I feel like ppl make very vague comparisons to rachmaninoff. Being russian doesn’t make them similar, in fact rachmaninoff was very different from most of his colleagues or idols, such as Tchaikovsky or scriabin, or even Stravinsky
this composition sounds nothing like something rachmaninoff would write, and the his execution of the melody is very different, more like Scriabin or atterburg
maybe because the greatest composers we know are not all those who really were, and maybe because we know too many who weren't great composers, but the world thinks they are....
Underexposure (sometimes interchangeable with underrepresentation) can happen to great composers for multiple reasons. Lilli Boulanger is clearly one of a triumvirate of French orchestration and composition masters of her era but she is rarely mentioned alongside Ravel and Debussy, her peers. Sharwenka and Boulanger show that different reasons cause a deserving composer not to get the circulation their work merits. This is worth discussing because some ensembles have in turn dedicated themselves to correcting this but exacerbate underexposure (and in so doing, sometimes exacerbate historical wrongs) by serving only one possible reason for underrepresentation. In other words we'll program Boulanger but not Sharwenka on principle. Ensembles willing to program either best serve the public who fund their activities by embracing a broader mission of correcting undercirculation of great (underexposed, underrepresented) works.
He was quite popular in his day. His piano concerto 1 and 4 were extremely loved by almost all. Somehow, some things just fade into obscurity, even the much more famous Mendelssohn Piano Concerti were adored at the time of the composer and are a little underplayed in this day and age.
Attention! This wonderful music was written in 1889... How could the author imitate the Rachmaninov's Prelude which wasn't even composed? ..........”Hats off, gentlemen, a genius”.
I referred to this explication text posted above: @- The opening Maestoso might be said to reflect this tonality (did Scharwenka perhaps have Rachmaninoff ’s Prelude in mind?) and its stentorian tone is mightily impressive.@
ive listened to this concerto almost daily for over a month. its one of the most breathtaking pieces ive ever heard. Its like rachmaninoff and scriabin before rachmaninoff and scriabin, full of intensely lyrical pathos and moments of grandiose rage. the way the material is transformed throughout the piece is genius.
I think that out of all the Scharwenka's concertos, this one is the most solemn, majestic, and melodic. As a matter of fact it's exceptionally beautiful. Its circular structure also makes it more enjoyable as the composer really knew how to utilize his central theme and melodic lines. I can see the possible influence of this work on Moszkowski's Second Concerto and Rachmaninoff's Preludes. In my opinion, this is really a neglected masterpiece, and should be appreciated more. However, to be honest, this is an absurdly difficult concerto with all the crazy octave and chord jumping, a reason why I think this work is not performed more often.
It's highly doubtful that this concerto was influenced by Rachmaninoff as he had just started study at the conservatory in St. Petersburg in 1885 and was probably not well known around Europe yet.
16:45 Really loved the interpretation,how it gets from "pianissimo" to "fortissimo" and sounds pationately at 16:51 Reminds me Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto in c-minor. Great work!
As much as I love and enjoy the music of the ‘common great’ composers and revere them, it is a real tragedy that composers such as Scharwenka have fallen into obscurity. I literally just finished listening to Amy Beach’s C# minor Piano Concerto and thoroughly enjoyed it. There should be a real effort to try and save some of these composers from becoming little more than archived trifles which are only used in ‘discovery concerts’. There is something to behold in each composer’s work, regardless of their status when it comes to ranking ‘the greatest composers’.
I want to recommend you the imo best piano concerto out there: Kurt Atterberg - Pianoconcerto in Bflat-Minor. The NDR version is the best one. Go listen to it!
Bellissimo concerto di fine ottocento.Meravigliosamente romantico l'Andante ma tutto è perfettamente equilibrato tra piano e orchestra.Tecnica e ispirazione....Uno dei migliori concerti che abbia sentito.
I'll just go ahead and say it. I would put this piano concerto up against ANY piano concerto written by the likes of Brahms, Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff. It is a brilliant piece, full of color and verve and virtuosity!
This concerto, as well as Scharwenka's concertos number 4 and 2, are equally good as those of Brahms, Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky. They stand at the same superb level. Full stop.
Probably the single most underrated piano concert ever... at least Morit's Moskowsky got more attention, even his recently discovered Op 3. (first piano concerto) is more played on TH-cam than this gem.
After listening to 1,2 and 4 now NO: 3. They are all glorious. Thank you very much. 🌷🌷🌷(Holland) I have put No: 1 and 4 on Face-Book. I hope you don't mind sir.
20:00 did the pianist add some extra notes in the treble to “second” the main theme the orchestra is playing? It sounds beautiful but I can’t connect his playing to the score. Hearing some accented G#, A, and Bs. Just brilliant.
You may (or may not) crucify me but the more I listen to this, the more 1. I wonder why people write it's not really good/great/etc. 2. the more I'm convinced that this is my favourite piano concerto above all others - although I love Schumann's, Grieg's, Chopin's, Saint-Saens', Rachmaninoff's, Bartók's, Prokofiev's, Bortkiewitz's concertos, among others, besides what's Beethoven's due...
Unfortunatly the dating 1889 is an widespread error. Scharwenka startet the sketch for his third piano concerto in Summer 1898 not 1889. The concerto was premiered on january 27th 1899. Sources like Wikipedia and IMSLP got it wrong on that point.
Do you have a source for him starting the sketch and for the premier as well? The Monthly Musical Record Vol. 29 mentions the premier in the March 1st catalogue but doesn't give a date so it obviously had to have premiered in Berlin, somewhere in the first quarter of 1899.
Dont u hate it when after exactly every 10 minutes youtube puts an ad in the video... if your gonna disrupt the music, at least do it between the movements
I've played this concerto, and this part and onwards exactly was where I started, and I loved it so much, that I finished the whole piece over a few months... the ending of this concerto, the chords, melody... all of it.. just, amazing.
De la veine de Rachmaninoff , ce concerto très technique et virtuose ne manque pas de souffle même s’il tourne en rond ! Ancien enregistrement détestable .
@@olla-vogala4090 Hello again, it turns out that can't be possible either, as whilst the work was written in 1889, it wasn't published until 10 years later, by which time Rachmaninoff's Op. 3 had already been composed.
@@themusicalgerbil192 perhaps late one night Rachmaninoff snuck into where Scharwenka kept this concerto and,quiet as a mouse, he copied it out as quickly as he could before Scharwenka woke up and asked him for his autograph.
Rachmaninov had only published one Prelude, Op.3 No.2, before either 1889 or 1898. Weird comparison. I would say this is more like a Brahms concerto with better melodies and Polish charm. I have no idea why people are happy to challenge difficult shits like Rach 3 but complain about how technically demanding the works of Alkan, Scharwenka, Moszkowski, or other overlooked composers are and neglect them because of that.
Chopin was more experimental though. The last movement of the 2nd Sonata for instance. This piece - for all it’s nice qualities -isn’t pushing things forward particularly which is ok .
Please watch this at the lowest quality only (144p) since it's just for the music, which is much more ecologically responsible than at a higher rate. Watching this at 240p (which is unnecessary for listening purposes), will increase the bandwith by double to almost tenfold! At 1080 the bandwith is augmented by a factor of 100! The use of digital technology accounts for 4% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, as much as the emissions from the world's truck fleet. Of that, a BIG part comes from livestreaming videos, mainly 3 sources : TH-cam, Netlfix and porn. Let's enjoy this beautiful music by being aware and responsible, doing our little part in decreasing our carbon footprint and protecting this wonderful planet for the generations to come.
Steve, I don't like Prokofievv, perioed. I like music that is WARM and FRIENDLY! Miaskovsky was one of the few xomposers who expressed negat!ive emotions that are musically palpable to me. The end syms. of Tschaikowsky, Dvorak, Mahler and even Bruckner, don't ennoble; they just drag me down in rgeir miasma and depressed quagmire
and depressed quagmire. Nielsen haqd the right idea in his 6th, poke fun at life as a farce! Rubinstein, also, more subyly in his 6th. Tschakowsky's 6th is the worst piece of decadent shit written in the whole 19th Cent!
@@rogernortman9219 -- I can picture you now, in some remote alpine Swiss asylum with a nice view of the Eiger's north pass, in repose on a day-bed when, on occasion, a nurse forgets to administer your Prozac, and you explode with paroxysms of balderdash...until....exhausted....you slip into something more comfortable again....like a coma.....
That's weirding me out, how can you call Tchaikovsky 6th Symph. a "shit". You might not like it very much, nevertheless it is a phenomenal piece of music, the one we all can look up to.
In contrast to his first 2, I've found this concerto rather hard-bitten and cold, rather on the negative side. It's well written but not that enjoyable.
I can enjoy that a lot more than most other piano concertos and don't find it cold or anything. Those adjectives, and others like warm, cheerful, dark etc. mostly come to mind because people are not better-equipped with adjective for music - they, we, can't do better than turn to arts and other fields to explain its quality. And those adjectives are more measurable. But most of it is nonsense. Like reverential, religious ect., which I, not brought up in any religious faith, have never felt. My adjectives for this, though, would be heroic, stentorian as someone here said, but in turn even charming (think of the 3rd movement, e.g.), so I can also do no better. One thing, I think, is certain: enjoyment of music depends both on upbringing and individual taste. Enjoy what you like!
In response to Steve Gallo's remarks, ever hear of cyber bullying and teasing? How dare this individual psychoanalyze a total stranger over personal, subjective musical taste! I ought to report Mr. Gallo to TH-cam for harassment. My comments were very specific. Any decent person would relate to the substance, not pass judkment on a total stranger. Betcha Mr. Gallo is a Trump supporter!
"..with Rachmaninoff in mind.." This was written when Rach was 16, unlikely to influence anyone..
Actually, to add to that point, he hadn't even had his Op.1 published until he was 17
CORRECTION: it would appear that the description is wrong and this was written in 1898/99, when Rachmaninoff was in his late twenties
@@erikbreathes Correct Hysterikal
I feel like ppl make very vague comparisons to rachmaninoff. Being russian doesn’t make them similar, in fact rachmaninoff was very different from most of his colleagues or idols, such as Tchaikovsky or scriabin, or even Stravinsky
this composition sounds nothing like something rachmaninoff would write, and the his execution of the melody is very different, more like Scriabin or atterburg
How is nobody commenting about this theme!!! 23:41 (24:27) or 28:13 (28:59). It's literally the most passionately gorgeous melody I've ever heard!
Perhaps because most people can't make it to 23:41. Because of your comment, I jumped to that point. Now I'm jumping out to something less schmalzy.
@@bobschaaf2549 that is just so sad
@@bobschaaf2549 nothing wrong with a bit of schmalz every now and then :)
Since I discovered F. Xaver Scharwenka I have wondered how it is possible that he is not a recognized composer at the level of the greatest...
Underexposure. The same reason that classical music in general isn't one of the most popular genres, underexposure of the music to people.
maybe because the greatest composers we know are not all those who really were, and maybe because we know too many who weren't great composers, but the world thinks they are....
Underexposure (sometimes interchangeable with underrepresentation) can happen to great composers for multiple reasons. Lilli Boulanger is clearly one of a triumvirate of French orchestration and composition masters of her era but she is rarely mentioned alongside Ravel and Debussy, her peers. Sharwenka and Boulanger show that different reasons cause a deserving composer not to get the circulation their work merits. This is worth discussing because some ensembles have in turn dedicated themselves to correcting this but exacerbate underexposure (and in so doing, sometimes exacerbate historical wrongs) by serving only one possible reason for underrepresentation. In other words we'll program Boulanger but not Sharwenka on principle. Ensembles willing to program either best serve the public who fund their activities by embracing a broader mission of correcting undercirculation of great (underexposed, underrepresented) works.
He was quite popular in his day. His piano concerto 1 and 4 were extremely loved by almost all. Somehow, some things just fade into obscurity, even the much more famous Mendelssohn Piano Concerti were adored at the time of the composer and are a little underplayed in this day and age.
@@mr.p5446 ngl, that's a load of horse shit.
Attention! This wonderful music was written in 1889... How could the author imitate the Rachmaninov's Prelude which wasn't even composed? ..........”Hats off, gentlemen, a genius”.
I referred to this explication text posted above: @- The opening Maestoso might be said to reflect this tonality (did Scharwenka perhaps have Rachmaninoff ’s Prelude in mind?) and its stentorian tone is mightily impressive.@
Description has a typo. This was written in 1898/99 not 1889
It sounds nothing like Rachmaninoff’s
Thank you that person who reminded me to listen again , remind me again after a long while
ive listened to this concerto almost daily for over a month. its one of the most breathtaking pieces ive ever heard. Its like rachmaninoff and scriabin before rachmaninoff and scriabin, full of intensely lyrical pathos and moments of grandiose rage. the way the material is transformed throughout the piece is genius.
Fireworks of beauty and power.
I think that out of all the Scharwenka's concertos, this one is the most solemn, majestic, and melodic. As a matter of fact it's exceptionally beautiful. Its circular structure also makes it more enjoyable as the composer really knew how to utilize his central theme and melodic lines. I can see the possible influence of this work on Moszkowski's Second Concerto and Rachmaninoff's Preludes.
In my opinion, this is really a neglected masterpiece, and should be appreciated more. However, to be honest, this is an absurdly difficult concerto with all the crazy octave and chord jumping, a reason why I think this work is not performed more often.
honestly difficulty isnt issue as much now a days considering all the other crazy peices out there its just neglected ig
It's highly doubtful that this concerto was influenced by Rachmaninoff as he had just started study at the conservatory in St. Petersburg in 1885 and was probably not well known around Europe yet.
@@brianknapp8645Agreed. As said before... this came first.
OMG I love this concert, i want to play someday, i play the first one in a few months.
masterpiece that makes us feel a reminiscence of romance
16:45 Really loved the interpretation,how it gets from "pianissimo" to "fortissimo" and sounds pationately at 16:51
Reminds me Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto in c-minor.
Great work!
As much as I love and enjoy the music of the ‘common great’ composers and revere them, it is a real tragedy that composers such as Scharwenka have fallen into obscurity. I literally just finished listening to Amy Beach’s C# minor Piano Concerto and thoroughly enjoyed it. There should be a real effort to try and save some of these composers from becoming little more than archived trifles which are only used in ‘discovery concerts’. There is something to behold in each composer’s work, regardless of their status when it comes to ranking ‘the greatest composers’.
She's a great and genius composer indeed!
I want to recommend you the imo best piano concerto out there:
Kurt Atterberg - Pianoconcerto in Bflat-Minor.
The NDR version is the best one.
Go listen to it!
@@r0mmm Listening now.
Enjoying.
Just because you enjoy these terrible attempts at music, doesn't mean they're any good.
This has been going on in various quarters for about sixty years now................
I love Shawarmanka.
AHAHAHAH
@COrNotToC i think sarcasm was employed here.
the more I listen the more I like it !
That is epic beginning...owh mai gaaawd
Bellissimo concerto di fine ottocento.Meravigliosamente romantico l'Andante ma tutto è perfettamente equilibrato tra piano e orchestra.Tecnica e ispirazione....Uno dei migliori concerti che abbia sentito.
0:05 is a good place to start. ^
Everyone gangster until the piano pulls out FOUR STAVES!!!
I'll just go ahead and say it. I would put this piano concerto up against ANY piano concerto written by the likes of Brahms, Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninoff.
It is a brilliant piece, full of color and verve and virtuosity!
The weird syncopated triplets in the final bars are very unusual but sound very original and imposing. Very interesting piece, thank you for sharing!
Gorgeous
Highly underrated. Astounding!
Top notch work.
This concerto, as well as Scharwenka's concertos number 4 and 2, are equally good as those of Brahms, Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky. They stand at the same superb level. Full stop.
Ha that's so funny I think I like this one the best!
I agree with you
It am thinking of playing it
Probably the single most underrated piano concert ever... at least Morit's Moskowsky got more attention, even his recently discovered Op 3. (first piano concerto) is more played on TH-cam than this gem.
I think the op. 3 is something unto itself. I support your comment though!
Moszkowski No. 2 is another underrated gem :)
@Józef Hofmann I agree wholeheartedly. This is music for a novel yet to be written.
C'mon, Atterberg Pianoconcerto is very underrated too!!!
Scharwenka 1 and 4 have always been much more popular than 2 or 3 do this really is some of the most obscure music.
unbelivable that this is not played everywhere.
After listening to 1,2 and 4 now NO: 3. They are all glorious. Thank you very much. 🌷🌷🌷(Holland) I have put No: 1 and 4 on Face-Book. I hope you don't mind sir.
cyclic thematicism, me gusta.
20:00 did the pianist add some extra notes in the treble to “second” the main theme the orchestra is playing? It sounds beautiful but I can’t connect his playing to the score. Hearing some accented G#, A, and Bs. Just brilliant.
The last few notes of the first theme sounds like Brahms' Quintet. That was published two decades before this piece. Just a thought, anyone?
It reminds me of his Piano Concerto!! I was coming to see if anyone said the said and if they ever crossed paths!!
So beautiful!! I love the Rachmaninoff Textures and piano writing :)
It is so difficult to find a decent Piano Concerto in this Key :)
The Rimsky-Korsakov!
Remind me to come back and listen this
here is your reminder
@@kieuucanh1220 thanks
You may (or may not) crucify me but the more I listen to this, the more 1. I wonder why people write it's not really good/great/etc. 2. the more I'm convinced that this is my favourite piano concerto above all others - although I love Schumann's, Grieg's, Chopin's, Saint-Saens', Rachmaninoff's, Bartók's, Prokofiev's, Bortkiewitz's concertos, among others, besides what's Beethoven's due...
Beautiful ❤️😊!
Музыка-единственное Утешение в минуты печали. Что ты делаешь с сердцем человека???!!!
Она и в моем СЕРДЦЕ.
Masterpiece 📣📣📣📣📣📣📣
wow Bravo
FANTASTIC.
About Rahmaninov's influence ::) I wonder if he heard this concerto, or even knew about it.
Especially since this was first 😊
Unfortunatly the dating 1889 is an widespread error. Scharwenka startet the sketch for his third piano concerto in Summer 1898 not 1889. The concerto was premiered on january 27th 1899. Sources like Wikipedia and IMSLP got it wrong on that point.
Do you have a source for him starting the sketch and for the premier as well? The Monthly Musical Record Vol. 29 mentions the premier in the March 1st catalogue but doesn't give a date so it obviously had to have premiered in Berlin, somewhere in the first quarter of 1899.
January 1899.
素晴らしいとしか言いようがない...
how did i miss this over chopin, rachmaninoff, liszt, scriabin, tchaikovsky, godowsky, etc.
this is my new favorite concerto
Dont u hate it when after exactly every 10 minutes youtube puts an ad in the video... if your gonna disrupt the music, at least do it between the movements
у Оркестра два стана, а у ф-но 4, где ещё такое можно увидеть?
Impressed :)
Muito lindoooo.
Ótimo.
29:00
I've played this concerto, and this part and onwards exactly was where I started, and I loved it so much, that I finished the whole piece over a few months... the ending of this concerto, the chords, melody... all of it.. just, amazing.
precioso
De la veine de Rachmaninoff , ce concerto très technique et virtuose ne manque pas de souffle même s’il tourne en rond ! Ancien enregistrement détestable .
Thanks for uploading. It's a beautiful piece. Do you have this score in PDF? The one of IMSLP is not as clean as this :(
Cyclic use of main theme which opens the work is notable.
28:59
24:24
시작 0:06
4:04, 16:18, 18:01, 28:14
How could Scharwenka have had Rachmaninoff's prelude in mind if it hadn't been written yet?
+Gerbil Jim Ah yes, you're right... well, perhaps it was the other way around then ;)
@@olla-vogala4090 Hello again, it turns out that can't be possible either, as whilst the work was written in 1889, it wasn't published until 10 years later, by which time Rachmaninoff's Op. 3 had already been composed.
@@themusicalgerbil192 perhaps late one night Rachmaninoff snuck into where Scharwenka kept this concerto and,quiet as a mouse, he copied it out as quickly as he could before Scharwenka woke up and asked him for his autograph.
Touch of anger, too.
Was it something I said...?
Hey, classical listener here! why the *fuck* are there ads on this? Hmm?
The uploadee isn't to blame. The recording isn't their property, so, whoever recorded it has the right to put ads on it. Use AdBlock.
The start sounds like Star wars combined with Rachmaninov to me.
Oh my god why isnt every romanticism aficionado fanboying/-girling/-diversing over this guy he is insanely good
31:10
“… indicates that Chopin has been left behind in favour of something more full-bodied.”
😂 whoever wrote this, please write more!!
A real discovery such a pity his music is seldom performed.
10:35 27:13
12:35 bruh
Rachmaninov had only published one Prelude, Op.3 No.2, before either 1889 or 1898. Weird comparison. I would say this is more like a Brahms concerto with better melodies and Polish charm.
I have no idea why people are happy to challenge difficult shits like Rach 3 but complain about how technically demanding the works of Alkan, Scharwenka, Moszkowski, or other overlooked composers are and neglect them because of that.
I think this piece sounds like Chopin would live longer about 79 years old to compose a concerto.
Chopin was more experimental though. The last movement of the 2nd Sonata for instance. This piece - for all it’s nice qualities -isn’t pushing things forward particularly which is ok .
It sounds like Moszkowski
Warum wird dieser erstaunliche Komponist heute so ignoriert?
Please watch this at the lowest quality only (144p) since it's just for the music, which is much more ecologically responsible than at a higher rate. Watching this at 240p (which is unnecessary for listening purposes), will increase the bandwith by double to almost tenfold! At 1080 the bandwith is augmented by a factor of 100!
The use of digital technology accounts for 4% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, as much as the emissions from the world's truck fleet. Of that, a BIG part comes from livestreaming videos, mainly 3 sources : TH-cam, Netlfix and porn.
Let's enjoy this beautiful music by being aware and responsible, doing our little part in decreasing our carbon footprint and protecting this wonderful planet for the generations to come.
lmao
Poor little woke snowflake
Im just saving data not caring about the environment directly
This is a well-written concerto, but emotionally it is hard-bitten and hifghly negative.
Roger Nortman -- Oh....then you won't like Prokofiev's 5th either....Richter's reading is superb!
Steve, I don't like Prokofievv, perioed. I like music that is WARM and FRIENDLY! Miaskovsky was one of the few xomposers who expressed negat!ive emotions that are musically palpable to me. The end syms. of Tschaikowsky, Dvorak, Mahler and even Bruckner, don't ennoble; they just drag me down in rgeir miasma and depressed quagmire
and depressed quagmire. Nielsen haqd the right idea in his 6th, poke fun at life as a farce! Rubinstein, also, more subyly in his 6th. Tschakowsky's 6th is the worst piece of decadent shit written in the whole 19th Cent!
@@rogernortman9219 -- I can picture you now, in some remote alpine Swiss asylum with a nice view of the Eiger's north pass, in repose on a day-bed when, on occasion, a nurse forgets to administer your Prozac, and you explode with paroxysms of balderdash...until....exhausted....you slip into something more comfortable again....like a coma.....
That's weirding me out, how can you call Tchaikovsky 6th Symph. a "shit". You might not like it very much, nevertheless it is a phenomenal piece of music, the one we all can look up to.
This concerto is less interesting than his other concertos~
Would you mind responding to my reply on your first comment about Moskowski's piano concerto?
no I think it's one of the best
no it really isn't
and who are you to decide?
In contrast to his first 2, I've found this concerto rather hard-bitten and cold, rather on the negative side. It's well written but not that enjoyable.
I can enjoy that a lot more than most other piano concertos and don't find it cold or anything. Those adjectives, and others like warm, cheerful, dark etc. mostly come to mind because people are not better-equipped with adjective for music - they, we, can't do better than turn to arts and other fields to explain its quality. And those adjectives are more measurable. But most of it is nonsense. Like reverential, religious ect., which I, not brought up in any religious faith, have never felt. My adjectives for this, though, would be heroic, stentorian as someone here said, but in turn even charming (think of the 3rd movement, e.g.), so I can also do no better. One thing, I think, is certain: enjoyment of music depends both on upbringing and individual taste. Enjoy what you like!
Sadness is part of emotion and music is supposed to bring it
In response to Steve Gallo's remarks, ever hear of cyber bullying and teasing? How dare this individual psychoanalyze a total stranger over personal, subjective musical taste! I ought to report Mr. Gallo to TH-cam for harassment. My comments were very specific. Any decent person would relate to the substance, not pass judkment on a total stranger. Betcha Mr. Gallo is a Trump supporter!
What does the politics have to music???
How can someone copy someone who came after said person???