MASSIVE 🔋 MyEnergi Libbi Battery Install
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⏱️Timestamps
00:03 There’s a catch
01:58 Heavy delivery
04:43 Install begins
05:50 Death jump
07:41 Something’s missing
08:32 Wasted opportunity
10:32 For the 14,000th time
11:59 Seriously cool tool
13:49 You need to comment!
15:07 So annoying
15:26 No good
16:55 Electricians, plumbers and tattoo artists
19:36 Sharpie hierarchy
21:18 That’s not a Sheila
23:05 Top tip from Lee
24:11 John’s maturity
24:26 Placing bets
27:27 Configuring begins
28:28 New van for John!
29:58 Almost finished product
30:13 Configuring continues…
33:08 Very impressive service
34:09 The filthy van of dreams
36:20 Angry wife
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Pleasure working with you 😎⚡️
Thanks for the help!
I'm subscribed to Cory, but not Artisan, but I watch more Artisan videos. Cory, you need to pump out more videos and your channel won't stagnate.
@@kentmccroskey3712 y would he pump out more quality not quantity 👍
That guy is a natural! Very entertaining. Cory I meant obviously! On your channel mate it will take time it has for this channel.
Same system as the Kstar if you need to search for tidy installs
Cory you've been missed. Don't worry about the growth of your new channel, it will grow in time. Your a brilliant electrician, years ahead of your time. I'm sure all the guys and girls of course, really loved you being back on the tools at Artisan. See you on your own channel soon...
Slight correction to your 'back of the van' calculation. You don't divide by 3412 - that's the conversion constant from kWh to BTU (1 kWh = 3412 Btu) which shouldn't be in there. What you should do is divide by 3600 since the result of your first three terms (the volume, the specific heat of water and and temperature delta) are energy expressed in kiloJoules (the specific heat of water being 4.2 kJ/kg degree C). Dividing this product by 3600 (number of seconds in an hour) you get kWh since on kJ is equal to 1kWs.
Now, with a small volume the error between dividing by 3412 and 3600 (and using 4 instead of 4.2 for the specific heat of water) is not very big, so 8kWh is correct - but once you apply this to larger volumes it will make a big difference, especially when your specific heat changes due to e.g. use of glycol in the system.
Thanks for pointing this out.. I knew that calculation didn't seem quite right but hadn't dug into it to figure out why.. IMHO, this is why it's always a good idea to actually understand and include the units you're using in your calculations, as it's a good sanity-check that you've actually calculated things the right way:
(125 liters) × (1.0 kg/liter) × (55 °C) × (4.182 kJ/kg⋅°C) × (1.0 kWs/kJ) ÷ (3600 s/h) = 8.0 kWh
_(remove the numbers and just look at the units:)_
liter × kg/liter × °C × kJ/kg⋅°C × kWs/kJ ÷ s/h =
liter⋅kg⋅°C⋅kJ⋅kW⋅s⋅h / liter⋅kg⋅°C⋅kJ⋅s =
-liter⋅kg⋅°C⋅kJ- ⋅ kW ⋅ -s- ⋅ h / -liter⋅kg⋅°C⋅kJ⋅s- =
kW ⋅ h = *kWh*
_(yup, checks out)_
Great to see Cory back and to see more of Luke and Lee. Hope get more videos with the lads soon
LEE IS MY FAVE! (I had to say that he owes me a tenner...)
Amazing to see the dream team back together! 😊
And grats on the new ball and chain Cory!
Good collaboration I like the way you all get on with each other. Your work is very neat too.
Great to see Cory back. Also extra Kudos for staying on later
Nice seeing Cory back for a bit 😊
Yeah he couldn't get away!
The batteries are in parallel, but you are taking the + & - off different ends so that the cable resistance to each battery is roughly the same and they therefore charge/discharge at the same rate.
Correct!
What he said!
But wouldn't that require that they are always discharged and charged at the same rate ?
@@callumcurtis15 By charging for so long all cells will eventually get to 100 percent and thus will then all be balanced.
@@callumcurtis15If the batteries are in parallel that will happen anyway. Provided they are all the same capacity.
18:44 - network switch - If you end up doing more of these, check out something like the Ubiquiti USW-Flex-Mini, it can be powered by POE from the switch uplink connection, and then provides 4 ports of gigabit ethernet, means you don't need to mess about having to install a socket just for the switch and the mess that is a powerbrick and cable - obviously assuming the switch it's connected to is a POE capable switch
The boys are back in town 🤘🏻
Perfect combinaton:Artisan team and Cory
Wow.The boys are back in town,great video fellas,looking really smart work.
Great work as always from you guys! Nice to see Cory back on the scene too! Always feel like I take some useful and interesting info away from the videos! 💪⚡️😎
Cory
Another great video. Amazing amount of detail packed into the time frame . The dropping of the e in battery really is a game changer in giving you those vital seconds on the job. {Joking} Congratulations on the news that you got married . Your an amazing guy and I hope and wish goods things for you both.
Nice to see Cory working with the gang again
Great video, good to see the team back together
Nice one guys great to see you back with the boys Cory 😎👏🇮🇪
goated collaboration
Cory, did you say "Home Assistant"? 😮 I never knew!
Now that's where I'd like to see @Artisan go next...
Wonderful install except for the equipment being in contact with concrete, which always has moisture. Slip a thin plastic sheet between equipment and floor. I prefer several inches
Great to see he dream team back together ❤
Wow, that new van looks awesome!
Awesome install and great bit of myenergi kit as always, find it difficult how anyone will ever see a return on this much kit. Taking into consideration all the other stuff they have to.
Seriously impressive lads 😮
Think Max loved having Cory back haha 😂 Great video!
Ayy nice vid, it's nice to see Cory back with the team for a short bit
Quality job gents. Just a little hint check lukes van for the sharpies,I remember when Lee said about luke stocking up on the Marksmans 🤔😂👌👍👍
Great video! Great to see Cory back too!
I think that sharpie tip came from Bristol sparky. Them sharpie pens just vanished 🤣
Hi friends, I'vbeen watching your videos since a long time. I'm a domestic electrician and have passed a pv course recently. I'm mad of working with your team and company 😊❤
I knew u had a new transit van we drove past each other in the week this week would have loved to see u and have a chat but work comes first
Glad to see Cory back
Advert "powered by hilti" then milwaukee drills everywhere 😂
My bad 😥
Great to see Cory back with the team , Interesting Install on the MyEnergi Libby great job guys ⚡️👊
The A-Team is back! Corey is little like howling mad murdock😂
I recognise his from somewhere 😂😂 a very noice job there 👏
I'm sure support covered it, and not sure when this install actually happened, but I think that v5 f/w is out for all devices bar the Zappi v1 now. You get issues mixing v5 and non-v5 devices.
Could we crowdfund a van to Cory?
Also this product is basically what i have been waiting for. Is there a calculation for heating a volume of "air" in a space (room / building) similar to the one showcased at 35:24
Thanks for the "adventure"
Yesssssss 🎉🎉🎉
Looks like such a smart install. As an IT Engineer, only thing I would change is using a POE switch rather than a netgear one, but everyone's a critic.
Of course you mean PoE 😁
@@michaeljarcher no PoV!
Why use PoE when all the devices have massive internal power? Unless you mean a PoE-powered switch receiving power from the computer room over the upstream data cable, which one must check carefully for power efficiency .
I think Artisan should, either give Cory a van to help him out, or crowdfund him a new van 😉
they charge enough i sure they can afford one
YASSS, Cory is back! :)
Damn, between the expense of everything, the ongoing changes in specs MyEnergi keeps pulling, and the sheer amount of space, that isn't going into a normal house. With our installation coming, the new solar immersion is a cool thing to have, and we'll be getting one installed as well.
Massive install! Do wonder, in what price range we're looking at? This ain't cheap.
Good video, clean install! I’d skip the Eddi if the customer has heat pump heated hot water. An immersion is at best ~100% efficient, where as using the same electricity in a heat pump will be anywhere from 2-4X time that. The customer would be better off boosting hot water via the heat pump.
Not sure if this can be automated though!
Just watched EVM saying exactly this!
You would need a heat pump with more output just to heat the water up to the required temp though. If you are only running your heat pump to do the heating then you would only need it to go to around 26deg if you have under floor where as if you are heating the water via heat pump it needs to be able to get to 55deg to kill legionella. There are systems that will run a emersion heater periodically but not sure if that’s a domestic system or not as not a heating engineer. Also even if a heat pump is 4x you wont get as much efficiency as direct sun heating which is more efficient than heat pumps by a long way. It’s all getting in to the realms of building management systems which is great if they work all the time but if not who’s going to maintain and support it at what cost. There does come a point where it’s too complex for joe public. Personally the less I have to give the energy companies the better but it’s going to be a trade off and what works for some may not work in all cases.
I was thinking the same, but isn't the benefit be that the Eddi is 'smart' in using the CT clips to work out what is excess being sent back to the grid and adjust the power consumption of the eddi/immersion to match the excess.
A) How would the heat pump know there is excess and turn itself on,
B) I assume that the heat pump wouldn't be able to throttle the power use to match the excess (ie its not an inductive load, its either on or off and the amount of power consumption is determined by the HP controller not to match the excess solar power).
I know you could charge the battery and then set the HP to work for a short period and then let the battery recharge... but seems rather convoluted and difficult to control automatically and assume you wouldn't do that as it would add extra cycles to the battery.
I also assume that there is inefficiencies in the HP starting and stopping, for example if there was patchy clouds.
Totally happy to be corrected on this but the eddi seems a sensible/manageable/controllable way of ensure any excess (if you have any after the battery/zappi) is not sent to the grid and is self consumed. If the savings in hot water justify the £315ex vat for the Eddi is another question.
Or am I missing the point - is the assumption that you just export the excess during the day while the sun is shining and buy it back at the cheaper rate during the night to run the HP and fully charge the water tank. This isn't really 'using the excess pv' but might be more practical way of doing it.
Totally happy to be told were I am being dim and only asking as I was thinking of getting the eddi with my PV system to cash in on the 0% VAT as part of the overall system...
@@davideyres955 what? I don't know any domestic heat pumps that are out currently that cannot get water to 55° on their own, Vaillant etc will go to 75° easily, 400% easily beating any Eddi and avoids the cost of any solar water panels.
Just Brilliant 🙂🇮🇪🍀
Can additional storage be added to an install after initial install.
Start with 5kw inverter and 5kWh storage and then 6 months later just tag on another stand alone battery?
I was wondering if you have worked with GivEnergy and how do they compare to MyEnergi as you said at the end about customer service being in the UK, which GivEnergy is a UK based company?
Not going to lie Jordan, more work with Cory as I'm not sure what it is but he is missed at your place. On a serious note do the units not need mounting higher off the ground?
Great video and great to have Corey back, one question though, I know you talked about using an Eddi but if it's a ground source heat pump surely it's more efficient to use the excess solar to drive that at an efficiency of 3+ times compared to using a direct immersion heater?
I was thinking the same, but isn't the benefit be that the Eddi is 'smart' in using the CT clips to work out what is excess being sent back to the grid and adjust the power consumption of the eddi/immersion to match the excess.
A) How would the heat pump know there is excess and turn itself on,
B) I assume that the heat pump wouldn't be able to throttle the power use to match the excess (ie its not an inductive load, its either on or off and the amount of power consumption is determined by the HP controller not to match the excess solar power).
I know you could charge the battery and then set the HP to work for a short period and then let the battery recharge... but seems rather convoluted and difficult to control automatically and assume you wouldn't do that as it would add extra cycles to the battery.
I also assume that there is inefficiencies in the HP starting and stopping, for example if there was patchy clouds.
Totally happy to be corrected on this but the eddi seems a sensible/manageable/controllable way of ensure any excess (if you have any after the battery/zappi) is not sent to the grid and is self consumed. If the savings in hot water justify the £315ex vat for the Eddi is another question.
Or am I missing the point - is the assumption that you just export the excess during the day while the sun is shining and buy it back at the cheaper rate during the night to run the HP and fully charge the water tank. This isn't really 'using the excess pv' but might be more practical way of doing it.
Totally happy to be told were I am being dim and only asking as I was thinking of getting the eddi with my PV system to cash in on the 0% VAT as part of the overall system...
Just a thought... Could you use the eddi to drive a relay calling for the heat pump to kick in, therefore utalising some of the excess solar? It may not use all the excess, but could certainly absorb some?
Great video guys. Any one know what the coupler marking tool used in this video is called? Also the coupler cutting attachment used to cut the trunking called?
one question, why did you guys use unshielded network cable next to power lines? you do know they can cause issues and signal loss right?
The trunking jumped from plastic to metal?
Parralel to lengthen the amp/ hours whilst keeping the voltage the same.
Considered using PoE to simply the connections?
If you squint hard enough, it could be a Cory video with some of his old gang thrown in for good measure. Nice one Cory
A TEAM back good old Cory
four eagle feathers.... 🤣🤣😂
"at Stallingborough" - because saying "Immingham" is bad apparently so you have to say a village nobody has ever heard of where myenergi definitely aren't :)
It's definitely Immingham, pretty much on Immingham docks isn't it 😂
Cory why didn't you just measure between the coupler installed on the button box to the top trunking ( 22.16)
What's the customer running? The town😂
I an sure it is called cascade parallel, shouldnt the + and - leads be the same length back to the inverter?
🤪 Cory was FIRST🤙 in the country! 🤌🤣
I could be completely wrong as only done my level 2 but you have put data and power(singles)in the same trunking but should they not be kept apart as they are different bands unless the data cables used have been insulated to the same voltage
I was about to say the same. Never good to run data and power together
It don't really matter as it's not going to affect it
Sure it states in the regs to keep separated
One thing I don’t like about Cory is his extremely fond love for Milwaukee, I, personally do not like them but they are good tools but he doesn’t need to always boast about them, I like him though
Milwaukee sponsored him and gave him the tools. It must be part of sponsorship that he plugs them as much as possible
I actually purchased probably 80% of my Milwaukee gear before I was sponsored or even had a contact within Milwaukee. I just like it! I don’t think it’s necessarily miles superior from other brands, most brands have their strengths and the top shelf products are all decent, but the specialist tools they make for electricians, coupled with the battery lifespan and M12 range, along with packout… easy winner for me
I was Dewalt based for years and years until I had my van broken into multiple times until I was wiped clean, so ended up starting on a new platform to try it out
@@corymac I know, just when you said like when you came back to artisan for a job, the HILTI drill broke and you plugged Milwaukee even though they’re sponsored by HILTI, also why are you up at 1 am? 😂
@@corymac I second this, M12 range is awesome - light, compact, plenty of power.
What is the mounting board used?
Cory nice to see you back your hair looks like bubble boys hair do 😂😂😎
Well done dream almost-team as Reuben...
Oh look its the K Star
30:28 two electrains with a brush? Ones confusing never mind two. Must be a clever camera trick.
Hi, is it permissible according to the electrical code in the UK to install AC and DC cables in the same trunking?
In typical European rules from before Brexit, there's no rule about AC vs. DC, but all wires in a trunk must be isolated for the highest voltage present . So if a 50V DC PoE computer or phone equipment supply shares a way with a 230V AC mains cable, all wires in that way must be proper 500V wires . I guess if you pay someone will sell you 500V certified Cat7 cable for that control system .
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Voided the warranty they are supposed to be 60cm gaps between them….
ahhh...measuring in eagle feathers. somebody has worked in the states before, huh 😉
I'm a Canadian working in the states and yeah the measurements here are ludicrous. working here in a fairly standardized industry so Celsius is king, but we have to scale all the variables to Fahrenheit for the operators 🙄
what are the sharpie holder that were used to hold help mark the conduit called?
Stuffing glands
@@davidlloyd6177 I did wonder, thanks
my basic understaning is that these systems are K star systems using Pylon batteries?
They are K-Star inverters with CATL batteries
Got to say, Electricians are much better looking than plumbers.
Do these batteries have short circuit protection? I’d hate to see what would happen if a mouse chewed through the cable and shorted out the battery. A lithium fire with that much battery capacity would be pretty warm.
I would hope/expect they have either breakers built in or a contactor under BMS control.
Got a 12kwh solar, customer wanting battery storage, would you recommend the Libby?
Take a look at the GivEnergy all in one and additional batteries the all in one has a 6kw (7.2kw peak) inverter and a 13.5kwh battery. And a fair few quid cheaper.
I've looked at the Libbi and GivEnergy units and have decided to go with SolaX and their rebadged LG batteries. I'm looking at installing 23kWh of battery storage with X2 3.7kWh hybrid inverters. The reason for not going with the Libbi is cost and the fact that you can't setup a master Battery Management System to load balance across multiple units. GivEnergy - just read the support issues on their forum! 🤦♂️
I dream of learning and working with you from Nigeria. Electric Handly
It's great how much polystyrene is involved in saving the planet.
I guess you've never heard of biodegradable polystyrene
@@kobirelf97 No such thing, there are only biodegradable ALTERNATIVES to polystyrene.
I got a Swytchbike EV conversion for a Brompton last year and it was beautiful packed with clever cardboard shapes. The only plastic in the whole thing were a couple of little poly bags with some fixings and brackets.
Where did the boys go?!
Oh, precutting CAT cables to a straight line, not upgraded to the new RJ45 connectors where you feed though and the crimping tool also cuts the excess of so your not struggling to feed in or getting the size slightly to long or short. (I do network instillations for my own company)
Passthrough rj45 connectors sometimes leave exess wire strands sticking out of the connector which can short out between pins, use with caution.
@@elliott7083 Depends how cheap your crimp/cutting tool is......buy a decent one and it's not a problem.
@@elliott7083 how does that short between pin the RJ45 receptacle is required to be plastic backed as part of the spec? the only thing it should be able to contact in cheaper connectors are the wire for that pin so that would not cause a short.
That’s not how it should be terminated. You should fit a 3 pole isolator at the boiler. You could of saved all that hassle by installing a contactor to the boiler and la Elle’s it as two supplies the switched live could operate the contactor. Get a small contactor for a few pounds
I bet there was some disappointment when the covers arrived with the perfect gap for that trunking. That's an OCD trigger for sure.
Cost of that setup?
That be ok for the first thousand customers but when they become so popular like everything else that will change big style in terms of customers services but the price of them is appealing how much would install be on a average 3 bedroom house
These units seem to be very expensive relative to the competition. £4595+vat (exc installation) for 5kwH battery (£900/kwh). I had 10kwh installed one year ago of a competitor battery for £3300 (£330/kwh) (zero vat ) as installed with Solar. Have I got my calculations wrong?
Can you share what you got? At the moment I am leaning towards givenergy over Libby or Powerwall. All should be equally good on customer service, I think.
Basically just swayed by the EVM here on youtube
@17:17 - Giving the finger :)
I thought nearly dying every episode was Eletroboom's thing.
Any explanation why the Libby system is so much more expensive than, say, the new all-in-one Givenergy system with equivalent 9-10kW sizing? We all know where the LFP batteries inside actually come from...
Maybe it's the build quality of the system or the in country tech support . Don't forget that the local installers will charge differently for different difficulty too . Lots of factors to consider .
Cory, you need to be on TV. There must be a show (kids or adult) looking for an electrician who can explain stuff so clearly and is good on camera. Maybe Billy from DIY SOS will retire some day. 😂
TV is a horrible industry to work in I would say stick to TH-cam and stay away from the TV industry
Cory to the Rescue..😎
I Sent a message about a solar install and no one came back hoping dome one see it here
33:10 Yeah, I'd expect MyEnergi to stay on the phone past closing at the very least - especially after the many thousands of pounds the customer's already invested in on an untested system - not to mention the extra (unpaid?) hours put in by yourself...
What is to stop these Batteries Bursting into flames, as I believe they use the same Lithium Ion Cells as in E.V's and they are dropping like flies at the Moment
A bit late to the party, but that was an immediate concern.
Two levels of risk. Simply the explosive/run-away nature of lithium battery fires, whatever the cause is a worry, but also, these are installed directly in front of where vehicles are parked (that said - I bet cars are rarely parked in that garage). Although highly unlikely to happen, but, there is nothing to stop a car accidentally running into this wall of batteries and potentially crushing them. It is a big installation with a large amount of stored energy.
These are or seem to be installed away from primary escape routes (looks a massive property) so are considered safe I guess, but, are still within the living/inhabited space. With no extract system then any dangerous fumes may also quickly get into the living space. Didn't see any fire detection system installed in the garage area either.
Do these installations have to be declared/signed externally in case of fire?
Is there or should there be an externally accessible kill/isolation switch? Not saying the installation is not safely installed, but, there are other considerations beyond the equipment itself if it were mine.
Corey could have his own "fans" site .....
Why are the batteries mounted basically on the floor? If there is a ever a water leak in there that would not be good surely
Seems ridiculous, especially with those water cylinders in the plant rooom
They should be sat on a raised plinth or concrete block so water cannot come in contact
The batteries look to be IP65 rated, so should be fine I guess unless it is a flood.
Cory's first Libby install was external and sitting on the ground.