STAGE 1: XR650 vs. KLR650
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I’m so glad you guys are doing more videos about the XR650L. Thanks!
I hear ya dude 😎🇺🇸✌🏽
Had an 04 KLR650 new. Put it through the ringer as a dual sport. Big Gun exhaust and jet kit. Really is the VW beetle of the dual sport world. There many reasons riders choose them for worldly adventure trips. Simplicity and reliability. The 08 and up. Not so much. Another forgotten choice is the DR650. Solid.
Ya man . All good bikes
What happened after 08? I want to get a klr some day.
They lowered the suspension and chassis somewhat. Whole bike seemed to be built of lesser quality materials. 08 had a problem with using oil. Like a lot of oil. Not all the engines but more than enough did. As far as off road ability or ruggedness. Would take the pre 08 KLR any day.
@@dougderby9454 why did they smoke? Ring spacing or valves ?
I love dyno tuning. Real data! You guys rock!
brilliant idea showing the dyno shoot outs , i could watch them for hours , at last seeing true figures , would love to see some low mileage classics tested , just to sort out the myths and legends ie Vmax , GSXR 750 slab side , RD500 , XT 500 , Z900 , CB750 SOHC , XS650 any evo Harley , T120R etc hell, anything !! , keep the legends alive , love your commitment ,
I want to see a xl600r or xr600r with the duel carbs on the dyno
Can't find gaskets for those dual carbs drives me nuts !
@@kantorobo7718 ebay Baby! 4 into 1 moto has a decent complete rebuild kit for about 20 bucks
Love that XRL 650 the really only 4 stroke road and trail bike I like. Reminds me of my XR 200R I use to tear around on back in high school🇦🇺👍
I had a 81 xr 200 , it was a great trail bike for sure
Dr650.
Yeah mine was a 81 as well haha👍
Had an 05 klr loved it...traded for softail 15 years ago but missed the dualsport life so bought a 19 xr650. Klr was great for toolin around, xr is great for acting like a kid with a can stuck between his forks.
Proper. Glad you are back.🙏🙏🙏
@@stmboat 😁👍
I dynoed a stock made in Italy European Yamaha TT 600, Early nineties model Kickstart only, It just had a slip on and possibly was jetted. 40 horsepower at the wheel. I think the dry weight was around 300, It had olen's suspension and brembo brakes, Yamaha but made an Italy. They should have brought those here.
I got one my self.
TT 600R is the name.
Made in the Belgarda factory in Italy. Doesnt even got a battery and as you say only kickstart.
Deltabox aluminium swingarm, Öhlins rear shock, Paioli fork, Takasago(excel) Wheels and Tomaselli handlebar.
An amazing machine.
@@shinysideup2134 I agree, it's amazing you here so little about them. They were never available in the states
More 4 stroke dual sport tuning please!
Damn that dyno is an awesome tool!
I like these videos where you show the dyno results and hear from the mechanic wheelie guy.
What about an XR650R?
Do a Xr650r that is uncorked and has the HRC kit in it. Xr650r is a beast. I wonder what the hp and torque would be🤔
You have to Test a KTM 690 SMC-R.The most powerfull Single.
Ok, if your going to do the XR and the KLR, you have to include the DR. Thanks.
Had the last year of the xr500r and the secound year of the xr600r. I think the old dual carb bikes may have more top end power than the newer single carb bikes. That 500 was no joke either. It had larger carbs than the 6 honey.
Sold off a rental house back in 05, paid off my own place and left with just under 2k to buy an enduro. KLR was the only thing I could find within a 150 miles. Thing was admittedly fun to ride on the street but was the worst thing I'd rode in the dirt possibly since my low pipe 250 Elsinore. The front end would knife under in the dirt with zero warning despite having new progressive fork springs. Later on purchased a 650L and even a DRZ400S, owning all at the same time evaluating them. That pig iron KLR was the first to be sold, it'd get high centered and stuck crossing railroad tracks (in a no crossing point). Ended up keeping the 650L for a spell with the DRZ. But that lil DRZ would feel like a real dirt bike and seemingly run circles around the 650L. The Honda was better taking on the highway to the next town over, but the DRZ was way more like a dirt bike, taking the back gravel roads. Even took DRZ 14K feet elevation out in Colorado with dozen plus of dirt bikes (mostly KTM's) on an outing, mine the only one being full street (license plate), electric start and cooling fan. Still own 2 today (street converted E models). Thanks for the great content guys!
That dyno is the cat's ass for dialing in your bikes..seat of the pants tuning kinda works until the barometer changes..Kaplan cycles kick's ass!!
I usually just jump to stage 17 and blow the thing up ! lol. Great video as always guys, thumbs up .
I could watch videos like this all dang day until the Rapture! Soooo interesting from Kaplan & Jeff comments to Dyno stuff..this video is just LIKE the 3D version of reading 80's Dirtbike magzines!!
I love the 2 stroke rev when u guy rode the 650s in at the begining
I have an Xr 650l I did all mine at xrs only in Hesperia ca wossner piston smog delete twin air filter stainless valves Tokyo mods fc 41 carb xrs only full exhaust Dunlop d606s bigger tank ,it’s ok maybe 40 horsepower by seat of the pants , but the real beauty of this bike is that it can go 3500 miles between oil changes and the valves ha I’ve never touched em the thing runs good enough. This bike will never be a fire breather so I’m content with a happy medium . I am actually surprised how decent the stock suspension is . Rocks ha no problem when my front wheel hits them rocks explode ,sand however no bueno.
There is no known universe where a KLR 650 will zip down the highway at 85 smoothly or effortlessly One up let alone 2 up.
Yeah my buddy has one and he hit 85 one up going downhill and thats all she had.
I have an 05 XR650R. Bone stock it made 46hp at the wheel. With the factory off road jetting kit, XR's Only choke plate, vented airbox, intake restrictors removed, and a modified stock pipe, it jumped to 52. There was a huge improvement in the midrange and it was still pretty quiet. The cycle shop even gave me an old street tire to put on for the testing.
Now get the head ported and get the hot cams stage 2 cam. It'll get you close to Johnny Campbells bike
great work guys!
This bloke is a legend 👍
I would absolutely love to see Ken of an Red-white-Blue Honda African Twin..
My first street bike was a 1985 Yamaha XT600. Put 45,000 miles on that thing and rode it into the ground.
KLR only Enduro thing is the fenders...is a street bike. XR is a Enduro trail sport bike
Both of those bikes sound bitchen! What a cool video. These days I commute on a 2006 KLR 650. My favorite bike of all time was an XR600R.
Ken you got to get yourself a late model husaberg 650
59 rwhp Stock 💪
How about dyno the husky 701
It's the tourqe with the bergs, also they weigh less than a modern crf 450 ;)
@@7x779 i don't know about this bike but probably around 60rwhp but heavier than hsb (112 vs 150kg)
Very interesting, the sience side of things. I’ve got an XR400 and I’ve got to get it checked out on the Dyno. Like Geoff said “ by the seat of your pants “ that’s how I’ve always done it and probably way out.
Having put nearly 30000 miles on a KLR. From stock to well modded, no KLR likes doing 85mph for long periods of times. They'll do it begrudgingly.
I have an 87' klr tengai( desert racer) for hooning around my local country roads..lanky and fast for a dirt bike at over a ton..so reliable and strong Kawasaki built a diesel version for the Austrian army... getting rare now too .
I remember riding wheelies on my old Klr and I would be in first and have to really rev the thing and dump the clutch to get it up, and if you had a full tank it was a lot harder
Better comparison would've been with the KLX 650 R
The Dyno rocks and is a must when modifying for peak performance awesome job fellas great video.
My 82 XR 500 has 48 hp guaranteed. Kidding. I am surprised at how low HP the 650 L has.
Can you dyno at 90s CR250 or tell us results you have previously gotten?
I did the same to a 97 XR650L FMF power Core. Great info in this video. One day I would love to visit you guys. Keep up the great work
Top of the day. Can you PLEASE do a comparison with the 1986 HONDA XL600R to the XR650L on the DYNO? Since you currently have them both there in your shop.
Again love the Dyno posts the B's stopes here kinda suprized klr made more than I expected
"this is science" not that science they talk about in the news hahahah
Reporting Fake news isn't science
BASED!
I would love to have one of these XR650R Hondas
theres only one problem with the klr its a heavy tank compared to the xr
I wish I could have had my XR680l dynoed it was a al baker model with ported head flat side carb big fin kit awesome bike
Great video. Why does he wear brass knuckles?
By the way, I recently learned that the reason the XR650 and DR650 are virtually unchanged since the 1980s is because they were grandfathered in to the emissions laws.
Has anyone else heard of that?
I have heard that too, plus the tooling for these machines has long since been paid for pure profit for the manufacturers
@@danielrelph2092 also it seems that there's really nothing else available like them. If you want a simple reliable Bulletproof air-cooled big single dual sport, what else is there but Suzuki and honda? I'll never get why the Kawasaki is even considered, have you seen the weight of the newest one? If I'm not mistaken it weighs more than many twin cylinder Adventure bikes. But makes half the power. The only one I've ever driven was a late 80s or early 90s, and I hated it. It was heavy, cutlass, had no personality, could barely keep up with traffic on the freeway, about the only thing I would consider it for is thinking of it is some kind of a scooter to do local errands not too far from the house
What main and pilot jet were y'all running in the xr650l on these dyno runs? I have mine setup nearly identical to this but don't have access to a dyno. I'm running a 55 pilot and a 162 main, just curious about what you guys think about my stoichiometry. I'm usually riding at between 500 and 1200 ft elevation
The Dyno videos are fun to watch, keepup the great work guys!
what about the jet settings i would like to copy them :(
I've allways thought that the one thing that the 20 year KLR could have improved on was a 6th gear to bring that rpm and oil consumption down on the freeway.
I think (Know) that ALL Dirt bikes SHOULD have a minum of 6 speed trany's !!!
the wizards daddy is on the ball,no flies on that guy...lol
Which main jet you put on it
Xr650l
Parts list ?
@KLAPANAMERICA
Awesome video...
Can't wait to see JR's beast!!!
We spent hours messing with jetting and needle settings on my stock carb...It still sucks...right now I'm running a jet that we drilled out..
It is bigger than a 200 ok...Ridiculous....I have to sacrifice the power it has right now and move the needle back so it's not running lean..It pulls hard and quick but I get a lean pop about mid throttle in 2nd & 3rd gear.....
So, I have a stage 1 cam,
Slip on exhaust, k&n, smog delete...
I feel like I'm pushing the limits of the stock carb and just need to upgrade...Ive seen guys put the 650R carburetor on and get good results...Or maybe I should just get the carb you are using on JR's bike?
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Thanks
A cheap air/fuel or lambda gauge can go a really long way.
Although I agree a Dyno is a great tool I'm old school for a young guy. I like seat of the pants and I also made an Arduino based data logger for my turbo xr200 based 155cc drag bike. I like that better especially with boost the load in is more real. I will say iv built lots of these into some animals and especially the xr650l is under carburatored big time. I say throw an hsr42/44 on it without the filter and jet it to that so we can see what the stock stuff can actually make when you support it. Adjusting the cam timing makes a big difference on the xr. Doesn't really need valves anytime soon port already flows more than the stock carb will allow then the cam is the next too small thing. Found grinding the basecircle down on a crank grinder (stock timing/duration/ramp rates) made a massive difference hard to remember but I think we shot for .450 lift at the valve. Did it on a weekend. Ceramics help lots too with the heat recommend doing the chamber dome and ex port big oil temp difference and some more power. Stock ignition timing is also super conservative. We always bump it on the xr's just a few degrees helps alot.
Look how flat that torque curve is... Lol love the old school big bore 4 strokes. Also, XR is like 60- 80 lbs less weight
Great video!
Duel sport 650s are so much fun,after a little tweeks they run real good
My 30 year old Suzuki dr650r came from the factory rated at 45hp,and even for an old bike, it was corked up real good
Would love to get in on the dyno after my jetting the carb, & junking the huge restrictive exhaust!
It hauls the mail now,huge fun on and off road😁
If you can get your hands on an early kick start DR,they were fast out of the box
The only thing left to do on my DR650 dream list is a Lectron carb. Then when I turn 80 yrs old, a Recluse clutch...lol
“This is science” yeessssss!
Xr650r please. Dyno dyno
So no test on the 650 Honda after he change the jetting
Can't wait to see the XR after it's built.
You gotta get a xr650R on that dyno!
kawasaki klx 650 r pls :D
Nice! Made the same upgrades to my XR! This answered a few questions...thanks!
just learned alot more about proper 13:1 burn and jetting! awesome job guys!!!!
th-cam.com/play/PLyTjGWYBzynCsVTGTCDpJIzsz3seMRYRZ.html
Left you some carb information how to tune and each circuits function.
Awesome information thank you. I live in Idaho and would love to bring a XR640l to you guys and have built. I am waiting on mine to arrive. Hopefully soon. Being an old school MX racer i definitely need/want more than stock.... FYI Following.
My 05' Klr650, 22cent mod 145 main jet 2.5 turns on a/f mixture screw, L airbox mod, UNI air filter, Leo Vince exhaust, 16-42 sprockets....46hp on dyno
with the Gen 2 KLR did you put the 16 tooth sprocket on the front to cruise 85 mph on the interstate 2 up? My Gen 3 will do 85 but not so comfortable pretty wrapped out. Also bone stock because I am still within my "warranty" so of course being a sensible guy you wait until the factory warranty is up and then you do all your upgrades.
I would love to know exactly what you're doing to your xr650l carb so I can copy you. Thanks for the kickass content.
Same here! I can’t get mine dialed in
Nice. I have a 2014 klr 650
I would like to see the water cooled standard XR650r, please note (R) there is a big difference on your Dyno. I am quite sure a very old worn out and abused 650r motor would be still push out well over 45 HP. I am not sure why you are not wearing a helmet and safety gear on your motor bike test stunts particularly on the roads. Cheers to the the HONDA XR650r not the piss weak (L). Come on put one on your Dyno if your dare!, love to see it.
I had a hard time deciding whether to go Honda or Kawasaki back when I got mine. I went with the Honda but the Kawasaki is a super nice bike.. cool video
Where’s the DR650?
How do you like your XR650L off road compared to the KLR? And why dont you like the XR very much for on road compared to the KLR?
Liquid cooled vs. an air cooled motor is not an equal comparison . The air cooled motor will not handle the heat generated by performance upgrades like a liquid cooled motor . Reliability will suffer .
only 3hp more from a big bore kit with a new cam and oversized valves?????? what??!!!
I hope I get a dirt bike
Awesome video Ken. I have a klr as well and it was nice seeing that bad boy on the dyno!
Finally get a honest opinion of the klr everyone seems to bash it and not give it q chance. I can power wheelie standing in 3rd on my klr and ride it like a dirtbike in the woods. Very capable
What most people commenting do not seem to understand is that every dyno will test different, Can be adjusted incorrectly (Read high or low) or even when run, a different day can skew the results. It is a fantastic tool for tuning or comparing parts. Do not be surprised when the peak numbers are different than your dyno numbers. 👍
Hahaha I cruised with two people at 80mph on my 250 KLR and it had no problem
I have the last production year 2000 XR600r in near perfect condition
How would a KLR650 compare to a DR650 of the same or near year model. ?
I thought about a pipe for my new to me, 940 original mile (!) 2001 KLR 650. After hearing these I will just ride it as is.
i did a "stage 1" mod to a '96 and it made a little over 36 HP... but I used a supertrapp slip-on with an extra pack of disks and it was a major contributor to my now chronic tinnitus.
@@dyanetti
In a moment of weakness (and a reduced price through a friend) I ended up buying a DG slip on, K&N air filter, and DynoJet kit. Yes, it was OBNOXIOUSLY LOUD!!
Rung inside my helmet. I bought DG's DB Killer which got it out of my helmet. Not sure about the power but it now runs like I would have expected to stock. I had to remove the airbox cover but it now has a noticeably harder pull from 3500-7500rpms.
Prior to the mods it just flattened out and surged a bit at 3500. I am pleased with it now.
Všetky sú krásavice 👍👍👍💪💪💪❤️
I'm surprised you don't have an xr650 R
Can’t hotrod a KLR bruh. Throw a leg over it and get down the road. Enjoy the ride.
Do you know what kind of hp a 1996 XR600r makes?
Don't know why Honda put those tacky shrouds on the XR650
Now you need to bring the suzuki 650 in
Just remembrer this boys and girls keeping real numbers in mind, the 1990 kx 250 had 52 HP!!!!!
Dyno. Just gotta have one. Science, that's right.
I'm buying some more slick 50 before we race.
More on the XR's I love them! 👍
What year is that KLR?
Does this guy have a shop for tuning or is this your guys dyno? Would love to get a few machines tuned but haven't found options for us local to nh? Thanks for any info guys love the vids!
Trust me when I tell you I did all this stuff 25 years ago and the big lie detector puts all the bullshit to bed
Just a small note - the XR600/628 will stretch the cases at about 50+ horsepower resulting in the counter balancer making its way outside the cases 😂😂
I tried a Carillo rod and rebalanced crank ect and even no counter balancer which was like an early Husabeg ie 50 hp paint shaker - Not friendly but ok for 15 Laps before until your hand and arms gave out. I was surprised the big Kawasaki didn't make more power but never tested a KLX only the KLR which was like a John Deere on steroids 🤣
The KLR/X has the potential being a better later engineered motor especially the head and cam dept vs the XR650 which Honda wore out the die's making that engine for so long
The XR650R still has many guys who just love them- They are like a blunt axe - they don't do any really well but you just cant stop em 🦘🦘🦘
Shine on Boys love the Channel and the bikes from back in the day 😎🐨🦘
Super vid. guys,.....PLS next compare KLR 650 VS XR 650 water cooled model.....That was awesome BIG one piston engine duel...
I wonder how much a cam and few things would do, I have an 01 raptor 660 and from what I hear they were pretty soft from the factory mine has a hotcam prob stage one, big gun headpipe, White brothers R4 silencer, Dyno jet kit air box mods, K&N filter it's geared down -1 front +2 on rear with 18s on back, with gearing n tire change it went from 80mph to about 60, I did it because trails n pits you dont need an 80mph wheeler... and now it is mega nasty sketchy arm straighting Tq... figured from what I've read maybe high 40s? Maybe it's optimistic I've never run it on a heart breaker....but the motor is pretty wild looking for sport wheeler, 5 valve, dual carbs dual headpipes and fairly high red line for a big displacement thumper. I kinda miss fast dirt bikes, I cut my teeth on bikes 42 years ago.