Propeller Drive Line Upgrade - Dealing with Stress
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ย. 2024
- You can reduce stress or you can harden up and deal with it. Our poor propeller drive train has been under a lot of stress. We help it deal with it.
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We passed you guys in ft pierce in late July and were flying an Oklahoma flag and shouted OKLAHOMA!! Glad to see people pressuring dreams. Keep up the hard work and don’t let the mechanical set backs get your spirits down
Awesome! Thank you!
You can tell Stan is a good mechanic and a good guy! Great man to have on board.
Enjoying the process of continuous improvement. 👍
Me too. Deciding now were to go to test it out. : )
I fought an over tightened locknut on my bmx axle this weekend. With no vise, the solution was to use the holes in the cone spanner and some self tapping screws to secure it to the bottom of my desk and a breaker bar to loosen the locknut. Thanks for the inspiration Doug 👍
Get R Done!
Doug, I am glad to see I am not the only one who can make 2 or 3 projects out of 1. Best wishes Paul Rice, Hemphill, Tx
"Remember... put oil in it" Loved that line.
Bunch of good people helping you out Doug.. love it
Yes Indeed.
Catching up w/ Seeker...nice work in tight spaces!
A severe case of boat yoga 😅
Well done!
Dough would be bored of this boat if it didn't have growing pains! Seeing people crammed into tight compartments below the waterline brings back good memories.
True. There is a lot of joy in working out the kinks.
Used to come down to my boat slip, and see the captain that owned the place's feet sticking out of a deck hatch. He'd say 'I'm resting". I'd yank his 80 year old self out of there, then take his place, until the next captain happened by. We always got 'er done, somehow.
R.I.P. Captain Joe Masone.
Great project, Doug. Always fun to see what’s happening on Seeker
Glad you enjoyed it
Hell yeah! What a journey for the transfer case, reminds me of the the casting journey of the bronze "capstan"?? Thing for the anchor winch.
The only thing that comes to mind now based off the previous stress tests you posted is to maybe upgrading the design for the aux heat sink you added to keep the temp down but maybe no need. Plus there is probably a list of non transfer case projects yall are looking forward to.
The amount of different projects and skillsets it takes to design, build, test break and fix, maintain and upgrade a boat like this is somewhat staggering when I think of it. One thing at a time, little bit everyday. Ive seen other boat builds since finding your channel years ago, but the working boat concept yall have going on is right up my alley. Happy to see you succeed! Cant wait for more thanks for sharing Doug.
I need a torque converter with springs installed in my brain to help me manage life stress! :)
If it was only that easy. : )
On the compressor Union try drilling and tap a grub screw hole on nut of the union.
@@seancrumby3241 Yeah, that should do the trick.
Stress can be managed with a healthy dose of " I don't care ! "
@@louisavondart9178 True Words. : )
Butyl tape is a life saver! I use it all the time for tricky bolts! It also works well to dampen vibration on trim pieces that rattle.
Fun project to 3d print. Make a slug that holds a magnet. Press into socket. Sure helps keeping ahold of run away bolts and nuts.
Morning Doug, just got in from a ride out into Kent on my little Honda CB125. Life is great....
Awesome. Born to be Wild
@@SVSeeker Not quite, more like woke up early to ride the bike and be happy. Top speed was 60MPH. Now I am going to cook me up a huge everything thrown in a frying pan type fried breakfast. The kind when you can feel your Arteries hardening as you eating.....
9:10
Perché non ti comperi un invertitore serio?
@@toninoandre2313Sorry but I don't understand this comment?....
Today is a good day. Thanks for the encouragement.
Our mission is to assemble the greenhouse. 8 person team, starting at 9am Central time
Awesome. Have Fun
@@SVSeeker Send him some picture for his What Did You Make Today. Just as an idea....
i am jealous of all the reasons you have to use your tools.
The 5.9 has a hole on the left side for a batting tool. So remove the starter to access the torque converter bolts and use a batting tool to turn the engine. Much easier than the front pulley.
The barring tool is cheap and it’s necessary for valve adjustment and replacement the injection pump.
Actually you can only see the bolts if you remove the starter. With this bell housing they have to be removed from the other side. And that hole is apparently on the starboard side too from the videos I have seen and we have an exhaust pipe there. But I do think my oil filter removal strap will work better. I'll try that next time.
Wow!
You guys are the Best!
I quit working on stuff when my eyes wouldn’t let me!
Yeah, I am not fond of working on small parts. The older I get the bigger I want them. : )
Another interesting video mate. Thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it
Glad to see your working out all those kinks in the drivetrain sir! Watching the progression feels like years, he, he! Be safe out there:)
Hopefully you don't have any further problems with the 205, but it does make me wonder if a later style chain driven T-case like a NV241/243 or NV271/273 would have the same issues. In your shoes if I broke the 205 again I'd probably order an aftermarket Atlas tcase or similar. Those units can be made really stout to handle some fairly extreme power and shock loading. Also ratios are customizable, and still cheaper than commercial marine alternatives like you've mentioned.
Teflon tape works to hold a bolt and pulls free easy.
In our project, there's a big 8ft-deep "hole" right next to where we work on the gearboxes and motors. We refer to it as "The Abyss". It's actually the inside of the rotary column for the azimuth axis. It routinely eats bolts and small tools. Every few weeks, we con someone who is more agile to descend into it and retrieve the evidence of our oopsies.....
Great job guys well done.
Thank you!
If you think a 3ft tide is big ....cum the uk we get tides over 10metres in the mersey and even bigger in bristol channel over 12 metres
That's what you call old fart gymnastics... Well done both Holy shit. 👏
Very very good
Thanks
Not sure if you can get it in there but they make an engine bar over tool that goes in the belle housing. Comes in handy for me when I'm setting the valves. Good luck to you on your journeys
Yes, others have shown me one, and unfortunately there is an exhaust pipe where the hole is.
Great job
Thanks
18:32 definitely looks like it's switching gears alot smoother
Yes but 3 days of work creates a Big placebo effect. : )
Use Aviation wire-tying to insure the union stays intact. You can drill the small holes needed in the nut sections you will find many uses for wire-tying to insure stuff stays connected
That amount of work sounds like a good idea if it was an airplane. :-)
@@SVSeeker for stuff undercover and outa sight never question it again.
That amount of work sounds like a good idea if it was an airplane.
@@TwoAcreDesigns Oh, don't be such a baby. Advice is cheap.
@@TwoAcreDesigns Oh for fuck sake. Let me help you out. Don't be such a fucking crybaby. And wire ties are a bad idea. It's a waste of time. You weaken the bolt by drilling the head. They need to remain torqued not just in place and wires do nothing for maintaining torque.
Doug, a Cummins engine barring tool, from Amazon, would make this, and future engine work (overhead, otherwise known as valve lash adjustment) and such, a lot easier, for little cash outlay.
Yeah but there is an exhaust pipe where that thing goes.
Crossing All my fingers and toes that this resolves The issues. Your Engine room is Definitely one of the hardest to work in for a boat of your size.
I do Wonder if these automotive/truck components Are really strong enough For boat use Where the loads are so high and continous. It seem like you should be using components from tractors and off road equipment that is run hard 24/7.
Cheers warren
I know the 4x4 folks have run a lot more HP through things like the NP205 than I will ever do. I still believe we just need to persist, but if we do snap something in the NP205 now, we'll look at a bigger box. I doubt it will be anything "marine" but more truck or tractor as you say. : )
@@SVSeeker let’s hope this works, as you know it’s the high duty cycle for marine and off road machinery that is so different , not the 10% duty cycle of automotive applications despite the brief high hp.
@@Cheers_Warren No, I don't think the 4x4 guys would agree with that duty cycle estimate at all.
@@SVSeeker They have not run boats then! When you look at power boats they are often running at 80% throttle for hours at a time ( like off-road equipment , think bulldozes and tractors where throttle is pegged for hours). Then you need to add that the same engine gas or diesel can get 20-50% more horsepower because water/heat exchanger is much more efficient that air cooled radiators . Compare the specs for the hp/torque for same Detroit diesel in a greyhound bus and in a marine application . So much higher continuous power rating.
I may be wrong on the actual #of duty cycle of automotive off-road but how many of then hold the throttle at WOT or close to for several hours at a time? It’s just not physically possible . Roads aren’t that long!!!!
We will see , what do they consider their continuous max duty rating?
Cheers Warren
Looks similar to a dual mass flywheel in a 4wheel drive sports car. All these accommodations have to butter up the input forces.
Nice work. I thought you were going to all "127 Hours" on Sam's arm there. Like you I takes pictures of everything and use printed labels and coloured cable-ties and notes, as I don't have a YT channel to refer to. I'm only watching this while doing some 'research' so I can get back out and work on something in my workshop, honest!
Nice fix! 👍
Sure hope it is. : )
No more wood and can't find the holes.. sounds like a rough day, guys. Fingers crossed she takes it well.
GOOD TIMES‼️ Doug to Sam, who is STUCK, DON'T GO ANYWHERE. 😮 😅😅😅😅
LOL : )
Don't forget to put locktite on the torque converter bolts, Don't want those those coming loose for a long time yet
Hell, no they’re hard enough to get off as is. We’ve done this twice and none have come loose so again, no.
I sure enjoy seeing these videos, but here's hoping you don't have any driveline work to share with us for a while!
LOL Time will tell. But we are getting really good at it. : )
I just need more springs in my life.
Exactly! We could all do with more flexibility. : )
Where did you get the idea of the spring torque plate/converter? I like it. I got high hopes. You would think the guy who made the previous torque converter adapter for you would have known of such a gizzmo. I guess third time is the charm. Also, I think I have seen such a thing before as the one you have now, but I dont remember where. Maybe a small engine repair. I just cant remember.
That guy would be Mikey, and we discussed it when we did the first one. The thought then was that the torque load would be less than it is. Also I’ve seen a broken springs on them. And they are not rare, I think most manual clutches have springs build in like that. At least the Ford 7.3 I had did.
I hate to even think this but how much easier this job would have been if the engine and drive train went in as the last step? Very much enjoy your videos!
Ha! That ain't the first rodeo and it will not be the last. : )
You might have to put a carbon monoxide alarm in the engine room if there is any risk of an exhaust leak.
Yes Mother
Great content. i had a 69 dodge familiar with gearbox bolts vibrating loose all that is a memory. When i rebuild transmission on another vehicle i had and when i went to install bolts on flex plate my transmission shop worker friend insitisted i used those hardened black bolts that are meant to shear or not i dont remember the reasons they had different bolts and it was against the rules of rebuilds to go to hardware store like you did in a trany guys worlds mindsets
No worries. I've been breaking rules for decades. : )
You should make a manual engine turner out of an old power steering pump for when you need to do jobs like this.
Yes, something. I wonder if my oil filter removal strap would not work better?
4:27 $2?...... you got paid $2 to wear the shirt?..... 😂
Have you tried lock wiring any of those bolts/ unions?
Or a bigger wrench : )
Doug they do make a 5.9 turn over tool that Engauge's with flywheel through a hole in bell housing its like 20.00 on ebay
Yeah, someone showed me one of those, but I have an exhaust in the way.
7:59 McGuyver would’ve used chewing gum. 🤣
Should have done marine gear from the start. Less stress and work.
Great idea for a common boater. : ) Some of us love figuring this out and doing it for a fraction of the cost. I guess we fine the common boater unimaginative, uncreative, and afraid of getting grease under their fingernails.
If you need any help let me know! Mitch the Jet Ski Guy!
I was thinking that if you have generator and engine in the same airspace as your quarters, then you might want to install a couple of CO sensors?
We do.
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Buy a real ZF marine gear for that old school bus Cummings motor. Maybe a hydraulic z drive too. Stork converters and boats not work especially ones with variable props. $1500
Nope. Not yet. Not time to give up.
@@SVSeeker Get rid of the variable prop and the truck 4 wheel drive gear reducer a marine transmission can handle all the power that cummings engine can produce at full speed all day long. Your limiting factor should be exhaust high temperature not drive line weakness.
@@kennethchristensen7457 No, I don't quit nearly that easy. Do You?
@@SVSeeker My wacko armchair theory is that you just need a slightly smaller propeller and all the loads/torque will be reduced just enough to make the whole thing happy
@@VeganSurf Your wacko armchair theory is wrong.
did you do all that in 1 day@
Oh yeah. Only took us about thirty minutes. : )
How did you not smell that exhaust leak? 😮
Engine room blowers.
whats the wire nut for @17:58
440V AC
Have you tried Harry's Seafood?
We did. Great place.
Or you could put a strong magnet in the socket. Just don't drop that too!😮
We tried a magnet. Not enough room in there and it wanted to stick to the flywheel more than anything else. : )
Buenos Notches.... Nobody caught that?
They make a flywheel turning tool that goes in the bellhousing and turns flywheel like 30 bux off Amazon
I found it. It great except there is an exhaust pipe there. : )
Always something haha try turning it by alternator nut? Just spit balling love the journey
Is there a reason why you just didn't run a locking converter? Seems it would solved all that.
Don't exist of that transmission.
I started watching SV Seeker since the very begining.Over the past 2 yrs.I missed a bunch.And I was wondering what happened to Betsy?I was shocked not see her.I hope someone lets me know. Thanks
Nothing happen to Betsy. She's fine. Stick you finger in a socket if you want to be easily shocked. : )
Why not building a gearbox rail like rice cars its a rail that make able to slide the trans after you unbolt it. It make that job easy.
Interesting Idea
Marine engineers should be short, skinny people. Or.. engine rooms should be roomier ! Either way, you need oil. Question: Do they make magnetic sockets? Someone should.
I need to loose 10 pounds or adopt a small boy. : )
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did i just hear dougs boat uses the metric system? 😅
Both. Even have a couple of British fittings in there. : )
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How did this junk get insurance????
Insurance? What is this thing you call insurance? : )
74 ' ship ER just as cramped as a 30' who didnt get the memo?
Ooh nasty, boats are never easy to work on. Atleast you can stand up in your engine room. Pleasure boats your crouched down crawling on your knees. Glad I dont work on boats tried it a few times no thanks lol. That new drive plate should make a difference.
you looked like you were cutting it pretty close going under that bridge there
I imagine somewhere along the way you measured the height of Seeker but doesn't she change when loaded with gear, fuel and water?
is there a device that can give you an accurate reading on your height near the bridge or is it more of an art than a science?
Glad you got her going.
don't forget to stop at the Waffle House and get a couple souvenir coffee mugs for the mess kit
That was actually 12 feet. We have seen less than a foot. : ) And the height is on the charts recoded at high tide and the is also a gauge on the side that shows the exact height from the water. However I have seen one of those that was six feet off. The span was actually higher. And finally we measured the mast height over the water. It is called the “air draft” and ours is under 54 feet. Very low for a boat our size thanks to the Chinese Junk rig.
@@SVSeeker that is pretty cool.
I think you now qualify as a U.S Navy engineer. As soon as the engine room is stuffed with a bunch of equipment blocking access to any other component, you qualify.
LOL Yep, we are there. : )
Doug, I'm going to build a walking robot. Like one from the movie Avatar. If some guy built a boat of this size in his backyard, I can do it too. I'm writing this here, because it will be fun to read this comment in the future again.
I want to ride in it!
why do you have so much framing over shit you have to remove and piping
that all should be open space
U clearly never seen the inside of a boot before
That is not a lot of framing. And there is an 800 pound generator that sits there. : )
Twenty millimeters is easier to say than 3/4 of inch.
That to a new level :-)
19 millimeters is easier to say than 3/4 inch followed by several f words because the 20mm rounded the f€_£3r off
lets start a gofund me to get doug a velvet drive, and end this bull shit
Some idiot with no imagination will be happy to take your money. : )
I think of sending him a marine type needed he should add to that other yoke a older navy water pump for emergency bilge pump in storms
No, it’s better to run it through a thingamabob and a gizmo then a do jigger, you’ll never have any problems. Relax Doug it’s a joke. Remember them?😊
I’m still waiting to see the boat live up to its true potential. Svsinker.
It’s definitely a junk.
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