is insane.
@@andyandalex Yep, the Queen reference wasn't appropriate IMO. I saw Dream Theater few years back with Joe Satriani. I was exhausted half way through the show. This video had me running across some more weird euro rock. I'm sure you've had suggestions of Jinger - Pisces (Live Session) I won't ruin the surprise, but look out for the sucker punch.
I’m afraid you may have fallen into the trap of letting someone’s comment influence your opinion on a band. To be clear, THEY didn’t compare themselves to Queen. Someone did that for them. If you genuinely don’t like them, ok. You can’t like everything. But I feel like you may have had your mind a bit made up before hand. I’d say they’re more about the overall production than necessarily about blowing you away as musical virtuosos. Though, in my limited experience with the band, they can certainly do that as well.
Of course, I could be completely off the mark. What do I know? I enjoy your work gents. Keep it up.
@Cpt. James K Morgan
Yeah I hear ya, I think us reading that beforehand definitely effected how we approached it, will try to check them out in the future perhaps their high hopes cover, cheers friend! 😁
@@andyandalex Fair enough. Have a great evening.
@Cpt. James K Morgan
Likewise!
Yes. Always have been, are, and always will be Nightwish.
Any chance of first time hearing some Opeth ? Harlequin Forest from the album Ghost Reveries is a good starter. Love your honest reactions in your videos
This is not the "Bohemian Rhapsody" of metal. It is by the same band tho: The Poet and the Pendulum (Live at Wembley). Nightwish is extremely versatile. Everything from ballads, to basic heavy songs, epic long songs, even trashy stuff.
Guys, you kinda missed the point. This song was released in 2004. It has been covered by all three of their singers. The Wacken show was outstanding as a live performance. If you recall Bohemian Rhapsody had an operatic section which this composition had and Floor sang in her lyric register. I don't agree it is the Bohemian Rhapsody of anything. Regarding Metal Music this falls into a sub genre called Cinematic/Symphonic Metal. The orchestrations and choral parts are written by Tuomas (keyboards) and are arranged and recorded by concert musicians. The title Ghost Love SCORE should have given away the fact that it was a score and not a tune. As a performing musician myself, truly great players play to fit the song. The guitarist and the drummer are two of the best I've listened to (trust me I've heard them all at my age) in that they aren't trying to prove how great they are. Bassists aren't lead players and guitarists don't have to shred even if they're supposedly playing metal. The solo was a melody...the melody and fit perfectly in the arrangement. Telling us you've heard better from local musicians tells me you don't get out much. Once you leave the bar circuit you will meet those who don't play everything they know in one solo. Check out Phil Brown's Live In Seattle. There's a studio guy who can play anything and rips up a Strat doing his arrangements of Jimi's tunes. When you hear his studio tunes he doesn't use 1/3 or what he knows. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am sorry you started off under a misconception. The US isn't the home of this genre of music. Nightwish has been around for over 20 years and in Europe, Japan, England, South America, etc. are considered one of the greatest bands ever to take the stage or pick up an instrument. The Northern European rock roots are not steeped in R&B or Blues. Those kids have different musical traditions. Nightwish had only sold 500,000 units in the US up to 2012 according to Billboard. Worldwide they're in the millions. Your review makes sense with that in mind.
No one can ever say a bad word about Floor. She is indeed phenomenal. Too bad you couldn't appreciate them as a whole. I understand this is an honest reaction. I prefer an honest reaction over a fake smile. In my opinion Tuomas (keyboard) is a genius componist. He makes songs feel like a movie in a way. An adventure that makes you curious what's around the corner.
This is one of the most phenomenal songs I have ever heard, so I am taken aback at your response. If you want more of a hard driving song,, you might want to try Nightwish doing the song Romanticide. Listen to the live at Wakken version.
If you dont see more similarities between this and Bahamian Raphsody, you really shouldnt do music reviews.
And no, you've not played in with better drummers than Jukka ma'guy... if you had, those guys would be world famous.
Youre a Metallica-fan and dont get me wrong, I am too... but Lars is not a tenth of the drummer Jukka is.
Subjectively, I like Metallica more than Nightwish. Objectively, as in composition, timing and overall musicianship however, Metallica gets #Rekt.
Wanna proove me wrong? Show me a Metallica Live show that sounds like a studio recording... you wont find one.
Great reaction guy! Cant be mad at your honesty. In my opinion I believe that this song is basicly written solely to show off the vocalist. They have other songs that show everyone's abilitys better as a whole band. Literally any song from the Wacken 2013 show is a great performance, I hope you give them another chance. Romanticed or Song of Myself may be more to your taste
Ghost Love Score was written before Floor joined the band. But you are correct in that it does definitely show off what she can really do.
It was written for Tarja ~ Floor just simply owns it because she is that good and probably the only singer in the world that could overproject over that much background play. She also adds in thinhs Tarja could/did not in the original lyrically.
@@christophercollins9333 How do you know that? "Tarja could not do in the original lyricaly." I've heard Turunen in concert live, recently, in her 40s, and was astonished at some of the things she can do. The song was written without the 'big vocal ending' that Floor Jansen introduced and which has become a little passe now, what with little Emppu traipsing around the stage to give her a high five every time. That's it, period. You don't know what Turunen could have done in that final section had she been asked to. But that was never the intention, to play it out with anything other than the music and the recorded choir.
Thanks for giving them a listen. Honesty gives you credibility.
Nightwish composer is big fan of movie music and Hans Zimmer. So it's indeed metal version of Pirates_of_the_Caribbean.
This is very correct commentary and review, I like Nightwish and it is all ok, but the statement considering drummer skill and level is very, very inaccurate and big miss, specially from somebody that is listening metal and rock mucis, and maybe has some music playing experience. Drummer Jukka is very good drummer, and it is well known. He now gave that position in band to his friend Kai Hanto because of some health problems, and this other drummer now is also complete beast on drums, he was before in band Wintersun (which you can also check, like song Sons of Winter ans Stars) and some other bands. Also about the same inaccurate comment about gitar player, actually he is also very, very good, this particular solo is just nice and simple, that's all about that. Regards.
@Aca Radovanovic
I hear ya but you may have misunderstood me a little, I wasn’t saying the guitarist himself was bad or unskilled, just that the solo he played in this specific performance didn’t do it for me, he had great guitar choice, and tone, I’m sure he knows how to play. Want to check out their “High Hopes” cover 😁
So, let me recap: you liked the lead singer, the drummer, the synth with the ''pipes''. You didn't like the solo guitar as it was too simplistic. And no mention about the bass and understandable so, as it doesn't stand out in this song. But, may I ask you this: did you guys notice THE BACKGROUND CHOIR ? It has been almost all over, throughout the song, as powerful as Niagara Falls. Did you notice it, at least 1 % ? I assume not. You saw the trees, but not the forest.
If you guys are familiar with "Over the Hills and Far Away" Nightwish does a great cover of that. They've had a few different singers over the years, and the newest singer Floor is absolutely incredible, but you guys seemed to pick up on that. Their first singer Tarja was good, although she is very operatic. "Gethsemane" is one of my favorite songs by Nightwish, and it's one that barely anyone reacts to.
Good but operatic? That's an interesting one. I do agree with Gethsemane.
The focus of this song is not so much about the overall musicianship (which is amazing), it's all about "the Floorgasm" - the euphoric, spine-tingling, goose-fleshing feeling one gets from hearing the vocalist (Floor Jansen) hit those soaring high notes and switching from crystal-clear, angelic opera sounds to the grittier rock vocal stylings.
There's definitely that epic "Disney adventure film" sound and feel, particularly in the beginning (Pirates Of The Caribbean is a common reference), as well as the more ethereal and Celtic sounds in the middle and the second half of the song. In fact, for me, it took me several listens before i could really get into that opening cos of the "erratic" timing. But when i finally got used to it, it became one of the best parts of the song. Aside from all that, the real bang for the buck is that "money note" at the end.
The studio version of this song (which had the band's original vocalist, Tarja Turunen, whose style is more prominently in the opera realm) had a slightly different approach to the vocals toward the end - the final verse featured the higher registers more prominently, and the "freestyle" refrains of the chorus (after the actual chorus) in this live performance (which delivers that final note) was not even present in the studio mix (unless my ears simply cannot detect how deeply buried it is in there?), and the studio version of the song just fades out with the choral backing vocals. This formal cold ending would have been better.
Because of these aspects of "studio-vs-live", I break my usual rule about recommending how one hears songs for the first time ; which is to ALWAYS check out the STUDIO version FIRST, and then go check out the live version(s) to see how the song has evolved and how it translates live... but here, I am compelled to say, just go STRAIGHT to the live version - THIS live version, to be exact : Wacken Open Air 2013. The best of the best.
Well... hmm... maybe my rule still applies, to hear the studio version FIRST, cos if you "go studio" after hearing this Wacken 2013 performance, the studio mix could leave you just a little wee tad underwhelmed by comparison.
Thank you for your honest reaction! Since you guys are very much into progrock (at least that's the impression I've got from checking out some of your vids^^), I strongly suggest you give another Finnish band a chance: Wintersun. Not only is Jari Mäenpää (the band's founder, singer, guitar virtuoso and composer) an absolute genius, the whole band's technicality and muscianship are totally insane. Check out "Time" or "Sons of Winter and Stars" (Live Rehearsals at Sonic Pump Studios, Remaster) and see for yourself :D
In this band the musicians do not juggle, it is the music that is in the foreground.
The skills of musicians are at the service of music. They should not stand above the music. The composition (the keyboardist) and the singer (Floor Jansen) are the only ones that can shine, but will never do anything that spoils the music. I do not know if it's the keyboard player's idea, but that's how I understand this band. And as for Queen ... I do not understand, one metal band and the other is rock. But Floor is far more versatile than F. Mercury (I did not say better).
The not letting single instruments/player stand out is mostly a nature of the symphonic portion of symphonic metal. In classical symphonies and orchestra pieces it is also about the whole piece and not about letting singular instruments be at the forefront all the time hogging attention.
@@TerranigmaQuintet It's a good point. The guitar solo (for exemplo) is not virtuoso.
It need not be because it is a continuation of what was being developed in this song.