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The Blücher is indeed named after Field Marshal Blücher. Just like how the Bismarck was named after Otto von Bismarck.
There were several problems with sending in the Luftwaffe. First of all, many of the planes did not have sufficient range, at least not with the required payload to take out the defenses in one strike.
The more pressing concern however was that this would give Norway advanced warning. This was a surprise assault in the middle of the night. The German high command and navy gambled on them simply being let through or the startled defenders not reacting quickly enough. This actually worked in many places, but not Oslo. Mainly thanks to the commander.
More importantly, tipping off the enemy would completely negate the entire point of forcing the strait with ships in the first place. They wanted to capture the King and the government in Oslo, this could only have succeeded if the ships could force their passage in the opening move of the conflict.
I say conflict, not war because the goal was to force Norway to submit without a fight. Effectively making the collaborator government a German ally with support of the King as opposed to Germans being an occupying force. Kind of like Denmark.
So, even if they could have somehow coordinated the ships passing the fort with a perfectly timed airstrike by bombers low on fuel with insufficient payload.... Killing more or less defenseless soldiers would be insanely counterproductive to the overall aim of the invasion as it makes collaboration unlikely.
In the end the German gamble didn't pay off and they would have to spend a not insignificant chunk of troops guarding Norway until 1945, but it could easily have gone differently.
Hindsight is 20/20 and risking a modern cruiser in a gamble was worth it with the potential payout in mind. Oh and they also massively underestimated the capabilities of old the shore batteries.
there was only one reason the luftwaffe wasnt used. they had range for light strikes on oslo. but this was supposed to be a supprice attack aiming to capture the goverment. planes cant capture people
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Defenseless? Certainly not against ships. I don't know about the Oscarsborg fortress' AA defences, if ever they had some.
Sadly Norwegian authorities ignored the fact that around noon of April 8th the Polish submarine ORP Orzeł (working with Royal Navy after her escape in '39) stopped a civilian freighter used to transport troops and weapons. Germans tried to play for time to call a backup, but Poles saw through that and sent 2 torpedoes (one by one, rather than salvo). When Norwegians had begun to pick up shipwrecked soldiers from the ship, the authorities ignored it.
One of the reasons for the decision to fire, was that the German ships didn't use their lanterns, making it clearer that they weren't coming for a friendly visit.
Another saying goes, that Birger Eriksen said "Visst fanden skal der skytes med skarpt!" meaning, "Damn straight we're firing live ammo", as opposed to blanks/training ammo.
I never knew the reasons for this, but If there were a lot of new recruits, then it makes sense that someone could've asked.
I think the reason is that according to rules of engagement they should first fire warning shots (at least before official hostilities have begun). Apparently Eriksen either chose to ignore that due to the situation or alternatively considered that warning shots had (or should have) already been given by the more southern Oslofjord fortress battery.
@@seneca983 his toughs was more in the way of heis just 7 days raw recruits, will not be able to reload the guns under fire. The fortress was after all used as a training base, not as a fully operational fortress with well trained soldiers
@@heuhen I think that falls under the "Eriksen [...] chose to ignore that [rules of engagement] due to the situation" part of my comment.
10:21 Land-based torpedo launchers are incredibly rare. Due to their limited range and firing angles, they are only usefull in location like the Oslo fjord, where the range is short and enemy ships have little room ot maneuver.
we build many of them in Norway, specially during the cold war, all heavily classified. There was even one build well after cold war era, finished in early 2000 and laid down on the same day, it was on the previous budget, from the previous long term military plan, we are getting a new long term plan for the military this year. The previous one was about reduction of the military, due to more calm times.
The range of German bombers was the problem, they couldn't reach longer tha the south of Norway and the reason for the invasion of Denmark.
Another reason to not start with a bombing raid was that they wanted to capture the king.
There's a movie about the days following this event. I think it's called "The King's choice" or something like that. (Kongens nei, is the Norwegian title)
Love these reactions.
As a Norwegian i must say that the government investigators dared to say Colonel Eriksen had surrendered earlier than necessary is sickening as the government before the war for decades cut in military budgets, just as they are today, the incompetence of our government to this day is appaling.
I know this may seem a bit weird but as much as I'm inclined to agree, I also think they were closer to Janteloven (I'm Danish, not gonna butcher the Norwegian..) back then. i.e. If they wanted to give him the award, they'd have some partisan fool charge them with incompetence and then spend weeks laying out in detail just how great a job he did. They wouldn't just come out and say from the start that he deserved a medal, that'd be blowing ones own trumpet. I seem to recall a number of naval commands went along a similar route - Nelson and others would be brought up on charges of failure to do this or that, cowardice in the face of the enemy, insubordination or recklessness - and then the events would be aired before some NMilitary or Naval tribunal, Parliament or whoever and Queenie would come along and pin another medal on them or the Admiralty would give them their latest -cursed- flagship to command. Whoever brought the charges would vanish into the shadows like some sorta Black Adder character.
as a fellow norwegian i can say that i agree
Look events with caution and reason, but never trust pacifists. Never, ever trusts them. They only weaken any country they are from.
The issue with the Luftwaffe was that it would completely give up the core reason for the invasion of Oslo. Germany intended to capture the king of Norway, force him to abdicate and install a puppet government that would be "legitimate". The Luftwaffe bombings would have given advanced warning for the king to escape. The plan was to sail an invasion force under radio silence and complete blackout right up the the capital and capture the Norwegian government before they even knew they were being attacked. Thats why Oscorsborg was so pivotal. The Kriegsmarine didnt think a 200 year old fortress firing 50 year old guns, being manned by cadets and commanded by a man weeks from retirement would be any threat at all...instead that crappy little fort blew up the flagship and delayed the invasion a day giving the king of Norway a chance to flee the capital, set up a resistance government and save the treasury from being robbed in the upcoming war.
Your letter idea isn't that far off. One wry saying is "Germany took control of Denmark in two days, Norway in two months, and Sweden with a two-minute phone call."
They never had to take Sweden, as they remained "neutral" but rather german-leaning until the tides turned in 1942 (battle of Kursk).
Pretty solid effort by the Norwegians there, even with antiquated equipment. Very good.
The torpedoes were old, even if the concept itself was rather modern. History has shown that older torpedoes sometimes work more reliably than modern ones. The most famous example is perhaps from the Falklands Conflict, when the submarine HMS Conqueror used WWII-vintage Mk. 8 torpedoes instead of the more modern Mk. 24 "Tigerfish" torpedoes that had shown themselves to be unreliable.
The US struggled a lot with their torpedoes early in the war. Drachinifel has a great video about it: th-cam.com/video/eQ5Ru7Zu_1I/w-d-xo.html
So dunno if anyone have answered the questions posed in the vid, they might have but here is another take xD:
"Why didn't the Germans send a letter demanding Norway's surrender?"
Well, for a few reasons - mainly 2: For one, it would alert both Norway and the British that the Germans intended to invade Norway, giving them both time to act. As said in the vid, Norway was neutral, but was leaning more towards joining the British than the Germans, and the British were already playing with the idea of invading Norway before the Germans had the option to do so to rob them of the chance. Sending a letter would reveal intent, and would stack the deck against them later down the line, so Operation Weserübung (which was the simultaneous attack and invasion of both Denmark and Norway) was made to be done in secret, giving both the targets and the observers no time to react before it was too late. Secondly, Germany intended to play the invasion off as them intervening and protecting Denmark and Norway from the British, who also played with the idea of invading, which was the narrative the Norwegian Nazi collaborators was telling both prior to and after the invasion. Sending the declaration of a hostile takeover would remove the pretense of them coming to Norway's aid, therefore they did not.
"Why didn't they just send in the Luftwaffe and bomb the coastal batteries to hell?"
Again, for a couple of reasons: Firstly, the range of the German bombers was to short to be able to make bombing runs from German soil into Norway and then fly out again back to Germany, this is one of the reasons why Denmark was included in Operation Weserübung, because of tactical positioning. Planes from Denmark could easily make the trip to Norway and back, but the country had to be invaded and conquered first, and since Denmark actually borders with Germany itself, they were attacked first on the same day as the invation of Norway. Secondly, going back to the point discussed above, the Germans really wanted to sell that they had come to help and protect the Norwegians from the British, but that narrative kind of goes out the window if your first action when crossing the sovereign borders of another nation is to bomb one of their key military installations xD Besides, their Norwegian collaborators in the government had assured them that Norway would stand by their principle of neutrality, they assured them that there would be no opposition - Col. Eriksen, the commander of the fort DID have standing orders to only fire warning shots, but he himself chose to go against said orders. So simply put, the Germans didn't bomb the battery because they really didn't think that they would open fire on them.
This was of course achieved later after the sinking of the Blücher when German bombers were sent from the freshly capitulated Denmark and bombed the fort and the surrounding coastal batteries to hell, both in retaliation and in securing German control.
Weather was an issue. They sent Ju52 with paratroopers to seize the Oslo airport, but many had to return to Danish bases. While it is possible that the Luftwaffe with paratroopers could have seized the King and gouvernment (which was the main point of the surprise attack), the fact that troops from the Kriegsmarine-force gave the german the initial ompf to take control of Oslo and the area around the fjord, albeit not before the King and his gouvernment managed to escape northwards. Regarding bombing Oscarsborg, 20/20 hindsight is the thing. They didn't think Oscarsborg was operational, and they also believed that the Norwegian army was too poorly trained and lead to have the guts to fire on them (which proved to be correct in most of the other ports). Anyways, bombing Oslo would certainly not be able to stop the King and gouvernment from pulling out of the city, and it would buy the Norwegian army more time to prepare a proper defence (which you don't want with Norwegian landscape heavily favouring the defender)
If you would be american commander in chief, Taliban would occupy Washington.
Giving Norway any warning whatsoever would allow allies to provide reinforcements to the Norway, and allow allied navies to block passage to German ships.
They wanted to capture the Norwegian king, government and gold reserves in one swift strike which would make them surrender immediately or make coordinated resistance much hard if not impossible
Also I'm not sure if you read then off camera but every history marche video has, in the last minute or so, like 3 footnotes or facts about the topic covered in the video. Depending on how old the video is they may be show one after the other like in this video or all at once in a corner like ur latest Hannibal video. They often have interesting stuff to add or give insight on something that might be a little puzzling in the video.
Love your reactions and enthusiasm for history, keep up the good work man
It's actually a video by BazBattles, not HistoryMarche.
@@Icetubexd omg I'm fricking blind 😂 ty, I just watched his reaction on Aurelian, but still they both have them
There is a scene of the sinking of the blucher from the movie kings choice that i whould recomend reacting to
So the movie version of this battle is on youtube. Serch "Kongens Nei Blucher" Wich means The kings No and the name of the lead battleship from Germany Blucher.
It seems you watched this just around the time I actually was in Norway and made Oscarsborg one of my must-see stops. A brilliant place to visit, especially considering that thanks to those few hours bought by the sinking of Blücher, Norway is one of the longest-resisting countries attacked by the Nazis (longer than France). In comparison, the same day also saw an attack on Denmark, which was finished on that same day (but there's not really anywhere to run to, unlike in the massive Norway).
They had to transport troops,but the Luftwaffe were to take control of airports...
That torpedo battery had been built to defend against a Swedish naval invasion.
Which is something Sweden planned in the case of war in 1905.
The norwegian government didn't get nearly enough criticism after the war for how badly they had misstreated the armed forces before the war and how badly they bungled the warning they had of the invasion.
The German planes did not have range to reach Oslo until Denmark surrendered. Wich was many hours later. Remember planes at the beginning of 1940 bearly had range fly further then to neighbouring countries. And Norway is long country. It's a 10 hour drive from Oslo to German border. If you travel through Sweden and Denmark. And it's bit over a days drive if you take the boat from Oslo through Denmark to Germany.
If I remember correctly, Oslo was not in the operational range of the Luftwaffe.
Luftwaffe later bombed Oscarsborg because they captured Denmark.
They wanted to capture Sola - iirc - airport too, in Norway, but German paratroopers met hard resistance from local troops and security, and then there was also the delay of the Kriegsmarine of course.
You underestimate the Norwegian will to defend their home. Suggesting that they would simply surrender just because the German military sends a demand is ignorant and disrespectful to the Norwegian defenders courageous actions. Furthermore the German Luftwaffe had a limited operational range. It's not that the German Luftwaffe wouldn't use their planes it's that they couldn't, these things take time.
Luftwaffe was indeed a powerful force at the time. But aircraft don't occupy street corners very well.
If you want to go down the naval route, please look into the HMS Warspite.
Warspire just casually no scoping the Italians.
you schold watch kings choice sinking of blucher
One of the main reasons the operation had to be a surprise was the second the Norwegians realise they're gonna be invaded by the Germans whether they're neutral or not they'll appeal to the allies, particularity the Royal Navy for help.
The thing is Germany didn't have the copious supplies that 'the best way' would usually require. It *could* have worked without sending the bombers, if the Norwegian defences were less effective, if the torpedo tubes weren't ready to go or if the Commander had "waited for orders from higher up" as an excuse to do nothing and a number of other scenarios. The economy of war was central in most decisions, they couldn't 'just' use thousands of gallons of fuel, dozens of planes and air-crews if more efficient methods were available. They'd be sending the ships after the bombings anyway - I think they were just tryna save the expense in oil, saving the big ticket kit for when it was necessary and not just desirable. But when you consider the odds that the Brits/Allies were willing to take on - with St. Nazaire in particular, truly 'The Greatest Raid of All' or at Arnhem, then it doesn't seem like much of a long shot by the Germans here, not really. Glad Norway got a hero out of this though. U think the defensive guns were Krupp too, good German (ok maybe Prussian but..) guns lol gotta love the irony of the nearly obsolete torps too.
There’s a movie covering the Norwegian side of things: The King’s Choice, and I suggest that you watch it as it is quite a good movie
This channel has epic videos, you've got to check out the naval ones especially
The same tactic worked in Danmark, so it is not so strange. And remember, Hitler said of himself; I am a gambler.... he hated old generals with no creative ideas...
First; it's desirable when executing a "surprise attack" to capture another nation's royal family, not to send a letter a week before saying "surrender or we will invade and imprison your king". Second; Luftwaffe did not have range to attack Norway until the following day, when they had captured the airfields in Denmark, which is why Denmark was also invaded, to extend the Luftwaffe's reach
If you liked this, you should react to this scene from "King's Choice": th-cam.com/video/YZ79i11JSnU/w-d-xo.html with subtitles on.
if u have used the Luftwaffe.its not an surprise attack.and planes dont have an landing force with them.point was capturing king and gouverment.u cant do that by announse 1st with bombing..its kinda obvious...its weird you didnt think that way.
I can imagine the Luftwaffe would have been very powerful against Norway, just this thing called the Anglo-Norwegian alliance and the RAF in their way though.
11:40 They didnt surrender because of the Luftwaffe. They surrendered because opposition at that point was pointless because the ships had left. They were too few to hold the fort and it would just lead to allot of death of hes own without too much military gain. The Luftwaffe did zero damage. Norway lost 0 dead or injured in that battle.
check naval battle of narvik 1940
The reason for it is simple. Htiler thought Norway would let them through without opening fire. The Nazis learned the hard way
AUKUS - check out Kakoda trail to battle of Bismarck sea March 1942 - March 1943
9:19 Yes
kings choice great movie watch it
Also highly recommend real engineering's d day videos
Why not fly the luftwaffe?? please think of their objective for this invasion. Then ask this question again.
Hi, have you ever heard of or seen the vid of The L.A. Speed Check story ? It's a crazy, quite funny story of something that could only have happened in the USA at that particular time in America's History. Could never have happened in any other country, ever. It involves the SR-71 Blackbird & Astronaut Qualified Pilots with a Razor Sharp sense of Humour :)
Don't like your attitude, didn't watch, won't watch anything of yours, sorry.