Only for certain games. There are many PC specific titles, simulators in particular, that still really prefer the higher single core performance of intels.
I am so glad that you took in the accessoires for Star Citizen. Tobii Eye Tracker in particular is increasing the state of immersion so much that I cant see how this would not be on the shoppinglist of every Citizen whom engages in dogfights from time to time.
Yeah, it does sound awesome, but I'm holding off to check the VR support. The way they've implemented Star Citizen, with a huge focus on immersion, really suits VR.
@@FlitwickGE agreed that luxury items could be cheaper. But on the other hand we have to pay 1000$ for a GPU to get some frames while the Tobii allows you to get an additional sense of your surroundings through the introduction of your eye movement in synergy with your mouse movement. I have to say for me it's well in range price wise to be considered.
such an annoying spot for gpus, my 3080ti is not enough. 7900xtx/4080 not exactly good for much longer, not buying a 4090 Also no good low imput/oled ultrawide or decent HDR. Some decent high refresh rates but not super good. I'm fine with my lg 34gp but there's tons of room for improvement
Very nice accessory section, I wasn't thinking about such things when clicking on the video, but they matter a lot for this game. GameGlass, the eye tracker and HOSAS are the way to go! Extra points for the eye tracker as it can be used is a lot of games (nearly all Ubisoft games, for example).
As soon as SQ42 hits the market I will upgrade my PC with all the needed accessories. It is really interesting to see what to focus on and to know that the GPU is not the bottleneck of the system. Didn't think about the Eye Tracker and those mounting systems for the joysticks.
Thank you so much for this video...Its all ive been searching for the past few weeks.. a "good pc build for star citizen" so this couldnt have come at a bettere time. Thanks again bro subbed
Voice attack is something I would recommend every commander in the verse also. It’s just so satisfying and effective. You can even choose an Ai voice to your liking.
@@danielschmidt1990 idk if you will see this but look into wingmanAI It uses chat GPT to take your voice and turn it into keybinds. such as (press button) "engines on" the app will run the keybind its set to for power and "wingman" will give you a response. Truly a game changer and can free up a good amount of binds. although I would also run a MIC mute so your buddies dont hear you talking to yourself
I recently got an i7-14700K upgrade to my "old" i7-10700K to pair with my 3090 GPU, I got a DDR4 motherboard so that I could reuse my 64GB RAM. The performance improvement by just swapping the CPU was huge. The 14th gen CPU cost $10 more than the 13th gen, but I got 4 more cores, a 200MHz increase in turbo boost clock, and 3MB more "SmartCache". I also develop software and the extra cores help reduce SW build times, so the extra $10 to go 14th gen was a no-brainer. The DDR4 probably holds it back 5% compared to average DDR5 modules, but that probably translates to 2-3 FPS drop in SC, which varies much more than that anyway as you move around.
My 7800x3d runs this game very well. I get FPS drops in cities or on some planets with storms but everyone does. And it runs relatively cool and efficiently.
@@MrAnimescrazy 7800x3d, RTX 4090, and 64 GB RAM (DDR 5 6000 CL30) I have the game on 990 Samsung Pro drive. The 7800x3d will eventually be replaced when AMD comes out with a better CPU, and I don't consider the 7950x3d better, not for gaming anyway. SC is not optimized so cities and some places like Aberdeen with clouds enabled mess with the FPS.
I am playing SC on a four year old build consisting of a Ryzen 7 3700x, 16GB 3200mhz Ram, and a 1660ti. I run smoothly everywhere but cities for the most part. I plan on upgrading this year though.
@@MrAnimescrazy I’m still a month or so out and there is a lot of configurations I could put together. I guess I won’t really know until I sit and start part picking.
For joysticks I tried out the T16000M but quickly found out I needed a lot more buttons. If you can I would go right to VKB or Virpil sticks. I currently have two Virpil Alpha sticks and are Extremely happy with them. They are smooth and precise and have so many buttons and hats on them it’s crazy. If you are going with a high end build then don’t skimp on the sticks.
Yeah... I would say that VKB Gladiators are the starters for Star Citizen. Anything less is garbage. Gladiators are well worth the money. However, Gunfighters are not IMO. If one is going to spend VKB Gunfighter money, you are doing yourself a disservice by not just getting Virpil sticks. Once you've used Virpil, you understand. It's like going from 1080p (VKB Gladiators) to 4k (Virpil Constellation Alphas or better).
Love the video. I upgraded to the 7800X3D CPU a few months ago. Went with 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30. Should be good for some time. The 7900XT seems to get 100 fps walking around New Babbage maxed out 1440P but I have not played much recently so not sure about other areas. Was going to start playing again soon. 4K would be el-primo but to get the same fps in most games you need to add around $1100 difference to the system going from 1440P to 4k just to maintain the same general fps. That would be basically going from decent 1440p GPU's like 4070ti/7900XT class to an RTX 4090 ($800 more) and adding another $300 for the equivalent quality and refreshrate monitor in 4k. Personally I would go with 1440P based ultrawide. You can almost stick with the $800 GPU's in that case and save alot.
Was really hoping they'd start working on DLSS, and low and behold, some basic Global Illumination. Let's hope they add some reflective stuff and maybe in a few years time, path tracing.
I'm really skeptical we gonna see anything from those features in 2024. There was no gameplay demo only tech showcased. I would say after the next citcon there will be probs more details on those.
@@XxXnonameAsDXxX are you for real? Gameplay has nothing to do with the rendering pipeline. They showed what matters: rendering the game in real time with those features 🤣 so that's literally all that's needed. It is not like they just talked about it. What's likely to happen is tech preview builds to test compatibility with gpus, optimization and improvement. All perfectly feasible in 2024. In the next citizen con I would expect to see their next leap forward. They indicated that would be likely frame generation, but they cautioned that they first need to reach a consistent high performance level before frame gen is even useful. Tests on this channel shoehorning AMDs frame generation show the issues.
Thanks for this, good info. Everyone says dont build for SC. I get what people are saying, I really do, but my hanger is looking at me like I better not be deciding on "good enough" parts. Space dad wants what space dad wants.
In general its best to just set pc with newest/highest components. Im doing it every time and got to build new pc. That what i got now got around 6years now - this year i have to finally build new one.
@@MrAnimescrazy u mean actual? I just instal: 1. gigabyte x670 (gaming) 2. 2x16gb vegencance 6k mhz/cl30 (idk how to write it correctly XD) 3. r7 7800x3d 4. SSD M.2 990 samsung 2tb (gen 4th) 5. Be-quiet 1kW dark pro 13 atx 3.0 6. for now gtx1080 > in end of month i will instal RTX4080 gainward phantom 7. AIO artic luquid frezer II 360mm (i heard i could choose something better) 8. Case - Fractal torrent bc that case doesnt has basment - it got fans on bottom that can blow through GPU fans. (1st choose was bequiet dark base pro 901 but it got basment so its doesnt make sens if actually every GPU got cooling on bottom. 9. CPU frame for better cooling and thermal paste kyronaut - thermal grizzly
I just upgraded from 12700k DDR4 3000 to 14900K DDR5 6000 CL30. With my 4080, the performance increase is incredible. I still have to turn off the e-cores with Project Lasso in order to get stuttering under control.
I chose to get some more life out of my 9900K platform and upgraded my GTX 1080 to an RTX 4080, along with a proper case that'll fit the darned thing and a new PSU to keep it happy. Also bit the bullet on a proper 64GB DDR4 kit since RAM prices are fairly reasonable atm and for those wondering: my system uses between 30 and 36GB of RAM with the game running and Discord on a second screen. Also upgraded my screens from 2560x1080 and a full-HD secondary to 3440x1440 and a 4K secondary in an attempt to lift some of the heavy lifting off' the 'ol 9900K. The whole dual stick setup i will take a look at at a later time. Done with investing in my system for the rest of the year ^^
This is good info to know especially for those of us who still have our beastly 9900k and are wondering what the cost/benefit ratio of an upgrade might be vs a new platform. I'm curious what model of ram did you go with and what fps do you regularly get in sc?
I don't know about 6900 and above but I have 6800 XT and it runs the game extremely poorly I just uninstalled the game. It was unplayable at 1080p lowest settings.
@@eckee how long did you play the game for? Also high settings run better than low settings, for some reason. I’m getting “playable” fps on my 6650xt at 1080p
I feel like pedals should also be mentioned in a dual stick set up. I run 2 16k's with a Logi g27 giving me pedals, and all the extra buttons from the shifter, a very understated configuration. Thank you for the excellent update of gear worthy of SC.
thanks so much for this video i am on the market soon to build a new pc my pc is 6 years old generation 6 i5 and Radeon 570 rx so i been scrambling my head on what to build that is not going too crazy thinking in a few years i may have to upgrade but for now i removed SC it was pointless but had enough fun to know a bit about the game. Thanks for your help once again.
I have a LG TV OLED C3 55" @70cm far away. This paired with the tobii eye tracker 5. With this much screen estate I can turn my head and see everything so easy and it feels way more like a SIM then I would have with a ultra wide or just a small screen.
@@tenpoundfortytwo Yes, this monitor was actually the reason why I bought the Tobii. Both together work so damn well and the immersion is soooo awesome. Unfortunately, my 6800 XT doesn't manage a constant 60FPS in 4k. The card just about scrapes 60fps but where it counts it manages it. 7900 XTX board partner card or 4080 also board partner, difficult decision : D The minimal price difference today is around 310€
I think it's still a little early to build if you are really looking for something to get the best SC experience with. Ray tracing will likely change a lot, and that will likely require next gen hardware. That said, if you don't care about RT building a system now is probably a good point. Also, sounds from CitizenCon that they will try to offload CPU work to GPU, so workload might shift a bit. As another piece of gear, I can recommend the StreamDeck XL. Great for those extra buttons for comms, landings, lights, etc :).
@@EliasWindrider I think next Gen will be a major change when RT becomes mature. Even 4090 struggles in some scenarios. Next Gen is released later than usual, and it's rumored to be a huge leap in performance and power efficiency. But then again, I have thought that RT would be mature for both precious generations. But now, when we got full path traced games becoming more popular, I think it will grow.
Your channel is one of the best. Your videos was one of my source or information. So I ended up with a 7950x3d coz I use many programs while playing star citizen and a 7800x3d would collapse 4090strix oc , Asus ROG crosshair x670e extreme, 64gb ram 6000 cas30 gskill neo Hosas with dual constellation alpha primes and a full desk mounts tobii eye tracker 5, now I am just waiting for the Odyssey g9 57inch monitor to come and the old g9 will be on top serving as a monitor to have armoury crate open as well as discord, filmora, process lasso, opera GX, razer synapse and other stuff. Do you have anything more to suggest that I could buy to make my experience better? I would appreciate it highly!
After 10 +years finaly got a pc in 2022 and I'm now playing this game. I have no problem running it, however I have a High end pc. 12900k 3080ti 64gb 3600 ram 1tb nvm + 2tb nvm 1200w PSU.
Thanks for the video man. I always enjoy watching them. I personally have a 5800x3d and a 3080. I will just hang on to this till the 8800x3d and the 5080 come out and see what kind of performance gains are available. If we are still CPU capped I might just update the CPU and keep the 3080 for another year.
For joysticks i cannot recommend anything other than the VKB gladiators or the virpil ones Now if the T16000M was upgrade to have hall effect twist then it would be a different story Only way i can recommend the T16000M is if the person is confident enough to cut off the POT sensors and solder on and hot glue down a hall effect sensor and do the required step of adding and subtracting magnets to calibrate them so the calibration software shows green when the grip is together I used the SS49E myself to do it after someone else said they got them to work, it was a pain in the but as you need the end of the magnets your glueing down to be really far away from the side of the grip and even solder on the hall sensor to that side so you can calibrate it for bot sides by bending the sensor further or closer to the side of the grip Havent tried SS495A but they should be far easier to calibrate magnet placement side of things but cannot confirm that Use N52 magnets only otherwise you will have issies
It's wort pointing out that, for those more interested in the less space-combat oriented activities of SC (cargo hauling, mining/salvaging, on foot combat, etc.), HOTAS or even just mouse and keyboard might be more usefull then HOSAS. And for those than want to go full space-topgun HOMAS (mouse in dominant hand, stick in the other) is worth a try. Also, for its price, the T-16000 is actually a really good deal: If you are not yet fully committed and are still experimenting with your setup it might be a great choice (also because it's fully reversable from right to left hand with the parts in the kit).
I still cant understand how people can play with a mouse... Is there some binding im missing where you can use your mouses side button to recenter the pip or something? Cus my entire issue with using a mouse is that it floats all over the place causing overshooting and undershooting as your trying to center the stupid pip There is also the delay of getting pip to center then past center causing sluggish delay For me it goes joysticks > controller > dont play PU unless not flying
@@commanderoof4578 star citizen, elite dangerous and similar arcade-ish space dogfight games are better with KB & Mouse tbh. You bind your settings as if you're playing an FPS game instead of flying a spaceship.
@@eckee nope i cannot even believe you just said that If you said stick and mouse i would have said your dumb but keyboard and mouse your insane as you only have 0 or 100 input with a keyboard Not to mention aiming is far far far harder with a mouse in space games when using FIXED weapons the only way to play Mouse full to the left and it takes 2 seconds to ramp upto turn speed then you need to go fill right and now it takes 4 seconds to slowdown going right and then speedup going right vs instant with a joystick You can even measure it throwing the mouse to 1 side and letting the ship spin twice the second spin is faster On the other hand with a joystick both spins will be the same speed give or take a few ms to actually move the joystick for the first turn And relative mode requires the worlds largest desk to use and swapping in and out is a pain Its insane to me to even believe people can play and win PVP with a mouse but it does happen but more often than not the joystick user wins vs mouse user
@@commanderoof4578 well at the end of the day, use whatever you like. but to answer to the things you mentioned: throttle only 0 or 100: Yes, you don't need the throttle in the middle because you'd be maneuvering at limits anyway. If you're applying minor thrusts, you're not pushing your ship to the limits and you're being slow. aiming harder on mouse: that's just not true. if that was the case people would be playing FPS games with joysticks. Mouse has pinpoint accuracy. That's why it's superior for fixed guns. you can adjust relative mouse speed. joystick user win over mouse or vice versa: depends on the player skill. but all the high skilled people I've known for years use mouse.
@@eckee second paragraph just no, you can adjust your upwards strafe for example to widen or tighten your spiral to avoid getting hit aa much, flat impossible on a keyboard Paragraph 3 also no in space games aiming with a mouse is always inferior to a joystick if your enemy isn't just flying in a plane boring fashion Against mouse users you can spiral in an oscillating distance from center and getting hit is very unlikely because with a mouse the turn acceleration deceleration causes all ships to be unable to keepup unless your enemy switches to relative mode and then you just break away and they are forced to switch back Look anyone that says mouse is better for space games has typically 99.9% of the time never actually done PVP vs a competent player In elite for example i find it impossible to use the fighters because they are actually too sensitive for a mouse but down right everything else in elite and star citizen is too sluggish to use a mouse even the chieftain and arrow from elite and star citizen respectively I struggle to do HRT's with mouse and stick and demolish ERT's with dual joystick so its not like i have no idea what I'm talking about hell i can do ERT's with a god damn controller better than HRT's with a stick and mouse... i cant even do HRT with keyboard and mouse
I bought a 7800x3d during black friday for a new build. Curious what the minimum GPU you would recommend to not be wasting the power of the CPU at 1080p and 1440p (so neither the CPU is bottle-necking the GPU, nor the GPU bottle-necking the CPU). Based on this video it seems like (on the nVidia side) the 4060ti would be a good match for the 7800x3d at 1080p, and the 4070 would be a good match at 1440p. Does that seem correct?
Another way of phrasing my question: if I am going with an RTX 4070 and playing at 1440p, will I notice any difference at all in Star Citizen between a Ryzen 5 7600(non-x) and a 7800x3d?
Just put together a new one before seeing his recommended here. Asus B650E-F. I don't need all the fancy features for OC'ing, but this one still allows it. AMD 7800 X3D. Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE air cooler. Temps run at 55-60C. Fans on auto run at 1000-1200 RPM and I don't hear them. Playing SC at 4k on very high settings. 64 gigs Corsair Vengence 6000mhz CL 30. Note: 7800 X3D does not like 4 sticks of ram when using EXPO. Do your homework. NVME WD 850N Black. Asus RTX 4070 Dual OC Few other addons Total cost about $1500 plus taxes.
I've played on a SATA SSD for most of Star Citizen's life and I only recently switched to a Gen 3 NVME and I can tell you I noticed way less stutter ingame. Sure the average framerate might not be impacted but the stutters were there
thank you for this very helpful video and for the advice your are giving. looking forward to your future videos. keep up the good work and have a good day.
After pledging a very long time ago I just started playing SC a year ago. Ever since I have been obsessed with it and fail to let anything else be part of my sparetime anymore. Because of this HW questions have been racking up in my mind. I was very grateful to find you channel just recently ! I would love to start building a SC rig next year in the high end section. Because of that knowing how an I9 of the newest gen would fare in all of this would be just great.
i just recently upgraded to the 5800x3d (from a 3800x) the performance boost is nice maybe the better options would have been to just jump to the AM5 socket. I will say the 5800x3d does run the game at a playable fps and if you get a high refresh rate screen (around 165hz) the game feels like it runs at a higher fps
@@tenpoundfortytwo Both good cards, but if I was only playing Star Citizen, right now, I would go AMD, as AFMF is a killer feature. Hopefully we will see DLSS 3 Frame Generation implemented in the near future, and FSR 3 as well, once AMD decides to release the SDK. I'm happy to see that you went over DLSS and FSR 2 coming in the future, and 1080p being a disservice. With those next-gen upscalers in the game, I think 1440p should be the minimum, as 1440p with DLSS Quality both looks better and runs better than 1080p native, and every new GPU released this generation will handle that with ease. And 1440p 144Hz monitors have become very affordable in the last few years, so no reason to go 1080p now (unless one already has a 1080p monitor).
Great video and good tips. I'm still playing on my 9-ish year old X99 platform with a 6th-gen I7-6850K and 32GB RAM. I've upgraded my GPU to a 3080 but I am dreadfully CPU-limited in busy areas. I play at 1440P and it's actually been great with all the latest AAA titles. Only exception is Star Citizen. I know server performance is the biggest limiter at the moment, but large draw-call areas are pulling the frames down to the low 30's. I think I've squeezed every last bit of value out of my rig and I think I will donate it at some point when I build new end of this year. (I'm keeping my GPU but might throw in the 2080Ti I upgraded from) There's something to be said about keeping electronics and computers for a very long time. It's difficult to resist getting the latest and greatest every year but it's not necessary. Any rig you build today (considering you didn't do a strictly-budget build) will last well into the SQ42 release cycle. Just keep in mind the tips given in the video and get the best CPU/GPU/Ram combo you can afford now, as it really does go a long way towards remaining relevant years down the road.
Number 1 you don't Need a Perfect Pc Build to Run Star Citizen , if you have 5800x3d and 6800xt anything Mid Spec will be able to Run Star Citizen at 60 Fps in 2024 , we are in a point now that even with Mid Spec systems it will feel like your at a higher end with star Citizen 3 reasons why this will be the Case , Dx 12 and Volkan api and Fsr2 and in the near ish future fsr 3 . i can see in 2024 alot of those systems will be put into Star Citizen . now yes with Star Citizen its a nice to have where you have like all new 3d Cpus but is it needed not so much . but with that in mind 2024 and beyond will allow Mid Range Pcs and some Lower end Pcs to run so much smoother ,
In my testing the 5800x3d can't hit 60 fps in the cities, but I would completely agree- it's very usable and still a great cpu! But I'm not sure I would recommend people building a am4 machine from scratch at this stage.
@@tenpoundfortytwo AFMF will help a lot in the cities. Even if the said PC only manages 50 fps, with AFMF, that will be around 70-100 fps presented to the monitor. The drawback is that AFMF and Free Sync are not compatible at the moment.
@@cpt.tombstone Regardless of using AMD or Nividia, frame generation suffers noticably when the standard frame rate is below 60fps. Many hardware reviewers have found this.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt I haven't used AFMF since I'm on an Nvidia GPU, but I'd say it's not as simple as that. Visually, DLSS 3.5's frame generation is stable up to around 30 ms frame times (~28-30 fps) (version number is important here, as most of the videos you are referring to tested version 1.0.1 and 1.0.2, which was ~17 updates ago). Obviously, AFMF will not be as good, as it's lacking motion vector data, but it's not like we don't see a LOT of artifacts from the game already (TAA ghosting for example). Latency is another story, and it's heavily game dependent. Most games with DLSS 3.x support don't exactly have low input latency to begin with. Star Citizen is not among the quicker games in this regard. However, apart from FPS missions, the game is not exactly fast-paced. Still, a number of people have been playing the game with AFMF, and feedback is generally positive.
After using afmf not sure I like the system yes the number go up in fps by alot but in my experience with other games the hit on response time make it feel terrible in my opinion fsr and dlss is were I drae the line right now
One question i,m able to get the i9 14900k or the 7800x3d with mother same motherboard model just socket change for around $180 usd differences in price for the intel being more i have the ram already thats 64gb ddr 5. $180 usd more. im going to get a 4090 coming from a 2080ti and a i9 9900k. please let me know what you think and what chat thinks o7 bud see you in the verse.
Bought this game years ago, but never really played it as the FPS was always so low. Just upgraded to a Ryzen 9 5800X and RX 6850 XT, so looking forward to (hopefully) trying it! 8)
Just cost really, the 13700kf was significantly cheaper! I've heard that the extra clock speed and I think extra cache does make the 13900k faster. It's a great option for SC. For the next gen I might have to spend the extra money to test the top cpu's from Intel- you're not the only person to ask!
That's encouraging. I've had no chance to play at all in the past 2 years and mys latest PC is now 2 years old....wanted a 5000 series CPU but 2 years ago completely unobtainable, so had to go with the 3900X, but on a x570 Asus Tuf mobo with the hope I'll be able to get a 5950 for cheap in a year's time? . FINALLY got a the Tuf 3060Ti last year (it replaced my GTX970 SSC) and same as you I have 32GB RAM (CL14) so maybe I'm okay for the next 2 years.
@tenpoundfortytwo man that's good to hear coming from yourself 🙏 its been doing me very well coming from an rx5500xt/3600x combo as my original build. Cheers homii
@simonwaugh5519 very similar to my original build, 5500xt/3600x combo. Upgraded about a month ago now and this "budget" build as I look at it, is serving me very well considering SC performance history 😅
Would be good to see these high end PC builds tested on high end resolutions, 5120x1440 at least. Why buy 5k+ pc's and then run it on a puny 27inch monitor.
I've used both Tobii eye tracker and TrackIR. Track IR seemed a little more responsive but ultimately I stuck with tobii because I don't wear headphones and wearing a hat with the reflective device is annoying. Tobii was just set it and forget it, and it works just fine.
For those of you who opted for the 7600X CPU to leave more budget for GPU on the AMD 5 platform for an upgrade path. The single core performance of the 7600X vs 7700X are almost identical. As is the average FPS in most games with less than a 3% lead for the 7700X at 1080p (2% at 1440p and 1% at 4K). So the 7600X will give you roughly the same FPS as the 7700X in this game.
@@ibrahimdouadji8532 yea, I've heard that too. DDR 5 RAM would be preferable. Otherwise 3600 CL 16 should work too. 32 gigs is preferable to 16. If not more. I've gotten reports of about a 5 fos gain with 32 gigs over 16
Nice build and reminds me of mine. I've always been an AMD fan myself, but with the 6900 I'm using the Adreneline software is buggy at times. Asrock x570 taichi Ryzen 9 5900 xt with liquid cooled triple fan Asus rog strix rx 6900 xt liquid cooled M.2 ssd 128 gig ddr4 3200 Love my setup, and although not top of the line, there is no need to really upgrade. The most I do with it anymore is watch TV and very occasionally play Star Citizen or Battletech. I don't really play games anymore and as considering giv8ng it to 9ne of my nephews. The case is nice too. It's a Corsair iCUE tempered glass one, I believe it's the 5000 series one, but honestly I would never get another one that is all tempered tinted glass... I shattered a panel on day one and had to order a replacement. Be very careful setting them anywhere lol.
Def agree on resolution! Play at 1440p with a 6600XT which can run a little low on fps but it looks much better than 1080p so worth it. Hoping to upgrade soonish though for a smoother experience, just not sure what to get. Intel seems to be winning the ray tracing battle rn but AMD is my go to.
Great video! Motherboards? 🤔 Bit of a nightmare to wade through the needs/not-needs like PCIe 5.0, voltage-stepping, and whether or not different motherboard products really 'bring out the best' in your components like the 7800x3D.
Yeah motherboards are a tricky one. I've had a couple of am5 ones (one very high end and one mid range), performance was pretty much the same. I'd check out the usual big youtube channels for motherboard advice (Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed etc).
I'm struggling. I want a new PC, now. If I buy a PC, it's to get the best possible performance for Squadron 42 (and other things). I have been waiting 11 damn years for this game. Seeing the subpar performance in their own demos has me worried. I know it will get optimized, but how much? I want to be confident in the performance and GPU prices are getting ridiculous, even for me. So I think I'll be waiting until 4.0 or a date for Squadron42. So maybe next year. I still have good performance except in cities. But I want great performance now, lol.
Yeah it's a really tricky one. Waiting a year is a pretty good shout for SQ42- there should be new cpu's and gpus. I suppose it depends on how much you play now!
I went from 32GB DDR4 3200 to 64GB DDR4 3600 this week and I noticed a *slight* improvement in the lows. Then I basically nuked my SSD page file and set it to 16MB - 1GB (down from like 32000MB - 64000MB) and I got a slight bump in frames after testing. Maybe like 5 fps on average. Then again, I usually run a lot of programs in the background. Does this sound right to you or is this placebo or some other tweak that I might of done to warrant this? It runs noticeably smoother with a slightly higher framerate. Not sure if it's just me though. What do you think? Great video as usual 42! o7 For reference, the rest of my specs are: 5900X with an overclock 4080 with an overclock NVME SSD 512GB
I hope that AMD FSR 3 will give the 7900XTX a bit more performance in 4k, for 60 frames. It's amazing that both cards are quite close to each other in 1440p, but despite the more RAM AMD often lags behind the 4080 in the minimum frames in UHD.
In my oppinion the perfect 1440P GPU is a 1060 with 6GB ram... Ok, maybe not. I have been running the game on my old I5-8400 with 16GB of ram and a 1060 6GB GPU. And it give me 30-35 FPS in bunker missions and a bit more shooting at things in open space... in 1080P with medium quality graphics. But I decided it was time to get a new PC and found a few good (local) black week deals and ordered a new PC and a new 1440p monitor from another company. The PC is on the way but the monitor arrived today. And I could not help myself so I plugged it in to my current PC, started the game, set the resolution to 1440p, HDR on... and it looks way way way better. Its seriously hard to compare how much better the 1440P looks. To my big surprise I was actually still getting 30-35 fps in bunkers and the same in space combat... (with some lag when things blow up... as Iam use to) But since the cpu have always been running at 100%, maybe it is not really a surprise that I can't se a huge difference in fps.
You did forget to mention fsr in sc on amd gpu's and afmf, yes afmf currently is not the best choice but it's being updated soon so you'l actually feel the generated frames.
I appreciate your videos, but I wish you could have focused more on Vulkan, it's current path in SC and likely positive impacts for performance on current-day systems running the game. If indeed Vulkan brings in efficiencies in performance, it may be a more relevant look in consideration regarding existing systems and the need for upgrade.
Yeah I did mention it but maybe underplayed it. I know a lot of people are hoping that it will bring big performance improvements- but I'm not sure. I think we'll have to wait and see how much it helps. I don't think it would drastically change any recommendations in this video
In all honesty, if you are building a pc BECAUSE of star citizen, you should definitely wait for sq42 release. It's always been "one year away" since its announcement. I think it's finally in sight, but it's still not worth buying a high-end pc solely for it. Good video very helpful.
You cover everything. Nice job. Just upgrading my pc from 9700k to 7800x3d and wanted to know if 32gb is enaf 4 star citizen. I have a 1440p monitor with gsync module. Waiting with the 3070 upgrade with all problems 4000 series has. Am waiting till CES 2024 to se what those super series offers with their updated 12v connector.
Used this video to help build my new rig and it is AWESOME! Thank You! (I liked and subbed) I Had a question, though, what are your recommendations for the best Star Citizen graphics settings for high-end PCs?
Glad it was helpful! Ultimately the best way to make the game look better is to play at a high resolution. The clouds are the only real thing that change performance right now- but for most people I would recommend sticking to medium. CIG have said they will provide more graphics options at some point- but that was a while ago!
It would be cool if you would make a pcpartpicker pc as a model SC pc system. I will wait to get a new pc in a couple years probably because star citizen is the only thing I cannot run smoothly. I can run tarkov for example just fine. Star citizen will still has a long way to go to be enjoyable as a game but I look forward to when I get to upgrade my pc to enjoy it.
Im running a i7 11700 and a 3070TI WITH 32 GB of ram clocked at 3400 a little over clock applied but the game runs pretty well now some servers are a little iffy sometimes but i rarely drop below 40 FPS in built up places
i think your cpu is to weak. i got a RX6700 nonXT (10GB) and the cheapest 32GB Ram with my Ryzen 5800X3D and i got 115fps inspace and 90fps in citys in 1440p. Your Graphics Card must be faster then mine, so only your CPU could explain your low fps.
Great video, thank you! Glad i just changed to the 7800x3d and sending back the 7600x. Gonna test if the 7800xt oced is as good as the 6950xt and then i keep one of them.
7800x3d platform is objectively the best money can buy today, GPU is secondary if you're in 1080 or 1440
Only for certain games. There are many PC specific titles, simulators in particular, that still really prefer the higher single core performance of intels.
I am so glad that you took in the accessoires for Star Citizen. Tobii Eye Tracker in particular is increasing the state of immersion so much that I cant see how this would not be on the shoppinglist of every Citizen whom engages in dogfights from time to time.
Yeah, it does sound awesome, but I'm holding off to check the VR support. The way they've implemented Star Citizen, with a huge focus on immersion, really suits VR.
It's not on my shopping list. It's overpriced with 279 Euros. For a 100 less I would consider buying one.
@@FlitwickGE agreed that luxury items could be cheaper. But on the other hand we have to pay 1000$ for a GPU to get some frames while the Tobii allows you to get an additional sense of your surroundings through the introduction of your eye movement in synergy with your mouse movement. I have to say for me it's well in range price wise to be considered.
It's better to buy a better GPU/CPU for that price tbh. It might only make sense if you already have the highest end computer.
@@FlitwickGE
Tobii ET5 for 279? nahh
jpegs for 590 that will take years till you get it? yes please
Ultrawide is a must for star citizen for me. Started on a regular 16:9 but after getting a 32:9 the difference in immersion is night and day.
What do you have your fov set at and what not? I couldn’t get it to look right on mine so I’ve been just playing at 16:9
such an annoying spot for gpus, my 3080ti is not enough. 7900xtx/4080 not exactly good for much longer, not buying a 4090
Also no good low imput/oled ultrawide or decent HDR. Some decent high refresh rates but not super good. I'm fine with my lg 34gp but there's tons of room for improvement
UW is 🤢
@@Turican76buggin
@@echo5827 they just say that gpu is not so importand, i dont know wht you philosophing here
Very nice accessory section, I wasn't thinking about such things when clicking on the video, but they matter a lot for this game. GameGlass, the eye tracker and HOSAS are the way to go! Extra points for the eye tracker as it can be used is a lot of games (nearly all Ubisoft games, for example).
One of the absolutely best videos on Star Citizen PC's, result I followed all the recommendations and WOW amazing performance upgrade!
Glad it was helpful!
As soon as SQ42 hits the market I will upgrade my PC with all the needed accessories. It is really interesting to see what to focus on and to know that the GPU is not the bottleneck of the system. Didn't think about the Eye Tracker and those mounting systems for the joysticks.
Thank you so much for this video...Its all ive been searching for the past few weeks.. a "good pc build for star citizen" so this couldnt have come at a bettere time. Thanks again bro subbed
Thanks for subbing!
What is your budget for your build?
Voice attack is something I would recommend every commander in the verse also. It’s just so satisfying and effective. You can even choose an Ai voice to your liking.
What is voice attack and what do it do
@@danielschmidt1990 idk if you will see this but look into wingmanAI It uses chat GPT to take your voice and turn it into keybinds. such as (press button) "engines on" the app will run the keybind its set to for power and "wingman" will give you a response. Truly a game changer and can free up a good amount of binds. although I would also run a MIC mute so your buddies dont hear you talking to yourself
I recently got an i7-14700K upgrade to my "old" i7-10700K to pair with my 3090 GPU, I got a DDR4 motherboard so that I could reuse my 64GB RAM. The performance improvement by just swapping the CPU was huge. The 14th gen CPU cost $10 more than the 13th gen, but I got 4 more cores, a 200MHz increase in turbo boost clock, and 3MB more "SmartCache". I also develop software and the extra cores help reduce SW build times, so the extra $10 to go 14th gen was a no-brainer. The DDR4 probably holds it back 5% compared to average DDR5 modules, but that probably translates to 2-3 FPS drop in SC, which varies much more than that anyway as you move around.
My 7800x3d runs this game very well. I get FPS drops in cities or on some planets with storms but everyone does.
And it runs relatively cool and efficiently.
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy 7800x3d, RTX 4090, and 64 GB RAM (DDR 5 6000 CL30) I have the game on 990 Samsung Pro drive.
The 7800x3d will eventually be replaced when AMD comes out with a better CPU, and I don't consider the 7950x3d better, not for gaming anyway.
SC is not optimized so cities and some places like Aberdeen with clouds enabled mess with the FPS.
I am playing SC on a four year old build consisting of a Ryzen 7 3700x, 16GB 3200mhz Ram, and a 1660ti. I run smoothly everywhere but cities for the most part. I plan on upgrading this year though.
What are your future specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy I’m still a month or so out and there is a lot of configurations I could put together. I guess I won’t really know until I sit and start part picking.
@@Bloodlit what is your budget?
@@MrAnimescrazy 1500-2000$. Give or take
@@Bloodlit is the build going to be all white or all black? An amd or nvidia gpu? An amd or intel cpu? You can get a good build for 2,000 dollars.
For joysticks I tried out the T16000M but quickly found out I needed a lot more buttons. If you can I would go right to VKB or Virpil sticks. I currently have two Virpil Alpha sticks and are Extremely happy with them. They are smooth and precise and have so many buttons and hats on them it’s crazy. If you are going with a high end build then don’t skimp on the sticks.
The company that makes the sticks have other models with more functionalities.
Yeah... I would say that VKB Gladiators are the starters for Star Citizen. Anything less is garbage. Gladiators are well worth the money. However, Gunfighters are not IMO. If one is going to spend VKB Gunfighter money, you are doing yourself a disservice by not just getting Virpil sticks. Once you've used Virpil, you understand. It's like going from 1080p (VKB Gladiators) to 4k (Virpil Constellation Alphas or better).
This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you for researching this! I made the right decision subbing to your channel!
Man, what a great video. Top notch quality and awesome research. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for the encouragement!
Love the video. I upgraded to the 7800X3D CPU a few months ago. Went with 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30. Should be good for some time. The 7900XT seems to get 100 fps walking around New Babbage maxed out 1440P but I have not played much recently so not sure about other areas. Was going to start playing again soon. 4K would be el-primo but to get the same fps in most games you need to add around $1100 difference to the system going from 1440P to 4k just to maintain the same general fps. That would be basically going from decent 1440p GPU's like 4070ti/7900XT class to an RTX 4090 ($800 more) and adding another $300 for the equivalent quality and refreshrate monitor in 4k. Personally I would go with 1440P based ultrawide. You can almost stick with the $800 GPU's in that case and save alot.
It will also do 100FPS at Orison with little to no dips/
I did a 7800x3d and 6700xt with 32gb of ram and it runs great
for me too with RX6700 nonXT (10GB) and Ryzen 5800X3D
Very excited for my new build after seeing this. 7950x3d and 7900xtx feels like ill be perfectly set
Yep should be good for a long while!
Imagine getting the best card and cpu available and still needing a video to validate your purchase...f*cking r*tard.
Which is what i thought like 8 years ago with sli gtx 670s and a 3930k. the cards were then marketed as the solution to run SC at high fps roflmao
why are you going with a 7950x3d over a 7800x3d?
@@nathanforrester5140coz it is better if you know how to set it up
Not to mention it can probably play any game on the planet if you do build a hi end PC now for SC and SQ42
A very good point!
2024 should be interesting: vulkan, DLSS support, and hopefully the start of their ray-tracing efforts. In particular on the GPU side...
Was really hoping they'd start working on DLSS, and low and behold, some basic Global Illumination. Let's hope they add some reflective stuff and maybe in a few years time, path tracing.
I'm really skeptical we gonna see anything from those features in 2024. There was no gameplay demo only tech showcased. I would say after the next citcon there will be probs more details on those.
@@XxXnonameAsDXxX are you for real? Gameplay has nothing to do with the rendering pipeline. They showed what matters: rendering the game in real time with those features 🤣 so that's literally all that's needed. It is not like they just talked about it. What's likely to happen is tech preview builds to test compatibility with gpus, optimization and improvement. All perfectly feasible in 2024. In the next citizen con I would expect to see their next leap forward. They indicated that would be likely frame generation, but they cautioned that they first need to reach a consistent high performance level before frame gen is even useful. Tests on this channel shoehorning AMDs frame generation show the issues.
Thanks for this, good info. Everyone says dont build for SC. I get what people are saying, I really do, but my hanger is looking at me like I better not be deciding on "good enough" parts. Space dad wants what space dad wants.
What are your specs?
Your info is concise and to the point which is very much appreciated!! Lots to think about. lol
Great video, all the info I am interested in, no BS style! Thank you so much!
In general its best to just set pc with newest/highest components. Im doing it every time and got to build new pc. That what i got now got around 6years now - this year i have to finally build new one.
What are your future specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy u mean actual? I just instal:
1. gigabyte x670 (gaming)
2. 2x16gb vegencance 6k mhz/cl30 (idk how to write it correctly XD)
3. r7 7800x3d
4. SSD M.2 990 samsung 2tb (gen 4th)
5. Be-quiet 1kW dark pro 13 atx 3.0
6. for now gtx1080 > in end of month i will instal RTX4080 gainward phantom
7. AIO artic luquid frezer II 360mm (i heard i could choose something better)
8. Case - Fractal torrent bc that case doesnt has basment - it got fans on bottom that can blow through GPU fans. (1st choose was bequiet dark base pro 901 but it got basment so its doesnt make sens if actually every GPU got cooling on bottom.
9. CPU frame for better cooling and thermal paste kyronaut - thermal grizzly
I have 14900k and a 4090 and that combo is amazing. I came from a 3080 and a 5950x combo and I nothing but trouble.
That is a big upgrade.
I just upgraded from 12700k DDR4 3000 to 14900K DDR5 6000 CL30. With my 4080, the performance increase is incredible. I still have to turn off the e-cores with Project Lasso in order to get stuttering under control.
How do you do that?
thank you so much for this video. Building a new pc soon and this answered so many freakin SC questions I can't even tell you!!1! Thank you..!
Happy to help!
I'm glad I went to your video, now you made it easier for me to choose a graphic. Thank you
I chose to get some more life out of my 9900K platform and upgraded my GTX 1080 to an RTX 4080, along with a proper case that'll fit the darned thing and a new PSU to keep it happy. Also bit the bullet on a proper 64GB DDR4 kit since RAM prices are fairly reasonable atm and for those wondering: my system uses between 30 and 36GB of RAM with the game running and Discord on a second screen. Also upgraded my screens from 2560x1080 and a full-HD secondary to 3440x1440 and a 4K secondary in an attempt to lift some of the heavy lifting off' the 'ol 9900K. The whole dual stick setup i will take a look at at a later time. Done with investing in my system for the rest of the year ^^
This is good info to know especially for those of us who still have our beastly 9900k and are wondering what the cost/benefit ratio of an upgrade might be vs a new platform. I'm curious what model of ram did you go with and what fps do you regularly get in sc?
Upgrading from 16gb of ram to 32gb was the cheapest biggest improvement i made.. Literally monumental..
agreed 100% it was like playing totally different pc
Perfect timing, it's about that time for me to build a new PC with primary game of Star Citizen :) Thank you!
If you're going for more expensive GPUs, always remember used 6900xt and 7900xt cards can be gotten for as little as $500 and $600 respectively
I don't know about 6900 and above but I have 6800 XT and it runs the game extremely poorly I just uninstalled the game. It was unplayable at 1080p lowest settings.
@@eckee how long did you play the game for? Also high settings run better than low settings, for some reason. I’m getting “playable” fps on my 6650xt at 1080p
@@obj_obj not much. I played the tutorial. Woke up, took the train to the landing zone, took off, went to the orbital station and landed there.
@@eckeethe game is compiling shaders for like 30 minutes after you first launch it and that tanks the performance until it's done
@@obj_obj ok I'll try again thanks. I haven't noticed any progress bar on the screen btw.
This video couldn’t have come out at a better time for me lol thank you!
Happy to help!
I feel like pedals should also be mentioned in a dual stick set up. I run 2 16k's with a Logi g27 giving me pedals, and all the extra buttons from the shifter, a very understated configuration. Thank you for the excellent update of gear worthy of SC.
Yeah I'd like to check out pedals as some point!
thanks so much for this video i am on the market soon to build a new pc my pc is 6 years old generation 6 i5 and Radeon 570 rx so i been scrambling my head on what to build that is not going too crazy thinking in a few years i may have to upgrade but for now i removed SC it was pointless but had enough fun to know a bit about the game.
Thanks for your help once again.
What are your future specs?
Saving this video for my next build thank you
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy I just finished my build not long ago. Amd 7800X3D, with 4070ti
@@TheValkian that is a nice build.
If you keep making videos like this, I'll keep watching them
just built a 7800x3d RTX 4090 96GB DDR5 cant wait for SQ42 ray traced in 4k
Damn that is a very high end build that will last a very long time.
I have a LG TV OLED C3 55" @70cm far away. This paired with the tobii eye tracker 5. With this much screen estate I can turn my head and see everything so easy and it feels way more like a SIM then I would have with a ultra wide or just a small screen.
Jealous! I bet that looks stunning!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Yes, this monitor was actually the reason why I bought the Tobii. Both together work so damn well and the immersion is soooo awesome.
Unfortunately, my 6800 XT doesn't manage a constant 60FPS in 4k. The card just about scrapes 60fps but where it counts it manages it.
7900 XTX board partner card or 4080 also board partner, difficult decision : D
The minimal price difference today is around 310€
@@Vanadiumdid you pick the 7900xtx or the 4080 or are you going to wait for the new 4000 series cards next year?
I think it's still a little early to build if you are really looking for something to get the best SC experience with. Ray tracing will likely change a lot, and that will likely require next gen hardware. That said, if you don't care about RT building a system now is probably a good point. Also, sounds from CitizenCon that they will try to offload CPU work to GPU, so workload might shift a bit.
As another piece of gear, I can recommend the StreamDeck XL. Great for those extra buttons for comms, landings, lights, etc :).
Videos from other TH-cam channels (not sc related say that the 4090 is a RT beast, but I wouldn't shell out for it)
@@EliasWindrider I think next Gen will be a major change when RT becomes mature. Even 4090 struggles in some scenarios. Next Gen is released later than usual, and it's rumored to be a huge leap in performance and power efficiency.
But then again, I have thought that RT would be mature for both precious generations. But now, when we got full path traced games becoming more popular, I think it will grow.
@@SquarelyGames as long as a gpu that's good at Ray tracing costs more than $1K (heck more than $500) it's going to be out of reach for most gamers.
Don't wait for SC, just build if you enjoy doing it, you might wait forever
Thanks for this. Very informative. I especially appreciated the info on nvme vs ssd drive performance.
Your channel is one of the best.
Your videos was one of my source or information. So I ended up with a 7950x3d coz I use many programs while playing star citizen and a 7800x3d would collapse
4090strix oc , Asus ROG crosshair x670e extreme, 64gb ram 6000 cas30 gskill neo
Hosas with dual constellation alpha primes and a full desk mounts tobii eye tracker 5, now I am just waiting for the Odyssey g9 57inch monitor to come and the old g9 will be on top serving as a monitor to have armoury crate open as well as discord, filmora, process lasso, opera GX, razer synapse and other stuff.
Do you have anything more to suggest that I could buy to make my experience better? I would appreciate it highly!
Glad the channel is helpful!
I think you have everything covered, that's a great setup!
That is a crazy set up.
Thank you. Thinking of a 7900x3d with 7900GRE... but only at the start of next year.
Very good Setup
After 10 +years finaly got a pc in 2022 and I'm now playing this game. I have no problem running it, however I have a High end pc.
12900k
3080ti
64gb 3600 ram
1tb nvm + 2tb nvm
1200w PSU.
Very nice system!
Fps?
Thanks for the video man. I always enjoy watching them. I personally have a 5800x3d and a 3080. I will just hang on to this till the 8800x3d and the 5080 come out and see what kind of performance gains are available. If we are still CPU capped I might just update the CPU and keep the 3080 for another year.
Still a great system for the foreseeable future!
@@tenpoundfortytwo yes I agree
For joysticks i cannot recommend anything other than the VKB gladiators or the virpil ones
Now if the T16000M was upgrade to have hall effect twist then it would be a different story
Only way i can recommend the T16000M is if the person is confident enough to cut off the POT sensors and solder on and hot glue down a hall effect sensor and do the required step of adding and subtracting magnets to calibrate them so the calibration software shows green when the grip is together
I used the SS49E myself to do it after someone else said they got them to work, it was a pain in the but as you need the end of the magnets your glueing down to be really far away from the side of the grip and even solder on the hall sensor to that side so you can calibrate it for bot sides by bending the sensor further or closer to the side of the grip
Havent tried SS495A but they should be far easier to calibrate magnet placement side of things but cannot confirm that
Use N52 magnets only otherwise you will have issies
This video is very well put together, thx!
It's wort pointing out that, for those more interested in the less space-combat oriented activities of SC (cargo hauling, mining/salvaging, on foot combat, etc.), HOTAS or even just mouse and keyboard might be more usefull then HOSAS.
And for those than want to go full space-topgun HOMAS (mouse in dominant hand, stick in the other) is worth a try.
Also, for its price, the T-16000 is actually a really good deal: If you are not yet fully committed and are still experimenting with your setup it might be a great choice (also because it's fully reversable from right to left hand with the parts in the kit).
I still cant understand how people can play with a mouse...
Is there some binding im missing where you can use your mouses side button to recenter the pip or something?
Cus my entire issue with using a mouse is that it floats all over the place causing overshooting and undershooting as your trying to center the stupid pip
There is also the delay of getting pip to center then past center causing sluggish delay
For me it goes joysticks > controller > dont play PU unless not flying
@@commanderoof4578 star citizen, elite dangerous and similar arcade-ish space dogfight games are better with KB & Mouse tbh. You bind your settings as if you're playing an FPS game instead of flying a spaceship.
@@eckee nope i cannot even believe you just said that
If you said stick and mouse i would have said your dumb but keyboard and mouse your insane as you only have 0 or 100 input with a keyboard
Not to mention aiming is far far far harder with a mouse in space games when using FIXED weapons the only way to play
Mouse full to the left and it takes 2 seconds to ramp upto turn speed then you need to go fill right and now it takes 4 seconds to slowdown going right and then speedup going right vs instant with a joystick
You can even measure it throwing the mouse to 1 side and letting the ship spin twice the second spin is faster
On the other hand with a joystick both spins will be the same speed give or take a few ms to actually move the joystick for the first turn
And relative mode requires the worlds largest desk to use and swapping in and out is a pain
Its insane to me to even believe people can play and win PVP with a mouse but it does happen but more often than not the joystick user wins vs mouse user
@@commanderoof4578 well at the end of the day, use whatever you like. but to answer to the things you mentioned:
throttle only 0 or 100: Yes, you don't need the throttle in the middle because you'd be maneuvering at limits anyway. If you're applying minor thrusts, you're not pushing your ship to the limits and you're being slow.
aiming harder on mouse: that's just not true. if that was the case people would be playing FPS games with joysticks. Mouse has pinpoint accuracy. That's why it's superior for fixed guns.
you can adjust relative mouse speed.
joystick user win over mouse or vice versa: depends on the player skill. but all the high skilled people I've known for years use mouse.
@@eckee second paragraph just no, you can adjust your upwards strafe for example to widen or tighten your spiral to avoid getting hit aa much, flat impossible on a keyboard
Paragraph 3 also no in space games aiming with a mouse is always inferior to a joystick if your enemy isn't just flying in a plane boring fashion
Against mouse users you can spiral in an oscillating distance from center and getting hit is very unlikely
because with a mouse the turn acceleration deceleration causes all ships to be unable to keepup unless your enemy switches to relative mode and then you just break away and they are forced to switch back
Look anyone that says mouse is better for space games has typically 99.9% of the time never actually done PVP vs a competent player
In elite for example i find it impossible to use the fighters because they are actually too sensitive for a mouse but down right everything else in elite and star citizen is too sluggish to use a mouse even the chieftain and arrow from elite and star citizen respectively
I struggle to do HRT's with mouse and stick and demolish ERT's with dual joystick so its not like i have no idea what I'm talking about hell i can do ERT's with a god damn controller better than HRT's with a stick and mouse... i cant even do HRT with keyboard and mouse
I bought a 7800x3d during black friday for a new build. Curious what the minimum GPU you would recommend to not be wasting the power of the CPU at 1080p and 1440p (so neither the CPU is bottle-necking the GPU, nor the GPU bottle-necking the CPU). Based on this video it seems like (on the nVidia side) the 4060ti would be a good match for the 7800x3d at 1080p, and the 4070 would be a good match at 1440p. Does that seem correct?
Another way of phrasing my question: if I am going with an RTX 4070 and playing at 1440p, will I notice any difference at all in Star Citizen between a Ryzen 5 7600(non-x) and a 7800x3d?
@@unboundmethodlook at comparison videos on youtube with your specs to see which cpu is better?
finally it's the time to start saving for the star citizen pc :D
What are your future specs?
Just put together a new one before seeing his recommended here.
Asus B650E-F. I don't need all the fancy features for OC'ing, but this one still allows it.
AMD 7800 X3D. Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE air cooler. Temps run at 55-60C. Fans on auto run at 1000-1200 RPM and I don't hear them.
Playing SC at 4k on very high settings.
64 gigs Corsair Vengence 6000mhz CL 30. Note: 7800 X3D does not like 4 sticks of ram when using EXPO. Do your homework.
NVME WD 850N Black.
Asus RTX 4070 Dual OC
Few other addons
Total cost about $1500 plus taxes.
@@festersmith8352 a nice build.
with i3-12100 i'm getting pretty playable 50 fps in new babbage, and 100+ anywhere in space
The new i3's are really impressive!
It should be noted that they’re working on integrating the Vulkan API, and DLSS (so you could benefit very much in the future from a high end GPU)
Really appreciate this video! Thanks for the research.
I've played on a SATA SSD for most of Star Citizen's life and I only recently switched to a Gen 3 NVME and I can tell you I noticed way less stutter ingame. Sure the average framerate might not be impacted but the stutters were there
Interesting! Was it a decent sata ssd?
I don't remember exactly, I think it was a Samsung SATA EVO 850 or 840 so idk if there is a huge difference with the last 870 Evo.
CIG Should pay you for putting out these. Their own System Requirements chart is completely incorrect.
thank you for this very helpful video and for the advice your are giving. looking forward to your future videos. keep up the good work and have a good day.
Glad the video was helpful! Thanks for the kind words!
Good Review, But I would recommed a fast nvme drive for all that future streaming tech.
Yeah maybe a good call! But it's not too much of an extra cost to add to a build at a later date!
After pledging a very long time ago I just started playing SC a year ago. Ever since I have been obsessed with it and fail to let anything else be part of my sparetime anymore. Because of this HW questions have been racking up in my mind. I was very grateful to find you channel just recently ! I would love to start building a SC rig next year in the high end section. Because of that knowing how an I9 of the newest gen would fare in all of this would be just great.
A well made, informative video as always! Thanks tenpound
My pleasure!
i just recently upgraded to the 5800x3d (from a 3800x) the performance boost is nice maybe the better options would have been to just jump to the AM5 socket. I will say the 5800x3d does run the game at a playable fps and if you get a high refresh rate screen (around 165hz) the game feels like it runs at a higher fps
I think you did the right thing! The 5800x3d is still a great option, if you've already got the am4 motherboard etc, I think it makes the most sense.
Nice Video buddy! Keep up the good work!
Before watching the video, I'd wager: 7800X3D w/ DDR5-6000 and the 7900 XTX (due to AFMF working so well with Star Citizen) ?
Pretty much! I'd take either the 7900xtx or 4080 for 4k around 60fps!
@@tenpoundfortytwo Both good cards, but if I was only playing Star Citizen, right now, I would go AMD, as AFMF is a killer feature. Hopefully we will see DLSS 3 Frame Generation implemented in the near future, and FSR 3 as well, once AMD decides to release the SDK. I'm happy to see that you went over DLSS and FSR 2 coming in the future, and 1080p being a disservice. With those next-gen upscalers in the game, I think 1440p should be the minimum, as 1440p with DLSS Quality both looks better and runs better than 1080p native, and every new GPU released this generation will handle that with ease. And 1440p 144Hz monitors have become very affordable in the last few years, so no reason to go 1080p now (unless one already has a 1080p monitor).
Great video and good tips. I'm still playing on my 9-ish year old X99 platform with a 6th-gen I7-6850K and 32GB RAM. I've upgraded my GPU to a 3080 but I am dreadfully CPU-limited in busy areas. I play at 1440P and it's actually been great with all the latest AAA titles. Only exception is Star Citizen. I know server performance is the biggest limiter at the moment, but large draw-call areas are pulling the frames down to the low 30's. I think I've squeezed every last bit of value out of my rig and I think I will donate it at some point when I build new end of this year. (I'm keeping my GPU but might throw in the 2080Ti I upgraded from) There's something to be said about keeping electronics and computers for a very long time. It's difficult to resist getting the latest and greatest every year but it's not necessary. Any rig you build today (considering you didn't do a strictly-budget build) will last well into the SQ42 release cycle. Just keep in mind the tips given in the video and get the best CPU/GPU/Ram combo you can afford now, as it really does go a long way towards remaining relevant years down the road.
Number 1 you don't Need a Perfect Pc Build to Run Star Citizen , if you have 5800x3d and 6800xt anything Mid Spec will be able to Run Star Citizen at 60 Fps in 2024 , we are in a point now that even with Mid Spec systems it will feel like your at a higher end with star Citizen 3 reasons why this will be the Case , Dx 12 and Volkan api and Fsr2 and in the near ish future fsr 3 . i can see in 2024 alot of those systems will be put into Star Citizen . now yes with Star Citizen its a nice to have where you have like all new 3d Cpus but is it needed not so much . but with that in mind 2024 and beyond will allow Mid Range Pcs and some Lower end Pcs to run so much smoother ,
In my testing the 5800x3d can't hit 60 fps in the cities, but I would completely agree- it's very usable and still a great cpu! But I'm not sure I would recommend people building a am4 machine from scratch at this stage.
@@tenpoundfortytwo AFMF will help a lot in the cities. Even if the said PC only manages 50 fps, with AFMF, that will be around 70-100 fps presented to the monitor. The drawback is that AFMF and Free Sync are not compatible at the moment.
@@cpt.tombstone Regardless of using AMD or Nividia, frame generation suffers noticably when the standard frame rate is below 60fps. Many hardware reviewers have found this.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt I haven't used AFMF since I'm on an Nvidia GPU, but I'd say it's not as simple as that. Visually, DLSS 3.5's frame generation is stable up to around 30 ms frame times (~28-30 fps) (version number is important here, as most of the videos you are referring to tested version 1.0.1 and 1.0.2, which was ~17 updates ago). Obviously, AFMF will not be as good, as it's lacking motion vector data, but it's not like we don't see a LOT of artifacts from the game already (TAA ghosting for example).
Latency is another story, and it's heavily game dependent. Most games with DLSS 3.x support don't exactly have low input latency to begin with. Star Citizen is not among the quicker games in this regard. However, apart from FPS missions, the game is not exactly fast-paced. Still, a number of people have been playing the game with AFMF, and feedback is generally positive.
After using afmf not sure I like the system yes the number go up in fps by alot but in my experience with other games the hit on response time make it feel terrible in my opinion fsr and dlss is were I drae the line right now
Got a 7900x3d for $275 and a 6950xt for $550 I’ll post SC results when build is done after Black Friday parts arrive
Let us know how it performs!
Bro, I'm listening
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His pc exploded trying to run SC
One question i,m able to get the i9 14900k or the 7800x3d with mother same motherboard model just socket change for around $180 usd differences in price for the intel being more i have the ram already thats 64gb ddr 5. $180 usd more. im going to get a 4090 coming from a 2080ti and a i9 9900k. please let me know what you think and what chat thinks o7 bud see you in the verse.
I'd personally go for the 7800X3d- you will be able to drop in a 8800X3D and maybe even 9800X3D when they release in the future.
@@tenpoundfortytwoThank you, would u say the 7950x3d is worth 350 bucks more over the 7800x3d.
@@cisco150no but it all depends on what you do. Do you only game or do you game abd do productivity?
Awesome video man!!
Appreciate it!
Extremely well done. Thank you🫡
Your information is invaluable, as usual. Appreciate you taking the time to test and share. Cheers!
Glad it was helpful!
Bought this game years ago, but never really played it as the FPS was always so low.
Just upgraded to a Ryzen 9 5800X and RX 6850 XT, so looking forward to (hopefully) trying it! 8)
@Tenpoundfortytwo, is there a reason that you didn't do testing using the 13900k? Just curious as someone who uses one for SC. Thanks! Great work!
Just cost really, the 13700kf was significantly cheaper! I've heard that the extra clock speed and I think extra cache does make the 13900k faster. It's a great option for SC. For the next gen I might have to spend the extra money to test the top cpu's from Intel- you're not the only person to ask!
Poor gamer here but solidly running SC on my 5600x3d, 3060ti and 32g ddr4 ram. Great video
That's a very nice system for SC!
That's encouraging. I've had no chance to play at all in the past 2 years and mys latest PC is now 2 years old....wanted a 5000 series CPU but 2 years ago completely unobtainable, so had to go with the 3900X, but on a x570 Asus Tuf mobo with the hope I'll be able to get a 5950 for cheap in a year's time? . FINALLY got a the Tuf 3060Ti last year (it replaced my GTX970 SSC) and same as you I have 32GB RAM (CL14) so maybe I'm okay for the next 2 years.
@tenpoundfortytwo man that's good to hear coming from yourself 🙏 its been doing me very well coming from an rx5500xt/3600x combo as my original build. Cheers homii
@simonwaugh5519 very similar to my original build, 5500xt/3600x combo. Upgraded about a month ago now and this "budget" build as I look at it, is serving me very well considering SC performance history 😅
Regarding cameras and phones, it's worth pointing out that phones often have MUCH better cameras than webcams do.
Another great vid, thanks again for all the hard work!
Thanks!
Would be good to see these high end PC builds tested on high end resolutions, 5120x1440 at least. Why buy 5k+ pc's and then run it on a puny 27inch monitor.
Ryzen 9 7950X3D
RTX4090
48Gb@7200Mhz
990 Pro
LG 45” OLED 240Hz 0.03ms HDR10
VIRPIL dual stick Alpha Prime config
3440x1440 constant around 95 FPS 👍
A very high end build.
I remember buying a 2080ti so I could play Star Citizen. Now I'll need a 50' series.
nah. i got a RX6700 nonXT (10GB) and i got 115fps inspace and 90fps in citys in 1440p.
I've used both Tobii eye tracker and TrackIR. Track IR seemed a little more responsive but ultimately I stuck with tobii because I don't wear headphones and wearing a hat with the reflective device is annoying. Tobii was just set it and forget it, and it works just fine.
For those of you who opted for the 7600X CPU to leave more budget for GPU on the AMD 5 platform for an upgrade path. The single core performance of the 7600X vs 7700X are almost identical. As is the average FPS in most games with less than a 3% lead for the 7700X at 1080p (2% at 1440p and 1% at 4K). So the 7600X will give you roughly the same FPS as the 7700X in this game.
I've heard that the ram is important too
@@ibrahimdouadji8532 yea, I've heard that too. DDR 5 RAM would be preferable. Otherwise 3600 CL 16 should work too. 32 gigs is preferable to 16. If not more. I've gotten reports of about a 5 fos gain with 32 gigs over 16
@@americasace thanks 👌
I’m rocking a 5800x3d, 3080ti, m.2 and 64gb ram. It runs “ok” most of the time but the server still lags
Nice Video, thx for the advice!
No problem!
Nice build and reminds me of mine. I've always been an AMD fan myself, but with the 6900 I'm using the Adreneline software is buggy at times.
Asrock x570 taichi
Ryzen 9 5900 xt with liquid cooled triple fan
Asus rog strix rx 6900 xt liquid cooled
M.2 ssd
128 gig ddr4 3200
Love my setup, and although not top of the line, there is no need to really upgrade. The most I do with it anymore is watch TV and very occasionally play Star Citizen or Battletech. I don't really play games anymore and as considering giv8ng it to 9ne of my nephews.
The case is nice too. It's a Corsair iCUE tempered glass one, I believe it's the 5000 series one, but honestly I would never get another one that is all tempered tinted glass... I shattered a panel on day one and had to order a replacement. Be very careful setting them anywhere lol.
Very Cool Setup, you can be Proud =)
Def agree on resolution! Play at 1440p with a 6600XT which can run a little low on fps but it looks much better than 1080p so worth it. Hoping to upgrade soonish though for a smoother experience, just not sure what to get. Intel seems to be winning the ray tracing battle rn but AMD is my go to.
What is your next gpu?
@@MrAnimescrazy I went 7800XT, about 30% cheaper than 4070 where I live. Running around 60fps @1440 on high settings.
Thanks man exactly what im looking for nice. 🖥
Perfect timing before Black Friday. I might just look into buying a new computer soon.
Great video! Motherboards? 🤔 Bit of a nightmare to wade through the needs/not-needs like PCIe 5.0, voltage-stepping, and whether or not different motherboard products really 'bring out the best' in your components like the 7800x3D.
Yeah motherboards are a tricky one. I've had a couple of am5 ones (one very high end and one mid range), performance was pretty much the same. I'd check out the usual big youtube channels for motherboard advice (Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed etc).
I'm struggling. I want a new PC, now. If I buy a PC, it's to get the best possible performance for Squadron 42 (and other things). I have been waiting 11 damn years for this game. Seeing the subpar performance in their own demos has me worried. I know it will get optimized, but how much? I want to be confident in the performance and GPU prices are getting ridiculous, even for me. So I think I'll be waiting until 4.0 or a date for Squadron42. So maybe next year. I still have good performance except in cities. But I want great performance now, lol.
Yeah it's a really tricky one. Waiting a year is a pretty good shout for SQ42- there should be new cpu's and gpus. I suppose it depends on how much you play now!
What is your budget for your new build.
I'm on a 5950x right now. But I'm optimistic for a 8900x3d or similar cpu. Will hopefully give a great performance boost.
it will, but what graphics card you use ? and go with 64GB then. and a 2TB M2 SSD.
@DevouringKing I have a 4090, and I'd be upgrading to ddr5 when I get a new cpu anyways.
I went from 32GB DDR4 3200 to 64GB DDR4 3600 this week and I noticed a *slight* improvement in the lows. Then I basically nuked my SSD page file and set it to 16MB - 1GB (down from like 32000MB - 64000MB) and I got a slight bump in frames after testing. Maybe like 5 fps on average. Then again, I usually run a lot of programs in the background. Does this sound right to you or is this placebo or some other tweak that I might of done to warrant this? It runs noticeably smoother with a slightly higher framerate. Not sure if it's just me though. What do you think? Great video as usual 42! o7
For reference, the rest of my specs are:
5900X with an overclock
4080 with an overclock
NVME SSD 512GB
i think it is worth it. sc eats ram.
I hope that AMD FSR 3 will give the 7900XTX a bit more performance in 4k, for 60 frames. It's amazing that both cards are quite close to each other in 1440p, but despite the more RAM AMD often lags behind the 4080 in the minimum frames in UHD.
In my oppinion the perfect 1440P GPU is a 1060 with 6GB ram...
Ok, maybe not.
I have been running the game on my old I5-8400 with 16GB of ram and a 1060 6GB GPU.
And it give me 30-35 FPS in bunker missions and a bit more shooting at things in open space... in 1080P with medium quality graphics.
But I decided it was time to get a new PC and found a few good (local) black week deals and ordered a new PC and a new 1440p monitor from another company.
The PC is on the way but the monitor arrived today. And I could not help myself so I plugged it in to my current PC, started the game, set the resolution to 1440p, HDR on... and it looks way way way better.
Its seriously hard to compare how much better the 1440P looks.
To my big surprise I was actually still getting 30-35 fps in bunkers and the same in space combat... (with some lag when things blow up... as Iam use to)
But since the cpu have always been running at 100%, maybe it is not really a surprise that I can't se a huge difference in fps.
Thanks so much man awesome video
No problem!
You did forget to mention fsr in sc on amd gpu's and afmf, yes afmf currently is not the best choice but it's being updated soon so you'l actually feel the generated frames.
I appreciate your videos, but I wish you could have focused more on Vulkan, it's current path in SC and likely positive impacts for performance on current-day systems running the game.
If indeed Vulkan brings in efficiencies in performance, it may be a more relevant look in consideration regarding existing systems and the need for upgrade.
Yeah I did mention it but maybe underplayed it. I know a lot of people are hoping that it will bring big performance improvements- but I'm not sure. I think we'll have to wait and see how much it helps. I don't think it would drastically change any recommendations in this video
In all honesty, if you are building a pc BECAUSE of star citizen, you should definitely wait for sq42 release. It's always been "one year away" since its announcement. I think it's finally in sight, but it's still not worth buying a high-end pc solely for it. Good video very helpful.
You cover everything. Nice job. Just upgrading my pc from 9700k to 7800x3d and wanted to know if 32gb is enaf 4 star citizen. I have a 1440p monitor with gsync module. Waiting with the 3070 upgrade with all problems 4000 series has. Am waiting till CES 2024 to se what those super series offers with their updated 12v connector.
Thanks! For most people 32gb is enough, but if you've got lots of other things going on in the background, 64gb might be worth it.
Used this video to help build my new rig and it is AWESOME! Thank You! (I liked and subbed) I Had a question, though, what are your recommendations for the best Star Citizen graphics settings for high-end PCs?
Glad it was helpful! Ultimately the best way to make the game look better is to play at a high resolution. The clouds are the only real thing that change performance right now- but for most people I would recommend sticking to medium. CIG have said they will provide more graphics options at some point- but that was a while ago!
It would be cool if you would make a pcpartpicker pc as a model SC pc system. I will wait to get a new pc in a couple years probably because star citizen is the only thing I cannot run smoothly. I can run tarkov for example just fine. Star citizen will still has a long way to go to be enjoyable as a game but I look forward to when I get to upgrade my pc to enjoy it.
Im running a i7 11700 and a 3070TI WITH 32 GB of ram clocked at 3400 a little over clock applied but the game runs pretty well now some servers are a little iffy sometimes but i rarely drop below 40 FPS in built up places
i think your cpu is to weak. i got a RX6700 nonXT (10GB) and the cheapest 32GB Ram with my Ryzen 5800X3D and i got 115fps inspace and 90fps in citys in 1440p. Your Graphics Card must be faster then mine, so only your CPU could explain your low fps.
Great video, thank you! Glad i just changed to the 7800x3d and sending back the 7600x. Gonna test if the 7800xt oced is as good as the 6950xt and then i keep one of them.
So the 5800X3D is the best AM5 cpu for SC?
5800X3D is AM4- but it's the best for that platform in SC.