Hey David thank you so so much for the tutorials. I have only been looping for around 6 months and as a solo one man band playing covers in a five star hotel six nights a week in London. I find the hotels are not wanting tracks just guitar and looping. So it kind of forced me into looping. I absolutely love it but it’s taught me to stretch my playing ability also. Interestingly I have the Voicelive 3 extreme and the OC 3 but have recently added a RC 300 looper and it’s just so much easier with a separate unit. I still use the looper on the VL but found the RC to be amazingly more simple. Please continue doing loop tutorials. I need all the help I can get. Thanks mate appreciate it all 👍🏻👍🏻🎶
Hi Wallace! I've got another loop tutorial coming out this Thursday that I think you'll appreciate then! :) I have considered getting the RC300 or the ditto x4 so that I have a dedicated unit also - makes life a lot simpler!
David Shanhun yea I must admit the dedicated unit is simply amazing. The RC 300 has changed a load of things for me. I really enjoyed your Earth Wind and Fire tutorial it was amazing. Will hopefully get it done this week. Please let me know as soon as you do a few more. Would really appreciate them. I get asked for so many Ed Sheeran songs it’s crazy.
That surprises me as the voicelive looks easier than the RC 300? I tried an RC300 for a good hour in a music shop once and got nowhere with it and I’m usually adept with these things. The voicelive looks easier as you don’t have to be constantly bending down and changing parameters. The downside is it’s really only a two track looper isn’t it with the third being rhythm? I still think the best looper out there today is an app called Group the Loop on the iPad but you need a foot controller, audio interface and guitar fx to use it live!!!!
Hi David. That looked and sounded so effortless. And you come across as the nicest person ever. I know what you did, in real time, after 4 gigs, while also explaining how to do it, and nailing it the whole time, is insanely difficult.
I just got back into playing after a few years just nothing feeling much of anything. Its amazing what can be done with just simple beats and sounds and a looper pedal plus an acoustic guitar.
I'm getting into looping with a boss rc-30 And seeing you loop on of my favorite songs to play at gigs...You helped me put things into perspective. You're awesome 👌🏾.. New Sub here.
Hey, top video my man. Thank you. Can I ask what you use as a pick up and what’s the the thing on the sound hole for ? I have an lr baggs M1 passive and am new to looping. With this pick up all percussion on the guitar sounds the same. Can you recommend a reasonably priced replacement? Thank you 🙏
Thank you. The LR Baggs anthem would be the upgrade to go for beyond that - however, because it has a mic as part of the pickup if you record whilst singing you will get a bit of that in the mix haha! No guarantees sadly regardless of the pickup system, as it depends on the guitar build and resonance also as to what will get picked up and included. The good thing with the LR baggs anthem series though is you can change the mix of the mic to suit 👌. Hope that helps!
Have you thought about getting the voicelive extreme? I think TC helicon should send you one seeing as you have more or less sold it to lots of peeps including myself😃
heya, I considered it, but I don't use backing tracks for anything so the extra features seem a bit lost on me (although they are cool). Have been having some cool chats with them regarding future gear though. Excited to see what they release down the track!
Absolutely. All loop pedals allow you to do this. Some of them allow you to record separate tracks and mute either of them at different times whilst keeping the other one going.
First, thanks for this video - you get some really great sounds and it doesn't sound computerized at all. I've watched a couple of your performance videos and you always seem to have the sound hole covered - is that a humidifier or just there to mute the sound?
Hey Brad - I don't always use the LR Baggs preamp - but I do find it adds an extra richness running it before the VL3, with all settings flat when I use it now.
I was playing yesterday using the boss ve-8 pedal which has a Looper and busking live for the first time using loops. I really appreciate your video because it gives some good tips. And a real example of a great song. I only use the loop for some simple rhythm. I did build a bit of an instrumental and that was pretty good too. But I guess I did have some question of how you move off the loop smoothly? Because you build something up and then suddenly you click it off if you have only one Loop to deal with and it just disappears. Meaning it might not be a smooth transition and suddenly bring out a silence. It might be different if you could have the Rhythm or percussion as one Loop and the guitar rhythm has another lube and some background vocals as another loop and if you have a pedal controlling them all separately that might be another scenario. I'd like to be able to do that at some point but right now I only have a pedal which can do one Loop and I want to figure out how to use it wisely.
Hey Cyrus thanks for your comment! There is a way to do this even using only one pedal (build up a big loop and then drop back only some of it). It's a little bit sneaky and just takes a bit of thought when creating your loop at the start. Which pedal are you using to perform with at the moment?
Thanks for the info! I want to start doing my own live sessions in my room. However may I ask what are you processing the sound out from? Your guitar amp? I want to add a drum machine to my performance however I heard that if I want to incorporate drums I need to get a PA system because the drum sounds may not be good for my guitar amp. Any advice would be great. Thank you.
Hey Nate! This was running through a 15inch PA speaker and I think I recorded the audio simply from the room for this particular video. Drums usually aren't great to put through a guitar amp because of their bottom end, which guitar amps aren't usually designed to handle that well. It obviously does work, but not designed for it. In saying all of this, I've often gigged with my tone running though my guitar amp (which means all my bass and guitar slapping rhythm sections going through the amp too, I keep my amp volume low as a foldback essentially, and then crank the rest through a full PA. So that low tone is going through my guitar amp, but not at crazy loud levels that push it. Probably still not idea, as the small speaker is trying to push a bunch of air with the low frequencies, but haven't killed anything yet! 😂Ideally I'd run your guitar stuff through your amp, and get a full range speaker that you can run your drums through. Otherwise, use headphones/in ears so it's not too obvious, and you could run the drum machine into a desk, and record straight out from the desk (with headphones to hear), that way you can run the guitar amp signal into the desk, the drum machine direct into the desk, and don't actually need another speaker or full PA system. Ideas anyway! ....and a super long reply haha! Hope that's useful!
Question. The only way to use say harmony or delay or reverb you would need to just have a preset above or below what your building with. You can’t get out of the loop screen ? Thanks You’re a badass
not sure I quite understand the question... but. If you're wanting to stay on the looping screen only and get a harmony etc, then yes - copy the exact preset you are using to the next preset number - and set the harmony to 'on' or effects etc that you're wanting. then you can stay in the looper screen and still have changes. Was that what you were asking? Otherwise - once you've created your loops - you can just hold down the layer button to exit the looper screen and you'll have access to turn on and off all of your effects as normal while the loop continues. This vid might also be handy for you on setting things up - th-cam.com/video/NONbI_MLYbk/w-d-xo.html
Great tutorial, thanks! I have a very similar setup with VL3. Can you tell me how you get a good lead sound on the acoustic? I’ve tried without success, I get a ton of feedback. If you could create a video on this or take a pic of the settings I would appreciate it. Thanks!
hey Robert - I will take a photo or short vid of my settings for you. It's something that can be a struggle, usually I find having a lower gain and also using a feedback buster (or similar) also helps a lot as soon as there is overdrive or distortion with an acoustic gat.
Thanks! I’ll look forward to it! Also, while you at it if you could shoot the bass and percussion settings. I’ve found that the bass sound out of the VL3 is not that good but separate pedals like the TC Subn’up and others are much better. I assume when you are looping bass effect or percussion it is with a dry setting? I’ve been told to use the STEP function for this but have not figured it out yet. So my percussion and bass loops have my acoustic guitar effects which is not optimal. Thanks again!
I use my standard guitar settings when doing percussion, but I have a pretty light reverb so it works pretty well. You could button map to turn the reverb on or off for percussion if you wished though (or any effect for that matter). I did a video on my specific bass settings here - th-cam.com/video/nuHHrEDVF30/w-d-xo.html. You have to be super careful to play only one note (making sure other strings are muted etc) when playing 'bass' with the VL3 as it doesn't track well if there's any other noise, but I do like it's bass sound as it's soooo customizable! I use an entirely separate setting for it. So for my main settings it's patch 350, then bass sound is saved to 349, and i make sure my vocal settings are the same on both. I do the same with my lead sound (so it's saved to 351). then I can simply switch up or down to change settings. make sense? Photo of lead still on it's way haha!
I thought it was summer loving until you started singing. Which is reasonable I think. Then I thought it was that Budapest song which makes absolutely no sense until you started singing the chorus then I realized it was cheerleader lol
Hey Fionn - In this particular track I usually build it while I sang live - so I started with the chords, and then started singing over that loop, and while I was singing I would put in the rhythm and keep building the track. Saves waiting a bunch of time at the start of each song for the audience just listening to loop building. Of course some tracks I spend more time at the start building loops, I just try to avoid that being every song!
Hi David , I have a looper pedal but I’m struggling to make the loop seamless and get the timing right for when to start and stop it when playing. Any advice ? Cheers
Hey Jake! Just saw this brother! There's a video I did around timing that may help - th-cam.com/video/94Kxisdu_x0/w-d-xo.html. Let me know if they help you (or not!). One other trick is to sing what you're playing whilst looping - doesn't have to be perfect, but singing some part/rhythm even making some sort of noise similar to your strumming pattern can work wonders to tighten things up! 😊
Hey David, I'm getting to more of your videos slowly but surely. You make this look so effortless. I'm new at looping but starting to get the hang of it. When I try to record a few Odubs on one loop though, I notice the trim on my mixer is clipping now and then. I realize that with each Odub I'm adding more gain so I set my Odub Decay parameter at 98% as Helicon suggested...but it doesn't help. Can I ask what you do so as to not have this problem? Thank you.
Hi Germain! I'm pretty sure I have mine set to 95% (so pretty similar). It can be a problem the more that you add but it should be possible to find settings that work for you with a bit of experimenting. Are you using any effects on your overdubs? Sometimes the gain or volume on effects can be significantly louder than your normal guitar sound and that can make it an issue. Perhaps set your mixer gain/trim lower initially, and watch to see if it changes significantly with any one particular overdub - let me know what you find! 😊
Hey David. As far as effects on my overdubs, I do use a little boost (on lead overdubs as I want them a little louder in the mix)...so maybe that's the problem right there. I'll try your suggestion of lowering my trim level when I know I'm going to do several overdubs. I'll let you know what happens. Thank you.
Hi David, great tutorial video. I was wondering what string size do you personally prefer for this sort of thing? And what's your opinion on tweaking the guitar preamp EQ to create wider sonic space? Thank you so much!
Thanks! I use 12-53 Elixirs on my gat. Find it's a good balance of fullness, and if I'm doing a heeeap of gigs then it's not punishing on my fingers either :) I don't have a huge opinion on tweaking the guitar preamp personally - I am to set my preamp to a reasonably high level, and just get the best direct balance of EQ so my starting point is as close to what I want. Be keen to hear your thoughts more on this though actually ay! :)
Great vid - I did watch your other video about creating the bass octave sound, but just noticing from this you create the 'bass' sound using your Voicelive, and the 'beat' from your boss octave? Do you rate the pure 'bass' sound using the Boss Octave pedal?
Hey Stu - it's a long while since I used the pure bass sound from the OC3, but I did use it for a bit and found it to be fine. When I realised I could do something with the OC3 that the Voicelive 3 couldn't do - I only had one option really - use the pure bass from the Voicelive 3 and use the polyphonic rolled off bass doubling from the OC3. Would be interesting to test which bass sound I prefer comparing them now. If I liked the OC3 better though it would mean having to use 2 OC3's in my chain to do what I want though haha! From memory i'm pretty sure the OC3 tracked better, but the VL3 isn't great on tracking so it wouldn't be hard haha! Not sure if that's super useful to you but perhaps? 🤷♂️
@@davidshanhun Are you saying that, the with Boss OC3, the settings you use are ideal for beat generation, however if you wanted that pure bass sound you would then need to change settings on the OC3 mid-song (obviously not ideal). My main thing is getting a pure bass sound with some device, then any type of beat generation on top of that would be cool but I'll be looking at a midi device to support beat generation later so would rather nail the 'pure bass'. Close to ordering the OC3 online now actually. Love your feedback here. Thanks!
@@stuj heya. I mostly use the OC3 in the polyphonic mode so that I still have some bass on the guitar if i stop the loop to then play the bridge section. I could do with or without it for beat generation at this point, although it's a bonus to have. Essentially what you said is accurate - if I wanted to record pure bass lines i'd have it set differently at the start when I was looping bass, then mid song (while the loop was happening for sure) I would have to reach down and switch the settings - doing this every song that has a part that I breakdown would be super frustrating haha. If you nailed the pure bass from this - you could still easily leave it on the 'pure bass' settings and overdub lightly on your rhythm/beat to get a better bottom end. Lots of options, but prob most important to you is getting that bass into your loops eh! Otherwise there is the sub n up from TC, or the Electro Harmonix POG series - these from what I've heard around and about are the best at tracking for pure bass - but I don't have one or haven't tested them! Again, hope that's useful!
V tasty David. Couldnt help Imagining the full Mexican brass section + maracas & bongos tucked in there - hope you didn't mind:-) am assuming it's your own material, which is where I'm at. Am building a home studio for personal then see where it goes. Question - can you give me pointers re best bang for $.? There's a lot of bs in this area. Am mostly fretboard player. Too many quests for here. Do you have email direct? I'll pick it up on my e-alert. Let us know what u prefer either way , and as Vince Gill might say 'the twang in the thang made me sing what I sang' (or something)
Thanks Karen! It's actually an OMI track in this video that I had fun creating a loop version of. Can definitely chat details regarding personal studio gear as well - send me a message at dshanhun@gmail.com
Hi Dave, you have a great sound and thanks for the link to the looper. I`m just starting out with this acoustic thing and I really like your sound. Any chance of a full gear list, ie amp, pedals, PA, guitar, vocal effects etc. I`m ready to buy some equipment but would like to make as few needless purchases as possible LOL ! Thanks
Hey Chris, at the moment I'm running... a TC helicon voicelive 3, an AER amp (compact mobile 60 ii), and a boss OC3 octave pedal. That's really it - super simple setup. I have a love/hate relationship with the voicelive 3 - AMAZING pedal, however you do need to switch a lot of screens rather than having dedicated pedals available to hit in an instant. I have two different PA's that I run depending on the gig, jbl eon 610's and a 12 inch sub, or yamaha dbr 15's with a 15' sub. I might do a gear video shortly now that you've mentioned it, a rig run down as such. The boss OC3 (amzn.to/2PdghjT) was a gamechanger for my solo shows though. what are you thinking of getting atm?
David Shanhun thanks Dave, not sure I want something simple and hopefully compact. I will get the Boss OC3 for sure. Do you run your guitar straight through the PA or into an amp first. I was always a n electric guitar player amp then mic'd to the PA
the voicelive 3 has some good amp sims built in, and is a good compact way to go, however i've found for acoustic i really like the tone of the AER amps, so i'm now back to running that with a DI out of that into the PA. I did for quite a while run just the voicelive 3 into the PA with a few EQ tweaks inside the voicelive. that worked well and was a good compact simple setup. The question is probably if you want to learn how to use the voicelive 3 (it genuinely does take some time), or have individual pedals. Otherwise I'd recommend a DI like the LR Baggs one to get the tone and tweaks you're after. I used one of those instead of an amp for a while. Do you know the ones?
This - amzn.to/2OR8oQl . I'm actually running through it in this vid. Go to a local shop and test it out. Got a lot more love out of my guitar tone by using it
Hi David, thanks for doing this- it's very useful to know the process of creating this. Loved the song and the tone you are playing with. Can you tell me which takamine guitar model you are using?
heya! DI not necessary, but it does add a little bit of extra tone love that I do like! ...In saying that, I haven't been using it the last little while!
If I loop my first track for 20 seconds let’s say and I do a second track with a quick 2 second lick that I want to repeat, it will only repeat for these two seconds within the original 20 second loop. How do I have it play for the duration of the whole original loop? Do I just have to play the second lick for 20 seconds to fully fit in the first loop? Thanks 🙏🏼 hope that made sense
Hey Deeken :) You can do this in reverse (playing the 2 second lick on the first track then recording the longer loop on track 2) - but the shorter you record initially, the harder it is to make sure the longer part comes in in time! Essentially the best way to do it is what you are doing, and then to play the second lick for the full length of time that the first loop is. Just for reference, you can't record a second track that is shorter than your first one.
Hi David. I've been watching your videos for a while. I wonder how you can make the sound of the box just by tapping your finger on the guitar. Is there any internal pickup or just piezzo?
Hi Marcio - it's just the piezzo pickup under the saddle/bridge. The guitar is pretty resonant so I'm lucky with getting a lot of these sounds - I have tried with other guitars and often have to do a string slap or muted strum to get a snare type sound. Perhaps this might work for you?
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The best compliment I can give is to say I wasn’t going to give you one, at the start. You won it with your work. Kudos.
aww thanks! Hope you got some new ideas out of the vid 😊
Thanks for an inside look at your equipment and how you build your loops. Very good information!
most welcome!
Love the build up progression!❤
thanks :)
Hey David thank you so so much for the tutorials. I have only been looping for around 6 months and as a solo one man band playing covers in a five star hotel six nights a week in London. I find the hotels are not wanting tracks just guitar and looping. So it kind of forced me into looping.
I absolutely love it but it’s taught me to stretch my playing ability also. Interestingly I have the Voicelive 3 extreme and the OC 3 but have recently added a RC 300 looper and it’s just so much easier with a separate unit. I still use the looper on the VL but found the RC to be amazingly more simple. Please continue doing loop tutorials. I need all the help I can get. Thanks mate appreciate it all 👍🏻👍🏻🎶
Hi Wallace! I've got another loop tutorial coming out this Thursday that I think you'll appreciate then! :) I have considered getting the RC300 or the ditto x4 so that I have a dedicated unit also - makes life a lot simpler!
David Shanhun yea I must admit the dedicated unit is simply amazing. The RC 300 has changed a load of things for me. I really enjoyed your Earth Wind and Fire tutorial it was amazing. Will hopefully get it done this week. Please let me know as soon as you do a few more. Would really appreciate them. I get asked for so many Ed Sheeran songs it’s crazy.
That surprises me as the voicelive looks easier than the RC 300? I tried an RC300 for a good hour in a music shop once and got nowhere with it and I’m usually adept with these things. The voicelive looks easier as you don’t have to be constantly bending down and changing parameters. The downside is it’s really only a two track looper isn’t it with the third being rhythm? I still think the best looper out there today is an app called Group the Loop on the iPad but you need a foot controller, audio interface and guitar fx to use it live!!!!
David - just a quick note of thanks for doing all this! I am into gtr & looping and your channel keeps me inspired!
Hey Alan thanks so much for saying that! 😊
Thanks for sharing your techniques with us. You have a very smooth style.
most welcome - and thankyou 👌
Hi David. That looked and sounded so effortless. And you come across as the nicest person ever. I know what you did, in real time, after 4 gigs, while also explaining how to do it, and nailing it the whole time, is insanely difficult.
what I love about your harmony lines is they are subtle
Thanks Ken!
I just got back into playing after a few years just nothing feeling much of anything. Its amazing what can be done with just simple beats and sounds and a looper pedal plus an acoustic guitar.
This is awesome! Glad you’re enjoying playing again 👌
thanks David, great info. have to learn those triads.
yeah they're pretty handy for building up a track!
thanks for a reply. didn't expect it since this an older vlog. really enjoy all your vids and performances.@@davidshanhun
You are very cool mate, hope you will give us more tips about loop tricks. It looks very inspiring mate. Keep it up👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
thank you brother! See you in some of the new videos coming up!
I enjoyed your singing as much as the tutorial!
Cheers
thankyou!
I'm getting into looping with a boss rc-30 And seeing you loop on of my favorite songs to play at gigs...You helped me put things into perspective. You're awesome 👌🏾.. New Sub here.
This video is 4 years old. You should check out his entire Channel since it has so many newer videos on the topic of looping.
hey Ray! Awesome you're getting into looping brother! Hope you're having lots of fun with the RC-30!
Professional really with charm charisma I really liked the track cheerleader genial and light
Love this arrangement as well as as whole presentation. Going to see more :)
Thanks a lot!
+Michał Czerwiński thanks!! Glad you liked it 👌👌
@@davidshanhunpl
Great Stuff Mate .... Thanks for taking the time to do this (Y)
you're welcome! Glad it was useful to you :)
Thanks for your help. I'm inspired. That sounded great.
Cheers Rob!
Hey, top video my man. Thank you. Can I ask what you use as a pick up and what’s the the thing on the sound hole for ? I have an lr baggs M1 passive and am new to looping. With this pick up all percussion on the guitar sounds the same. Can you recommend a reasonably priced replacement? Thank you 🙏
Thank you. The LR Baggs anthem would be the upgrade to go for beyond that - however, because it has a mic as part of the pickup if you record whilst singing you will get a bit of that in the mix haha! No guarantees sadly regardless of the pickup system, as it depends on the guitar build and resonance also as to what will get picked up and included. The good thing with the LR baggs anthem series though is you can change the mix of the mic to suit 👌. Hope that helps!
Really nice walkthrough and excellent sound, liked and subbed to help support you!
Thanks Danny! much appreciated! :)
Excellent instruction. Also very talented. Thank you.
Thanks John 😊
I love people talking over a Melody ....kinda relieves me . Super job !! Subscribed !!
Thanks!
Nicely done! Sounds so full engaging! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks!
That was awesome.
Thanks Joshua!
Hi David you re Very talented . and inspiring..thank you for teaching all this ..
Have you thought about getting the voicelive extreme? I think TC helicon should send you one seeing as you have more or less sold it to lots of peeps including myself😃
heya, I considered it, but I don't use backing tracks for anything so the extra features seem a bit lost on me (although they are cool). Have been having some cool chats with them regarding future gear though. Excited to see what they release down the track!
Wow i wish i was able to use a looper but my timing absolutely sucks when i try lol.. awesome job great voice and love your guitar playing too
Awesome, thanks!
Most welcome!
So baller dude. You’re awesome
chur! 🥰
You don't see those Takamine NP17C very often. Mine has different tuners. My favorite guitar since 1996.
this one is an ND15c - very similar. Great guitars in that range eh!
I had to replace my pre amp. Installed a cool tube pre-amp, came to life.
@@AlchemyMusicConcept what did you go with? Mine has had issues which is part of why I've changed guitars haha!
Can you record a loop, mute it and bring it when required?
Absolutely. All loop pedals allow you to do this. Some of them allow you to record separate tracks and mute either of them at different times whilst keeping the other one going.
I will make songs with a loop pedal and this video its very helpfull
Thanks you
you're welcome! Have fun looping!
First, thanks for this video - you get some really great sounds and it doesn't sound computerized at all. I've watched a couple of your performance videos and you always seem to have the sound hole covered - is that a humidifier or just there to mute the sound?
to mute sound for feedback in high spl gigs where I'm close to speakers
So you’re using an LR Baggs preamp? Doesn’t the Voicelive 3 have a preamp in it that would allow you to shape your guitar sound?
Hey Brad - I don't always use the LR Baggs preamp - but I do find it adds an extra richness running it before the VL3, with all settings flat when I use it now.
I was playing yesterday using the boss ve-8 pedal which has a Looper and busking live for the first time using loops. I really appreciate your video because it gives some good tips. And a real example of a great song. I only use the loop for some simple rhythm. I did build a bit of an instrumental and that was pretty good too. But I guess I did have some question of how you move off the loop smoothly? Because you build something up and then suddenly you click it off if you have only one Loop to deal with and it just disappears. Meaning it might not be a smooth transition and suddenly bring out a silence. It might be different if you could have the Rhythm or percussion as one Loop and the guitar rhythm has another lube and some background vocals as another loop and if you have a pedal controlling them all separately that might be another scenario. I'd like to be able to do that at some point but right now I only have a pedal which can do one Loop and I want to figure out how to use it wisely.
Hey Cyrus thanks for your comment! There is a way to do this even using only one pedal (build up a big loop and then drop back only some of it). It's a little bit sneaky and just takes a bit of thought when creating your loop at the start. Which pedal are you using to perform with at the moment?
Thanks!
Thanks for the info! I want to start doing my own live sessions in my room. However may I ask what are you processing the sound out from? Your guitar amp? I want to add a drum machine to my performance however I heard that if I want to incorporate drums I need to get a PA system because the drum sounds may not be good for my guitar amp. Any advice would be great. Thank you.
Hey Nate! This was running through a 15inch PA speaker and I think I recorded the audio simply from the room for this particular video. Drums usually aren't great to put through a guitar amp because of their bottom end, which guitar amps aren't usually designed to handle that well. It obviously does work, but not designed for it. In saying all of this, I've often gigged with my tone running though my guitar amp (which means all my bass and guitar slapping rhythm sections going through the amp too, I keep my amp volume low as a foldback essentially, and then crank the rest through a full PA. So that low tone is going through my guitar amp, but not at crazy loud levels that push it. Probably still not idea, as the small speaker is trying to push a bunch of air with the low frequencies, but haven't killed anything yet! 😂Ideally I'd run your guitar stuff through your amp, and get a full range speaker that you can run your drums through. Otherwise, use headphones/in ears so it's not too obvious, and you could run the drum machine into a desk, and record straight out from the desk (with headphones to hear), that way you can run the guitar amp signal into the desk, the drum machine direct into the desk, and don't actually need another speaker or full PA system. Ideas anyway! ....and a super long reply haha! Hope that's useful!
David Shanhun sorry for the late reply. Thank you so much for the info! You really helped answer my question. Take care!
Question. The only way to use say harmony or delay or reverb you would need to just have a preset above or below what your building with. You can’t get out of the loop screen ?
Thanks
You’re a badass
not sure I quite understand the question... but. If you're wanting to stay on the looping screen only and get a harmony etc, then yes - copy the exact preset you are using to the next preset number - and set the harmony to 'on' or effects etc that you're wanting. then you can stay in the looper screen and still have changes.
Was that what you were asking?
Otherwise - once you've created your loops - you can just hold down the layer button to exit the looper screen and you'll have access to turn on and off all of your effects as normal while the loop continues.
This vid might also be handy for you on setting things up - th-cam.com/video/NONbI_MLYbk/w-d-xo.html
@@davidshanhun thanks. Perfect explanation. I watched your looper videos and finnally threw on up on Friday. You’re the man
Great tutorial, thanks! I have a very similar setup with VL3. Can you tell me how you get a good lead sound on the acoustic? I’ve tried without success, I get a ton of feedback. If you could create a video on this or take a pic of the settings I would appreciate it. Thanks!
hey Robert - I will take a photo or short vid of my settings for you. It's something that can be a struggle, usually I find having a lower gain and also using a feedback buster (or similar) also helps a lot as soon as there is overdrive or distortion with an acoustic gat.
Thanks! I’ll look forward to it! Also, while you at it if you could shoot the bass and percussion settings. I’ve found that the bass sound out of the VL3 is not that good but separate pedals like the TC Subn’up and others are much better. I assume when you are looping bass effect or percussion it is with a dry setting? I’ve been told to use the STEP function for this but have not figured it out yet. So my percussion and bass loops have my acoustic guitar effects which is not optimal. Thanks again!
I use my standard guitar settings when doing percussion, but I have a pretty light reverb so it works pretty well. You could button map to turn the reverb on or off for percussion if you wished though (or any effect for that matter). I did a video on my specific bass settings here - th-cam.com/video/nuHHrEDVF30/w-d-xo.html. You have to be super careful to play only one note (making sure other strings are muted etc) when playing 'bass' with the VL3 as it doesn't track well if there's any other noise, but I do like it's bass sound as it's soooo customizable! I use an entirely separate setting for it. So for my main settings it's patch 350, then bass sound is saved to 349, and i make sure my vocal settings are the same on both. I do the same with my lead sound (so it's saved to 351). then I can simply switch up or down to change settings. make sense? Photo of lead still on it's way haha!
Great, you do it so fine!
Just a question. Is the oc3 goes into the d.i after the looper, i mean what is the order?
Best from France.👍
In this video I'm running into the DI, then into the OC3, and then into the VL3/looper. Hope that helps! :)
Awesome man! Just getting into looping with the VL3. Live looping is a little scary for me at the moment so this is helpful.
ah awesome! Lots of fun to be had then! Glad this has been helpful for you!
God I love this dude!
awwww thanks ❤️❤️
I thought it was summer loving until you started singing. Which is reasonable I think. Then I thought it was that Budapest song which makes absolutely no sense until you started singing the chorus then I realized it was cheerleader lol
haha yeah true could sing a bunch of tunes quite happily over this eh :)
Great video, thanks mate!
Thanks! :)
Awesome bro
thanks! :)
Any particular reason you lay the guitar chords before the beat? Curious!
Hey Fionn - In this particular track I usually build it while I sang live - so I started with the chords, and then started singing over that loop, and while I was singing I would put in the rhythm and keep building the track. Saves waiting a bunch of time at the start of each song for the audience just listening to loop building. Of course some tracks I spend more time at the start building loops, I just try to avoid that being every song!
@@davidshanhun Cool, thanks for the explanation!
@@fionnmurphybass7664 most welcome! (plenty of other tracks I start with the rhythm!)
Hi David , I have a looper pedal but I’m struggling to make the loop seamless and get the timing right for when to start and stop it when playing. Any advice ? Cheers
Hey Jake! Just saw this brother! There's a video I did around timing that may help - th-cam.com/video/94Kxisdu_x0/w-d-xo.html. Let me know if they help you (or not!). One other trick is to sing what you're playing whilst looping - doesn't have to be perfect, but singing some part/rhythm even making some sort of noise similar to your strumming pattern can work wonders to tighten things up! 😊
Hey David, I'm getting to more of your videos slowly but surely. You make this look so effortless. I'm new at looping but starting to get the hang of it. When I try to record a few Odubs on one loop though, I notice the trim on my mixer is clipping now and then. I realize that with each Odub I'm adding more gain so I set my Odub Decay parameter at 98% as Helicon suggested...but it doesn't help. Can I ask what you do so as to not have this problem? Thank you.
Hi Germain! I'm pretty sure I have mine set to 95% (so pretty similar). It can be a problem the more that you add but it should be possible to find settings that work for you with a bit of experimenting. Are you using any effects on your overdubs? Sometimes the gain or volume on effects can be significantly louder than your normal guitar sound and that can make it an issue. Perhaps set your mixer gain/trim lower initially, and watch to see if it changes significantly with any one particular overdub - let me know what you find! 😊
Hey David. As far as effects on my overdubs, I do use a little boost (on lead overdubs as I want them a little louder in the mix)...so maybe that's the problem right there. I'll try your suggestion of lowering my trim level when I know I'm going to do several overdubs. I'll let you know what happens. Thank you.
Hi David, great tutorial video. I was wondering what string size do you personally prefer for this sort of thing? And what's your opinion on tweaking the guitar preamp EQ to create wider sonic space? Thank you so much!
Thanks! I use 12-53 Elixirs on my gat. Find it's a good balance of fullness, and if I'm doing a heeeap of gigs then it's not punishing on my fingers either :) I don't have a huge opinion on tweaking the guitar preamp personally - I am to set my preamp to a reasonably high level, and just get the best direct balance of EQ so my starting point is as close to what I want. Be keen to hear your thoughts more on this though actually ay! :)
Great vid - I did watch your other video about creating the bass octave sound, but just noticing from this you create the 'bass' sound using your Voicelive, and the 'beat' from your boss octave?
Do you rate the pure 'bass' sound using the Boss Octave pedal?
Hey Stu - it's a long while since I used the pure bass sound from the OC3, but I did use it for a bit and found it to be fine. When I realised I could do something with the OC3 that the Voicelive 3 couldn't do - I only had one option really - use the pure bass from the Voicelive 3 and use the polyphonic rolled off bass doubling from the OC3. Would be interesting to test which bass sound I prefer comparing them now. If I liked the OC3 better though it would mean having to use 2 OC3's in my chain to do what I want though haha! From memory i'm pretty sure the OC3 tracked better, but the VL3 isn't great on tracking so it wouldn't be hard haha! Not sure if that's super useful to you but perhaps? 🤷♂️
@@davidshanhun Are you saying that, the with Boss OC3, the settings you use are ideal for beat generation, however if you wanted that pure bass sound you would then need to change settings on the OC3 mid-song (obviously not ideal). My main thing is getting a pure bass sound with some device, then any type of beat generation on top of that would be cool but I'll be looking at a midi device to support beat generation later so would rather nail the 'pure bass'. Close to ordering the OC3 online now actually. Love your feedback here. Thanks!
@@stuj heya. I mostly use the OC3 in the polyphonic mode so that I still have some bass on the guitar if i stop the loop to then play the bridge section. I could do with or without it for beat generation at this point, although it's a bonus to have. Essentially what you said is accurate - if I wanted to record pure bass lines i'd have it set differently at the start when I was looping bass, then mid song (while the loop was happening for sure) I would have to reach down and switch the settings - doing this every song that has a part that I breakdown would be super frustrating haha. If you nailed the pure bass from this - you could still easily leave it on the 'pure bass' settings and overdub lightly on your rhythm/beat to get a better bottom end. Lots of options, but prob most important to you is getting that bass into your loops eh! Otherwise there is the sub n up from TC, or the Electro Harmonix POG series - these from what I've heard around and about are the best at tracking for pure bass - but I don't have one or haven't tested them! Again, hope that's useful!
@@davidshanhun Cheers. Makes sense, will get my hands on one and give it a whirl! Thanks
@@stuj awesome mate! Super fun pedal to have in the kit!
V tasty David. Couldnt help Imagining the full Mexican brass section + maracas & bongos tucked in there - hope you didn't mind:-) am assuming it's your own material, which is where I'm at. Am building a home studio for personal then see where it goes.
Question - can you give me pointers re best bang for $.? There's a lot of bs in this area. Am mostly fretboard player. Too many quests for here. Do you have email direct? I'll pick it up on my e-alert. Let us know what u prefer either way , and as Vince Gill might say 'the twang in the thang made me sing what I sang' (or something)
Thanks Karen! It's actually an OMI track in this video that I had fun creating a loop version of. Can definitely chat details regarding personal studio gear as well - send me a message at dshanhun@gmail.com
Thank you
How do I keep my octave pedal from distorting over my other loops?
Hi Dave, you have a great sound and thanks for the link to the looper. I`m just starting out with this acoustic thing and I really like your sound. Any chance of a full gear list, ie amp, pedals, PA, guitar, vocal effects etc. I`m ready to buy some equipment but would like to make as few needless purchases as possible LOL ! Thanks
Hey Chris, at the moment I'm running... a TC helicon voicelive 3, an AER amp (compact mobile 60 ii), and a boss OC3 octave pedal. That's really it - super simple setup. I have a love/hate relationship with the voicelive 3 - AMAZING pedal, however you do need to switch a lot of screens rather than having dedicated pedals available to hit in an instant. I have two different PA's that I run depending on the gig, jbl eon 610's and a 12 inch sub, or yamaha dbr 15's with a 15' sub. I might do a gear video shortly now that you've mentioned it, a rig run down as such. The boss OC3 (amzn.to/2PdghjT) was a gamechanger for my solo shows though. what are you thinking of getting atm?
David Shanhun thanks Dave, not sure I want something simple and hopefully compact. I will get the Boss OC3 for sure. Do you run your guitar straight through the PA or into an amp first. I was always a n electric guitar player amp then mic'd to the PA
the voicelive 3 has some good amp sims built in, and is a good compact way to go, however i've found for acoustic i really like the tone of the AER amps, so i'm now back to running that with a DI out of that into the PA. I did for quite a while run just the voicelive 3 into the PA with a few EQ tweaks inside the voicelive. that worked well and was a good compact simple setup. The question is probably if you want to learn how to use the voicelive 3 (it genuinely does take some time), or have individual pedals. Otherwise I'd recommend a DI like the LR Baggs one to get the tone and tweaks you're after. I used one of those instead of an amp for a while. Do you know the ones?
David Shanhun no I don't
This - amzn.to/2OR8oQl . I'm actually running through it in this vid. Go to a local shop and test it out. Got a lot more love out of my guitar tone by using it
Sweet!!
thanks!
It would be awesome if you set up an entire electric guitar set, use a little bit of overdrive cheerleading stuff. That’s what I would do at least lol
haven't actually jumped on the electric in aaages!
I want to play “take off your cool” all 3 separate parts. What do I need to buy?
Hey Logan, some options that have 3 parts or more would be the Boss RC300, the Headrush Looper Board, or the Aeros Loop Studio. Have fun!
Hi David, thanks for doing this- it's very useful to know the process of creating this. Loved the song and the tone you are playing with. Can you tell me which takamine guitar model you are using?
My pleasure! Guitar is a Takamine ND 15c
Thanks, it sounds great with the tone you get out of it.
@@AcceptableNamesTaken thankyou 😊
Do you have a mic in that guitar?
no. just the under the bridge/saddle pickup.
seems I found the video I was looking for!
hurrah! :)
Do you want to work together on a song in 2018? We have similar styles!! Thanks
Cool idea - lets chat about how we might go about it! :)
Can I still do it if my guitar doesn’t have the thing to connect at the end
you can still loop using a microphone on your guitar that goes into a loop pedal, not as convenient but still works :)
Very nice I like that song is it an original of yours?
Would be great if it was but no it's an OMI track called 'Cheerleader'
I don’t understand why the DI? I’m guessing you tried it without one?
heya! DI not necessary, but it does add a little bit of extra tone love that I do like! ...In saying that, I haven't been using it the last little while!
that was really helpful, thanks!!
Yay!! And thanks!
Beauty!
Thanks :)
nice
thanks!
nice song man
Thanks!
If I loop my first track for 20 seconds let’s say and I do a second track with a quick 2 second lick that I want to repeat, it will only repeat for these two seconds within the original 20 second loop. How do I have it play for the duration of the whole original loop? Do I just have to play the second lick for 20 seconds to fully fit in the first loop? Thanks 🙏🏼 hope that made sense
Hey Deeken :) You can do this in reverse (playing the 2 second lick on the first track then recording the longer loop on track 2) - but the shorter you record initially, the harder it is to make sure the longer part comes in in time! Essentially the best way to do it is what you are doing, and then to play the second lick for the full length of time that the first loop is. Just for reference, you can't record a second track that is shorter than your first one.
Hi David.
I've been watching your videos for a while.
I wonder how you can make the sound of the box just by tapping your finger on the guitar. Is there any internal pickup or just piezzo?
Hi Marcio - it's just the piezzo pickup under the saddle/bridge. The guitar is pretty resonant so I'm lucky with getting a lot of these sounds - I have tried with other guitars and often have to do a string slap or muted strum to get a snare type sound. Perhaps this might work for you?
Thank you!
welcome brother!
Mighty fine ; I'm screwed LOL
I need to buy a looper
it will open up a fun new world!
☺👍
I see you’re using a Takamìne 😏
yep love it!
This video would've been perfect if it was just a bit more..dumb. Cause I'm dumb.
wow, a whole minute of how great you are. waste of every ones time mate
aww damn. I was supposed to put 2 minutes in - did I stop at 1? hehe. Hope you found a video that's more to your liking mate!
FFS Play something stop talking !
and here I was busy chatting just for youuuuuu Robin! hehe. Hope you found the fast forward button to find the bits you wanted though 👌
Lost me at 1 min 30 seconds
where did you go?