DAW vs DAWless: Creative Limitations

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  • @justjoeblow420
    @justjoeblow420 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    For me the biggest reason I went DAWless is it works better for me with my ADHD. Seriously I spent over a year with only a DAW and a controller and could hardly get anything done. Sit me in front of hardware and I might write a half dozen drum patterns in a few hours some times. It's definitely been way more expensive, 1100 USD in and all I have to show for it is two hardware instruments but then again both are higher end options. I definitely work with a hybrid approach at times though especially for mixing which is where I most often reach for a DAW and even then I might not as much if I pick up a mixer to well mix with.

    • @xammai9679
      @xammai9679 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @ReinoRankaisija
      @ReinoRankaisija 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same here. Also with dawless I gave myself permission to jam, improvise and publish raw stuff that can be enjoyed in another way compared to polished products. I spent years noodling and procrastinating and now with a dawless setup I've been consistently blasting one performance per week and planning on making more polished albums soon where I record hardware synths with hardware sequencers and only do the polishing and final spice in DAW.
      The way I can just start blasting and looking for stuff immediately without starting software, loading plugins, having too many options and resisting distractions on the computer has changed everything for me. Working on a computer as an ADHD is extremely demanding.

  • @ReinoRankaisija
    @ReinoRankaisija 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I see a dude with a stack of VCR's behind him, I listen.

  • @IanWaugh
    @IanWaugh ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hey Robert - great topic! I'm a fan of creative limitation. I have a silly number of soft synths so have to make some sort of choice before starting 😊 I often pick a synth or some type of sound, often at random, and see where it goes...

  • @Reggi_Sample
    @Reggi_Sample ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I use RX1200 and limit myself to 1.8s sample time…. I don’t need to do this but why not. Very insightful video this channel will / should go far

  • @MistyMusicStudio
    @MistyMusicStudio ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is the best take I've seen on the topic so far! Well spoken and thought out, it's almost as if you practice metacognition or something 😜 I use a DAW for work, and (usually) DAWless when I'm making music for myself. Utilizing both as different means to different ends is great advice! For me, choosing an instrument to practice performance and songwriting on was better than learning music in a DAW, so I wouldn't recommend a computer to all beginners but I can see the strengths of it for sure. Excited to check out your band!!

    • @RobertOBlivion
      @RobertOBlivion  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I use a daw for work as well. I use a different daw for my own music though. It's good for separating those two activities apart from each other. Studio One is for recording other peoples music. Ableton is for recording my own 😛

  • @TheHorseValse
    @TheHorseValse ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good topic, nicely done!

  • @xammai9679
    @xammai9679 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude you articulate your self so well I love it great content ☮️👾💜

  • @saphronsquares
    @saphronsquares หลายเดือนก่อน

    Started off with and mainly use a DAW. As I added hardware I found that there was a lot more "happy accidents" and possibilities to do quick but powerful sound design, but usually all knob twiddling and audio gets heavily edited and post processed. A dawless setup would be cumbersome and inefficient to me, as I rely on using hardware to get powerful results fast that I can then post-process in a DAW. Using different synths running through pedals and multi fx is a nice way to create unique soundscapes and a wide variety of sound to flesh out my tracks without tanking cpu, and it's a lot more inspiring to work with hands on controls with specialized hardware than binding a ton of different fx to a midi controller. Also a nice way to not be a slave to the grid.
    I would still recommend anyone getting into electronic music and sound design to do the latter rather than the former.

  • @foolycooly6738
    @foolycooly6738 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope you won't try to control my mind through that Videodrome tape again, Mr. O'Blivion.

    • @HazeAnderson
      @HazeAnderson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH!

  • @keithbutler2222
    @keithbutler2222 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dawless to me just feels more like real instruments and that's what I'm used to...I like a bit of chaos

  • @nanocyde_artist
    @nanocyde_artist ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's important to be able to make music without any kind of dependence on a glowing Disinformation Vortex.

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Seriously, fear of web browsers is my favorite rationale for dawless GAS.

  • @jaffajenkins
    @jaffajenkins ปีที่แล้ว

    OooH Rob ,, Dont get me started on This Topic ,, Before Hardware saved my sanity i use to sit infront of a Laptop for 5 to 8 hours a night , i was only given 5 tutorials lasting an hour each of Reason 5 about 15 years ago then had to teach myself from then on as the guy in the studio dissapeared ...... LONG Story short ,, Software just has to many options ,as you said ,,infinite which totally did me in with choice ,, at least with Hardware you have Limitations and i find that to be much more Creative ....Great show as usual Robbie .

  • @MyOwnWayMusic
    @MyOwnWayMusic ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting topic and one approach I like taking is to write/produce on an iPad using GarageBand iOS and Cubasis as I find working with touch screen instruments and the limitations of iOS music making brings about a freer state of mind. Also I can take the iPad anywhere and work while mobile / portable which adds to the experience.

  • @chinchiIIa
    @chinchiIIa ปีที่แล้ว

    I think loveless is a great example of limitations. Many of the songs purposefully follow a similar song structure and a lot of the creativity comes in the use of sound design and recording, as well as using alternate tunings. Even though the album was really expensive to produce
    Autechre also made great music both with hardware and software.

  • @bigkik
    @bigkik ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting and never-ending debate. As a musical hobbyist I personnaly chose the dawless path with affordable sound modules. I could have bought a proper computer instead with lots of vst and plugins but i feel happy with my setup at the moment. I started looking for a computer and from my first researchs it is not cheap though...

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky ปีที่แล้ว

      How about a refurbished machine?

  • @radwarriortv
    @radwarriortv ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love your content! I'm on the dark side being such a dawless fanatic. I compose, preform dawless, yet I'm on the hybrid approach for recording. As awesome as it is to have a single wav file that everything was performed live, sounds great in theory, it is inferior in comparison to multi track editing. For me at least, for now haha I don't see the fascination ending anytime soon, it is all truly endless

    • @RobertOBlivion
      @RobertOBlivion  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My suspicion is that the most effective way to get it all in a single wav file is either to redo the same performance a few times, listening back and making tonnes of adjustments to the sound until its perfect, or getting someone else in to mix the performance live so you can focus on the music and they can focus on the sound. Would still probably take a few takes to perfect.
      I just had a listen to some of your stuff. Sounds great imo. Nice energy too!

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@RobertOBlivion I discovered Oora after he made a couple videos demonstrating his recording technique. I think he records a live performance mix in stereo, plus enough extra bits that can be remixed as needed.
      Of course, that approach is a little easier when you have a neverending supply of high-end boutique mixing gear like Oora. 😩

  • @babonneau
    @babonneau 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's a luxury question. All kinds of artists have tried to impose limitations on their technical approach to get a fresh creative perspective in a world "too full of possibilities" - like the danish filmmakers of the DOGMA movement in the mid-1990's including Lars (von) Trier and in many other contexts. On a spiritual level, some people go bananas (fanatic) on religion because it gives them a set of limited rules to follow when they feel lost in their lives with "too many possibilities" and they end up believing that total freedom is no good and leads to moral "decadence". In a creative context, setting rules and limitations can be very productive, but creativity is not only about the tool, it is about imagination and indeed making decisions within a set of possibilities. Some would rather buy their 20th synth or guitar than giving a little money to a charity or socially underprivileged kids who'd like to make music and possibly help some of their life paths be rerouted to more hopeful horizons - far away from criminality. Some are overwhelmed by the amount of choices, and our market economies encourage our endless consumption, so it's hard to resist temptation and staying "minimal" - material goods as a replacement for a more immaterial kind of satisfaction and fulfilment. And our needs may be different at age 20 or 50, as we mature and evolve through life - as well as to which social group and country we come from. A direct physical hands-on approach feels indeed more tangible and reassuring in our world going full digital - and by so doing re-engineering our societal structures, human behaviours and how we deal with relationships. There is also an element of nostalgia in going DAW-less and retro / analogue, which is being monetised and therefore promoted. Speaking from a room filled with gear will also give me a bias. Speaking from a room at one's parents house (where one doesn't pay rent and can invest all "pocket-money" into new or used gear, or from one's own place is also something that gives food for thought and leads me to take information online with a grain of salt, despite the question being interesting at its core. There are many open questions, and my foreign english is not as good as your native english, but I preach for a balance - that means no locked-down dogmas in one extreme or the other. Whatever makes one creative with the tools at hand, go for it! I'll give a little Yamaha PSS-A50 keyboard to my 10-year old daughter for Christmas - I think that kids should start with hands-on creative tools and those tools don't need to be the most complex and expensive ones. It is important for the young generation born in our digital age to understand where all our digital tools come from, so I plan to give her a vinyl record player and show her how to take analogue photos and process them in a darkroom in a few years.

  • @BROKEN-G0VT
    @BROKEN-G0VT 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started with DAWs, then started messing around with analog, about to get the required equipment to record with, thanks for the help men 😅

  • @meampersandwill
    @meampersandwill ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool ass video my g

  • @mathieupe666
    @mathieupe666 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Subtitles: "Door or Doorless"

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky ปีที่แล้ว

      CommoDoor 64 or Windows Vista

  • @NularMusic
    @NularMusic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    #deep video, thanks for sharing your thoughts! A few years ago I chose to limit myself to 100% live recording both within a DAW and with my DAWless setup: no moving recorded tracks around, no MIDI editing after the fact. This has taken me to some very interesting places, but I'm starting to wonder whether I should limit myself to only this limitation. 🤔

    • @RobertOBlivion
      @RobertOBlivion  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gotta catch them all (limitations that is)

  • @jessedew26
    @jessedew26 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Robot hand really is the future

  • @bryanbytes
    @bryanbytes ปีที่แล้ว

    Use a DAW always!
    (Unless you wanna just jam, or set creative limits, or really just like the dawless workflow, or…)

  • @GeorgeLocke
    @GeorgeLocke ปีที่แล้ว

    Constraints and _affordances_. This is a term from UI and game design. An affordance is the knob that you turn to do the thing (technically speaking). So, like a skill tree, or the rocker on a wah pedal, patch points on a semi modular synth, these are all affordances.
    Often DAW vs DAWless is a

  • @olafsigursons
    @olafsigursons 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I find DAW way too useful to not use it. I use it as an onboard mixer/FX. Hybrid is the way to go for me.

  • @springof7646
    @springof7646 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why choose DAW or DAWLESS? They can co-exist!! I think this is when the magic comes

  • @sw1ftyrange1
    @sw1ftyrange1 ปีที่แล้ว

    DAW dubstep gang

  • @NsD3001
    @NsD3001 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for explaining what a DAW is..😂

  • @Domingo95x
    @Domingo95x ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont care what you use, just dont make music that sucks. work on doing that.

  • @bose5160
    @bose5160 ปีที่แล้ว

    Limits="Can't do what you want to do" meaning your final product isn't as good as it could have been given enough time to flesh it out/make it better....

  • @DVDFRMN
    @DVDFRMN ปีที่แล้ว

    The screen is death